From alex.ikhelis at gmail.com  Thu Oct  4 18:20:36 2012
From: alex.ikhelis at gmail.com (Aliaksandr Ikhelis)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 19:20:36 +0100
Subject: [Wtr-development] [wtr-general] Watir-Classic 3.2.0 Released!
In-Reply-To: <CABfBeArOts=CcTaSUQ8D=xe8+YK6B_zfKZDXk0X5x4JgbkWDgw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHZHd6Vu9cszzrg=CYfhV7avCNOGUeyQKbZZa7SYyx+nn_c-aQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABfBeArOts=CcTaSUQ8D=xe8+YK6B_zfKZDXk0X5x4JgbkWDgw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFjQWxMQQ1OSV=sEnF3t0=PjiC3sR-uYtuNT7YdvtRxq0_9wSQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jarmo,

Thanks for the great news and hard work on this!

We have faced an issue with SelectList Option #text() method, it returns an
empty string for all options which are not currently selected, because they
are... not visible. I am not sure whether it is per design because we are
unable to find an option by text and just asses the content of options in a
dropdown. It returns correct text value in watir-webdriver, where there is
no check for visibility. More details follow below.


Option class is located in input_elements.rb and its text is defined like
this:

*class Option < Element*

*?*

*    attr_ole :label*

*?*

* **    def text*

*      l = label*

*      l.empty? ? super : l rescue ''*

*    end*

*?*

*end*

Here - since label parameter is not used usually ? the super method will be
called, which works like this:

*# Return the innerText of the object or an empty string if the object is*

*# not visible*

*# Raise an ObjectNotFound exception if the object cannot be found*

*def text*

*  assert_exists*

*  visible? ? ole_object.innerText.strip : ""*

*end*

 If Options are not visible => an empty string will be returned in this
case.

We are thinking about a monkey-patch for Option#text like this in the
meantime:

*def text*

*  l = label*

*  l.empty? ? ole_object.innerText : l rescue ''*

*end*

Thank you,
Aliaksandr Ikhelis


On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 11:33 AM, ?eljko Filipin <zeljko at filipin.eu> wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:32 PM, Jarmo <jarmo.p at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I'm happy to announce that Watir-Classic 3.2.0 has been released!
>
> Thanks Jarmo!
>
> Everybody, feel free to share the news:
>
> http://watir.com/2012/09/20/watir-classic-3-2-0-released/
> https://twitter.com/watir/status/248730057814708224
> https://www.facebook.com/watirproject/posts/496151940395969
> https://plus.google.com/u/0/100602917593825281282/posts/dGuj49tqMfk
> http://www.linkedin.com/groups/I-m-happy-announce-that-88535.S.166152155
>
> ?eljko
> --
> filipin.eu
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wtr-development mailing list
> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
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From jarmo.p at gmail.com  Thu Oct  4 18:39:23 2012
From: jarmo.p at gmail.com (Jarmo)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 21:39:23 +0300
Subject: [Wtr-development] [wtr-general] Watir-Classic 3.2.0 Released!
In-Reply-To: <CAFjQWxMQQ1OSV=sEnF3t0=PjiC3sR-uYtuNT7YdvtRxq0_9wSQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHZHd6Vu9cszzrg=CYfhV7avCNOGUeyQKbZZa7SYyx+nn_c-aQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABfBeArOts=CcTaSUQ8D=xe8+YK6B_zfKZDXk0X5x4JgbkWDgw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFjQWxMQQ1OSV=sEnF3t0=PjiC3sR-uYtuNT7YdvtRxq0_9wSQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHZHd6UgPDWH2UXcoyYj_Dr-Zo5cZaC-v6AxUpTD5hiFGPJptQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Aliaksandr,

Yup, that seems to be like a bug "caused by" watir-webdriver logic of
returning an empty text for invisible elements and as you pointed out then
option is almost always an invisible element. Please open up an issue in
github at https://github.com/watir/watir-classic/issues

Thanks!

Jarmo

On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 9:20 PM, Aliaksandr Ikhelis
<alex.ikhelis at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi Jarmo,
>
> Thanks for the great news and hard work on this!
>
> We have faced an issue with SelectList Option #text() method, it returns
> an empty string for all options which are not currently selected, because
> they are... not visible. I am not sure whether it is per design because we
> are unable to find an option by text and just asses the content of options
> in a dropdown. It returns correct text value in watir-webdriver, where
> there is no check for visibility. More details follow below.
>
>
> Option class is located in input_elements.rb and its text is defined like
> this:
>
> *class Option < Element*
>
> *?*
>
> *    attr_ole :label*
>
> *?*
>
> * **    def text*
>
> *      l = label*
>
> *      l.empty? ? super : l rescue ''*
>
> *    end*
>
> *?*
>
> *end*
>
> Here - since label parameter is not used usually ? the super method will
> be called, which works like this:
>
> *# Return the innerText of the object or an empty string if the object is*
>
> *# not visible*
>
> *# Raise an ObjectNotFound exception if the object cannot be found*
>
> *def text*
>
> *  assert_exists*
>
> *  visible? ? ole_object.innerText.strip : ""*
>
> *end*
>
>  If Options are not visible => an empty string will be returned in this
> case.
>
> We are thinking about a monkey-patch for Option#text like this in the
> meantime:
>
> *def text*
>
> *  l = label*
>
> *  l.empty? ? ole_object.innerText : l rescue ''*
>
> *end*
>
> Thank you,
> Aliaksandr Ikhelis
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 11:33 AM, ?eljko Filipin <zeljko at filipin.eu>wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:32 PM, Jarmo <jarmo.p at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I'm happy to announce that Watir-Classic 3.2.0 has been released!
>>
>> Thanks Jarmo!
>>
>> Everybody, feel free to share the news:
>>
>> http://watir.com/2012/09/20/watir-classic-3-2-0-released/
>> https://twitter.com/watir/status/248730057814708224
>> https://www.facebook.com/watirproject/posts/496151940395969
>> https://plus.google.com/u/0/100602917593825281282/posts/dGuj49tqMfk
>> http://www.linkedin.com/groups/I-m-happy-announce-that-88535.S.166152155
>>
>> ?eljko
>> --
>> filipin.eu
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Wtr-development mailing list
>> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
>>
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From aikhelis at expedia.com  Thu Oct  4 18:50:45 2012
From: aikhelis at expedia.com (Aliaksandr Ikhelis)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 19:50:45 +0100
Subject: [Wtr-development] [wtr-general] Watir-Classic 3.2.0 Released!
In-Reply-To: <CAHZHd6UgPDWH2UXcoyYj_Dr-Zo5cZaC-v6AxUpTD5hiFGPJptQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CC93990A.20B6A%aikhelis@expedia.com>

Thanks, Jarmo,

Done https://github.com/watir/watir-classic/issues/43


Thank you,

Aleks

From: Jarmo <jarmo.p at gmail.com<mailto:jarmo.p at gmail.com>>
Date: Thursday, 4 October 2012 19:39
To: Aliaksandr Ikhelis <alex.ikhelis at gmail.com<mailto:alex.ikhelis at gmail.com>>
Cc: Watir development <wtr-development at rubyforge.org<mailto:wtr-development at rubyforge.org>>, "watir-general at googlegroups.com<mailto:watir-general at googlegroups.com>" <watir-general at googlegroups.com<mailto:watir-general at googlegroups.com>>, Cucumber Automation Check-in Approvals <cuke_la at expedia.com<mailto:cuke_la at expedia.com>>
Subject: Re: [Wtr-development] [wtr-general] Watir-Classic 3.2.0 Released!

Hi Aliaksandr,

Yup, that seems to be like a bug "caused by" watir-webdriver logic of returning an empty text for invisible elements and as you pointed out then option is almost always an invisible element. Please open up an issue in github at https://github.com/watir/watir-classic/issues

Thanks!

Jarmo

On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 9:20 PM, Aliaksandr Ikhelis <alex.ikhelis at gmail.com<mailto:alex.ikhelis at gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Jarmo,

Thanks for the great news and hard work on this!

We have faced an issue with SelectList Option #text() method, it returns an empty string for all options which are not currently selected, because they are... not visible. I am not sure whether it is per design because we are unable to find an option by text and just asses the content of options in a dropdown. It returns correct text value in watir-webdriver, where there is no check for visibility. More details follow below.



Option class is located in input_elements.rb and its text is defined like this:

class Option < Element

?

    attr_ole :label

?

     def text

      l = label

      l.empty? ? super : l rescue ''

    end

?

end

Here - since label parameter is not used usually ? the super method will be called, which works like this:

# Return the innerText of the object or an empty string if the object is

# not visible

# Raise an ObjectNotFound exception if the object cannot be found

def text

  assert_exists

  visible? ? ole_object.innerText.strip : ""

end

 If Options are not visible => an empty string will be returned in this case.

We are thinking about a monkey-patch for Option#text like this in the meantime:

def text

  l = label

  l.empty? ? ole_object.innerText : l rescue ''

end

Thank you,
Aliaksandr Ikhelis


On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 11:33 AM, ?eljko Filipin <zeljko at filipin.eu<mailto:zeljko at filipin.eu>> wrote:
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:32 PM, Jarmo <jarmo.p at gmail.com<mailto:jarmo.p at gmail.com>> wrote:
> I'm happy to announce that Watir-Classic 3.2.0 has been released!

Thanks Jarmo!

Everybody, feel free to share the news:

http://watir.com/2012/09/20/watir-classic-3-2-0-released/
https://twitter.com/watir/status/248730057814708224
https://www.facebook.com/watirproject/posts/496151940395969
https://plus.google.com/u/0/100602917593825281282/posts/dGuj49tqMfk
http://www.linkedin.com/groups/I-m-happy-announce-that-88535.S.166152155

?eljko
--
filipin.eu<http://filipin.eu>

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From enrique.j.matta at gmail.com  Thu Oct  4 19:10:05 2012
From: enrique.j.matta at gmail.com (enroxorz)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 12:10:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Wtr-development] Watir 4.0 Released!
In-Reply-To: <CAHZHd6VH+9xdNm7iXrCoTcnHxwQP=9Gi1s2yw7WbqZcgLcphqw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHZHd6VH+9xdNm7iXrCoTcnHxwQP=9Gi1s2yw7WbqZcgLcphqw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <029e6b08-3f9a-43ab-b89b-0ae7cec4e80a@googlegroups.com>

Hey Jarmo,

Is there a list of changes available for this release?

--Enrique

On Sunday, September 30, 2012 12:00:34 PM UTC-4, Jarmo Pertman wrote:
>
> Hello everyone!
>
> I'm happy to announce that Watir 4.0 has been released.
>  
> Install this gem with the following command:
>
> gem install watir
>
> Then in your test file:
>
> require "watir"
> browser = Watir::Browser.new
>
> Refer to the additional usage at the readme: 
> https://github.com/watir/watir/blob/master/README.md
>
> With Best Regards,
> Jarmo Pertman
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From zeljko.filipin at gmail.com  Thu Oct  4 20:18:18 2012
From: zeljko.filipin at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 22:18:18 +0200
Subject: [Wtr-development] RubyMine?
In-Reply-To: <CABfBeAqBiTxA7nUUzeSjh9=17Wn67HP8TBVqEV+SNbWXZZnCSA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFw8KcGytycoODqTCfz6evbmtuY73U9aatzUOFnDFjRFJ-xUew@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAHJU+E3cswxAdL_nCswTpLCoWD-T1ZaCh3ApQ+hw4Ld9ogP65A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABfBeArEnC1eG3UdgU+7KnY86=-MLAiez7waqB6YLrp5tXfHTQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABfBeAqBiTxA7nUUzeSjh9=17Wn67HP8TBVqEV+SNbWXZZnCSA@mail.gmail.com>
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In the spirit of transparency, I wanted to let you know that Bret
Pettichord is using the license.

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From jarmo.p at gmail.com  Thu Oct  4 20:23:10 2012
From: jarmo.p at gmail.com (Jarmo)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 23:23:10 +0300
Subject: [Wtr-development] Watir 4.0 Released!
In-Reply-To: <029e6b08-3f9a-43ab-b89b-0ae7cec4e80a@googlegroups.com>
References: <CAHZHd6VH+9xdNm7iXrCoTcnHxwQP=9Gi1s2yw7WbqZcgLcphqw@mail.gmail.com>
	<029e6b08-3f9a-43ab-b89b-0ae7cec4e80a@googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <CAHZHd6Um1R22L5WK_tQyzX5xUfgmM-dbrbo1G4HLA8EOdBQKag@mail.gmail.com>

Hi!

There's no changes file per se, but you can read its README at (
https://github.com/watir/watir/blob/master/README.md). It's functionality
is all new.

In short, difference between watir 4 when compared with previous versions
is that it is now a fully functional watir meta gem, which installs all
appropriate gem dependencies for you - on Windows watir-classic and
watir-webdriver, on unix platforms only the latter. In addition it allows
you to specify which driver to use loading the specified driver
automatically.

Do not confuse watir gem with watir-classic or watir-webdriver gem - it is
just a gem which ties them all together. Similar approach is used for
RSpec, where rspec gem is just a meta gem specifying all necessary
dependencies for RSpec to work.

Jarmo

On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:10 PM, enroxorz <enrique.j.matta at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey Jarmo,
>
> Is there a list of changes available for this release?
>
> --Enrique
>
>
> On Sunday, September 30, 2012 12:00:34 PM UTC-4, Jarmo Pertman wrote:
>>
>> Hello everyone!
>>
>> I'm happy to announce that Watir 4.0 has been released.
>>
>> Install this gem with the following command:
>>
>> gem install watir
>>
>> Then in your test file:
>>
>> require "watir"
>> browser = Watir::Browser.new
>>
>> Refer to the additional usage at the readme: https://github.com/**
>> watir/watir/blob/master/**README.md<https://github.com/watir/watir/blob/master/README.md>
>>
>> With Best Regards,
>> Jarmo Pertman
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wtr-development mailing list
> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
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From zeljko.filipin at gmail.com  Fri Oct  5 22:23:06 2012
From: zeljko.filipin at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 00:23:06 +0200
Subject: [Wtr-development] [wtr-general] Watir 4.0 Released!
In-Reply-To: <CAHZHd6VH+9xdNm7iXrCoTcnHxwQP=9Gi1s2yw7WbqZcgLcphqw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHZHd6VH+9xdNm7iXrCoTcnHxwQP=9Gi1s2yw7WbqZcgLcphqw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABfBeArvja=Rikki6J6hDgdXD_GH16WS1r_tTYJgOOkRSo1gTQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 5:59 PM, Jarmo <jarmo.p at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm happy to announce that Watir 4.0 has been released.

I have just updated wikipedia article :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watir

I will create the blog post next week.

?eljko
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From jarmo.p at gmail.com  Fri Oct  5 22:26:29 2012
From: jarmo.p at gmail.com (Jarmo)
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 01:26:29 +0300
Subject: [Wtr-development] [wtr-general] Watir 4.0 Released!
In-Reply-To: <CABfBeArvja=Rikki6J6hDgdXD_GH16WS1r_tTYJgOOkRSo1gTQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHZHd6VH+9xdNm7iXrCoTcnHxwQP=9Gi1s2yw7WbqZcgLcphqw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABfBeArvja=Rikki6J6hDgdXD_GH16WS1r_tTYJgOOkRSo1gTQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHZHd6U0i0L2W9OgcYWCuqLcKykUskAEdvovmyZaVcHX6YOGpg@mail.gmail.com>

Awesome :)

J.

On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 1:23 AM, ?eljko Filipin <zeljko.filipin at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 5:59 PM, Jarmo <jarmo.p at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I'm happy to announce that Watir 4.0 has been released.
>
> I have just updated wikipedia article :)
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watir
>
> I will create the blog post next week.
>
> ?eljko
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wtr-development mailing list
> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
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From notifications at github.com  Sat Oct  6 14:28:43 2012
From: notifications at github.com (=?utf-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 07:28:43 -0700
Subject: [Wtr-development] [watir-bazaar] testing e-mail notification (#1)
Message-ID: <watir/watir-bazaar/issues/1@github.com>

If this reaches wtr-development, then we are set up.

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Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub:
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From zeljko.filipin at gmail.com  Sat Oct  6 14:34:15 2012
From: zeljko.filipin at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 16:34:15 +0200
Subject: [Wtr-development] [watir-bazaar] testing e-mail notification
	(#1)
In-Reply-To: <watir/watir-bazaar/issues/1@github.com>
References: <watir/watir-bazaar/issues/1@github.com>
Message-ID: <CABfBeAofGzdtpnAKp52OL9Lw_zoNurmPkm2-+QSoUNNcZZEhbQ@mail.gmail.com>

I think I was the one to set up jira at openqa to send notifications to
this list. Since we no longer use jira for bug tracking (we use github now)
I have set up github to send notifications here.

This is a test ticket created for watir-bazaar project. If this reply
reaches github, then everything is done.

?eljko

On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 4:28 PM, ?eljko Filipin <notifications at github.com>wrote:

> If this reaches wtr-development, then we are set up.
>
> ?
> Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub<https://github.com/watir/watir-bazaar/issues/1>.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wtr-development mailing list
> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
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From notifications at github.com  Sat Oct  6 14:38:46 2012
From: notifications at github.com (=?utf-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 07:38:46 -0700
Subject: [Wtr-development] [watir-bazaar] testing e-mail notification
	(#1)
In-Reply-To: <watir/watir-bazaar/issues/1@github.com>
References: <watir/watir-bazaar/issues/1@github.com>
Message-ID: <watir/watir-bazaar/issues/1/9198721@github.com>

On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 4:34 PM, wtr-development <notifications at github.com>
wrote:
> If this reply reaches github, then everything is done.

Reached:

https://github.com/watir/watir-bazaar/issues/1

?eljko

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From zeljko.filipin at gmail.com  Sat Oct  6 14:45:59 2012
From: zeljko.filipin at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 16:45:59 +0200
Subject: [Wtr-development] [watir-bazaar] testing e-mail notification
	(#1)
In-Reply-To: <watir/watir-bazaar/issues/1/9198721@github.com>
References: <watir/watir-bazaar/issues/1@github.com>
	<watir/watir-bazaar/issues/1/9198721@github.com>
Message-ID: <CABfBeAqXjH1ZTb23ooUKxjLyvubfjvNbwUgtDWu9rM=+aCZ=ww@mail.gmail.com>

A quick test from gmail shows that if I reply to github notifications sent
to wtr-development list with "reply to all", then my reply shows at github
as created by wtr-development user. If I reply with "reply" then it shows
there as sent from me:

https://github.com/watir/watir-bazaar/issues/1

Keep that in mind.

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From enrique.j.matta at gmail.com  Mon Oct  8 12:41:35 2012
From: enrique.j.matta at gmail.com (enroxorz)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 05:41:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Wtr-development] Watir 4.0 Released!
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Thanks Jarmo. Good to know :)

On Thursday, October 4, 2012 4:23:45 PM UTC-4, Jarmo Pertman wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> There's no changes file per se, but you can read its README at (
> https://github.com/watir/watir/blob/master/README.md). It's functionality 
> is all new.
>
> In short, difference between watir 4 when compared with previous versions 
> is that it is now a fully functional watir meta gem, which installs all 
> appropriate gem dependencies for you - on Windows watir-classic and 
> watir-webdriver, on unix platforms only the latter. In addition it allows 
> you to specify which driver to use loading the specified driver 
> automatically.
>
> Do not confuse watir gem with watir-classic or watir-webdriver gem - it is 
> just a gem which ties them all together. Similar approach is used for 
> RSpec, where rspec gem is just a meta gem specifying all necessary 
> dependencies for RSpec to work.
>
> Jarmo
>
> On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:10 PM, enroxorz <enrique... at gmail.com<javascript:>
> > wrote:
>
>> Hey Jarmo,
>>
>> Is there a list of changes available for this release?
>>
>> --Enrique
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, September 30, 2012 12:00:34 PM UTC-4, Jarmo Pertman wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello everyone!
>>>
>>> I'm happy to announce that Watir 4.0 has been released.
>>>  
>>> Install this gem with the following command:
>>>
>>> gem install watir
>>>
>>> Then in your test file:
>>>
>>> require "watir"
>>> browser = Watir::Browser.new
>>>
>>> Refer to the additional usage at the readme: https://github.com/**
>>> watir/watir/blob/master/**README.md<https://github.com/watir/watir/blob/master/README.md>
>>>
>>> With Best Regards,
>>> Jarmo Pertman
>>>
>>
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From tryveg at gmail.com  Mon Oct  8 15:52:10 2012
From: tryveg at gmail.com (Champ)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 08:52:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Wtr-development] Watir-Classic 3.2.0 Released!
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For some reason the monkey patch specified did not work. However, instead 
of options, use options.map(&:text) and this works correctly.

Eg: $ie.select_list(:name, "group").options.map(&:text). Same applies to 
selected_options too.

-Champ
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From zeljko.filipin at gmail.com  Tue Oct  9 09:54:08 2012
From: zeljko.filipin at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 11:54:08 +0200
Subject: [Wtr-development] How SQLite Is Tested
Message-ID: <CABfBeAqa4Mm2ghmgCqfVOF6WKu2bbN7rwUgrVdjkZWSmqz0P+Q@mail.gmail.com>

I have just read this:

http://www.sqlite.org/testing.html

It is probably published a few years ago, but it was new to me.

I would like to quote the summary:

"SQLite is open source. This gives many people the idea that it is not well
tested as commercial software and is perhaps unreliable. But that
impression is false. SQLite has exhibited very high reliability in the
field and a very low defect rate, especially considering how rapidly it is
evolving. The quality of SQLite is achieved in part by careful code design
and implementation. But extensive testing also plays a vital role in
maintaining and improving the quality of SQLite. This document has
summarized the testing procedures that every release of SQLite undergoes
with the hopes of inspiring the reader to understand that SQLite is
suitable for use in mission-critical applications."

I think it would be great if Watir would have such article on watir.com.

Jari, Jarmo: do the two of you have the time and the will to create
something similar? Anybody else, if the two of them are not interested? It
does not have to go into a lot of detail, maybe just covering the basics
for start.

?eljko
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From jari.bakken at gmail.com  Wed Oct 10 13:45:57 2012
From: jari.bakken at gmail.com (Jari Bakken)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 15:45:57 +0200
Subject: [Wtr-development] How SQLite Is Tested
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On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 11:54 AM, ?eljko Filipin <zeljko.filipin at gmail.com>wrote:

>
> Jari, Jarmo: do the two of you have the time and the will to create
> something similar? Anybody else, if the two of them are not interested? It
> does not have to go into a lot of detail, maybe just covering the basics
> for start.
>
>
This isn't something I'd be able to take on at the moment, sorry.
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From jarmo.p at gmail.com  Wed Oct 10 16:42:50 2012
From: jarmo.p at gmail.com (Jarmo)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 19:42:50 +0300
Subject: [Wtr-development] How SQLite Is Tested
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Me neither. As i understand you're trying to put together something in the
terms of "open source is even better than commercial testing tool"?

J.

On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Jari Bakken <jari.bakken at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 11:54 AM, ?eljko Filipin <zeljko.filipin at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>> Jari, Jarmo: do the two of you have the time and the will to create
>> something similar? Anybody else, if the two of them are not interested? It
>> does not have to go into a lot of detail, maybe just covering the basics
>> for start.
>>
>>
> This isn't something I'd be able to take on at the moment, sorry.
>
>
>
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From zeljko.filipin at gmail.com  Wed Oct 10 16:44:51 2012
From: zeljko.filipin at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 18:44:51 +0200
Subject: [Wtr-development] How SQLite Is Tested
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On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Jarmo <jarmo.p at gmail.com> wrote:
> As i understand you're trying to put together something in the terms of
"open source is even better than commercial testing tool"?

No. I just wanted to document how much effort Watir is putting in testing
the code. If it is better or worse than other tools I do not know.

?eljko
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From zeljko.filipin at gmail.com  Wed Oct 10 16:45:36 2012
From: zeljko.filipin at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 18:45:36 +0200
Subject: [Wtr-development] How SQLite Is Tested
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Since both Jari and Jarmo do not have the time at the moment, I will try to
write something when I find some time.

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From zeljko.filipin at gmail.com  Thu Oct 11 12:35:29 2012
From: zeljko.filipin at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 14:35:29 +0200
Subject: [Wtr-development] Adding page-object gem to watir project
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What do you think about adding page-object gem[1] to watir project?

I have used it in a few projects for clients and I can not imagine using
watir without page-object gem anymore.

I have talked with Jeff Morgan, gem creator, and he said: "i am interested".

If we vote "yes", nothing much would change. We would note somewhere on
watir.com that page-object gem is part of the project, and we would add the
gem to watir organization[2] at github. I think the license[3] is
compatible.

If we make it happen, I think that would be a step in the right direction.
I think the time has come, watir project should really have a page object
gem.

What do you think?

?eljko
--
[1] https://github.com/cheezy/page-object
[2] https://github.com/watir
[3] https://github.com/cheezy/page-object/blob/master/LICENSE
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From jarmo.p at gmail.com  Thu Oct 11 14:15:50 2012
From: jarmo.p at gmail.com (Jarmo)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 17:15:50 +0300
Subject: [Wtr-development] Adding page-object gem to watir project
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I have to admit that i haven't used Jeff's gem, but have looked at its
source code some time ago. One thing that scares me with his gem is that it
seems like a whole new and big framework built on top of watir/selenium
having a quite complex API (in my opinion) and codebase. On the other hand
i'm on the verge of releasing my own page-object gem, which i have been
using in my own projects. Its main goals are really simple API (really easy
learning curve) and supporting of all possible frameworks -
watir-webdriver, watir-classic, selenium, capybara, whatever. And the total
codebase is ~100 lines. That might sound that it has a lot of less
functionality and maybe you're right, but i tend to like systems which are
easier to understand.

I'm not trying to say that this means everyone should prefer one to another
and that complex systems are definitely less good, but i'm trying to say
that instead of declaring something as a de facto standard we should rather
give users a choice between multiple ones.

Having said that i have also "revise watir readme" in my todo list where i
would list all the relevant gems in its readme.

Jarmo

On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 3:35 PM, ?eljko Filipin <zeljko.filipin at gmail.com>wrote:

> What do you think about adding page-object gem[1] to watir project?
>
> I have used it in a few projects for clients and I can not imagine using
> watir without page-object gem anymore.
>
> I have talked with Jeff Morgan, gem creator, and he said: "i am interested
> ".
>
> If we vote "yes", nothing much would change. We would note somewhere on
> watir.com that page-object gem is part of the project, and we would add
> the gem to watir organization[2] at github. I think the license[3] is
> compatible.
>
> If we make it happen, I think that would be a step in the right direction.
> I think the time has come, watir project should really have a page object
> gem.
>
> What do you think?
>
> ?eljko
> --
> [1] https://github.com/cheezy/page-object
> [2] https://github.com/watir
> [3] https://github.com/cheezy/page-object/blob/master/LICENSE
>
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From jarmo.p at gmail.com  Thu Oct 11 14:39:12 2012
From: jarmo.p at gmail.com (Jarmo)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 17:39:12 +0300
Subject: [Wtr-development] Adding page-object gem to watir project
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One more thing. I don't find it appropriate of adding page-object under
watir organization in GitHub. Why? Because page-object is not
watir-specific gem, but it is watir and selenium specific. That's one of
the reasons i'm not planning to add my own page object gem under watir
organization either. I would vote for it only if Jeff would split that gem
up into 3 separate gems - page-object, page-object-selenium and
page-object-watir. page-object-watir could be located under watir
organization, because it is watir-specific. Any thoughts on that
distinction?

Just my two cents.

J.

On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 5:15 PM, Jarmo <jarmo.p at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have to admit that i haven't used Jeff's gem, but have looked at its
> source code some time ago. One thing that scares me with his gem is that it
> seems like a whole new and big framework built on top of watir/selenium
> having a quite complex API (in my opinion) and codebase. On the other hand
> i'm on the verge of releasing my own page-object gem, which i have been
> using in my own projects. Its main goals are really simple API (really easy
> learning curve) and supporting of all possible frameworks -
> watir-webdriver, watir-classic, selenium, capybara, whatever. And the total
> codebase is ~100 lines. That might sound that it has a lot of less
> functionality and maybe you're right, but i tend to like systems which are
> easier to understand.
>
> I'm not trying to say that this means everyone should prefer one to
> another and that complex systems are definitely less good, but i'm trying
> to say that instead of declaring something as a de facto standard we should
> rather give users a choice between multiple ones.
>
> Having said that i have also "revise watir readme" in my todo list where i
> would list all the relevant gems in its readme.
>
> Jarmo
>
> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 3:35 PM, ?eljko Filipin <zeljko.filipin at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> What do you think about adding page-object gem[1] to watir project?
>>
>> I have used it in a few projects for clients and I can not imagine using
>> watir without page-object gem anymore.
>>
>> I have talked with Jeff Morgan, gem creator, and he said: "i am
>> interested".
>>
>> If we vote "yes", nothing much would change. We would note somewhere on
>> watir.com that page-object gem is part of the project, and we would add
>> the gem to watir organization[2] at github. I think the license[3] is
>> compatible.
>>
>> If we make it happen, I think that would be a step in the right
>> direction. I think the time has come, watir project should really have a
>> page object gem.
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>> ?eljko
>> --
>> [1] https://github.com/cheezy/page-object
>> [2] https://github.com/watir
>> [3] https://github.com/cheezy/page-object/blob/master/LICENSE
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Wtr-development mailing list
>> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
>>
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From colinsdaddy at gmail.com  Thu Oct 11 18:48:40 2012
From: colinsdaddy at gmail.com (Hugh McGowan)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 13:48:40 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] Adding page-object gem to watir project
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I think picking a page-object gem to support is fine but it's not clear to
me that Jeff's gem is the right one.

For example, the one we use is different in some very basic ways. Ours is
agnostic to the implementation so we don't care what is driving the "page".
We use it for watir, selenium, editing XML files, calling WIN32OLE methods
for our own DLLs, etc. For us, it's just an abstraction for grouping
getters and setters and keeping the implementation separated from the usage
of that implementation.

Maybe this is a good topic to address in the Watir conference next year -
we can have a page-object smackdown!

Hugh



On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Jarmo <jarmo.p at gmail.com> wrote:

> One more thing. I don't find it appropriate of adding page-object under
> watir organization in GitHub. Why? Because page-object is not
> watir-specific gem, but it is watir and selenium specific. That's one of
> the reasons i'm not planning to add my own page object gem under watir
> organization either. I would vote for it only if Jeff would split that gem
> up into 3 separate gems - page-object, page-object-selenium and
> page-object-watir. page-object-watir could be located under watir
> organization, because it is watir-specific. Any thoughts on that
> distinction?
>
> Just my two cents.
>
> J.
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 5:15 PM, Jarmo <jarmo.p at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have to admit that i haven't used Jeff's gem, but have looked at its
>> source code some time ago. One thing that scares me with his gem is that it
>> seems like a whole new and big framework built on top of watir/selenium
>> having a quite complex API (in my opinion) and codebase. On the other hand
>> i'm on the verge of releasing my own page-object gem, which i have been
>> using in my own projects. Its main goals are really simple API (really easy
>> learning curve) and supporting of all possible frameworks -
>> watir-webdriver, watir-classic, selenium, capybara, whatever. And the total
>> codebase is ~100 lines. That might sound that it has a lot of less
>> functionality and maybe you're right, but i tend to like systems which are
>> easier to understand.
>>
>> I'm not trying to say that this means everyone should prefer one to
>> another and that complex systems are definitely less good, but i'm trying
>> to say that instead of declaring something as a de facto standard we should
>> rather give users a choice between multiple ones.
>>
>> Having said that i have also "revise watir readme" in my todo list where
>> i would list all the relevant gems in its readme.
>>
>> Jarmo
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 3:35 PM, ?eljko Filipin <zeljko.filipin at gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> What do you think about adding page-object gem[1] to watir project?
>>>
>>> I have used it in a few projects for clients and I can not imagine using
>>> watir without page-object gem anymore.
>>>
>>> I have talked with Jeff Morgan, gem creator, and he said: "i am
>>> interested".
>>>
>>> If we vote "yes", nothing much would change. We would note somewhere on
>>> watir.com that page-object gem is part of the project, and we would add
>>> the gem to watir organization[2] at github. I think the license[3] is
>>> compatible.
>>>
>>> If we make it happen, I think that would be a step in the right
>>> direction. I think the time has come, watir project should really have a
>>> page object gem.
>>>
>>> What do you think?
>>>
>>> ?eljko
>>> --
>>> [1] https://github.com/cheezy/page-object
>>> [2] https://github.com/watir
>>> [3] https://github.com/cheezy/page-object/blob/master/LICENSE
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From sqapro at gmail.com  Thu Oct 11 23:01:27 2012
From: sqapro at gmail.com (Charles S van der Linden)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 16:01:27 -0700
Subject: [Wtr-development] Adding page-object gem to watir project
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I'm in agreement here..  it might be better to include a few
references to various options.  We're largely rolling our own page
objects in the project I'm on right now, based off some stuff from the
Watirmelon blog.   For the same reason as others regarding the
pageobject gem being just a bit overkill..

This might be better handled via documentation rather than just
including another gem into the mix by default.

On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Hugh McGowan <colinsdaddy at gmail.com> wrote:
> I think picking a page-object gem to support is fine but it's not clear to
> me that Jeff's gem is the right one.
>
> For example, the one we use is different in some very basic ways. Ours is
> agnostic to the implementation so we don't care what is driving the "page".
> We use it for watir, selenium, editing XML files, calling WIN32OLE methods
> for our own DLLs, etc. For us, it's just an abstraction for grouping getters
> and setters and keeping the implementation separated from the usage of that
> implementation.
>
> Maybe this is a good topic to address in the Watir conference next year - we
> can have a page-object smackdown!
>
> Hugh
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Jarmo <jarmo.p at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> One more thing. I don't find it appropriate of adding page-object under
>> watir organization in GitHub. Why? Because page-object is not watir-specific
>> gem, but it is watir and selenium specific. That's one of the reasons i'm
>> not planning to add my own page object gem under watir organization either.
>> I would vote for it only if Jeff would split that gem up into 3 separate
>> gems - page-object, page-object-selenium and page-object-watir.
>> page-object-watir could be located under watir organization, because it is
>> watir-specific. Any thoughts on that distinction?
>>
>> Just my two cents.
>>
>> J.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 5:15 PM, Jarmo <jarmo.p at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have to admit that i haven't used Jeff's gem, but have looked at its
>>> source code some time ago. One thing that scares me with his gem is that it
>>> seems like a whole new and big framework built on top of watir/selenium
>>> having a quite complex API (in my opinion) and codebase. On the other hand
>>> i'm on the verge of releasing my own page-object gem, which i have been
>>> using in my own projects. Its main goals are really simple API (really easy
>>> learning curve) and supporting of all possible frameworks - watir-webdriver,
>>> watir-classic, selenium, capybara, whatever. And the total codebase is ~100
>>> lines. That might sound that it has a lot of less functionality and maybe
>>> you're right, but i tend to like systems which are easier to understand.
>>>
>>> I'm not trying to say that this means everyone should prefer one to
>>> another and that complex systems are definitely less good, but i'm trying to
>>> say that instead of declaring something as a de facto standard we should
>>> rather give users a choice between multiple ones.
>>>
>>> Having said that i have also "revise watir readme" in my todo list where
>>> i would list all the relevant gems in its readme.
>>>
>>> Jarmo
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 3:35 PM, ?eljko Filipin
>>> <zeljko.filipin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What do you think about adding page-object gem[1] to watir project?
>>>>
>>>> I have used it in a few projects for clients and I can not imagine using
>>>> watir without page-object gem anymore.
>>>>
>>>> I have talked with Jeff Morgan, gem creator, and he said: "i am
>>>> interested".
>>>>
>>>> If we vote "yes", nothing much would change. We would note somewhere on
>>>> watir.com that page-object gem is part of the project, and we would add the
>>>> gem to watir organization[2] at github. I think the license[3] is
>>>> compatible.
>>>>
>>>> If we make it happen, I think that would be a step in the right
>>>> direction. I think the time has come, watir project should really have a
>>>> page object gem.
>>>>
>>>> What do you think?
>>>>
>>>> ?eljko
>>>> --
>>>> [1] https://github.com/cheezy/page-object
>>>> [2] https://github.com/watir
>>>> [3] https://github.com/cheezy/page-object/blob/master/LICENSE
>>>>
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From zeljko.filipin at gmail.com  Fri Oct 12 08:15:36 2012
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On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Jarmo <jarmo.p at gmail.com> wrote:
> On the other hand i'm on the verge of releasing my own page-object gem,
which i have been using in my own projects. Its main goals are really
simple API (really easy learning curve) and supporting of all possible
frameworks - watir-webdriver, watir-classic, selenium, capybara, whatever.
And the total codebase is ~100 lines. That might sound that it has a lot of
less functionality and maybe you're right, but i tend to like systems which
are easier to understand.
> I'm not trying to say that this means everyone should prefer one to
another and that complex systems are definitely less good, but i'm trying
to say that instead of declaring something as a de facto standard we should
rather give users a choice between multiple ones.

I am open to adding more than one page object gem to watir project. If that
happens we should pick a default.

I think the time is come for watir project to become more that just browser
driver and offer the users a complete test automation solution. After all,
watir stands for "web app testing in ruby", not for "browser driver".

?eljko
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On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 4:39 PM, Jarmo <jarmo.p at gmail.com> wrote:
> One more thing. I don't find it appropriate of adding page-object under
watir organization in GitHub. Why? Because page-object is not
watir-specific gem, but it is watir and selenium specific. That's one of
the reasons i'm not planning to add my own page object gem under watir
organization either. I would vote for it only if Jeff would split that gem
up into 3 separate gems - page-object, page-object-selenium and
page-object-watir. page-object-watir could be located under watir
organization, because it is watir-specific. Any thoughts on that
distinction?

-1

I have read Jeff's book[1] and as far as I can see, page-object gem is
driver agnostic, like you said your gem would be. I think having a page
object gem in watir project would do more good than the confusion that it
works with another driver(s) would do harm.

?eljko
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On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 8:48 PM, Hugh McGowan <colinsdaddy at gmail.com> wrote:
> I think picking a page-object gem to support is fine but it's not clear
to me that Jeff's gem is the right one.

I know that at Blackbaud/Convio you use watirmark[1]. If there was
watirmark workshop this year at Austin maybe I would now be recommending
it. :)

> For example, the one we use is different in some very basic ways. Ours is
agnostic to the implementation so we don't care what is driving the "page".
We use it for watir, selenium, editing XML files, calling WIN32OLE methods
for our own DLLs, etc. For us, it's just an abstraction for grouping
getters and setters and keeping the implementation separated from the usage
of that implementation.

The only thing that I do not like about page-object gem is that it adds
it's own API on top of the driver.

Examples[2]:

browser.button(:id => 'an_id') # watir
button(:your_name, :id => 'an_id') # page-object
keyword :your_name {browser.button(:id => 'an_id')} #watirmark

I really prefer how watirmark does it. But maybe it could be added to
page-object gem.

> Maybe this is a good topic to address in the Watir conference next year -
we can have a page-object smackdown!

+1

I think this is the next big discussion that we need to have.

?eljko
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[2] https://github.com/cheezy/page-object/issues/102#issuecomment-6331222
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On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 1:01 AM, Charles S van der Linden <sqapro at gmail.com>
wrote:
> it might be better to include a few
> references to various options.

I am open to that. If that happens, we should "just" agree on defaults. We
should offer a bundle of tools to new users, and leave them the choice of
changing some of the options later.

> We're largely rolling our own page
> objects in the project I'm on right now, based off some stuff from the
> Watirmelon blog.

I think the time has come for the project to have a page object gem. The
time when everybody had to develop a browser driver and page object
implementation should be behind us.

> For the same reason as others regarding the
> pageobject gem being just a bit overkill..

For a while I had my own page object implementation. When I saw the
features of the page-object gem I have realized that I need most of them. I
do not think it is overkill, even for smaller projects.

I was a freelancer for the last year or so. I had smaller and bigger
projects. I have some experience with not using page object pattern in a
few projects, with using my own implementation in a few projects, and with
using page-object gem in a few projects. I think the fact that I converted
all projects to use page-object gem at the end speaks for itself.

> This might be better handled via documentation rather than just
> including another gem into the mix by default.

I am not saying that "gem install watir" should install page-object
gem. Although, I would vote for that. I do not see any harm in
automatically installing a page object gem when installing watir, when we
decide which gem are we going to support.

?eljko
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From zeljko.filipin at gmail.com  Fri Oct 12 10:35:13 2012
From: zeljko.filipin at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 12:35:13 +0200
Subject: [Wtr-development] Watir article on English Wikipedia
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I know a lot of you do not monitor watir-general, so am I forwarding this
here too.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: ?eljko Filipin <zeljko.filipin at gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 12:34 PM
Subject: Watir article on English Wikipedia
To: watir <watir-general at googlegroups.com>

I am updating Watir article on English Wikipedia[1] and I need some help.

If you open the page[1] you will see a warning: "This article does not cite
any references or sources. Please help improve this article by adding
citations to reliable sources. Unsourced material may be challenged and
removed. (September 2010)".

The warning links to a few pages[2][3][4] with instructions. Since the
instructions are pretty verbose, I will try to sum it up, as I understand
it: you should be able to point to "reliable source(s)" for every claim
that you make on Wikipedia.

For example, for the first sentence of the article[5] I have added three
sources[6]. Reliable sources are books (not self published, if possible),
journal articles, newspaper articles, webpages...

In short, I need "information (...) from a reliable source" for all other
sentences of the article. :)

So, if you know a book, article, webpage (...) that mentions Watir, please
let me know.

Thanks,

?eljko
--
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watir
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources
[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability
[4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Introduction_to_referencing/1
[5] Watir (Web Application Testing in Ruby, pronounced water), is an
open-source (BSD) family of Ruby libraries for automating web browsers.
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On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 2:35 PM, ?eljko Filipin <zeljko.filipin at gmail.com>
wrote:
> What do you think about adding page-object gem[1] to watir project?

I almost forgot to mention it. One of the reasons I would recommend
page-object gem before other similar gems is that there is a book[1] that
shows how to use it.

?eljko
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From colinsdaddy at gmail.com  Fri Oct 12 15:43:49 2012
From: colinsdaddy at gmail.com (Hugh McGowan)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 10:43:49 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] Adding page-object gem to watir project
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I don't think this is a requirement - we should pick the best tool not the
best-documented tool :)

On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 10:13 AM, ?eljko Filipin
<zeljko.filipin at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 2:35 PM, ?eljko Filipin <zeljko.filipin at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > What do you think about adding page-object gem[1] to watir project?
>
> I almost forgot to mention it. One of the reasons I would recommend
> page-object gem before other similar gems is that there is a book[1] that
> shows how to use it.
>
> ?eljko
> --
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From jarmo.p at gmail.com  Fri Oct 12 18:43:22 2012
From: jarmo.p at gmail.com (Jarmo)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 21:43:22 +0300
Subject: [Wtr-development] Adding page-object gem to watir project
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I agree. Sometimes a good readme is enough to master something :)

J.

On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 6:43 PM, Hugh McGowan <colinsdaddy at gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't think this is a requirement - we should pick the best tool not the
> best-documented tool :)
>
> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 10:13 AM, ?eljko Filipin <zeljko.filipin at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 2:35 PM, ?eljko Filipin <zeljko.filipin at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > What do you think about adding page-object gem[1] to watir project?
>>
>> I almost forgot to mention it. One of the reasons I would recommend
>> page-object gem before other similar gems is that there is a book[1] that
>> shows how to use it.
>>
>> ?eljko
>> --
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From paul.rogers at shaw.ca  Fri Oct 12 20:37:07 2012
From: paul.rogers at shaw.ca (Paul Rogers)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 14:37:07 -0600
Subject: [Wtr-development] Adding page-object gem to watir project
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I have often thought that the watir  'finders' should have been
modeled after jquery. Except that I dont think jquery  was around
then.

I have frequently wondered about a watir-jquery library that would
allow some very close syntax of jquery to be used. And, if jquery is
on the page, to use that where appropriate.

I suspect it would make people who are currently web developers more
interested in watir.

Paul

On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Jarmo <jarmo.p at gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree. Sometimes a good readme is enough to master something :)
>
> J.
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 6:43 PM, Hugh McGowan <colinsdaddy at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I don't think this is a requirement - we should pick the best tool not the
>> best-documented tool :)
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 10:13 AM, ?eljko Filipin
>> <zeljko.filipin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 2:35 PM, ?eljko Filipin
>>> <zeljko.filipin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > What do you think about adding page-object gem[1] to watir project?
>>>
>>> I almost forgot to mention it. One of the reasons I would recommend
>>> page-object gem before other similar gems is that there is a book[1] that
>>> shows how to use it.
>>>
>>> ?eljko
>>> --
>>> [1] https://leanpub.com/cucumber_and_cheese
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Wtr-development mailing list
>>> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
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>>
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From zeljko.filipin at gmail.com  Fri Oct 12 20:55:35 2012
From: zeljko.filipin at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 22:55:35 +0200
Subject: [Wtr-development] Adding page-object gem to watir project
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On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 8:43 PM, Jarmo <jarmo.p at gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree. Sometimes a good readme is enough to master something :)
>
> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 6:43 PM, Hugh McGowan <colinsdaddy at gmail.com>
wrote:
>> I don't think this is a requirement - we should pick the best tool not
the best-documented tool :)

I disagree. I think good documentation is as important as good tool. I
guess the two of you are far better developers than average watir user. As
much as reading code for everyone on this list is normal, it is not an
option for a lot of people. My guess would be that average watir user knows
just the basics of programming, object orientation, version control... Good
documentation is really important to them.

?eljko
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From zeljko.filipin at gmail.com  Fri Oct 12 20:57:19 2012
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Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 22:57:19 +0200
Subject: [Wtr-development] Adding page-object gem to watir project
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On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 10:37 PM, Paul Rogers <paul.rogers at shaw.ca> wrote:
> I have often thought that the watir  'finders' should have been
> modeled after jquery.

Interesting thought. I actually really like watir API, but the reason could
be that I got used to it over the years.

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From jarmo.p at gmail.com  Fri Oct 12 20:58:23 2012
From: jarmo.p at gmail.com (Jarmo)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 23:58:23 +0300
Subject: [Wtr-development] Adding page-object gem to watir project
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As i remember then OperaWatir has similar functionality to jQuery finders.
Doing jQuery finders is easy, since it is almost already supported by using
:css as locator. The hard part is what to do with the results. Here's an
example:
browser.element(".row).click

What should that line above do? Should it click only on the first result or
should it click on every result? I find myself pretty often confused as to
what function call will be invoked on all results found by jquery and what
is invoked only on the first one. We could however simplify it to always
work on the first result. In other words - we could allow only one
parameter for #element to be used with css selectors like jquery does.
However i'm not sure this would be the thing needed for increasing
popularity of Watir (is watir not so popular anymore?).

J.

On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 11:37 PM, Paul Rogers <paul.rogers at shaw.ca> wrote:

> I have often thought that the watir  'finders' should have been
> modeled after jquery. Except that I dont think jquery  was around
> then.
>
> I have frequently wondered about a watir-jquery library that would
> allow some very close syntax of jquery to be used. And, if jquery is
> on the page, to use that where appropriate.
>
> I suspect it would make people who are currently web developers more
> interested in watir.
>
> Paul
>
> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Jarmo <jarmo.p at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I agree. Sometimes a good readme is enough to master something :)
> >
> > J.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 6:43 PM, Hugh McGowan <colinsdaddy at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I don't think this is a requirement - we should pick the best tool not
> the
> >> best-documented tool :)
> >>
> >> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 10:13 AM, ?eljko Filipin
> >> <zeljko.filipin at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 2:35 PM, ?eljko Filipin
> >>> <zeljko.filipin at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> > What do you think about adding page-object gem[1] to watir project?
> >>>
> >>> I almost forgot to mention it. One of the reasons I would recommend
> >>> page-object gem before other similar gems is that there is a book[1]
> that
> >>> shows how to use it.
> >>>
> >>> ?eljko
> >>> --
> >>> [1] https://leanpub.com/cucumber_and_cheese
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Wtr-development mailing list
> >>> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
> >>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
> >>
> >>
> >>
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From notifications at github.com  Fri Oct 12 18:29:22 2012
From: notifications at github.com (L2G)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 11:29:22 -0700
Subject: [Wtr-development] [watirspec] Minor typo fixes (#37)
Message-ID: <watir/watirspec/pull/37@github.com>

These are minor corrections I made to fix spelling and an outdated URL.

All changes should only affect comments or static strings. But of course they have the potential to affect anything external to WatirSpec dependent on the exact strings used by spec examples.

You can merge this Pull Request by running:

  git pull https://github.com/L2G/watirspec typos

Or you can view, comment on it, or merge it online at:

  https://github.com/watir/watirspec/pull/37

-- Commit Summary --

  * Correct an outdated GitHub issue URL and a typo
  * Fix spelling

-- File Changes --

M browser_spec.rb (4)
M checkbox_spec.rb (10)
M option_spec.rb (2)
M radio_spec.rb (6)
M select_list_spec.rb (2)
M text_field_spec.rb (2)
M tr_spec.rb (4)

-- Patch Links --

https://github.com/watir/watirspec/pull/37.patch
https://github.com/watir/watirspec/pull/37.diff


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From notifications at github.com  Fri Oct 12 20:02:52 2012
From: notifications at github.com (Jari Bakken)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 13:02:52 -0700
Subject: [Wtr-development] [watirspec] Minor typo fixes (#37)
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From sqapro at gmail.com  Sat Oct 13 04:47:49 2012
From: sqapro at gmail.com (Charles S van der Linden)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 21:47:49 -0700
Subject: [Wtr-development] Adding page-object gem to watir project
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On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 1:26 AM, ?eljko Filipin
<zeljko.filipin at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 8:48 PM, Hugh McGowan <colinsdaddy at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I think picking a page-object gem to support is fine but it's not clear to
>> me that Jeff's gem is the right one.
>
> I know that at Blackbaud/Convio you use watirmark[1]. If there was watirmark
> workshop this year at Austin maybe I would now be recommending it. :)

Maybe that is something we should consider,

>> For example, the one we use is different in some very basic ways. Ours is
>> agnostic to the implementation so we don't care what is driving the "page".
>> We use it for watir, selenium, editing XML files, calling WIN32OLE methods
>> for our own DLLs, etc. For us, it's just an abstraction for grouping getters
>> and setters and keeping the implementation separated from the usage of that
>> implementation.

I think it might be interesting to compare what Hugh's group is doing,
with what my team is doing, and Jarmo's stuff.  I wonder if we could
come up with some common approach that could just be included as part
of watir itself, a built in means to define page objects.

 There's so little to what we are doing I'm not even sure we it would
be worth the effort to make a stand-alone gem out if it.  OTOH I think
it's pretty tightly bound to watir as a result.

We define how to access form elements and such in the page objects.
But since most of what we work with are fairly complicated objects in
their own right (Learning units, Course Proposals, Course Offerings,
Academic Calendars) we also use an approach of Test Objects that
parallel what we are working with in the system under test.  These
objects know how to create themselves using the UI (and eventually we
hope via calling services as well) update, delete etc. (of course when
driving the UI they do all of that via the page objects)

If someone wants to see it (it is somewhat in it's infancy, I'm sure
you will find room for improvements ) you can fork the repro from
https://github.com/rSmart/sambal


> The only thing that I do not like about page-object gem is that it adds it's
> own API on top of the driver.
>
> Examples[2]:
>
> browser.button(:id => 'an_id') # watir
> button(:your_name, :id => 'an_id') # page-object
> keyword :your_name {browser.button(:id => 'an_id')} #watirmark
>
> I really prefer how watirmark does it. But maybe it could be added to
> page-object gem.

That is one of the things we didn't like about page-object as well.
The other problem we seemed to have (and forgive me if I'm not
expressing this right) is that if you wanted to just invoke a standard
watir method on something you could not, that function had to already
be built into the PO version of the thing, or you had to bring it up
as a generic element.  I think there were also challenges with actions
where doing something on a page needed to basically return another
page object as a result.  (Abe could elaborate more clearly on the
things he found difficult)

>
>> Maybe this is a good topic to address in the Watir conference next year -
>> we can have a page-object smackdown!
>
> +1

+1  Even if a compare and contrast and not a 'who is best' (implied by
smackdown) I think it would be worth it

>
> I think this is the next big discussion that we need to have.

+1

>
> ?eljko
> --
> [1] https://github.com/convio/watirmark
> [2] https://github.com/cheezy/page-object/issues/102#issuecomment-6331222
>

From notifications at github.com  Wed Oct 17 10:51:16 2012
From: notifications at github.com (Penn Su)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 03:51:16 -0700
Subject: [Wtr-development] [watir-webdriver] Firefox doesn't close
	properly (#166)
In-Reply-To: <watir/watir-webdriver/issues/166@github.com>
References: <watir/watir-webdriver/issues/166@github.com>
Message-ID: <watir/watir-webdriver/issues/166/9523108@github.com>

I would recommend not use watir's method to close browser, because it has some weird behavior as @closed is reported is true when it is not, so I recommend for effective closing windows, use the Selenium web driver method

So instead of
`b.close`
use
`b.driver.quit`

More effective :)

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From notifications at github.com  Thu Oct 18 23:46:07 2012
From: notifications at github.com (oddKoncept)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 16:46:07 -0700
Subject: [Wtr-development] [watir-webdriver] unable to send special keys to
 chrome using send_keys command (#167)
Message-ID: <watir/watir-webdriver/issues/167@github.com>

I am attempting to:

text_field(...).send_keys([:command, 'v']) on mac +chrome 

This same call works in FireFox v16.xx

Also, just doing send_keys(["abc", "def"]) to chrome works perfectly.  the :command is the issue

Chromedriver v23.xx
Chrome v21.xx




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From notifications at github.com  Thu Oct 18 23:48:21 2012
From: notifications at github.com (Jari Bakken)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 16:48:21 -0700
Subject: [Wtr-development] [watir-webdriver] unable to send special keys
 to chrome using send_keys command (#167)
In-Reply-To: <watir/watir-webdriver/issues/167@github.com>
References: <watir/watir-webdriver/issues/167@github.com>
Message-ID: <watir/watir-webdriver/issues/167/9585456@github.com>

This is a known issue in [ChromeDriver](https://code.google.com/p/chromedriver/issues/detail?id=30). Feel free to comment on or star that bug to draw attention to it.

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From notifications at github.com  Fri Oct 19 00:03:16 2012
From: notifications at github.com (oddKoncept)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 17:03:16 -0700
Subject: [Wtr-development] [watir-webdriver] unable to send special keys
 to chrome using send_keys command (#167)
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Amazing response time, thank you very much jari.

Seems like this has been an ongoing problem that they are aware of since 2011.  I have posted an additional comment to maybe escalate fixing it =).

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From notifications at github.com  Sat Oct 20 11:22:39 2012
From: notifications at github.com (Jarmo Pertman)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 04:22:39 -0700
Subject: [Wtr-development] [watir-classic] Element.focus loops with
	nested frames (#41)
In-Reply-To: <watir/watir-classic/issues/41@github.com>
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From notifications at github.com  Sat Oct 20 13:49:41 2012
From: notifications at github.com (Jarmo Pertman)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 06:49:41 -0700
Subject: [Wtr-development] [watir] watir 1.5.3 is not clicking links on
	IE9 (#3)
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Try newest watir-classic to see if it works for you. I don't have any problems using IE9 with watir. Closing for now.

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From notifications at github.com  Sat Oct 20 13:52:33 2012
From: notifications at github.com (Jarmo Pertman)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 06:52:33 -0700
Subject: [Wtr-development] [watir] rautomation dependency missing in gem
	(#4)
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References: <watir/watir/issues/4@github.com>
Message-ID: <watir/watir/issues/4/9631437@github.com>

Watir-classic has a dependency for RAutomation set properly. Like this:
````
'rautomation', '~>0.7.2'
````

I'm not sure if that was not the case ~3 months ago. Closing.

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From notifications at github.com  Sat Oct 20 13:57:45 2012
From: notifications at github.com (Jarmo Pertman)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 06:57:45 -0700
Subject: [Wtr-development] [watir] Getting the Real HTML Source (#2)
In-Reply-To: <watir/watir/issues/2@github.com>
References: <watir/watir/issues/2@github.com>
Message-ID: <watir/watir/issues/2/9631481@github.com>

Watir returns document outerHTML:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ie/ms534310(v=vs.85).aspx

What do you mean by the "real" html?

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From notifications at github.com  Sat Oct 20 14:01:04 2012
From: notifications at github.com (Jarmo Pertman)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 07:01:04 -0700
Subject: [Wtr-development] [watir] Driver library needs to be loaded before
 executing any of the real methods. (#5)
Message-ID: <watir/watir/issues/5@github.com>

Problem with current solution is that for example ````#start````, ````#attach```` and any other Watir class methods are not accessible because watir-webdriver or watir-classic is loaded in ````#new````. It seems that the loading should be done by ````#method_missing```` or by any other means to fix these problems.

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From jarmo.p at gmail.com  Sun Oct 21 11:19:20 2012
From: jarmo.p at gmail.com (Jarmo)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 14:19:20 +0300
Subject: [Wtr-development] Watir 4.0.1 Released!
Message-ID: <CAHZHd6Xnuo_xZL9wmF71fBKp_Y52tePhiNVwdOThtV-voRaNqA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone!

I'm happy to announce that Watir 4.0.1 has been released.

Add this into your Gemfile:
  gem "watir", "~>4.0.1"

or install it manually with:
  gem install watir

Then in your test file:
  require "watir"
  browser = Watir::Browser.new

Changes:
  * Add support for Watir::Browser.start, Watir::Browser.attach and any
other Watir::Browser methods.

Refer to the additional usage at the readme:
https://github.com/watir/watir/blob/master/README.md

With Best Regards,
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From notifications at github.com  Sun Oct 21 11:20:40 2012
From: notifications at github.com (Jarmo Pertman)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 04:20:40 -0700
Subject: [Wtr-development] [watir] Driver library needs to be loaded
 before executing any of the real methods. (#5)
In-Reply-To: <watir/watir/issues/5@github.com>
References: <watir/watir/issues/5@github.com>
Message-ID: <watir/watir/issues/5/9641716@github.com>

Fixed in https://github.com/watir/watir/commit/43d3b6341d22956789e809dfeca421a7a0d96e0f and in version 4.0.1.

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From notifications at github.com  Sun Oct 21 11:50:05 2012
From: notifications at github.com (Jarmo Pertman)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 04:50:05 -0700
Subject: [Wtr-development] [watir-classic] @container is nil when
 locating a element from frame.elements (#37)
In-Reply-To: <watir/watir-classic/issues/37@github.com>
References: <watir/watir-classic/issues/37@github.com>
Message-ID: <watir/watir-classic/issues/37/9641910@github.com>

Cannot reproduce it in watir-classic 3.2.0. I had to modify the code provided by you though, since you are calling ````#click```` on an Array. I just called ````#first```` after doing ````#select````.

Closing this.

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From notifications at github.com  Sun Oct 21 11:50:35 2012
From: notifications at github.com (Jarmo Pertman)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 04:50:35 -0700
Subject: [Wtr-development] [watir-classic]
 watir-2.0.4/lib/watir/ie-class.rb:567: [BUG] Segmentation fault (#39)
In-Reply-To: <watir/watir-classic/issues/39@github.com>
References: <watir/watir-classic/issues/39@github.com>
Message-ID: <watir/watir-classic/issues/39/9641915@github.com>

Closing this. If the problem persists, then please reopen or create a new issue with more information. Thanks!

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From notifications at github.com  Sun Oct 21 12:54:00 2012
From: notifications at github.com (Jarmo Pertman)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 05:54:00 -0700
Subject: [Wtr-development] [watir-classic] Watir::Option#text() method
 returns an empty string for all options which are not currently selected
 (invisible) (#43)
In-Reply-To: <watir/watir-classic/issues/43@github.com>
References: <watir/watir-classic/issues/43@github.com>
Message-ID: <watir/watir-classic/issues/43/9642322@github.com>

I can't reproduce this problem. I'm using https://github.com/watir/watirspec/blob/master/html/forms_with_input_elements.html and then this code:
````
(rdb:1) browser.select_list(:id => "delete_user_username").options.map(&:text)
["", "Username 1", "Username 2", "Username 3"]
(rdb:1) browser.select_list(:id => "delete_user_username").option(:index => 2).text
"Username 2"
````

Can you provide me the html where you're having this problem?

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From zeljko.filipin at gmail.com  Mon Oct 22 08:48:35 2012
From: zeljko.filipin at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 10:48:35 +0200
Subject: [Wtr-development] Adding page-object gem to watir project
In-Reply-To: <CAHJU+E0CgWFq3ZBtgr8sutCk-BDA3bBB0mKFsCxKNrgaP01huw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABfBeAqDEanj08Wk8n0nRLjzqHuGrO9nEegw6Y7PnpXaYPtknw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABfBeArWgWoLZ0Ea=JiWW37m2Z5Y5KF+c5q7C=5rU7ipx=CVXw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHZHd6XQuzGUqVzAAQ5JxZVwY2ATy3yD5mkvhU41M0On+OWCdg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHZHd6VM1yQbo8h3=LUQ-UYNR=gr9e3fbjbhAV7R+HcXhNPpVw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAH59Z1z-ZVgF99Yv+yxwzMad7F=6cxUiFCEeEZBWEKok7EgC_Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABfBeAotCHmO5dh6QHcvKsyJsy3UpRyh=AUFbefzeMgzsiQd_g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHJU+E0CgWFq3ZBtgr8sutCk-BDA3bBB0mKFsCxKNrgaP01huw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABfBeAq97a7auDvgUGJn=AuNTpG7OVJp-2YhGLAnkd6f+ESbvQ@mail.gmail.com>

To sum up the conversation: I am the only one that thinks adding
page-object gem to the watir project would be a good thing. In that case,
things remain as usual, we will not add the gem to the project.

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From notifications at github.com  Tue Oct 23 22:59:09 2012
From: notifications at github.com (Ferhat Elmas)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 15:59:09 -0700
Subject: [Wtr-development] [watir-webdriver] Elements couldn't be found in
 unvalidated HTML (#168)
Message-ID: <watir/watir-webdriver/issues/168@github.com>

HTML:

    <tr>
      <td colspan="4" align="left" class="txt12px">
        <strong style="display:block;width:425px;">
          some text
    </tr>

Code:

    qt = @browser.strong(style: 'display:block;width:425px;').text

This code throws `UnknownObjectException`. Is it a bug, known issue or only my blindness?




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From notifications at github.com  Wed Oct 24 01:20:39 2012
From: notifications at github.com (Jari Bakken)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 18:20:39 -0700
Subject: [Wtr-development] [watir-webdriver] Elements couldn't be found
 in unvalidated HTML (#168)
In-Reply-To: <watir/watir-webdriver/issues/168@github.com>
References: <watir/watir-webdriver/issues/168@github.com>
Message-ID: <watir/watir-webdriver/issues/168/9724584@github.com>

I can't reproduce. Feel free to reopen if you have a reproducible case:

```console
$ cat test.rb 
require 'watir-webdriver'

w = Watir::Browser.new

begin
  w.goto "data:text/html,#{URI.encode DATA.read}"
  p w.strong(:style => "display:block;width:425px;").text
ensure
  w.quit
end


__END__
<tr>
  <td colspan="4" align="left" class="txt12px">
    <strong style="display:block;width:425px;">
      some text
</tr>%                                                                                               
$ ruby test.rb 
"some text"
$ 
```

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From connor.qa.guy at gmail.com  Fri Oct 26 10:16:34 2012
From: connor.qa.guy at gmail.com (Connor Culleton)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 11:16:34 +0100
Subject: [Wtr-development] Classic Element.Style vs Webdriver Element.Style
Message-ID: <CAFNZAUigkaMVQtZJ5krg7Vs_erTNcqAVrPX_uXH+LXCTUCp17g@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Jarmo,

In the latest wair-classic the element.style() method works as follows

   # return the css style as a string
    def style
      assert_exists
      ole_object.style.cssText
    end


but it still doesn't behave like the webdriver version (which takes a
property argument).

   def style(property = nil)
      if property
        assert_exists
        @element.style property
      else
        attribute_value("style").to_s.strip
      end
    end


 It would be really useful if the watir-classic behaviour matched the web
driver version. Are there any plans to update this in the future or is
there a specfic reason they are different?

Thanks for everything,
Connor
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From notifications at github.com  Fri Oct 26 11:31:09 2012
From: notifications at github.com (afuge)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 04:31:09 -0700
Subject: [Wtr-development] [watir-classic] Watir::Option#text() method
 returns an empty string for all options which are not currently selected
 (invisible) (#43)
In-Reply-To: <watir/watir-classic/issues/43@github.com>
References: <watir/watir-classic/issues/43@github.com>
Message-ID: <watir/watir-classic/issues/43/9810054@github.com>

Hi Jarmo,

Thanks for checking it. After your failure to reproduce it we've investigated it in more depth and found out that there was another override in our framework which caused the original problem.

So I think the issue can be closed.

Sorry for the extra work.

Thanks,
Andras

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From notifications at github.com  Fri Oct 26 15:15:28 2012
From: notifications at github.com (Jarmo Pertman)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 08:15:28 -0700
Subject: [Wtr-development] [watir-classic] Watir::Option#text() method
 returns an empty string for all options which are not currently selected
 (invisible) (#43)
In-Reply-To: <watir/watir-classic/issues/43@github.com>
References: <watir/watir-classic/issues/43@github.com>
Message-ID: <watir/watir-classic/issues/43/9816274@github.com>

Nice to know! Closing.

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From jarmo.p at gmail.com  Fri Oct 26 15:18:28 2012
From: jarmo.p at gmail.com (Jarmo)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 18:18:28 +0300
Subject: [Wtr-development] Classic Element.Style vs Webdriver
	Element.Style
In-Reply-To: <CAFNZAUigkaMVQtZJ5krg7Vs_erTNcqAVrPX_uXH+LXCTUCp17g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFNZAUigkaMVQtZJ5krg7Vs_erTNcqAVrPX_uXH+LXCTUCp17g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHZHd6UkdWXsCXYTpxSSSQq5-Jy2fCc-hu9Cj2zgtxVKZLXz3w@mail.gmail.com>

I don't see any reason why it should not be doable in watir-classic too -
didn't know that feature exists in watir-webdriver. Please open up a
feature request under https://github.com/watir/watir-classic/issues and
i'll try to introduce that in the next version.

J.

On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Connor Culleton <connor.qa.guy at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hey Jarmo,
>
> In the latest wair-classic the element.style() method works as follows
>
>    # return the css style as a string
>     def style
>       assert_exists
>       ole_object.style.cssText
>     end
>
>
> but it still doesn't behave like the webdriver version (which takes a
> property argument).
>
>    def style(property = nil)
>       if property
>         assert_exists
>         @element.style property
>       else
>         attribute_value("style").to_s.strip
>       end
>     end
>
>
>  It would be really useful if the watir-classic behaviour matched the web
> driver version. Are there any plans to update this in the future or is
> there a specfic reason they are different?
>
> Thanks for everything,
> Connor
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wtr-development mailing list
> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
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From alex.ikhelis at gmail.com  Fri Oct 26 15:34:27 2012
From: alex.ikhelis at gmail.com (Aliaksandr Ikhelis)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 16:34:27 +0100
Subject: [Wtr-development] Classic Element.Style vs Webdriver
	Element.Style
In-Reply-To: <CAHZHd6UkdWXsCXYTpxSSSQq5-Jy2fCc-hu9Cj2zgtxVKZLXz3w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFNZAUigkaMVQtZJ5krg7Vs_erTNcqAVrPX_uXH+LXCTUCp17g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHZHd6UkdWXsCXYTpxSSSQq5-Jy2fCc-hu9Cj2zgtxVKZLXz3w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFjQWxNKmfBmP-_VnpQS5imaUV4rhReEOpJS_6+iOv9P9N4T4A@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Jarmo, we will raise the request.

JFYI both, this is the original discussion around #style() in watir and is
the reason we are following up on this:

https://github.com/watir/watir-webdriver/issues/11

Thank you,
Aliaksandr Ikhelis


On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Jarmo <jarmo.p at gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't see any reason why it should not be doable in watir-classic too -
> didn't know that feature exists in watir-webdriver. Please open up a
> feature request under https://github.com/watir/watir-classic/issues and
> i'll try to introduce that in the next version.
>
> J.
>
> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Connor Culleton <connor.qa.guy at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hey Jarmo,
>>
>> In the latest wair-classic the element.style() method works as follows
>>
>>    # return the css style as a string
>>     def style
>>       assert_exists
>>       ole_object.style.cssText
>>     end
>>
>>
>> but it still doesn't behave like the webdriver version (which takes a
>> property argument).
>>
>>    def style(property = nil)
>>       if property
>>         assert_exists
>>         @element.style property
>>       else
>>         attribute_value("style").to_s.strip
>>       end
>>     end
>>
>>
>>  It would be really useful if the watir-classic behaviour matched the web
>> driver version. Are there any plans to update this in the future or is
>> there a specfic reason they are different?
>>
>> Thanks for everything,
>> Connor
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Wtr-development mailing list
>> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From jarmo.p at gmail.com  Sat Oct 27 15:57:26 2012
From: jarmo.p at gmail.com (Jarmo)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 18:57:26 +0300
Subject: [Wtr-development] Watir-Classic 3.3.0 Released!
Message-ID: <CAHZHd6WoaMscsb9-=rEfeQA=H_qMHiQagdXRA001cd8bN2jTTA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone!

I'm happy to announce that Watir-Classic 3.3.0 has been released!

Put it into your Gemfile:
  gem "watir-classic", "~> 3.3.0"

Or install it manually with:
  gem install watir-classic


Changes:
* Add support for optional Element#style property argument, which allows to
get specific css style attribute value.
* Add support for locating Link by a :name. Fixes #42.
* Avoid endless loop when focusing elements inside of a frame. Closes #41.
* Cookies#delete handles the situation if browser is on about:blank.
* Remove Image#file_created_date method since IE does not provide accurate
information. Closes #36.
* Use MultiJSON gem instead of the Yajl::Ruby gem as a dependency for
parsing #execute_script results.

With Best Regards,
Jarmo Pertman
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From Jarmo.P at gmail.com  Sat Oct 27 16:00:53 2012
From: Jarmo.P at gmail.com (Jarmo Pertman)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 09:00:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Wtr-development] Classic Element.Style vs Webdriver
 Element.Style
In-Reply-To: <CAFjQWxNKmfBmP-_VnpQS5imaUV4rhReEOpJS_6+iOv9P9N4T4A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFNZAUigkaMVQtZJ5krg7Vs_erTNcqAVrPX_uXH+LXCTUCp17g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHZHd6UkdWXsCXYTpxSSSQq5-Jy2fCc-hu9Cj2zgtxVKZLXz3w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFjQWxNKmfBmP-_VnpQS5imaUV4rhReEOpJS_6+iOv9P9N4T4A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ef1ced2b-251e-454b-8047-ce4f0492a59a@googlegroups.com>

It is now implemented in Watir-Classic 3.3.0.

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On Friday, October 26, 2012 6:34:55 PM UTC+3, alex.ikhelis wrote:
>
> Thanks Jarmo, we will raise the request.
>
> JFYI both, this is the original discussion around #style() in watir and is 
> the reason we are following up on this:
>
> https://github.com/watir/watir-webdriver/issues/11
>
> Thank you,
> Aliaksandr Ikhelis
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Jarmo <jar... at gmail.com <javascript:>>wrote:
>
>> I don't see any reason why it should not be doable in watir-classic too - 
>> didn't know that feature exists in watir-webdriver. Please open up a 
>> feature request under https://github.com/watir/watir-classic/issues and 
>> i'll try to introduce that in the next version.
>>
>> J.
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Connor Culleton <connor... at gmail.com<javascript:>
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Jarmo, 
>>>
>>> In the latest wair-classic the element.style() method works as follows
>>>
>>>    # return the css style as a string
>>>     def style
>>>       assert_exists
>>>       ole_object.style.cssText
>>>     end
>>>
>>>
>>> but it still doesn't behave like the webdriver version (which takes a 
>>> property argument).
>>>
>>>    def style(property = nil)
>>>       if property
>>>         assert_exists
>>>         @element.style property
>>>       else
>>>         attribute_value("style").to_s.strip
>>>       end
>>>     end
>>>
>>>
>>>  It would be really useful if the watir-classic behaviour matched the 
>>> web driver version. Are there any plans to update this in the future or is 
>>> there a specfic reason they are different? 
>>>  
>>> Thanks for everything,
>>> Connor
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Wtr-development mailing list
>>> Wtr-dev... at rubyforge.org <javascript:>
>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Wtr-development mailing list
>> Wtr-dev... at rubyforge.org <javascript:>
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
>>
>
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From notifications at github.com  Sat Oct 27 16:00:13 2012
From: notifications at github.com (Jarmo Pertman)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 09:00:13 -0700
Subject: [Wtr-development] [watir-webdriver] style() method works
 differently compared to Watir (#11)
In-Reply-To: <watir/watir-webdriver/issues/11@github.com>
References: <watir/watir-webdriver/issues/11@github.com>
Message-ID: <watir/watir-webdriver/issues/11/9836766@github.com>

FYI, this is now implemented in Watir-Classic 3.3.0.

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From jarmo.p at gmail.com  Wed Oct 31 11:30:17 2012
From: jarmo.p at gmail.com (Jarmo)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 13:30:17 +0200
Subject: [Wtr-development] test-page 0.0.1 has been released!
Message-ID: <CAHZHd6WNMh80Dw=H_+WEOEjYj0t5gkctdxJyHcf4qp2LA==agA@mail.gmail.com>

test-page helps you to write easily maintainable integration tests by
using Watir, Selenium or any other testing library by implementing
Page Objects pattern.

Add it into your Gemfile:
  gem "test-page"

or install it with:
  gem install test-page

Read more about it at https://github.com/jarmo/test-page#readme

Jarmo Pertman
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