From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch  Mon Mar  1 04:23:29 2010
From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 10:23:29 +0100
Subject: [Wtr-development] [wtr-general] My work on watir-webdriver
	(especially safari driver)
In-Reply-To: <BLU105-W109A76534E79D9001F6DE3C13D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU105-W109A76534E79D9001F6DE3C13D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <f81b1251003010123p312ec599na18519ddd5ea1cf2@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Al Snow <jasnow at hotmail.com> wrote:
>(especially with the safari driver for watir-webdriver)

I am really interested in learning more about Safari driver for
watir-webdriver. I am subscribed to your blog.

?eljko
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From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch  Mon Mar  1 06:51:15 2010
From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 12:51:15 +0100
Subject: [Wtr-development] Donate to Watir
Message-ID: <f81b1251003010351y1778ef30ma96a7c9c31d5c1cd@mail.gmail.com>

If you like the Watir project, you can make a donation. There is donate
button at http://watir.com/.

We have raised $500 this year. We will spend it on hosting and stuff like
that. We will not spend it on beer, no matter how much I would like that. :)

You can see list of donors and Bret's thank you note at
http://pledgie.com/campaigns/2982

?eljko
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From notethan at gmail.com  Mon Mar  1 11:22:50 2010
From: notethan at gmail.com (Ethan)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 11:22:50 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] Fork
Message-ID: <f58506c41003010822x355df9c3m449b458176976503@mail.gmail.com>

Regarding my fork (for those who may not be familiar: fork is here -
http://github.com/ethan-medidata/watir - and previous discussion of it is at
http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/wtr-development/2009-October/001227.html and
http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/wtr-development/2010-January/001479.html )

After talking with Charley on the irc channel for a while about this, I
think that the best way to go right now is for me to release the work I've
done in my fork as a separate gem from Watir.

I think I've improved a lot of things in my fork, but I know that it is too
much to reasonably expect to be merged back into Watir, as it is. At the
moment I do not know how to break it into parts which are both small enough
to be merged back in, and stand on their own - I want to work on this and
try to present things in a more manageable fashion, which may be merged one
reasonable piece at a time. But, for the moment, I'd like to see my work
being used, as I think it is ready for general usage.

It's important to me that I maintain a good relationship with the Watir
community, and I don't want to damage that. I hope that this course is
approved of by the current core Watir community. Having talked with Charley
about it, he agrees this is the right path, and I hope everyone else will
think so too.

So, I'm going to release it as a gem. I don't want to cause confusion with
the real Watir, as I have changed so much, and any problems or issues with
what my fork has become are not likely to be problems with Watir itself.
Because of that, I think that releasing under a different name is in order.
I came up with Vapir, and I quite like that as a name for it.

I'd still be very happy to see changes merged back into Watir itself - I
don't want this to be thought of as distancing my changes from their origin.
To me, the goal is seeing my work getting used, so that users benefit from
improvements I have made, and my code benefits from more real-world usage,
finding bugs, uncovering any issues, missing features that people want.

That's what I think is the best course for this, right now, but I'd like to
hear what anybody/everybody here thinks. I hope that you will let me know
your opinions.

-Ethan
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From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch  Tue Mar  2 05:29:45 2010
From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 11:29:45 +0100
Subject: [Wtr-development] Fork
In-Reply-To: <f58506c41003010822x355df9c3m449b458176976503@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f58506c41003010822x355df9c3m449b458176976503@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f81b1251003020229u23a19e16ga50d4b98e7cc2b5b@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Ethan,

Comments are inline.

On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Ethan <notethan at gmail.com> wrote:
> After talking with Charley on the irc channel for a while about this, I
think that the best way to go right now is for me to release the work I've
done in my fork as a separate gem from Watir.

Sounds good to me too.

> It's important to me that I maintain a good relationship with the Watir
community

I am really glad to hear this.

> I came up with Vapir, and I quite like that as a name for it.

Interesting. Is there a story behind the name?

?eljko
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From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch  Tue Mar  2 06:32:12 2010
From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 12:32:12 +0100
Subject: [Wtr-development] Jira
Message-ID: <f81b1251003020332h10ea89a9obd258c39e60d4b5b@mail.gmail.com>

Jira on openqa.org is really not set up right.

1) I have just noticed that 13 tickets that I have opened were resolved, but
I did not get any e-mail notification. I have closed the tickets and then I
got 13 e-mails. I think reporters should get e-mail after any change in the
ticket.

2) I have contacted Patrick in the last week or two a few times asking can
he set up Jira so reporters can close tickets after they are resolved, but I
got no answer so far.

I know we do not have any other option at the moment, but I really do not
like Jira on openqa.org.

?eljko
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From jarmo.p at gmail.com  Tue Mar  2 08:57:47 2010
From: jarmo.p at gmail.com (Jarmo)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 15:57:47 +0200
Subject: [Wtr-development] Jira
In-Reply-To: <f81b1251003020332h10ea89a9obd258c39e60d4b5b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f81b1251003020332h10ea89a9obd258c39e60d4b5b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b7bf92f01003020557t4133fe19na5e39a2821a76e67@mail.gmail.com>

Why there's no other option? Can't we start using
http://lighthouseapp.com/ or something similar?

Jarmo

On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 1:32 PM, ?eljko Filipin
<zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch> wrote:
> Jira on openqa.org is really not set up right.
>
> 1) I have just noticed that 13 tickets that I have opened were resolved, but
> I did not get any e-mail notification. I have closed the tickets and then I
> got 13 e-mails. I think reporters should get e-mail after any change in the
> ticket.
>
> 2) I have contacted Patrick in the last week or two a few times asking can
> he set up Jira so reporters can close tickets after they are resolved, but I
> got no answer so far.
>
> I know we do not have any other option at the moment, but I really do not
> like Jira on openqa.org.
>
> ?eljko
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wtr-development mailing list
> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
>

From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch  Tue Mar  2 09:08:32 2010
From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 15:08:32 +0100
Subject: [Wtr-development] Jira
In-Reply-To: <b7bf92f01003020557t4133fe19na5e39a2821a76e67@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f81b1251003020332h10ea89a9obd258c39e60d4b5b@mail.gmail.com> 
	<b7bf92f01003020557t4133fe19na5e39a2821a76e67@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f81b1251003020608t24328030ka6dafd91aae5ced@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Jarmo <jarmo.p at gmail.com> wrote:
> Why there's no other option? Can't we start using
> http://lighthouseapp.com/ or something similar?

We have discussed that recently. The problem is in moving the old tickets
there. I am not opposed to the idea of moving.

?eljko
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From notethan at gmail.com  Tue Mar  2 09:18:19 2010
From: notethan at gmail.com (Ethan)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 09:18:19 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] Jira
In-Reply-To: <f81b1251003020608t24328030ka6dafd91aae5ced@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f81b1251003020332h10ea89a9obd258c39e60d4b5b@mail.gmail.com> 
	<b7bf92f01003020557t4133fe19na5e39a2821a76e67@mail.gmail.com> 
	<f81b1251003020608t24328030ka6dafd91aae5ced@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f58506c41003020618o4830b0b0hf18dc972c29e5dd9@mail.gmail.com>

It seems like this could be automated.
If only somebody could create a tool that would automate a browser so that a
human being didn't have to copy data into each field, over and over, for
every ticket. But, alas, I can't imagine how such a thing would ever come to
be.

On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 09:08, ?eljko Filipin
<zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch>wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Jarmo <jarmo.p at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Why there's no other option? Can't we start using
> > http://lighthouseapp.com/ or something similar?
>
> We have discussed that recently. The problem is in moving the old tickets
> there. I am not opposed to the idea of moving.
>
> ?eljko
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wtr-development mailing list
> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
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From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch  Tue Mar  2 09:50:59 2010
From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 15:50:59 +0100
Subject: [Wtr-development] Jira
In-Reply-To: <f58506c41003020618o4830b0b0hf18dc972c29e5dd9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f81b1251003020332h10ea89a9obd258c39e60d4b5b@mail.gmail.com> 
	<b7bf92f01003020557t4133fe19na5e39a2821a76e67@mail.gmail.com> 
	<f81b1251003020608t24328030ka6dafd91aae5ced@mail.gmail.com> 
	<f58506c41003020618o4830b0b0hf18dc972c29e5dd9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f81b1251003020650l63f45917h44084ad0682be22c@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Ethan <notethan at gmail.com> wrote:
> If only somebody could create a tool that would automate a browser

:)

If we move, we should also create accounts for all users that created a
ticket, so we can contact them if we need more information, and so they
could get notified when the ticket is changed (resolved, closed...).

?eljko
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From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch  Tue Mar  2 17:40:16 2010
From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 23:40:16 +0100
Subject: [Wtr-development] Watir Podcast #32: Brent Strange
Message-ID: <f81b1251003021440p3bf1f04cn5287b97a7e3254dc@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I have just published Watir Podcast #32. Gregg and I talk with Brent Strange
on his blog post Testing in 2009, a Year in Review.

http://bit.ly/aklyFZ

?eljko
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From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch  Wed Mar  3 05:07:17 2010
From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 11:07:17 +0100
Subject: [Wtr-development] Resolved tickets in Jira
In-Reply-To: <f81b1251002220345y42258977q88d2326ae9c22eaa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f81b1251002220345y42258977q88d2326ae9c22eaa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f81b1251003030207l8268de2t549fe483298816b8@mail.gmail.com>

Since reporters can not close tickets, I have closed all resolved tickets.

?eljko
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From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch  Thu Mar  4 06:15:04 2010
From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 12:15:04 +0100
Subject: [Wtr-development] [wtr-general] Watir 1.6.5.rc1 - release
	candidate available for testing
In-Reply-To: <f81b1250910091421g6b84d1e7i4f557b956c980746@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f96821860910051237p5e117134kb73ddd0ec40994de@mail.gmail.com> 
	<f81b1250910090704p6694b384j760927445af7631@mail.gmail.com> 
	<f81b1250910091421g6b84d1e7i4f557b956c980746@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f81b1251003040315j5f0ddae5sf8f9d8ca4a338d2b@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 10:21 PM, ?eljko Filipin <
zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch> wrote:
> "gem update --system --no-rdoc --no-ri" took a long time too, but probably
only 1/3 or 1/2 of full install, I did not measure.

I have added this text to http://watir.com/installation/:

*Tip:* While updating RubyGems <http://rubygems.org/>, you can use gem
update --system --no-rdoc --no-ri instead of gem update --system. It will be
much faster, but you will not install RDoc <http://rdoc.sourceforge.net/>and
ri <http://www.caliban.org/ruby/rubyguide.shtml#ri>.

Please let me know if you think it should be changed or removed.

?eljko
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From abaird at bairdsnet.net  Thu Mar  4 13:04:41 2010
From: abaird at bairdsnet.net (Alan Baird)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 12:04:41 -0600
Subject: [Wtr-development] Recommended Ruby Version
In-Reply-To: <2a379a301003041002q7fde6ff2o16ea8fcaf954b8b3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ade75c5b1002240731y5faae76dqeff98a7afb5a1947@mail.gmail.com>
	<f58506c41002250800i7cf5a6c1jddf05555e44ebe7@mail.gmail.com>
	<16bf298e1002251438i6ef898fcn1918daa920de7710@mail.gmail.com>
	<ade75c5b1002251544gbddf28cp7596dbd1d2352b21@mail.gmail.com>
	<b7bf92f01002260331l9a1ff0bk9bb90b7bc38f6aa1@mail.gmail.com>
	<73e7817e1002261231y6bd40754sfdf6548dea3c1750@mail.gmail.com>
	<b7bf92f01002280223u7f22d9a7vb6067b82096fce43@mail.gmail.com>
	<f96821861002281455k4841e7c1ua828ecdd3d3d3f70@mail.gmail.com>
	<16bf298e1002281458m14dafe61sa7753269d947fb48@mail.gmail.com>
	<2a379a301003041002q7fde6ff2o16ea8fcaf954b8b3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2a379a301003041004w19f7374fh6d8c4079f620755a@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry everyone, I couldn't find the new thread for 1.8.6.27.  I defineitely
recommend against this.  I had to re-install ruby on a buch of vms a few
days ago because this is still an issue.  I am using the method Jim
suggested in his email to decide if 1.8.6.27 is still failing and it still
does.

Alan

On Feb 28, 2010 4:59 PM, "Alister Scott" <alister.scott at gmail.com> wrote:

Sounds like a good idea to me.

Cheers,

Alister




On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 8:55 AM, Charley Baker <charley.baker at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Nothing person...

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From tim.koops at gmail.com  Thu Mar  4 16:29:55 2010
From: tim.koops at gmail.com (Tim Koopmans)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 08:29:55 +1100
Subject: [Wtr-development] [wtr-general] Watir 1.6.5.rc1 - release
	candidate available for testing
In-Reply-To: <f81b1251003040315j5f0ddae5sf8f9d8ca4a338d2b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f96821860910051237p5e117134kb73ddd0ec40994de@mail.gmail.com>
	<f81b1250910090704p6694b384j760927445af7631@mail.gmail.com>
	<f81b1250910091421g6b84d1e7i4f557b956c980746@mail.gmail.com>
	<f81b1251003040315j5f0ddae5sf8f9d8ca4a338d2b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <93ee69e91003041329w45db91cfg2fa785b8e91c9e8a@mail.gmail.com>

Makes sense to me, I've been doing this all the time to speed things up.

It depends though how you intend to use it, as in
development/debugging, or just production-run-as-fast-as-you-can type
mode ...

 How much memory you have also seems to affect how long it takes to
update. On a 'slow' system profile memory to see if you are hitting
any bottlenecks. I've noticed this on VMs with limited ram.

Cheers
Tim

On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 10:15 PM, ?eljko Filipin
<zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch> wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 10:21 PM, ?eljko Filipin
> <zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch> wrote:
>> "gem update --system --no-rdoc --no-ri" took a long time too, but probably
>> only 1/3 or 1/2 of full install, I did not measure.
>
> I have added this text to http://watir.com/installation/:
>
> Tip: While updating RubyGems, you can use gem update --system --no-rdoc
> --no-ri instead of gem update --system. It will be much faster, but you will
> not install RDoc and ri.
>
> Please let me know if you think it should be changed or removed.
>
> ?eljko
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wtr-development mailing list
> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
>

From charley.baker at gmail.com  Thu Mar  4 19:37:01 2010
From: charley.baker at gmail.com (Charley Baker)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 17:37:01 -0700
Subject: [Wtr-development] [wtr-general] Watir 1.6.5.rc1 - release
	candidate available for testing
In-Reply-To: <93ee69e91003041329w45db91cfg2fa785b8e91c9e8a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f96821860910051237p5e117134kb73ddd0ec40994de@mail.gmail.com>
	<f81b1250910090704p6694b384j760927445af7631@mail.gmail.com>
	<f81b1250910091421g6b84d1e7i4f557b956c980746@mail.gmail.com>
	<f81b1251003040315j5f0ddae5sf8f9d8ca4a338d2b@mail.gmail.com>
	<93ee69e91003041329w45db91cfg2fa785b8e91c9e8a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f96821861003041637y2c92490bi97e5395c4716f078@mail.gmail.com>

I actually do that as well for all of our gems, currently everything is
checked into svn, and the docs and ri info are never used locally. It takes
up too much space and haven't seen the need for it.

-Charley

On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Tim Koopmans <tim.koops at gmail.com> wrote:

> Makes sense to me, I've been doing this all the time to speed things up.
>
> It depends though how you intend to use it, as in
> development/debugging, or just production-run-as-fast-as-you-can type
> mode ...
>
>  How much memory you have also seems to affect how long it takes to
> update. On a 'slow' system profile memory to see if you are hitting
> any bottlenecks. I've noticed this on VMs with limited ram.
>
> Cheers
> Tim
>
> On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 10:15 PM, ?eljko Filipin
> <zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch> wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 10:21 PM, ?eljko Filipin
> > <zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch> wrote:
> >> "gem update --system --no-rdoc --no-ri" took a long time too, but
> probably
> >> only 1/3 or 1/2 of full install, I did not measure.
> >
> > I have added this text to http://watir.com/installation/:
> >
> > Tip: While updating RubyGems, you can use gem update --system --no-rdoc
> > --no-ri instead of gem update --system. It will be much faster, but you
> will
> > not install RDoc and ri.
> >
> > Please let me know if you think it should be changed or removed.
> >
> > ?eljko
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wtr-development mailing list
> > Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Wtr-development mailing list
> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
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From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch  Fri Mar  5 04:22:29 2010
From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 10:22:29 +0100
Subject: [Wtr-development] [wtr-general] Watir 1.6.5.rc1 - release
	candidate available for testing
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On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 10:29 PM, Tim Koopmans <tim.koops at gmail.com> wrote:
>  How much memory you have also seems to affect how long it takes to
> update. On a 'slow' system profile memory to see if you are hitting
> any bottlenecks. I've noticed this on VMs with limited ram.

That could be the problem. I am usually working in a VM with 512 MB RAM.

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From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch  Fri Mar  5 04:26:56 2010
From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 10:26:56 +0100
Subject: [Wtr-development] [wtr-general] Watir 1.6.5.rc1 - release
	candidate available for testing
In-Reply-To: <f96821861003041637y2c92490bi97e5395c4716f078@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f96821860910051237p5e117134kb73ddd0ec40994de@mail.gmail.com> 
	<f81b1250910090704p6694b384j760927445af7631@mail.gmail.com> 
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2010/3/5 Charley Baker <charley.baker at gmail.com>
> I actually do that as well for all of our gems, currently everything is
checked into svn, and the docs and ri info are never used locally. It takes
up too much space and haven't seen the need for it.

I do not think I have ever used rdoc locally or ri, and I use ruby for a few
years. I just think it is faster to find the documentation online. Should we
make `--no-rdoc --no-ri` the default for gem update and gem install watir,
and then mention that you can remove it if you would like rdoc and ri?

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From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch  Fri Mar  5 06:19:01 2010
From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 12:19:01 +0100
Subject: [Wtr-development] [wtr-general] Re: Answering incomplete
	requests
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On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com> wrote:
> I think we need a page called "Support" at http://watir.com/
> It should include Watir General, IRC, Jira and Stack Overflow.

Done. The page is not finished yet, I will work more on it next week.
Feedback is welcome.

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From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 13:46:11 +0100
Subject: [Wtr-development] [wtr-general] Re: Answering incomplete
	requests
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On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:19 PM, ?eljko Filipin <
zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch> wrote:
> Done. The page is not finished yet, I will work more on it next week.
Feedback is welcome.

I did not post the link:

http://watir.com/support/

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From jasnow at hotmail.com  Sun Mar  7 19:01:46 2010
From: jasnow at hotmail.com (Al Snow)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 19:01:46 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] Suggest Watir-Related BugMash for April 2010
Message-ID: <BLU105-W70A1C464BF7491FFF3458C1350@phx.gbl>


Folks,
     I would like to help organize a Watir-related
BugMash, for the weekend of April 3rd, similar
to the recent Rails event (http://bugmash.com/).

It would focus on Watir, WatirSpec, and Webdriver-Watir/
Selenium-Webdriver tool to report, reproduce, fix, 
and submit patches/commits. Hopefully we can
include adding safari driver to webdriver-watir.
(http://railsbridge.org/news_items/9)
(https://rails.lighthouseapp.com/projects/8994/sending-patches)

What do you think?

If you think this is a good idea, please
email me and volunteer to help.

Thanks,
Al



 		 	   		  
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From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch  Mon Mar  8 05:46:30 2010
From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 11:46:30 +0100
Subject: [Wtr-development] Suggest Watir-Related BugMash for April 2010
In-Reply-To: <BLU105-W70A1C464BF7491FFF3458C1350@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU105-W70A1C464BF7491FFF3458C1350@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <f81b1251003080246h47f9d807w5f71c45d3ba2d306@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 1:01 AM, Al Snow <jasnow at hotmail.com> wrote:
>      I would like to help organize a Watir-related
> BugMash, for the weekend of April 3rd

You are aware it is Easter weekend? In some parts of the world (Croatia, for
example) it is a major holiday (like Christmas).

> It would focus on Watir, WatirSpec, and Webdriver-Watir/
> Selenium-Webdriver tool to report, reproduce, fix,
> and submit patches/commits. Hopefully we can
> include adding safari driver to webdriver-watir.

Sounds interesting. Would documentation be considered as a contribution?

I am for it, but not on the weekend of April 3rd.

?eljko
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From marekj.com at gmail.com  Mon Mar  8 14:11:17 2010
From: marekj.com at gmail.com (marekj)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 13:11:17 -0600
Subject: [Wtr-development] [wtr-general] Watir 1.6.5.rc1 - release
	candidate available for testing
In-Reply-To: <f81b1251003050126o3aa1ab50s55e3278f046469f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f96821860910051237p5e117134kb73ddd0ec40994de@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 3:26 AM, ?eljko Filipin
<zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch> wrote:
> 2010/3/5 Charley Baker <charley.baker at gmail.com>

> Should we
> make `--no-rdoc --no-ri` the default for gem update and gem install watir,
> and then mention that you can remove it if you would like rdoc and ri?
>
> ?eljko

a big NO. Stay with standard gem install and let the user decide with
the .gemrc config.
http://docs.rubygems.org/read/chapter/11

example of my gemrc entries
gem: --no-ri
rdoc: --inline-source --line-numbers --format=html --template=hanna

this ensures each gem install omits ri and forces he hanna template
for rdoc generation for all gems.


marekj

Watirloo: Semantic Page Objects in UseCases
http://github.com/marekj/watirloo/
Support Watir Project http://pledgie.com/campaigns/2982



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From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch  Mon Mar  8 15:38:53 2010
From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 21:38:53 +0100
Subject: [Wtr-development] [wtr-general] Watir 1.6.5.rc1 - release
	candidate available for testing
In-Reply-To: <ad6790aa1003081111w8e658e7p9af12a3ed4f9100c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f96821860910051237p5e117134kb73ddd0ec40994de@mail.gmail.com> 
	<f81b1250910090704p6694b384j760927445af7631@mail.gmail.com> 
	<f81b1250910091421g6b84d1e7i4f557b956c980746@mail.gmail.com> 
	<f81b1251003040315j5f0ddae5sf8f9d8ca4a338d2b@mail.gmail.com> 
	<93ee69e91003041329w45db91cfg2fa785b8e91c9e8a@mail.gmail.com> 
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On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 8:11 PM, marekj <marekj.com at gmail.com> wrote:
> a big NO.

Then it stays as it is. :)

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From marekj.com at gmail.com  Mon Mar  8 18:56:34 2010
From: marekj.com at gmail.com (marekj)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 17:56:34 -0600
Subject: [Wtr-development] [wtr-general] Watir 1.6.5.rc1 - release
	candidate available for testing
In-Reply-To: <f81b1251003081238h3fff2febida224ec97cd159c1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f96821860910051237p5e117134kb73ddd0ec40994de@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <ad6790aa1003081556p65266b31j61e9aa42d7077e5f@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks,
and I use rdoc locally a lot with a bdoc gem that generates javascript TOC
http://github.com/manalang/bdoc
really nice fast rdoc lookup

marekj

Watirloo: Semantic Page Objects in UseCases
http://github.com/marekj/watirloo/
Support Watir Project http://pledgie.com/campaigns/2982



On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 2:38 PM, ?eljko Filipin
<zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch> wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 8:11 PM, marekj <marekj.com at gmail.com> wrote:
>> a big NO.
>
> Then it stays as it is. :)
>
> ?eljko
>
>
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From jasnow at hotmail.com  Mon Mar  8 20:50:42 2010
From: jasnow at hotmail.com (Al Snow)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 20:50:42 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] FW: Suggest Watir-Related BugMash for April 2010
In-Reply-To: <BLU105-W70A1C464BF7491FFF3458C1350@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU105-W70A1C464BF7491FFF3458C1350@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BLU105-W139EDAC9F2C3E363B83A44C1340@phx.gbl>


Updates.
   -- New Date (now April 10th)
   -- New Event Name: Watir Hack Fest
   -- Add: Documentation contribution are welcome too.
   -- How can I improve this event?

From: jasnow at hotmail.com
To: wtr-development at rubyforge.org
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 19:01:46 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] Suggest Watir Hack Fest for April 2010








Folks,
     I would like to help organize a Watir-related
BugMash, for April 10th (one day), similar to
the recent Rails event (http://bugmash.com/).

It would focus on Watir, WatirSpec, and Webdriver-Watir/
Selenium-Webdriver tool to report, reproduce, fix, 
and submit patches/commits. Hopefully we can
include adding safari driver to webdriver-watir.
(http://railsbridge.org/news_items/9)
(https://rails.lighthouseapp.com/projects/8994/sending-patches)

What do you think?

How can I improve this event?

Thanks,
Al



 		 	   		  
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From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch  Tue Mar  9 04:53:03 2010
From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 10:53:03 +0100
Subject: [Wtr-development] Google Summer of Code (TM)
Message-ID: <f81b1251003090153r5ac33554q5af9a6b9ec3c49f0@mail.gmail.com>

Are we ready this year to mentor a student or six to help us develop Watir?

http://googlecode.blogspot.com/2010/03/open-source-projects-apply-for-google.html

?eljko
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From igus.mail at gmail.com  Tue Mar  9 05:07:36 2010
From: igus.mail at gmail.com (mark oshea)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 11:07:36 +0100
Subject: [Wtr-development] FW: Suggest Watir-Related BugMash for April
	2010
In-Reply-To: <BLU105-W139EDAC9F2C3E363B83A44C1340@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU105-W70A1C464BF7491FFF3458C1350@phx.gbl>
	<BLU105-W139EDAC9F2C3E363B83A44C1340@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <5cd86da1003090207i1e6b0ac7h8e9a05a27fef0f7c@mail.gmail.com>

Hey all.
I would like to get involved in this as well.
For the bug mash, is there going to be some organization on which bugs to
focus on?
For myself, I know the bug tracking system can be a little flaky in finding
which bugs definitely need work, and which just need to be committed. It
would be cool to have a list of bugs that need to be worked on for each
project, all in one place.

Mark

On 9 March 2010 02:50, Al Snow <jasnow at hotmail.com> wrote:

>  *Updates.
>    -- New Date (now April 10th)
>    -- New Event Name: Watir Hack Fest
>    -- Add: Documentation contribution are welcome too.
> *   -- *How can I improve this event?*
>
> ------------------------------
> From: jasnow at hotmail.com
> To: wtr-development at rubyforge.org
> Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 19:01:46 -0500
> Subject: [Wtr-development] Suggest Watir Hack Fest for April 2010
>
>
> Folks,
>      I would like to help organize a Watir-related
> BugMash, for April 10th (one day), similar to
>
> the recent Rails event (http://bugmash.com/).
>
> It would focus on Watir, WatirSpec, and Webdriver-Watir/
> Selenium-Webdriver tool to report, reproduce, fix,
> and submit patches/commits. Hopefully we can
> include adding safari driver to webdriver-watir.
> (http://railsbridge.org/news_items/9)
> (https://rails.lighthouseapp.com/projects/8994/sending-patches)
>
> *What do you think?*
>
> *How can I improve this event?*
>
>
> Thanks,
> Al
>
>
>
>
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From jasnow at hotmail.com  Tue Mar  9 21:03:24 2010
From: jasnow at hotmail.com (Al Snow)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 21:03:24 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] FW: Suggest Watir HackFest for April 2010
In-Reply-To: <5cd86da1003090207i1e6b0ac7h8e9a05a27fef0f7c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BLU105-W70A1C464BF7491FFF3458C1350@phx.gbl>,
	<BLU105-W139EDAC9F2C3E363B83A44C1340@phx.gbl>,
	<5cd86da1003090207i1e6b0ac7h8e9a05a27fef0f7c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU105-W27858C1F47038E7CC8675C1330@phx.gbl>


Mark,
      Thanks for being the 2nd person to respond.
If someone would like to head this triage, please send me email.

Thanks,
Al Snow

Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 11:07:36 +0100
From: igus.mail at gmail.com
To: wtr-development at rubyforge.org
Subject: Re: [Wtr-development] FW: Suggest Watir-Related BugMash for April	2010

Hey all.
I would like to get involved in this as well.
For the bug mash, is there going to be some organization on which bugs to focus on?
For myself, I know the bug tracking system can be a little flaky in finding which bugs 
definitely need work, and which just need to be committed. It would be cool to have 
a list of bugs that need to be worked on for each project, all in one place.


Mark 

On 9 March 2010 02:50, Al Snow <jasnow at hotmail.com> wrote:






Updates.
   -- New Date (now April 10th)
   -- New Event Name: Watir Hack Fest
   -- Add: Documentation contribution are welcome too.
   -- How can I improve this event?


From: jasnow at hotmail.com
To: wtr-development at rubyforge.org
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 19:01:46 -0500

Subject: [Wtr-development] Suggest Watir Hack Fest for April 2010








Folks,
     I would like to help organize a Watir-related
BugMash, for April 10th (one day), similar to
the recent Rails event (http://bugmash.com/).


It would focus on Watir, WatirSpec, and Webdriver-Watir/
Selenium-Webdriver tool to report, reproduce, fix, 
and submit patches/commits. Hopefully we can
include adding safari driver to webdriver-watir.
(http://railsbridge.org/news_items/9)

(https://rails.lighthouseapp.com/projects/8994/sending-patches)

What do you think?


How can I improve this event?

Thanks,
Al

 		 	   		  
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From bret at pettichord.com  Wed Mar 10 00:13:45 2010
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 23:13:45 -0600
Subject: [Wtr-development] Where we stand now
Message-ID: <ade75c5b1003092113h5df0c2c8ye73fe1d315df9846@mail.gmail.com>

A couple of people have recently posted notes asking for help with
leadership on initiatives (bugmash, summer of code), so I figured I should
chime in.

Back in December, we had some heavy discussions about Jira and how to make
that work better for this. Just as we were coming to some clear conclusions,
Jira was taken down by spammers. In the past month, it's been brought back,
but we need to pick up where we left off. I know Zeljko has been doing some
work cleaning out some old stuff in Jira -- thanks for that.

In November/December we also hashed out some plans on Watir 1.7 and Watir
2.0.

Personally, I got very busy since the new year with my day job at Convio. I
am part of a small team developing a very exciting new product line which we
will be released this month to our first customers. In fact if you take a
close look at this marketing video, you will see my test data in the
background.
http://www.convio.com/common-ground/videos/online-fundraising.html

Because of this, I've had little or no time for the Watir project and in
fact have quite a backlog of emails, patches and pull-requests to attend
after our product ships. I am using Watir everyday, and in fact have even
released enhancements to Watir because we needed a better way of avoiding
the dreaded Access Denied error.
http://github.com/bret/watir/commit/4321488495d4130b68388c15b2d6e067bbadc10a

Bret

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Lead Developer, Watir, www.watir.com

Blog, www.io.com/~wazmo/blog
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From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch  Wed Mar 10 04:26:52 2010
From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 10:26:52 +0100
Subject: [Wtr-development] FW: Suggest Watir HackFest for April 2010
In-Reply-To: <BLU105-W27858C1F47038E7CC8675C1330@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU105-W70A1C464BF7491FFF3458C1350@phx.gbl>
	<BLU105-W139EDAC9F2C3E363B83A44C1340@phx.gbl> 
	<5cd86da1003090207i1e6b0ac7h8e9a05a27fef0f7c@mail.gmail.com> 
	<BLU105-W27858C1F47038E7CC8675C1330@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <f81b1251003100126y64fba1d8tc92b15db71a7430e@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 3:03 AM, Al Snow <jasnow at hotmail.com> wrote:
> which bugs to focus on?

Whatever you think should be fixed. :)

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From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch  Wed Mar 10 04:29:38 2010
From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 10:29:38 +0100
Subject: [Wtr-development] Google Summer of Code (TM)
In-Reply-To: <f81b1251003090153r5ac33554q5af9a6b9ec3c49f0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f81b1251003090153r5ac33554q5af9a6b9ec3c49f0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f81b1251003100129q7a61edafiaee8a78502e13650@mail.gmail.com>

If anybody is interested, this is how Selenium people are organized for
Google Summer of Code (TM):

http://groups.google.com/group/selenium-developers/browse_thread/thread/a80b5dd1610a8ca4?hl=en

?eljko
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From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch  Wed Mar 10 06:25:44 2010
From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 12:25:44 +0100
Subject: [Wtr-development] BSD license
In-Reply-To: <f81b1250910230119w179c6644y4f0f5f757374fbc5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <93ee69e90910220303j83c0022m7d390fc03ef14e9@mail.gmail.com> 
	<ade75c5b0910221810s422b2c4dn7abc622b11d434f3@mail.gmail.com> 
	<f81b1250910230119w179c6644y4f0f5f757374fbc5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f81b1251003100325v7e0daab8t984951858116c5c4@mail.gmail.com>

I am resurrecting this old thread, because I was browsing my mail archives
in search for Watir license, and I found it.

http://watir.com/ says (in the sidebar) Watir uses BSD.

http://github.com/bret/watir/blob/master/watir/lib/license.rb has "(based on
BSD Open Source License)"

http://github.com/bret/watir/blob/master/commonwatir/README.txt has "(The
MIT License)"

I am just a bit confused.

(I am preparing for a talk on Watir next week.)

?eljko
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From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch  Wed Mar 10 07:28:45 2010
From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 13:28:45 +0100
Subject: [Wtr-development] gem install watir after a clean ruby install
Message-ID: <f81b1251003100428r232bf15bg5e756dc415ca65c@mail.gmail.com>

I have just installed Ruby (ruby 1.8.6 (2007-09-24 patchlevel 111)
[i386-mswin32]), updated rubygems and installed Watir:

C:\>gem install watir --no-rdoc --no-ri
...
Successfully installed win32-api-1.4.6-x86-mswin32-60
Successfully installed windows-api-0.4.0
Successfully installed windows-pr-1.0.9
Successfully installed win32-process-0.6.2
Successfully installed xml-simple-1.0.12
Successfully installed json_pure-1.2.2
Successfully installed rubyforge-2.0.4
Successfully installed gemcutter-0.5.0
Successfully installed rake-0.8.7
Successfully installed hoe-2.5.0
Successfully installed s4t-utils-1.0.4
Successfully installed builder-2.1.2
Successfully installed user-choices-1.1.6.1
Successfully installed commonwatir-1.6.5
Successfully installed firewatir-1.6.5
Successfully installed nokogiri-1.4.1-x86-mswin32
Successfully installed watir-1.6.5
17 gems installed

It installed 17 gems with it. I was just surprised, I did not know we have
so much dependencies. Not that it matters, it installs just fine.

?eljko
--
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From bret at pettichord.com  Wed Mar 10 10:34:05 2010
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 09:34:05 -0600
Subject: [Wtr-development] BSD license
In-Reply-To: <f81b1251003100325v7e0daab8t984951858116c5c4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <93ee69e90910220303j83c0022m7d390fc03ef14e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<ade75c5b0910221810s422b2c4dn7abc622b11d434f3@mail.gmail.com>
	<f81b1250910230119w179c6644y4f0f5f757374fbc5@mail.gmail.com>
	<f81b1251003100325v7e0daab8t984951858116c5c4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ade75c5b1003100734q1cc6cbcal2fb1715a5bc37ad1@mail.gmail.com>

You should say that Watir has a BSD license.

It looks like I accidently put an MIT license on commonwatir. You can change
that to BSD if you want. That file was autogenerated.

There is little or no practical difference between these licenses.

Bret

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 5:25 AM, ?eljko Filipin <
zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch> wrote:

> I am resurrecting this old thread, because I was browsing my mail archives
> in search for Watir license, and I found it.
>
> http://watir.com/ says (in the sidebar) Watir uses BSD.
>
> http://github.com/bret/watir/blob/master/watir/lib/license.rb has "(based
> on BSD Open Source License)"
>
> http://github.com/bret/watir/blob/master/commonwatir/README.txt has "(The
> MIT License)"
>
> I am just a bit confused.
>
> (I am preparing for a talk on Watir next week.)
>
> ?eljko
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wtr-development mailing list
> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
>



-- 
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Lead Developer, Watir, www.watir.com

Blog, www.io.com/~wazmo/blog
Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord
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From bret at pettichord.com  Wed Mar 10 10:35:56 2010
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 09:35:56 -0600
Subject: [Wtr-development] gem install watir after a clean ruby install
In-Reply-To: <f81b1251003100428r232bf15bg5e756dc415ca65c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f81b1251003100428r232bf15bg5e756dc415ca65c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ade75c5b1003100735j3c71f8d1sa848aa2af9ed34d@mail.gmail.com>

There is a "gem dependencies" that will show you the network of dependencies
if you want to know more about this.

Bret

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 6:28 AM, ?eljko Filipin <
zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch> wrote:

> I have just installed Ruby (ruby 1.8.6 (2007-09-24 patchlevel 111)
> [i386-mswin32]), updated rubygems and installed Watir:
>
> C:\>gem install watir --no-rdoc --no-ri
> ...
> Successfully installed win32-api-1.4.6-x86-mswin32-60
> Successfully installed windows-api-0.4.0
> Successfully installed windows-pr-1.0.9
> Successfully installed win32-process-0.6.2
> Successfully installed xml-simple-1.0.12
> Successfully installed json_pure-1.2.2
> Successfully installed rubyforge-2.0.4
> Successfully installed gemcutter-0.5.0
> Successfully installed rake-0.8.7
> Successfully installed hoe-2.5.0
> Successfully installed s4t-utils-1.0.4
> Successfully installed builder-2.1.2
> Successfully installed user-choices-1.1.6.1
> Successfully installed commonwatir-1.6.5
> Successfully installed firewatir-1.6.5
> Successfully installed nokogiri-1.4.1-x86-mswin32
> Successfully installed watir-1.6.5
> 17 gems installed
>
> It installed 17 gems with it. I was just surprised, I did not know we have
> so much dependencies. Not that it matters, it installs just fine.
>
> ?eljko
> --
> watir.com - community manager
> pledgie.com/campaigns/2982 - donate to Watir
> watirpodcast.com - host
> testingpodcast.com - audio podcasts on software testing. all of them
>
>
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From bret at pettichord.com  Wed Mar 10 10:38:11 2010
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 09:38:11 -0600
Subject: [Wtr-development] FW: Suggest Watir HackFest for April 2010
In-Reply-To: <f81b1251003100126y64fba1d8tc92b15db71a7430e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BLU105-W70A1C464BF7491FFF3458C1350@phx.gbl>
	<BLU105-W139EDAC9F2C3E363B83A44C1340@phx.gbl>
	<5cd86da1003090207i1e6b0ac7h8e9a05a27fef0f7c@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU105-W27858C1F47038E7CC8675C1330@phx.gbl>
	<f81b1251003100126y64fba1d8tc92b15db71a7430e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ade75c5b1003100738l395bfe00j12caa6ee91f576b4@mail.gmail.com>

Maybe ask the users?

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 3:26 AM, ?eljko Filipin <
zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch> wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 3:03 AM, Al Snow <jasnow at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > which bugs to focus on?
>
> Whatever you think should be fixed. :)
>
> ?eljko
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wtr-development mailing list
> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
>



-- 
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Lead Developer, Watir, www.watir.com

Blog, www.io.com/~wazmo/blog
Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord
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From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch  Wed Mar 10 10:48:04 2010
From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 16:48:04 +0100
Subject: [Wtr-development] BSD license
In-Reply-To: <ade75c5b1003100734q1cc6cbcal2fb1715a5bc37ad1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <93ee69e90910220303j83c0022m7d390fc03ef14e9@mail.gmail.com> 
	<ade75c5b0910221810s422b2c4dn7abc622b11d434f3@mail.gmail.com> 
	<f81b1250910230119w179c6644y4f0f5f757374fbc5@mail.gmail.com> 
	<f81b1251003100325v7e0daab8t984951858116c5c4@mail.gmail.com> 
	<ade75c5b1003100734q1cc6cbcal2fb1715a5bc37ad1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f81b1251003100748p6b350b55v6a974db98f29e195@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 4:34 PM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>
wrote:
> You should say that Watir has a BSD license.

Thanks, will do.

> It looks like I accidently put an MIT license on commonwatir.

I thought so, but I wanted to be sure.

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From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch  Wed Mar 10 10:49:47 2010
From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 16:49:47 +0100
Subject: [Wtr-development] gem install watir after a clean ruby install
In-Reply-To: <ade75c5b1003100735j3c71f8d1sa848aa2af9ed34d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f81b1251003100428r232bf15bg5e756dc415ca65c@mail.gmail.com> 
	<ade75c5b1003100735j3c71f8d1sa848aa2af9ed34d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f81b1251003100749x5466dfe0ga60dd8eb4584c565@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 4:35 PM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>
wrote:
> There is a "gem dependencies"

Thanks, I did not know about that.

For those interested:

http://docs.rubygems.org/read/chapter/10#page78

Example:

C:\>gem dependency watir
Gem watir-1.6.5
  commonwatir (= 1.6.5, runtime)
  firewatir (= 1.6.5, runtime)
  nokogiri (>= 0, runtime)
  win32-process (>= 0.5.5, runtime)
  windows-pr (>= 0.6.6, runtime)

?eljko
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From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch  Thu Mar 11 05:07:26 2010
From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:07:26 +0100
Subject: [Wtr-development] Watij on Watir Podcast
Message-ID: <f81b1251003110207t2ef713d9q7cc04ccf3b863bbd@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I am recording a podcast with Jake Dempsey on Watij (watij.com) this Friday.
If you have a question or six for Jake, ask.

?eljko
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From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch  Thu Mar 11 05:53:01 2010
From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:53:01 +0100
Subject: [Wtr-development] Watir Support
Message-ID: <f81b1251003110253v5e14e86eu5b8f56cfce06e568@mail.gmail.com>

I have recently been working on Watir Support pages. We had some text on how
to get support at several places:

- footer of every e-mail sent from watir-general
- welcome message at http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general/
- wiki page at http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/Support
- recentlycreated Support page at Watir site at http://watir.com/support/

I have:

- slighly changed footer to point to watir.com/support.
- simplified welcome text at watir-general, deleted some irrelevant text and
moved the rest to wiki page.

My next step will be to polish up support pages at wiki and web site.

Not related, but while I was looking at watir-general settings, I have found
that we have 10 or some random files there, uploaded by users. Since we have
disabled files (and pages) at watir-general a long time ago I have deleted
all files. I took a look at them before I have delete them, and I did not
find anything useful.

?eljko
--
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From simon.m.stewart at gmail.com  Sun Mar 14 14:31:50 2010
From: simon.m.stewart at gmail.com (Simon Stewart)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:31:50 +0000
Subject: [Wtr-development] My work on watir-webdriver (especially safari
	driver)
In-Reply-To: <BLU105-W109A76534E79D9001F6DE3C13D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU105-W109A76534E79D9001F6DE3C13D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <77aa50681003141131h1b91d657x6a5e79b05af27213@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Al,

My apologies for the slow response to this email, and for the brevity
of this reply: I've a stack of emails to read and reply to, but this
one seems important.

You're not the only one who's interested in getting better safari
support up and running in webdriver. There's some work (mostly
co-ordinated by Andrian Kurniady) being done on this branch:

http://code.google.com/p/selenium/source/browse/#svn/branches/safari

The approach that they're using is to hook into the browser itself,
rather than using Apple Events, which is interesting, though
technically challenging. I'd be happy to make any introductions that
would help.

Regards,

Simon

On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Al Snow <jasnow at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Everyone,
> ??? For the past several weeks, I have been working with the new version
> of Watir (watir-webdriver). I have documented my journey on my wiki
> and one of my blogs (Chapters 51-58, see last one for current summary).
>
> Now it is time to check in and verify what other people have been doing
> in this area (especially with the safari driver for watir-webdriver) and
> see if other people would like to help to create a "branch" (fork)
> for this work.
>
> I will update my blog with the responses and post to
> the wtr-development and webdriver e-groups.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Al Snow
> Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/alsnow
> Google Talk: jasnow1
> Twitter: jasnow
>
> PS. Remember to include :
> ??? Twitter: @safariwatir
> ??? IRC: #watir
> ??? E-groups:
> ??????? wtr-development at rubyforge.org
> ??????? watir-general at googlegroups.com
> ??????? webdriver at googlegroups.com
> ??????? selenium-developers at googlegroups.com
> ??? Three main developers: Jari, Simon, Tom
> ??? <Did I forgive anyone?>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. Sign up
> now.

From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch  Tue Mar 16 06:46:53 2010
From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 11:46:53 +0100
Subject: [Wtr-development] Jira
In-Reply-To: <f81b1251003020332h10ea89a9obd258c39e60d4b5b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f81b1251003020332h10ea89a9obd258c39e60d4b5b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f81b1251003160346i5083f5aew912c2837e3f52344@mail.gmail.com>

I have bugged Patrick about Jira so much that he has decided to give me full
Jira admin access. :)

(Patrick, if you are reading this - thanks.)

He has already fixed the problem that reporters could not close resolved
tickets. I will take a look how to set up Watir Jira project so reporters
are notified by e-mail every time a ticket is changed.

Is there anything else that should be done?

Do we still think Chrome, Firefox and Safari driver should have separate
projects (or sub-projects, it there is such a thing) in Jira?

?eljko
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From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch  Wed Mar 17 06:45:51 2010
From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 11:45:51 +0100
Subject: [Wtr-development] Jira
In-Reply-To: <f81b1251003160346i5083f5aew912c2837e3f52344@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f81b1251003020332h10ea89a9obd258c39e60d4b5b@mail.gmail.com> 
	<f81b1251003160346i5083f5aew912c2837e3f52344@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f81b1251003170345y17be8783k1ff6cd8d4d196e9a@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 11:46 AM, ?eljko Filipin <
zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch> wrote:
> I will take a look how to set up Watir Jira project so reporters are
notified by e-mail every time a ticket is changed.

I have changed e-mail notification preferences for Watir project in Jira.
Every time a ticket is changed all watchers, reporter and current assignee
will get e-mail. Please let me know if you think it should be set up some
other way.

For more information:

http://confluence.atlassian.com/display/JIRA/Creating+a+Notification+Scheme

I took a look how Selenium project is set up and copied it. They also send
e-mail to selenium-developers every time ticket is changed. I have
subscribed jira at openqa.org to this list, but I think it has to be approved.

Bret, could you approve jira at openqa.org for a member of the list? That is,
if you think it would be a good idea to have Jira notifications sent here.

?eljko
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From bret at pettichord.com  Wed Mar 17 14:30:23 2010
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:30:23 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] Jira
In-Reply-To: <f81b1251003170345y17be8783k1ff6cd8d4d196e9a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f81b1251003020332h10ea89a9obd258c39e60d4b5b@mail.gmail.com>
	<f81b1251003160346i5083f5aew912c2837e3f52344@mail.gmail.com>
	<f81b1251003170345y17be8783k1ff6cd8d4d196e9a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ade75c5b1003171130v3b385aeenb65e466652f17aa9@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 5:45 AM, ?eljko Filipin <
zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch> wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 11:46 AM, ?eljko Filipin <
> zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch> wrote:
> > I will take a look how to set up Watir Jira project so reporters are
> notified by e-mail every time a ticket is changed.
>
> I have changed e-mail notification preferences for Watir project in Jira.
> Every time a ticket is changed all watchers, reporter and current assignee
> will get e-mail. Please let me know if you think it should be set up some
> other way.
>

Sounds good.


> For more information:
>
> http://confluence.atlassian.com/display/JIRA/Creating+a+Notification+Scheme
>
> I took a look how Selenium project is set up and copied it. They also send
> e-mail to selenium-developers every time ticket is changed. I have
> subscribed jira at openqa.org to this list, but I think it has to be
> approved.
>
> Bret, could you approve jira at openqa.org for a member of the list? That is,
> if you think it would be a good idea to have Jira notifications sent here.
>

I added this address to the list. Thanks.

Bret

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From bret at pettichord.com  Wed Mar 17 14:35:09 2010
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:35:09 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] Jira
In-Reply-To: <f81b1251003160346i5083f5aew912c2837e3f52344@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f81b1251003020332h10ea89a9obd258c39e60d4b5b@mail.gmail.com>
	<f81b1251003160346i5083f5aew912c2837e3f52344@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ade75c5b1003171135w407979b2g5723f94ce31bce2@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 5:46 AM, ?eljko Filipin <
zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch> wrote:

> I have bugged Patrick about Jira so much that he has decided to give me
> full Jira admin access. :)
>
> (Patrick, if you are reading this - thanks.)
>
> He has already fixed the problem that reporters could not close resolved
> tickets. I will take a look how to set up Watir Jira project so reporters
> are notified by e-mail every time a ticket is changed.
>
> Is there anything else that should be done?
>

We made a list of what we wanted to do back in December. I'll see if I can
find it.

Do we still think Chrome, Firefox and Safari driver should have separate
> projects (or sub-projects, it there is such a thing) in Jira?
>

Jira organizes issues by release. So we can't have stuff in the watir
project that isn't part of a watir release.

The firewatir and (ie)watir code should be in the same project (watir)
because they pertain to a code base that is released together.

Since the other projects are released on their own schedule, they need to be
in a separate project.

-- 
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Lead Developer, Watir, www.watir.com

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From bret at pettichord.com  Wed Mar 17 16:01:12 2010
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 15:01:12 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] Watir Support
In-Reply-To: <f81b1251003110253v5e14e86eu5b8f56cfce06e568@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f81b1251003110253v5e14e86eu5b8f56cfce06e568@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ade75c5b1003171301y20188440l793306ca953e8111@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for doing this.

On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 5:53 AM, ?eljko Filipin <
zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch> wrote:

> I have recently been working on Watir Support pages. We had some text on
> how to get support at several places:
>
> - footer of every e-mail sent from watir-general
> - welcome message at http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general/
> - wiki page at http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/Support
> - recentlycreated Support page at Watir site at http://watir.com/support/
>
> I have:
>
> - slighly changed footer to point to watir.com/support.
> - simplified welcome text at watir-general, deleted some irrelevant text
> and moved the rest to wiki page.
>
> My next step will be to polish up support pages at wiki and web site.
>
> Not related, but while I was looking at watir-general settings, I have
> found that we have 10 or some random files there, uploaded by users. Since
> we have disabled files (and pages) at watir-general a long time ago I have
> deleted all files. I took a look at them before I have delete them, and I
> did not find anything useful.
>
> ?eljko
> --
> watir.com - community manager
> pledgie.com/campaigns/2982 - donate to Watir
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> testingpodcast.com - audio podcasts on software testing. all of them
>
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From bret at pettichord.com  Wed Mar 17 19:10:44 2010
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 18:10:44 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] FW: Suggest Watir-Related BugMash for April
	2010
In-Reply-To: <BLU105-W139EDAC9F2C3E363B83A44C1340@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU105-W70A1C464BF7491FFF3458C1350@phx.gbl>
	<BLU105-W139EDAC9F2C3E363B83A44C1340@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <ade75c5b1003171610h6f751fb2k7b0c3fa413fb8f9e@mail.gmail.com>

I have a question.

Typically, you do a bug mash when you are close to making a new release. It
helps flush out bugs in the new release. Is this what is happening, or is
that why you changed the name to a Hack Fest? Are we getting close to
release of the watir-webdriver?

Bret



On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Al Snow <jasnow at hotmail.com> wrote:

>  *Updates.
>    -- New Date (now April 10th)
>    -- New Event Name: Watir Hack Fest
>    -- Add: Documentation contribution are welcome too.
> *   -- *How can I improve this event?*
>
> ------------------------------
> From: jasnow at hotmail.com
> To: wtr-development at rubyforge.org
> Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 19:01:46 -0500
> Subject: [Wtr-development] Suggest Watir Hack Fest for April 2010
>
>
> Folks,
>      I would like to help organize a Watir-related
> BugMash, for April 10th (one day), similar to
>
> the recent Rails event (http://bugmash.com/).
>
> It would focus on Watir, WatirSpec, and Webdriver-Watir/
> Selenium-Webdriver tool to report, reproduce, fix,
> and submit patches/commits. Hopefully we can
> include adding safari driver to webdriver-watir.
> (http://railsbridge.org/news_items/9)
> (https://rails.lighthouseapp.com/projects/8994/sending-patches)
>
> *What do you think?*
>
> *How can I improve this event?*
>
>
> Thanks,
> Al
>
>
>
>
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From jasnow at hotmail.com  Wed Mar 17 20:49:34 2010
From: jasnow at hotmail.com (Al Snow)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 20:49:34 -0400
Subject: [Wtr-development] FW: Suggest Watir-Related BugMash for
	April	2010
In-Reply-To: <ade75c5b1003171610h6f751fb2k7b0c3fa413fb8f9e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BLU105-W70A1C464BF7491FFF3458C1350@phx.gbl>,
	<BLU105-W139EDAC9F2C3E363B83A44C1340@phx.gbl>,
	<ade75c5b1003171610h6f751fb2k7b0c3fa413fb8f9e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU105-W1151B1FA1D1E214A2B0EB2C12B0@phx.gbl>


Bret,

>>> Typically, you do a bug mash when you are close to making a 
>>> new release. It helps flush out bugs in the new release. Is this 
>>> what is happening, 
or is that why you changed the name to a Hack Fest?

I did not know this about bug mashes when I start, but figured it out after 
researching the Rails Bug Mash material.  Also played with the term 
"Coding Dojo" but did not fit. Currently it is a Hack Fest as a general term 
to suggest a one-day event where the Watir community focuses on 
contributing. Still figuring out if I want to do both local (co-working)
and virtual events on same day, we will see.

>>>  Are we getting close
 to release of the watir-webdriver?

A lot of my work involved figuring out what the status was
and where I might be able to help out.

I was excited about the watir-webdriver and thought I might
could start up the Opensolaris work, but found that other things
needed to be done before that work.  Then I looked into the 
Safari (:safari) driver for watir-webdriver since I use Macs at
work.  I found that the remote driver is Java-based and the
selenium-webdriver is part of the huge selenium project so
that slowed me down.

i will let Jari and Simon speak to the specific release schedule.

Hope this helps.

FYI,
Al Snow

Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 18:10:44 -0500
From: bret at pettichord.com
To: wtr-development at rubyforge.org
Subject: Re: [Wtr-development] FW: Suggest Watir-Related BugMash for April	2010

I have a question.

Typically, you do a bug mash when you are close to making a new release. It helps flush out bugs in the new release. Is this what is happening, or is that why you changed the name to a Hack Fest? Are we getting close to release of the watir-webdriver?


Bret



On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Al Snow <jasnow at hotmail.com> wrote:






Updates.
   -- New Date (now April 10th)
   -- New Event Name: Watir Hack Fest
   -- Add: Documentation contribution are welcome too.
   -- How can I improve this event?


From: jasnow at hotmail.com
To: wtr-development at rubyforge.org
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 19:01:46 -0500

Subject: [Wtr-development] Suggest Watir Hack Fest for April 2010








Folks,
     I would like to help organize a Watir-related
BugMash, for April 10th (one day), similar to
the recent Rails event (http://bugmash.com/).


It would focus on Watir, WatirSpec, and Webdriver-Watir/
Selenium-Webdriver tool to report, reproduce, fix, 
and submit patches/commits. Hopefully we can
include adding safari driver to webdriver-watir.
(http://railsbridge.org/news_items/9)

(https://rails.lighthouseapp.com/projects/8994/sending-patches)

What do you think?


How can I improve this event?

Thanks,
Al



 		 	   		  
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From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch  Mon Mar 22 18:40:14 2010
From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 23:40:14 +0100
Subject: [Wtr-development] Jira
In-Reply-To: <ade75c5b1003171130v3b385aeenb65e466652f17aa9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f81b1251003020332h10ea89a9obd258c39e60d4b5b@mail.gmail.com> 
	<f81b1251003160346i5083f5aew912c2837e3f52344@mail.gmail.com> 
	<f81b1251003170345y17be8783k1ff6cd8d4d196e9a@mail.gmail.com> 
	<ade75c5b1003171130v3b385aeenb65e466652f17aa9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f81b1251003221540p484a67acv64a587411c49d760@mail.gmail.com>

2010/3/17 Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>
> I added this address to the list.

I have set up Jira to send e-mails after a ticket is changed to
wtr-development at rubyforge.org, updated 426 (
http://jira.openqa.org/browse/WTR-426) but I did not see e-mail notification
from wtr-development.

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From bret at pettichord.com  Mon Mar 22 23:53:13 2010
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 21:53:13 -0600
Subject: [Wtr-development] Jira
In-Reply-To: <f81b1251003221540p484a67acv64a587411c49d760@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f81b1251003020332h10ea89a9obd258c39e60d4b5b@mail.gmail.com>
	<f81b1251003160346i5083f5aew912c2837e3f52344@mail.gmail.com>
	<f81b1251003170345y17be8783k1ff6cd8d4d196e9a@mail.gmail.com>
	<ade75c5b1003171130v3b385aeenb65e466652f17aa9@mail.gmail.com>
	<f81b1251003221540p484a67acv64a587411c49d760@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ade75c5b1003222053l54bcdfa1m4bfca90578a00523@mail.gmail.com>

Zeljko,

Are you seeing any notifications from Jira?

Bret

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 4:40 PM, ?eljko Filipin <
zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch> wrote:

> 2010/3/17 Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>
>
> > I added this address to the list.
>
> I have set up Jira to send e-mails after a ticket is changed to
> wtr-development at rubyforge.org, updated 426 (
> http://jira.openqa.org/browse/WTR-426) but I did not see e-mail
> notification from wtr-development.
>
> ?eljko
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wtr-development mailing list
> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
>



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From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch  Tue Mar 23 06:50:17 2010
From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 11:50:17 +0100
Subject: [Wtr-development] Jira
In-Reply-To: <ade75c5b1003222053l54bcdfa1m4bfca90578a00523@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f81b1251003020332h10ea89a9obd258c39e60d4b5b@mail.gmail.com> 
	<f81b1251003160346i5083f5aew912c2837e3f52344@mail.gmail.com> 
	<f81b1251003170345y17be8783k1ff6cd8d4d196e9a@mail.gmail.com> 
	<ade75c5b1003171130v3b385aeenb65e466652f17aa9@mail.gmail.com> 
	<f81b1251003221540p484a67acv64a587411c49d760@mail.gmail.com> 
	<ade75c5b1003222053l54bcdfa1m4bfca90578a00523@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f81b1251003230350j1cc797f8g9e7799ce2edb2d30@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 4:53 AM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>
wrote:
> Are you seeing any notifications from Jira?

Yes, from jira at openqa.org, but not from wtr-development at rubyforge.org too.

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From macvidur at gmail.com  Tue Mar 23 13:50:43 2010
From: macvidur at gmail.com (chatur vidur)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 23:20:43 +0530
Subject: [Wtr-development] Help needed: require watir gives error message
Message-ID: <436b45b01003231050rc14e2b0s2bfc038e61675b13@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Friends, this is the first time i'm using watir.  I am very new to
Ruby. I am a software tester by profession.  I have installed watir on my
Mac OS x tiger 10.4.11
i have a safari and mozilla firefox
i went to irb and typed
require "watir"
ArgumentError: /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/version.rb:116:in
`initialize': Malformed version number string 1.3.6.pre.3
        from
/usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/source_index.rb:92:in
`load_specification'
        from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/version.rb:106:in
`new'
        from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/version.rb:106:in
`create'
        from
/usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/specification.rb:288:in
`version='
        from (eval):3:in `load_specification'
        from
/usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/specification.rb:421:in
`initialize'
        from (eval):1:in `new'
        from (eval):1:in `load_specification'
        from
/usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/source_index.rb:128:in `eval'
        from
/usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/source_index.rb:92:in
`load_specification'
        from
/usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/source_index.rb:128:in
`load_gems_in'
        from
/usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/source_index.rb:127:in `each'
        from
/usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/source_index.rb:127:in
`load_gems_in'
        from
/usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/source_index.rb:81:in
`from_gems_in'
        from
/usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/source_index.rb:53:in
`from_installed_gems'
        from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems.rb:126:in
`source_index'
        from
/usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:105:in
`init_gemspecs'
        from
/usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:54:in
`initialize'
        from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems.rb:212:in `new'
        from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems.rb:212:in `searcher'
        from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems.rb:211:in
`synchronize'
        from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems.rb:211:in `searcher'
        from
/usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:30:in `require'

Please advice on the above
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From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch  Wed Mar 24 06:33:37 2010
From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 11:33:37 +0100
Subject: [Wtr-development] Help needed: require watir gives error message
In-Reply-To: <436b45b01003231050rc14e2b0s2bfc038e61675b13@mail.gmail.com>
References: <436b45b01003231050rc14e2b0s2bfc038e61675b13@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f81b1251003240333scb07946t2db24f02da8b82@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 6:50 PM, chatur vidur <macvidur at gmail.com> wrote:
> this is the first time i'm using watir

Hi,

We discuss Watir development on this list. Support issues should be posted
to:

http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general

I will answer there.

?eljko
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From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch  Wed Mar 24 11:39:17 2010
From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 16:39:17 +0100
Subject: [Wtr-development] Ruby Summer of Code
Message-ID: <f81b1251003240839vc6cf343oce62860e877920af@mail.gmail.com>

http://rubysoc.org/

"The mentor application window is March 24th to April 2nd."

Anybody of the developers interested in mentoring?

?eljko
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From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch  Thu Mar 25 12:07:29 2010
From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 17:07:29 +0100
Subject: [Wtr-development] Jira
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References: <f81b1251003020332h10ea89a9obd258c39e60d4b5b@mail.gmail.com> 
	<f81b1251003160346i5083f5aew912c2837e3f52344@mail.gmail.com> 
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On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 7:35 PM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>
wrote:
> Since the other projects are released on their own schedule, they need to
be in a separate project.

Moved ChromeWatir and SafariWatir tickets to separate projects:

http://jira.openqa.org/browse/cw
http://jira.openqa.org/browse/sw

I could not move ticket 411 (http://jira.openqa.org/browse/WTR-411), Jira
crashes. I will contact Patrick.

?eljko
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From jarmo.p at gmail.com  Thu Mar 25 14:26:21 2010
From: jarmo.p at gmail.com (Jarmo)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 20:26:21 +0200
Subject: [Wtr-development] click_no_wait problems solution?
Message-ID: <b7bf92f01003251126t546432a2k56a5610656ff98ad@mail.gmail.com>

Hi.

I encountered a problem when tried to use click_no_wait. I used my own
debugging techniques
(http://www.itreallymatters.net/post/378669758/debugging-watirs-click-no-wait-method-problems)
and got this error message from Ruby:
-e:1: unterminated string meets end of file

Anyway, it is strange, because the same code worked on one PC and
didn't work on another. System configurations are as following:

PC #1, where everything worked as they are:
Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit
ruby 1.8.6 (2010-02-04 patchlevel 398) [i386-mingw32]

And the PC #2, where it didn't work:
Windows 7 Professional 32bit
ruby 1.8.6 (2010-02-04 patchlevel 398) [i386-mingw32]

So, the only difference seems to be in 32/64 bit and Professional/Ultimate.

So i started investigating and in the end made a patch which fixed it.
After that I googled around and saw that there has been already done
same patch in the past. It is actually in JIRA:
http://jira.openqa.org/browse/WTR-320

The same bug got already mentioned in one of our previous lengthy
thread called "Recommended Ruby Version"
(http://www.mail-archive.com/wtr-development at rubyforge.org/msg00298.html),
but I didn't know at that time that it is the same problem, because it
didn't have the same error message mentioned in it.

Anyway, creating that patch helped me to solve my problem and now it's
working on both PC-s. Another question is that why is it stated as
"Fixed" in JIRA in Watir 1.6.5, when it isn't?

Also, in Watir's repo (if that is official repo -
http://github.com/bret/watir/blob/master/watir/lib/watir/page-container.rb)
there isn't that patch applied either. Is it somehow gone missing?
Didn't see anything related to that in git history either...

Also, when talking about the method called eval_in_spawned_process in
page_container.rb, then it seems that it is only used by click_no_wait
and one test, which means that in my opinion we could simplify it to
some degree. At least i couldn't think of the reason why it is
currently as it is - essentially, why is this load_path_code variable
used there at all?

Currently the solution is like this:
def eval_in_spawned_process(command)
      command.strip!
      load_path_code = _code_that_copies_readonly_array($LOAD_PATH,
'$LOAD_PATH')
      ruby_code = "require 'watir/ie'; "
#      ruby_code = "$HIDE_IE = #{$HIDE_IE};" # This prevents attaching
to a window from setting it visible. However modal dialogs cannot be
attached to when not visible.
      ruby_code << "pc = #{attach_command}; " # pc = page container
      # IDEA: consider changing this to not use instance_eval (it
makes the code hard to understand)
      ruby_code << "pc.instance_eval(#{command.inspect})"
      exec_string = "start rubyw -e #{(load_path_code + '; ' +
ruby_code).inspect}"
      system(exec_string)
    end

My proposed solution would be like this:
def eval_in_spawned_process(command)
      command.strip!
      ruby_code = "require 'watir/ie';"
      ruby_code << "pc = #{attach_command};" # pc = page container
      ruby_code << "pc.instance_eval(#{command.inspect})"
      exec_string = "start rubyw -e #{ruby_code.gsub('"','\'').inspect}"
      system(exec_string)
    end

This is working for me and i won about 1 second while performing the
click. Also i don't see a reason why this load path would be copied at
all. Maybe someone has the explanation and then it could be as it is?
I could only imagine that it is needed when someone performs some
other trick in separate process, which includes some 3rd party
libraries, but currently it is a overkill it seems.

Maybe, just maybe, there should be a require "rubygems" in the
commands, because we can't assume that everyone has set a -rubygems as
as RUBYOPT. Because this statement is currently missing then this
might also be a potential place which causes problems when
click_no_wait is used. Just a thought. So like this:

def eval_in_spawned_process(command)
      command.strip!
      ruby_code = "require 'rubygems';"
      ruby_code = "require 'watir/ie';"
      ruby_code << "pc = #{attach_command};" # pc = page container
      ruby_code << "pc.instance_eval(#{command.inspect})"
      exec_string = "start rubyw -e #{ruby_code.gsub('"','\'').inspect}"
      system(exec_string)
    end

Also, when simplifying this method as above, we could also delete
other (rather ugly) method (with it's comment), which is used only
once:

# why won't this work when placed in the module (where it properly belongs)
def _code_that_copies_readonly_array(array, name)
    "temp = Array.new(#{array.inspect}); #{name}.clear; temp.each
{|element| #{name} << element}"
end

What do you guys think about this problem, solutions and refactorings/changes?

Jarmo Pertman

From billagee at gmail.com  Thu Mar 25 15:24:09 2010
From: billagee at gmail.com (Bill Agee)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 12:24:09 -0700
Subject: [Wtr-development] click_no_wait problems solution?
In-Reply-To: <b7bf92f01003251126t546432a2k56a5610656ff98ad@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b7bf92f01003251126t546432a2k56a5610656ff98ad@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <73e7817e1003251224l4d18de27y4775cf974d3987c3@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jarmo,

I closed this bug (WTR-320) a while back since I could not repro it anymore
in Watir 1.6.5 using Win7 Ultimate 32-bit.

But as you mentioned, it looks like this still reproduces on other Windows
OS releases. :)  So I reopened the bug today.

Looks like this one cannot really be closed until it no longer repros on (at
least) Win7 Ultiimate, Win7 Pro, and WinXP Pro.  Probably the Vista flavors
as well.

Thanks
Bill


On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Jarmo <jarmo.p at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi.
>
> I encountered a problem when tried to use click_no_wait. I used my own
> debugging techniques
> (
> http://www.itreallymatters.net/post/378669758/debugging-watirs-click-no-wait-method-problems
> )
> and got this error message from Ruby:
> -e:1: unterminated string meets end of file
>
> Anyway, it is strange, because the same code worked on one PC and
> didn't work on another. System configurations are as following:
>
> PC #1, where everything worked as they are:
> Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit
> ruby 1.8.6 (2010-02-04 patchlevel 398) [i386-mingw32]
>
> And the PC #2, where it didn't work:
> Windows 7 Professional 32bit
> ruby 1.8.6 (2010-02-04 patchlevel 398) [i386-mingw32]
>
> So, the only difference seems to be in 32/64 bit and Professional/Ultimate.
>
> So i started investigating and in the end made a patch which fixed it.
> After that I googled around and saw that there has been already done
> same patch in the past. It is actually in JIRA:
> http://jira.openqa.org/browse/WTR-320
>
> The same bug got already mentioned in one of our previous lengthy
> thread called "Recommended Ruby Version"
> (http://www.mail-archive.com/wtr-development at rubyforge.org/msg00298.html),
> but I didn't know at that time that it is the same problem, because it
> didn't have the same error message mentioned in it.
>
> Anyway, creating that patch helped me to solve my problem and now it's
> working on both PC-s. Another question is that why is it stated as
> "Fixed" in JIRA in Watir 1.6.5, when it isn't?
>
> Also, in Watir's repo (if that is official repo -
> http://github.com/bret/watir/blob/master/watir/lib/watir/page-container.rb
> )
> there isn't that patch applied either. Is it somehow gone missing?
> Didn't see anything related to that in git history either...
>
> Also, when talking about the method called eval_in_spawned_process in
> page_container.rb, then it seems that it is only used by click_no_wait
> and one test, which means that in my opinion we could simplify it to
> some degree. At least i couldn't think of the reason why it is
> currently as it is - essentially, why is this load_path_code variable
> used there at all?
>
> Currently the solution is like this:
> def eval_in_spawned_process(command)
>      command.strip!
>      load_path_code = _code_that_copies_readonly_array($LOAD_PATH,
> '$LOAD_PATH')
>      ruby_code = "require 'watir/ie'; "
> #      ruby_code = "$HIDE_IE = #{$HIDE_IE};" # This prevents attaching
> to a window from setting it visible. However modal dialogs cannot be
> attached to when not visible.
>      ruby_code << "pc = #{attach_command}; " # pc = page container
>      # IDEA: consider changing this to not use instance_eval (it
> makes the code hard to understand)
>      ruby_code << "pc.instance_eval(#{command.inspect})"
>      exec_string = "start rubyw -e #{(load_path_code + '; ' +
> ruby_code).inspect}"
>      system(exec_string)
>    end
>
> My proposed solution would be like this:
> def eval_in_spawned_process(command)
>      command.strip!
>      ruby_code = "require 'watir/ie';"
>      ruby_code << "pc = #{attach_command};" # pc = page container
>      ruby_code << "pc.instance_eval(#{command.inspect})"
>      exec_string = "start rubyw -e #{ruby_code.gsub('"','\'').inspect}"
>      system(exec_string)
>    end
>
> This is working for me and i won about 1 second while performing the
> click. Also i don't see a reason why this load path would be copied at
> all. Maybe someone has the explanation and then it could be as it is?
> I could only imagine that it is needed when someone performs some
> other trick in separate process, which includes some 3rd party
> libraries, but currently it is a overkill it seems.
>
> Maybe, just maybe, there should be a require "rubygems" in the
> commands, because we can't assume that everyone has set a -rubygems as
> as RUBYOPT. Because this statement is currently missing then this
> might also be a potential place which causes problems when
> click_no_wait is used. Just a thought. So like this:
>
> def eval_in_spawned_process(command)
>      command.strip!
>      ruby_code = "require 'rubygems';"
>      ruby_code = "require 'watir/ie';"
>      ruby_code << "pc = #{attach_command};" # pc = page container
>      ruby_code << "pc.instance_eval(#{command.inspect})"
>      exec_string = "start rubyw -e #{ruby_code.gsub('"','\'').inspect}"
>      system(exec_string)
>    end
>
> Also, when simplifying this method as above, we could also delete
> other (rather ugly) method (with it's comment), which is used only
> once:
>
> # why won't this work when placed in the module (where it properly belongs)
> def _code_that_copies_readonly_array(array, name)
>    "temp = Array.new(#{array.inspect}); #{name}.clear; temp.each
> {|element| #{name} << element}"
> end
>
> What do you guys think about this problem, solutions and
> refactorings/changes?
>
> Jarmo Pertman
> _______________________________________________
> Wtr-development mailing list
> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
>
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From jarmo.p at gmail.com  Thu Mar 25 16:22:08 2010
From: jarmo.p at gmail.com (Jarmo)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 22:22:08 +0200
Subject: [Wtr-development] click_no_wait problems solution?
In-Reply-To: <73e7817e1003251224l4d18de27y4775cf974d3987c3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b7bf92f01003251126t546432a2k56a5610656ff98ad@mail.gmail.com> 
	<73e7817e1003251224l4d18de27y4775cf974d3987c3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b7bf92f01003251322u55d05067k841079dd58af9983@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Bill,

well at first it might be helpful to try the solution/patch provided
in the bug or in my e-mail and see if it's going to happen ever again
:)

also, the require 'rubygems' statement might be a thing to strongly
consider adding if you think of it...

Jarmo

On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Bill Agee <billagee at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Jarmo,
>
> I closed this bug (WTR-320) a while back since I could not repro it anymore
> in Watir 1.6.5 using Win7 Ultimate 32-bit.
>
> But as you mentioned, it looks like this still reproduces on other Windows
> OS releases. :)? So I reopened the bug today.
>
> Looks like this one cannot really be closed until it no longer repros on (at
> least) Win7 Ultiimate, Win7 Pro, and WinXP Pro.? Probably the Vista flavors
> as well.
>
> Thanks
> Bill
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Jarmo <jarmo.p at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi.
>>
>> I encountered a problem when tried to use click_no_wait. I used my own
>> debugging techniques
>>
>> (http://www.itreallymatters.net/post/378669758/debugging-watirs-click-no-wait-method-problems)
>> and got this error message from Ruby:
>> -e:1: unterminated string meets end of file
>>
>> Anyway, it is strange, because the same code worked on one PC and
>> didn't work on another. System configurations are as following:
>>
>> PC #1, where everything worked as they are:
>> Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit
>> ruby 1.8.6 (2010-02-04 patchlevel 398) [i386-mingw32]
>>
>> And the PC #2, where it didn't work:
>> Windows 7 Professional 32bit
>> ruby 1.8.6 (2010-02-04 patchlevel 398) [i386-mingw32]
>>
>> So, the only difference seems to be in 32/64 bit and
>> Professional/Ultimate.
>>
>> So i started investigating and in the end made a patch which fixed it.
>> After that I googled around and saw that there has been already done
>> same patch in the past. It is actually in JIRA:
>> http://jira.openqa.org/browse/WTR-320
>>
>> The same bug got already mentioned in one of our previous lengthy
>> thread called "Recommended Ruby Version"
>> (http://www.mail-archive.com/wtr-development at rubyforge.org/msg00298.html),
>> but I didn't know at that time that it is the same problem, because it
>> didn't have the same error message mentioned in it.
>>
>> Anyway, creating that patch helped me to solve my problem and now it's
>> working on both PC-s. Another question is that why is it stated as
>> "Fixed" in JIRA in Watir 1.6.5, when it isn't?
>>
>> Also, in Watir's repo (if that is official repo -
>>
>> http://github.com/bret/watir/blob/master/watir/lib/watir/page-container.rb)
>> there isn't that patch applied either. Is it somehow gone missing?
>> Didn't see anything related to that in git history either...
>>
>> Also, when talking about the method called eval_in_spawned_process in
>> page_container.rb, then it seems that it is only used by click_no_wait
>> and one test, which means that in my opinion we could simplify it to
>> some degree. At least i couldn't think of the reason why it is
>> currently as it is - essentially, why is this load_path_code variable
>> used there at all?
>>
>> Currently the solution is like this:
>> def eval_in_spawned_process(command)
>> ? ? ?command.strip!
>> ? ? ?load_path_code = _code_that_copies_readonly_array($LOAD_PATH,
>> '$LOAD_PATH')
>> ? ? ?ruby_code = "require 'watir/ie'; "
>> # ? ? ?ruby_code = "$HIDE_IE = #{$HIDE_IE};" # This prevents attaching
>> to a window from setting it visible. However modal dialogs cannot be
>> attached to when not visible.
>> ? ? ?ruby_code << "pc = #{attach_command}; " # pc = page container
>> ? ? ?# IDEA: consider changing this to not use instance_eval (it
>> makes the code hard to understand)
>> ? ? ?ruby_code << "pc.instance_eval(#{command.inspect})"
>> ? ? ?exec_string = "start rubyw -e #{(load_path_code + '; ' +
>> ruby_code).inspect}"
>> ? ? ?system(exec_string)
>> ? ?end
>>
>> My proposed solution would be like this:
>> def eval_in_spawned_process(command)
>> ? ? ?command.strip!
>> ? ? ?ruby_code = "require 'watir/ie';"
>> ? ? ?ruby_code << "pc = #{attach_command};" # pc = page container
>> ? ? ?ruby_code << "pc.instance_eval(#{command.inspect})"
>> ? ? ?exec_string = "start rubyw -e #{ruby_code.gsub('"','\'').inspect}"
>> ? ? ?system(exec_string)
>> ? ?end
>>
>> This is working for me and i won about 1 second while performing the
>> click. Also i don't see a reason why this load path would be copied at
>> all. Maybe someone has the explanation and then it could be as it is?
>> I could only imagine that it is needed when someone performs some
>> other trick in separate process, which includes some 3rd party
>> libraries, but currently it is a overkill it seems.
>>
>> Maybe, just maybe, there should be a require "rubygems" in the
>> commands, because we can't assume that everyone has set a -rubygems as
>> as RUBYOPT. Because this statement is currently missing then this
>> might also be a potential place which causes problems when
>> click_no_wait is used. Just a thought. So like this:
>>
>> def eval_in_spawned_process(command)
>> ? ? ?command.strip!
>> ? ? ?ruby_code = "require 'rubygems';"
>> ? ? ?ruby_code = "require 'watir/ie';"
>> ? ? ?ruby_code << "pc = #{attach_command};" # pc = page container
>> ? ? ?ruby_code << "pc.instance_eval(#{command.inspect})"
>> ? ? ?exec_string = "start rubyw -e #{ruby_code.gsub('"','\'').inspect}"
>> ? ? ?system(exec_string)
>> ? ?end
>>
>> Also, when simplifying this method as above, we could also delete
>> other (rather ugly) method (with it's comment), which is used only
>> once:
>>
>> # why won't this work when placed in the module (where it properly
>> belongs)
>> def _code_that_copies_readonly_array(array, name)
>> ? ?"temp = Array.new(#{array.inspect}); #{name}.clear; temp.each
>> {|element| #{name} << element}"
>> end
>>
>> What do you guys think about this problem, solutions and
>> refactorings/changes?
>>
>> Jarmo Pertman
>> _______________________________________________
>> Wtr-development mailing list
>> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wtr-development mailing list
> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
>

From watirjira at gmail.com  Fri Mar 26 07:29:37 2010
From: watirjira at gmail.com (Zeljko (JIRA))
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 06:29:37 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Wtr-development] [JIRA] Created: (WTR-429) testing mail
	notifications
Message-ID: <10741106.531.1269602977090.JavaMail.oqa-j2ee@openqa01.managed.contegix.com>

testing mail notifications
--------------------------

                 Key: WTR-429
                 URL: http://jira.openqa.org/browse/WTR-429
             Project: Watir
          Issue Type: Improvement
          Components: Contrib
    Affects Versions: 1.6.5
         Environment: test
            Reporter: Zeljko
            Assignee: Zeljko
            Priority: Trivial
             Fix For: 1.6.3


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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 06:49:36 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Wtr-development] [JIRA] Updated: (WTR-429) testing mail
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Zeljko updated WTR-429:
-----------------------

    Description: some more testing  (was: test)

> testing mail notifications
> --------------------------
>
>                 Key: WTR-429
>                 URL: http://jira.openqa.org/browse/WTR-429
>             Project: Watir
>          Issue Type: Improvement
>          Components: Contrib
>    Affects Versions: 1.6.5
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>            Assignee: Zeljko
>            Priority: Trivial
>             Fix For: 1.6.3
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From watirjira at gmail.com  Fri Mar 26 07:51:37 2010
From: watirjira at gmail.com (Zeljko (JIRA))
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 06:51:37 -0500 (CDT)
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Zeljko closed CW-1.
-------------------

    Resolution: Fixed

closing chromewatir ticket to see if it will be delivered to wtr-development

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                 Key: SW-9
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         Environment: test
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From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch  Fri Mar 26 07:53:44 2010
From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 12:53:44 +0100
Subject: [Wtr-development] [JIRA] Updated: (WTR-429) testing mail
	notifications
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On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Zeljko (JIRA) <watirjira at gmail.com> wrote:
> [
http://jira.openqa.org/browse/WTR-429?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel]
> Zeljko updated WTR-429:

Looks like I have finally set up Jira so it sends e-mails here after a Watir
ticket is updated.

There will probably be another 2 or 3 test e-mails in a few minutes (for
ChromeWatir and SafariWatir tickets).

?eljko
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From watirjira at gmail.com  Fri Mar 26 07:51:37 2010
From: watirjira at gmail.com (Zeljko (JIRA))
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 06:51:37 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Wtr-development] [JIRA] Closed: (SW-9) testing safariwatir
	notifications
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     [ http://jira.openqa.org/browse/SW-9?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ]

Zeljko closed SW-9.
-------------------

    Resolution: Fixed

> testing safariwatir notifications
> ---------------------------------
>
>                 Key: SW-9
>                 URL: http://jira.openqa.org/browse/SW-9
>             Project: SafariWatir
>          Issue Type: Bug
>          Components: core
>    Affects Versions: 1
>         Environment: test
>            Reporter: Zeljko
>             Fix For: 1
>
>
> test

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From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch  Sat Mar 27 06:08:26 2010
From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 11:08:26 +0100
Subject: [Wtr-development] Jira
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On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 7:35 PM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>
wrote:
> We made a list of what we wanted to do back in December.

I have found the thread:

http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/wtr-development/2009-November/001403.html

The only thing we said back then is to create a separate Jira project for
Chrome and Safari driver, and that is done now. Please let me know if I have
missed something.

If there are no further request, I will consider that Jira is set up just
fine.

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From bret at pettichord.com  Sat Mar 27 12:50:50 2010
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 10:50:50 -0600
Subject: [Wtr-development] Jira
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Thanks a lot for wrapping this up.

Bret

On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 4:08 AM, ?eljko Filipin <
zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch> wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 7:35 PM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>
> wrote:
> > We made a list of what we wanted to do back in December.
>
> I have found the thread:
>
> http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/wtr-development/2009-November/001403.html
>
> The only thing we said back then is to create a separate Jira project for
> Chrome and Safari driver, and that is done now. Please let me know if I have
> missed something.
>
> If there are no further request, I will consider that Jira is set up just
> fine.
>
> ?eljko
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wtr-development mailing list
> Wtr-development at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
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From watirjira at gmail.com  Sun Mar 28 12:55:37 2010
From: watirjira at gmail.com (shanth (JIRA))
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 11:55:37 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Wtr-development] [JIRA] Created: (WTR-430) ie.contains_text
 returning object id instead of true/false
Message-ID: <26411997.552.1269795337220.JavaMail.oqa-j2ee@openqa01.managed.contegix.com>

ie.contains_text returning object id instead of true/false
----------------------------------------------------------

                 Key: WTR-430
                 URL: http://jira.openqa.org/browse/WTR-430
             Project: Watir
          Issue Type: Bug
          Components: Other
    Affects Versions: 1.6.5
         Environment: windows xp
            Reporter: shanth


ie.contains_text returning object id instead of true/false

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From watirjira at gmail.com  Sun Mar 28 13:10:36 2010
From: watirjira at gmail.com (shanth (JIRA))
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 12:10:36 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Wtr-development] [JIRA] Created: (WTR-431) Template creation
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Template creation 
------------------

                 Key: WTR-431
                 URL: http://jira.openqa.org/browse/WTR-431
             Project: Watir
          Issue Type: New Feature
          Components: Other
    Affects Versions: Next
         Environment: windows xp
            Reporter: shanth


Provide Template creation feature.For e.g If i open a new .rb file it display with pre formatted text that we defined in the template.

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From watirjira at gmail.com  Sun Mar 28 13:51:37 2010
From: watirjira at gmail.com (Jarmo Pertman (JIRA))
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 12:51:37 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Wtr-development] [JIRA] Commented: (WTR-431) Template creation
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    [ http://jira.openqa.org/browse/WTR-431?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=19527#action_19527 ] 

Jarmo Pertman commented on WTR-431:
-----------------------------------

For me it is a little confusing what do you exactly need. If you want just some code template, which opens a browser or something, then i'd just recommend you to use some IDE and define that template. It would not make sense to build this functionality into watir itself i guess.

Jarmo

> Template creation 
> ------------------
>
>                 Key: WTR-431
>                 URL: http://jira.openqa.org/browse/WTR-431
>             Project: Watir
>          Issue Type: New Feature
>          Components: Other
>    Affects Versions: Next
>         Environment: windows xp
>            Reporter: shanth
>
> Provide Template creation feature.For e.g If i open a new .rb file it display with pre formatted text that we defined in the template.

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From watirjira at gmail.com  Sun Mar 28 13:54:36 2010
From: watirjira at gmail.com (Jarmo Pertman (JIRA))
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 12:54:36 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Wtr-development] [JIRA] Commented: (WTR-430) ie.contains_text
 returning object id instead of true/false
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    [ http://jira.openqa.org/browse/WTR-430?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=19528#action_19528 ] 

Jarmo Pertman commented on WTR-430:
-----------------------------------

This method is deprecated as shown in page_container.rb:

# *Deprecated* 
# Instead use 
#   IE#text.include? target 
# or
#   IE#text.match target

> ie.contains_text returning object id instead of true/false
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
>                 Key: WTR-430
>                 URL: http://jira.openqa.org/browse/WTR-430
>             Project: Watir
>          Issue Type: Bug
>          Components: Other
>    Affects Versions: 1.6.5
>         Environment: windows xp
>            Reporter: shanth
>
> ie.contains_text returning object id instead of true/false

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From watirjira at gmail.com  Sun Mar 28 14:33:38 2010
From: watirjira at gmail.com (Jarmo Pertman (JIRA))
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 13:33:38 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Wtr-development] [JIRA] Commented: (WTR-320) click_no_wait does
 not work on ruby186-27_rc2
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    [ http://jira.openqa.org/browse/WTR-320?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=19529#action_19529 ] 

Jarmo Pertman commented on WTR-320:
-----------------------------------

The problem is mainly related with the fact that this patch isn't applied actually to Watir.

Also, my recommendation was to simplify eval_in_spawned_process method and add require "rubygems" statement.

My proposed solution was like this:

def eval_in_spawned_process(command)
     command.strip!
     ruby_code = "require 'rubygems';"
     ruby_code = "require 'watir/ie';"
     ruby_code << "pc = #{attach_command};" # pc = page container
     ruby_code << "pc.instance_eval(#{command.inspect})"
     exec_string = "start rubyw -e #{ruby_code.gsub('"','\'').inspect}"
     system(exec_string)
   end

Also, when simplifying this method as above, we could also delete
other (rather ugly) method (with it's comment), which is used only
once:

# why won't this work when placed in the module (where it properly belongs)
def _code_that_copies_readonly_array(array, name)
   "temp = Array.new(#{array.inspect}); #{name}.clear; temp.each
{|element| #{name} << element}"
end

> click_no_wait does not work on ruby186-27_rc2
> ---------------------------------------------
>
>                 Key: WTR-320
>                 URL: http://jira.openqa.org/browse/WTR-320
>             Project: Watir
>          Issue Type: Bug
>          Components: Inputs
>    Affects Versions: 1.6.2
>         Environment: Vista SP1 IE8, normal administrator account with default security settings (UAC enabled, IE protected mode enabled)
>            Reporter: Bill Agee
>             Fix For: 1.6.5
>
>         Attachments: patch.txt
>
>
> Several people (including myself) have had problems using click_no_wait on Vista.
> The symptom is that the element being clicked will flash yellow, but nothing happens beyond that.  The click does not seem to be received.
> A patch that solves this problem was posted to the watir dev list, by Derek Berner:
> http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/wtr-development/2009-January/000400.html
> Looks like the patch was for Windows Server 2008, but it worked for me on Vista SP1 with IE8.
> But I tried the same patch on XP SP3, with IE8, and click_no_wait no longer worked.  A little work may be required to make sure the patch works on both Vista SP1 and XP.  Hopefully Server 2008 and Vista RTM will also both work if Vista SP1 has no problems.

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From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch  Mon Mar 29 04:08:33 2010
From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 10:08:33 +0200
Subject: [Wtr-development] #watir
Message-ID: <f81b1251003290108r7ea0f252g766d11011dd0f70d@mail.gmail.com>

I think we need a different hash tag for Watir. #watir is used a lot for
something completely different.

http://twitter.com/#search?q=%23watir

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From jasnow at hotmail.com  Mon Mar 29 21:20:38 2010
From: jasnow at hotmail.com (Al Snow)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 21:20:38 -0400
Subject: [Wtr-development] FW: Suggest Watir-Related HackFest for April 2010
In-Reply-To: <BLU105-W139EDAC9F2C3E363B83A44C1340@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU105-W70A1C464BF7491FFF3458C1350@phx.gbl>,
	<BLU105-W139EDAC9F2C3E363B83A44C1340@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BLU105-W111796BB032A627011E890C11F0@phx.gbl>


Everyone,
       Canceling Watir Hack Fest.
Al Snow
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I have a google group for future watir hack fests :
http://groups.google.com/group/watir-hackfest

From: jasnow at hotmail.com
To: wtr-development at rubyforge.org
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 20:50:42 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] FW: Suggest Watir-Related BugMash for April 2010








Updates.
   -- New Date (now April 10th)
   -- New Event Name: Watir Hack Fest
   -- Add: Documentation contribution are welcome too.
   -- How can I improve this event?

From: jasnow at hotmail.com
To: wtr-development at rubyforge.org
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 19:01:46 -0500
Subject: [Wtr-development] Suggest Watir Hack Fest for April 2010








Folks,
     I would like to help organize a Watir-related
BugMash, for April 10th (one day), similar to
the recent Rails event (http://bugmash.com/).

It would focus on Watir, WatirSpec, and Webdriver-Watir/
Selenium-Webdriver tool to report, reproduce, fix, 
and submit patches/commits. Hopefully we can
include adding safari driver to webdriver-watir.
(http://railsbridge.org/news_items/9)
(https://rails.lighthouseapp.com/projects/8994/sending-patches)

What do you think?

How can I improve this event?

Thanks,
Al



 		 	   		  
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From watirjira at gmail.com  Mon Mar 29 23:17:37 2010
From: watirjira at gmail.com (Bret Pettichord (JIRA))
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 22:17:37 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Wtr-development] [JIRA] Resolved: (WTR-430) ie.contains_text
 returning object id instead of true/false
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     [ http://jira.openqa.org/browse/WTR-430?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ]

Bret Pettichord resolved WTR-430.
---------------------------------

    Resolution: Won't Fix

Method is deprecated.

> ie.contains_text returning object id instead of true/false
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
>                 Key: WTR-430
>                 URL: http://jira.openqa.org/browse/WTR-430
>             Project: Watir
>          Issue Type: Bug
>          Components: Other
>    Affects Versions: 1.6.5
>         Environment: windows xp
>            Reporter: shanth
>
> ie.contains_text returning object id instead of true/false

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From bret at pettichord.com  Mon Mar 29 23:20:25 2010
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 21:20:25 -0600
Subject: [Wtr-development] Developer rights to Jira
Message-ID: <ade75c5b1003292020m73103052g2c0f43ab785dd083@mail.gmail.com>

I nominate Jarmo Pertman to have developer rights on Jira. This will allow
him to mark bugs as fixed, won't fix, etc.

Bret

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From watirjira at gmail.com  Mon Mar 29 23:23:36 2010
From: watirjira at gmail.com (Bret Pettichord (JIRA))
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 22:23:36 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Wtr-development] [JIRA] Resolved: (WTR-431) Template creation
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     [ http://jira.openqa.org/browse/WTR-431?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ]

Bret Pettichord resolved WTR-431.
---------------------------------

    Resolution: Won't Fix

Watir is a driver for browser testing. Not a framework. There are frameworks, such as WatirCraft, Taza and Cucumber that provide support for creating templates. This request is outside the scope of what Watir is.

> Template creation 
> ------------------
>
>                 Key: WTR-431
>                 URL: http://jira.openqa.org/browse/WTR-431
>             Project: Watir
>          Issue Type: New Feature
>          Components: Other
>    Affects Versions: Next
>         Environment: windows xp
>            Reporter: shanth
>
> Provide Template creation feature.For e.g If i open a new .rb file it display with pre formatted text that we defined in the template.

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From jarmo.p at gmail.com  Tue Mar 30 04:43:09 2010
From: jarmo.p at gmail.com (Jarmo)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:43:09 +0300
Subject: [Wtr-development] Developer rights to Jira
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References: <ade75c5b1003292020m73103052g2c0f43ab785dd083@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b7bf92f01003300143m521724e8y2eb1f2a2549c48c8@mail.gmail.com>

Thank You, Bret :)

Is there some instructions/guidelines how to contribute to Watir
codebase itself? What are the Watir's plans for the future? Is only
webdriver going to be used and current approach is not used anymore?
Anything else i should know?

Jarmo

On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 6:20 AM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com> wrote:
> I nominate Jarmo Pertman to have developer rights on Jira. This will allow
> him to mark bugs as fixed, won't fix, etc.
>
> Bret
>
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From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch  Tue Mar 30 06:00:26 2010
From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 12:00:26 +0200
Subject: [Wtr-development] Developer rights to Jira
In-Reply-To: <ade75c5b1003292020m73103052g2c0f43ab785dd083@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ade75c5b1003292020m73103052g2c0f43ab785dd083@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f81b1251003300300h4abe255aif228509782fad2d2@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 5:20 AM, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com>
wrote:
> I nominate Jarmo Pertman to have developer rights on Jira.

+1

I will wait 24 hours to let other people say their thoughts.

I think I will find a way to promote him to developer. (I think I am the
only one here that has Jira admin rights. I am not sure if I could promote
somebody to Jira admin, probably only Patrick can do it.)

Out of curiosity, what caused the nomination?

?eljko
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From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 12:06:12 +0200
Subject: [Wtr-development] Developer rights to Jira
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On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Jarmo <jarmo.p at gmail.com> wrote:
> Is there some instructions/guidelines how to contribute to Watir
> codebase itself?

Watir Wiki has a lot of information, but it is a bit hard to find stuff if
you are new to it:

http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/

We have a Submitting Code page, but it is out of date (Watir source is under
git, and the page still talks about svn):

http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/Submitting+Code

> What are the Watir's plans for the future? Is only
> webdriver going to be used and current approach is not used anymore?

I will leave this for developers to answer.

If you listen to a few of the last Watir Podcast episodes you will learn
more. I think this one will be of interest to you:

http://watirpodcast.com/29-bret-pettichord-and-charley-baker-on-past-present-and-future-of-watir/

?eljko
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From zhimin at agileway.com.au  Mon Mar 29 07:04:25 2010
From: zhimin at agileway.com.au (Zhimin Zhan)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 21:04:25 +1000
Subject: [Wtr-development] Compliment Celebrity License for TestWise,
	a Watir IDE
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Hello there,

As our thanks to your great work, We offer a compliment TestWise 'Celebrity License' to all Watir developers and contributors. 

TestWise is a  'Next-Generation Functional Testing Tool' supports Watir  (http://www.infoq.com/news/2007/10/next-gen-functional-testing), features: refactoring test elements, command completion,  syntax validation, keyboard navigation...

Check out how we show your 'Celebrity' status, http://testwisely.com/images/blog/testwise_celebrity_license.png

If you would like to have one, please contact me.

Regards,

Zhimin Zhan
Agile Test Coach

On 28/03/2010, at 3:03 AM, Bret Pettichord wrote:

> 
> 
> If you are interested, we are more than happy to provide compliment TestWise Celerity License to all Watir developers and contributors.  
> 
> That is very generous. You might want to post a notice to the wtr-development mailing list to let the other Watir developers know about your offer.
> 
> Bret
> 
> -- 
> Bret Pettichord
> Lead Developer, Watir, www.watir.com
> 
> Blog, www.io.com/~wazmo/blog
> Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord
> 

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From nw at wegener-net.de  Wed Mar 31 10:16:57 2010
From: nw at wegener-net.de (Norbert Wegener)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:16:57 +0200
Subject: [Wtr-development] java applets testing
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Hello
I am looking for a tool to do a functional test of a web application.
With Watir this started *very* promissing - until I came to a point where
the application started a Java applet :-(

Googling around revealed that Watir does not seem to support Java applets.

Are there plans for supporting applets in the future?
Thanks in advance
Norbert Wegener



From zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch  Wed Mar 31 10:06:51 2010
From: zeljko.filipin at wa-research.ch (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=BDeljko_Filipin?=)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:06:51 +0200
Subject: [Wtr-development] java applets testing
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On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 4:16 PM, Norbert Wegener <nw at wegener-net.de> wrote:
> Are there plans for supporting applets in the future?

No, as far as I know.

?eljko
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From jgoodsen at radsoft.com  Wed Mar 31 15:24:24 2010
From: jgoodsen at radsoft.com (John Goodsen)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:24:24 -0400
Subject: [Wtr-development] Watir on WebKit
Message-ID: <u2zf42387e71003311224pba2db9a3sfe6cfb86c2237f45@mail.gmail.com>

I'm working with a team that is using a customized WebKit browser.  I want
to introduce Cucumber with something like Watir to automate the acceptance
tests.

I'm trying to prototype up a simple socket-based protocol similar to how
firewatir is implemented (I've asked the developers to open up an
evalJavascript() method for my hook to drive their browser.  So far, it has
proven quite difficult for the devs to get this in place.

I see that there was an initial port of Watir for WebKit that was not
released.  I was wondering if anyone on this list might have some starter
code, or if the prototyped webkit work is available.

thanks for any help,

-- 
John Goodsen                 RADSoft / Better Software Faster
jgoodsen at radsoft.com            Lean/Agile/XP/Scrum Coaching and Training
http://www.radsoft.com          Ruby on Rails and Java Solutions
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From alister.scott at gmail.com  Wed Mar 31 18:45:54 2010
From: alister.scott at gmail.com (Alister Scott)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 08:45:54 +1000
Subject: [Wtr-development] HP acquires the Watir project, announces Wativ
Message-ID: <s2w16bf298e1003311545xeb331fe7n1a5dbfbd62118477@mail.gmail.com>

In a surprise move today, HP, the vendor of numerous Mercury testing
tools, has acquired the open source Watir testing product.
Read more:
http://watirmelon.com/2010/04/01/hp-acquires-the-watir-project-announces-wativ/


Alister Scott
Brisbane, Australia
Watir Web Master: http://watir.com
Blog: http://watirmelon.com
Google: http://www.google.com/profiles/alister.scott
LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/alisterscott
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