From ng at johnwlong.com Fri Sep 1 12:06:58 2006 From: ng at johnwlong.com (John W. Long) Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 12:06:58 -0400 Subject: [Vit-discuss] Documentation Page Message-ID: <44F85AA2.5080002@johnwlong.com> I revamped the documentation page this morning: http://new.ruby-lang.org/en/documentation/ Suggestions? -- John From james.britt at gmail.com Fri Sep 1 12:33:47 2006 From: james.britt at gmail.com (James Britt) Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 09:33:47 -0700 Subject: [Vit-discuss] Documentation Page In-Reply-To: <44F85AA2.5080002@johnwlong.com> References: <44F85AA2.5080002@johnwlong.com> Message-ID: <44F860EB.9040209@gmail.com> John W. Long wrote: > I revamped the documentation page this morning: > > http://new.ruby-lang.org/en/documentation/ > > Suggestions? > The link for "Ruby C API Reference" is out of date. Sadly, so is ruby-doc.org, So I need to run doxygen over the current source. When that happens, the correct link would be http://www.ruby-doc.org/doxygen/1.8.5/index.html The current working link is: http://www.ruby-doc.org/doxygen/1.8.4/index.html -- James Britt "Discover the recipes you are using and abandon them." - Brian Eno and Peter Schmidt, Oblique Strategies From hgs at dmu.ac.uk Fri Sep 1 12:35:32 2006 From: hgs at dmu.ac.uk (Hugh Sasse) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 17:35:32 +0100 (WEST) Subject: [Vit-discuss] Documentation Page In-Reply-To: <44F85AA2.5080002@johnwlong.com> References: <44F85AA2.5080002@johnwlong.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Sep 2006, John W. Long wrote: > I revamped the documentation page this morning: > > http://new.ruby-lang.org/en/documentation/ > > Suggestions? Generally it looks OK. My other observation[1] leads me to this: Should the site have information about the website itself? Whom to contact for website changes, what format to submit them in (make the source visible for sending patches perhaps?), what's on the to-do list for the site, known problems and workarounds (different browsers, etc). There's the text at the bottom of the page already, but a tab for this seems to me to be useful. [1] I mention this because my points about style sheets mentioned earlier still stand. Obviously I can't [even expect to] prioritize the work of the development team, but there's no info on the site itself about points taken on board. Hugh From ng at johnwlong.com Fri Sep 1 12:53:29 2006 From: ng at johnwlong.com (John W. Long) Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 12:53:29 -0400 Subject: [Vit-discuss] Documentation Page In-Reply-To: <44F860EB.9040209@gmail.com> References: <44F85AA2.5080002@johnwlong.com> <44F860EB.9040209@gmail.com> Message-ID: <44F86589.7040600@johnwlong.com> James Britt wrote: > The link for "Ruby C API Reference" is out of date. Sadly, so is > ruby-doc.org, So I need to run doxygen over the current source. > > When that happens, the correct link would be > > http://www.ruby-doc.org/doxygen/1.8.5/index.html Any chance that you could create a redirect for it? Something like this: http://www.ruby-doc.org/doxygen/stable/ ? -- John Long http://wiseheartdesign.com From evan at protest.net Fri Sep 1 15:18:53 2006 From: evan at protest.net (evan at protest.net) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 12:18:53 -0700 Subject: [Vit-discuss] Documentation Page In-Reply-To: <44F85AA2.5080002@johnwlong.com> References: <44F85AA2.5080002@johnwlong.com> Message-ID: Probably a good idea to link to rails documentation page as i'm sure folks will come here looking for rails documentation. http://rubyonrails.org/docs -rabble On Sep 1, 2006, at 9:06 AM, John W. Long wrote: > I revamped the documentation page this morning: > > http://new.ruby-lang.org/en/documentation/ > > Suggestions? > > -- > John > _______________________________________________ > vit-discuss mailing list > vit-discuss at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/vit-discuss From james.britt at gmail.com Fri Sep 1 17:14:27 2006 From: james.britt at gmail.com (James Britt) Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 14:14:27 -0700 Subject: [Vit-discuss] Documentation Page In-Reply-To: <44F86589.7040600@johnwlong.com> References: <44F85AA2.5080002@johnwlong.com> <44F860EB.9040209@gmail.com> <44F86589.7040600@johnwlong.com> Message-ID: <44F8A2B3.7020506@gmail.com> John W. Long wrote: > James Britt wrote: > >>The link for "Ruby C API Reference" is out of date. Sadly, so is >>ruby-doc.org, So I need to run doxygen over the current source. >> >>When that happens, the correct link would be >> >>http://www.ruby-doc.org/doxygen/1.8.5/index.html > > > Any chance that you could create a redirect for it? Something like this: > > http://www.ruby-doc.org/doxygen/stable/ That would make considerable sense. I was (almost) surprised that, as with the core API link, it wasn't symlinked to the most current. I'll make a note of that and get the URL stable, and let whomever know when it has changed. (BTW, re. Ara's comments, will/does the site have a clear means to contact the admin for comments and corrections?) -- James Britt "Take eloquence and wring its neck." - Paul Verlaine From james.britt at gmail.com Fri Sep 1 17:16:53 2006 From: james.britt at gmail.com (James Britt) Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 14:16:53 -0700 Subject: [Vit-discuss] Documentation Page In-Reply-To: References: <44F85AA2.5080002@johnwlong.com> Message-ID: <44F8A345.2090204@gmail.com> evan at protest.net wrote: > Probably a good idea to link to rails documentation page as i'm sure > folks will come here looking for rails documentation. > > http://rubyonrails.org/docs And include the Nitro, IOWA, Rmagick, Rake, etc. doc links as well. People use them, too, and look for docs about them, too, and Ruby is not about just what's popular. -- James Britt "Take eloquence and wring its neck." - Paul Verlaine From james.britt at gmail.com Fri Sep 1 17:25:49 2006 From: james.britt at gmail.com (James Britt) Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 14:25:49 -0700 Subject: [Vit-discuss] Documentation Page In-Reply-To: <44F8A345.2090204@gmail.com> References: <44F85AA2.5080002@johnwlong.com> <44F8A345.2090204@gmail.com> Message-ID: <44F8A55D.3070809@gmail.com> James Britt wrote: > evan at protest.net wrote: > >>Probably a good idea to link to rails documentation page as i'm sure >>folks will come here looking for rails documentation. >> >>http://rubyonrails.org/docs > > > And include the Nitro, IOWA, Rmagick, Rake, etc. doc links as well. > > People use them, too, and look for docs about them, too, and Ruby is not > about just what's popular. OK, now here's my more mature, less snarkish suggestion: Do not link to specific 3rd-party docs. Instead, explain how to find them. Most Ruby projects of any size or popular use have an entry on RubyForge.org. Tell people to search there. I bet that covers 98% of all projects people will look for. People who do not care to use RF for cvs/svn hosting should consider having a bare project entry, with links to where the real code and code live, so as to aid in such discovery. This eliminates any favoritism or popularism , and, more importantly, offloads the maintenance of tool/lib documentation info to the people who actual own the projects. -- James Britt From evan at protest.net Fri Sep 1 17:27:38 2006 From: evan at protest.net (evan at protest.net) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 14:27:38 -0700 Subject: [Vit-discuss] Documentation Page In-Reply-To: <44F8A345.2090204@gmail.com> References: <44F85AA2.5080002@johnwlong.com> <44F8A345.2090204@gmail.com> Message-ID: <197B12D7-F818-4847-B2BE-E01BE5AD1D06@protest.net> On Sep 1, 2006, at 2:16 PM, James Britt wrote: > evan at protest.net wrote: >> Probably a good idea to link to rails documentation page as i'm sure >> folks will come here looking for rails documentation. >> >> http://rubyonrails.org/docs > > And include the Nitro, IOWA, Rmagick, Rake, etc. doc links as well. > > People use them, too, and look for docs about them, too, and Ruby > is not > about just what's popular. But those libraries, as good as they are, don't have 'Ruby' in their name, nor are they the killer app which has taken ruby from a very cool but obscure language to one with thousands of full time paid developers being able to work in the language. Sorry for starting a flamewar here, but the anti-rails bias going in to the ruby-lang website is really disturbing. The site should be about serving the needs of the ruby community, the whole community. Both rails, and all the other good libraries out there should be promoted. -rabble From james.britt at gmail.com Fri Sep 1 17:30:02 2006 From: james.britt at gmail.com (James Britt) Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 14:30:02 -0700 Subject: [Vit-discuss] Documentation Page In-Reply-To: <44F8A2B3.7020506@gmail.com> References: <44F85AA2.5080002@johnwlong.com> <44F860EB.9040209@gmail.com> <44F86589.7040600@johnwlong.com> <44F8A2B3.7020506@gmail.com> Message-ID: <44F8A65A.4030906@gmail.com> James Britt wrote: > John W. Long wrote: > >>James Britt wrote: >> >> >>>The link for "Ruby C API Reference" is out of date. Sadly, so is >>>ruby-doc.org, So I need to run doxygen over the current source. >>> >>>When that happens, the correct link would be >>> >>>http://www.ruby-doc.org/doxygen/1.8.5/index.html >> >> >>Any chance that you could create a redirect for it? Something like this: >> >>http://www.ruby-doc.org/doxygen/stable/ OK: http://www.ruby-doc.org/doxygen/current/index.html Thanks for the idea and the motivation. (Still points to 1.8.4, but when that changes the symlink will be updated, too.) -- James Britt http://www.ruby-doc.org - Ruby Help & Documentation http://www.artima.com/rubycs/ - The Journal By & For Rubyists http://www.rubystuff.com - The Ruby Store for Ruby Stuff http://www.jamesbritt.com - Playing with Better Toys From gavin.kistner at anark.com Fri Sep 1 17:33:17 2006 From: gavin.kistner at anark.com (Gavin Kistner) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 15:33:17 -0600 Subject: [Vit-discuss] Documentation Page Message-ID: >> And include the Nitro, IOWA, Rmagick, Rake, etc. doc links as well. >> >> People use them, too, and look for docs about them, >> too, and Ruby is not >> about just what's popular. > > OK, now here's my more mature, less snarkish suggestion: > > Do not link to specific 3rd-party docs. Instead, explain how to find > them. I agree with you in spirit, but given (what I perceive to be[1]) the overwhelming popularity of Rails, it makes sense to make an exception to the rule. It *will* be favoritist/popularist, but it will also be beneficial to a reasonable percent[2] of users of the site and those that have to support newbs. [1] Based on my random samplings of ruby-talk, and the number of rails-related questions versus other libraries. [2] Based purely on pulling a guess out of my ass. From hramrach at centrum.cz Fri Sep 1 17:37:12 2006 From: hramrach at centrum.cz (Michal Suchanek) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 23:37:12 +0200 Subject: [Vit-discuss] Documentation Page In-Reply-To: <44F85AA2.5080002@johnwlong.com> References: <44F85AA2.5080002@johnwlong.com> Message-ID: On 9/1/06, John W. Long wrote: > I revamped the documentation page this morning: > > http://new.ruby-lang.org/en/documentation/ > > Suggestions? > For me the "Getting started" takes way too much space. It is not that I think documentation for people who just start to use ruby is less valuable. But this part is longer than the browser window so the other parts aren't even visible - much harder to access. Perhaps two colums would solve this? Or internal naviagtion links? Thanks Michal From james.britt at gmail.com Fri Sep 1 17:45:09 2006 From: james.britt at gmail.com (James Britt) Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 14:45:09 -0700 Subject: [Vit-discuss] Documentation Page In-Reply-To: <197B12D7-F818-4847-B2BE-E01BE5AD1D06@protest.net> References: <44F85AA2.5080002@johnwlong.com> <44F8A345.2090204@gmail.com> <197B12D7-F818-4847-B2BE-E01BE5AD1D06@protest.net> Message-ID: <44F8A9E5.4050302@gmail.com> evan at protest.net wrote: > On Sep 1, 2006, at 2:16 PM, James Britt wrote: > > >>evan at protest.net wrote: >> >>>Probably a good idea to link to rails documentation page as i'm sure >>>folks will come here looking for rails documentation. >>> >>>http://rubyonrails.org/docs >> >>And include the Nitro, IOWA, Rmagick, Rake, etc. doc links as well. >> >>People use them, too, and look for docs about them, too, and Ruby >>is not >>about just what's popular. > > > But those libraries, as good as they are, don't have 'Ruby' in their > name, nor are they the killer app which has taken ruby from a very > cool but obscure language to one with thousands of full time paid > developers being able to work in the language. Good. I hope all of that gets mentioned on the Rails site, where it belongs. Be careful, though, in suggesting that merely having "Ruby" in a lib name grants it special status. > > Sorry for starting a flamewar here, but the anti-rails bias going in > to the ruby-lang website is really disturbing. The site should be > about serving the needs of the ruby community, the whole community. > Both rails, and all the other good libraries out there should be > promoted. You are wrong. Asking that the Ruby language site focus on the Ruby language, and not give special care to this or that library, is not anti-Rails. I no more want to see Rake or Nitro or Hpricot got special mention, and that is not because I'm against them, either. -- James Britt http://www.ruby-doc.org - Ruby Help & Documentation http://www.artima.com/rubycs/ - The Journal By & For Rubyists http://www.rubystuff.com - The Ruby Store for Ruby Stuff http://www.jamesbritt.com - Playing with Better Toys From james.britt at gmail.com Fri Sep 1 17:46:52 2006 From: james.britt at gmail.com (James Britt) Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 14:46:52 -0700 Subject: [Vit-discuss] Documentation Page In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44F8AA4C.7070208@gmail.com> Gavin Kistner wrote: > > I agree with you in spirit, but given (what I perceive to be[1]) the > overwhelming popularity of Rails, it makes sense to make an exception to > the rule. It *will* be favoritist/popularist, but it will also be > beneficial to a reasonable percent[2] of users of the site and those > that have to support newbs. > > > [1] Based on my random samplings of ruby-talk, and the number of > rails-related questions versus other libraries. > > [2] Based purely on pulling a guess out of my ass. That there is mistaken conflation of Ruby and Rails is not a good reason to encourage it. -- James Britt From gavin.kistner at anark.com Fri Sep 1 17:53:31 2006 From: gavin.kistner at anark.com (Gavin Kistner) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 15:53:31 -0600 Subject: [Vit-discuss] Documentation Page Message-ID: > That there is mistaken conflation of Ruby and Rails is not a > good reason to encourage it. I'm a purist at heart. I like arguing with people about the original definitions of words. "Gender applies only to parts of speech, not parts of your anatomy. Get your puritanical head out of your puritanical ass and just say 'sex' when you mean 'sex'!" "You don't feel nauseous, you feel nauseated! Fool!" [1] But on the inside, deep down, I accept that language is for communication, and if the majority incorrectly use a term, the majority are in the RIGHT. So, I sit on my old-man porch and pound my cane and yell "hear hear!" to your stance. But internally, and by this message, I respectfully disagree. If 90% of the site visitors are those looking to learn Rails, then for the love of all that's holy, let's help them on their path to using Ruby, not get in their way because they're young and foolish. And on IRC we can curmudgeonly yell "Rails isn't Ruby! JavaScript isn't Java! Whippersnappers, you're all fools!" [1] http://phrogz.net/nodes/nauseous.asp From ng at johnwlong.com Fri Sep 1 18:24:19 2006 From: ng at johnwlong.com (John W. Long) Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 18:24:19 -0400 Subject: [Vit-discuss] Documentation Page In-Reply-To: <197B12D7-F818-4847-B2BE-E01BE5AD1D06@protest.net> References: <44F85AA2.5080002@johnwlong.com> <44F8A345.2090204@gmail.com> <197B12D7-F818-4847-B2BE-E01BE5AD1D06@protest.net> Message-ID: <44F8B313.1030206@johnwlong.com> evan at protest.net wrote: > Sorry for starting a flamewar here, but the anti-rails bias going in > to the ruby-lang website is really disturbing. The site should be > about serving the needs of the ruby community, the whole community. > Both rails, and all the other good libraries out there should be > promoted. For the record I should state that I'm not aware of an anti-Rails bias of any of the members of the visual identity team (the people doing the writing). I happen to enjoy Rails quite a bit. I even programmed a content management system in it once. :-) -- John Long http://wiseheartdesign.com http://radiantcms.org From curt.hibbs at gmail.com Fri Sep 1 20:10:35 2006 From: curt.hibbs at gmail.com (Curt Hibbs) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 19:10:35 -0500 Subject: [Vit-discuss] Documentation Page In-Reply-To: <44F8B313.1030206@johnwlong.com> References: <44F85AA2.5080002@johnwlong.com> <44F8A345.2090204@gmail.com> <197B12D7-F818-4847-B2BE-E01BE5AD1D06@protest.net> <44F8B313.1030206@johnwlong.com> Message-ID: <31d15f490609011710q12a27b82wa1d3666e2a2263a8@mail.gmail.com> On 9/1/06, John W. Long wrote: > > evan at protest.net wrote: > > Sorry for starting a flamewar here, but the anti-rails bias going in > > to the ruby-lang website is really disturbing. The site should be > > about serving the needs of the ruby community, the whole community. > > Both rails, and all the other good libraries out there should be > > promoted. > > For the record I should state that I'm not aware of an anti-Rails bias > of any of the members of the visual identity team (the people doing the > writing). I happen to enjoy Rails quite a bit. I even programmed a > content management system in it once. :-) > I certainly agree with John. I'm the guy that started and has been managing the ruby-lang redesign group and I'm one of the biggest promoters of Rails (just had my Rails book published). This site is about Ruby. Rails is a part of that, but this is not a Rails-centric site (Rails has its very own sucessful site for that). Curt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Long) Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 07:50:53 -0400 Subject: [Vit-discuss] Mailing List Page In-Reply-To: References: <44F328DC.9050804@johnwlong.com> <44F5B209.60803@johnwlong.com> Message-ID: <44F9701D.4020908@johnwlong.com> Michal Suchanek wrote: > On 8/30/06, John W. Long wrote: >> Michal Suchanek wrote: >>> Oh, and the form does not work. I get a Rails error. Should it? >> Something broke. I'm looking into it... >> > > I still cannot subscribe using that page. It says I should receive an > email but afaict I did not get any. So no error this time, but you don't receive the confirmation e-mail as you should? -- John Long http://wiseheartdesign.com From hramrach at centrum.cz Sat Sep 2 10:21:53 2006 From: hramrach at centrum.cz (Michal Suchanek) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 16:21:53 +0200 Subject: [Vit-discuss] Mailing List Page In-Reply-To: <44F9701D.4020908@johnwlong.com> References: <44F328DC.9050804@johnwlong.com> <44F5B209.60803@johnwlong.com> <44F9701D.4020908@johnwlong.com> Message-ID: On 9/2/06, John W. Long wrote: > Michal Suchanek wrote: > > On 8/30/06, John W. Long wrote: > >> Michal Suchanek wrote: > >>> Oh, and the form does not work. I get a Rails error. Should it? > >> Something broke. I'm looking into it... > >> > > > > I still cannot subscribe using that page. It says I should receive an > > email but afaict I did not get any. > > So no error this time, but you don't receive the confirmation e-mail as > you should? > Yes, I do not see any. Thanks Michal From mike at lepton.fr Sun Sep 3 05:09:03 2006 From: mike at lepton.fr (Michael Witrant) Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:09:03 +0200 Subject: [Vit-discuss] Logo license Message-ID: <44FA9BAF.5080006@lepton.fr> Is the logo on http://new.ruby-lang.org/ freely usable? What's the license? (sorry if you've received this email twice) mike From martin.ankerl at gmail.com Sun Sep 3 06:39:11 2006 From: martin.ankerl at gmail.com (Martin Ankerl) Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 12:39:11 +0200 Subject: [Vit-discuss] Ruby-Lang Redesign Feedback Requested In-Reply-To: References: <44F3A524.30006@johnwlong.com> <44F3AC8A.2070806@weirichhouse.org> <44F3AD9F.6000502@johnwlong.com> Message-ID: Hi, here is another layouting bug seen with Opera 9.0, from the page http://new.ruby-lang.org/en/about/ The code box is too high, so the right corner looks strange. 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Similarily if my browser window is too narrow or obscured by another window I could easily overlook the sidebar. It looks like there are links in each link group that are not reachable through the other. I found - News - About ruby - Ruby Core I would really like if the sidebar was something like shortcuts. Display the same links as the top bar but some in greater deatail. ie if Documantation is relevant for current page, display not only the link to Documenation page but also a submenu with selected links from that page. If it is not, display only the single link. From pat.eyler at gmail.com Mon Sep 4 14:09:30 2006 From: pat.eyler at gmail.com (pat eyler) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 12:09:30 -0600 Subject: [Vit-discuss] Top Ruby Projects algorithm? In-Reply-To: <6fd0654b0608251420p115c9a26s5f8233723b8d0877@mail.gmail.com> References: <44EE2136.60401@johnwlong.com> <44EF0390.9000303@gmail.com> <44EF609E.2070103@johnwlong.com> <44EF641C.9070500@johnwlong.com> <6fd0654b0608251420p115c9a26s5f8233723b8d0877@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6fd0654b0609041109o3d6c8acbt9df97ca32215a70f@mail.gmail.com> On 8/25/06, pat eyler wrote: > Since it doesn't look like this is going to go on the ruby-lang home page, > I'd be happy to post one of these a week on the O'Reilly Ruby blog if > people wanted to send them to me. (To avoid a nasty queue, please > drop me an email before sending in a write up -- I'll try to keep two > or three on hand, and will take new ones as my stockpile drains.) > Just to keep people up to date on this, I posted the first of these spotlights this morning: http://www.oreillynet.com/ruby/blog/2006/09/spotlight_on_glark.html Martin did a great write up. If anyone else is interested in writing something up, please let me know -- I'd be happy to post them up at ORA. -- thanks, -pate ------------------------- http://on-ruby.blogspot.com From james.britt at gmail.com Mon Sep 4 14:25:15 2006 From: james.britt at gmail.com (James Britt) Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 11:25:15 -0700 Subject: [Vit-discuss] Top Ruby Projects algorithm? In-Reply-To: <6fd0654b0609041109o3d6c8acbt9df97ca32215a70f@mail.gmail.com> References: <44EE2136.60401@johnwlong.com> <44EF0390.9000303@gmail.com> <44EF609E.2070103@johnwlong.com> <44EF641C.9070500@johnwlong.com> <6fd0654b0608251420p115c9a26s5f8233723b8d0877@mail.gmail.com> <6fd0654b0609041109o3d6c8acbt9df97ca32215a70f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44FC6F8B.3010207@gmail.com> pat eyler wrote: > > Just to keep people up to date on this, I posted the first of these spotlights > this morning: > > http://www.oreillynet.com/ruby/blog/2006/09/spotlight_on_glark.html Thanks, this is quite good. > > Martin did a great write up. If anyone else is interested in writing something > up, please let me know -- I'd be happy to post them up at ORA. Can these be auto-posted on, or auto-linked from, ruby-lang.org? Much better than the American Idol approach to library listings. -- James Britt From martindemello at gmail.com Mon Sep 4 14:29:51 2006 From: martindemello at gmail.com (Martin DeMello) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 23:59:51 +0530 Subject: [Vit-discuss] Top Ruby Projects algorithm? In-Reply-To: <44FC6F8B.3010207@gmail.com> References: <44EE2136.60401@johnwlong.com> <44EF0390.9000303@gmail.com> <44EF609E.2070103@johnwlong.com> <44EF641C.9070500@johnwlong.com> <6fd0654b0608251420p115c9a26s5f8233723b8d0877@mail.gmail.com> <6fd0654b0609041109o3d6c8acbt9df97ca32215a70f@mail.gmail.com> <44FC6F8B.3010207@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 9/4/06, James Britt wrote: > Can these be auto-posted on, or auto-linked from, ruby-lang.org? > > Much better than the American Idol approach to library listings. We've gone full circle :) I came up with the spotlight idea as an alternative to the library listings; Pat kindly offered to run them on the O'Reilly blog when that idea was vetoed. martin From james.britt at gmail.com Mon Sep 4 15:07:32 2006 From: james.britt at gmail.com (James Britt) Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 12:07:32 -0700 Subject: [Vit-discuss] Top Ruby Projects algorithm? In-Reply-To: References: <44EE2136.60401@johnwlong.com> <44EF0390.9000303@gmail.com> <44EF609E.2070103@johnwlong.com> <44EF641C.9070500@johnwlong.com> <6fd0654b0608251420p115c9a26s5f8233723b8d0877@mail.gmail.com> <6fd0654b0609041109o3d6c8acbt9df97ca32215a70f@mail.gmail.com> <44FC6F8B.3010207@gmail.com> Message-ID: <44FC7974.1000601@gmail.com> Martin DeMello wrote: > We've gone full circle :) I came up with the spotlight idea as an > alternative to the library listings; Pat kindly offered to run them on > the O'Reilly blog when that idea was vetoed. Sorry; I missed the post where it went from discussion topic to rejected by some vote or decree. It's unclear to me how such things get decided, or when, though it seems that whomever is doing the actual work on this or that just makes a decision and goes with it. (Which may be a reasonable way to do things. At least stuff gets done.) -- James Britt From martindemello at gmail.com Mon Sep 4 15:15:37 2006 From: martindemello at gmail.com (Martin DeMello) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 00:45:37 +0530 Subject: [Vit-discuss] Top Ruby Projects algorithm? In-Reply-To: <44FC7974.1000601@gmail.com> References: <44EF609E.2070103@johnwlong.com> <44EF641C.9070500@johnwlong.com> <6fd0654b0608251420p115c9a26s5f8233723b8d0877@mail.gmail.com> <6fd0654b0609041109o3d6c8acbt9df97ca32215a70f@mail.gmail.com> <44FC6F8B.3010207@gmail.com> <44FC7974.1000601@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 9/5/06, James Britt wrote: > Martin DeMello wrote: > > > We've gone full circle :) I came up with the spotlight idea as an > > alternative to the library listings; Pat kindly offered to run them on > > the O'Reilly blog when that idea was vetoed. > > Sorry; I missed the post where it went from discussion topic to rejected > by some vote or decree. It's unclear to me how such things get > decided, or when, though it seems that whomever is doing the actual work > on this or that just makes a decision and goes with it. (Which may be > a reasonable way to do things. At least stuff gets done.) The design decision was "automated is better than non-", which I actually agree with. Would still like to see the spotlights somewhere on the ruby-lang page at some point, if not necessarily replacing the "top projects". martin From pat.eyler at gmail.com Mon Sep 4 16:21:32 2006 From: pat.eyler at gmail.com (pat eyler) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 14:21:32 -0600 Subject: [Vit-discuss] Top Ruby Projects algorithm? In-Reply-To: References: <44EF609E.2070103@johnwlong.com> <44EF641C.9070500@johnwlong.com> <6fd0654b0608251420p115c9a26s5f8233723b8d0877@mail.gmail.com> <6fd0654b0609041109o3d6c8acbt9df97ca32215a70f@mail.gmail.com> <44FC6F8B.3010207@gmail.com> <44FC7974.1000601@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6fd0654b0609041321j756dbcf0wa7f9b4f7513a1f3b@mail.gmail.com> On 9/4/06, Martin DeMello wrote: > On 9/5/06, James Britt wrote: > > Martin DeMello wrote: > > > > > We've gone full circle :) I came up with the spotlight idea as an > > > alternative to the library listings; Pat kindly offered to run them on > > > the O'Reilly blog when that idea was vetoed. > > > > Sorry; I missed the post where it went from discussion topic to rejected > > by some vote or decree. It's unclear to me how such things get > > decided, or when, though it seems that whomever is doing the actual work > > on this or that just makes a decision and goes with it. (Which may be > > a reasonable way to do things. At least stuff gets done.) > > The design decision was "automated is better than non-", which I > actually agree with. Would still like to see the spotlights somewhere > on the ruby-lang page at some point, if not necessarily replacing the > "top projects". They can be reused from the ORA Ruby blog (the license is here: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.5/ ), or the original author (in this case, Martin) should be able to separately license the material to the ruby-lang website. I'd certainly like to see the materials on the ruby-lang website if the maintainers are willing. My offer to post them at ORA was a "second best". The main thing to me is that we get them in front of the Ruby community. > > martin > _______________________________________________ > vit-discuss mailing list > vit-discuss at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/vit-discuss > -- thanks, -pate ------------------------- http://on-ruby.blogspot.com From james at grayproductions.net Tue Sep 5 09:28:32 2006 From: james at grayproductions.net (James Edward Gray II) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 08:28:32 -0500 Subject: [Vit-discuss] multiple link sections In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <410EEE8E-B0D3-488C-8C4F-3E48D46C0D5E@grayproductions.net> On Sep 4, 2006, at 10:04 AM, Michal Suchanek wrote: > It looks like there are links in each link group that are not > reachable through the other. > > I found > - News > - About ruby > - Ruby Core I agree that Ruby Core should be mentioned on the Community home page. _why, would you mind if we snuck a link into your hard work there? James Edward Gray II From james at grayproductions.net Tue Sep 5 09:53:30 2006 From: james at grayproductions.net (James Edward Gray II) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 08:53:30 -0500 Subject: [Vit-discuss] Top Ruby Projects algorithm? In-Reply-To: <44FC7974.1000601@gmail.com> References: <44EE2136.60401@johnwlong.com> <44EF0390.9000303@gmail.com> <44EF609E.2070103@johnwlong.com> <44EF641C.9070500@johnwlong.com> <6fd0654b0608251420p115c9a26s5f8233723b8d0877@mail.gmail.com> <6fd0654b0609041109o3d6c8acbt9df97ca32215a70f@mail.gmail.com> <44FC6F8B.3010207@gmail.com> <44FC7974.1000601@gmail.com> Message-ID: <593EAFE3-DF24-48D0-A2C3-CB85DFF31280@grayproductions.net> On Sep 4, 2006, at 2:07 PM, James Britt wrote: > It's unclear to me how such things get > decided, or when, though it seems that whomever is doing the actual > work > on this or that just makes a decision and goes with it. (Which > may be > a reasonable way to do things. At least stuff gets done.) That's how we do it, yes. It's probably not the most democratic process we realize, but it's hard to imagine slowing a process that has taken over a year down even more. We really do want the majority of the community to love the majority of the site, but sometimes we have to make a judgement call so things can move forward. I was for the excerpts over the semi-random listing when it was discussed, but John felt it would be a maintenance sink. Now that I've seen the excellent write-up on glark, I realize how right he was. We can't fit that much info in the sidebar, so we would have to settle for links to pages on the site somewhere. The pages need to continue to be made and the links updated... Did I mention that it took over a year to get the content we have now? ;) We want to keep the Ruby Home Page more static than that. Let's let the Blogosphere fill that role, since it's more suited to the task. James Edward Gray II From ng at johnwlong.com Sat Sep 9 11:30:09 2006 From: ng at johnwlong.com (John W. Long) Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 11:30:09 -0400 Subject: [Vit-discuss] Logo license In-Reply-To: <44FA9BAF.5080006@lepton.fr> References: <44FA9BAF.5080006@lepton.fr> Message-ID: <4502DE01.9080304@johnwlong.com> Michael Witrant wrote: > Is the logo on http://new.ruby-lang.org/ freely usable? What's the license? It doesn't have an official license right now. But if you e-mail me privately and explain what you want to do, I can send you a zip with logo in a couple of different formats. -- John Long http://wiseheartdesign.com From ng at johnwlong.com Mon Sep 11 17:22:51 2006 From: ng at johnwlong.com (John W. Long) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 17:22:51 -0400 Subject: [Vit-discuss] Ruby Conferences Page Message-ID: <4505D3AB.7060801@johnwlong.com> David Black was kind enough to put together a conferences page for us: http://new.ruby-lang.org/en/community/conferences/ -- John From james at grayproductions.net Mon Sep 11 18:16:47 2006 From: james at grayproductions.net (James Edward Gray II) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 17:16:47 -0500 Subject: [Vit-discuss] [Vit-core] Ruby Conferences Page In-Reply-To: <4505D3AB.7060801@johnwlong.com> References: <4505D3AB.7060801@johnwlong.com> Message-ID: On Sep 11, 2006, at 4:22 PM, John W. Long wrote: > David Black was kind enough to put together a conferences page for us: > > http://new.ruby-lang.org/en/community/conferences/ And it's just lovely, if I do say so myself. Thank you David! James Edward Gray II From pat.eyler at gmail.com Mon Sep 11 19:17:54 2006 From: pat.eyler at gmail.com (pat eyler) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 17:17:54 -0600 Subject: [Vit-discuss] Ruby Conferences Page In-Reply-To: <4505D3AB.7060801@johnwlong.com> References: <4505D3AB.7060801@johnwlong.com> Message-ID: <6fd0654b0609111617l16500d0fx52780d0c2c040b45@mail.gmail.com> On 9/11/06, John W. Long wrote: > David Black was kind enough to put together a conferences page for us: > > http://new.ruby-lang.org/en/community/conferences/ > The link to sdforum is broken. It shoild be: http://www.sdforum.org > -- > John > _______________________________________________ > vit-discuss mailing list > vit-discuss at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/vit-discuss > -- thanks, -pate ------------------------- http://on-ruby.blogspot.com From ng at johnwlong.com Mon Sep 11 19:46:14 2006 From: ng at johnwlong.com (John W. Long) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 19:46:14 -0400 Subject: [Vit-discuss] Ruby Conferences Page In-Reply-To: <6fd0654b0609111617l16500d0fx52780d0c2c040b45@mail.gmail.com> References: <4505D3AB.7060801@johnwlong.com> <6fd0654b0609111617l16500d0fx52780d0c2c040b45@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4505F546.9070404@johnwlong.com> pat eyler wrote: > On 9/11/06, John W. Long wrote: >> David Black was kind enough to put together a conferences page for us: >> >> http://new.ruby-lang.org/en/community/conferences/ >> > > The link to sdforum is broken. It should be: > > http://www.sdforum.org Good catch. Thanks Pat! -- John Long http://wiseheartdesign.com From ng at johnwlong.com Mon Sep 11 23:12:57 2006 From: ng at johnwlong.com (John W. Long) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 23:12:57 -0400 Subject: [Vit-discuss] Site Launched Message-ID: <450625B9.6000806@johnwlong.com> Woohoo! It's live: http://ruby-lang.org -- John From rsanheim at gmail.com Mon Sep 11 23:17:36 2006 From: rsanheim at gmail.com (Rob Sanheim) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:17:36 -0500 Subject: [Vit-discuss] Site Launched In-Reply-To: <450625B9.6000806@johnwlong.com> References: <450625B9.6000806@johnwlong.com> Message-ID: On 9/11/06, John W. Long wrote: > Woohoo! It's live: > > http://ruby-lang.org > > Congrats - nice work! go digg it: http://digg.com/programming/Redesigned_Ruby_Site_Launched - rob -- http://www.robsanheim.com http://www.seekingalpha.com http://www.ajaxian.com From hramrach at centrum.cz Tue Sep 12 08:18:40 2006 From: hramrach at centrum.cz (Michal Suchanek) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:18:40 +0200 Subject: [Vit-discuss] The ML page working? Message-ID: Hello I have asked abou it already, and got no definitive answer. I tried to join ruby-core using the ML page of the new site, and it did not work. It said I should receive an email but I have never seen any. Thanks Michal From ng at johnwlong.com Tue Sep 12 08:32:45 2006 From: ng at johnwlong.com (John W. Long) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 08:32:45 -0400 Subject: [Vit-discuss] The ML page working? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4506A8ED.7030609@johnwlong.com> Michal Suchanek wrote: > I have asked abou it already, and got no definitive answer. > > I tried to join ruby-core using the ML page of the new site, and it > did not work. > > It said I should receive an email but I have never seen any. This is probably still an issue. I suspect that the somewhere along the way the confirmation e-mail is getting flagged as spam before it gets to you. Is there any way for you to verify that that is not the case? Can you try subscribing a different address? -- John Long http://wiseheartdesign.com From hramrach at centrum.cz Tue Sep 12 09:02:40 2006 From: hramrach at centrum.cz (Michal Suchanek) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:02:40 +0200 Subject: [Vit-discuss] The ML page working? In-Reply-To: <4506A8ED.7030609@johnwlong.com> References: <4506A8ED.7030609@johnwlong.com> Message-ID: On 9/12/06, John W. Long wrote: > Michal Suchanek wrote: > > I have asked abou it already, and got no definitive answer. > > > > I tried to join ruby-core using the ML page of the new site, and it > > did not work. > > > > It said I should receive an email but I have never seen any. > > This is probably still an issue. I suspect that the somewhere along the > way the confirmation e-mail is getting flagged as spam before it gets to > you. Is there any way for you to verify that that is not the case? Can > you try subscribing a different address? It is not in the spam folder either. When I subscribe another address I get a prety quick response, and it is not marked as spam (and it gets to the same inbox to which emails for this address get, and I am already subscribed to ruby-talk with this address). However, he manual way does not work either so it is probably not related to the web interface. Thanks Michal From ng at johnwlong.com Tue Sep 12 09:13:08 2006 From: ng at johnwlong.com (John W. Long) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:13:08 -0400 Subject: [Vit-discuss] The ML page working? In-Reply-To: References: <4506A8ED.7030609@johnwlong.com> Message-ID: <4506B264.3090505@johnwlong.com> Michal Suchanek wrote: > It is not in the spam folder either. Some ISP's automatically reject mail that they think is spam. > When I subscribe another address I get a prety quick response, and it > is not marked as spam (and it gets to the same inbox to which emails > for this address get, and I am already subscribed to ruby-talk with > this address). However, he manual way does not work either so it is > probably not related to the web interface. For people who have trouble I've added the following page: http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/community/mailing-lists/manual-instructions/ -- John Long http://wiseheartdesign.com From james.britt at gmail.com Tue Sep 12 10:26:43 2006 From: james.britt at gmail.com (James Britt) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 07:26:43 -0700 Subject: [Vit-discuss] Site Launched In-Reply-To: <450625B9.6000806@johnwlong.com> References: <450625B9.6000806@johnwlong.com> Message-ID: <4506C3A3.7050708@gmail.com> John W. Long wrote: > Woohoo! It's live: > > http://ruby-lang.org Great work. But: Broken C API docs link. The link on the documentation page to the Ruby C API is wrong. It should be: http://www.ruby-doc.org/doxygen/current/ Thanks, -- James Britt http://www.ruby-doc.org - Ruby Help & Documentation http://www.artima.com/rubycs/ - The Journal By & For Rubyists http://www.rubystuff.com - The Ruby Store for Ruby Stuff http://www.jamesbritt.com - Playing with Better Toys From ng at johnwlong.com Tue Sep 12 10:44:30 2006 From: ng at johnwlong.com (John W. Long) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 10:44:30 -0400 Subject: [Vit-discuss] Site Launched In-Reply-To: <4506C3A3.7050708@gmail.com> References: <450625B9.6000806@johnwlong.com> <4506C3A3.7050708@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4506C7CE.8040807@johnwlong.com> James Britt wrote: > But: Broken C API docs link. > > The link on the documentation page to the Ruby C API is wrong. > > It should be: > > http://www.ruby-doc.org/doxygen/current/ Sorry about this! I remember mentioned this before. It's fixed now. -- John Long http://wiseheartdesign.com From james.britt at gmail.com Tue Sep 12 10:53:48 2006 From: james.britt at gmail.com (James Britt) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 07:53:48 -0700 Subject: [Vit-discuss] Site Launched In-Reply-To: <4506C7CE.8040807@johnwlong.com> References: <450625B9.6000806@johnwlong.com> <4506C3A3.7050708@gmail.com> <4506C7CE.8040807@johnwlong.com> Message-ID: <4506C9FC.1090305@gmail.com> John W. Long wrote: > > > Sorry about this! I remember mentioned this before. It's fixed now. > Thanks! -- James Britt From michel at soveran.org Tue Sep 12 11:52:30 2006 From: michel at soveran.org (Michel Martens) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 17:52:30 +0200 Subject: [Vit-discuss] Site Launched In-Reply-To: <450625B9.6000806@johnwlong.com> References: <450625B9.6000806@johnwlong.com> Message-ID: <6a6506460609120852m188b872fx36a5a260fb11082b@mail.gmail.com> Congratulations everyone! Michel From chiology at gmail.com Tue Sep 12 18:10:50 2006 From: chiology at gmail.com (Matt Todd) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:10:50 -0400 Subject: [Vit-discuss] Ruby compared to other languages... Message-ID: <2a8d4a710609121510m27e13fcdif064085713ae5de2@mail.gmail.com> Is it possible to have equivalent example blocks of code for the languages? I'd be willing to submit a few... cities = %w[ London Oslo Paris Amsterdam Berlin ] visited = %w[Berlin Oslo] puts "I still need " + "to visit the " + "following cities:", cities - visited vs... $cities = array("London", "Oslo", "Paris", "Amsterdam", "Berlin"); $visited = array("Berlin", "Oslo"); print "I still need" . "to visit the " . "the following cities: \n" . implode("\n", array_diff($cities, $visited)); Yeah, it is ugly, isn't it? M.T. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/vit-discuss/attachments/20060912/1c541812/attachment.html From gavin.kistner at anark.com Tue Sep 12 18:49:34 2006 From: gavin.kistner at anark.com (Gavin Kistner) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:49:34 -0600 Subject: [Vit-discuss] Ruby compared to other languages... Message-ID: > Is it possible to have equivalent example blocks of code for the > languages? I'd be willing to submit a few... I understand the desire, but I would argue against it for three reasons: 1) Have you seen how little screen real-estate there is for code snippets? There's barely enough for the Ruby code alone; no room for putting a comparison in there. 2) Let's celebrate Ruby. Poking fun at other languages' syntax just gets down in the mud. 3) I'd rather not potentially confuse a newcomer who _might_ see such code from another language and say "Ewww, that's Ruby? Gross." From chiology at gmail.com Tue Sep 12 22:46:42 2006 From: chiology at gmail.com (Matt Todd) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 22:46:42 -0400 Subject: [Vit-discuss] Ruby compared to other languages... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2a8d4a710609121946j52d358b2w5edb4244f98715f7@mail.gmail.com> > I understand the desire, but I would argue against it for three reasons: > > 1) Have you seen how little screen real-estate there is for code > snippets? There's barely enough for the Ruby code alone; no room for > putting a comparison in there. That's addressed by the relatively short lengths of the code (taking the front-page samples, for instance) and displaying Ruby first and then the secondary language, second. > 2) Let's celebrate Ruby. Poking fun at other languages' syntax just gets > down in the mud. Actually, I meant no fun by it, but a real-world comparison of how Ruby compares to others. For instance, in the previous example, you see how Ruby treats things as objects, but PHP decidedly does not. > 3) I'd rather not potentially confuse a newcomer who _might_ see such > code from another language and say "Ewww, that's Ruby? Gross." If they are at these pages already, I believe that they are already in tune with a comparison and will look at the labels if they have troubles clarifying. I may be giving our readership too much credit, but the sheer fact that they are on the page that they are on is because they are curious. I think it's good that we go over the different philosophical et al differences, but I don't think it's enough unless we actually _show_ them a tiny sample of what's different. M.T. From james.britt at gmail.com Tue Sep 12 23:00:32 2006 From: james.britt at gmail.com (James Britt) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 20:00:32 -0700 Subject: [Vit-discuss] Ruby compared to other languages... In-Reply-To: <2a8d4a710609121946j52d358b2w5edb4244f98715f7@mail.gmail.com> References: <2a8d4a710609121946j52d358b2w5edb4244f98715f7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45077450.4090605@gmail.com> Matt Todd wrote: > >>2) Let's celebrate Ruby. Poking fun at other languages' syntax just gets >>down in the mud. > > > Actually, I meant no fun by it, but a real-world comparison of how > Ruby compares to others. For instance, in the previous example, you > see how Ruby treats things as objects, but PHP decidedly does not. Yeah, but these things always end poorly, and no one comes out looking good, no matter the intentions. -- James Britt http://www.ruby-doc.org - Ruby Help & Documentation http://www.artima.com/rubycs/ - The Journal By & For Rubyists http://www.rubystuff.com - The Ruby Store for Ruby Stuff http://www.jamesbritt.com - Playing with Better Toys From chiology at gmail.com Tue Sep 12 23:32:41 2006 From: chiology at gmail.com (Matt Todd) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 23:32:41 -0400 Subject: [Vit-discuss] Ruby compared to other languages... In-Reply-To: <45077450.4090605@gmail.com> References: <2a8d4a710609121946j52d358b2w5edb4244f98715f7@mail.gmail.com> <45077450.4090605@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2a8d4a710609122032u6ade8b0dwe36bbcb0061bcd1c@mail.gmail.com> > >>2) Let's celebrate Ruby. Poking fun at other languages' syntax just gets > >>down in the mud. > > > > Actually, I meant no fun by it, but a real-world comparison of how > > Ruby compares to others. For instance, in the previous example, you > > see how Ruby treats things as objects, but PHP decidedly does not. > > Yeah, but these things always end poorly, and no one comes out looking > good, no matter the intentions. If that's so, then shouldn't we avoid the "Ruby from other languages" articles, like this one? http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/documentation/ruby-from-other-languages/to-ruby-from-php/ It sounds to me that you are against it. M.T. From james.britt at gmail.com Wed Sep 13 00:13:32 2006 From: james.britt at gmail.com (James Britt) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 21:13:32 -0700 Subject: [Vit-discuss] Ruby compared to other languages... In-Reply-To: <2a8d4a710609122032u6ade8b0dwe36bbcb0061bcd1c@mail.gmail.com> References: <2a8d4a710609121946j52d358b2w5edb4244f98715f7@mail.gmail.com> <45077450.4090605@gmail.com> <2a8d4a710609122032u6ade8b0dwe36bbcb0061bcd1c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4507856C.5080507@gmail.com> Matt Todd wrote: >>>>2) Let's celebrate Ruby. Poking fun at other languages' syntax just gets >>>>down in the mud. >>> >>>Actually, I meant no fun by it, but a real-world comparison of how >>>Ruby compares to others. For instance, in the previous example, you >>>see how Ruby treats things as objects, but PHP decidedly does not. >> >>Yeah, but these things always end poorly, and no one comes out looking >>good, no matter the intentions. > > > If that's so, then shouldn't we avoid the "Ruby from other languages" > articles, like this one? > http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/documentation/ruby-from-other-languages/to-ruby-from-php/ > Depends. Longer articles have the opportunity to present a more accurate assessment of a language's pros and cons, so it's less likely to come off as a simplistic propaganda when offering substantial practical information on doing similar tasks in different languages. I don't remember enough PHP to say if that particular article is balanced or not, though it seems pretty benign. It avoids an actual code, so there's less chance someone will complain that the PHP code is poorly written, or wrong, or deceptive, or whatever. Short, one-off comparisons meant to portray one language as better/cleaner/prettier than another (and that's really what this is about) end up as flame wars. In the end, it's distracting from the site and from Ruby. -- James Britt http://www.ruby-doc.org - Ruby Help & Documentation http://www.artima.com/rubycs/ - The Journal By & For Rubyists http://www.rubystuff.com - The Ruby Store for Ruby Stuff http://www.jamesbritt.com - Playing with Better Toys From hgs at dmu.ac.uk Wed Sep 13 06:13:14 2006 From: hgs at dmu.ac.uk (Hugh Sasse) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:13:14 +0100 (WEST) Subject: [Vit-discuss] Ruby-lang web server options. Message-ID: I've been using wget to get the pages from ruby-lang.org, with a view to creating an alternate style sheet. Somebody turned off my PC, so I had to restart this and added the -N option to not get anything I'd already got. As a result I see: HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK Length: unspecified [text/html] Last-modified header missing -- time-stamps turned off. I'm thinking that it might be useful to get timestamping turned on. I've read up a bit on things like this, a while back, and I couldn't actually figure out how to get apache to do this, or to add Etags which seems to be difficult on an NFS file system, IIRC, anyway. It might also benefit the server if mod_gzip were available, (which it may be). All of these features are intended to reduce bandwith by allowing the client to know that things haven't changed, except for mod_gzip which does it by means of compression. Anyway, if anyone has good recipes for getting this stuff working I'd be interested for our server. Hugh From ng at johnwlong.com Wed Sep 13 08:20:59 2006 From: ng at johnwlong.com (John W. Long) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 08:20:59 -0400 Subject: [Vit-discuss] Ruby-lang web server options. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4507F7AB.7020904@johnwlong.com> Hugh Sasse wrote: > I'm thinking that it might be useful to get timestamping turned on. > I've read up a bit on things like this, a while back, and I couldn't > actually figure out how to get apache to do this, or to add Etags > which seems to be difficult on an NFS file system, IIRC, anyway. It > might also benefit the server if mod_gzip were available, (which it > may be). All of these features are intended to reduce bandwith by > allowing the client to know that things haven't changed, except for > mod_gzip which does it by means of compression. > > Anyway, if anyone has good recipes for getting this stuff working > I'd be interested for our server. If you'd like to write a plugin for Radiant that turns adds these headers I'm totally open to adding the functionality. I think you would need to do is add a couple of before and after filters to the SiteController. The Page object in Radiant does have a updated_at field. -- John Long http://wiseheartdesign.com http://radiantcms.org From james at grayproductions.net Wed Sep 13 08:52:51 2006 From: james at grayproductions.net (James Edward Gray II) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 07:52:51 -0500 Subject: [Vit-discuss] Ruby compared to other languages... In-Reply-To: <45077450.4090605@gmail.com> References: <2a8d4a710609121946j52d358b2w5edb4244f98715f7@mail.gmail.com> <45077450.4090605@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1F5D38DF-1572-4F17-A7E5-242A76787E36@grayproductions.net> On Sep 12, 2006, at 10:00 PM, James Britt wrote: > Matt Todd wrote: > >> >>> 2) Let's celebrate Ruby. Poking fun at other languages' syntax >>> just gets >>> down in the mud. >> >> >> Actually, I meant no fun by it, but a real-world comparison of how >> Ruby compares to others. For instance, in the previous example, you >> see how Ruby treats things as objects, but PHP decidedly does not. > > Yeah, but these things always end poorly, and no one comes out looking > good, no matter the intentions. I agree, it feels like mud slinging to me. I know that's not intended, but I believe it's best avoided for that reason. James Edward Gray II From james at grayproductions.net Wed Sep 13 08:56:58 2006 From: james at grayproductions.net (James Edward Gray II) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 07:56:58 -0500 Subject: [Vit-discuss] Ruby compared to other languages... In-Reply-To: <4507856C.5080507@gmail.com> References: <2a8d4a710609121946j52d358b2w5edb4244f98715f7@mail.gmail.com> <45077450.4090605@gmail.com> <2a8d4a710609122032u6ade8b0dwe36bbcb0061bcd1c@mail.gmail.com> <4507856C.5080507@gmail.com> Message-ID: <83678888-2676-4287-8A9B-88FEA69E4180@grayproductions.net> On Sep 12, 2006, at 11:13 PM, James Britt wrote: > I don't remember enough PHP to say if that particular article is > balanced or not, though it seems pretty benign. We made a very big effort to keep this whole section non-offensive in nature. It's intended as a guide to those familiar with other languages, helping them learn the differences. James Edward Gray II From hgs at dmu.ac.uk Wed Sep 13 09:17:11 2006 From: hgs at dmu.ac.uk (Hugh Sasse) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:17:11 +0100 (WEST) Subject: [Vit-discuss] Ruby-lang web server options. In-Reply-To: <4507F7AB.7020904@johnwlong.com> References: <4507F7AB.7020904@johnwlong.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Sep 2006, John W. Long wrote: > Hugh Sasse wrote: > > I'm thinking that it might be useful to get timestamping turned on. > > I've read up a bit on things like this, a while back, and I couldn't > > actually figure out how to get apache to do this, or to add Etags > > which seems to be difficult on an NFS file system, IIRC, anyway. It > > might also benefit the server if mod_gzip were available, (which it > > may be). All of these features are intended to reduce bandwith by > > allowing the client to know that things haven't changed, except for > > mod_gzip which does it by means of compression. > > > > Anyway, if anyone has good recipes for getting this stuff working > > I'd be interested for our server. > > If you'd like to write a plugin for Radiant that turns adds these Oh, it's radiant, not apache. > headers I'm totally open to adding the functionality. I think you would > need to do is add a couple of before and after filters to the > SiteController. The Page object in Radiant does have a updated_at field. I'll have a look, but I'm completely unfamiliar with the code base. > Hugh From chiology at gmail.com Wed Sep 13 09:46:34 2006 From: chiology at gmail.com (Matt Todd) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 09:46:34 -0400 Subject: [Vit-discuss] Ruby compared to other languages... In-Reply-To: <83678888-2676-4287-8A9B-88FEA69E4180@grayproductions.net> References: <2a8d4a710609121946j52d358b2w5edb4244f98715f7@mail.gmail.com> <45077450.4090605@gmail.com> <2a8d4a710609122032u6ade8b0dwe36bbcb0061bcd1c@mail.gmail.com> <4507856C.5080507@gmail.com> <83678888-2676-4287-8A9B-88FEA69E4180@grayproductions.net> Message-ID: <2a8d4a710609130646m39f9117fsf4b761280eed648@mail.gmail.com> On 9/13/06, James Edward Gray II wrote: > > On Sep 12, 2006, at 11:13 PM, James Britt wrote: > > > I don't remember enough PHP to say if that particular article is > > balanced or not, though it seems pretty benign. > > We made a very big effort to keep this whole section non-offensive in > nature. It's intended as a guide to those familiar with other > languages, helping them learn the differences. Well, I disagree that what I suggest would be offensive (and, in fact, find it pretty benign itself), but there's not much I can do about that. ;) I guess we have to agree to disagree... M.T. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/vit-discuss/attachments/20060913/8b6fc747/attachment.html From hgs at dmu.ac.uk Wed Sep 13 10:23:36 2006 From: hgs at dmu.ac.uk (Hugh Sasse) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:23:36 +0100 (WEST) Subject: [Vit-discuss] Ruby-lang web server options. In-Reply-To: References: <4507F7AB.7020904@johnwlong.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Sep 2006, Hugh Sasse wrote: > On Wed, 13 Sep 2006, John W. Long wrote: > > > If you'd like to write a plugin for Radiant that turns adds these > > Oh, it's radiant, not apache. OK, I've looked at the radiant site, downloaded the source. It's based on Rails but I've not done enough with Rails plugins to know what do do about this. Also, looking at the Radiant CMS site I see tabs along the top for everything except documentation, so I can't quickly browse to lookup the information I need to do this. Rails requires some kind of web server, so my assumption about apache seems to be correct: Server: Apache/2.0.54 (Debian GNU/Linux) mod_ssl/2.0.54e > > > headers I'm totally open to adding the functionality. I think you would > > need to do is add a couple of before and after filters to the > > SiteController. The Page object in Radiant does have a updated_at field. > > I'll have a look, but I'm completely unfamiliar with the code base. > > From ng at johnwlong.com Wed Sep 13 10:52:25 2006 From: ng at johnwlong.com (John W. Long) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 10:52:25 -0400 Subject: [Vit-discuss] Ruby-lang web server options. In-Reply-To: References: <4507F7AB.7020904@johnwlong.com> Message-ID: <45081B29.9030900@johnwlong.com> Hugh Sasse wrote: > On Wed, 13 Sep 2006, Hugh Sasse wrote: > >> On Wed, 13 Sep 2006, John W. Long wrote: >> >>> If you'd like to write a plugin for Radiant that turns adds these >> Oh, it's radiant, not apache. > > OK, I've looked at the radiant site, downloaded the source. It's > based on Rails but I've not done enough with Rails plugins to know > what do do about this. Also, looking at the Radiant CMS site I > see tabs along the top for everything except documentation, so I > can't quickly browse to lookup the information I need to do this. > Rails requires some kind of web server, so my assumption about apache > seems to be correct: You need to create a plugin in the vendor/plugins directory: vendor/plugins/my_plugin_name - lib # plugin files - init.rb # loaded when rails is loaded You can look at the source of the plugins we currently have installed to get an idea of how they are done: http://rubyidentity.org/ruby-lang.org/browser/ruby-lang.org/trunk/www/vendor/plugins/ To do the header stuff you need to add a Rails before_filter (see the docs) which modifies the headers on the response object. For the Gzip stuff we may have to do something Apache related for that. -- John Long http://wiseheartdesign.com http://radiantcms.org From hgs at dmu.ac.uk Wed Sep 13 11:21:02 2006 From: hgs at dmu.ac.uk (Hugh Sasse) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:21:02 +0100 (WEST) Subject: [Vit-discuss] Ruby-lang web server options. In-Reply-To: <45081B29.9030900@johnwlong.com> References: <4507F7AB.7020904@johnwlong.com> <45081B29.9030900@johnwlong.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Sep 2006, John W. Long wrote: > Hugh Sasse wrote: > > OK, I've looked at the radiant site, downloaded the source. It's > > based on Rails but I've not done enough with Rails plugins to know > > what do do about this. Also, looking at the Radiant CMS site I > > see tabs along the top for everything except documentation, so I > > can't quickly browse to lookup the information I need to do this. > > Rails requires some kind of web server, so my assumption about apache > > seems to be correct: > > You need to create a plugin in the vendor/plugins directory: > > vendor/plugins/my_plugin_name > - lib # plugin files > - init.rb # loaded when rails is loaded > > You can look at the source of the plugins we currently have installed to > get an idea of how they are done: > > http://rubyidentity.org/ruby-lang.org/browser/ruby-lang.org/trunk/www/vendor/plugins/ > > To do the header stuff you need to add a Rails before_filter (see the > docs) which modifies the headers on the response object. For the Gzip > stuff we may have to do something Apache related for that. There's too much for me to get wrong to make this worthwhile, given all the other stuff I have to do at the moment. Were I more fluent in Rails I'd consider tackling this, but I've hardly touched Rails since March, and given that I was following the book, and scaffolds are now pretty much deprecated, for example, I consider that I'd be more hindrance than help. The Apache filters page http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/filter.html says you get mod_deflate as standard. http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/mod_deflate.html This talks about turning this off for some browsers. It doesn't mention responding automatically to the Accept-Encoding header, so I don't understand why it should be necessary to turn this off for some browsers: browsers that don't want compression should not be asking for it, servers should not deliver compression unless it is asked for. So I've not entered this minefield with my server, because the setup at least works now. I'd like to do it better, but the above time constraints apply. > Hugh From jmg3000 at gmail.com Wed Sep 13 12:47:08 2006 From: jmg3000 at gmail.com (John Gabriele) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:47:08 -0400 Subject: [Vit-discuss] a number of small corrections/edits for the new site Message-ID: <65e0bb520609130947k652a6109t37f0eb64e565d633@mail.gmail.com> Hi, The new site looks great! I sent a few comments about it to webmaster _at_ ruby-lang last night, but James suggested that it might be useful to post them here. So, here's what I've got: ================================== On the "To Ruby From Java" page http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/documentation/ruby-from-other-languages/to-ruby-from-java/ it says: | | there's different GUI toolkits. Ruby users can try WxRuby, FXRuby, | or the bundled-in Ruby Tk for example. | You very probably want to add Ruby-GNOME2 http://ruby-gnome2.sourceforge.jp/ to that list, as it's definitely one of the big ones. ================================== On the "To Ruby from C and C++" page http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/documentation/ruby-from-other-languages/to-ruby-from-c-and-c-/ it says: | | Ruby is strongly typed. | but to keep the writing style consistent, you might want to change that to "objects are strongly typed (and variable names themselves have no type at all)." ================================== In the "To Ruby from Perl" page http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/documentation/ruby-from-other-languages/to-ruby-from-perl/ change "ruby" to "Ruby" in "(and you can put any ruby code you like". ================================== On the "To Ruby from Python" page, you very likely want to change: | | the usual style comments on the line(s) above things, instead of | docstrings below them, are used for generating docs. | to, "the usual-style comments on the line(s) above things (instead of docstrings below them) are used for generating docs." ================================== On the documentation page http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/documentation/, sub!(/Comming/, 'Coming'). ================================== Regarding the "About" page on the new site, it says: | | Ruby is a language of tremendous balance. | but that word doesn't seem to fit very well there, IMO. You might consider sub!(/tremendous/, 'delicate'). Hm... As long as I'm nit-picking, ;), in the very first paragraph on the page, you probably want to remove that superfluous comma in "And, yet". Actually, in obeyance of the Law of Conservation of Commas, you could always just *move* the comma instead and place it after the word "Ada" in the next paragraph down. :) Also, in the last bullet at the bottom of the page, you likely want to change "Linux" to "GNU/Linux", because, in addition to being developed primarily on machines running the Linux kernel, Ruby is of course built using GCC, the autotools, and GNU libc. This is especially relevant since the bullet item is regarding the actual development of Ruby. ================================== I just noticed: there's no mention of the Ruby license anywhere on the new site at all. You might add a link to the license page directly from the download page, right at the end of that first short paragraph. ================================== There's only one remaining part of the site that sticks out to me as looking unfinished. Look at he "Libraries" page (http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/libraries/). The command line I/O snippets probably should be syntax highlighted in some way, possibly similar to (but not too similar to) the code snippets. (I like a darkish (but not too darkish) background, with the stuff the user types showing up in bold.) Again, very nice site! Thanks! ---John From hgs at dmu.ac.uk Fri Sep 15 11:59:48 2006 From: hgs at dmu.ac.uk (Hugh Sasse) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:59:48 +0100 (WEST) Subject: [Vit-discuss] CSS mods: low vision, a first step (patch) Message-ID: In the following patch I have tried to address some of the issues I have had viewing the Ruby site. In particular * Add alternate stylesheet (avoids pollution of well-loved style) * Improve visibility of search box * Bump up a few font sizes * increase contrast on menu links, and on who-submitted-what info. Issues that remain unaddressed: * flipping the body colourscheme to light on dark. * fine-grained layout improvements * reduction of the number of images (which make colour selection more difficult.) * make columns wider to accommodate larger text However, it is a start, and I'm pretty sure it doesn't break anything. The patch is below. (There is probably a way to tell patch to derive a new stylesheet from an old one, but I don't have a clue what that is, so I've just done it by touch'ing the non-existant version of the old file and doing the diff against that.) HTH Hugh --- ./en/index.html.orig 2006-09-12 18:53:55.357928000 +0100 +++ ./en/index.html 2006-09-15 15:06:15.769223000 +0100 @@ -4,7 +4,8 @@ Ruby Programming Language - + + --- ./stylesheets/screen_lo_vis.css.orig 1980-01-01 00:00:00.000000000 +0000 +++ ./stylesheets/screen_lo_vis.css 2006-09-15 15:32:03.614018000 +0100 @@ -0,0 +1,6 @@ +/* + screen_lo_vis.css - styles for the screen for visually impaired people +*/ + + at import url(/stylesheets/high_lo_vis.css); + at import url(/stylesheets/shared_lo_vis.css); --- ./stylesheets/high_lo_vis.css.orig 1980-01-01 00:00:00.000000000 +0000 +++ ./stylesheets/high_lo_vis.css 2006-09-15 16:43:23.090433000 +0100 @@ -0,0 +1,510 @@ +/* + high.css - styles for modern browsers, but for people with low vision. +*/ + +body { + background-color: #213449; + color: white; + margin: 0; + padding: 0; + text-align: center; +} +.site-links { + background-image: url(/images/site-links-background.gif); + background-position: bottom; + background-repeat: repeat-x; +} +.site-links a, .site-links a:visited, .site-links strong { + color: white; + text-decoration: none; + display: block; + padding: 8px; + padding-left: 6px; + padding-right: 6px; + margin-left: 4px; + float: left; +} +.site-links a:hover { + color: white; + text-decoration: underline; +} +.site-links strong a, .site-links strong a:visited { + padding: 0; + margin: 0; + display: inline; +} +#page { + background-image: url(/images/shadow.jpg); + background-position: center; + background-repeat: repeat-y; +} +#logo { + background-image: url(/images/logo-background.jpg); + background-position: top left; + background-repeat: no-repeat; + padding-top: 14px; +} +#logo img { + position: relative; + z-index: 1; +} +#header, #main-wrapper { + background: white; + text-align: left; + margin-left: auto; + margin-right: auto; + width: 766px; +} +#header { + background-image: url(/images/header-background.jpg); + background-position: right; + background-repeat: repeat-y; +} +#header .site-links { + float: left; + width: 100%; +} +#main { + color: black; + background-color: white; + background-image: url(/images/columns.jpg); + background-position: right; + background-repeat: repeat-y; + float: left; +} +#main .site-links { + width: 766px; + float: left; + clear: both; + margin-left: auto; + margin-right: auto; + text-align: center; +} +#content-wrapper { + float: left; + width: 766px; + margin-right: -400px; +} +#head-wrapper-1 { + background-color: #346090; + background-image: url(/images/blue-columns.jpg); + background-repeat: repeat-y; + background-position: center; + margin-left: 0px; + margin-bottom: 24px; + color: white; + float: left; + width: 100%; +} +#head-wrapper-2 { + float: left; + width: 100%; +} +#head { + float: left; + padding-top: 24px; + padding-bottom: 24px; + width: 100%; +} +#head h1 { + font-size: 240%; + padding-left: 32px; + margin: 0; + margin-top: 18px; + margin-right: 269px; +} +#head a { color: white; } +#intro, #code { + display: inline; + float: left; +} +#intro { + color: #d3dce6; + font-size: 95%; + padding-left: 32px; + padding-right: 23px; + padding-bottom: 10px; + width: 202px; +} +#intro h1 { + background-image: url(/images/dotted-underline.gif); + background-position: bottom; + background-repeat: repeat-x; + color: white; + font-size: 240%; + margin: 0; + margin-bottom: .5em; + padding: 0; + padding-top: 4px; + padding-bottom: 4px; +} +#intro p { + line-height: 150%; + margin-top: 0; + margin-bottom: 1em; +} +#code { + color: white; + display: block; + font-size: 95%; + line-height: 110%; + padding-top: 24px; + width: 244px; +} +#code div { + display: block; + font-family: "Lucida Console", Monaco, monospace; + padding-left: 24px; + padding-right: 24px; +} +#code .keyword { + color: #f9bb00; +} +#code .comment { + color: #428bdd; +} +#code .string { + color: #00cc00; +} +#code .blank-line { + line-height: 70%; +} +#head .multi-page { + float: right; + font-weight: normal; + margin-top: 18px; + margin-right: 269px; + padding-top: 1em; +} +#head .multi-page .separator { + display: none; +} +#head .multi-page a, +#head .multi-page strong { + padding: 3px; + padding-left: 6px; + padding-right: 6px; +} +#head .multi-page strong { + border: 2px solid #b0c5dd; +} +#content { + margin-right: 239px; + padding: 32px; + padding-top: 1px; + line-height: 160%; +} +#content h3 { + background-image: url(/images/dotted-underline.gif); + background-position: bottom; + background-repeat: repeat-x; + padding-bottom: 8px; +} +#content h3 a { + color: #c61a1a; + text-decoration: none; +} +#content h3 a:hover, #content h3 a:visited:hover { + color: #e85353; +} +#content #news ul { + float: left; + list-style: none; + margin: 0; + margin-right: 10px; + line-height: 120%; + padding: 0; + width: 220px; +} +#content #news ul li { + background-image: url(/images/bullet.gif); + background-position: left top; + background-repeat: no-repeat; + display: block; + list-style: none; + margin: 0; + margin-top: .25em; + margin-bottom: .75em; + padding: 0; + padding-left: 12px; +} +#content #news ul a { + color: #1111ee; + display: block; + /* font-family: Georgia, Palatino, "Times New Roman", Times, serif; */ + font-family: Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; + font-size: 125%; + line-height: 110%; + text-decoration: none; +} +#content #news ul a:hover, +#content #news ul a:visited:hover { + text-decoration: underline; +} +#content #news .more { + clear: both; + margin-top: 1em; +} +#content pre.code { + background-color: #213449; + background-image: url(/images/code-box-top-left.gif); + background-position: top left; + background-repeat: no-repeat; + color: white; + display: block; + overflow: auto; + width: 100%; +} +#content pre.code code { + background-image: url(/images/code-box-bottom-right.gif); + background-position: bottom right; + background-repeat: no-repeat; + display: block; + font-family: "Lucida Console", Monaco, monospace; + font-size: 115%; + line-height: 135%; + padding: 15px; +} +#content pre.code .comment { + color: #428bdd; +} +#content pre.code .keyword { + color: #f9bb00; +} +#content pre.code .method { + color: #fff; +} +#content pre.code .class { + color: #fff; +} +#content pre.code .module { + color: #050; +} +#content pre.code .punct { + color: #8aa6c1; +} +#content pre.code .symbol { + color: #b53b3c; +} +#content pre.code .string { + color: #00cc00; +} +#content pre.code .char { + color: #f07; +} +#content pre.code .ident { + color: #fff; +} +#content pre.code .constant { + color: #8aa6c1; +} +#content pre.code .regex { + color: #ca4344; +} +#content pre.code .number { + color: #eddd3d; +} +#content pre.code .global { + color: #fff; +} +#content pre.code .expr { + color: #fff; +} +#content pre.code .escape { + color: #eddd3d; +} +#content pre.code .attribute { + color: #8aa6c1; +} +#content pre.code.xml-code .string { + color: #fff; +} +#content dl dt { + /* font-family: Georgia, Palatino, "Times New Roman", Times, serif; */ + font-family: Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; + font-weight: bold; + font-size: 120%; + margin-top: 1em; +} +#content dl dd { + margin-left: 1.5em; +} +#content .error { + color: red; +} +#content .fieldset { + border-top: 3px solid #39618b; + background: #e2ebf6; + background: #e2eff6; + width: 100%; +} +#subscriptions-form .fieldset td { + background-image: url(/images/dark-dotted-underline.gif); + background-position: bottom; + background-repeat: repeat-x; + padding: 5px; + padding-left: 15px; +} +#content .fieldset td.label { + text-align: right; +} +#content .buttons { + margin-top: 1.5em; +} +#content .buttons input[type=submit] { + font-size: 130%; +} +#sidebar-wrapper { + float: right; + width: 237px; +} +#sidebar { + font-size: 90%; + margin-top: 26px; + padding-left: 20px; + padding-right: 20px; + padding-bottom: 20px; +} +#sidebar h3 { + /* background-image: url(/images/dotted-underline.gif); */ + background-position: bottom; + background-repeat: repeat-x; + color: #333333; + font-size: 130%; + margin-top: 2.5em; + margin-bottom: .5em; + padding-bottom: 4px; +} +#sidebar ul, #sidebar ul li { + margin-left: .75em; + margin-top: 0; + padding-left: 0; +} +#sidebar ul li { + margin-bottom: .25em; +} +#sidebar .navigation { + margin-bottom: 22px; +} +#sidebar .navigation h3, +#sidebar .navigation ul li, +#sidebar .navigation .more { + margin: 0; + padding: 4px; + padding-left: 8px; + padding-right: 8px; +} +#sidebar .navigation h3 { + font-family: Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; + font-size: 100%; + font-weight: normal; + background: #1a4676; + color: white; + margin: 0; + padding-bottom: 5px; +} +#sidebar .navigation h3 strong { + font-family: Georgia, Palatino, "Times New Roman", Times, serif; + font-size: 130%; +} +#sidebar .navigation ul, +#sidebar .navigation ul li { + list-style: none; + margin: 0; +} +#sidebar .navigation ul li { + background-color: #dbeff6; + /* background-image: url(/images/dark-dotted-underline.gif); */ + background-position: bottom; + background-repeat: repeat-x; + padding-bottom: 8px; +} +#sidebar .navigation .more { + padding-bottom: 8px; +} +#sidebar .navigation .menu a, +#sidebar .navigation .more a { + color: #1111ee; + text-decoration: none; +} +#sidebar .navigation a { + color: #1111ee; + text-decoration: none; +} +#sidebar .navigation .menu a:hover, +#sidebar .navigation .menu a:visited:hover, +#sidebar .navigation .more a:hover, +#sidebar .navigation .more a:visited:hover { + text-decoration: underline; +} +#search-box { + clear: both; + margin-left: auto; + margin-right: auto; + text-align: left; + width: 738px; +} +#search-form { + position: absolute; + top: 57px; + width: 738px; +} +#search-box .fieldset { + float: right; +} +#search-form .field { + width: 214px; + height: 20px; +} +#search-form .button { + width: 148px; + height: 48px; +} +#foot { clear: both; } +#footer p { + color: #8D959F; + font-size: 85%; + margin: auto; + margin-top: 0; + margin-bottom: .75em; + padding: 14px; + padding-top: 0; + padding-bottom: 0; + text-align: left; + width: 738px; +} +#footer a, #footer a:visited { + color: #B6BCC2; +} +#footer a:hover, #footer a:visited:hover { + color: white; +} +#footer .fine-print { + background-color: #213449; + background-image: url(/images/footer-background.jpg); + background-position: top; + background-repeat: no-repeat; + clear: both; + line-height: 140%; + padding-top: 10px; +} + +/* layouts */ + +#home-page-layout #head-wrapper-1 { + background-image: url(/images/blue-columns-home-page.jpg); + margin-bottom: -5px; +} +#home-page-layout #head-wrapper-1:first-child { + margin-bottom: 24px; +} +#home-page-layout #head-wrapper-2 { + background-image: url(/images/blue-columns-top-home-page.jpg); + background-repeat: no-repeat; + background-position: top; +} +#home-page-layout #head { + background-image: url(/images/blue-columns-bottom-home-page.jpg); + background-repeat: no-repeat; + background-position: bottom; +} --- ./stylesheets/shared_lo_vis.css.orig 1980-01-01 00:00:00.000000000 +0000 +++ ./stylesheets/shared_lo_vis.css 2006-09-15 16:02:02.753375000 +0100 @@ -0,0 +1,73 @@ +/* + shared.css - styles shared between print and high +*/ +body { + font-size: 90%; +} +.hidden-modern { + position: absolute; + left: -20000px; + top: -20000px; +} +.site-links .separator { display: none; } +.site-links { + background-color: #7d0000; +} +#content h2 { + font-size: 180%; + margin-top: 1.5em; +} +#content h3 { + color: #b60a0a; + font-weight: normal; + font-size: 180%; + line-height: 120%; + /*margin-top: 1.5em;*/ + margin-bottom: .75em; +} +#content .post { + margin-bottom: 2em; +} +#content h4 { + font-weight: normal; + font-size: 170%; + line-height: 120%; + margin-top: 2em; + margin-bottom: 1em; +} +#content h5 { + font-weight: bold; + font-size: 120%; + line-height: 120%; + margin-top: 2em; + margin-bottom: 1em; +} +#content p { + margin-top: 0; +} +#content .post-info { + color: #706f59; + font-size: 100%; +} +#search-form .field { + border: 4px solid #a3a39f; +} +#search-form .button { + border: 4px solid #a3a39f; + background-color: #f6f6e7; + color: #9b9b95; + font-family: Georgia, Palatino, "Times New Roman", Times, serif; + font-size: 24px; + font-weight: bold; +} +#footer { + clear: both; +} + + +/* layouts */ + +#home-page-layout h3 { + margin-top: 1.5em; + margin-bottom: .5em; +} From curt.hibbs at gmail.com Fri Sep 15 13:23:56 2006 From: curt.hibbs at gmail.com (Curt Hibbs) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:23:56 -0500 Subject: [Vit-discuss] CSS mods: low vision, a first step (patch) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <31d15f490609151023m66e15220xff4c32167c8dfb75@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Hugh... I'm cross posting this to the vit-core mailing list. Curt On 9/15/06, Hugh Sasse wrote: > > In the following patch I have tried to address some of the issues > I have had viewing the Ruby site. In particular > * Add alternate stylesheet (avoids pollution of well-loved style) > * Improve visibility of search box > * Bump up a few font sizes > * increase contrast on menu links, and on who-submitted-what info. > > Issues that remain unaddressed: > > * flipping the body colourscheme to light on dark. > * fine-grained layout improvements > * reduction of the number of images (which make colour selection more > difficult.) > * make columns wider to accommodate larger text > > However, it is a start, and I'm pretty sure it doesn't break anything. > The patch is below. (There is probably a way to tell patch to derive > a new stylesheet from an old one, but I don't have a clue what that is, > so I've just done it by touch'ing the non-existant version of the old > file and doing the diff against that.) > > HTH > Hugh > > --- ./en/index.html.orig 2006-09-12 18:53:55.357928000 +0100 > +++ ./en/index.html 2006-09-15 15:06:15.769223000 +0100 > @@ -4,7 +4,8 @@ > > Ruby Programming Language > > - media="screen" /> > + href="/stylesheets/screen.css" media="screen" /> > + href="/stylesheets/screen_lo_vis.css" media="screen" /> > media="print" /> > > type="application/rss+xml" /> > --- ./stylesheets/screen_lo_vis.css.orig 1980-01-01 00:00: > 00.000000000 +0000 > +++ ./stylesheets/screen_lo_vis.css 2006-09-15 15:32:03.614018000+0100 > @@ -0,0 +1,6 @@ > +/* > + screen_lo_vis.css - styles for the screen for visually impaired > people > +*/ > + > + at import url(/stylesheets/high_lo_vis.css); > + at import url(/stylesheets/shared_lo_vis.css); > --- ./stylesheets/high_lo_vis.css.orig 1980-01-01 00:00:00.000000000+0000 > +++ ./stylesheets/high_lo_vis.css 2006-09-15 16:43:23.090433000+0100 > @@ -0,0 +1,510 @@ > +/* > + high.css - styles for modern browsers, but for people with low vision. > +*/ > + > +body { > + background-color: #213449; > + color: white; > + margin: 0; > + padding: 0; > + text-align: center; > +} > +.site-links { > + background-image: url(/images/site-links-background.gif); > + background-position: bottom; > + background-repeat: repeat-x; > +} > +.site-links a, .site-links a:visited, .site-links strong { > + color: white; > + text-decoration: none; > + display: block; > + padding: 8px; > + padding-left: 6px; > + padding-right: 6px; > + margin-left: 4px; > + float: left; > +} > +.site-links a:hover { > + color: white; > + text-decoration: underline; > +} > +.site-links strong a, .site-links strong a:visited { > + padding: 0; > + margin: 0; > + display: inline; > +} > +#page { > + background-image: url(/images/shadow.jpg); > + background-position: center; > + background-repeat: repeat-y; > +} > +#logo { > + background-image: url(/images/logo-background.jpg); > + background-position: top left; > + background-repeat: no-repeat; > + padding-top: 14px; > +} > +#logo img { > + position: relative; > + z-index: 1; > +} > +#header, #main-wrapper { > + background: white; > + text-align: left; > + margin-left: auto; > + margin-right: auto; > + width: 766px; > +} > +#header { > + background-image: url(/images/header-background.jpg); > + background-position: right; > + background-repeat: repeat-y; > +} > +#header .site-links { > + float: left; > + width: 100%; > +} > +#main { > + color: black; > + background-color: white; > + background-image: url(/images/columns.jpg); > + background-position: right; > + background-repeat: repeat-y; > + float: left; > +} > +#main .site-links { > + width: 766px; > + float: left; > + clear: both; > + margin-left: auto; > + margin-right: auto; > + text-align: center; > +} > +#content-wrapper { > + float: left; > + width: 766px; > + margin-right: -400px; > +} > +#head-wrapper-1 { > + background-color: #346090; > + background-image: url(/images/blue-columns.jpg); > + background-repeat: repeat-y; > + background-position: center; > + margin-left: 0px; > + margin-bottom: 24px; > + color: white; > + float: left; > + width: 100%; > +} > +#head-wrapper-2 { > + float: left; > + width: 100%; > +} > +#head { > + float: left; > + padding-top: 24px; > + padding-bottom: 24px; > + width: 100%; > +} > +#head h1 { > + font-size: 240%; > + padding-left: 32px; > + margin: 0; > + margin-top: 18px; > + margin-right: 269px; > +} > +#head a { color: white; } > +#intro, #code { > + display: inline; > + float: left; > +} > +#intro { > + color: #d3dce6; > + font-size: 95%; > + padding-left: 32px; > + padding-right: 23px; > + padding-bottom: 10px; > + width: 202px; > +} > +#intro h1 { > + background-image: url(/images/dotted-underline.gif); > + background-position: bottom; > + background-repeat: repeat-x; > + color: white; > + font-size: 240%; > + margin: 0; > + margin-bottom: .5em; > + padding: 0; > + padding-top: 4px; > + padding-bottom: 4px; > +} > +#intro p { > + line-height: 150%; > + margin-top: 0; > + margin-bottom: 1em; > +} > +#code { > + color: white; > + display: block; > + font-size: 95%; > + line-height: 110%; > + padding-top: 24px; > + width: 244px; > +} > +#code div { > + display: block; > + font-family: "Lucida Console", Monaco, monospace; > + padding-left: 24px; > + padding-right: 24px; > +} > +#code .keyword { > + color: #f9bb00; > +} > +#code .comment { > + color: #428bdd; > +} > +#code .string { > + color: #00cc00; > +} > +#code .blank-line { > + line-height: 70%; > +} > +#head .multi-page { > + float: right; > + font-weight: normal; > + margin-top: 18px; > + margin-right: 269px; > + padding-top: 1em; > +} > +#head .multi-page .separator { > + display: none; > +} > +#head .multi-page a, > +#head .multi-page strong { > + padding: 3px; > + padding-left: 6px; > + padding-right: 6px; > +} > +#head .multi-page strong { > + border: 2px solid #b0c5dd; > +} > +#content { > + margin-right: 239px; > + padding: 32px; > + padding-top: 1px; > + line-height: 160%; > +} > +#content h3 { > + background-image: url(/images/dotted-underline.gif); > + background-position: bottom; > + background-repeat: repeat-x; > + padding-bottom: 8px; > +} > +#content h3 a { > + color: #c61a1a; > + text-decoration: none; > +} > +#content h3 a:hover, #content h3 a:visited:hover { > + color: #e85353; > +} > +#content #news ul { > + float: left; > + list-style: none; > + margin: 0; > + margin-right: 10px; > + line-height: 120%; > + padding: 0; > + width: 220px; > +} > +#content #news ul li { > + background-image: url(/images/bullet.gif); > + background-position: left top; > + background-repeat: no-repeat; > + display: block; > + list-style: none; > + margin: 0; > + margin-top: .25em; > + margin-bottom: .75em; > + padding: 0; > + padding-left: 12px; > +} > +#content #news ul a { > + color: #1111ee; > + display: block; > + /* font-family: Georgia, Palatino, "Times New Roman", Times, serif; */ > + font-family: Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; > + font-size: 125%; > + line-height: 110%; > + text-decoration: none; > +} > +#content #news ul a:hover, > +#content #news ul a:visited:hover { > + text-decoration: underline; > +} > +#content #news .more { > + clear: both; > + margin-top: 1em; > +} > +#content pre.code { > + background-color: #213449; > + background-image: url(/images/code-box-top-left.gif); > + background-position: top left; > + background-repeat: no-repeat; > + color: white; > + display: block; > + overflow: auto; > + width: 100%; > +} > +#content pre.code code { > + background-image: url(/images/code-box-bottom-right.gif); > + background-position: bottom right; > + background-repeat: no-repeat; > + display: block; > + font-family: "Lucida Console", Monaco, monospace; > + font-size: 115%; > + line-height: 135%; > + padding: 15px; > +} > +#content pre.code .comment { > + color: #428bdd; > +} > +#content pre.code .keyword { > + color: #f9bb00; > +} > +#content pre.code .method { > + color: #fff; > +} > +#content pre.code .class { > + color: #fff; > +} > +#content pre.code .module { > + color: #050; > +} > +#content pre.code .punct { > + color: #8aa6c1; > +} > +#content pre.code .symbol { > + color: #b53b3c; > +} > +#content pre.code .string { > + color: #00cc00; > +} > +#content pre.code .char { > + color: #f07; > +} > +#content pre.code .ident { > + color: #fff; > +} > +#content pre.code .constant { > + color: #8aa6c1; > +} > +#content pre.code .regex { > + color: #ca4344; > +} > +#content pre.code .number { > + color: #eddd3d; > +} > +#content pre.code .global { > + color: #fff; > +} > +#content pre.code .expr { > + color: #fff; > +} > +#content pre.code .escape { > + color: #eddd3d; > +} > +#content pre.code .attribute { > + color: #8aa6c1; > +} > +#content pre.code.xml-code .string { > + color: #fff; > +} > +#content dl dt { > + /* font-family: Georgia, Palatino, "Times New Roman", Times, serif; */ > + font-family: Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; > + font-weight: bold; > + font-size: 120%; > + margin-top: 1em; > +} > +#content dl dd { > + margin-left: 1.5em; > +} > +#content .error { > + color: red; > +} > +#content .fieldset { > + border-top: 3px solid #39618b; > + background: #e2ebf6; > + background: #e2eff6; > + width: 100%; > +} > +#subscriptions-form .fieldset td { > + background-image: url(/images/dark-dotted-underline.gif); > + background-position: bottom; > + background-repeat: repeat-x; > + padding: 5px; > + padding-left: 15px; > +} > +#content .fieldset td.label { > + text-align: right; > +} > +#content .buttons { > + margin-top: 1.5em; > +} > +#content .buttons input[type=submit] { > + font-size: 130%; > +} > +#sidebar-wrapper { > + float: right; > + width: 237px; > +} > +#sidebar { > + font-size: 90%; > + margin-top: 26px; > + padding-left: 20px; > + padding-right: 20px; > + padding-bottom: 20px; > +} > +#sidebar h3 { > + /* background-image: url(/images/dotted-underline.gif); */ > + background-position: bottom; > + background-repeat: repeat-x; > + color: #333333; > + font-size: 130%; > + margin-top: 2.5em; > + margin-bottom: .5em; > + padding-bottom: 4px; > +} > +#sidebar ul, #sidebar ul li { > + margin-left: .75em; > + margin-top: 0; > + padding-left: 0; > +} > +#sidebar ul li { > + margin-bottom: .25em; > +} > +#sidebar .navigation { > + margin-bottom: 22px; > +} > +#sidebar .navigation h3, > +#sidebar .navigation ul li, > +#sidebar .navigation .more { > + margin: 0; > + padding: 4px; > + padding-left: 8px; > + padding-right: 8px; > +} > +#sidebar .navigation h3 { > + font-family: Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; > + font-size: 100%; > + font-weight: normal; > + background: #1a4676; > + color: white; > + margin: 0; > + padding-bottom: 5px; > +} > +#sidebar .navigation h3 strong { > + font-family: Georgia, Palatino, "Times New Roman", Times, serif; > + font-size: 130%; > +} > +#sidebar .navigation ul, > +#sidebar .navigation ul li { > + list-style: none; > + margin: 0; > +} > +#sidebar .navigation ul li { > + background-color: #dbeff6; > + /* background-image: url(/images/dark-dotted-underline.gif); */ > + background-position: bottom; > + background-repeat: repeat-x; > + padding-bottom: 8px; > +} > +#sidebar .navigation .more { > + padding-bottom: 8px; > +} > +#sidebar .navigation .menu a, > +#sidebar .navigation .more a { > + color: #1111ee; > + text-decoration: none; > +} > +#sidebar .navigation a { > + color: #1111ee; > + text-decoration: none; > +} > +#sidebar .navigation .menu a:hover, > +#sidebar .navigation .menu a:visited:hover, > +#sidebar .navigation .more a:hover, > +#sidebar .navigation .more a:visited:hover { > + text-decoration: underline; > +} > +#search-box { > + clear: both; > + margin-left: auto; > + margin-right: auto; > + text-align: left; > + width: 738px; > +} > +#search-form { > + position: absolute; > + top: 57px; > + width: 738px; > +} > +#search-box .fieldset { > + float: right; > +} > +#search-form .field { > + width: 214px; > + height: 20px; > +} > +#search-form .button { > + width: 148px; > + height: 48px; > +} > +#foot { clear: both; } > +#footer p { > + color: #8D959F; > + font-size: 85%; > + margin: auto; > + margin-top: 0; > + margin-bottom: .75em; > + padding: 14px; > + padding-top: 0; > + padding-bottom: 0; > + text-align: left; > + width: 738px; > +} > +#footer a, #footer a:visited { > + color: #B6BCC2; > +} > +#footer a:hover, #footer a:visited:hover { > + color: white; > +} > +#footer .fine-print { > + background-color: #213449; > + background-image: url(/images/footer-background.jpg); > + background-position: top; > + background-repeat: no-repeat; > + clear: both; > + line-height: 140%; > + padding-top: 10px; > +} > + > +/* layouts */ > + > +#home-page-layout #head-wrapper-1 { > + background-image: url(/images/blue-columns-home-page.jpg); > + margin-bottom: -5px; > +} > +#home-page-layout #head-wrapper-1:first-child { > + margin-bottom: 24px; > +} > +#home-page-layout #head-wrapper-2 { > + background-image: url(/images/blue-columns-top-home-page.jpg); > + background-repeat: no-repeat; > + background-position: top; > +} > +#home-page-layout #head { > + background-image: url(/images/blue-columns-bottom-home-page.jpg); > + background-repeat: no-repeat; > + background-position: bottom; > +} > --- ./stylesheets/shared_lo_vis.css.orig 1980-01-01 00:00: > 00.000000000 +0000 > +++ ./stylesheets/shared_lo_vis.css 2006-09-15 16:02:02.753375000+0100 > @@ -0,0 +1,73 @@ > +/* > + shared.css - styles shared between print and high > +*/ > +body { > + font-size: 90%; > +} > +.hidden-modern { > + position: absolute; > + left: -20000px; > + top: -20000px; > +} > +.site-links .separator { display: none; } > +.site-links { > + background-color: #7d0000; > +} > +#content h2 { > + font-size: 180%; > + margin-top: 1.5em; > +} > +#content h3 { > + color: #b60a0a; > + font-weight: normal; > + font-size: 180%; > + line-height: 120%; > + /*margin-top: 1.5em;*/ > + margin-bottom: .75em; > +} > +#content .post { > + margin-bottom: 2em; > +} > +#content h4 { > + font-weight: normal; > + font-size: 170%; > + line-height: 120%; > + margin-top: 2em; > + margin-bottom: 1em; > +} > +#content h5 { > + font-weight: bold; > + font-size: 120%; > + line-height: 120%; > + margin-top: 2em; > + margin-bottom: 1em; > +} > +#content p { > + margin-top: 0; > +} > +#content .post-info { > + color: #706f59; > + font-size: 100%; > +} > +#search-form .field { > + border: 4px solid #a3a39f; > +} > +#search-form .button { > + border: 4px solid #a3a39f; > + background-color: #f6f6e7; > + color: #9b9b95; > + font-family: Georgia, Palatino, "Times New Roman", Times, serif; > + font-size: 24px; > + font-weight: bold; > +} > +#footer { > + clear: both; > +} > + > + > +/* layouts */ > + > +#home-page-layout h3 { > + margin-top: 1.5em; > + margin-bottom: .5em; > +} > _______________________________________________ > vit-discuss mailing list > vit-discuss at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/vit-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Long) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:44:43 -0400 Subject: [Vit-discuss] CSS mods: low vision, a first step (patch) In-Reply-To: References: <31d15f490609151023m66e15220xff4c32167c8dfb75@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <450C9A7B.2010204@johnwlong.com> Hugh Sasse wrote: > On Fri, 15 Sep 2006, Curt Hibbs wrote: > >> Thanks Hugh... I'm cross posting this to the vit-core mailing list. > > Is that archived somewhere? I could really do without joining another > list just now :-) but I'd like to see how it goes down. It is archived, but only members can access it. We will let you know what is decided. -- John Long http://wiseheartdesign.com From jd at typhon.org Sun Sep 17 17:24:46 2006 From: jd at typhon.org (Jean-Denis Vauguet) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 23:24:46 +0200 Subject: [Vit-discuss] ruby-lang translation: French? Message-ID: <450DBD1E.10905@typhon.org> hi VIT! First, congratulations for the work you've done. It's more a complete spring-cleaning than simply a CSS refresh. You might know the French community is pretty active around Ruby, and our association, Ruby France (http://www.rubyfr.org and http://www.rubyfr.net), tries to both translate and produce content (tutorials, poignant guide, ri, rhg, ...). You also must know French people, well, suck at speaking and reading English (not to mention ??? ;). That's why I hereby make the proposal of ruby-lang being translated in French and maintained up to date by the core of Ruby France volunteers :) By "proposal", I mean... "what do you think?" and "how could I start this?" Sincerely yours, jd -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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That's why I hereby make the proposal of ruby-lang being translated in French and maintained up to date by the core of Ruby France volunteers :) By "proposal", I mean... "what do you think?" and "how could I start this?" Sincerely yours, jd -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url : http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/vit-discuss/attachments/20060917/b7f4a655/attachment.bin From curt.hibbs at gmail.com Sun Sep 17 21:21:59 2006 From: curt.hibbs at gmail.com (Curt Hibbs) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 20:21:59 -0500 Subject: [Vit-discuss] ruby-lang translation: French? In-Reply-To: <450DBD1E.10905@typhon.org> References: <450DBD1E.10905@typhon.org> Message-ID: <31d15f490609171821t6b878bfdi8876cc2fff1379d1@mail.gmail.com> On 9/17/06, Jean-Denis Vauguet wrote: > > hi VIT! > > First, congratulations for the work you've done. It's more a complete > spring-cleaning than simply a CSS refresh. > > > You might know the French community is pretty active around Ruby, and > our association, Ruby France (http://www.rubyfr.org and > http://www.rubyfr.net), tries to both translate and produce content > (tutorials, poignant guide, ri, rhg, ...). > > You also must know French people, well, suck at speaking and reading > English (not to mention ??? ;). > > That's why I hereby make the proposal of ruby-lang being translated in > French and maintained up to date by the core of Ruby France volunteers > :) By "proposal", I mean... "what do you think?" and "how could I start > this?" > We would definitely welcome this. Why don't you organize your group of French volunteers, pick one person to be the lead and then send us the list. Then we'll add your group to the VIT-core mailing list, get the site's CMS setup for a French version, and then authorize the members of your group to post content. Curt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/vit-discuss/attachments/20060917/86a87048/attachment.html From jd at typhon.org Mon Sep 18 09:15:26 2006 From: jd at typhon.org (Jean-Denis Vauguet) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 15:15:26 +0200 Subject: [Vit-discuss] ruby-lang translation: French? In-Reply-To: <31d15f490609171821t6b878bfdi8876cc2fff1379d1@mail.gmail.com> References: <450DBD1E.10905@typhon.org> <31d15f490609171821t6b878bfdi8876cc2fff1379d1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <450E9BEE.8000709@typhon.org> Curt Hibbs wrote: > On 9/17/06, Jean-Denis Vauguet wrote: >> That's why I hereby make the proposal of ruby-lang being translated in >> French and maintained up to date by the core of Ruby France volunteers >> :) By "proposal", I mean... "what do you think?" and "how could I start >> this?" > We would definitely welcome this. Why don't you organize your group of > French volunteers, pick one person to be the lead and then send us the > list. > Then we'll add your group to the VIT-core mailing list, get the site's CMS > setup for a French version, and then authorize the members of your group to > post content. Great! Thank you, Curt. Well, I issued an appeal for volunteer on our mailing list, but I already can itemize three persons: - Jean-Denis Vauguet (me, aka jd), lead, jd at typhon.org - Fre'de'ric Logier (aka fredix, chair of Ruby France), fredix at gmail.com - Laurent Sansonetti (aka lrz), laurent.sansonetti at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We can do the Traditional Chinese translation. May I join this party? sjh at ruby-lang.tw ( http://www.ruby-lang.tw / http://ruby.oss.tw) From curt.hibbs at gmail.com Wed Sep 20 23:36:11 2006 From: curt.hibbs at gmail.com (Curt Hibbs) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 22:36:11 -0500 Subject: [Vit-discuss] ruby-lang translation: French,and Chinese? In-Reply-To: <3dccec7f0609202020s2a845909oec00d8c61b44e8d7@mail.gmail.com> References: <3dccec7f0609202020s2a845909oec00d8c61b44e8d7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <31d15f490609202036k3079ffa2u72887eed10194a1e@mail.gmail.com> On 9/20/06, ????? wrote: > > On 9/18/06, Curt Hibbs wrote: > > > > We would definitely welcome this. Why don't you organize your group of > > French volunteers, pick one person to be the lead and then send us the > list. > > > > Then we'll add your group to the VIT-core mailing list, get the site's > CMS > > setup for a French version, and then authorize the members of your group > to > > post content. > > > > Curt > > > > _______________________________________________ > > hi curt: > > I am Taiwan ruby user. We have a ruby user group in Taiwan. > We can do the Traditional Chinese translation. > May I join this party? > sjh at ruby-lang.tw ( http://www.ruby-lang.tw / http://ruby.oss.tw) > That would be great! So, I would say the same thing to you. Oraganize your group of volunteers and decide who will lead the translation effort. Then send us the list and we'll add you to the vit-core mailing list and get you set up on the site's CMS. Curt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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To make this viable and sustainable effort you'd need at least three people who are willing to commit to working some amount of time each week. Curt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/vit-discuss/attachments/20060921/f4713271/attachment.html From aslak.hellesoy at gmail.com Thu Sep 21 11:14:46 2006 From: aslak.hellesoy at gmail.com (aslak hellesoy) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 17:14:46 +0200 Subject: [Vit-discuss] Norwegian translation Message-ID: <8d961d900609210814h80b1ag2c31b1cd9f594f26@mail.gmail.com> Allright I want ruby-lang.org to have a Norwegian translation. Norwegian happens to be my mother tongue so I'd be happy to write it. How should I proceed. Is there source code somewhere? Cheers, Aslak From ogmaciel at ubuntu.com Thu Sep 21 12:00:28 2006 From: ogmaciel at ubuntu.com (Og Maciel) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:00:28 -0400 Subject: [Vit-discuss] Brazilian Portuguese Translations Message-ID: <4512B71C.4000407@ubuntu.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello, I am very interested in starting a Brazilian documentation effort and would like to know how to go about it. By the way, my name is Og Maciel and am the current leader for the brazilian translation team for Ubuntu. Cheers, - -- Og B. Maciel ogmaciel at ubuntu.com og.maciel at gmail.com GPG Keys: D5CFC202 http://www.ogmaciel.com (en_US) http://blog.ogmaciel.com (pt_BR) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFErccUDEm1NXPwgIRAjucAKDGCN0FwxGzi/TlM0D0JXjpfbSsQACcD0m3 lx05/pVladgNIGi0GKcPajI= =8Sh+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From hosiawak at gmail.com Thu Sep 21 15:44:12 2006 From: hosiawak at gmail.com (Karol Hosiawa) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 19:44:12 +0000 Subject: [Vit-discuss] Polish translation Message-ID: <577ed7ae0609211244o71066596q4df91f14785e2b2f@mail.gmail.com> Hello All, Polish Ruby group would like to contribute too. Since the announcement, 4 people have commited to maintaining a Polish version of the site. What should we do next ? Thanks Karol Hosiawa -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <31d15f490609202036k3079ffa2u72887eed10194a1e@mail.gmail.com> References: <3dccec7f0609202020s2a845909oec00d8c61b44e8d7@mail.gmail.com> <31d15f490609202036k3079ffa2u72887eed10194a1e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3dccec7f0609211835v4afa9514q57157879353e8bca@mail.gmail.com> On 9/21/06, Curt Hibbs wrote: > > That would be great! > > So, I would say the same thing to you. Oraganize your group of volunteers > and decide who will lead the translation effort. Then send us the list and > we'll add you to the vit-core mailing list and get you set up on the site's > CMS. > > Curt > Tw-translation member list: sjh at ruby-lang.tw alice at ruby-lang.tw webmaster at ruby-lang.tw thanks ------ SJH -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Curt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/vit-discuss/attachments/20060921/a847d69b/attachment.html From curt.hibbs at gmail.com Thu Sep 21 23:52:31 2006 From: curt.hibbs at gmail.com (Curt Hibbs) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:52:31 -0500 Subject: [Vit-discuss] Norwegian translation In-Reply-To: <8d961d900609210814h80b1ag2c31b1cd9f594f26@mail.gmail.com> References: <8d961d900609210814h80b1ag2c31b1cd9f594f26@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <31d15f490609212052p6b48d3fbl484de831cb6bb550@mail.gmail.com> On 9/21/06, aslak hellesoy wrote: > > Allright > > I want ruby-lang.org to have a Norwegian translation. > Norwegian happens to be my mother tongue so I'd be happy to write it. > > How should I proceed. Is there source code somewhere? > > Cheers, > Aslak > Providing a Norwegian translation of the Ruby web site would have two parts: 1) the initial translation of the current content, and 2) the ongoing maintenance of the Norwegian version as new content and news items are added. I think that this would be much more sustainable over the long term if you could put together a team of at least three people who would commit to translating and maintaining the site. We would need the email addresses of your team (and their desired login names). Then I would add you and your team to the vit-core mailing list and we would create your logins on the site's CMS. BTW, the ruby-lang.org site is powered by the Radient CMS (its a Rails app), so you could also install Radient and play around with it if you wanted: http://radiantcms.org/ Curt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If you are interessted in joining us, drop me a line at thinkdiv a_t gmail dot com. bye On 9/21/06, Moritz Heidkamp wrote: > Hi everyone, > > concerning the German translation, I'd gladly help out! > > Best regards > Moritz > _______________________________________________ > vit-discuss mailing list > vit-discuss at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/vit-discuss > -- A.Wolff From demetriusnunes at gmail.com Fri Sep 22 07:09:38 2006 From: demetriusnunes at gmail.com (Demetrius Nunes) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 08:09:38 -0300 Subject: [Vit-discuss] Brazilian Portuguese Translations In-Reply-To: <31d15f490609212044o79277080xab1569406faab893@mail.gmail.com> References: <4512B71C.4000407@ubuntu.com> <31d15f490609212044o79277080xab1569406faab893@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4aa4f4d60609220409u582d07e6o98f1b884882da847@mail.gmail.com> I'd like to work on translating the Ruby web site. Cheers Demetrius On 9/22/06, Curt Hibbs wrote: > On 9/21/06, Og Maciel wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Hello, > > > > I am very interested in starting a Brazilian documentation effort and > > would like to know how to go about it. > > > > By the way, my name is Og Maciel and am the current leader for the > > brazilian translation team for Ubuntu. > > > > Cheers, > > - -- > > Og B. Maciel > > > > Are you interested in working on translating the Ruby web site, or the Ruby > documentation (these are two separate things). > > Curt > > _______________________________________________ > vit-discuss mailing list > vit-discuss at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/vit-discuss > > From ogmaciel at ubuntu.com Fri Sep 22 08:52:42 2006 From: ogmaciel at ubuntu.com (Og Maciel) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 08:52:42 -0400 Subject: [Vit-discuss] Brazilian Portuguese Translations In-Reply-To: <31d15f490609212044o79277080xab1569406faab893@mail.gmail.com> References: <4512B71C.4000407@ubuntu.com> <31d15f490609212044o79277080xab1569406faab893@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4513DC9A.1010300@ubuntu.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Curt Hibbs wrote: > Are you interested in working on translating the Ruby web site, or the Ruby > documentation (these are two separate things). Hi Curt, Actually both. ;) What's next? Cheers, - -- Og B. Maciel ogmaciel at ubuntu.com og.maciel at gmail.com GPG Keys: D5CFC202 http://www.ogmaciel.com (en_US) http://blog.ogmaciel.com (pt_BR) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFE9yaUDEm1NXPwgIRApylAJ9jU2Aiwe0lXxONdhjrF6iqh8E5lgCghQQN 3hy5onfuf1BTScH1ydop/VQ= =mabq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ladislav.martincik at gmail.com Fri Sep 22 11:43:53 2006 From: ladislav.martincik at gmail.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Ladislav_Martin=E8=EDk?=) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 17:43:53 +0200 Subject: [Vit-discuss] Czech translation In-Reply-To: <4513DC9A.1010300@ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <000301c6de5d$e9288730$0e02a8c0@arkanoid> Anyone translating to Czech? Ladislav Martincik From ogmaciel at ubuntu.com Fri Sep 22 18:33:57 2006 From: ogmaciel at ubuntu.com (Og Maciel) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 18:33:57 -0400 Subject: [Vit-discuss] Brazilian Portuguese Translations In-Reply-To: <4aa4f4d60609220409u582d07e6o98f1b884882da847@mail.gmail.com> References: <4512B71C.4000407@ubuntu.com> <31d15f490609212044o79277080xab1569406faab893@mail.gmail.com> <4aa4f4d60609220409u582d07e6o98f1b884882da847@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <451464D5.6030702@ubuntu.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Demetrius Nunes wrote: > I'd like to work on translating the Ruby web site. Hi Demetrius, Please feel free to contact me directly. I already have someone else who is also interested in helping out and we should be able to form a solid team very soon. Cheers, - -- Og B. Maciel ogmaciel at ubuntu.com og.maciel at gmail.com GPG Keys: D5CFC202 http://www.ogmaciel.com (en_US) http://blog.ogmaciel.com (pt_BR) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFFGTVUDEm1NXPwgIRAqYoAJ9Ocyta4o82O/WVX8oHFa6L7fdHFgCg2ep0 AVlicu+PGWaPOS00JbqC524= =mkwC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From curt.hibbs at gmail.com Fri Sep 22 18:26:33 2006 From: curt.hibbs at gmail.com (Curt Hibbs) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 17:26:33 -0500 Subject: [Vit-discuss] Czech translation In-Reply-To: <000301c6de5d$e9288730$0e02a8c0@arkanoid> References: <4513DC9A.1010300@ubuntu.com> <000301c6de5d$e9288730$0e02a8c0@arkanoid> Message-ID: <31d15f490609221526j40b12ad2sfde03e53d639197d@mail.gmail.com> On 9/22/06, Ladislav Martin??k wrote: > > Anyone translating to Czech? > > Ladislav Martincik > > Not yet... you are the first to inquire. Curt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: