From maki at rubycolor.org  Fri Nov  3 02:34:43 2006
From: maki at rubycolor.org (Masayoshi Takahashi)
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 16:34:43 +0900
Subject: [Vit-discuss] CGI vulnerability page
Message-ID: <454AF113.8040202@rubycolor.org>

Hi all,

I added a security patch information page:

  http://www.ruby-lang.org/admin/pages/edit/776

It's (not-well) translation of Japanese page.
I hope that someone refine and publish the page.

By the way, we should make the standard way of
publishing security information like this on Ruby
official site.


Thanks in advance,

Masayoshi Takahashi (maki at rubycolor.org)

From ng at johnwlong.com  Fri Nov  3 10:48:36 2006
From: ng at johnwlong.com (John W. Long)
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 10:48:36 -0500
Subject: [Vit-discuss] CGI vulnerability page
In-Reply-To: <454AF113.8040202@rubycolor.org>
References: <454AF113.8040202@rubycolor.org>
Message-ID: <454B64D4.9060904@johnwlong.com>

I'm working on this. Thanks.

--
John Long
http://wiseheartdesign.com

Masayoshi Takahashi wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I added a security patch information page:
> 
>   http://www.ruby-lang.org/admin/pages/edit/776
> 
> It's (not-well) translation of Japanese page.
> I hope that someone refine and publish the page.
> 
> By the way, we should make the standard way of
> publishing security information like this on Ruby
> official site.
> 
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Masayoshi Takahashi (maki at rubycolor.org)
> _______________________________________________
> vit-discuss mailing list
> vit-discuss at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/vit-discuss
> 


From ng at johnwlong.com  Fri Nov  3 11:43:25 2006
From: ng at johnwlong.com (John W. Long)
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 11:43:25 -0500
Subject: [Vit-discuss] CGI vulnerability page
In-Reply-To: <454AF113.8040202@rubycolor.org>
References: <454AF113.8040202@rubycolor.org>
Message-ID: <454B71AD.8000408@johnwlong.com>

Published:

http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/news/2006/11/03/CVE-2006-5467/

--
John Long
http://wiseheartdesign.com

Masayoshi Takahashi wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I added a security patch information page:
> 
>   http://www.ruby-lang.org/admin/pages/edit/776
> 
> It's (not-well) translation of Japanese page.
> I hope that someone refine and publish the page.
> 
> By the way, we should make the standard way of
> publishing security information like this on Ruby
> official site.
> 
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Masayoshi Takahashi (maki at rubycolor.org)
> _______________________________________________
> vit-discuss mailing list
> vit-discuss at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/vit-discuss
> 


From maki at rubycolor.org  Sun Nov  5 10:54:27 2006
From: maki at rubycolor.org (Masayoshi Takahashi)
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 00:54:27 +0900
Subject: [Vit-discuss] CGI vulnerability page
In-Reply-To: <454B71AD.8000408@johnwlong.com>
References: <454AF113.8040202@rubycolor.org> <454B71AD.8000408@johnwlong.com>
Message-ID: <454E0933.1080907@rubycolor.org>

John W. Long wrote:
> Published:
> 
> http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/news/2006/11/03/CVE-2006-5467/

Thanks, John!

How do we do for other language translation? I guess
at least korean translation should be published this
information in.


Regards,

Masayoshi Takahashi (maki at rubycolor.org)


From sjh at ruby-lang.tw  Mon Nov  6 01:59:50 2006
From: sjh at ruby-lang.tw (SJH)
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 14:59:50 +0800
Subject: [Vit-discuss] CGI vulnerability page
In-Reply-To: <454E0933.1080907@rubycolor.org>
References: <454AF113.8040202@rubycolor.org> <454B71AD.8000408@johnwlong.com>
	<454E0933.1080907@rubycolor.org>
Message-ID: <3dccec7f0611052259u73fbe095ma2c196588e639415@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/5/06, Masayoshi Takahashi <maki at rubycolor.org> wrote:
>
> How do we do for other language translation? I guess
> at least korean translation should be published this
> information in.
>

Chinese Version:
http://www.ruby-lang.org/zh_TW/news/2006/11/05/CVE-2006-5467/

From hgs at dmu.ac.uk  Wed Nov 15 05:30:36 2006
From: hgs at dmu.ac.uk (Hugh Sasse)
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 10:30:36 +0000 (WET)
Subject: [Vit-discuss]  CSS mods: low vision, a first step (patch) (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.64.0611151026480.14112@brains.eng.cse.dmu.ac.uk>

I submitted this patch 2 months ago.  In case it has been completely
forgotten I'm submitting it in full again.  I'm doing this because
I've seen no changes along these lines on the website.

        HTH
        Hugh

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:59:48 +0100 (WEST)
From: Hugh Sasse <hgs at dmu.ac.uk>
Reply-To: vit-discuss at rubyforge.org
To: vit-discuss at rubyforge.org
Subject: [Vit-discuss] CSS mods: low vision, a first step (patch)

In the following patch I have tried to address some of the issues
I have had viewing the Ruby site.  In particular
  * Add alternate stylesheet (avoids pollution of well-loved style)
  * Improve visibility of search box
  * Bump up a few font sizes
  * increase contrast on menu links, and on who-submitted-what info.

Issues that remain unaddressed:

  * flipping the body colourscheme to light on dark. 
  * fine-grained layout improvements
  * reduction of the number of images (which make colour selection more
    difficult.)
  * make columns wider to accommodate larger text

However, it is a start, and I'm pretty sure it doesn't break anything.
The patch is below.  (There is probably a way to tell patch to derive
a new stylesheet from an old one, but I don't have a clue what that is,
so I've just done it by touch'ing the non-existant version of the old
file and doing the diff against that.)

        HTH
        Hugh

--- ./en/index.html.orig	2006-09-12 18:53:55.357928000 +0100
+++ ./en/index.html	2006-09-15 15:06:15.769223000 +0100
@@ -4,7 +4,8 @@
   <head>
     <title>Ruby Programming Language</title>
     <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="/stylesheets/low.css" />
-    <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="/stylesheets/screen.css" media="screen" />
+    <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" title="standard" href="/stylesheets/screen.css" media="screen" />
+    <link rel="alternate stylesheet" type="text/css" title="low vision" href="/stylesheets/screen_lo_vis.css" media="screen" />
     <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="/stylesheets/print.css" media="print" />
     <link rel="shortcut icon" type="image/x-icon" href="/favicon.ico" />
     <link href="/en/feeds/news.rss" rel="alternate" title="RSS" type="application/rss+xml" />
--- ./stylesheets/screen_lo_vis.css.orig	1980-01-01 00:00:00.000000000 +0000
+++ ./stylesheets/screen_lo_vis.css	2006-09-15 15:32:03.614018000 +0100
@@ -0,0 +1,6 @@
+/*
+	screen_lo_vis.css - styles for the screen for visually impaired people
+*/
+
+ at import url(/stylesheets/high_lo_vis.css);
+ at import url(/stylesheets/shared_lo_vis.css);
--- ./stylesheets/high_lo_vis.css.orig	1980-01-01 00:00:00.000000000 +0000
+++ ./stylesheets/high_lo_vis.css	2006-09-15 16:43:23.090433000 +0100
@@ -0,0 +1,510 @@
+/*
+  high.css - styles for modern browsers, but for people with low vision.
+*/
+
+body {
+  background-color: #213449;
+  color: white;
+  margin: 0;
+  padding: 0;
+  text-align: center;
+}
+.site-links {
+  background-image: url(/images/site-links-background.gif);
+  background-position: bottom;
+  background-repeat: repeat-x;
+}
+.site-links a, .site-links a:visited, .site-links strong {
+  color: white;
+  text-decoration: none;
+  display: block;
+  padding: 8px;
+  padding-left: 6px;
+  padding-right: 6px;
+  margin-left: 4px;
+  float: left;
+}
+.site-links a:hover {
+  color: white;
+  text-decoration: underline;
+}
+.site-links strong a, .site-links strong a:visited {
+  padding: 0;
+  margin: 0;
+  display: inline;
+}
+#page {
+  background-image: url(/images/shadow.jpg);
+  background-position: center;
+  background-repeat: repeat-y;
+}
+#logo {
+  background-image: url(/images/logo-background.jpg);
+  background-position: top left;
+  background-repeat: no-repeat;
+  padding-top: 14px;
+}
+#logo img {
+  position: relative;
+  z-index: 1;
+}
+#header, #main-wrapper {
+  background: white;
+  text-align: left;
+  margin-left: auto;
+  margin-right: auto;
+  width: 766px;
+}
+#header {
+  background-image: url(/images/header-background.jpg);
+  background-position: right;
+  background-repeat: repeat-y;
+}
+#header .site-links {
+  float: left;
+  width: 100%;
+}
+#main {
+  color: black;
+  background-color: white;
+  background-image: url(/images/columns.jpg);
+  background-position: right;
+  background-repeat: repeat-y;
+  float: left;
+}
+#main .site-links {
+  width: 766px;
+  float: left;
+  clear: both;
+  margin-left: auto;
+  margin-right: auto;
+  text-align: center;
+}
+#content-wrapper {
+  float: left;
+  width: 766px;
+  margin-right: -400px;
+}
+#head-wrapper-1 {
+  background-color: #346090;
+  background-image: url(/images/blue-columns.jpg);
+  background-repeat: repeat-y;
+  background-position: center;
+  margin-left: 0px;
+  margin-bottom: 24px;
+  color: white;
+  float: left;
+  width: 100%;
+}
+#head-wrapper-2 {
+  float: left;
+  width: 100%;
+}
+#head {
+  float: left;
+  padding-top: 24px;
+  padding-bottom: 24px;
+  width: 100%;
+}
+#head h1 {
+  font-size: 240%;
+  padding-left: 32px;
+  margin: 0;
+  margin-top: 18px;
+  margin-right: 269px;
+}
+#head a { color: white; }
+#intro, #code {
+  display: inline;
+  float: left;
+}
+#intro {
+  color: #d3dce6;
+  font-size: 95%;
+  padding-left: 32px;
+  padding-right: 23px;
+  padding-bottom: 10px;
+  width: 202px;
+}
+#intro h1 {
+  background-image: url(/images/dotted-underline.gif);
+  background-position: bottom;
+  background-repeat: repeat-x;
+  color: white;
+  font-size: 240%;
+  margin: 0;
+  margin-bottom: .5em;
+  padding: 0;
+  padding-top: 4px;
+  padding-bottom: 4px;
+}
+#intro p {
+  line-height: 150%;
+  margin-top: 0;
+  margin-bottom: 1em;
+}
+#code {
+  color: white;
+  display: block;
+  font-size: 95%;
+  line-height: 110%;
+  padding-top: 24px;
+  width: 244px;
+}
+#code div {
+  display: block;
+  font-family: "Lucida Console", Monaco, monospace;
+  padding-left: 24px;
+  padding-right: 24px;
+}
+#code .keyword {
+  color: #f9bb00;
+}
+#code .comment {
+  color: #428bdd;
+}
+#code .string {
+  color: #00cc00;
+}
+#code .blank-line {
+  line-height: 70%;
+}
+#head .multi-page {
+  float: right;
+  font-weight: normal;
+  margin-top: 18px;
+  margin-right: 269px;
+  padding-top: 1em;
+}
+#head .multi-page .separator {
+  display: none;
+}
+#head .multi-page a,
+#head .multi-page strong {
+  padding: 3px;
+  padding-left: 6px;
+  padding-right: 6px;
+}
+#head .multi-page strong {
+  border: 2px solid #b0c5dd;
+}
+#content {
+  margin-right: 239px;
+  padding: 32px;
+  padding-top: 1px;
+  line-height: 160%;
+}
+#content h3 {
+  background-image: url(/images/dotted-underline.gif);
+  background-position: bottom;
+  background-repeat: repeat-x;
+  padding-bottom: 8px;
+}
+#content h3 a {
+  color: #c61a1a;
+  text-decoration: none;
+}
+#content h3 a:hover, #content h3 a:visited:hover {
+  color: #e85353;
+}
+#content #news ul {
+  float: left;
+  list-style: none;
+  margin: 0;
+  margin-right: 10px;
+  line-height: 120%;
+  padding: 0;
+  width: 220px;
+}
+#content #news ul li {
+  background-image: url(/images/bullet.gif);
+  background-position: left top;
+  background-repeat: no-repeat;
+  display: block;
+  list-style: none;
+  margin: 0;
+  margin-top: .25em;
+  margin-bottom: .75em;
+  padding: 0;
+  padding-left: 12px;
+}
+#content #news ul a {
+  color: #1111ee;
+  display: block;
+  /* font-family: Georgia, Palatino, "Times New Roman", Times, serif; */
+  font-family: Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
+  font-size: 125%;
+  line-height: 110%;
+  text-decoration: none;
+}
+#content #news ul a:hover,
+#content #news ul a:visited:hover {
+  text-decoration: underline;
+}
+#content #news .more {
+  clear: both;
+  margin-top: 1em;
+}
+#content pre.code {
+  background-color: #213449;
+  background-image: url(/images/code-box-top-left.gif);
+  background-position: top left;
+  background-repeat: no-repeat;
+  color: white;
+  display: block;
+  overflow: auto;
+  width: 100%;
+}
+#content pre.code code {
+  background-image: url(/images/code-box-bottom-right.gif);
+  background-position: bottom right;
+  background-repeat: no-repeat;
+  display: block;
+  font-family: "Lucida Console", Monaco, monospace;
+  font-size: 115%;
+  line-height: 135%;
+  padding: 15px;
+}
+#content pre.code .comment {
+  color: #428bdd;
+}
+#content pre.code .keyword {
+  color: #f9bb00;
+}
+#content pre.code .method {
+  color: #fff;
+}
+#content pre.code .class {
+  color: #fff;
+}
+#content pre.code .module {
+  color: #050;
+}
+#content pre.code .punct {
+  color: #8aa6c1;
+}
+#content pre.code .symbol {
+  color: #b53b3c;
+}
+#content pre.code .string {
+  color: #00cc00;
+}
+#content pre.code .char {
+  color: #f07;
+}
+#content pre.code .ident {
+  color: #fff;
+}
+#content pre.code .constant {
+  color: #8aa6c1;
+}
+#content pre.code .regex {
+  color: #ca4344;
+}
+#content pre.code .number {
+  color: #eddd3d;
+}
+#content pre.code .global {
+  color: #fff;
+}
+#content pre.code .expr {
+  color: #fff;
+}
+#content pre.code .escape {
+  color: #eddd3d;
+}
+#content pre.code .attribute {  
+  color: #8aa6c1;
+}
+#content pre.code.xml-code .string {
+  color: #fff;
+}
+#content dl dt {
+  /* font-family: Georgia, Palatino, "Times New Roman", Times, serif; */
+  font-family: Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
+  font-weight: bold;
+  font-size: 120%;
+  margin-top: 1em;
+}
+#content dl dd {
+  margin-left: 1.5em;
+}
+#content .error {
+  color: red;
+}
+#content .fieldset {
+  border-top: 3px solid #39618b;
+  background: #e2ebf6;
+  background: #e2eff6;
+  width: 100%;
+}
+#subscriptions-form .fieldset td {
+  background-image: url(/images/dark-dotted-underline.gif);
+  background-position: bottom;
+  background-repeat: repeat-x;
+  padding: 5px;
+  padding-left: 15px;
+}
+#content .fieldset td.label {
+  text-align: right;
+}
+#content .buttons {
+  margin-top: 1.5em;
+}
+#content .buttons input[type=submit] {
+  font-size: 130%;
+}
+#sidebar-wrapper {
+  float: right;
+  width: 237px;
+}
+#sidebar {
+  font-size: 90%;
+  margin-top: 26px;
+  padding-left: 20px;
+  padding-right: 20px;
+  padding-bottom: 20px;
+}
+#sidebar h3 {
+  /* background-image: url(/images/dotted-underline.gif); */
+  background-position: bottom;
+  background-repeat: repeat-x;
+  color: #333333;
+  font-size: 130%;
+  margin-top: 2.5em;
+  margin-bottom: .5em;
+  padding-bottom: 4px;
+}
+#sidebar ul, #sidebar ul li {
+  margin-left: .75em;
+  margin-top: 0;
+  padding-left: 0;
+}
+#sidebar ul li {
+  margin-bottom: .25em;
+}
+#sidebar .navigation {
+  margin-bottom: 22px;
+}
+#sidebar .navigation h3,
+#sidebar .navigation ul li,
+#sidebar .navigation .more {
+  margin: 0;
+  padding: 4px;
+  padding-left: 8px;
+  padding-right: 8px;
+}
+#sidebar .navigation h3 {
+  font-family: Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
+  font-size: 100%;
+  font-weight: normal;
+  background: #1a4676;
+  color: white;
+  margin: 0;
+  padding-bottom: 5px;
+}
+#sidebar .navigation h3 strong {
+  font-family: Georgia, Palatino, "Times New Roman", Times, serif;
+  font-size: 130%;
+}
+#sidebar .navigation ul,
+#sidebar .navigation ul li {
+  list-style: none;
+  margin: 0;
+}
+#sidebar .navigation ul li {
+  background-color: #dbeff6;
+  /* background-image: url(/images/dark-dotted-underline.gif); */
+  background-position: bottom;
+  background-repeat: repeat-x;
+  padding-bottom: 8px;
+}
+#sidebar .navigation .more {
+  padding-bottom: 8px;
+}
+#sidebar .navigation .menu a,
+#sidebar .navigation .more a {
+  color: #1111ee;
+  text-decoration: none;
+}
+#sidebar .navigation a {
+  color: #1111ee;
+  text-decoration: none;
+}
+#sidebar .navigation .menu a:hover,
+#sidebar .navigation .menu a:visited:hover,
+#sidebar .navigation .more a:hover,
+#sidebar .navigation .more a:visited:hover {
+  text-decoration: underline;
+}
+#search-box {
+  clear: both;
+  margin-left: auto;
+  margin-right: auto;
+  text-align: left;
+  width: 738px;
+}
+#search-form {
+  position: absolute;
+  top: 57px;
+  width: 738px;
+}
+#search-box .fieldset {
+  float: right;
+}
+#search-form .field {
+  width: 214px;
+  height: 20px;
+}
+#search-form .button {
+  width: 148px;
+  height: 48px;
+}
+#foot { clear: both; }
+#footer p {
+  color: #8D959F;
+  font-size: 85%;
+  margin: auto;
+  margin-top: 0;
+  margin-bottom: .75em;
+  padding: 14px;
+  padding-top: 0;
+  padding-bottom: 0;
+  text-align: left;
+  width: 738px;
+}
+#footer a, #footer a:visited {
+  color: #B6BCC2;
+}
+#footer a:hover, #footer a:visited:hover {
+  color: white;
+}
+#footer .fine-print {
+  background-color: #213449;
+  background-image: url(/images/footer-background.jpg);
+  background-position: top;
+  background-repeat: no-repeat;
+  clear: both;
+  line-height: 140%;
+  padding-top: 10px;
+}
+
+/* layouts */
+
+#home-page-layout #head-wrapper-1 {
+  background-image: url(/images/blue-columns-home-page.jpg);
+  margin-bottom: -5px;
+}
+#home-page-layout #head-wrapper-1:first-child {
+  margin-bottom: 24px;
+}
+#home-page-layout #head-wrapper-2 {
+  background-image: url(/images/blue-columns-top-home-page.jpg);
+  background-repeat: no-repeat;
+  background-position: top;
+}
+#home-page-layout #head {
+  background-image: url(/images/blue-columns-bottom-home-page.jpg);
+  background-repeat: no-repeat;
+  background-position: bottom;
+}
--- ./stylesheets/shared_lo_vis.css.orig	1980-01-01 00:00:00.000000000 +0000
+++ ./stylesheets/shared_lo_vis.css	2006-09-15 16:02:02.753375000 +0100
@@ -0,0 +1,73 @@
+/*
+  shared.css - styles shared between print and high
+*/
+body {
+  font-size: 90%;
+}
+.hidden-modern {
+  position: absolute;
+  left: -20000px;
+  top: -20000px;
+}
+.site-links .separator { display: none; }
+.site-links {
+  background-color: #7d0000;
+}
+#content h2 {
+  font-size: 180%;
+  margin-top: 1.5em;
+}
+#content h3 {
+  color: #b60a0a;
+  font-weight: normal;
+  font-size: 180%;
+  line-height: 120%;
+  /*margin-top: 1.5em;*/
+  margin-bottom: .75em;
+}
+#content .post {
+  margin-bottom: 2em;
+}
+#content h4 {
+  font-weight: normal;
+  font-size: 170%;
+  line-height: 120%;
+  margin-top: 2em;
+  margin-bottom: 1em;
+}
+#content h5 {
+  font-weight: bold;
+  font-size: 120%;
+  line-height: 120%;
+  margin-top: 2em;
+  margin-bottom: 1em;
+}
+#content p {
+  margin-top: 0;
+}
+#content .post-info {
+  color: #706f59;
+  font-size: 100%;
+}
+#search-form .field {
+  border: 4px solid #a3a39f;
+}
+#search-form .button {
+  border: 4px solid #a3a39f;
+  background-color: #f6f6e7;
+  color: #9b9b95;
+  font-family: Georgia, Palatino, "Times New Roman", Times, serif;
+  font-size: 24px;
+  font-weight: bold;
+}
+#footer {
+  clear: both;
+}
+
+
+/* layouts */
+
+#home-page-layout h3 {
+  margin-top: 1.5em;
+  margin-bottom: .5em;
+}
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From james at grayproductions.net  Wed Nov 15 11:03:53 2006
From: james at grayproductions.net (James Edward Gray II)
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 10:03:53 -0600
Subject: [Vit-discuss] CSS mods: low vision, a first step (patch) (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.64.0611151026480.14112@brains.eng.cse.dmu.ac.uk>
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On Nov 15, 2006, at 4:30 AM, Hugh Sasse wrote:

> I submitted this patch 2 months ago.  In case it has been completely
> forgotten I'm submitting it in full again.  I'm doing this because
> I've seen no changes along these lines on the website.

Sorry Hugh.  There was some confusion about who needed to handle  
this.  Our bad.

We've looked through it now and are discussing it.  Currently, I see  
no obvious reasons not to apply this though.

We will keep you posted on our efforts.

Sorry again for the delay.

James Edward Gray II


From hgs at dmu.ac.uk  Wed Nov 15 12:56:06 2006
From: hgs at dmu.ac.uk (Hugh Sasse)
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 17:56:06 +0000 (WET)
Subject: [Vit-discuss] CSS mods: low vision, a first step (patch) (fwd)
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On Wed, 15 Nov 2006, James Edward Gray II wrote:

> On Nov 15, 2006, at 4:30 AM, Hugh Sasse wrote:
> 
> > I submitted this patch 2 months ago.  In case it has been completely
> > forgotten I'm submitting it in full again.  I'm doing this because
> > I've seen no changes along these lines on the website.
> 
> Sorry Hugh.  There was some confusion about who needed to handle  
> this.  Our bad.

OK.
> 
> We've looked through it now and are discussing it.  Currently, I see  
> no obvious reasons not to apply this though.

I'd be interested in the nature of the discussion.  I don't think it
is perfect, it doesn't meet the needs of all visually impaired
people, but I think it is a start.  I think there'll need to be more
than one alternative stylesheet, given the diverse nature of these
things.  If I were to advise, I'd suggest that it be made live and
then debate, creation of alternatives, etc, be encouraged.
> 
> We will keep you posted on our efforts.

Please do, thanks.
> 
> Sorry again for the delay.

Thank you for apologising; apology accepted. 
> 
> James Edward Gray II
> 
        Hugh

From james at grayproductions.net  Wed Nov 15 15:32:15 2006
From: james at grayproductions.net (James Edward Gray II)
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 14:32:15 -0600
Subject: [Vit-discuss] CSS mods: low vision, a first step (patch) (fwd)
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On Nov 15, 2006, at 11:56 AM, Hugh Sasse wrote:

> On Wed, 15 Nov 2006, James Edward Gray II wrote:
>
>> We've looked through it now and are discussing it.  Currently, I see
>> no obvious reasons not to apply this though.
>
> I'd be interested in the nature of the discussion.

It was pretty Laurel and Hardy:

Laurel:  Did you see Hugh's message?
Hardy:  The CSS patch?
Laurel:  Yes.
...
Laurel:  You handling it?
Hardy:  No.  You?
Laurel:  No.
...
Hardy:  What is it?
Laurel:  A ready-to-use service for the Ruby community.
Hardy:  So all we have to do is put it in?
Laurel:  Yeah.
...
Hardy:  So what's the downside?
Laurel:  I'm not aware of one.
...
Hardy:  Guess we probably ought to do that then...

Great process, eh?  ;)

Unfortunately, this is one of the few things we can easily change  
inside the CMS itself.  We need to make the change in Subversion and  
upgrade the server.  No big deal, I'm just explaining why we haven't  
just pushed a button and made it happen yet.

We also just realized that only Laurel has access to some of these  
services.  We're going to try and correct that too, in the future, so  
Hardy can help out with these tasks too.  ;)

We'll get this technology stuff figured out, you just watch!

James Edward Gray II


From hgs at dmu.ac.uk  Thu Nov 16 05:22:22 2006
From: hgs at dmu.ac.uk (Hugh Sasse)
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 10:22:22 +0000 (WET)
Subject: [Vit-discuss] CSS mods: low vision, a first step (patch) (fwd)
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On Wed, 15 Nov 2006, James Edward Gray II wrote:

> On Nov 15, 2006, at 11:56 AM, Hugh Sasse wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 15 Nov 2006, James Edward Gray II wrote:
> >
> >> We've looked through it now and are discussing it.  Currently, I see
> >> no obvious reasons not to apply this though.
> >
> > I'd be interested in the nature of the discussion.
> 
> It was pretty Laurel and Hardy:
        [...]
> Great process, eh?  ;)

:-) No planks or pianos were damaged in the making of this process!
> 
> Unfortunately, this is one of the few things we can easily change  
> inside the CMS itself.  We need to make the change in Subversion and  
> upgrade the server.  No big deal, I'm just explaining why we haven't  
> just pushed a button and made it happen yet.

OK, hopefully it won't be a big change.  I had to use a vile CMS 
at work that denied all access to the HTML or CSS, and that would
have been a nightmare to change, I'm sure.
> 
> We also just realized that only Laurel has access to some of these  
> services.  We're going to try and correct that too, in the future, so  
> Hardy can help out with these tasks too.  ;)

Sounds like a good move.   It might be useful to provide read-only
access to the configuration file(s) for this sort of thing, so if
CSS is not used directly (but generated) we can send you patches
against the proper files.
> 
> We'll get this technology stuff figured out, you just watch!

:-)  [Actually, that probably applies to the whole software industry!]
> 
> James Edward Gray II

        Thank you,
        Hugh

From hgs at dmu.ac.uk  Thu Nov 16 06:35:56 2006
From: hgs at dmu.ac.uk (Hugh Sasse)
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 11:35:56 +0000 (WET)
Subject: [Vit-discuss] Error messages from Search Box.
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I just got:

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"
   "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd">
<html>
<body>
  <h1>Application error (Apache)</h1>
  <p>Change this error message for exceptions thrown outside of an action (like in Dispatcher setups or broken Ruby code) in public/500.html</p>
</body>
</html>

after putting 
vulnerability
into the search box on the main Ruby page.

I just re-ran the search and it is OK now, but maybe something useful
got logged.

        Hugh

From ng at johnwlong.com  Fri Nov 24 23:25:41 2006
From: ng at johnwlong.com (John W. Long)
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 23:25:41 -0500
Subject: [Vit-discuss] CSS mods: low vision, a first step (patch) (fwd)
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Hugh Sasse wrote:
> I submitted this patch 2 months ago.  In case it has been completely
> forgotten I'm submitting it in full again.  I'm doing this because
> I've seen no changes along these lines on the website.

Hugh, I'm looking at your style sheets now. From what I can tell you've 
basically increased the font-size on a couple of elements and changed 
the links in the sidebar to bright blue. Were there other changes?

Have you considered how the site appears to people who are color blind?

--
John Long
http://wiseheartdesign.com

From james at grayproductions.net  Sat Nov 25 11:33:58 2006
From: james at grayproductions.net (James Edward Gray II)
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 10:33:58 -0600
Subject: [Vit-discuss] CSS mods: low vision, a first step (patch) (fwd)
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On Nov 24, 2006, at 10:25 PM, John W. Long wrote:

> From what I can tell you've
> basically increased the font-size on a couple of elements...

Hugh, can you tell us the advantage of doing that in a stylesheet as  
opposed to clicking your browser's equivalent "Make Text Larger"  
button?  We're not trying to be difficult, we're just new to all this  
low-vision stuff and trying to learn.

You changes seemed pretty minimal to us.  I think we're wondering if  
we can't offer a not-very-styled alternative to address the majority  
of low vision needs instead.

James Edward Gray II

From hgs at dmu.ac.uk  Mon Nov 27 05:27:29 2006
From: hgs at dmu.ac.uk (Hugh Sasse)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 10:27:29 +0000 (WET)
Subject: [Vit-discuss] CSS mods: low vision, a first step (patch) (fwd)
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On Fri, 24 Nov 2006, John W. Long wrote:

> Hugh Sasse wrote:
> > I submitted this patch 2 months ago.  In case it has been completely
> > forgotten I'm submitting it in full again.  I'm doing this because
> > I've seen no changes along these lines on the website.
> 
> Hugh, I'm looking at your style sheets now. From what I can tell you've 
> basically increased the font-size on a couple of elements and changed 
> the links in the sidebar to bright blue. Were there other changes?

Yes, I've changed the search box so its border is thicker, so it is
clearly visible.  I've also made the footnote text which is pale grey
into a darker colour so it is more legible.   I have tried to maintain
the "house style" as far as possible.
> 
> Have you considered how the site appears to people who are color blind?

At the moment I have only addressed the problems for those with low acuity,
who will need better contrast and bigger text.  This is an area more
familiar to me than the other areas that need addressing.  Once there
is one alternate stylesheet, and the mechanism established for others, 
I'm sure you'll get contributions for other matters.  Those that I can 
foresee include:

  * As you say colourblindness.  There is red/green and blue/yellow
    prinicipally, but I think there are people who see in black and white
    only.

  * Braille users: depending on the browser they use, the multicolumn
    layout may be a problem.  But it's a few years since I looked at
    this and the tech to support it may have overcome that.

  * People browsing with speech.   The situation is similar to braille,
    in many respects.

  * Deaf users if/when there is audio content, podcasts etc.

As I pointed out, this is just a start.

        Thank you,
        Hugh

From blaumag at gmail.com  Tue Nov 28 09:12:37 2006
From: blaumag at gmail.com (Michel Martens)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 15:12:37 +0100
Subject: [Vit-discuss] CSS mods: low vision, a first step (patch) (fwd)
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On 11/27/06, Hugh Sasse <hgs at dmu.ac.uk> wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Nov 2006, John W. Long wrote:
>
> > Hugh Sasse wrote:
> > > I submitted this patch 2 months ago.  In case it has been completely
> > > forgotten I'm submitting it in full again.  I'm doing this because
> > > I've seen no changes along these lines on the website.
> >
> > Hugh, I'm looking at your style sheets now. From what I can tell you've
> > basically increased the font-size on a couple of elements and changed
> > the links in the sidebar to bright blue. Were there other changes?
>
> Yes, I've changed the search box so its border is thicker, so it is
> clearly visible.  I've also made the footnote text which is pale grey
> into a darker colour so it is more legible.   I have tried to maintain
> the "house style" as far as possible.
> >
> > Have you considered how the site appears to people who are color blind?
>
> At the moment I have only addressed the problems for those with low acuity,
> who will need better contrast and bigger text.  This is an area more
> familiar to me than the other areas that need addressing.  Once there
> is one alternate stylesheet, and the mechanism established for others,
> I'm sure you'll get contributions for other matters.  Those that I can
> foresee include:
>
>   * As you say colourblindness.  There is red/green and blue/yellow
>     prinicipally, but I think there are people who see in black and white
>     only.

Just in case it helps:  I'm color blind, and so far I had no problems
with the website.

Michel.