From shugo at ruby-lang.org Tue Aug 2 13:05:09 2011 From: shugo at ruby-lang.org (shugo at ruby-lang.org) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 06:05:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Vit-core] CHECK THE ATTACHMENT AND PHONE MY SON PAUL ON TEL:+27786323657 Message-ID: <1312290309.83804.YahooMailRC@web181706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: FROM MRS ROSE MODISE FAMILY.doc Type: application/msword Size: 27136 bytes Desc: not available URL: From shugo at ruby-lang.org Wed Aug 3 08:25:00 2011 From: shugo at ruby-lang.org (shugo at ruby-lang.org) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 13:55:00 +0530 Subject: [Vit-core] Regarding the http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/ Message-ID: Hi Guys, We have just read the news here http://www.rubyinside.com/official-ruby-site-not-so-good-5248.html We are a group of Rails contributors list is below and eager to contribute to maintain this. 1. Arun Agarwal 2. Karunakar Revuri 3. Vishnu Sharma 4. Raghunadth We are eager to contribute this ruby official site http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/. *Please ignore my email if the news is not true.* -Thanks, -Karunakar -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jd at typhon.org Wed Aug 3 08:37:19 2011 From: jd at typhon.org (jd) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 10:37:19 +0200 Subject: [Vit-core] What about a summer refresh? Message-ID: <4E3908BF.9090704@typhon.org> Hi everyone. I'm Jean-Denis, one of the fr. maintainer. On 11/07/2010, I sent a mail entitled "Cleaning up ruby-lang.org". Auto-quoting is bad, but I'll do it anyway :) --- QUOTE A few months ago I wrote a message about upgrading Radiant and streamlining translations which did not received any feedback. I think those subjects still deserve some discussion, so here's my reminder :) 1. Radiant Radiant 0.9.0 has been released. It has a better admin UI, i18n support, better plugins and plugins managment, several new template features which may come in handy. I guess switching to this new version really makes sense for ruby-lang.org. It may not be a trivial switch, though (can't really decide as I did not played that much with it). I'd love to hear what you think about such an operation. 2. Translations decay Several translations are outdated. This is bad for (at least) two reasons: - newcomers who stick to their mother tongue rather than reading English get outdated info and links - it gives the world a bad idea of how dynamic is the Ruby language, reflected by its community. Maybe now is the time for a great cleanup? Several teams did not *ever* send a message to the mailing-list. Radiant does not make it easy to monitor both changes made to other languages (mainly en) and changes made by individuals, but I guess some translations get updated once a year or even worse. Look at the Spanish or Czech versions for instance: news items, which should be the easiest to cope with, are lying beyond. So, what do you think about checking which teams are actually *alive*, and switching translations which are either not backed up anymore or not updated on a regular basis *offline* (means, they would still be available within the admin but not featured on the frontend)? 3. Content overhaul Last but not least, some piece of content are not that up-to-date. For instance, the main About page features old figures, and its general tone is that of 2006 while Ruby was not really mainstream yet. Things have changed since then, and we may want to outline different aspects, and/or give some more perspective about the evolution of the language and its current status. This holds true for several other pages. We could also insist on better describing the current ecosystem for ruby libraries, clarifying the whole rubygems.org/github.org stuff as of 2010. --- /QUOTE Few answers and few acts in return. John W. Long asked Shugo Maeda about a server upgrade preventing from upgrading Radiant to its latest version, but we had no more info on this point. No activity on https://github.com/rubyidentity/ruby-lang. But now people other than me got mad and start to scream it out: http://www.rubyinside.com/official-ruby-site-not-so-good-5248.html. We *need* to push things further: * Finding someone who know what's been done, and has the server key (or at least contact and info). Really, most of us lurking on this ml don't know each others! * Upgrading Radiant. * Get *rid of* unmaintained translations (I mean something along mv old_translation old_translation.hidden_but_cached_waiting_for_a_maintainer). * Checking everybody's alive, deleting ghost accounts. * Upgrading major content to reflect current state and practices (rubygems.org, github, and the like). Some people will propose themselves on the ml I guess, but not too fast, boy :) It's something easy enough yet it requires a bit of trust and dedication, so I'd recommend picking two or three guys from here at most, who we can trust for they've been maintaining their parts for quite some time now, and allow them to perform all the points on the list above. Please, answer this one and react :) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From curt.hibbs at gmail.com Wed Aug 3 12:57:05 2011 From: curt.hibbs at gmail.com (Curt Hibbs) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 07:57:05 -0500 Subject: [Vit-core] What about a summer refresh? In-Reply-To: <4E3908BF.9090704@typhon.org> References: <4E3908BF.9090704@typhon.org> Message-ID: It all sounds reasonable to me. The part I can handle is contacting all of the translation teams. I'll get started on that sometime this week. On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 3:37 AM, jd wrote: > ** > Hi everyone. I'm Jean-Denis, one of the fr. maintainer. > > > On 11/07/2010, I sent a mail entitled "Cleaning up ruby-lang.org". > Auto-quoting is bad, but I'll do it anyway :) > > > --- QUOTE > A few months ago I wrote a message about upgrading Radiant and streamlining > translations which did not received any feedback. > > I think those subjects still deserve some discussion, so here's my reminder > :) > > > 1. Radiant > > Radiant 0.9.0 has been released. It has a better admin UI, i18n support, > better plugins and plugins managment, several new template features which > may come in handy. I guess switching to this new version really makes sense > for ruby-lang.org. It may not be a trivial switch, though (can't really > decide as I did not played that much with it). I'd love to hear what you > think about such an operation. > > 2. Translations decay > > Several translations are outdated. This is bad for (at least) two reasons: > - newcomers who stick to their mother tongue rather than reading English > get outdated info and links > - it gives the world a bad idea of how dynamic is the Ruby language, > reflected by its community. > > Maybe now is the time for a great cleanup? Several teams did not **ever**send a message to the mailing-list. Radiant does not make it easy to monitor > both changes made to other languages (mainly en) and changes made by > individuals, but I guess some translations get updated once a year or even > worse. Look at the Spanish or Czech versions for instance: news items, which > should be the easiest to cope with, are lying beyond. > > So, what do you think about checking which teams are actually **alive**, > and switching translations which are either not backed up anymore or not > updated on a regular basis **offline** (means, they would still be > available within the admin but not featured on the frontend)? > > 3. Content overhaul > > Last but not least, some piece of content are not that up-to-date. For > instance, the main About page features old figures, and its general tone is > that of 2006 while Ruby was not really mainstream yet. Things have changed > since then, and we may want to outline different aspects, and/or give some > more perspective about the evolution of the language and its current status. > This holds true for several other pages. We could also insist on better > describing the current ecosystem for ruby libraries, clarifying the whole > rubygems.org/github.org stuff as of 2010. > --- /QUOTE > > > Few answers and few acts in return. John W. Long asked Shugo Maeda about a > server upgrade preventing from upgrading Radiant to its latest version, but > we had no more info on this point. No activity on > https://github.com/rubyidentity/ruby-lang. > > But now people other than me got mad and start to scream it out: > http://www.rubyinside.com/official-ruby-site-not-so-good-5248.html. We > *need* to push things further: > > * Finding someone who know what's been done, and has the server key (or at > least contact and info). Really, most of us lurking on this ml don't know > each others! > * Upgrading Radiant. > * Get *rid of* unmaintained translations (I mean something along mv > old_translation old_translation.hidden_but_cached_waiting_for_a_maintainer). > * Checking everybody's alive, deleting ghost accounts. > * Upgrading major content to reflect current state and practices ( > rubygems.org, github, and the like). > > Some people will propose themselves on the ml I guess, but not too fast, > boy :) It's something easy enough yet it requires a bit of trust and > dedication, so I'd recommend picking two or three guys from here at most, > who we can trust for they've been maintaining their parts for quite some > time now, and allow them to perform all the points on the list above. > > Please, answer this one and react :) > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Vit-core mailing list > Vit-core at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/vit-core > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'll get started on that sometime this week. > > On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 3:37 AM, jd wrote: > Hi everyone. I'm Jean-Denis, one of the fr. maintainer. > > > On 11/07/2010, I sent a mail entitled "Cleaning up ruby-lang.org". Auto-quoting is bad, but I'll do it anyway :) > > > --- QUOTE > A few months ago I wrote a message about upgrading Radiant and streamlining translations which did not received any feedback. > > I think those subjects still deserve some discussion, so here's my reminder :) > > > 1. Radiant > > Radiant 0.9.0 has been released. It has a better admin UI, i18n support, better plugins and plugins managment, several new template features which may come in handy. I guess switching to this new version really makes sense for ruby-lang.org. It may not be a trivial switch, though (can't really decide as I did not played that much with it). I'd love to hear what you think about such an operation. > > 2. Translations decay > > Several translations are outdated. This is bad for (at least) two reasons: > - newcomers who stick to their mother tongue rather than reading English get outdated info and links > - it gives the world a bad idea of how dynamic is the Ruby language, reflected by its community. > > Maybe now is the time for a great cleanup? Several teams did not *ever* send a message to the mailing-list. Radiant does not make it easy to monitor both changes made to other languages (mainly en) and changes made by individuals, but I guess some translations get updated once a year or even worse. Look at the Spanish or Czech versions for instance: news items, which should be the easiest to cope with, are lying beyond. > > So, what do you think about checking which teams are actually *alive*, and switching translations which are either not backed up anymore or not updated on a regular basis *offline* (means, they would still be available within the admin but not featured on the frontend)? > > 3. Content overhaul > > Last but not least, some piece of content are not that up-to-date. For instance, the main About page features old figures, and its general tone is that of 2006 while Ruby was not really mainstream yet. Things have changed since then, and we may want to outline different aspects, and/or give some more perspective about the evolution of the language and its current status. This holds true for several other pages. We could also insist on better describing the current ecosystem for ruby libraries, clarifying the whole rubygems.org/github.org stuff as of 2010. > --- /QUOTE > > > Few answers and few acts in return. John W. Long asked Shugo Maeda about a server upgrade preventing from upgrading Radiant to its latest version, but we had no more info on this point. No activity on https://github.com/rubyidentity/ruby-lang. > > But now people other than me got mad and start to scream it out: http://www.rubyinside.com/official-ruby-site-not-so-good-5248.html. We *need* to push things further: > > * Finding someone who know what's been done, and has the server key (or at least contact and info). Really, most of us lurking on this ml don't know each others! > * Upgrading Radiant. > * Get *rid of* unmaintained translations (I mean something along mv old_translation old_translation.hidden_but_cached_waiting_for_a_maintainer). > * Checking everybody's alive, deleting ghost accounts. > * Upgrading major content to reflect current state and practices (rubygems.org, github, and the like). > > Some people will propose themselves on the ml I guess, but not too fast, boy :) It's something easy enough yet it requires a bit of trust and dedication, so I'd recommend picking two or three guys from here at most, who we can trust for they've been maintaining their parts for quite some time now, and allow them to perform all the points on the list above. > > Please, answer this one and react :) > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Vit-core mailing list > Vit-core at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/vit-core > > _______________________________________________ > Vit-core mailing list > Vit-core at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/vit-core -- Florian Gilcher smtp: flo at andersground.net jabber: Skade at jabber.ccc.de gpg: 533148E2 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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For more details please reply. Mr. Fetch -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From christopher.ledet at gmail.com Wed Aug 3 14:24:27 2011 From: christopher.ledet at gmail.com (Chris Ledet) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 10:24:27 -0400 Subject: [Vit-core] Volunteer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for getting back to me. 1) *Top Ruby Projects*: http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/libraries/top-projects/ I think that we should incorporate Github in the site and use their Javascript API for the top project usage. A lot of projects are hosted and been migrated to Github, including Rails. We can also use Rubygems to grab the top downloaded/most active gems and display them in another section on the page. 2) *Mac OS X Downloads*: http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/downloads/ I would like to update the Mac OS X section text in favor of using RVM or Homebrew. On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Florian Gilcher wrote: > Hi, > > dump your ideas here, we will try out best to give you pointers on where to > start. > > Regards, > Florian > > On Aug 3, 2011, at 3:14 PM, shugo at ruby-lang.org wrote: > > Where would be the best place to volunteer to help maintain the > ruby-lang.org site. I have a few ideas which can improve the site. > > > -- Chris Ledet -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shugo at ruby-lang.org Wed Aug 3 15:03:48 2011 From: shugo at ruby-lang.org (shugo at ruby-lang.org) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 08:03:48 -0700 Subject: [Vit-core] ruby-lang access Message-ID: Howdy, I'd like to help with the content issues! mike From shugo at ruby-lang.org Wed Aug 3 15:11:57 2011 From: shugo at ruby-lang.org (shugo at ruby-lang.org) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 11:11:57 -0400 Subject: [Vit-core] Ruby Site Message-ID: To whom it may concern, As I've noticed the recent want to update the rubylang website, I figured I'd propose a possible upgrade to the design itself. I work for a company called Glide Interactive and we use Ruby here everyday (this work would not have any involvement from our Company, just the designer as something freelance). I believe I work with one of the most talented designers I have ever seen and he would love to see if he could help out on giving the Ruby site a new look. We have no intentions in changing content, we would want to keep all that exists. If it's possible to send you some possible design mocks for consideration of a new design, we would gladly like to get started doing that. We just want to know if it's worth the time attempting to propose a new design and to start the work ! If this is something that may be possible, please let me know. To see some of my designers work Eddie Lobanovskiy, please check out his dribble. If you would like any other links or information, feel free to contact me. http://dribbble.com/lobanovskiy Thanks, Adam Leonard -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shugo at ruby-lang.org Wed Aug 3 15:25:29 2011 From: shugo at ruby-lang.org (shugo at ruby-lang.org) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 11:25:29 -0400 Subject: [Vit-core] Web Site Content Help Message-ID: Hi, I'm a ruby/rails developer and I'm interested in helping the ruby-lang site in any way I can. Thanks, Mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shugo at ruby-lang.org Wed Aug 3 15:28:49 2011 From: shugo at ruby-lang.org (shugo at ruby-lang.org) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 08:28:49 -0700 Subject: [Vit-core] help with Ruby's site content Message-ID: Hello, My name is Owen and I am a Ruby programmer based on Vancouver, B.C. Canada. I have been in the Ruby community for about two years and I would like to contribute back to the community. I maintain a blog at http://owenou.com and my GitHub account is https://github.com/jingweno. Cheers, Owen From james at graysoftinc.com Wed Aug 3 15:31:39 2011 From: james at graysoftinc.com (James Gray) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 10:31:39 -0500 Subject: [Vit-core] What about a summer refresh? In-Reply-To: <4E3908BF.9090704@typhon.org> References: <4E3908BF.9090704@typhon.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 3:37 AM, jd wrote: > Hi everyone. I'm Jean-Denis, one of the fr. maintainer. Hello. > Please, answer this one and react :) Sorry. I would love to answer. I just don't know anything about the server. Some have suggested we might do better to toss the site in Jekyll and throw it on GitHub. Then we could just take pull requests. Perhaps that has value if keeping the server up to date is too much hassle. James Edward Gray II From shugo at ruby-lang.org Wed Aug 3 15:31:35 2011 From: shugo at ruby-lang.org (shugo at ruby-lang.org) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 12:31:35 -0300 Subject: [Vit-core] help with Ruby's site content Message-ID: Hey! I just read the tweet about this and I will be thankful to help you guys with the site and to spread the word :-) Greetings! Joe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james at graysoftinc.com Wed Aug 3 15:49:42 2011 From: james at graysoftinc.com (James Gray) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 10:49:42 -0500 Subject: [Vit-core] Updating Ruby's Site Message-ID: If you are receiving this message, it's because you asked how you can help update Ruby's site. The most important issue is definitely the aging content as discussed in Peter Cooper's blog post: http://www.rubyinside.com/official-ruby-site-not-so-good-5248.html I know a lot of people have ideas about how we can improve our process, our design, etc. While that's great, that's not our current problem. Please consider helping us to bring the content up-to-date. Then we will be happy to discuss other possible changes. If you want to help fix content: * Let me know which page you would like to update * I'll send you the code for the current version of that page (formats vary) * You can share your updates with us * As soon as people are good with it, I'll update the site * If you want to do more updates at that point, I'll just give you access to the site Please send all correspondence regarding these tasks to webmaster at ruby-lang.org. That let's everyone who works on the site, including me, see what is being done and provide feedback. Thanks for the interest in helping and please let me know if there's more I can do for you. James Edward Gray II From jd at typhon.org Wed Aug 3 15:50:05 2011 From: jd at typhon.org (jd) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 17:50:05 +0200 Subject: [Vit-core] What about a summer refresh? In-Reply-To: References: <4E3908BF.9090704@typhon.org> Message-ID: <4E396E2D.8060205@typhon.org> Le 03/08/2011 14:57, Curt Hibbs a ?crit : > It all sounds reasonable to me. The part I can handle is contacting > all of the translation teams. I'll get started on that sometime this week. Thank you :) What we need on this matter would be: * a list of all translators name/emails, by language * to know whether they're alive (updating at least their news feed) Some translations are plain dead. Maybe it's time to make a public request for volunteering for those languages? From jd at typhon.org Wed Aug 3 15:53:51 2011 From: jd at typhon.org (jd) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 17:53:51 +0200 Subject: [Vit-core] What about a summer refresh? In-Reply-To: <4E3908BF.9090704@typhon.org> References: <4E3908BF.9090704@typhon.org> Message-ID: <4E396F0F.4000308@typhon.org> I updated the content of en/download and en/libraries. I'll update the French translation as well. It reminds me of an issue I never stated here: it is really difficult to know who changed what and when, making translations synchronization even more difficult. But? here's http://ext.radiantcms.org/extensions/187-event-feed ! Obviously, it requires? a Radiant update. So you get my point :) From jd at typhon.org Wed Aug 3 15:59:50 2011 From: jd at typhon.org (jd) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 17:59:50 +0200 Subject: [Vit-core] What about a summer refresh? In-Reply-To: <4E3908BF.9090704@typhon.org> References: <4E3908BF.9090704@typhon.org> Message-ID: <4E397076.3010801@typhon.org> Another topic we must discuss: following the Peter's post on Ruby Inside, we're receiving several offers, some vague, some focused (design, content?). We should reply to all of them. Question #1 is: it is not clear (at least to me) Who is responsible for this on this mailing list. I know Curt Hibbs replies to newcomers willing to join a translation team. Question #2 is: what should we answer? We may *not* want to integrate everyone in the process, but it is also an opportunity to find new collaborators. My proposal would be to answer that we will publish a Special News, with details on "what" the VIT team need (new translators, and for which language; content proposals; etc.). It would allow us to plan things out a little, performing software updates? What do you think? From shugo at ruby-lang.org Wed Aug 3 16:00:36 2011 From: shugo at ruby-lang.org (shugo at ruby-lang.org) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 12:00:36 -0400 Subject: [Vit-core] Fwd: Volunteer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Chris Ledet Date: Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [Vit-core] Volunteer To: Florian Gilcher Cc: vit-core at rubyforge.org Thanks for getting back to me. 1) *Top Ruby Projects*: http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/libraries/top-projects/ I think that we should incorporate Github in the site and use their Javascript API for the top project usage. A lot of projects are hosted and been migrated to Github, including Rails. We can also use Rubygems to grab the top downloaded/most active gems and display them in another section on the page. 2) *Mac OS X Downloads*: http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/downloads/ I would like to update the Mac OS X section text in favor of using RVM or Homebrew. On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Florian Gilcher wrote: > Hi, > > dump your ideas here, we will try out best to give you pointers on where to > start. > > Regards, > Florian > > On Aug 3, 2011, at 3:14 PM, shugo at ruby-lang.org wrote: > > Where would be the best place to volunteer to help maintain the > ruby-lang.org site. I have a few ideas which can improve the site. > > > -- Chris Ledet -- Chris Ledet -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shugo at ruby-lang.org Wed Aug 3 16:03:26 2011 From: shugo at ruby-lang.org (shugo at ruby-lang.org) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 18:03:26 +0200 Subject: [Vit-core] Helping with ruby-lang Message-ID: <48F8437E-DB9A-43FC-87E1-D82C1B31758E@cubyx.fr> Hi there, I would like to participate in ruby-lang :) I can help in english and french versions. Keep me in touch. I come back home next week, with a good amount of time to to it ;) Cheers, -- Simon From james at graysoftinc.com Wed Aug 3 16:04:11 2011 From: james at graysoftinc.com (James Gray) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 11:04:11 -0500 Subject: [Vit-core] Updating Ruby's Site Message-ID: If you are receiving this message, it's because you asked how you can help update Ruby's site. The most important issue is definitely the aging content as discussed in Peter Cooper's blog post: http://www.rubyinside.com/official-ruby-site-not-so-good-5248.html I know a lot of people have ideas about how we can improve our process, our design, etc. While that's great, that's not our current problem. Please consider helping us to bring the content up-to-date. Then we will be happy to discuss other possible changes. If you want to help fix content: * Let me know which page you would like to update * I'll send you the code for the current version of that page (formats vary) * You can share your updates with us * As soon as people are good with it, I'll update the site * If you want to do more updates at that point, I'll just give you access to the site Please send all correspondence regarding these tasks to webmaster at ruby-lang.org. That let's everyone who works on the site, including me, see what is being done and provide feedback. Thanks for the interest in helping and please let me know if there's more I can do for you. James Edward Gray II From jd at typhon.org Wed Aug 3 16:30:09 2011 From: jd at typhon.org (jd) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 18:30:09 +0200 Subject: [Vit-core] Ruby Site In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E397791.70703@typhon.org> Le 03/08/2011 17:11, shugo at ruby-lang.org a ?crit : > To whom it may concern, > > "? stuff about redesign" Speaking of design, would you be favorable to redesigning ruby-lang.org, targetting at something lighter as several people suggested? http://www.jruby.org/ and http://rubyinstaller.org/ have been mentionned as examples of good, lean designs. Not throwing all the good work done, but refreshs spice things up a bit :) From jd at typhon.org Wed Aug 3 16:32:29 2011 From: jd at typhon.org (jd) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 18:32:29 +0200 Subject: [Vit-core] Updating Ruby's Site In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E39781D.9070109@typhon.org> Le 03/08/2011 18:04, James Gray a ?crit : > If you are receiving this message, it's because you asked how you can > help update Ruby's site. ? Thank you James! Some other people mailed us in the mean time, would you be so kind as to send them your answer too? From james at graysoftinc.com Wed Aug 3 16:34:10 2011 From: james at graysoftinc.com (James Gray) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 11:34:10 -0500 Subject: [Vit-core] Fwd: Volunteer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Chris: Here's the code for the pages you requested. James Edward Gray II On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 11:00 AM, wrote: > 1) Top Ruby Projects: http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/libraries/top-projects/ In HTML:

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> 2) Mac OS X Downloads: http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/downloads/ In Textile: Here you can get the latest Ruby distributions in your favorite flavor. *The current stable version is 1.9.2*. Please be sure to read "Ruby's License":http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/about/license.txt. h3. About implementations Before installing Ruby, one has to know about a specific yet important point. Ruby, _as a language_, is available under several implementations_. The first one (the oldest) is *MRI*, standing for _Matz's Ruby Implementation_. It is written in C and is the "official" implementation. The "latest stable version" refers to MRI. It is what you want _unless you know it is not_. MRI is available for download in the next section. There a few more implementations, though: * "JRuby":http://jruby.org is a "100% Pure-Java Implementation of the Ruby Programming Language". It runs on the JVM. * "Rubinius":http://rubini.us could be labelled as the "Ruby in Ruby" implementation. More accurately, "The Rubinius bytecode virtual machine is written in C++, incorporating LLVM to compile bytecode to machine code at runtime. The bytecode compiler and vast majority of the core classes are written in pure Ruby". * "MacRuby":http://www.macruby.org is an "implementation of Ruby 1.9 directly on top of Mac OS X core technologies". * "Cardinal":https://github.com/parrot/cardinal is a "Ruby compiler for "Parrot":http://parrot.org Virtual Machine" (Perl 6). * "IronRuby":http://www.ironruby.net is an implementation "tightly integrated with the .NET Framework". Some of those implementations, including MRI, follow the guidelines of "RubySpec":http://rubyspec.org, a "complete executable specification for the Ruby programming language". h3. Using RVM RVM stands for _Ruby Version Manager_. It is "a command line tool which allows us to easily install, manage and work with multiple ruby environments from interpreters to sets of gems." Although not officially supported, it has become one of the preferred way to install Ruby for newcomers. Installing a Ruby version is as simple as @rvm install 1.9.2 at . You may then use it, install another Ruby version and/or implementation, manage different gem sets to fit different applications you're hacking on, etc. For detailed instructions on all those points and more, see the "official documentation":https://rvm.beginrescueend.com. RVM is not available on Windows but a similar software exist on this platform: see below for details. Obviously, using RVM is not mandatory, and one may install Ruby either as a OS executable, package, or downloading its source code. The following sections give more details about those different options. h3. Compiling Ruby ? Source code Installing from the source code is a great solution for when you are comfortable enough with your platform and perhaps need specific settings for your environment. It's also a good solution in the event that there are no other premade packages for your platform. * "Ruby 1.9.2-p290":http://ftp.ruby-lang.org/pub/ruby/1.9/ruby-1.9.2-p290.tar.gz (md5: 604da71839a6ae02b5b5b5e1b792d5eb) Stable Version (_recommended_) * "Ruby 1.9.3 preview1":http://ftp.ruby-lang.org/pub/ruby/1.9/ruby-1.9.3-preview1.tar.gz (md5: 0f0220be4cc7c51a82c1bd8f6a0969f3) * "Stable Snapshot":http://ftp.ruby-lang.org/pub/ruby/ruby-1.9-stable.tar.gz This is tar'ed and gzip'ed file of the latest stable SVN. It should be better than the last stable release. * "Nightly Snapshot":http://ftp.ruby-lang.org/pub/ruby/snapshot.tar.gz This is tar'ed and gzip'ed file of the latest SVN. It may contain unfixed problems. For information about the Ruby Subversion and Git repositories, see our "Ruby Core":/en/community/ruby-core/ page. h3. Ruby on Windows The Windows platform has several options to install Ruby. The first option is to use the "RubyInstaller":http://rubyinstaller.org, an installer that contains compiled binaries. The second option is usage of packaged executables and binaries. If you're unsure about how to install Ruby, the first option might be the best for you. Please also investigate the use of "pik":http://github.com/vertiginous/pik which eases the process of installing and maintaining concurrent versions of both ruby and gems on Windows (that is, a clone of RVM for Windows). h3. Ruby On Linux Depending on the distribution you are using, there are several ways to install Ruby. The first option is simply to download the source code above and compile by hand. However, on some platforms, there are package management solutions that make installing Ruby extremely easy. There is also @rvm@, the "Ruby Version Manager":http://rvm.beginrescueend.com, which eases the process of installing and maintaining concurrent versions of both ruby and gems. This software may become the default installation choice for newcomers as it is quite straightforward to use. If however you would like to stick to your distribution package system, read on. For example, on Debian or Ubuntu @apt-get@ provides an easy and elegant solution: % sudo apt-get install ruby1.9.1-full The above command installs the current stable version of Ruby 1.9.1. If you prefer to install a Ruby 1.8 version, you can use: % sudo apt-get install ruby-full For irb and rdoc, you will need to enable the universe repository. h3. Ruby On OS X Ruby 1.8.6 is fully supported in Mac OS X Leopard including Ruby on Rails, Mongrel, Capistrano, and many other popular Ruby gems (packages). For details, see the "Ruby wiki at MacOS Forge":http://trac.macosforge.org/projects/ruby/wiki. Mac OS X Tiger is packaged with version 1.8.2 of Ruby, but, for those who haven't upgraded to Leopard, there are a number of options for installing the latest version of Ruby. "Locomotive":http://locomotive.raaum.org/ is a nice choice if you are looking for something to get you up and running quickly for Rails development. Using "MacPorts":http://www.macports.org/ or "Fink":http://fink.sourceforge.net/ might be a little nicer for the more technically savvy. On MacPorts, you can install Ruby with... % sudo port install ruby Fink has a graphical interface (using Fink Commander) for installing Ruby. Also, since OS X is based on Unix, downloading and installing from the source is just as easy and effective as the other solutions. For a detailed look at installing Ruby (and Rails), Dan Benjamin's excellent articles "for Tiger":http://hivelogic.com/articles/ruby-rails-mongrel-mysql-osx, "for Leopard":http://hivelogic.com/articles/ruby-rails-leopard, and "for Snow Leopard":http://hivelogic.com/articles/compiling-ruby-rubygems-and-rails-on-snow-leopard/ will get you up and running very quickly. h3. Ruby On Solaris and OpenSolaris Ruby 1.8.7 are available for Solaris 8 through Solaris 10 on "Sunfreeware":http://www.sunfreeware.com and Ruby 1.8.7 is available at "Blastwave":http://www.blastwave.org. Ruby 1.9.2p0 is also available at "Sunfreeware":http://www.sunfreeware.com now. An optimized Ruby on Rails stack for Solaris 10 is available as "Coolstack":http://cooltools.sunsource.net/coolstack from Sun's Cooltools project. To install Ruby on "OpenSolaris":http://www.opensolaris.org, please use the "Image Packaging System, or IPS":http://opensolaris.org/os/project/pkg/ client. This will install the latest Ruby binaries and Rubygems directly from the OpenSolaris network repository. It's easy: % pfexec pkg install SUNWruby18 This will install Ruby, Rubygems, common extensions and their supporting libraries. This package also contains DTrace support and performance optimizations. The locations of various artifacts are described in the "Ruby OpenSolaris ARC Case":http://jp.opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/caselog/2007/600/. The other OpenSolaris distribution, called the "Solaris Express Community Edition or SXCE":http://opensolaris.org/os/downloads comes with Ruby preinstalled. The version, location etc., are the same as with the vanilla OpenSolaris distribution, and are documented in the above mentioned ARC case. To install SVR4 packages manually, please visit the "RubyOpenSolaris project @ Rubyforge":http://rubyforge.org/projects/rubyopensolaris. From blaumag at gmail.com Wed Aug 3 16:37:09 2011 From: blaumag at gmail.com (Michel Martens) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 13:37:09 -0300 Subject: [Vit-core] What about a summer refresh? In-Reply-To: References: <4E3908BF.9090704@typhon.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 12:31 PM, James Gray wrote: > Some have suggested we might do better to toss the site in Jekyll and > throw it on GitHub. ?Then we could just take pull requests. ?Perhaps > that has value if keeping the server up to date is too much hassle. I think moving in that direction makes a lot of sense now. From james at graysoftinc.com Wed Aug 3 16:38:18 2011 From: james at graysoftinc.com (James Gray) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 11:38:18 -0500 Subject: [Vit-core] Helping with ruby-lang In-Reply-To: <48F8437E-DB9A-43FC-87E1-D82C1B31758E@cubyx.fr> References: <48F8437E-DB9A-43FC-87E1-D82C1B31758E@cubyx.fr> Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 11:03 AM, wrote: > Hi there, > > I would like to participate in ruby-lang :) > I can help in english and french versions. > > Keep me in touch. I come back home next week, with a good amount of time to to it ;) The most important issue is definitely the aging content as discussed in Peter Cooper's blog post: http://www.rubyinside.com/official-ruby-site-not-so-good-5248.html I know a lot of people have ideas about how we can improve our process, our design, etc. While that's great, that's not our current problem. Please consider helping us to bring the content up-to-date. Then we will be happy to discuss other possible changes. If you want to help fix content: * Let me know which page you would like to update * I'll send you the code for the current version of that page (formats vary) * You can share your updates with us * As soon as people are good with it, I'll update the site * If you want to do more updates at that point, I'll just give you access to the site Please send all correspondence regarding these tasks to webmaster at ruby-lang.org. That let's everyone who works on the site, including me, see what is being done and provide feedback. Thanks for the interest in helping and please let me know if there's more I can do for you. James Edward Gray II From jd at typhon.org Wed Aug 3 16:45:38 2011 From: jd at typhon.org (jd) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 18:45:38 +0200 Subject: [Vit-core] Radiant update Message-ID: <4E397B32.3000500@typhon.org> I create a specific thread for discussing this particular topic. ruby-lang.org runs on Radiant 0.5.2. I propose upgrading to the latest stable version, which is 0.9.0 (http://radiantcms.org/download/). First, we need to know whether we agree or not :) To support my proposal, I'd say upgrading is always a good idea (security, stability) and would give us access to nice extensions, such as the eventfeed one. It may require some effort but I think it would be worth it. If we do agree an upgrade is fine, then one has to decide how to upgrade. Most of us (subscribers of the vit-core ml) do not know where's the server nor who is in charge. I guess we should deploy a new instance of Radiant, import content and make sure everything's run fine. Who can handle the first steps (have server access, can setup a new instance and configure a vhost for something like update.ruby-lang.org)? Any other idea? From shugo at ruby-lang.org Wed Aug 3 16:50:51 2011 From: shugo at ruby-lang.org (shugo at ruby-lang.org) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 12:50:51 -0400 Subject: [Vit-core] ruby-lang updations Message-ID: Hey Everybody, I have read James post on the rubyinside.com and I feel as a rubyist I will have to do my part for the betterment of the website. I would like to offer my help in any work that can be put into to make the website better. Please let me know where to start off. -- Thank you kranthi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james at graysoftinc.com Wed Aug 3 16:52:25 2011 From: james at graysoftinc.com (James Gray) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 11:52:25 -0500 Subject: [Vit-core] What about a summer refresh? In-Reply-To: <4E397076.3010801@typhon.org> References: <4E3908BF.9090704@typhon.org> <4E397076.3010801@typhon.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 10:59 AM, jd wrote: > Another topic we must discuss: following the Peter's post on Ruby Inside, > we're receiving several offers, some vague, some focused (design, content?). > We should reply to all of them. > > Question #1 is: it is not clear (at least to me) Who is responsible for this > on this mailing list. I know Curt Hibbs replies to newcomers willing to join > a translation team. > Question #2 is: what should we answer? We may *not* want to integrate > everyone in the process, but it is also an opportunity to find new > collaborators. My proposal would be to answer that we will publish a Special > News, with details on "what" the VIT team need (new translators, and for > which language; content proposals; etc.). It would allow us to plan things > out a little, performing software updates? > > What do you think? I believe I have replied to everyone at this point. I copied this list with the emails. For now, I'm recommending we fix the immediate content problems, then discuss future directions. I'm getting some push back though that the process is broken enough that they don't want to help. I can see the point in that. James Edward Gray II From curt.hibbs at gmail.com Wed Aug 3 17:12:01 2011 From: curt.hibbs at gmail.com (Curt Hibbs) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 12:12:01 -0500 Subject: [Vit-core] What about a summer refresh? In-Reply-To: References: <4E3908BF.9090704@typhon.org> Message-ID: I really need to pass off the handling of the translation teams to someone. I'm not actively involved with Ruby any more, but I have kept this role as a courtesy to the community. This is probably a good time to pass this on to someone who keeps up with what is going on in the Ruby community. Anyone interested (its actually a very small about of work - less than an hour a month). Anyone interested? On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Michel Martens wrote: > On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 12:31 PM, James Gray wrote: > > Some have suggested we might do better to toss the site in Jekyll and > > throw it on GitHub. Then we could just take pull requests. Perhaps > > that has value if keeping the server up to date is too much hassle. > > I think moving in that direction makes a lot of sense now. > _______________________________________________ > Vit-core mailing list > Vit-core at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/vit-core > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shugo at ruby-lang.org Wed Aug 3 17:13:29 2011 From: shugo at ruby-lang.org (shugo at ruby-lang.org) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 10:13:29 -0700 Subject: [Vit-core] Updating Ruby's Site In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004DAA1B-EA92-4806-B34D-7E1D2B4C6B92@gmail.com> Hi James, I am interested in helping out with the "Top Ruby Project" section and the "Library page". After a quick look at rubygems.org's API (http://guides.rubygems.org/rubygems-org-api), it doesn't seem to a direct API to get a list of the most downloaded gems. We may further discuss how we are able to do this if it turns out I will be helping out with that part. Cheers, Owen On 2011-08-03, at 9:04 AM, James Gray wrote: > If you are receiving this message, it's because you asked how you can > help update Ruby's site. > > The most important issue is definitely the aging content as discussed > in Peter Cooper's blog post: > > http://www.rubyinside.com/official-ruby-site-not-so-good-5248.html > > I know a lot of people have ideas about how we can improve our > process, our design, etc. While that's great, that's not our current > problem. Please consider helping us to bring the content up-to-date. > Then we will be happy to discuss other possible changes. > > If you want to help fix content: > > * Let me know which page you would like to update > * I'll send you the code for the current version of that page (formats vary) > * You can share your updates with us > * As soon as people are good with it, I'll update the site > * If you want to do more updates at that point, I'll just give you > access to the site > > Please send all correspondence regarding these tasks to > webmaster at ruby-lang.org. That let's everyone who works on the site, > including me, see what is being done and provide feedback. > > Thanks for the interest in helping and please let me know if there's > more I can do for you. > > James Edward Gray II From shugo at ruby-lang.org Wed Aug 3 17:09:51 2011 From: shugo at ruby-lang.org (shugo at ruby-lang.org) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 13:09:51 -0400 Subject: [Vit-core] Ruby website Message-ID: Hello, I am interested in helping out with the Ruby website. I'll probably be updating technical info like version numbers and how to install things. I would appreciate it if you could add me to the contributors, if it's possible. I might also help out with the design. Thanks, Humza -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From revurikarna at gmail.com Wed Aug 3 17:23:21 2011 From: revurikarna at gmail.com (revuri karunakar) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 22:53:21 +0530 Subject: [Vit-core] Updating Ruby's Site In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for quick updates from you. Will list the pages which we are going to update the conent in http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/. We are a group of people submitted already more than 200 patches to rails. We are going to email the pages list and with more updates. Thanks Again for quick reply, -Karunakar On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 9:19 PM, James Gray wrote: > If you are receiving this message, it's because you asked how you can > help update Ruby's site. > > The most important issue is definitely the aging content as discussed > in Peter Cooper's blog post: > > http://www.rubyinside.com/official-ruby-site-not-so-good-5248.html > > I know a lot of people have ideas about how we can improve our > process, our design, etc. While that's great, that's not our current > problem. Please consider helping us to bring the content up-to-date. > Then we will be happy to discuss other possible changes. > > If you want to help fix content: > > * Let me know which page you would like to update > * I'll send you the code for the current version of that page (formats > vary) > * You can share your updates with us > * As soon as people are good with it, I'll update the site > * If you want to do more updates at that point, I'll just give you > access to the site > > Please send all correspondence regarding these tasks to > webmaster at ruby-lang.org. That let's everyone who works on the site, > including me, see what is being done and provide feedback. > > Thanks for the interest in helping and please let me know if there's > more I can do for you. > > James Edward Gray II > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From blaumag at gmail.com Wed Aug 3 17:46:35 2011 From: blaumag at gmail.com (Michel Martens) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 14:46:35 -0300 Subject: [Vit-core] Radiant update In-Reply-To: <4E397B32.3000500@typhon.org> References: <4E397B32.3000500@typhon.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 1:45 PM, jd wrote: > Any other idea? The other idea would be to move to a git based workflow, which will probably make collaboration easier. If we decide to stick to Radiant, then upgrading is the way to go. From jd at typhon.org Wed Aug 3 17:53:13 2011 From: jd at typhon.org (jd) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 19:53:13 +0200 Subject: [Vit-core] What about a summer refresh? In-Reply-To: References: <4E3908BF.9090704@typhon.org> <4E397076.3010801@typhon.org> Message-ID: <4E398B09.3010005@typhon.org> Le 03/08/2011 18:52, James Gray a ?crit : > I believe I have replied to everyone at this point. I copied this > list with the emails. > > For now, I'm recommending we fix the immediate content problems, then > discuss future directions. I'm getting some push back though that the > process is broken enough that they don't want to help. I can see the > point in that. There is this alternative to Radiant: https://github.com/postmodern/www.ruby-lang.org A Jekyll-based "fork". I also know Octopress which provides a CLI and deploy tasks on top of Jekyll. This approach is quite interesting too. I'm pushing for a Radiant upgrade because it would not require too much process changes, but maybe it's time for a change, actually? What do you think everyone? From james at graysoftinc.com Wed Aug 3 18:09:56 2011 From: james at graysoftinc.com (James Gray) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 13:09:56 -0500 Subject: [Vit-core] Radiant update In-Reply-To: <4E397B32.3000500@typhon.org> References: <4E397B32.3000500@typhon.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 11:45 AM, jd wrote: > First, we need to know whether we agree or not :) So far, I haven't heard a single person disagree. I too am for it. James Edward Gray II From james at graysoftinc.com Wed Aug 3 18:15:16 2011 From: james at graysoftinc.com (James Gray) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 13:15:16 -0500 Subject: [Vit-core] What about a summer refresh? In-Reply-To: <4E398B09.3010005@typhon.org> References: <4E3908BF.9090704@typhon.org> <4E397076.3010801@typhon.org> <4E398B09.3010005@typhon.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 12:53 PM, jd wrote: > Le 03/08/2011 18:52, James Gray a ?crit : > What do you think everyone? I do think getting the content of the site on GitHub would be a massive win. That's what everyone is telling me they want. Then it's almost impossible to be bitten by blog posts like Peter's. We can say, "Submit a pull request." The Jekyll option seems promising for that. If we're going that far though, I am for redoing the site to drop all the hard to maintain content: library and book lists and the like. James Edward Gray II From james at graysoftinc.com Wed Aug 3 18:18:25 2011 From: james at graysoftinc.com (James Gray) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 13:18:25 -0500 Subject: [Vit-core] Ruby Site In-Reply-To: <4E397791.70703@typhon.org> References: <4E397791.70703@typhon.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 11:30 AM, jd wrote: > Le 03/08/2011 17:11, shugo at ruby-lang.org a ?crit : >> >> To whom it may concern, >> >> "? stuff about redesign" > > Speaking of design, would you be favorable to redesigning ruby-lang.org, > targetting at something lighter as several people suggested? > http://www.jruby.org/ and http://rubyinstaller.org/ have been mentionned as > examples of good, lean designs. Yes. I'm fine with our current design, but I would favor all effort to remove content that becomes stale over time. James Edward Gray II From james at graysoftinc.com Wed Aug 3 18:23:35 2011 From: james at graysoftinc.com (James Gray) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 13:23:35 -0500 Subject: [Vit-core] Updating Ruby's Site Message-ID: If you are receiving this message, it's because you asked how you can help update Ruby's site. The most important issue is definitely the aging content as discussed in Peter Cooper's blog post: http://www.rubyinside.com/official-ruby-site-not-so-good-5248.html I know a lot of people have ideas about how we can improve our process, our design, etc. While that's great, that's not our current problem. Please consider helping us to bring the content up-to-date. Then we will be happy to discuss other possible changes. If you want to help fix content: * Let me know which page you would like to update * I'll send you the code for the current version of that page (formats vary) * You can share your updates with us * As soon as people are good with it, I'll update the site * If you want to do more updates at that point, I'll just give you access to the site Please send all correspondence regarding these tasks to webmaster at ruby-lang.org. That let's everyone who works on the site, including me, see what is being done and provide feedback. Thanks for the interest in helping and please let me know if there's more I can do for you. James Edward Gray II From james at graysoftinc.com Wed Aug 3 18:27:52 2011 From: james at graysoftinc.com (James Gray) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 13:27:52 -0500 Subject: [Vit-core] Updating Ruby's Site In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Mark Gustetic wrote: > I read the article and it looks like a lot of the things listed are already > being addressed and fixed. ?Is there any specifically that still needs work > on or anything that is in dire need of fixing? I think there are always things to be done. :) Personally, I think the Downloads pages could still get a lot better. We need to get RVM in there, Homebrew would be nice, maybe Pik for Windows, etc. Here's the code for that page (in Textile), if your interested: Here you can get the latest Ruby distributions in your favorite flavor. *The current stable version is 1.9.2*. Please be sure to read "Ruby's License":http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/about/license.txt. h3. About implementations Before installing Ruby, one has to know about a specific yet important point. Ruby, _as a language_, is available under several implementations_. The first one (the oldest) is *MRI*, standing for _Matz's Ruby Implementation_. It is written in C and is the "official" implementation. The "latest stable version" refers to MRI. It is what you want _unless you know it is not_. MRI is available for download in the next section. There a few more implementations, though: * "JRuby":http://jruby.org is a "100% Pure-Java Implementation of the Ruby Programming Language". It runs on the JVM. * "Rubinius":http://rubini.us could be labelled as the "Ruby in Ruby" implementation. More accurately, "The Rubinius bytecode virtual machine is written in C++, incorporating LLVM to compile bytecode to machine code at runtime. The bytecode compiler and vast majority of the core classes are written in pure Ruby". * "MacRuby":http://www.macruby.org is an "implementation of Ruby 1.9 directly on top of Mac OS X core technologies". * "Cardinal":https://github.com/parrot/cardinal is a "Ruby compiler for "Parrot":http://parrot.org Virtual Machine" (Perl 6). * "IronRuby":http://www.ironruby.net is an implementation "tightly integrated with the .NET Framework". Some of those implementations, including MRI, follow the guidelines of "RubySpec":http://rubyspec.org, a "complete executable specification for the Ruby programming language". h3. Using RVM RVM stands for _Ruby Version Manager_. It is "a command line tool which allows us to easily install, manage and work with multiple ruby environments from interpreters to sets of gems." Although not officially supported, it has become one of the preferred way to install Ruby for newcomers. Installing a Ruby version is as simple as @rvm install 1.9.2 at . You may then use it, install another Ruby version and/or implementation, manage different gem sets to fit different applications you're hacking on, etc. For detailed instructions on all those points and more, see the "official documentation":https://rvm.beginrescueend.com. RVM is not available on Windows but a similar software exist on this platform: see below for details. Obviously, using RVM is not mandatory, and one may install Ruby either as a OS executable, package, or downloading its source code. The following sections give more details about those different options. h3. Compiling Ruby ? Source code Installing from the source code is a great solution for when you are comfortable enough with your platform and perhaps need specific settings for your environment. It's also a good solution in the event that there are no other premade packages for your platform. * "Ruby 1.9.2-p290":http://ftp.ruby-lang.org/pub/ruby/1.9/ruby-1.9.2-p290.tar.gz (md5: 604da71839a6ae02b5b5b5e1b792d5eb) Stable Version (_recommended_) * "Ruby 1.9.3 preview1":http://ftp.ruby-lang.org/pub/ruby/1.9/ruby-1.9.3-preview1.tar.gz (md5: 0f0220be4cc7c51a82c1bd8f6a0969f3) * "Stable Snapshot":http://ftp.ruby-lang.org/pub/ruby/ruby-1.9-stable.tar.gz This is tar'ed and gzip'ed file of the latest stable SVN. It should be better than the last stable release. * "Nightly Snapshot":http://ftp.ruby-lang.org/pub/ruby/snapshot.tar.gz This is tar'ed and gzip'ed file of the latest SVN. It may contain unfixed problems. For information about the Ruby Subversion and Git repositories, see our "Ruby Core":/en/community/ruby-core/ page. h3. Ruby on Windows The Windows platform has several options to install Ruby. The first option is to use the "RubyInstaller":http://rubyinstaller.org, an installer that contains compiled binaries. The second option is usage of packaged executables and binaries. If you're unsure about how to install Ruby, the first option might be the best for you. Please also investigate the use of "pik":http://github.com/vertiginous/pik which eases the process of installing and maintaining concurrent versions of both ruby and gems on Windows (that is, a clone of RVM for Windows). h3. Ruby On Linux Depending on the distribution you are using, there are several ways to install Ruby. The first option is simply to download the source code above and compile by hand. However, on some platforms, there are package management solutions that make installing Ruby extremely easy. There is also @rvm@, the "Ruby Version Manager":http://rvm.beginrescueend.com, which eases the process of installing and maintaining concurrent versions of both ruby and gems. This software may become the default installation choice for newcomers as it is quite straightforward to use. If however you would like to stick to your distribution package system, read on. For example, on Debian or Ubuntu @apt-get@ provides an easy and elegant solution: % sudo apt-get install ruby1.9.1-full The above command installs the current stable version of Ruby 1.9.1. If you prefer to install a Ruby 1.8 version, you can use: % sudo apt-get install ruby-full For irb and rdoc, you will need to enable the universe repository. h3. Ruby On OS X Ruby 1.8.6 is fully supported in Mac OS X Leopard including Ruby on Rails, Mongrel, Capistrano, and many other popular Ruby gems (packages). For details, see the "Ruby wiki at MacOS Forge":http://trac.macosforge.org/projects/ruby/wiki. Mac OS X Tiger is packaged with version 1.8.2 of Ruby, but, for those who haven't upgraded to Leopard, there are a number of options for installing the latest version of Ruby. "Locomotive":http://locomotive.raaum.org/ is a nice choice if you are looking for something to get you up and running quickly for Rails development. Using "MacPorts":http://www.macports.org/ or "Fink":http://fink.sourceforge.net/ might be a little nicer for the more technically savvy. On MacPorts, you can install Ruby with... % sudo port install ruby Fink has a graphical interface (using Fink Commander) for installing Ruby. Also, since OS X is based on Unix, downloading and installing from the source is just as easy and effective as the other solutions. For a detailed look at installing Ruby (and Rails), Dan Benjamin's excellent articles "for Tiger":http://hivelogic.com/articles/ruby-rails-mongrel-mysql-osx, "for Leopard":http://hivelogic.com/articles/ruby-rails-leopard, and "for Snow Leopard":http://hivelogic.com/articles/compiling-ruby-rubygems-and-rails-on-snow-leopard/ will get you up and running very quickly. h3. Ruby On Solaris and OpenSolaris Ruby 1.8.7 are available for Solaris 8 through Solaris 10 on "Sunfreeware":http://www.sunfreeware.com and Ruby 1.8.7 is available at "Blastwave":http://www.blastwave.org. Ruby 1.9.2p0 is also available at "Sunfreeware":http://www.sunfreeware.com now. An optimized Ruby on Rails stack for Solaris 10 is available as "Coolstack":http://cooltools.sunsource.net/coolstack from Sun's Cooltools project. To install Ruby on "OpenSolaris":http://www.opensolaris.org, please use the "Image Packaging System, or IPS":http://opensolaris.org/os/project/pkg/ client. This will install the latest Ruby binaries and Rubygems directly from the OpenSolaris network repository. It's easy: % pfexec pkg install SUNWruby18 This will install Ruby, Rubygems, common extensions and their supporting libraries. This package also contains DTrace support and performance optimizations. The locations of various artifacts are described in the "Ruby OpenSolaris ARC Case":http://jp.opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/caselog/2007/600/. The other OpenSolaris distribution, called the "Solaris Express Community Edition or SXCE":http://opensolaris.org/os/downloads comes with Ruby preinstalled. The version, location etc., are the same as with the vanilla OpenSolaris distribution, and are documented in the above mentioned ARC case. To install SVR4 packages manually, please visit the "RubyOpenSolaris project @ Rubyforge":http://rubyforge.org/projects/rubyopensolaris. James Edward Gray II From jd at typhon.org Wed Aug 3 18:30:47 2011 From: jd at typhon.org (jd) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 20:30:47 +0200 Subject: [Vit-core] Ruby Site In-Reply-To: References: <4E397791.70703@typhon.org> Message-ID: <4E3993D7.40601@typhon.org> Le 03/08/2011 20:18, James Gray a ?crit : > On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 11:30 AM, jd wrote: >> Le 03/08/2011 17:11, shugo at ruby-lang.org a ?crit : >>> To whom it may concern, >>> >>> "? stuff about redesign" >> Speaking of design, would you be favorable to redesigning ruby-lang.org, >> targetting at something lighter as several people suggested? >> http://www.jruby.org/ and http://rubyinstaller.org/ have been mentionned as >> examples of good, lean designs. > Yes. I'm fine with our current design, but I would favor all effort > to remove content that becomes stale over time. I'm fine with it too, despite a few kinks. The rigid layout (in width) is sometimes painful, with long text lines spanning over the sidebar: we could make it a bit wider or even better, liquid (margin: 0 auto; and a % width?). Default text size is a bit small. The horizontal main menu, being horizontal, is too much constrained. I'm not against a complete redesign though, if some people come with beautiful proposals. From james at graysoftinc.com Wed Aug 3 18:32:50 2011 From: james at graysoftinc.com (James Gray) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 13:32:50 -0500 Subject: [Vit-core] Updating Ruby's Site In-Reply-To: <4E39781D.9070109@typhon.org> References: <4E39781D.9070109@typhon.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 11:32 AM, jd wrote: > Le 03/08/2011 18:04, James Gray a ?crit : >> >> If you are receiving this message, it's because you asked how you can >> help update Ruby's site. ? > > Thank you James! Some other people mailed us in the mean time, would you be > so kind as to send them your answer too? I think I'm caught up on keeping everyone mailed. James Edward Gray II From shugo at ruby-lang.org Wed Aug 3 19:02:22 2011 From: shugo at ruby-lang.org (shugo at ruby-lang.org) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 12:02:22 -0700 Subject: [Vit-core] Site Help Message-ID: <29FD0963-C53C-4381-9225-AC7D9B90753B@gmail.com> Hey guys, Since the recent talks about improving the site, a call went out asking if others are willing to help with site content. I'd love to help - anyway I can From jd at typhon.org Wed Aug 3 19:34:22 2011 From: jd at typhon.org (jd) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 21:34:22 +0200 Subject: [Vit-core] What about a summer refresh? In-Reply-To: References: <4E3908BF.9090704@typhon.org> <4E397076.3010801@typhon.org> <4E398B09.3010005@typhon.org> Message-ID: <4E39A2BE.6050506@typhon.org> Le 03/08/2011 20:15, James Gray a ?crit : > On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 12:53 PM, jd wrote: >> Le 03/08/2011 18:52, James Gray a ?crit : >> What do you think everyone? > I do think getting the content of the site on GitHub would be a > massive win. That's what everyone is telling me they want. Then it's > almost impossible to be bitten by blog posts like Peter's. We can > say, "Submit a pull request." > > The Jekyll option seems promising for that. > > If we're going that far though, I am for redoing the site to drop all > the hard to maintain content: library and book lists and the like. I also find this solution to be very appealing :) Our main challenges are: * keeping content up-to-date * synchronizing translations (and ease their maintenance) A git-based approach may benefit two both. As you pointed out, issues may occur when it comes to dynamic content, such as libs and books lists, but are they mandatory? I'd propose dropping them altogether for we probably cannot sync with the real datas (and if we *do* want them, we could script a little to consume APIs). All in all, it should provides us with much more contributors. Along Jekyll, there is Octopress (http://www.octopress.org) I talked about earlier. It's a bunch of Rake tasks (I wrote a Thor version too) to manage a Jekyll instance (creating new posts and pages, deploying?). This could be used as well. Or we can script our own tools. Or we can do nothing about it :) Anyway, interesting idea. I'd like more feedbacks on this, especially from the people who worked at the Radiant version. I don't feel like I am the one who can make decision here! From blaumag at gmail.com Wed Aug 3 19:36:32 2011 From: blaumag at gmail.com (Michel Martens) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 16:36:32 -0300 Subject: [Vit-core] What about a summer refresh? In-Reply-To: References: <4E3908BF.9090704@typhon.org> <4E397076.3010801@typhon.org> <4E398B09.3010005@typhon.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 3:15 PM, James Gray wrote: > > I do think getting the content of the site on GitHub would be a > massive win. ?That's what everyone is telling me they want. ?Then it's > almost impossible to be bitten by blog posts like Peter's. ?We can > say, "Submit a pull request." Agreed, although we may never be safe from harsh comments like Peter's. We have been very open so far, and that's how we grew to 118 collaborators. Some groups of editors are working well, for example the German and the Spanish versions are updated often from what I could learn. > The Jekyll option seems promising for that. > > If we're going that far though, I am for redoing the site to drop all > the hard to maintain content: ?library and book lists and the like. Agreed. In the Spanish version, we link to RubyGems.org and GitHub instead, and there's no list of top Ruby projects (http://www.ruby-lang.org/es/libraries/). From james at graysoftinc.com Wed Aug 3 19:37:26 2011 From: james at graysoftinc.com (James Gray) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 14:37:26 -0500 Subject: [Vit-core] Site Help In-Reply-To: <29FD0963-C53C-4381-9225-AC7D9B90753B@gmail.com> References: <29FD0963-C53C-4381-9225-AC7D9B90753B@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 2:02 PM, wrote: > Since the recent talks about improving the site, a call went out asking if others are willing to help with site content. I'd love to help - anyway I can Glad to hear it. The most important issue is definitely the aging content as discussed in Peter Cooper's blog post: http://www.rubyinside.com/official-ruby-site-not-so-good-5248.html I know a lot of people have ideas about how we can improve our process, our design, etc. While that's great, that's not our current problem. Please consider helping us to bring the content up-to-date. Then we will be happy to discuss other possible changes. If you want to help fix content: * Let me know which page you would like to update * I'll send you the code for the current version of that page (formats vary) * You can share your updates with us * As soon as people are good with it, I'll update the site * If you want to do more updates at that point, I'll just give you access to the site Please send all correspondence regarding these tasks to webmaster at ruby-lang.org. That let's everyone who works on the site, including me, see what is being done and provide feedback. Thanks for the interest in helping and please let me know if there's more I can do for you. James Edward Gray II From blaumag at gmail.com Wed Aug 3 19:50:20 2011 From: blaumag at gmail.com (Michel Martens) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 16:50:20 -0300 Subject: [Vit-core] What about a summer refresh? In-Reply-To: <4E39A2BE.6050506@typhon.org> References: <4E3908BF.9090704@typhon.org> <4E397076.3010801@typhon.org> <4E398B09.3010005@typhon.org> <4E39A2BE.6050506@typhon.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 4:34 PM, jd wrote: > A git-based approach may benefit two both. As you pointed out, issues may > occur when it comes to dynamic content, such as libs and books lists, but > are they mandatory? I'd propose dropping them altogether for we probably > cannot sync with the real datas (and if we *do* want them, we could script a > little to consume APIs). All in all, it should provides us with much more > contributors. The last similar project I did was the Redis website, which is a very simple Cuba based site with a bunch of markdown files. Site: http://redis.io/ Code: https://github.com/antirez/redis-io From james at graysoftinc.com Wed Aug 3 20:03:50 2011 From: james at graysoftinc.com (James Gray) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 15:03:50 -0500 Subject: [Vit-core] What about a summer refresh? In-Reply-To: <4E39A2BE.6050506@typhon.org> References: <4E3908BF.9090704@typhon.org> <4E397076.3010801@typhon.org> <4E398B09.3010005@typhon.org> <4E39A2BE.6050506@typhon.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 2:34 PM, jd wrote: > Anyway, interesting idea. I'd like more feedbacks on this, especially from > the people who worked at the Radiant version. I don't feel like I am the one > who can make decision here! I think the difficulty in keeping Radiant updated speaks for itself. James Edward Gray II From shugo at ruby-lang.org Wed Aug 3 21:55:05 2011 From: shugo at ruby-lang.org (shugo at ruby-lang.org) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 16:55:05 -0500 Subject: [Vit-core] Help with the Website Message-ID: Hello, We'd like to help out here and we're wondering if there's a list here of help you guys particurlaly wanted or needed that we can pitch in to do. Thanks, Terence From james at graysoftinc.com Wed Aug 3 22:04:18 2011 From: james at graysoftinc.com (James Gray) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 17:04:18 -0500 Subject: [Vit-core] Help with the Website In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 4:55 PM, wrote: > We'd like to help out here and we're wondering if there's a list here > of help you guys particurlaly wanted or needed that we can pitch in to > do. The most important issue is definitely the aging content as discussed in Peter Cooper's blog post: http://www.rubyinside.com/official-ruby-site-not-so-good-5248.html I know a lot of people have ideas about how we can improve our process, our design, etc. While that's great, that's not our current problem. Please consider helping us to bring the content up-to-date. Then we will be happy to discuss other possible changes. If you want to help fix content: * Let me know which page you would like to update * I'll send you the code for the current version of that page (formats vary) * You can share your updates with us * As soon as people are good with it, I'll update the site * If you want to do more updates at that point, I'll just give you access to the site Please send all correspondence regarding these tasks to webmaster at ruby-lang.org. That let's everyone who works on the site, including me, see what is being done and provide feedback. Thanks for the interest in helping and please let me know if there's more I can do for you. James Edward Gray II From shugo at ruby-lang.org Wed Aug 3 22:12:02 2011 From: shugo at ruby-lang.org (shugo at ruby-lang.org) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 23:12:02 +0100 Subject: [Vit-core] Volunteer Message-ID: Hello, Do you still need people to help maintain the site? I'd be happy to volunteer! I have at least a few hours per week I could spare, perhaps more if they're any good to you? Thank you, Dave Kerr -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james at graysoftinc.com Wed Aug 3 22:34:35 2011 From: james at graysoftinc.com (James Gray) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 17:34:35 -0500 Subject: [Vit-core] Volunteer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 5:12 PM, wrote: > Do you still need people to help maintain the site? I'd be happy to > volunteer! We can always use the help. The most important issue is definitely the aging content as discussed in Peter Cooper's blog post: http://www.rubyinside.com/official-ruby-site-not-so-good-5248.html I know a lot of people have ideas about how we can improve our process, our design, etc. While that's great, that's not our current problem. Please consider helping us to bring the content up-to-date. Then we will be happy to discuss other possible changes. If you want to help fix content: * Let me know which page you would like to update * I'll send you the code for the current version of that page (formats vary) * You can share your updates with us * As soon as people are good with it, I'll update the site * If you want to do more updates at that point, I'll just give you access to the site Please send all correspondence regarding these tasks to webmaster at ruby-lang.org. That let's everyone who works on the site, including me, see what is being done and provide feedback. Thanks for the interest in helping and please let me know if there's more I can do for you. James Edward Gray II From shugo at ruby-lang.org Thu Aug 4 01:18:55 2011 From: shugo at ruby-lang.org (shugo at ruby-lang.org) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 20:18:55 -0500 Subject: [Vit-core] Help with Ruby's site Message-ID: <93132739-2E7D-4182-9698-D5EDC0E15322@gmail.com> What kind of help are you looking for. Been a dev for 10 hrs but a noob at Ruby. Been using Ruby for about a month now. Thanks, Mithun From shugo at ruby-lang.org Thu Aug 4 01:40:57 2011 From: shugo at ruby-lang.org (shugo at ruby-lang.org) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 21:40:57 -0400 Subject: [Vit-core] (no subject) Message-ID: I'm willing to help with the Ubuntu Linux section - the packaged version isn't really sane, so not everything works right. Plus it's Ruby 1.9, not 1.9.2. Cheers, James Gifford From james at graysoftinc.com Thu Aug 4 02:35:43 2011 From: james at graysoftinc.com (James Gray) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 21:35:43 -0500 Subject: [Vit-core] Help with Ruby's site In-Reply-To: <93132739-2E7D-4182-9698-D5EDC0E15322@gmail.com> References: <93132739-2E7D-4182-9698-D5EDC0E15322@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 8:18 PM, wrote: > What kind of help are you looking for. Been a dev for 10 hrs but a noob at Ruby. Been using Ruby for about a month now. The most important issue is definitely the aging content as discussed in Peter Cooper's blog post: http://www.rubyinside.com/official-ruby-site-not-so-good-5248.html I know a lot of people have ideas about how we can improve our process, our design, etc. While that's great, that's not our current problem. Please consider helping us to bring the content up-to-date. Then we will be happy to discuss other possible changes. If you want to help fix content: * Let me know which page you would like to update * I'll send you the code for the current version of that page (formats vary) * You can share your updates with us * As soon as people are good with it, I'll update the site * If you want to do more updates at that point, I'll just give you access to the site Please send all correspondence regarding these tasks to webmaster at ruby-lang.org. That let's everyone who works on the site, including me, see what is being done and provide feedback. Thanks for the interest in helping and please let me know if there's more I can do for you. James Edward Gray II From james at graysoftinc.com Thu Aug 4 02:38:56 2011 From: james at graysoftinc.com (James Gray) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 21:38:56 -0500 Subject: [Vit-core] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 8:40 PM, wrote: > I'm willing to help with the Ubuntu Linux section - the packaged version isn't really sane, so not everything works right. Here's the code for that page in Textile, if you want to touch it up and send it back in: Here you can get the latest Ruby distributions in your favorite flavor. *The current stable version is 1.9.2*. Please be sure to read "Ruby's License":http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/about/license.txt. h3. About implementations Before installing Ruby, one has to know about a specific yet important point. Ruby, _as a language_, is available under several implementations_. The first one (the oldest) is *MRI*, standing for _Matz's Ruby Implementation_. It is written in C and is the "official" implementation. The "latest stable version" refers to MRI. It is what you want _unless you know it is not_. MRI is available for download in the next section. There a few more implementations, though: * "JRuby":http://jruby.org is a "100% Pure-Java Implementation of the Ruby Programming Language". It runs on the JVM. * "Rubinius":http://rubini.us could be labelled as the "Ruby in Ruby" implementation. More accurately, "The Rubinius bytecode virtual machine is written in C++, incorporating LLVM to compile bytecode to machine code at runtime. The bytecode compiler and vast majority of the core classes are written in pure Ruby". * "MacRuby":http://www.macruby.org is an "implementation of Ruby 1.9 directly on top of Mac OS X core technologies". * "Cardinal":https://github.com/parrot/cardinal is a "Ruby compiler for "Parrot":http://parrot.org Virtual Machine" (Perl 6). * "IronRuby":http://www.ironruby.net is an implementation "tightly integrated with the .NET Framework". Some of those implementations, including MRI, follow the guidelines of "RubySpec":http://rubyspec.org, a "complete executable specification for the Ruby programming language". h3. Using RVM RVM stands for _Ruby Version Manager_. It is "a command line tool which allows us to easily install, manage and work with multiple ruby environments from interpreters to sets of gems." Although not officially supported, it has become one of the preferred way to install Ruby for newcomers. Installing a Ruby version is as simple as @rvm install 1.9.2 at . You may then use it, install another Ruby version and/or implementation, manage different gem sets to fit different applications you're hacking on, etc. For detailed instructions on all those points and more, see the "official documentation":https://rvm.beginrescueend.com. RVM is not available on Windows but a similar software exist on this platform: see below for details. Obviously, using RVM is not mandatory, and one may install Ruby either as a OS executable, package, or downloading its source code. The following sections give more details about those different options. h3. Compiling Ruby ? Source code Installing from the source code is a great solution for when you are comfortable enough with your platform and perhaps need specific settings for your environment. It's also a good solution in the event that there are no other premade packages for your platform. * "Ruby 1.9.2-p290":http://ftp.ruby-lang.org/pub/ruby/1.9/ruby-1.9.2-p290.tar.gz (md5: 604da71839a6ae02b5b5b5e1b792d5eb) Stable Version (_recommended_) * "Ruby 1.9.3 preview1":http://ftp.ruby-lang.org/pub/ruby/1.9/ruby-1.9.3-preview1.tar.gz (md5: 0f0220be4cc7c51a82c1bd8f6a0969f3) * "Stable Snapshot":http://ftp.ruby-lang.org/pub/ruby/ruby-1.9-stable.tar.gz This is tar'ed and gzip'ed file of the latest stable SVN. It should be better than the last stable release. * "Nightly Snapshot":http://ftp.ruby-lang.org/pub/ruby/snapshot.tar.gz This is tar'ed and gzip'ed file of the latest SVN. It may contain unfixed problems. For information about the Ruby Subversion and Git repositories, see our "Ruby Core":/en/community/ruby-core/ page. h3. Ruby on Windows The Windows platform has several options to install Ruby. The first option is to use the "RubyInstaller":http://rubyinstaller.org, an installer that contains compiled binaries. The second option is usage of packaged executables and binaries. If you're unsure about how to install Ruby, the first option might be the best for you. Please also investigate the use of "pik":http://github.com/vertiginous/pik which eases the process of installing and maintaining concurrent versions of both ruby and gems on Windows (that is, a clone of RVM for Windows). h3. Ruby On Linux Depending on the distribution you are using, there are several ways to install Ruby. You may use RVM (see above), you may download the source code and compile by hand (see above). However, on some platforms, there are package management solutions that make installing Ruby quite easy. If you would like to stick to your distribution package system, read on. For example, on Debian or Ubuntu @apt-get@ provides an easy and elegant solution: % sudo apt-get install ruby1.9.1-full The above command installs the current stable version of Ruby 1.9.1. If you prefer to install a Ruby 1.8 version, you can use: % sudo apt-get install ruby-full For irb and rdoc, you will need to enable the universe repository. h3. Ruby On OS X Ruby 1.8.6 is fully supported in Mac OS X Leopard including Ruby on Rails, Mongrel, Capistrano, and many other popular Ruby gems (packages). For details, see the "Ruby wiki at MacOS Forge":http://trac.macosforge.org/projects/ruby/wiki. Mac OS X Tiger is packaged with version 1.8.2 of Ruby, but, for those who haven't upgraded to Leopard, there are a number of options for installing the latest version of Ruby. "Locomotive":http://locomotive.raaum.org/ is a nice choice if you are looking for something to get you up and running quickly for Rails development. Using "MacPorts":http://www.macports.org/ or "Fink":http://fink.sourceforge.net/ might be a little nicer for the more technically savvy. On MacPorts, you can install Ruby with... % sudo port install ruby Fink has a graphical interface (using Fink Commander) for installing Ruby. Also, since OS X is based on Unix, downloading and installing from the source is just as easy and effective as the other solutions. For a detailed look at installing Ruby (and Rails), Dan Benjamin's excellent articles "for Tiger":http://hivelogic.com/articles/ruby-rails-mongrel-mysql-osx, "for Leopard":http://hivelogic.com/articles/ruby-rails-leopard, and "for Snow Leopard":http://hivelogic.com/articles/compiling-ruby-rubygems-and-rails-on-snow-leopard/ will get you up and running very quickly. h3. Ruby On Solaris and OpenSolaris Ruby 1.8.7 are available for Solaris 8 through Solaris 10 on "Sunfreeware":http://www.sunfreeware.com and Ruby 1.8.7 is available at "Blastwave":http://www.blastwave.org. Ruby 1.9.2p0 is also available at "Sunfreeware":http://www.sunfreeware.com now. An optimized Ruby on Rails stack for Solaris 10 is available as "Coolstack":http://cooltools.sunsource.net/coolstack from Sun's Cooltools project. To install Ruby on "OpenSolaris":http://www.opensolaris.org, please use the "Image Packaging System, or IPS":http://opensolaris.org/os/project/pkg/ client. This will install the latest Ruby binaries and Rubygems directly from the OpenSolaris network repository. It's easy: % pfexec pkg install SUNWruby18 This will install Ruby, Rubygems, common extensions and their supporting libraries. This package also contains DTrace support and performance optimizations. The locations of various artifacts are described in the "Ruby OpenSolaris ARC Case":http://jp.opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/caselog/2007/600/. The other OpenSolaris distribution, called the "Solaris Express Community Edition or SXCE":http://opensolaris.org/os/downloads comes with Ruby preinstalled. The version, location etc., are the same as with the vanilla OpenSolaris distribution, and are documented in the above mentioned ARC case. To install SVR4 packages manually, please visit the "RubyOpenSolaris project @ Rubyforge":http://rubyforge.org/projects/rubyopensolaris. > Plus it's Ruby 1.9, not 1.9.2. Double check that. I'm pretty sure it claims to be 1.9 or 1.9.1, but is currently 1.9.2. Straight Ruby 1.9 was never a production release. At least issue a `ruby -v`. James Edward Gray II From shugo at ruby-lang.org Thu Aug 4 10:13:30 2011 From: shugo at ruby-lang.org (shugo at ruby-lang.org) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 10:13:30 +0000 Subject: [Vit-core] The New Adult Facebook At Http://ln-s.net/91nw invites you to connect Message-ID: <05fa8fadab561c2c859ea1a07a31efd8@invite102.msg.ac4.yahoo.com> Join The New Adult Facebook At Http://ln-s.net/91nw on Yahoo! Messenger. (your message goes here) Stay in the loop with all your friends. 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In-Reply-To: References: <4E3908BF.9090704@typhon.org> <4E397076.3010801@typhon.org> <4E398B09.3010005@typhon.org> <4E39A2BE.6050506@typhon.org> Message-ID: Greetings everyone, The Portuguese translation team is also alive and the Portuguese version is updated. We agree with the general idea that we need a content and image revolution in ruby-lang.org. We will sync these new updates in radiant for the Portuguese version. One of the main problems to synchronize the translations is identifying in radiant which pages or content changed. Emanuel Mota On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Michel Martens wrote: > On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 4:34 PM, jd wrote: > > A git-based approach may benefit two both. As you pointed out, issues may > > occur when it comes to dynamic content, such as libs and books lists, but > > are they mandatory? I'd propose dropping them altogether for we probably > > cannot sync with the real datas (and if we *do* want them, we could > script a > > little to consume APIs). All in all, it should provides us with much more > > contributors. > > The last similar project I did was the Redis website, which is a very > simple Cuba based site with a bunch of markdown files. > > Site: http://redis.io/ > Code: https://github.com/antirez/redis-io > _______________________________________________ > Vit-core mailing list > Vit-core at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/vit-core > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shugo at ruby-lang.org Thu Aug 4 14:54:16 2011 From: shugo at ruby-lang.org (shugo at ruby-lang.org) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 10:54:16 -0400 Subject: [Vit-core] RubyForge widget? Message-ID: Hey guys- Two things that I care about on the site: http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/downloads/ and the widget showing links to old RubyForge projects. Is there anything I can do to help update these two things? -Steve From lkottyan at gmail.com Thu Aug 4 16:14:03 2011 From: lkottyan at gmail.com (Laszlo Kottyan) Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 16:14:03 +0000 Subject: [Vit-core] editors, IDEs and others Message-ID: <20110804161408.195820@gmx.com> Hi, I think the Documentation page should be extended with some links to editors and IDEs for Ruby. It would be important for beginners. Android is more and more popular and available, so it would be good to write some words about Ruboto http://ruboto.org/ Some ideas for Documentation page: - Apidock, http://apidock.com/ - The Ruby Toolbox, http://ruby-toolbox.com Opinions? Laszlo Kottyan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james at graysoftinc.com Thu Aug 4 16:38:46 2011 From: james at graysoftinc.com (James Gray) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 11:38:46 -0500 Subject: [Vit-core] Updating Ruby's Site In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 1:41 AM, Humza Yaqoob wrote: > I'm interested in updating the downloads page, so it is easier for > beginners to know how to obtain Ruby. Here's the code for that page, in Textile: Here you can get the latest Ruby distributions in your favorite flavor. *The current stable version is 1.9.2*. Please be sure to read "Ruby's License":http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/about/license.txt. h3. About implementations Before installing Ruby, one has to know about a specific yet important point. Ruby, _as a language_, is available under several implementations_. The first one (the oldest) is *MRI*, standing for _Matz's Ruby Implementation_. It is written in C and is the "official" implementation. The "latest stable version" refers to MRI. It is what you want _unless you know it is not_. MRI is available for download in the next section. There a few more implementations, though: * "JRuby":http://jruby.org is a "100% Pure-Java Implementation of the Ruby Programming Language". It runs on the JVM. * "Rubinius":http://rubini.us could be labelled as the "Ruby in Ruby" implementation. More accurately, "The Rubinius bytecode virtual machine is written in C++, incorporating LLVM to compile bytecode to machine code at runtime. The bytecode compiler and vast majority of the core classes are written in pure Ruby". * "MacRuby":http://www.macruby.org is an "implementation of Ruby 1.9 directly on top of Mac OS X core technologies". * "Cardinal":https://github.com/parrot/cardinal is a "Ruby compiler for "Parrot":http://parrot.org Virtual Machine" (Perl 6). * "IronRuby":http://www.ironruby.net is an implementation "tightly integrated with the .NET Framework". Some of those implementations, including MRI, follow the guidelines of "RubySpec":http://rubyspec.org, a "complete executable specification for the Ruby programming language". h3. Using RVM RVM stands for _Ruby Version Manager_. It is "a command line tool which allows us to easily install, manage and work with multiple ruby environments from interpreters to sets of gems." Although not officially supported, it has become one of the preferred way to install Ruby for newcomers. Installing a Ruby version is as simple as @rvm install 1.9.2 at . You may then use it, install another Ruby version and/or implementation, manage different gem sets to fit different applications you're hacking on, etc. For detailed instructions on all those points and more, see the "official documentation":https://rvm.beginrescueend.com. RVM is not available on Windows but a similar software exist on this platform: see below for details. Obviously, using RVM is not mandatory, and one may install Ruby either as a OS executable, package, or downloading its source code. The following sections give more details about those different options. h3. Compiling Ruby ? Source code Installing from the source code is a great solution for when you are comfortable enough with your platform and perhaps need specific settings for your environment. It's also a good solution in the event that there are no other premade packages for your platform. * "Ruby 1.9.2-p290":http://ftp.ruby-lang.org/pub/ruby/1.9/ruby-1.9.2-p290.tar.gz (md5: 604da71839a6ae02b5b5b5e1b792d5eb) Stable Version (_recommended_) * "Ruby 1.9.3 preview1":http://ftp.ruby-lang.org/pub/ruby/1.9/ruby-1.9.3-preview1.tar.gz (md5: 0f0220be4cc7c51a82c1bd8f6a0969f3) * "Stable Snapshot":http://ftp.ruby-lang.org/pub/ruby/ruby-1.9-stable.tar.gz This is tar'ed and gzip'ed file of the latest stable SVN. It should be better than the last stable release. * "Nightly Snapshot":http://ftp.ruby-lang.org/pub/ruby/snapshot.tar.gz This is tar'ed and gzip'ed file of the latest SVN. It may contain unfixed problems. For information about the Ruby Subversion and Git repositories, see our "Ruby Core":/en/community/ruby-core/ page. h3. Ruby on Windows The Windows platform has several options to install Ruby. The first option is to use the "RubyInstaller":http://rubyinstaller.org, an installer that contains compiled binaries. The second option is usage of packaged executables and binaries. If you're unsure about how to install Ruby, the first option might be the best for you. Please also investigate the use of "pik":http://github.com/vertiginous/pik which eases the process of installing and maintaining concurrent versions of both ruby and gems on Windows (that is, a clone of RVM for Windows). h3. Ruby On Linux Depending on the distribution you are using, there are several ways to install Ruby. You may use RVM (see above), you may download the source code and compile by hand (see above). However, on some platforms, there are package management solutions that make installing Ruby quite easy. If you would like to stick to your distribution package system, read on. For example, on Debian or Ubuntu @apt-get@ provides an easy and elegant solution: % sudo apt-get install ruby1.9.1-full The above command installs the current stable version of Ruby 1.9.1. If you prefer to install a Ruby 1.8 version, you can use: % sudo apt-get install ruby-full For irb and rdoc, you will need to enable the universe repository. h3. Ruby On OS X Ruby 1.8.6 is fully supported in Mac OS X Leopard including Ruby on Rails, Mongrel, Capistrano, and many other popular Ruby gems (packages). For details, see the "Ruby wiki at MacOS Forge":http://trac.macosforge.org/projects/ruby/wiki. Mac OS X Tiger is packaged with version 1.8.2 of Ruby, but, for those who haven't upgraded to Leopard, there are a number of options for installing the latest version of Ruby. "Locomotive":http://locomotive.raaum.org/ is a nice choice if you are looking for something to get you up and running quickly for Rails development. Using "MacPorts":http://www.macports.org/ or "Fink":http://fink.sourceforge.net/ might be a little nicer for the more technically savvy. On MacPorts, you can install Ruby with... % sudo port install ruby Fink has a graphical interface (using Fink Commander) for installing Ruby. Also, since OS X is based on Unix, downloading and installing from the source is just as easy and effective as the other solutions. For a detailed look at installing Ruby (and Rails), Dan Benjamin's excellent articles "for Tiger":http://hivelogic.com/articles/ruby-rails-mongrel-mysql-osx, "for Leopard":http://hivelogic.com/articles/ruby-rails-leopard, and "for Snow Leopard":http://hivelogic.com/articles/compiling-ruby-rubygems-and-rails-on-snow-leopard/ will get you up and running very quickly. h3. Ruby On Solaris and OpenSolaris Ruby 1.8.7 are available for Solaris 8 through Solaris 10 on "Sunfreeware":http://www.sunfreeware.com and Ruby 1.8.7 is available at "Blastwave":http://www.blastwave.org. Ruby 1.9.2p0 is also available at "Sunfreeware":http://www.sunfreeware.com now. An optimized Ruby on Rails stack for Solaris 10 is available as "Coolstack":http://cooltools.sunsource.net/coolstack from Sun's Cooltools project. To install Ruby on "OpenSolaris":http://www.opensolaris.org, please use the "Image Packaging System, or IPS":http://opensolaris.org/os/project/pkg/ client. This will install the latest Ruby binaries and Rubygems directly from the OpenSolaris network repository. It's easy: % pfexec pkg install SUNWruby18 This will install Ruby, Rubygems, common extensions and their supporting libraries. This package also contains DTrace support and performance optimizations. The locations of various artifacts are described in the "Ruby OpenSolaris ARC Case":http://jp.opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/caselog/2007/600/. The other OpenSolaris distribution, called the "Solaris Express Community Edition or SXCE":http://opensolaris.org/os/downloads comes with Ruby preinstalled. The version, location etc., are the same as with the vanilla OpenSolaris distribution, and are documented in the above mentioned ARC case. To install SVR4 packages manually, please visit the "RubyOpenSolaris project @ Rubyforge":http://rubyforge.org/projects/rubyopensolaris. James Edward Gray II From james at graysoftinc.com Thu Aug 4 16:45:06 2011 From: james at graysoftinc.com (James Gray) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 11:45:06 -0500 Subject: [Vit-core] RubyForge widget? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 9:54 AM, wrote: > Two things that I care about on the site: > http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/downloads/ and the widget showing links to > old RubyForge projects. Is there anything I can do to help update > these two things? Sure. Let me get you the code for the Downloads page for starters, in Textile: -- Here you can get the latest Ruby distributions in your favorite flavor. *The current stable version is 1.9.2*. Please be sure to read "Ruby's License":http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/about/license.txt. h3. About implementations Before installing Ruby, one has to know about a specific yet important point. Ruby, _as a language_, is available under several implementations_. The first one (the oldest) is *MRI*, standing for _Matz's Ruby Implementation_. It is written in C and is the "official" implementation. The "latest stable version" refers to MRI. It is what you want _unless you know it is not_. MRI is available for download in the next section. There a few more implementations, though: * "JRuby":http://jruby.org is a "100% Pure-Java Implementation of the Ruby Programming Language". It runs on the JVM. * "Rubinius":http://rubini.us could be labelled as the "Ruby in Ruby" implementation. More accurately, "The Rubinius bytecode virtual machine is written in C++, incorporating LLVM to compile bytecode to machine code at runtime. The bytecode compiler and vast majority of the core classes are written in pure Ruby". * "MacRuby":http://www.macruby.org is an "implementation of Ruby 1.9 directly on top of Mac OS X core technologies". * "Cardinal":https://github.com/parrot/cardinal is a "Ruby compiler for "Parrot":http://parrot.org Virtual Machine" (Perl 6). * "IronRuby":http://www.ironruby.net is an implementation "tightly integrated with the .NET Framework". Some of those implementations, including MRI, follow the guidelines of "RubySpec":http://rubyspec.org, a "complete executable specification for the Ruby programming language". h3. Using RVM RVM stands for _Ruby Version Manager_. It is "a command line tool which allows us to easily install, manage and work with multiple ruby environments from interpreters to sets of gems." Although not officially supported, it has become one of the preferred way to install Ruby for newcomers. Installing a Ruby version is as simple as @rvm install 1.9.2 at . You may then use it, install another Ruby version and/or implementation, manage different gem sets to fit different applications you're hacking on, etc. For detailed instructions on all those points and more, see the "official documentation":https://rvm.beginrescueend.com. RVM is not available on Windows but a similar software exist on this platform: see below for details. Obviously, using RVM is not mandatory, and one may install Ruby either as a OS executable, package, or downloading its source code. The following sections give more details about those different options. h3. Compiling Ruby ? Source code Installing from the source code is a great solution for when you are comfortable enough with your platform and perhaps need specific settings for your environment. It's also a good solution in the event that there are no other premade packages for your platform. * "Ruby 1.9.2-p290":http://ftp.ruby-lang.org/pub/ruby/1.9/ruby-1.9.2-p290.tar.gz (md5: 604da71839a6ae02b5b5b5e1b792d5eb) Stable Version (_recommended_) * "Ruby 1.9.3 preview1":http://ftp.ruby-lang.org/pub/ruby/1.9/ruby-1.9.3-preview1.tar.gz (md5: 0f0220be4cc7c51a82c1bd8f6a0969f3) * "Stable Snapshot":http://ftp.ruby-lang.org/pub/ruby/ruby-1.9-stable.tar.gz This is tar'ed and gzip'ed file of the latest stable SVN. It should be better than the last stable release. * "Nightly Snapshot":http://ftp.ruby-lang.org/pub/ruby/snapshot.tar.gz This is tar'ed and gzip'ed file of the latest SVN. It may contain unfixed problems. For information about the Ruby Subversion and Git repositories, see our "Ruby Core":/en/community/ruby-core/ page. h3. Ruby on Windows The Windows platform has several options to install Ruby. The first option is to use the "RubyInstaller":http://rubyinstaller.org, an installer that contains compiled binaries. The second option is usage of packaged executables and binaries. If you're unsure about how to install Ruby, the first option might be the best for you. Please also investigate the use of "pik":http://github.com/vertiginous/pik which eases the process of installing and maintaining concurrent versions of both ruby and gems on Windows (that is, a clone of RVM for Windows). h3. Ruby On Linux Depending on the distribution you are using, there are several ways to install Ruby. You may use RVM (see above), you may download the source code and compile by hand (see above). However, on some platforms, there are package management solutions that make installing Ruby quite easy. If you would like to stick to your distribution package system, read on. For example, on Debian or Ubuntu @apt-get@ provides an easy and elegant solution: % sudo apt-get install ruby1.9.1-full The above command installs the current stable version of Ruby 1.9.1. If you prefer to install a Ruby 1.8 version, you can use: % sudo apt-get install ruby-full For irb and rdoc, you will need to enable the universe repository. h3. Ruby On OS X Ruby 1.8.6 is fully supported in Mac OS X Leopard including Ruby on Rails, Mongrel, Capistrano, and many other popular Ruby gems (packages). For details, see the "Ruby wiki at MacOS Forge":http://trac.macosforge.org/projects/ruby/wiki. Mac OS X Tiger is packaged with version 1.8.2 of Ruby, but, for those who haven't upgraded to Leopard, there are a number of options for installing the latest version of Ruby. "Locomotive":http://locomotive.raaum.org/ is a nice choice if you are looking for something to get you up and running quickly for Rails development. Using "MacPorts":http://www.macports.org/ or "Fink":http://fink.sourceforge.net/ might be a little nicer for the more technically savvy. On MacPorts, you can install Ruby with... % sudo port install ruby Fink has a graphical interface (using Fink Commander) for installing Ruby. Also, since OS X is based on Unix, downloading and installing from the source is just as easy and effective as the other solutions. For a detailed look at installing Ruby (and Rails), Dan Benjamin's excellent articles "for Tiger":http://hivelogic.com/articles/ruby-rails-mongrel-mysql-osx, "for Leopard":http://hivelogic.com/articles/ruby-rails-leopard, and "for Snow Leopard":http://hivelogic.com/articles/compiling-ruby-rubygems-and-rails-on-snow-leopard/ will get you up and running very quickly. h3. Ruby On Solaris and OpenSolaris Ruby 1.8.7 are available for Solaris 8 through Solaris 10 on "Sunfreeware":http://www.sunfreeware.com and Ruby 1.8.7 is available at "Blastwave":http://www.blastwave.org. Ruby 1.9.2p0 is also available at "Sunfreeware":http://www.sunfreeware.com now. An optimized Ruby on Rails stack for Solaris 10 is available as "Coolstack":http://cooltools.sunsource.net/coolstack from Sun's Cooltools project. To install Ruby on "OpenSolaris":http://www.opensolaris.org, please use the "Image Packaging System, or IPS":http://opensolaris.org/os/project/pkg/ client. This will install the latest Ruby binaries and Rubygems directly from the OpenSolaris network repository. It's easy: % pfexec pkg install SUNWruby18 This will install Ruby, Rubygems, common extensions and their supporting libraries. This package also contains DTrace support and performance optimizations. The locations of various artifacts are described in the "Ruby OpenSolaris ARC Case":http://jp.opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/caselog/2007/600/. The other OpenSolaris distribution, called the "Solaris Express Community Edition or SXCE":http://opensolaris.org/os/downloads comes with Ruby preinstalled. The version, location etc., are the same as with the vanilla OpenSolaris distribution, and are documented in the above mentioned ARC case. To install SVR4 packages manually, please visit the "RubyOpenSolaris project @ Rubyforge":http://rubyforge.org/projects/rubyopensolaris. -- Here's the code for the widget you mentioned as well, in HTML with Radiant extensions: --

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 -- Hope that helps. James Edward Gray II From james at graysoftinc.com Thu Aug 4 16:47:51 2011 From: james at graysoftinc.com (James Gray) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 11:47:51 -0500 Subject: [Vit-core] editors, IDEs and others In-Reply-To: <20110804161408.195820@gmx.com> References: <20110804161408.195820@gmx.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Laszlo Kottyan wrote: > I think the Documentation page? should be extended with some links to > editors and IDEs for Ruby. > It would be? important for beginners. > > Android is more and more popular and available, so it would be good to write > some words about Ruboto > http://ruboto.org/ > > Some ideas for Documentation? page: > - Apidock, http://apidock.com/ > - The Ruby Toolbox, http://ruby-toolbox.com > > Opinions? Do you want to show us an edit of the documentation page we can discuss and comment on? Here's the Textile code, for reference: -- Here you will find pointers to manuals, tutorials and references that will come in handy when you feel like coding in Ruby. h3. Getting Started
"Try Ruby!":http://tryruby.org/
An interactive tutorial that lets you try out Ruby right in your browser. This 15-minute tutorial is aimed at beginners who want to get a feeling of the language.
"Ruby Koans":http://rubykoans.com/
The Koans walk you along the path to enlightenment in order to learn Ruby. The goal is to learn the Ruby language, syntax, structure, and some common functions and libraries. We also teach you culture.
"Hackety Hack":http://hackety-hack.com/
The little coder's starter kit. A fun and easy way to learn about programming (through Ruby) using the Shoes GUI Toolkit.
"Why's (Poignant) Guide to Ruby":http://mislav.uniqpath.com/poignant-guide/
An unconventional but interesting book that will teach you Ruby through stories, wit, and comics. Originally created by _why the lucky stiff_, this guide remains a classic for Ruby learners.
"Learn to Program":http://pine.fm/LearnToProgram/
A wonderful little tutorial by Chris Pine for programming newbies. If you don't know how to program, start here.
"Ruby in Twenty Minutes":/en/documentation/quickstart/
A nice tutorial covering the basics of Ruby. From start to finish it shouldn't take you more than twenty minutes.
"Ruby from Other Languages":/en/documentation/ruby-from-other-languages/
Coming to Ruby from another language? Whether it's C, C++, Java, Perl, PHP, or Python, this article has you covered!
"Learning Ruby":http://rubylearning.com/
A thorough collection of Ruby study notes for those who are new to the language and in search of a solid introduction to Ruby's concepts and constructs.
"Ruby Essentials":http://www.techotopia.com/index.php/Ruby_Essentials
Ruby Essentials is a free on-line book designed to provide a concise and easy to follow guide to learning Ruby.
"Ruby & Ruby on Rails programming tutorials":http://www.meshplex.org/wiki/Ruby/Ruby_on_Rails_programming_tutorials
A site that aims to provide well-organized, rich content tutorials for both Ruby and Rails.
h3. Manuals
"Programming Ruby":http://www.ruby-doc.org/docs/ProgrammingRuby/
The seminal work on Ruby in English, this first edition of the "Pragmatic Programmers' book":http://pragmaticprogrammer.com/titles/ruby/index.html is available for free online.
"Ruby User's Guide":http://www.rubyist.net/~slagell/ruby/
Translated from the original Japanese version written by Yukihiro Matsumoto (the creator of Ruby), this version, by Goto Kentaro and Mark Slagell is nice overview of many aspects of the Ruby language.
"The Ruby Programming Wikibook":http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Ruby_programming_language
A free online manual with beginner and intermediate content plus a thorough language reference.
h3. Reference Documentation
"Ruby Core Reference":http://www.ruby-doc.org/core
Pulled straight from the source code using "RDoc":http://rdoc.sourceforge.net, this reference work documents all of the core classes and modules (like String, Array, Symbol, etc...).
"Ruby Standard Library Reference":http://www.ruby-doc.org/stdlib
Also pulled from the source code using RDoc, this reference work documents the standard library.
"Ruby C API Reference":http://www.ruby-doc.org/doxygen/current/
Documentation for Ruby's underlying C code. Great if you want to write C extensions or contribute to Ruby's development.
"RubyDoc.info":http://www.rubydoc.info/
The one-stop web site for reference documentation about Ruby gems and GitHub-hosted Ruby projects.
"Rails Searchable API Doc":http://railsapi.com/
Rails and Ruby documentation with smart searching.
"RubyDox":http://www.rubydox.net/
Ruby, Rails, Gem and Plugin Documentation.
h3. Further Reading "Ruby-Doc.org":http://ruby-doc.org maintains a comprehensive list of English documentation sources. There are also plenty of "books about Ruby":http://www.ruby-doc.org/bookstore. If you have questions about Ruby the "mailing list":/en/community/mailing-lists/ is a great place to start. -- James Edward Gray II From james at graysoftinc.com Thu Aug 4 22:43:06 2011 From: james at graysoftinc.com (James Gray) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 17:43:06 -0500 Subject: [Vit-core] Updates to the Downloads Page Message-ID: Both Humza and Steve have updated the Downloads page at almost the same time. Oops. :) Humza says about his version: * Added MagLev as a Ruby implementation. * Changed the wording of the RVM section a bit * Removed the outdated Ruby 1.9.1 stuff in the Linux section; just recommended RVM * The Mac OS X section still had info about MacPorts and Fink when people should use Homebrew or RVM. There were three sections, all of which conflicted with eachother. (The first implying Leopard was latest, the second Tiger, the third Snow Leopard.) Lion is now assumed as the latest operating system in the section. * Ruby 1.9.2p0 is old, so I don't recommend that one * OpenSolaris is dead, it has now been replaced with a new OS, OpenIndiana * OpenIndiana only has Ruby 1.8 available on it's package manager, but RVM should work for Ruby 1.9 And here's the update: https://raw.github.com/gist/bd208b46d1a47559ceb8/8ebdc7c966e0b00c587266cb7ebb42112e2710b7/downloads.textile Steve also changed the page: https://raw.github.com/gist/1125678/5fcb8b394b5413be3671b7af376b9bef258bf6c7/downloads.textile Can we get some feedback on these changes? I personally think the structure of Steve's update is a little easier to get into. We should definitely fold in some of Humza's changes though, I think. Do others agree? Is someone willing to do the merge? Humza and Steve, please copy webmaster at ruby-lang.org on any replies, so we all see them. 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"Try Ruby!":http://tryruby.org/
An interactive tutorial that lets you try out Ruby right in your browser. This 15-minute tutorial is aimed at beginners who want to get a feeling of the language.
"Ruby Koans":http://rubykoans.com/
The Koans walk you along the path to enlightenment in order to learn Ruby. The goal is to learn the Ruby language, syntax, structure, and some common functions and libraries. We also teach you culture.
"Hackety Hack":http://hackety-hack.com/
The little coder's starter kit. A fun and easy way to learn about programming (through Ruby) using the Shoes GUI Toolkit.
"Why's (Poignant) Guide to Ruby":http://mislav.uniqpath.com/poignant-guide/
An unconventional but interesting book that will teach you Ruby through stories, wit, and comics. Originally created by _why the lucky stiff_, this guide remains a classic for Ruby learners.
"Learn to Program":http://pine.fm/LearnToProgram/
A wonderful little tutorial by Chris Pine for programming newbies. If you don't know how to program, start here.
"Ruby in Twenty Minutes":/en/documentation/quickstart/
A nice tutorial covering the basics of Ruby. From start to finish it shouldn't take you more than twenty minutes.
"Ruby from Other Languages":/en/documentation/ruby-from-other-languages/
Coming to Ruby from another language? Whether it's C, C++, Java, Perl, PHP, or Python, this article has you covered!
"Learning Ruby":http://rubylearning.com/
A thorough collection of Ruby study notes for those who are new to the language and in search of a solid introduction to Ruby's concepts and constructs.
"Ruby Essentials":http://www.techotopia.com/index.php/Ruby_Essentials
Ruby Essentials is a free on-line book designed to provide a concise and easy to follow guide to learning Ruby.
"Ruby & Ruby on Rails programming tutorials":http://www.meshplex.org/wiki/Ruby/Ruby_on_Rails_programming_tutorials
A site that aims to provide well-organized, rich content tutorials for both Ruby and Rails.
h3. Manuals
"Programming Ruby":http://www.ruby-doc.org/docs/ProgrammingRuby/
The seminal work on Ruby in English, this first edition of the "Pragmatic Programmers' book":http://pragmaticprogrammer.com/titles/ruby/index.html is available for free online.
"Ruby User's Guide":http://www.rubyist.net/~slagell/ruby/
Translated from the original Japanese version written by Yukihiro Matsumoto (the creator of Ruby), this version, by Goto Kentaro and Mark Slagell is nice overview of many aspects of the Ruby language.
"The Ruby Programming Wikibook":http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Ruby_programming_language
A free online manual with beginner and intermediate content plus a thorough language reference.
h3. Reference Documentation
"Ruby Core Reference":http://www.ruby-doc.org/core
Pulled straight from the source code using "RDoc":http://rdoc.sourceforge.net, this reference work documents all of the core classes and modules (like String, Array, Symbol, etc...).
"Ruby Standard Library Reference":http://www.ruby-doc.org/stdlib
Also pulled from the source code using RDoc, this reference work documents the standard library.
"Ruby C API Reference":http://www.ruby-doc.org/doxygen/current/
Documentation for Ruby's underlying C code. Great if you want to write C extensions or contribute to Ruby's development.
"RubyDoc.info":http://www.rubydoc.info/
The one-stop web site for reference documentation about Ruby gems and GitHub-hosted Ruby projects.
"Rails Searchable API Doc":http://railsapi.com/
Rails and Ruby documentation with smart searching.
"RubyDox":http://www.rubydox.net/
Ruby, Rails, Gem and Plugin Documentation.
"APIdock":http://apidock.com/
Ruby, Rails and RSpec documentation with users' notes.
h3. Editors and IDEs For coding in Ruby you can use the default editor of your operating system. By the way, to be more effective in coding, it is worth to choose a source code editor with basic Ruby support (e.g. syntax-highlighting, file browsing) or an integrated development environment with advanced features (e.g. code completion,refactoring, testing support). Here is a list of popular tools used by Rubyists: * Linux and cross-platform tools: ** "Aptana Studio":http://www.aptana.com/ ** "Emacs":http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/ with "Ruby mode":http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/RubyMode and "Rsense":http://cx4a.org/software/rsense/ ** "Geany":http://www.geany.org/ ** "gedit":http://projects.gnome.org/gedit/screenshots.html ** "Vim":http://www.vim.org/ with "vim-ruby":https://github.com/vim-ruby/vim-ruby plugin and "Rsense":http://cx4a.org/software/rsense/ ** "RubyMine":http://www.jetbrains.com/ruby/ ** "SciTe":http://www.scintilla.org/SciTE.html * On Windows: ** "Notepad++":http://notepad-plus-plus.org/ ** "E-TextEditor":http://www.e-texteditor.com/ ** "Ruby In Steel":http://www.sapphiresteel.com/ * On Mac OS X: ** "TextMate":http://macromates.com/ ** "TextWrangler":http://www.barebones.com/products/textwrangler/ h3. Further Reading "Ruby-Doc.org":http://ruby-doc.org maintains a comprehensive list of English documentation sources. There are also plenty of "books about Ruby":http://www.ruby-doc.org/bookstore. If you have questions about Ruby the "mailing list":/en/community/mailing-lists/ is a great place to start. --- One more thing for Downloads/About Implementations section * "Ruboto":http://ruboto.org/ is a JRuby based framework for writing Android applications in Ruby. It supports "libraries and generators for creating projects, classes, tests, and more". --- Please comment, modify the content. Laszlo Kottyan ----- Original Message ----- From: James Gray Sent: 08/04/11 06:47 PM To: vit-core at rubyforge.org Subject: Re: [Vit-core] editors, IDEs and others On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Laszlo Kottyan wrote: > I think the Documentation page should be extended with some links to > editors and IDEs for Ruby. > It would be important for beginners. > > Android is more and more popular and available, so it would be good to write > some words about Ruboto > http://ruboto.org/ > > Some ideas for Documentation page: > - Apidock, http://apidock.com/ > - The Ruby Toolbox, http://ruby-toolbox.com > > Opinions? Do you want to show us an edit of the documentation page we can discuss and comment on? Here's the Textile code, for reference: -- Here you will find pointers to manuals, tutorials and references that will come in handy when you feel like coding in Ruby. h3. Getting Started
"Try Ruby!":http://tryruby.org/
An interactive tutorial that lets you try out Ruby right in your browser. This 15-minute tutorial is aimed at beginners who want to get a feeling of the language.
"Ruby Koans":http://rubykoans.com/
The Koans walk you along the path to enlightenment in order to learn Ruby. The goal is to learn the Ruby language, syntax, structure, and some common functions and libraries. We also teach you culture.
"Hackety Hack":http://hackety-hack.com/
The little coder's starter kit. A fun and easy way to learn about programming (through Ruby) using the Shoes GUI Toolkit.
"Why's (Poignant) Guide to Ruby":http://mislav.uniqpath.com/poignant-guide/
An unconventional but interesting book that will teach you Ruby through stories, wit, and comics. Originally created by _why the lucky stiff_, this guide remains a classic for Ruby learners.
"Learn to Program":http://pine.fm/LearnToProgram/
A wonderful little tutorial by Chris Pine for programming newbies. If you don't know how to program, start here.
"Ruby in Twenty Minutes":/en/documentation/quickstart/
A nice tutorial covering the basics of Ruby. From start to finish it shouldn't take you more than twenty minutes.
"Ruby from Other Languages":/en/documentation/ruby-from-other-languages/
Coming to Ruby from another language? Whether it's C, C++, Java, Perl, PHP, or Python, this article has you covered!
"Learning Ruby":http://rubylearning.com/
A thorough collection of Ruby study notes for those who are new to the language and in search of a solid introduction to Ruby's concepts and constructs.
"Ruby Essentials":http://www.techotopia.com/index.php/Ruby_Essentials
Ruby Essentials is a free on-line book designed to provide a concise and easy to follow guide to learning Ruby.
"Ruby & Ruby on Rails programming tutorials":http://www.meshplex.org/wiki/Ruby/Ruby_on_Rails_programming_tutorials
A site that aims to provide well-organized, rich content tutorials for both Ruby and Rails.
h3. Manuals
"Programming Ruby":http://www.ruby-doc.org/docs/ProgrammingRuby/
The seminal work on Ruby in English, this first edition of the "Pragmatic Programmers' book":http://pragmaticprogrammer.com/titles/ruby/index.html is available for free online.
"Ruby User's Guide":http://www.rubyist.net/~slagell/ruby/
Translated from the original Japanese version written by Yukihiro Matsumoto (the creator of Ruby), this version, by Goto Kentaro and Mark Slagell is nice overview of many aspects of the Ruby language.
"The Ruby Programming Wikibook":http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Ruby_programming_language
A free online manual with beginner and intermediate content plus a thorough language reference.
h3. Reference Documentation
"Ruby Core Reference":http://www.ruby-doc.org/core
Pulled straight from the source code using "RDoc":http://rdoc.sourceforge.net, this reference work documents all of the core classes and modules (like String, Array, Symbol, etc...).
"Ruby Standard Library Reference":http://www.ruby-doc.org/stdlib
Also pulled from the source code using RDoc, this reference work documents the standard library.
"Ruby C API Reference":http://www.ruby-doc.org/doxygen/current/
Documentation for Ruby's underlying C code. Great if you want to write C extensions or contribute to Ruby's development.
"RubyDoc.info":http://www.rubydoc.info/
The one-stop web site for reference documentation about Ruby gems and GitHub-hosted Ruby projects.
"Rails Searchable API Doc":http://railsapi.com/
Rails and Ruby documentation with smart searching.
"RubyDox":http://www.rubydox.net/
Ruby, Rails, Gem and Plugin Documentation.
h3. Further Reading "Ruby-Doc.org":http://ruby-doc.org maintains a comprehensive list of English documentation sources. There are also plenty of "books about Ruby":http://www.ruby-doc.org/bookstore. If you have questions about Ruby the "mailing list":/en/community/mailing-lists/ is a great place to start. -- James Edward Gray II _______________________________________________ Vit-core mailing list Vit-core at rubyforge.org http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/vit-core -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From contact at secondplanetanimation.com Fri Aug 5 06:30:28 2011 From: contact at secondplanetanimation.com (Humza Yaqoob) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 07:30:28 +0100 Subject: [Vit-core] Updates to the Downloads Page In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I do think Steve has done a really good job at making the order of things and the structure of the page more readable and immediately useful. I definitely think this is the overall structure should be the one that is merged; I more just added bits in to the original. There are a few things I think should be added from my version, based on Steve's changes. Most of them are minor; just small additions and tweaks: * The addition of MagLev to the implementations list. * In the RVM section, it could be noted that installing rubies is done with `rvm install 1.9.2` and that it also supports the Ruby implementations listed below. Also, the platforms could be changed to Mac OS X, Linux, or other Unix-like operating systems. (Some people might have some other obscure OS) * The fact that Debian and Ubuntu have seperate sections seems a bit odd. (Although I didn't know that about getting Ruby 1.9.2 on apt-get) Maybe all the Linux sections should be merged in to one? It could note the apt-get and pacman methods, but also say if you are using other Linux distros (as there are probably a bajillion others) you might want to install using RVM. * I use Mac OS X for a lot of my development, so that is probably the most accurate of the bits I changed. In Steve's version, it uses `sudo brew install`, however the Homebrew developers highly recommends to never use `sudo` on the `brew` command. (I have never tried it, but I think we should stay safe) As for using MacPorts as the other option, I think that could be just removed. Mac OS X is one system, and for new Rubyists being told you could use either can be confusing. (I was really confused by the MacPorts and Fink thing when I first started) I think my article also covered the state of the system Ruby on OS X versions quite well, and that can be important for making the installations work without conflicting. Without the paragraph about the articles (those would become quickly outdated), this could be the Mac OS X section under "Package Management". The link to the MacOS forge page could probably removed, but I don't really know how old that is or what it is for. * I have no idea how many people are on Solaris or OpenIndiana. Does anyone think they are major enough to be included as a section? If we can come to an agreement on a couple of the problems, I'd be happy to merge it all into one file if that's OK with everyone. On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 11:43 PM, James Gray wrote: > Both Humza and Steve have updated the Downloads page at almost the > same time. ?Oops. ?:) > > Humza says about his version: > > * Added MagLev as a Ruby implementation. > * Changed the wording of the RVM section a bit > * Removed the outdated Ruby 1.9.1 stuff in the Linux section; just > recommended RVM > * The Mac OS X section still had info about MacPorts and Fink when > people should use Homebrew or RVM. There were > ?three sections, all of which conflicted with eachother. (The first > implying Leopard was latest, the second Tiger, the third > ?Snow Leopard.) Lion is now assumed as the latest operating system in > the section. > * Ruby 1.9.2p0 is old, so I don't recommend that one > * OpenSolaris is dead, it has now been replaced with a new OS, OpenIndiana > * OpenIndiana only has Ruby 1.8 available on it's package manager, but > RVM should work for Ruby 1.9 > > And here's the update: > > https://raw.github.com/gist/bd208b46d1a47559ceb8/8ebdc7c966e0b00c587266cb7ebb42112e2710b7/downloads.textile > > Steve also changed the page: > > https://raw.github.com/gist/1125678/5fcb8b394b5413be3671b7af376b9bef258bf6c7/downloads.textile > > Can we get some feedback on these changes? > > I personally think the structure of Steve's update is a little easier > to get into. ?We should definitely fold in some of Humza's changes > though, I think. ?Do others agree? ?Is someone willing to do the > merge? > > Humza and Steve, please copy webmaster at ruby-lang.org on any replies, > so we all see them. > > James Edward Gray II > From jd at typhon.org Fri Aug 5 11:55:22 2011 From: jd at typhon.org (jd) Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2011 13:55:22 +0200 Subject: [Vit-core] What about a summer refresh? In-Reply-To: References: <4E3908BF.9090704@typhon.org> <4E397076.3010801@typhon.org> <4E398B09.3010005@typhon.org> <4E39A2BE.6050506@typhon.org> Message-ID: <4E3BDA2A.3060500@typhon.org> Let's review our three main options. 1/ Do nothing. 2/ Upgrade Radiant on a test server and strive to adapt our content. 3/ Test a new git-based edition process with a static website generator. 1/ is not acceptable. 2/ seems easy, but the more I think to it, the more I can see drawbacks arising: some effort is required to upgrade, and most importantly, it won't solve the issue at stake: keeping the content up-to-date by providing a smart, contributor-friendly interface for a l10n application. 3/ seems appealing (really help solving the issue) but it's a complete redesign, thus require some efforts and dedication. So here's my proposal. I'll create a new Github project which purpose is to migrate current features from the Radiant CMS version (content, news feed, sidebar?) to a static website generator. Based on git, we'd have the "activity feed" for free and a solid backup mechanism. Doing so, I'll check which features are easy to migrate, and which require some workaround (dynamic lists and the like). I suggest we choose Github for this because, firstly, most of us are acccustomed to it, and secondly, they provide a really nice feature now which is the live edit-and-pull-request per file. So anyone, with or without git knowledge, could participate. My first try will use Octopress+Jekyll. I checked Gollum+Gollum-site, but it does not provide namespacing *by design*, so it won't fit our needs (ever); while I can see how to achieve it quite easily using Jekyll. I won't create a branch per languages, for it would enforce us to manually merge every time a translation is updated, and prevent from easily diff things out. One branch to seize them all :) Namespacing should be enough to cover our requirements. When I'm done migrating/building the basics (initial skeleton is easier done alone), everyone interested should be able to join the "effort" and help building a brand new, up-to-date ruby-lang.org :) If it eventually seems to not fit our needs, at least we tried this solution and will be able to reject it for good reasons. On the other hand, if it happens to just work (tm), then we'll go for it and deploy it on prod when it's ready. Are you ok with this? Any better idea? Thank you :) From jd at typhon.org Fri Aug 5 12:31:57 2011 From: jd at typhon.org (jd) Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2011 14:31:57 +0200 Subject: [Vit-core] About our news feed Message-ID: <4E3BE2BD.2050307@typhon.org> Hi (again), Some people raised an "issue" with ruby-lang's news feed, stating it is quite not as active as it could be. That is, they'd like to have more news about the Ruby ecosystem on top of Ruby itself. This would mean news items about major lib/project releases, ruby-core feedback, debates on major implementation/roadmap issues, detailed review of Ruby releases (as available on Ruby Inside for instance), major events feedback (conferences)? All of this eventually increasing the news publication rate and widening its scope. Is this something you would like to have on ruby-lang? The current news feed restricts its scope to Ruby releases and security patches announcements only (with some occasional news about conferences). From flo at andersground.net Fri Aug 5 12:36:56 2011 From: flo at andersground.net (Florian Gilcher) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:36:56 +0200 Subject: [Vit-core] What about a summer refresh? In-Reply-To: <4E3BDA2A.3060500@typhon.org> References: <4E3908BF.9090704@typhon.org> <4E397076.3010801@typhon.org> <4E398B09.3010005@typhon.org> <4E39A2BE.6050506@typhon.org> <4E3BDA2A.3060500@typhon.org> Message-ID: Hi, I am much in favour of experimenting with 3/ - mainly because changes can easily be tracked by the editors - also, github can be easily set up to send commit notifications to the list. And it provides the ability to write test cases for links etc. :). Also, I really like pull requests for review. I am not sure about a redesign though - I actually like the current site, although it could be a bit more fluid. I do have a bit of a problem with a fully static site - it makes things like "upcoming events/passed events" a bit hard :). Nesta could be an option. The is another thing I'd like add to the discussion (and I admit, I should have wrote this email 2 days ago): we should take this opportunity and decide on the scope of the site and our management strategy. As I already mentioned in the associated Hacker News post, I see another problem: there are actually a lot of great, independent resources for ruby that the site does a bad job at mentioning. We have multiple free books (like http://ruby.runpaint.org/ or the new "learn ruby the hard way"), multiple great, independent documentation sites, etc. Finding a way to put more effort into providing a site where you can find out about such projects would be great - but this would require constant revalidation of the content. Can we find a process to manage that? If anyone is interested in that, I can come up with suggestions. Regards, Florian Gilcher On Aug 5, 2011, at 1:55 PM, jd wrote: > Let's review our three main options. > > 1/ Do nothing. > 2/ Upgrade Radiant on a test server and strive to adapt our content. > 3/ Test a new git-based edition process with a static website generator. > > 1/ is not acceptable. > 2/ seems easy, but the more I think to it, the more I can see drawbacks arising: some effort is required to upgrade, and most importantly, it won't solve the issue at stake: keeping the content up-to-date by providing a smart, contributor-friendly interface for a l10n application. > 3/ seems appealing (really help solving the issue) but it's a complete redesign, thus require some efforts and dedication. > > So here's my proposal. > > I'll create a new Github project which purpose is to migrate current features from the Radiant CMS version (content, news feed, sidebar?) to a static website generator. Based on git, we'd have the "activity feed" for free and a solid backup mechanism. Doing so, I'll check which features are easy to migrate, and which require some workaround (dynamic lists and the like). I suggest we choose Github for this because, firstly, most of us are acccustomed to it, and secondly, they provide a really nice feature now which is the live edit-and-pull-request per file. So anyone, with or without git knowledge, could participate. > > My first try will use Octopress+Jekyll. I checked Gollum+Gollum-site, but it does not provide namespacing *by design*, so it won't fit our needs (ever); while I can see how to achieve it quite easily using Jekyll. > > I won't create a branch per languages, for it would enforce us to manually merge every time a translation is updated, and prevent from easily diff things out. One branch to seize them all :) Namespacing should be enough to cover our requirements. > > When I'm done migrating/building the basics (initial skeleton is easier done alone), everyone interested should be able to join the "effort" and help building a brand new, up-to-date ruby-lang.org :) > > If it eventually seems to not fit our needs, at least we tried this solution and will be able to reject it for good reasons. On the other hand, if it happens to just work (tm), then we'll go for it and deploy it on prod when it's ready. > > > Are you ok with this? Any better idea? > Thank you :) From judofyr at gmail.com Fri Aug 5 12:44:12 2011 From: judofyr at gmail.com (Magnus Holm) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:44:12 +0200 Subject: [Vit-core] What about a summer refresh? In-Reply-To: <4E3BDA2A.3060500@typhon.org> References: <4E3908BF.9090704@typhon.org> <4E397076.3010801@typhon.org> <4E398B09.3010005@typhon.org> <4E39A2BE.6050506@typhon.org> <4E3BDA2A.3060500@typhon.org> Message-ID: On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 13:55, jd wrote: > Let's review our three main options. > > 1/ Do nothing. > 2/ Upgrade Radiant on a test server and strive to adapt our content. > 3/ Test a new git-based edition process with a static website generator. > > 1/ is not acceptable. > 2/ seems easy, but the more I think to it, the more I can see drawbacks > arising: some effort is required to upgrade, and most importantly, it won't > solve the issue at stake: keeping the content up-to-date by providing a > smart, contributor-friendly interface for a l10n application. > 3/ seems appealing (really help solving the issue) but it's a complete > redesign, thus require some efforts and dedication. > > So here's my proposal. > > I'll create a new Github project which purpose is to migrate current > features from the Radiant CMS version (content, news feed, sidebar?) to a > static website generator. Based on git, we'd have the "activity feed" for > free and a solid backup mechanism. Doing so, I'll check which features are > easy to migrate, and which require some workaround (dynamic lists and the > like). I suggest we choose Github for this because, firstly, most of us are > acccustomed to it, and secondly, they provide a really nice feature now > which is the live edit-and-pull-request per file. So anyone, with or without > git knowledge, could participate. > > My first try will use Octopress+Jekyll. I checked Gollum+Gollum-site, but > it does not provide namespacing *by design*, so it won't fit our needs > (ever); while I can see how to achieve it quite easily using Jekyll. > > I won't create a branch per languages, for it would enforce us to manually > merge every time a translation is updated, and prevent from easily diff > things out. One branch to seize them all :) Namespacing should be enough to > cover our requirements. > > When I'm done migrating/building the basics (initial skeleton is easier > done alone), everyone interested should be able to join the "effort" and > help building a brand new, up-to-date ruby-lang.org :) > > If it eventually seems to not fit our needs, at least we tried this > solution and will be able to reject it for good reasons. On the other hand, > if it happens to just work (tm), then we'll go for it and deploy it on prod > when it's ready. > > > Are you ok with this? Any better idea? > Thank you :) > > Yes, yes, yes! Please do this! Someone has already worked on this before though: https://github.com/postmodern/www.ruby-lang.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james at graysoftinc.com Fri Aug 5 13:00:15 2011 From: james at graysoftinc.com (James Gray) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 08:00:15 -0500 Subject: [Vit-core] What about a summer refresh? In-Reply-To: <4E3BDA2A.3060500@typhon.org> References: <4E3908BF.9090704@typhon.org> <4E397076.3010801@typhon.org> <4E398B09.3010005@typhon.org> <4E39A2BE.6050506@typhon.org> <4E3BDA2A.3060500@typhon.org> Message-ID: On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 6:55 AM, jd wrote: > 2/ seems easy? I'm not sure how true this is. We've been talking about this upgrade for quite a while now, but it's not done yet. I'm not sure if the party in charge of the server is missing our discussion, has difficulties complying, or what, but I'm feeling pretty powerless to bring this about. > I'll create a new Github project which purpose is to migrate current > features from the Radiant CMS version (content, news feed, sidebar?) to a > static website generator. I'm definitely for a Git based approach. Eventually we're going to run into some deployment questions though and I worry those will have Radiant upgrade like problems. Still, if we can show we have a working solution, perhaps we can pester the right people for some progress. James Edward Gray II From james at graysoftinc.com Fri Aug 5 13:05:11 2011 From: james at graysoftinc.com (James Gray) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 08:05:11 -0500 Subject: [Vit-core] What about a summer refresh? In-Reply-To: References: <4E3908BF.9090704@typhon.org> <4E397076.3010801@typhon.org> <4E398B09.3010005@typhon.org> <4E39A2BE.6050506@typhon.org> <4E3BDA2A.3060500@typhon.org> Message-ID: On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 7:36 AM, Florian Gilcher wrote: > The is another thing I'd like add to the discussion (and I admit, I should have wrote this email 2 days ago): we should take this opportunity and decide on the scope of the site and our management strategy. > > As I already mentioned in the associated Hacker News post, I see another problem: there are actually a lot of great, independent resources for ruby that the site does a bad job at mentioning. We have multiple free books (like http://ruby.runpaint.org/ or the new "learn ruby the hard way"), multiple great, independent documentation sites, etc. Finding a way to put more effort into providing a site where you can find out about such projects would be great - but this would require constant revalidation of the content. Can we find a process to manage that? > If anyone is interested in that, I can come up with suggestions. I'm definitely willing to hear your suggestions, but I must admit I've very skeptical of our abilities to maintain information that grows stale. We have a terrible track record so far, which I am willing to accept most of the blame for. I think that's why a redesign seems attractive to me. I'm for simplifying the site overall to just what we need to maintain. I'm open to other ideas though. James Edward Gray II From jd at typhon.org Fri Aug 5 13:10:44 2011 From: jd at typhon.org (jd) Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2011 15:10:44 +0200 Subject: [Vit-core] What about a summer refresh? In-Reply-To: References: <4E3908BF.9090704@typhon.org> <4E397076.3010801@typhon.org> <4E398B09.3010005@typhon.org> <4E39A2BE.6050506@typhon.org> <4E3BDA2A.3060500@typhon.org> Message-ID: <4E3BEBD4.5010203@typhon.org> Le 05/08/2011 14:36, Florian Gilcher a ?crit : > Hi, > > I am much in favour of experimenting with 3/ - mainly because changes can easily be tracked by the editors - also, github can be easily set up to send commit notifications to the list. And it provides the ability to write test cases for links etc. :). Also, I really like pull requests for review. I am not sure about a redesign though - I actually like the current site, although it could be a bit more fluid. I do have a bit of a problem with a fully static site - it makes things like "upcoming events/passed events" a bit hard :). Nesta could be an option. > > The is another thing I'd like add to the discussion (and I admit, I should have wrote this email 2 days ago): we should take this opportunity and decide on the scope of the site and our management strategy. > > As I already mentioned in the associated Hacker News post, I see another problem: there are actually a lot of great, independent resources for ruby that the site does a bad job at mentioning. We have multiple free books (like http://ruby.runpaint.org/ or the new "learn ruby the hard way"), multiple great, independent documentation sites, etc. Finding a way to put more effort into providing a site where you can find out about such projects would be great - but this would require constant revalidation of the content. Can we find a process to manage that? > If anyone is interested in that, I can come up with suggestions. I tried nesta once and yes, it would fit our requirements, I guess. Jekyll and nesta provide quite similar features, under different mechanisms. As for the "dynamic" events, both provide dating metadata for news feed generation, so it should not be an issue as long as we don't want to turn into a super-calendar. Somehow Jekyll's more actively maintained (these days), and there are also far more plugins as far I can tell. We could try both though! You're well advised raising the content scope issue. I just created a thread about the news feed, but the whole content is concerned. I'd vote for widening our content scope, news included. Maybe the update/managment process could just be that of a cathedral workflow, granted a git-based website would allow for easy, cheap edition (public visibility, pull requests/patch?). Maybe we could formalize this a little providing edition guidelines in a "README" of some kind (as a README file section for github, a wiki page, a dedicated sidebar section on the website?). We also could strive to plan monthly "update day", looking for outdated content on the website and fresh content on the wild. What are your suggestions? From james at graysoftinc.com Fri Aug 5 13:11:20 2011 From: james at graysoftinc.com (James Gray) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 08:11:20 -0500 Subject: [Vit-core] About our news feed In-Reply-To: <4E3BE2BD.2050307@typhon.org> References: <4E3BE2BD.2050307@typhon.org> Message-ID: On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 7:31 AM, jd wrote: > Hi (again), > > Some people raised an "issue" with ruby-lang's news feed, stating it is > quite not as active as it could be. That is, they'd like to have more news > about the Ruby ecosystem on top of Ruby itself. This would mean news items > about major lib/project releases, ruby-core feedback, debates on major > implementation/roadmap issues, detailed review of Ruby releases (as > available on Ruby Inside for instance), major events feedback (conferences)? > All of this eventually increasing the news publication rate and widening its > scope. > > Is this something you would like to have on ruby-lang? The current news feed > restricts its scope to Ruby releases and security patches announcements only > (with some occasional news about conferences). I am personally fine with us turning it into a decent blog, but we definitely need volunteers for the effort. I'm wondering if we could get people to agree to be responsible for a day, or something like that. At least that would get us to a steady flow of information and there's always something to write about in Ruby land. In my opinion though, Radiant kind of sucks as a blog. Just try to find an article in our archived news list. James Edward Gray II From james at graysoftinc.com Fri Aug 5 13:23:05 2011 From: james at graysoftinc.com (James Gray) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 08:23:05 -0500 Subject: [Vit-core] editors, IDEs and others In-Reply-To: <20110805030341.195860@gmx.com> References: <20110805030341.195860@gmx.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 10:03 PM, Laszlo Kottyan wrote: > I edited the Documentation page added an? Editors and IDEs section and one > more item (APIdock) to references. This content seems pretty likely to become stale over time. We're currently discussing how we feel about that, but I don't see any reason we can't put it up as is for now. So I did. > One more thing for Downloads/About Implementations section > > * "Ruboto":http://ruboto.org/? is a JRuby based framework for writing > Android applications in Ruby. > It supports "libraries and generators for creating projects, classes, tests, > and more". This isn't really a Ruby implementation though, right? It's more a framework like Rails, if I understand correctly. I'm not sure I see where that fits in our current site. James Edward Gray II From james at graysoftinc.com Fri Aug 5 13:42:25 2011 From: james at graysoftinc.com (James Gray) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 08:42:25 -0500 Subject: [Vit-core] Updates to the Downloads Page In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 1:30 AM, Humza Yaqoob wrote: > I do think Steve has done a really good job at making the order of > things and the structure of the page more readable and immediately > useful. I definitely think this is the overall structure should be the > one that is merged; I agree that this is the way to go, but yes, we need to pick up your changes too. > * The addition of MagLev to the implementations list. Sure. > * In the RVM section, it could be noted that installing rubies is done > with `rvm install 1.9.2` and that it also supports the Ruby > implementations listed below. Also, the platforms > ?could be changed to Mac OS X, Linux, or other Unix-like operating > systems. (Some people might have some other obscure OS) Sounds fine. > * The fact that Debian and Ubuntu have seperate sections seems a bit > odd. (Although I didn't know that about getting Ruby 1.9.2 on apt-get) > Maybe all the Linux sections > ?should be merged in to one? It could note the apt-get and pacman > methods, but also say if you are using other Linux distros (as there > are probably a bajillion others) you > ?might want to install using RVM. Yeah, I think I'm fine with collapsing these. > * I use Mac OS X for a lot of my development, so that is probably the > most accurate of the bits I changed. In Steve's version, it uses `sudo > brew install`, however the Homebrew developers highly recommends to > never use `sudo` on the `brew` command. (I have never tried it, but I > think we should stay safe) I do use brew without sudo. It works great. Let's drop it. > As for using MacPorts as the other option, > I think that could be just removed. Mac OS X is one system, and for > new Rubyists being told you could use either can be confusing. (I was > really confused by the MacPorts and Fink thing when I first started) I agree that less options is better. Die-hard MacPorts fans speak up now, or I say it can go. :) > I think my article also covered the state of the system Ruby on OS X > versions quite well, and that can be important for making the > installations work without conflicting. Without the paragraph about > the articles (those would become quickly outdated), this could be the > Mac OS X section under "Package Management". The link to the MacOS > forge page could probably removed, but I don't really know how old > that is or what it is for. I agree this is a good section. The article links don't really bother me here. I mean, we have to add one every 18 months or so, right? Once on there, the information generally stays useful. Plus Downloads is one section of the site we always need to keep up to date. There's no escaping it. > * I have no idea how many people are on Solaris or OpenIndiana. Does > anyone think they are major enough to be included as a section? I've not had any personal experience with these systems in Rubyland, so they aren't important to me at least. How's that for terrible reasoning? :) > If we can come to an agreement on a couple of the problems, I'd be > happy to merge it all into one file if that's OK with everyone. Yeah, would you please take a stab at the merge and let us see what we think of that version? James Edward Gray II From jd at typhon.org Fri Aug 5 14:25:41 2011 From: jd at typhon.org (jd) Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2011 16:25:41 +0200 Subject: [Vit-core] What about a summer refresh? In-Reply-To: References: <4E3908BF.9090704@typhon.org> <4E397076.3010801@typhon.org> <4E398B09.3010005@typhon.org> <4E39A2BE.6050506@typhon.org> <4E3BDA2A.3060500@typhon.org> Message-ID: <4E3BFD65.2060103@typhon.org> Le 05/08/2011 14:44, Magnus Holm a ?crit : > Someone has already worked on this before though: > https://github.com/postmodern/www.ruby-lang.org Yes, although it uses branches for i18n, which I guess would result in merging-nightmare. It also uses a crawler to fetch our data and the templating migration is hand-made based on the DOM chuncks, which is not the best way to do it (we have access to our templates in Radiant and have a better vision of how it is plugged in ;). All in all we'd better start from scratch and do it right, IMO. From jd at typhon.org Fri Aug 5 14:27:39 2011 From: jd at typhon.org (jd) Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2011 16:27:39 +0200 Subject: [Vit-core] What about a summer refresh? In-Reply-To: References: <4E3908BF.9090704@typhon.org> <4E397076.3010801@typhon.org> <4E398B09.3010005@typhon.org> <4E39A2BE.6050506@typhon.org> <4E3BDA2A.3060500@typhon.org> Message-ID: <4E3BFDDB.3090705@typhon.org> Le 05/08/2011 15:00, James Gray a ?crit : > On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 6:55 AM, jd wrote: >> 2/ seems easy? > I'm not sure how true this is. We've been talking about this upgrade > for quite a while now, but it's not done yet. I'm not sure if the > party in charge of the server is missing our discussion, has > difficulties complying, or what, but I'm feeling pretty powerless to > bring this about. > >> I'll create a new Github project which purpose is to migrate current >> features from the Radiant CMS version (content, news feed, sidebar?) to a >> static website generator. > I'm definitely for a Git based approach. Eventually we're going to > run into some deployment questions though and I worry those will have > Radiant upgrade like problems. Still, if we can show we have a > working solution, perhaps we can pester the right people for some > progress. You put it well. No tech answer for a like, two years now? Powerless sums it up. We need to know who has access and tech contact, at least. We're not looking for "someone in charge", just a way to apply changes and act. Please :) From lkottyan at gmail.com Fri Aug 5 15:50:43 2011 From: lkottyan at gmail.com (Laszlo Kottyan) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 17:50:43 +0200 Subject: [Vit-core] editors, IDEs and others In-Reply-To: References: <20110805030341.195860@gmx.com> Message-ID: <20110805175043.1ddb65f0.lkottyan@gmail.com> On Fri, 5 Aug 2011 08:23:05 -0500 James Gray wrote: > On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 10:03 PM, Laszlo Kottyan wrote: > > I edited the Documentation page added an? Editors and IDEs section and one > > more item (APIdock) to references. > > This content seems pretty likely to become stale over time. We're > currently discussing how we feel about that, but I don't see any > reason we can't put it up as is for now. So I did. OK. > > One more thing for Downloads/About Implementations section > > > > * "Ruboto":http://ruboto.org/? is a JRuby based framework for writing > > Android applications in Ruby. > > It supports "libraries and generators for creating projects, classes, tests, > > and more". > > This isn't really a Ruby implementation though, right? It's more a > framework like Rails, if I understand correctly. > > I'm not sure I see where that fits in our current site. > > James Edward Gray II > _______________________________________________ > Vit-core mailing list > Vit-core at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/vit-core It is not really an implementation (based on JRuby) but it is probably the only working Ruby scripting solution on Android. If it is not fits in the current structure, I suggest to consider it later. Laszlo Kottyan From james at graysoftinc.com Fri Aug 5 16:01:23 2011 From: james at graysoftinc.com (James Gray) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:01:23 -0500 Subject: [Vit-core] editors, IDEs and others In-Reply-To: <20110805175043.1ddb65f0.lkottyan@gmail.com> References: <20110805030341.195860@gmx.com> <20110805175043.1ddb65f0.lkottyan@gmail.com> Message-ID: 2011/8/5 Laszlo Kottyan : > It is not really an implementation (based on JRuby) but it is probably the only working Ruby scripting solution on Android. > If it is not fits in the current structure, I suggest to consider it later. Yeah, let's see which direction the site goes in based on our current discussions. Maybe then we will better see where it belongs. James Edward Gray II From steve at steveklabnik.com Fri Aug 5 16:08:05 2011 From: steve at steveklabnik.com (Steve Klabnik) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 12:08:05 -0400 Subject: [Vit-core] Updates to the Downloads Page In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey everyone! Sorry, I was out for a bit. > * The addition of MagLev to the implementations list. I almost added it, but I wanted to shoot for a 'minimal set of changes' for my first draft. It should absolutely be on there. Also, it'd be nice to have the description explained by each maintainer of that particular Ruby. I changed the JRuby one to be how Headius describes it, and I'm gonna be getting a ping from one of the Rubininus guys about the description they'd like. > * In the RVM section, it could be noted that installing rubies is done > with `rvm install 1.9.2` and that it also supports the Ruby > implementations listed below. Absolutely. > Also, the platforms > ?could be changed to Mac OS X, Linux, or other Unix-like operating > systems. (Some people might have some other obscure OS) Sure. > * The fact that Debian and Ubuntu have seperate sections seems a bit > odd. (Although I didn't know that about getting Ruby 1.9.2 on apt-get) I originally thought they'd have different packages. It's quite possible in the future they'll have different versions and/or names, Ubuntu is not always the same... > In Steve's version, it uses `sudo > brew install`, however the Homebrew developers highly recommends to > never use `sudo` on the `brew` command. Honestly, I just forgot about this, and was in the habit of typing 'sudo' from the page above. :) I also agree MacPorts is dumb, but I didn't know if removing it was politically tenable. Again with the 'make minimal changes' :) > * I have no idea how many people are on Solaris or OpenIndiana. Does > anyone think they are major enough to be included as a section? See above about MacPorts. :) From james at graysoftinc.com Fri Aug 5 16:35:30 2011 From: james at graysoftinc.com (James Gray) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:35:30 -0500 Subject: [Vit-core] Updates to the Downloads Page In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Steve Klabnik wrote: >> * The fact that Debian and Ubuntu have seperate sections seems a bit >> odd. (Although I didn't know that about getting Ruby 1.9.2 on apt-get) > > I originally thought they'd have different packages. It's quite > possible in the future they'll have different versions and/or names, > Ubuntu is not always the same... We can always split them up if needed. James Edward Gray II From james at graysoftinc.com Fri Aug 5 16:45:20 2011 From: james at graysoftinc.com (James Gray) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:45:20 -0500 Subject: [Vit-core] The Download Page Message-ID: Philip: Here's the Textile for the page that you requested: -- Here you can get the latest Ruby distributions in your favorite flavor. The current stable version is 1.9.2. h3. Three Ways of Installing Ruby You can get a copy of Ruby in a variety of ways, and different people prefer each of the three methods for different reasons. Each will have a section below, but here's an overview: * *Compiling from Source* is the standard way that software has been delivered for many, many years. This will be most familiar to the largest number of software developers. * There are a few *third party tools* to install Ruby. These are often simpler for total newbies or the most advanced of users. * Finally, A few *package management system*s support Ruby. This will be most familiar to people who use one operating system for everything, and like to stick to those individual standards. Finally, if you want to run multiple versions of Ruby on the same machine, check the *third party tools* section and use rvm. It's by far the best way to accomplish that, unless you know exactly what you're doing. h3. Compiling Ruby ? Source code Installing from the source code is a great solution for when you are comfortable enough with your platform and perhaps need specific settings for your environment. It's also a good solution in the event that there are no other premade packages for your platform. If you have an issue compiling Ruby, consider using one of the third party tools in the next section. They may help you. * "Ruby 1.9.2-p290":http://ftp.ruby-lang.org/pub/ruby/1.9/ruby-1.9.2-p290.tar.gz (md5: 604da71839a6ae02b5b5b5e1b792d5eb) Stable (_recommended_) * "Ruby 1.9.3 preview1":http://ftp.ruby-lang.org/pub/ruby/1.9/ruby-1.9.3-preview1.tar.gz (md5: 0f0220be4cc7c51a82c1bd8f6a0969f3) * "Stable Snapshot":http://ftp.ruby-lang.org/pub/ruby/ruby-1.9-stable.tar.gz This is a tarball of the latest snapshot of the Stable branch. * "Nightly Snapshot":http://ftp.ruby-lang.org/pub/ruby/snapshot.tar.gz This is a tarball of whatever is in svn, made nightly. This may contain bugs or other issues, use at your own risk! For information about the Ruby Subversion and Git repositories, see our "Ruby Core":/en/community/ruby-core/ page. h3. Third Party Tools Many Rubyists use third-party tools to help them install Ruby. They confer various advantages, but are not officially supported. Their respective communities are very helpful, however. h4. RVM The most popular tool to install Ruby is *RVM*, for "Ruby Version Manager." Not only does it make installing Ruby incredibly easy, it also allows you to install and manage multiple copies of Ruby on your system, as well as multiple alternate implementations of Ruby. RVM is only available for Mac OS X, Linux, or any UNIX-like operating system. Windows users should check out "pik":https://github.com/vertiginous/pik for a similar project, or consider using RubyInstaller, described in the next section. As of this writing, as long as you have "git":http://git-scm.com/ installed, you can install RVM with: $ bash < <(curl -s https://rvm.beginrescueend.com/install/rvm) For the latest instructions on installing rvm, check out "the RVM installation page":https://rvm.beginrescueend.com/rvm/install/. Installing the latest Ruby version with RVM is simply done by typing @rvm install 1.9.2 at . RVM can also install most of the Ruby implementations listed below. To see all supported versions, type @rvm list known at . h4. RubyInstaller If you're on Windows, there's a great project to help you install Ruby: "RubyInstaller":http://rubyinstaller.org/. It gives you everything you need to set up a full Ruby development environment on Windows. To use RubyInstaller, download it from the "RubyInstaller download page":http://rubyinstaller.org/downloads/. Then just use the installer, and you're done! h3. Package Management Systems If you can't compile your own Ruby, and you don't want to use a third party tool, you can use your system's package manager to install Ruby. Certain members of the Ruby community feel very strongly that you should never use a package manager to install Ruby, and that you should use RVM instead. While the full list of pros and cons are outside of the scope of this page, the most basic reason is that most package managers have older versions of Ruby in their repositories. If you'd like to use the newest Ruby, make sure you use the correct package name, or use RVM instead. h4. Linux Debian GNU/Linux uses the apt package manager system. (So does Ubuntu.) You can use it like this: $ sudo apt-get install ruby1.9.1 Yes, this will install Ruby 1.9.2. It has a 'library compatibility version' of 1.9.1, hence the name. If you install the 'ruby' package, you'll get the older Ruby 1.8. Arch Linux uses a package manager named pacman. To get Ruby, just do this: $ sudo pacman -S ruby On other systems, RVM might be the right choice for you, or you can search the package repository for your Linux distro's manager. h4. Mac OS X Ruby 1.8.7 is fully supported in Mac OS X Lion as well as many popular Ruby gems (packages). For details, see the "Ruby wiki at MacOS Forge":http://trac.macosforge.org/projects/ruby/wiki. Mac OS X Tiger is packaged with version 1.8.2 of Ruby, and Leopard ships with 1.8.6, but, for those who haven't upgraded to Leopard, there are a number of options for installing the latest version of Ruby. Many people on Mac OS X use "Homebrew":http://mxcl.github.com/homebrew/ as a package manager. It's really easy to get Ruby: $ brew install ruby Also, since OS X is based on Unix, downloading and installing from the source is just as easy and effective as the other solutions. To help you with installation of new Ruby versions on OS X, it's probably a good idea to use RVM. Type @rvm notes@ for system-specific information. For a detailed look at installing Ruby (and Rails), Dan Benjamin's excellent articles "for Tiger":http://hivelogic.com/articles/ruby-rails-mongrel-mysql-osx, "for Leopard":http://hivelogic.com/articles/ruby-rails-leopard, and "for Snow Leopard":http://hivelogic.com/articles/compiling-ruby-rubygems-and-rails-on-snow-leopard/ will get you up and running very quickly. On Lion, "this article":http://intridea.com/2011/7/26/setting-up-ruby-dev-on-lion?blog=company can help you. h4. Ruby On Solaris and OpenIndiana Ruby 1.8.7 are available for Solaris 8 through Solaris 10 on "Sunfreeware":http://www.sunfreeware.com and Ruby 1.8.7 is available at "Blastwave":http://www.blastwave.org. Ruby 1.9.2p0 is also available at "Sunfreeware":http://www.sunfreeware.com, but this is outdated. Using RVM can get you the latest version of Rub 1.9.2. To install Ruby on "OpenIndiana":http://openindiana.org/, please use the "Image Packaging System, or IPS":http://opensolaris.org/os/project/pkg/ client. This will install the latest Ruby binaries and Rubygems directly from the OpenSolaris network repository for Ruby 1.9. It's easy: % pkg install runtime/ruby-18 Like before, RVM is a good way to obtain Ruby 1.9.2, the latest version. h3. Other Implementations of Ruby Ruby, as a language, has a few different implementations. This guide has been discussing the reference implementation, *MRI*, but there are also others. They are often useful in certain situations, provide extra integration to other languages or environments, or have special features that MRI doesn't. Here's a list: * "JRuby":http://jruby.org is Ruby atop the JVM (Java Virtual Machine), utilizing the JVM's optimizing JIT compilers, garbage collectors, concurrent threads, tool ecosystem, and vast collection of libraries. * "Rubinius":http://rubini.us is 'Ruby written in Ruby.' Built on top of LLVM, Rubinius sports a nifty virtual machine that other languages are being built on top of, too. * "MacRuby":http://www.macruby.org is a Ruby that's tightly integrated with Apple's Cocoa libraries for Mac OS X, allowing you to write desktop applications with ease. * "Cardinal":https://github.com/parrot/cardinal is a "Ruby compiler for "Parrot":http://parrot.org Virtual Machine" (Perl 6). * "IronRuby":http://www.ironruby.net is an implementation "tightly integrated with the .NET Framework". * "MagLev":http://ruby.gemstone.com is "a fast, stable, Ruby implementation with integrated object persistence and distributed shared cache". Some of those implementations, including MRI, follow the guidelines of "RubySpec":http://rubyspec.org, a "complete executable specification for the Ruby programming language". -- James Edward Gray II From steve at steveklabnik.com Fri Aug 5 16:41:27 2011 From: steve at steveklabnik.com (Steve Klabnik) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 12:41:27 -0400 Subject: [Vit-core] Updates to the Downloads Page In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oh, and I just got this from IRC: 2:25 < apeiros> steveklabnik: ping - suggestion for the ruby-lang downloads page. I think it should somehow be mentioned that package management systems sometimes split ruby into multiple packages, and that one should be aware of this? 12:25 < apeiros> notable example being apt 12:25 < steveklabnik> apeiros: okay. 12:25 < steveklabnik> hm 12:25 < steveklabnik> so, with apt, what _should_ be installed? 12:26 < apeiros> good question. I think the one people most often omit is ruby-dev 12:26 < apeiros> which is needed to install anything with a native extension 12:26 < steveklabnik> ahhh, that's a good point 12:26 < apeiros> others are open-ssl to get ruby with open-ssl support Dunno if that's worth it. From james at graysoftinc.com Fri Aug 5 16:49:22 2011 From: james at graysoftinc.com (James Gray) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:49:22 -0500 Subject: [Vit-core] Updates to the Downloads Page In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Steve Klabnik wrote: > Oh, and I just got this from IRC: > > 2:25 < apeiros> steveklabnik: ping - suggestion for the ruby-lang downloads > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? page. I think it should somehow be mentioned that package > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? management systems sometimes split ruby into multiple > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? packages, and that one should be aware of this? > 12:25 < apeiros> notable example being apt > 12:25 < steveklabnik> apeiros: okay. > 12:25 < steveklabnik> hm > 12:25 < steveklabnik> so, with apt, what _should_ be installed? > 12:26 < apeiros> good question. I think the one people most often omit is > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ruby-dev > 12:26 < apeiros> which is needed to install anything with a native extension > 12:26 < steveklabnik> ahhh, that's a good point > 12:26 < apeiros> others are open-ssl to get ruby with open-ssl support > > Dunno if that's worth it. That's a good point. However, the Debian team is in the process of improving that. I'm fine with whatever we want to add to it though. James Edward Gray II From james at graysoftinc.com Fri Aug 5 18:25:12 2011 From: james at graysoftinc.com (James Gray) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 13:25:12 -0500 Subject: [Vit-core] editors, IDEs and others In-Reply-To: <20110805175043.1ddb65f0.lkottyan@gmail.com> References: <20110805030341.195860@gmx.com> <20110805175043.1ddb65f0.lkottyan@gmail.com> Message-ID: 2011/8/5 Laszlo Kottyan : > It is not really an implementation (based on JRuby) but it is probably the only working Ruby scripting solution on Android. > If it is not fits in the current structure, I suggest to consider it later. You no where it would fit is on the Libraries page, along with Rails and several other things. That page could really use an overhaul too. Any interest in working on that? James Edward Gray II From h3rald at h3rald.com Fri Aug 5 18:29:27 2011 From: h3rald at h3rald.com (Fabio Cevasco) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 20:29:27 +0200 Subject: [Vit-core] What about a summer refresh? In-Reply-To: <4E3BFDDB.3090705@typhon.org> References: <4E3908BF.9090704@typhon.org> <4E397076.3010801@typhon.org> <4E398B09.3010005@typhon.org> <4E39A2BE.6050506@typhon.org> <4E3BDA2A.3060500@typhon.org> <4E3BFDDB.3090705@typhon.org> Message-ID: Hi everyone, Sorry for being kinda late to the party. The Italian translation of the web site is more or less up to date, meaning that it's up-to-date until things that were changed after hell broke loose (i.e. Peter's post), which caused a sudden spike of activity on this mailing list. For a while, I have been more or less the only one maintaining the Italian translation alive (I more or less lost contact with the other translators). I must say that my free time is getting more and more scarce as time goes on, and I think I'd better trying to spread the word to recruit a few more Italian translators. Anyhow, back to the whole "summer refresh" thing... Please switch to a static site generator! I am 100% in favor for this, especially if you opt for a git backend as well! On my personal web site (h3rald.com) I've been running nanoc (http://nanoc.stoneship.org/) for a while, and it has been GREAT: it is extremely flexible, powerful and... powered by Ruby. The only reason why I could understand choosing Jeckyll over it is because GitHub offers native support for it (if you still plan to host ruby-lang.orgon GitHub, that is). Personally, I think the current translation process is a pain. The only way I can know when a page has been updated is when someone mentions it on the mainling list (for existing changes) or when the RSS feed updates (for news, but that's OK I guess). If we go for git, at least we'd have a decent version history, and it would be possible to keep translations up-to-date more easily by monitoring, for example, changed within the "en" directory. Still, a CMS with *proper* multilingual support and the ability to check which pages needs to be updated would be a blessing, but they are rare to find in the open source world, especially Ruby-powered ones. Zena looked promising (http://zenadmin.org/en), but I don't know how stable it is. I don't know. I mean, it's obvious that ruby-lang must be updated, but I think the problem is more complex than it seems: updating an English-only web site would be relatively easy, but I am VERY worried about the whole translation business. Proposal: How about starting from scratch, focusing only on creating a *good* (and up-to-date) English-only web site? Real-world example: * Python.org >> Official Site * Python.it >> Official Italian Web site, with *original* and *local* content! Personally, I would be much happier and more motivated to contribute to an English-only web site rather than struggling to keep up-to-date with an Italian translation. Thoughts? Too drastic? Fabio Cevasco ======================= web: http://www.h3rald.com twitter: http://twitter.com/h3rald On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 4:27 PM, jd wrote: > Le 05/08/2011 15:00, James Gray a ?crit : > > On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 6:55 AM, jd wrote: >> >>> 2/ seems easy? >>> >> I'm not sure how true this is. We've been talking about this upgrade >> for quite a while now, but it's not done yet. I'm not sure if the >> party in charge of the server is missing our discussion, has >> difficulties complying, or what, but I'm feeling pretty powerless to >> bring this about. >> >> I'll create a new Github project which purpose is to migrate current >>> features from the Radiant CMS version (content, news feed, sidebar?) to a >>> static website generator. >>> >> I'm definitely for a Git based approach. Eventually we're going to >> run into some deployment questions though and I worry those will have >> Radiant upgrade like problems. Still, if we can show we have a >> working solution, perhaps we can pester the right people for some >> progress. >> > > You put it well. No tech answer for a like, two years now? Powerless sums > it up. > We need to know who has access and tech contact, at least. We're not > looking for "someone in charge", just a way to apply changes and act. Please > :) > > > ______________________________**_________________ > Vit-core mailing list > Vit-core at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/**listinfo/vit-core > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jd at typhon.org Fri Aug 5 19:57:39 2011 From: jd at typhon.org (jd) Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2011 21:57:39 +0200 Subject: [Vit-core] What about a summer refresh? In-Reply-To: References: <4E3908BF.9090704@typhon.org> <4E397076.3010801@typhon.org> <4E398B09.3010005@typhon.org> <4E39A2BE.6050506@typhon.org> <4E3BDA2A.3060500@typhon.org> <4E3BFDDB.3090705@typhon.org> Message-ID: <4E3C4B33.6020409@typhon.org> Le 05/08/2011 20:29, Fabio Cevasco a ?crit : > Hi everyone, > > [?] > > Thoughts? Too drastic? Nobody talked about hosting ruby-lang.org at Github :) While Jekyll originated from Github Pages, using it would be a matter of efficiency, not partnership. Frankly I dislike nanoc, but if you're willing to give it a try, why not! The important thing is: solving our two main issues (up-to-date content, easy i18n). I'll stick to Jekyll on my own attempt, because I think it is fit for the job while enforcing far less process, tools and "mindsets" than alternatives such as nanoc or gollum. As for the "i18n nightmare", once again, I'd propose seriously narrowing our translations range, based on their current (in)activity. With a git-based tracking, it shouldn't be too difficult to keep things synchronized as long as there are active translators monitoring the commits history. Humans are most often a big chunk of the issue :) So this would require a "contributors refresh" as well (hence the checking Curt Hibbs should do soon). From blaumag at gmail.com Fri Aug 5 20:07:32 2011 From: blaumag at gmail.com (Michel Martens) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 17:07:32 -0300 Subject: [Vit-core] What about a summer refresh? In-Reply-To: <4E3C4B33.6020409@typhon.org> References: <4E3908BF.9090704@typhon.org> <4E397076.3010801@typhon.org> <4E398B09.3010005@typhon.org> <4E39A2BE.6050506@typhon.org> <4E3BDA2A.3060500@typhon.org> <4E3BFDDB.3090705@typhon.org> <4E3C4B33.6020409@typhon.org> Message-ID: On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 4:57 PM, jd wrote: > Frankly I dislike nanoc, but if you're willing to give it a try, why not! > The important thing is: solving our two main issues (up-to-date content, > easy i18n). I'll stick to Jekyll on my own attempt, because I think it is > fit for the job while enforcing far less process, tools and "mindsets" than > alternatives such as nanoc or gollum. What if we use Sinatra or Cuba? The only example of a documentation site I can show is http://redis.io, which relies on two repositories: https://github.com/antirez/redis-io (the website) and https://github.com/antirez/redis-doc (the documentation in markdown and json). It has worked out very well so far. I say this because having a static website is not a constraint we have, but it will become a constraint with regards to what we can accomplish with the site. From me at pavelkalvoda.com Fri Aug 5 22:37:49 2011 From: me at pavelkalvoda.com (Pavel Kalvoda) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 00:37:49 +0200 Subject: [Vit-core] What about a summer refresh? In-Reply-To: References: <4E3908BF.9090704@typhon.org> <4E397076.3010801@typhon.org> <4E398B09.3010005@typhon.org> <4E39A2BE.6050506@typhon.org> <4E3BDA2A.3060500@typhon.org> <4E3BFDDB.3090705@typhon.org> <4E3C4B33.6020409@typhon.org> Message-ID: Hi, regarding the Czech translation - after discussion with several Czech Rubyists we have concluded that the Czech version of the site is an overkill. The local community is small and as my friend pointed out, there are virtually no people who could take advantage of the translation. I got carried away by a few people who thought having the site in Czech would be nice. But I didn't manage to find anyone who would help me and I can see no support nor demand. Though it is a big disappointment to me, I have to say I see no point in any further work on the Czech translation. Regards, Pavel On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 10:07 PM, Michel Martens wrote: > On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 4:57 PM, jd wrote: > > Frankly I dislike nanoc, but if you're willing to give it a try, why not! > > The important thing is: solving our two main issues (up-to-date content, > > easy i18n). I'll stick to Jekyll on my own attempt, because I think it is > > fit for the job while enforcing far less process, tools and "mindsets" > than > > alternatives such as nanoc or gollum. > > What if we use Sinatra or Cuba? The only example of a documentation > site I can show is http://redis.io, which relies on two repositories: > https://github.com/antirez/redis-io (the website) and > https://github.com/antirez/redis-doc (the documentation in markdown > and json). It has worked out very well so far. > > I say this because having a static website is not a constraint we > have, but it will become a constraint with regards to what we can > accomplish with the site. > _______________________________________________ > Vit-core mailing list > Vit-core at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/vit-core > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From curt.hibbs at gmail.com Sat Aug 6 05:48:02 2011 From: curt.hibbs at gmail.com (Curt Hibbs) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 00:48:02 -0500 Subject: [Vit-core] What about a summer refresh? In-Reply-To: <4E3C4B33.6020409@typhon.org> References: <4E3908BF.9090704@typhon.org> <4E397076.3010801@typhon.org> <4E398B09.3010005@typhon.org> <4E39A2BE.6050506@typhon.org> <4E3BDA2A.3060500@typhon.org> <4E3BFDDB.3090705@typhon.org> <4E3C4B33.6020409@typhon.org> Message-ID: Here's a dump of "database" of translation teams: Ruby-Lang.org Translation Teams Arabic * Kareem Abd-Elmageed - Leader * Ahmed Mahmoud * Ali Al-Sahaf * Fatma Hassan * Mohamed Zaher * Abdelrahman Ghanem * Ahmed Hazem * Hala Deeb * El Sayed Gamal Bulgarian * Mitko Kostov - Leader * Gergana Yalamova * Ivan Vasilev * Tihomir Georgiev Chinese * Wang Jinjing ? Leader * Xiao Zhou * Xpol Wan * Zhang Yao Czech * Pavel Kalvoda - Leader o 8/25/2010: "I've disabled whole Czech section. Unfortunately, I don't have much time and I still have nobody to help me." -Pavel * Original Czech team (they seemed to have abandoned the effort and disappeared): o Jakub ??astn? - Leader o Jakub Hegenbart o Jana Dvo??kov? o Ladislav Martin??k French * Jean-Denis Vauguet - Leader * Laurent Sansonetti * Laurent Richard * Bruno Michel German * Daniel Bovensiepen - Leader * Skade * Quintus Hungarian * Laszlo Kottyan, lkottyan, lkottyan at gmail.com - Leader * Gergely Laszlo, gregor, lk5cid at gmail.com * Gabor Nagy, ngabor, ng at geo.info.hu Indonesian * Arie Kusuma Atmaja ? Leader * Yohanes Santoso * Hendy Irawan Italian * Fabio Cevasco * Raul Parolari * Davide D'Agostino Korean * Bryan Kang - Leader * Junghyun Kim Norwegian * Magnus Holm * Bendik Lynghaug * Hans-Christian Fjeldberg Polish * Karol Hosiawa ? Leader * Krzysztof R?czkiewicz * Piotr Usewicz * Jaroslaw Zabiello * Rados?awm Bu?at (username: radarek; no email) * Micha? Olber ? username=orion Portuguese * Emanuel Mota * Francisco Cabrita * Pedro Sousa * Filipe Rocha * Og Maciel * Demetrius Nunes * Thomaz Leite Russian * Mike Shock (Mikhail Shokhirev) < mikhail at shokhirev.com> ? Leader Spanish * Michel Martens ? Leader * Manuel Aristar?n Turkish * ?mit Kayac?k * Niyazi Ate? On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 2:57 PM, jd wrote: > Le 05/08/2011 20:29, Fabio Cevasco a ?crit : > >> Hi everyone, >> >> [?] >> >> Thoughts? Too drastic? >> > > Nobody talked about hosting ruby-lang.org at Github :) While Jekyll > originated from Github Pages, using it would be a matter of efficiency, not > partnership. > > Frankly I dislike nanoc, but if you're willing to give it a try, why not! > The important thing is: solving our two main issues (up-to-date content, > easy i18n). I'll stick to Jekyll on my own attempt, because I think it is > fit for the job while enforcing far less process, tools and "mindsets" than > alternatives such as nanoc or gollum. > > As for the "i18n nightmare", once again, I'd propose seriously narrowing > our translations range, based on their current (in)activity. With a > git-based tracking, it shouldn't be too difficult to keep things > synchronized as long as there are active translators monitoring the commits > history. Humans are most often a big chunk of the issue :) So this would > require a "contributors refresh" as well (hence the checking Curt Hibbs > should do soon). > > > ______________________________**_________________ > Vit-core mailing list > Vit-core at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/**listinfo/vit-core > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I've also moved regularly updated information (ex: downloads) into _config.yml. There are some differences, primarily Jekyll does not handle building multiple sub-sites (/en/, /ja/, etc). I decided to make separate branches for each translation (https://github.com/postmodern/www.ruby-lang.org/tree/en). This would allow translation teams to work in parallel. I assume you could setup a post-commit hook to build individual jekyll sites from each translation branch. I am interested in handing this port over to the Visual Identity Team. --postmodern -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From jd at typhon.org Sat Aug 6 10:08:50 2011 From: jd at typhon.org (jd) Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 12:08:50 +0200 Subject: [Vit-core] What about a summer refresh? In-Reply-To: References: <4E3908BF.9090704@typhon.org> <4E397076.3010801@typhon.org> <4E398B09.3010005@typhon.org> <4E39A2BE.6050506@typhon.org> <4E3BDA2A.3060500@typhon.org> <4E3BFDDB.3090705@typhon.org> <4E3C4B33.6020409@typhon.org> Message-ID: <4E3D12B2.8000407@typhon.org> Le 06/08/2011 07:48, Curt Hibbs a ?crit : > Here's a dump of "database" of translation teams: Thank you Curt. We'll ping them all when we're ready to move on with an upgraded publishing process. From jd at typhon.org Sat Aug 6 10:12:55 2011 From: jd at typhon.org (jd) Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 12:12:55 +0200 Subject: [Vit-core] Help proposal to maintain french ruby-lang.org In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E3D13A7.5050800@typhon.org> Le 06/08/2011 08:52, shugo at ruby-lang.org a ?crit : > Hello! > > I would like to help maintaining the french version of ruby-lang.org. Who could I contact for that ? Bonjour, Je suis un des mainteneurs fran?ais. Nous sommes actuellement dans une phase de restructuration compl?te du site (outils, contenu, structuration?). La version fran?ais est bien maintenue, et objectivement, nous ne cherchons personne en plus ? ? plein temps ?. Par contre, suggestions et corrections sont toujours les bienvenues. Si tout se passe bien, nous devrions bient?t proposer un moyen plus simple et imm?diat de participer de fa?on occasionnelle. En attendant, si vous avez des remarques, vous pouvez les envoyer ? vit-core at rubyforge.org. Pour des ?ditions pr?cises, nous pouvons vous transmettre les templates des pages qui vous int?ressent. From jd at typhon.org Sat Aug 6 10:54:21 2011 From: jd at typhon.org (jd) Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 12:54:21 +0200 Subject: [Vit-core] jekyll port of www.ruby-lang.org In-Reply-To: <4E3D0C94.1070506@gmail.com> References: <4E3D0C94.1070506@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E3D1D5D.8080905@typhon.org> Le 06/08/2011 11:42, postmodern a ?crit : > Hello, > > After hearing about the poor state of http://www.ruby-lang.org, I > started working on a Jekyll/Markdown port of the site > (https://github.com/postmodern/www.ruby-lang.org). Currently I have > converted all of the English content to Markdown, and have made Jekyll > layouts that match the existing site. I've also moved regularly updated > information (ex: downloads) into _config.yml. > > There are some differences, primarily Jekyll does not handle building > multiple sub-sites (/en/, /ja/, etc). I decided to make separate > branches for each translation > (https://github.com/postmodern/www.ruby-lang.org/tree/en). This would > allow translation teams to work in parallel. I assume you could setup a > post-commit hook to build individual jekyll sites from each translation > branch. > > I am interested in handing this port over to the Visual Identity Team. Hi, We (active VIT members) have been discussing for a few days now, mainly about what to *do* with ruby-lang.org. Our two main options are: 1/ upgrade Radiant, stick to our workflow 2/ switch to a static-website generator, with (hopefully) a more open edition process It seems 2/ is quite popular, both among VIT and readers, for it would allow us to solve the two main issues at stake: content decay and translations (de)synchronization. The last point would benefit from a git-based approach. Upgrading Radiant may be fine (I pushed for it for quite a while now), but we came to realize this won't help solving those issues. We also don't plan (at least, it didn't occur in the last 5 years) to generate dynamic content or manage user accounts, hence static generation does fit our needs. So I started porting ruby-lang.org to Jekyll too! But with different choices than yours (and that's why I did not re-use your project, sorry for that!). * I'm using one branch only, because we don't want to found the translations synchronization process on merging. This is cumbersome and would prevent translators from easily diffing templates. So we'd rather use a KISS approach. This is made possible because? * I do use lang subdirectories (en/, ja/, fr/ ?), with locale auto-detection based on the url scheme (one can also set the locale in YAML front matters). "Routing" is the same than those of the current website. Jekyll's no support for this from the ground up, but it is quite easy to add thanks to liquid. Therefore, I have auto-localized nav, menus? * I use a hand-made Thor tasks set to generate and serve the jekyll instance, merge config keys and locales (i18n) files, monitoring Sass assets with Compass support, process files with Pygments, adding partials support and more? (ideas mostly taken from or written for Octopress). * I'm also redoing the CSS theme, using Octopress' default HTML5/CSS3 theme as the core basis. It just looks the same. But we may want to redesign, that's been discussed. It's been quite easy so far :) The deploy workflow is not clear right now but this shouldn't be too hard to find a good, automated pattern. I'll publish my work on github soon (today). So to sum it up, I looked at your work already, and chosed not to base my rework on it because I made different choices and integrations, not because it's a bad idea (all the contrary!) :) I also have direct access to Textile/Markdown templates, layouts files? so it is easier done from scratch, one chunk at a time, using the current Radiant backend. As for the general overhaul thingy, the idea is to check whether we can switch from a CMS to a git-based edition process. Maybe it won't do the trick. We'd use github as the repos, allowing for both forking and per-file live-pull requests. We'd provide guidelines about contributing, and hopefully, this would result in a greater website (up-to-date, more content, more news). That's the idea, now we're going to test it :) If you're interested in joining the effort, just drop your ideas here, or join the effort :) Thank you very much for taking the time to help us. From postmodern.mod3 at gmail.com Sat Aug 6 11:24:57 2011 From: postmodern.mod3 at gmail.com (postmodern) Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 04:24:57 -0700 Subject: [Vit-core] jekyll port of www.ruby-lang.org In-Reply-To: <4E3D1D5D.8080905@typhon.org> References: <4E3D0C94.1070506@gmail.com> <4E3D1D5D.8080905@typhon.org> Message-ID: <4E3D2489.70300@gmail.com> On 08/06/2011 03:54 AM, jd wrote: > Le 06/08/2011 11:42, postmodern a ?crit : >> Hello, >> >> After hearing about the poor state of http://www.ruby-lang.org, I >> started working on a Jekyll/Markdown port of the site >> (https://github.com/postmodern/www.ruby-lang.org). Currently I have >> converted all of the English content to Markdown, and have made Jekyll >> layouts that match the existing site. I've also moved regularly updated >> information (ex: downloads) into _config.yml. >> >> There are some differences, primarily Jekyll does not handle building >> multiple sub-sites (/en/, /ja/, etc). I decided to make separate >> branches for each translation >> (https://github.com/postmodern/www.ruby-lang.org/tree/en). This would >> allow translation teams to work in parallel. I assume you could setup a >> post-commit hook to build individual jekyll sites from each translation >> branch. >> >> I am interested in handing this port over to the Visual Identity Team. > > Hi, > > We (active VIT members) have been discussing for a few days now, > mainly about what to *do* with ruby-lang.org. Our two main options are: > 1/ upgrade Radiant, stick to our workflow > 2/ switch to a static-website generator, with (hopefully) a more open > edition process > > It seems 2/ is quite popular, both among VIT and readers, for it would > allow us to solve the two main issues at stake: content decay and > translations (de)synchronization. The last point would benefit from a > git-based approach. Upgrading Radiant may be fine (I pushed for it for > quite a while now), but we came to realize this won't help solving > those issues. We also don't plan (at least, it didn't occur in the > last 5 years) to generate dynamic content or manage user accounts, > hence static generation does fit our needs. So I started porting > ruby-lang.org to Jekyll too! But with different choices than yours > (and that's why I did not re-use your project, sorry for that!). > > * I'm using one branch only, because we don't want to found the > translations synchronization process on merging. This is cumbersome > and would prevent translators from easily diffing templates. So we'd > rather use a KISS approach. This is made possible because? The downside of having a single-branch with every translation, is that previewing the site becomes very intensive; especially with the pygments syntax highlighting enabled. I made sure to keep all static assets, layouts, includes in the master branch, so translation branches would just need to merge master. Another benefit of having multiple branches, is that minor changes to code examples or URLs can be cherry-picked across translation branches. > * I do use lang subdirectories (en/, ja/, fr/ ?), with locale > auto-detection based on the url scheme (one can also set the locale in > YAML front matters). "Routing" is the same than those of the current > website. Jekyll's no support for this from the ground up, but it is > quite easy to add thanks to liquid. Therefore, I have auto-localized > nav, menus? Ah I see. I assume you moved the javascripts/ and css/ directories to the top? > * I use a hand-made Thor tasks set to generate and serve the jekyll > instance, merge config keys and locales (i18n) files, monitoring Sass > assets with Compass support, process files with Pygments, adding > partials support and more? (ideas mostly taken from or written for > Octopress). > * I'm also redoing the CSS theme, using Octopress' default HTML5/CSS3 > theme as the core basis. It just looks the same. But we may want to > redesign, that's been discussed. > > It's been quite easy so far :) > > The deploy workflow is not clear right now but this shouldn't be too > hard to find a good, automated pattern. > > I'll publish my work on github soon (today). > > So to sum it up, I looked at your work already, and chosed not to base > my rework on it because I made different choices and integrations, not > because it's a bad idea (all the contrary!) :) I also have direct > access to Textile/Markdown templates, layouts files? so it is easier > done from scratch, one chunk at a time, using the current Radiant > backend. > > As for the general overhaul thingy, the idea is to check whether we > can switch from a CMS to a git-based edition process. Maybe it won't > do the trick. We'd use github as the repos, allowing for both forking > and per-file live-pull requests. We'd provide guidelines about > contributing, and hopefully, this would result in a greater website > (up-to-date, more content, more news). That's the idea, now we're > going to test it :) > > If you're interested in joining the effort, just drop your ideas here, > or join the effort :) > Thank you very much for taking the time to help us. Well, this was my attempt to join the effort, but it looks like your Jekyll port is already done and trumps mine. Is any of my work useful, or did I just waste the last couple days? Should I delete the repository to avoid confusing contributors? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Fabio Cevasco ======================= web: http://www.h3rald.com twitter: http://twitter.com/h3rald On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 1:24 PM, postmodern wrote: > On 08/06/2011 03:54 AM, jd wrote: > > Le 06/08/2011 11:42, postmodern a ?crit : > >> Hello, > >> > >> After hearing about the poor state of http://www.ruby-lang.org, I > >> started working on a Jekyll/Markdown port of the site > >> (https://github.com/postmodern/www.ruby-lang.org). Currently I have > >> converted all of the English content to Markdown, and have made Jekyll > >> layouts that match the existing site. I've also moved regularly updated > >> information (ex: downloads) into _config.yml. > >> > >> There are some differences, primarily Jekyll does not handle building > >> multiple sub-sites (/en/, /ja/, etc). I decided to make separate > >> branches for each translation > >> (https://github.com/postmodern/www.ruby-lang.org/tree/en). This would > >> allow translation teams to work in parallel. I assume you could setup a > >> post-commit hook to build individual jekyll sites from each translation > >> branch. > >> > >> I am interested in handing this port over to the Visual Identity Team. > > > > Hi, > > > > We (active VIT members) have been discussing for a few days now, > > mainly about what to *do* with ruby-lang.org. Our two main options are: > > 1/ upgrade Radiant, stick to our workflow > > 2/ switch to a static-website generator, with (hopefully) a more open > > edition process > > > > It seems 2/ is quite popular, both among VIT and readers, for it would > > allow us to solve the two main issues at stake: content decay and > > translations (de)synchronization. The last point would benefit from a > > git-based approach. Upgrading Radiant may be fine (I pushed for it for > > quite a while now), but we came to realize this won't help solving > > those issues. We also don't plan (at least, it didn't occur in the > > last 5 years) to generate dynamic content or manage user accounts, > > hence static generation does fit our needs. So I started porting > > ruby-lang.org to Jekyll too! But with different choices than yours > > (and that's why I did not re-use your project, sorry for that!). > > > > * I'm using one branch only, because we don't want to found the > > translations synchronization process on merging. This is cumbersome > > and would prevent translators from easily diffing templates. So we'd > > rather use a KISS approach. This is made possible because? > The downside of having a single-branch with every translation, is that > previewing the site becomes very intensive; especially with the pygments > syntax highlighting enabled. I made sure to keep all static assets, > layouts, includes in the master branch, so translation branches would > just need to merge master. Another benefit of having multiple branches, > is that minor changes to code examples or URLs can be cherry-picked > across translation branches. > > * I do use lang subdirectories (en/, ja/, fr/ ?), with locale > > auto-detection based on the url scheme (one can also set the locale in > > YAML front matters). "Routing" is the same than those of the current > > website. Jekyll's no support for this from the ground up, but it is > > quite easy to add thanks to liquid. Therefore, I have auto-localized > > nav, menus? > Ah I see. I assume you moved the javascripts/ and css/ directories to > the top? > > * I use a hand-made Thor tasks set to generate and serve the jekyll > > instance, merge config keys and locales (i18n) files, monitoring Sass > > assets with Compass support, process files with Pygments, adding > > partials support and more? (ideas mostly taken from or written for > > Octopress). > > * I'm also redoing the CSS theme, using Octopress' default HTML5/CSS3 > > theme as the core basis. It just looks the same. But we may want to > > redesign, that's been discussed. > > > > It's been quite easy so far :) > > > > The deploy workflow is not clear right now but this shouldn't be too > > hard to find a good, automated pattern. > > > > I'll publish my work on github soon (today). > > > > So to sum it up, I looked at your work already, and chosed not to base > > my rework on it because I made different choices and integrations, not > > because it's a bad idea (all the contrary!) :) I also have direct > > access to Textile/Markdown templates, layouts files? so it is easier > > done from scratch, one chunk at a time, using the current Radiant > > backend. > > > > As for the general overhaul thingy, the idea is to check whether we > > can switch from a CMS to a git-based edition process. Maybe it won't > > do the trick. We'd use github as the repos, allowing for both forking > > and per-file live-pull requests. We'd provide guidelines about > > contributing, and hopefully, this would result in a greater website > > (up-to-date, more content, more news). That's the idea, now we're > > going to test it :) > > > > If you're interested in joining the effort, just drop your ideas here, > > or join the effort :) > > Thank you very much for taking the time to help us. > Well, this was my attempt to join the effort, but it looks like your > Jekyll port is already done and trumps mine. Is any of my work useful, > or did I just waste the last couple days? Should I delete the repository > to avoid confusing contributors? > > > _______________________________________________ > Vit-core mailing list > Vit-core at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/vit-core > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I made sure to keep all static assets, > layouts, includes in the master branch, so translation branches would > just need to merge master. Another benefit of having multiple branches, > is that minor changes to code examples or URLs can be cherry-picked > across translation branches. I have Thor tasks to discard/integrate files which did not changed (manually for the moment, but this could be automated with some efforts). I also can disable pygments on preview mode. But really, my point here is that, using branches does not seem to help solving an issue, because there is not. It would require the maintainer(s) to perform merges/rebases, check more steps; and for translators, merging/rebasing master (or en) would not be *that* useful, considering the key features for lang sync are diffing files for inspection and files history, not merging (the whole point being not to merge yaml code, but pages' semantic content, in several different languages). All in all, I really think lang-branches would complicate the whole process for no real gain, but a better preview perf. A hot-fix branch for shared, cherry-pick edits is a good idea (topic branches, that is). >> * I do use lang subdirectories (en/, ja/, fr/ ?), with locale >> auto-detection based on the url scheme (one can also set the locale in >> YAML front matters). "Routing" is the same than those of the current >> website. Jekyll's no support for this from the ground up, but it is >> quite easy to add thanks to liquid. Therefore, I have auto-localized >> nav, menus? > Ah I see. I assume you moved the javascripts/ and css/ directories to > the top? Along special _directories, yes. >> If you're interested in joining the effort, just drop your ideas here, >> or join the effort :) >> Thank you very much for taking the time to help us. > Well, this was my attempt to join the effort, but it looks like your > Jekyll port is already done and trumps mine. Is any of my work useful, > or did I just waste the last couple days? Should I delete the repository > to avoid confusing contributors? No, your work is not to be wasted. We can reuse all the markdown ports you made! So please, no, don't delete! Would you be ok with us reusing some parts of your port to speed things up? Obviously, the new website will have a Credits page (many people showed up in the last days). From jd at typhon.org Sat Aug 6 12:29:32 2011 From: jd at typhon.org (jd) Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 14:29:32 +0200 Subject: [Vit-core] jekyll port of www.ruby-lang.org In-Reply-To: References: <4E3D0C94.1070506@gmail.com> <4E3D1D5D.8080905@typhon.org> <4E3D2489.70300@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E3D33AC.2030906@typhon.org> Le 06/08/2011 14:09, Fabio Cevasco a ?crit : > We should really focus our efforts on ONE project! > > So far, as I can see, two people ported ruby-lang.org > to Jekyll, and also this new web site popped > up: http://rubylang.info/. Anything else? > > I'd like to thank the folks who are taking initiative, but... if > anyone in this mailing list wants to contribute some content, where > should they do so? I think the first two ports (postmodern's and mine) will "merge" somehow, let's see what postmodern will tell us. The last one (.info) looks nice, it is en-only, and focus on linking to third-party websites, which is an interesting idea. But maybe that's not what we want. I also find a little weird their choice not to alert us, but fair enough, people are trying things :) It will eventually re-focus, but maybe it's time to make a public statement on the current ruby-lang.org? About current initiatives and "plans". -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jd at typhon.org Sat Aug 6 12:39:11 2011 From: jd at typhon.org (jd) Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 14:39:11 +0200 Subject: [Vit-core] jekyll port of www.ruby-lang.org In-Reply-To: <4E3D33AC.2030906@typhon.org> References: <4E3D0C94.1070506@gmail.com> <4E3D1D5D.8080905@typhon.org> <4E3D2489.70300@gmail.com> <4E3D33AC.2030906@typhon.org> Message-ID: <4E3D35EF.2040906@typhon.org> Le 06/08/2011 14:29, jd a ?crit : > Le 06/08/2011 14:09, Fabio Cevasco a ?crit : >> We should really focus our efforts on ONE project! >> >> So far, as I can see, two people ported ruby-lang.org >> to Jekyll, and also this new web site popped >> up: http://rubylang.info/. Anything else? >> >> I'd like to thank the folks who are taking initiative, but... if >> anyone in this mailing list wants to contribute some content, where >> should they do so? > > I think the first two ports (postmodern's and mine) will "merge" > somehow, let's see what postmodern will tell us. The last one (.info) > looks nice, it is en-only, and focus on linking to third-party > websites, which is an interesting idea. But maybe that's not what we > want. I also find a little weird their choice not to alert us, but > fair enough, people are trying things :) > It will eventually re-focus, but maybe it's time to make a public > statement on the current ruby-lang.org? About current initiatives and > "plans". I contacted the rubylang.info guys here: https://github.com/rubylang/rubylang.github.com/issues/4 Feel free to join the discussion, whether supportive or not :p -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From postmodern.mod3 at gmail.com Sat Aug 6 12:54:42 2011 From: postmodern.mod3 at gmail.com (postmodern) Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 05:54:42 -0700 Subject: [Vit-core] Fwd: Re: jekyll port of www.ruby-lang.org In-Reply-To: <4E3D30DC.2010704@typhon.org> References: <4E3D30DC.2010704@typhon.org> Message-ID: <4E3D3992.8040306@gmail.com> On 08/06/2011 05:17 AM, jd wrote: > Forgot to hit Reply *all* :) > > -------- Message original -------- > Sujet: Re: [Vit-core] jekyll port of www.ruby-lang.org > Date : Sat, 06 Aug 2011 14:16:26 +0200 > De : jd > Pour : vit-core at rubyforge.org > > > > Le 06/08/2011 13:24, postmodern a ?crit : > > On 08/06/2011 03:54 AM, jd wrote: > >> * I'm using one branch only, because we don't want to found the > >> translations synchronization process on merging. This is cumbersome > >> and would prevent translators from easily diffing templates. So we'd > >> rather use a KISS approach. This is made possible because? > > The downside of having a single-branch with every translation, is that > > previewing the site becomes very intensive; especially with the pygments > > syntax highlighting enabled. I made sure to keep all static assets, > > layouts, includes in the master branch, so translation branches would > > just need to merge master. Another benefit of having multiple branches, > > is that minor changes to code examples or URLs can be cherry-picked > > across translation branches. > > I have Thor tasks to discard/integrate files which did not changed > (manually for the moment, but this could be automated with some efforts). > I also can disable pygments on preview mode. > > But really, my point here is that, using branches does not seem to help > solving an issue, because there is not. It would require the > maintainer(s) to perform merges/rebases, check more steps; and for > translators, merging/rebasing master (or en) would not be *that* useful, > considering the key features for lang sync are diffing files for > inspection and files history, not merging (the whole point being not to > merge yaml code, but pages' semantic content, in several different > languages). All in all, I really think lang-branches would complicate > the whole process for no real gain, but a better preview perf. A hot-fix > branch for shared, cherry-pick edits is a good idea (topic branches, > that is). Ah good points. > > >> * I do use lang subdirectories (en/, ja/, fr/ ?), with locale > >> auto-detection based on the url scheme (one can also set the locale in > >> YAML front matters). "Routing" is the same than those of the current > >> website. Jekyll's no support for this from the ground up, but it is > >> quite easy to add thanks to liquid. Therefore, I have auto-localized > >> nav, menus? > > Ah I see. I assume you moved the javascripts/ and css/ directories to > > the top? > > Along special _directories, yes. > > >> If you're interested in joining the effort, just drop your ideas here, > >> or join the effort :) > >> Thank you very much for taking the time to help us. > > Well, this was my attempt to join the effort, but it looks like your > > Jekyll port is already done and trumps mine. Is any of my work useful, > > or did I just waste the last couple days? Should I delete the repository > > to avoid confusing contributors? > No, your work is not to be wasted. We can reuse all the markdown ports > you made! So please, no, don't delete! Would you be ok with us reusing > some parts of your port to speed things up? > Obviously, the new website will have a Credits page (many people showed > up in the last days). Ah ha. Yeah feel free to copy out the English Markdown. I could try to better automate the process of scraping the HTML with Spidr and passing it through Kramdown. I started manually converting the HTML to Markdown, then switched to `kramdown -i html -o kramdown index.html > index.md` plus some manual editing. I did notice the JA and Korean HTML was all escaped HTML entities, will have to decode that back into Unicode. Once the repository is up, I'd be interested in replacing the random code examples and Top Projects with JavaScript. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jd at typhon.org Sat Aug 6 13:35:55 2011 From: jd at typhon.org (jd) Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 15:35:55 +0200 Subject: [Vit-core] Fwd: Re: jekyll port of www.ruby-lang.org In-Reply-To: <4E3D3992.8040306@gmail.com> References: <4E3D30DC.2010704@typhon.org> <4E3D3992.8040306@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E3D433B.8040309@typhon.org> Le 06/08/2011 14:54, postmodern a ?crit : > Once the repository is up, I'd be interested in replacing the random > code examples and Top Projects with JavaScript. Nice, thank you. I plan to publish my repos tonight or tomorrow. There are several things I want to have up and running before merging (hopefully) incoming pull requests, otherwise it'll turn into a giant mess in less than 2 hours :) When this is available, feel free to update content boldly. From flo at andersground.net Sat Aug 6 13:58:28 2011 From: flo at andersground.net (Florian Gilcher) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 15:58:28 +0200 Subject: [Vit-core] ruby-lang.org Content (was: What about a summer refresh?) In-Reply-To: References: <4E3908BF.9090704@typhon.org> <4E397076.3010801@typhon.org> <4E398B09.3010005@typhon.org> <4E39A2BE.6050506@typhon.org> <4E3BDA2A.3060500@typhon.org> Message-ID: <937FB945-8451-41AC-ABBA-FB994C4F7436@andersground.net> On Aug 5, 2011, at 3:05 PM, James Gray wrote: > On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 7:36 AM, Florian Gilcher wrote: >> The is another thing I'd like add to the discussion (and I admit, I should have wrote this email 2 days ago): we should take this opportunity and decide on the scope of the site and our management strategy. >> >> As I already mentioned in the associated Hacker News post, I see another problem: there are actually a lot of great, independent resources for ruby that the site does a bad job at mentioning. We have multiple free books (like http://ruby.runpaint.org/ or the new "learn ruby the hard way"), multiple great, independent documentation sites, etc. Finding a way to put more effort into providing a site where you can find out about such projects would be great - but this would require constant revalidation of the content. Can we find a process to manage that? >> If anyone is interested in that, I can come up with suggestions. > > I'm definitely willing to hear your suggestions, but I must admit I've > very skeptical of our abilities to maintain information that grows > stale. We have a terrible track record so far, which I am willing to > accept most of the blame for. > > I think that's why a redesign seems attractive to me. I'm for > simplifying the site overall to just what we need to maintain. > > I'm open to other ideas though. > > James Edward Gray II Hi James and others, sorry for the late reply again. I don't think we should should aim put more (administrated) content on the site, I think we should re-think what we want on the site. My first two suggestions would be: * Creation of a "content-map". Basically a "internal" (as in: not on the website) document that states what should and what can be on the site in any of its localized versions. For example, I would leave it open to the localized teams to have a "german conferences" page and decide to kill it if it has no content. But any translated site should inform about all new Ruby versions. This should also contain Guidelines about what can be written in each stream of content (for example, I would enjoy if JRuby releases were featured on the site too). This should make it easier for newcomers to know the scope of the site. During this process, I would also like to talk about new categories or removal of old ones. This "map" could also be used to make new suggestions. * Constant rechecking: we should have a regular date at which the teams should recheck the site - are links still correct, are there better ones available? By assigning a binding date to all teams, it should make it easier for maintainers to follow their duties. Maybe we should assign those dates long in advance and have one of the teams to be in charge moderating it each time. Regards, Florian From james at graysoftinc.com Sat Aug 6 14:23:36 2011 From: james at graysoftinc.com (James Gray) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 09:23:36 -0500 Subject: [Vit-core] ruby-lang.org Content (was: What about a summer refresh?) In-Reply-To: <937FB945-8451-41AC-ABBA-FB994C4F7436@andersground.net> References: <4E3908BF.9090704@typhon.org> <4E397076.3010801@typhon.org> <4E398B09.3010005@typhon.org> <4E39A2BE.6050506@typhon.org> <4E3BDA2A.3060500@typhon.org> <937FB945-8451-41AC-ABBA-FB994C4F7436@andersground.net> Message-ID: On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Florian Gilcher wrote: > > I don't think we should should aim put more (administrated) content on the site, I think we should re-think what we want on the site. Ah, I see. OK, that makes sense. James Edward Gray II From shugo at ruby-lang.org Sat Aug 6 15:12:19 2011 From: shugo at ruby-lang.org (shugo at ruby-lang.org) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 08:12:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Vit-core] Fw: Kindly open the attachment And contact your claim agent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1312643539.52088.YahooMailRC@web181014.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: http://twitter.com/#!/JakeGoulding/status/99919738225950720 From james at graysoftinc.com Sat Aug 6 20:05:06 2011 From: james at graysoftinc.com (James Gray) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 15:05:06 -0500 Subject: [Vit-core] one more download page edit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 2:04 PM, wrote: > Wayne made a good point to me, on IRC. Can we add this to the section > about Windows and RubyInstaller? > > If you are installing Ruby in order to use Rails, you should use > "RailsInstaller":http://railsinstaller.org/ which uses RubyInstaller > but gives you extra tools that help with Rails development. > > Thanks. Done. James Edward Gray II From james at graysoftinc.com Sat Aug 6 20:08:35 2011 From: james at graysoftinc.com (James Gray) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 15:08:35 -0500 Subject: [Vit-core] Typo! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 2:22 PM, wrote: > http://twitter.com/#!/JakeGoulding/status/99919738225950720 Fixed. James Edward Gray II From shugo at ruby-lang.org Sat Aug 6 21:12:05 2011 From: shugo at ruby-lang.org (shugo at ruby-lang.org) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 23:12:05 +0200 Subject: [Vit-core] Top Ruby Projects Suggestion: Metasploit Message-ID: <4E3DAE25.2030008@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de> Hi James, thanks for reworking the site! If you want I could help and look through all the "top ruby projects" and see which weren't updated in a long time. The main reason I write you is because I'd suggest to add Metasploit (http://www.metasploit.com/) to the top ruby projects list. "*The Metasploit? Framework is a free, open source penetration testing solution developed by the open source community & Rapid7." *Back when I pondered which scripting language to look into a bit more I settled with Ruby Metasploit and Rails were the two main projects motivating this choice. Have a great sunday! Tobi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This is a list of the 30 most downloaded Ruby projects (according to RubyForge).

Rank Project Downloads

View the full list of the top 100 downloads at RubyForge…

-- > The main reason I write you is because I'd suggest to add Metasploit > (http://www.metasploit.com/) to the top ruby projects list. "The Metasploit? > Framework is a free, open source penetration testing solution developed by > the open source community & Rapid7." It is on the site, in a different location, just FYI: http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/documentation/success-stories/ James Edward Gray II From postmodern.mod3 at gmail.com Sat Aug 6 23:15:04 2011 From: postmodern.mod3 at gmail.com (postmodern) Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 16:15:04 -0700 Subject: [Vit-core] jekyll port of www.ruby-lang.org In-Reply-To: <4E3D433B.8040309@typhon.org> References: <4E3D30DC.2010704@typhon.org> <4E3D3992.8040306@gmail.com> <4E3D433B.8040309@typhon.org> Message-ID: <4E3DCAF8.5050700@gmail.com> I just saw the new http://rubylang.info/ which Peter Cooper announced on RubyFlow. The site looks alright design wise (kind of goofy imho wrt readability). The site is lacking 90% of the content from http://ruby-lang.org/ and is English only. I'm not sure why they didn't find my fork and borrow the markdown content. This is a transparency issue, few people know about this mailing list or what "vit-core" means. Everyday that the official repository for the site isn't available, it encourages forks and splintering. Merging all of the forks back together might get difficult and result in some hurt feelings. Please, jd post your fork. :) Also, will I need to add "lang: en" to the YAML headers for all of my pages? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Everyday that the official repository for the > site isn't available, it encourages forks and splintering. Merging all > of the forks back together might get difficult and result in some hurt > feelings. Please, jd post your fork. :) I'm currently doing so :) > Also, will I need to add "lang: en" to the YAML headers for all of my pages? No. From jd at typhon.org Sun Aug 7 01:05:46 2011 From: jd at typhon.org (jd) Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 03:05:46 +0200 Subject: [Vit-core] jekyll port of www.ruby-lang.org In-Reply-To: <4E3DCAF8.5050700@gmail.com> References: <4E3D30DC.2010704@typhon.org> <4E3D3992.8040306@gmail.com> <4E3D433B.8040309@typhon.org> <4E3DCAF8.5050700@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E3DE4EA.7020104@typhon.org> Hi, So here's the thing: https://github.com/chikamichi/ruby-lang.org It lacks most of the current content, even the homepage, but the structure is ready! And it was the most important part to achieve, before filling content. The README on the project's page gives a few instructions on how to have this running on your local machine. I'm tired so I won't go into much more details right now :) From jd at typhon.org Sun Aug 7 05:27:14 2011 From: jd at typhon.org (jd) Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 07:27:14 +0200 Subject: [Vit-core] jekyll port of www.ruby-lang.org In-Reply-To: <4E3DE4EA.7020104@typhon.org> References: <4E3D30DC.2010704@typhon.org> <4E3D3992.8040306@gmail.com> <4E3D433B.8040309@typhon.org> <4E3DCAF8.5050700@gmail.com> <4E3DE4EA.7020104@typhon.org> Message-ID: <4E3E2232.6070808@typhon.org> Le 07/08/2011 03:05, jd a ?crit : > Hi, > > So here's the thing: https://github.com/chikamichi/ruby-lang.org > Examples: http://rubylang.info/ruby-lang.org/en/about/ http://rubylang.info/ruby-lang.org/fr/about/ From judofyr at gmail.com Sun Aug 7 13:01:31 2011 From: judofyr at gmail.com (Magnus Holm) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 15:01:31 +0200 Subject: [Vit-core] Help out with the next version of ruby-lang.org Message-ID: https://github.com/rubylang/ruby-lang.org Vit-core (visual identity team, which maintains ruby-lang.org) has decided to switch to a GitHub-based approach for maintaining ruby-lang.org. We're currently working on moving all content from the previous site (and porting it to Markdown) so there's not much to do yet, but we *do* have some important decisions to take and I welcome all of you to take a part in the discussion. So, once again: https://github.com/rubylang/ruby-lang.org. Improve it, fork it, open issues, send pull requests and help us make a better ruby-lang.org! (FYI: you can subscribe and the read archives of the vit-core mailing list at http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/vit-core) // Magnus Holm From jd at typhon.org Sun Aug 7 14:05:56 2011 From: jd at typhon.org (jd) Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 16:05:56 +0200 Subject: [Vit-core] Help out with the next version of ruby-lang.org In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E3E9BC4.7040305@typhon.org> Le 07/08/2011 15:01, Magnus Holm a ?crit : > https://github.com/rubylang/ruby-lang.org > > Vit-core (visual identity team, which maintains ruby-lang.org) has > decided to switch to a GitHub-based approach for maintaining > ruby-lang.org. We're currently working on moving all content from the > previous site (and porting it to Markdown) so there's not much to do > yet, but we *do* have some important decisions to take and I welcome > all of you to take a part in the discussion. > > So, once again: https://github.com/rubylang/ruby-lang.org. Improve it, > fork it, open issues, send pull requests and help us make a better > ruby-lang.org! > > (FYI: you can subscribe and the read archives of the vit-core mailing > list at http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/vit-core) Thank you Magnus. You summed it up quite well: the most effective way to help right now is by giving your point of view and making suggestions, on all kind of topics: content, organization, design, deploy process? One topic at a time, we should then be able to merge good ideas and produce good content out of it. Thanks to a new open process based on pull requests, it should be quite easy. One can even perform live edits once commit rights are granted! Jean-Denis Vauguet From alex at stinky.com Sun Aug 7 20:04:44 2011 From: alex at stinky.com (Alex Chaffee) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 13:04:44 -0700 Subject: [Vit-core] Help out with the next version of ruby-lang.org In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This sounds great. I've been using Markdown as a source file format for all my static content [1] and it's been a joy, especially in combination with Showoff for slides and Erector for web pages. But Markdown isn't perfect. There are several gaps and ambiguities in the language, and often you have to insert raw HTML, which sucks. At the suggestion of some colleagues at an open source teaching company [2] I've been looking into using AsciiDoc instead. Before you get too far into your porting process you should probably evaluate it as an alternative to Markdown. In addition to the richer and saner syntax, one thing AsciiDoc has over Markdown is that there seem to be more professional publishing companies that use it (e.g. O'Reilly) so there's a good tool chain for converting AsciiDoc into DocBook, PDF, etc. To be clear, this isn't a full-throated endorsement, but I'm strongly considering making the leap and I'd love to hear your opinions and experiences, and share mine. - Alex [1] my teaching projects, mostly in markdown https://github.com/alexch/ruby_notes https://github.com/alexch/workshop https://github.com/ultrasaurus/test-first-teaching [2] Marakana does corporate training and makes all their materials available open source in a variety of formats; they mostly use AsciiDoc for source files. http://marakana.com -- Alex Chaffee - alex at stinky.com - http://alexch.github.com Stalk me: http://friendfeed.com/alexch | http://twitter.com/alexch | http://alexch.tumblr.com From shugo at ruby-lang.org Sun Aug 7 23:15:37 2011 From: shugo at ruby-lang.org (shugo at ruby-lang.org) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 01:15:37 +0200 Subject: [Vit-core] RuPy 2011 announce Message-ID: To whom it may concern, My name is Piotr Tynecki and I am the one of the organizers RuPy 2011 conference. Two years ago, ruby-lang.org (and polish content) has helped us in promotion our initiative, adding a short news about the conference (open registration) on site. Is it possible to repeat this treatment, update Ruby Conferences, plus a message on your twitter account? We will really appreciate your help and support. We have prepared a brief message for you. *Twitter:* RuPy 2011 - 14-16th October, Poznan Poland :: http://rupy.eu Second batch of registration is open :: http://bit.ly/otY5rH #python #ruby *Home page:* *RuPy 2011 Registration Open!* RuPy 2011, the fourth edition of this unique event is taking place between 14-16th October, in Poznan, Poland. Check our web site: rupy.eu Adapt them to your needs. I look forward to hearing from you. Yours faithfully, *Piotr Tynecki* *Polish Python Coders Group * -- Piotr Tynecki piotr at tynecki.pl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Congratulations for the initiative! >> >> Best regards, >> >> Rodrigo. >> >> Em 07-08-2011 10:01, Magnus Holm escreveu: >>> https://github.com/rubylang/ruby-lang.org >>> >>> Vit-core (visual identity team, which maintains ruby-lang.org) has >>> decided to switch to a GitHub-based approach for maintaining >>> ruby-lang.org. We're currently working on moving all content from the >>> previous site (and porting it to Markdown) so there's not much to do >>> yet, but we *do* have some important decisions to take and I welcome >>> all of you to take a part in the discussion. >>> >>> So, once again: https://github.com/rubylang/ruby-lang.org. Improve it, >>> fork it, open issues, send pull requests and help us make a better >>> ruby-lang.org! >>> >>> (FYI: you can subscribe and the read archives of the vit-core mailing >>> list at http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/vit-core) >>> >>> // Magnus Holm >> > > > > From shugo at ruby-lang.org Mon Aug 8 09:44:03 2011 From: shugo at ruby-lang.org (shugo at ruby-lang.org) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 15:44:03 +0600 Subject: [Vit-core] bug on site Message-ID: <4E3FAFE3.7090007@gmail.com> http://preview.ruby-lang.org/ru/documentation/quickstart/3/ irb(main):038:0> g. at name SyntaxError: compile error (irb):52: syntax error from (irb):52 why 52? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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James Edward Gray II From james at graysoftinc.com Mon Aug 8 13:48:28 2011 From: james at graysoftinc.com (James Gray) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 08:48:28 -0500 Subject: [Vit-core] [ruby-core:38839] Re: Help out with the next version of ruby-lang.org In-Reply-To: <4E3F482D.5020306@ruby-lang.org> References: <4E3E930F.6010705@gmail.com> <4E3EEA98.3070801@gmail.com> <4E3F482D.5020306@ruby-lang.org> Message-ID: On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 9:21 PM, Urabe Shyouhei wrote: > Hi, I'm the one who has that account. ?I can offer the namespace so > please contact me if you need. Yes, can we please move the site project to that account? I'm getting hate mail because we didn't do that. :) James Edward Gray II From jd at typhon.org Mon Aug 8 13:55:31 2011 From: jd at typhon.org (jd) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 15:55:31 +0200 Subject: [Vit-core] [ruby-core:38852] Re: Re: Help out with the next version of ruby-lang.org In-Reply-To: References: <4E3E930F.6010705@gmail.com> <4E3EEA98.3070801@gmail.com> <4E3F482D.5020306@ruby-lang.org> Message-ID: <4E3FEAD3.8000301@typhon.org> Le 08/08/2011 15:48, James Gray a ?crit : > On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 9:21 PM, Urabe Shyouhei wrote: >> Hi, I'm the one who has that account. I can offer the namespace so >> please contact me if you need. > Yes, can we please move the site project to that account? I'm getting > hate mail because we didn't do that. :) I asked Urabe Shyouhei, waiting for him to reply. From jd at typhon.org Tue Aug 9 09:02:20 2011 From: jd at typhon.org (jd) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 11:02:20 +0200 Subject: [Vit-core] [ruby-core:38839] Re: Help out with the next version of ruby-lang.org In-Reply-To: <4E3F482D.5020306@ruby-lang.org> References: <4E3E930F.6010705@gmail.com> <4E3EEA98.3070801@gmail.com> <4E3F482D.5020306@ruby-lang.org> Message-ID: <4E40F79C.3080209@typhon.org> Le 08/08/2011 04:21, Urabe Shyouhei a ?crit : > Hi, I'm the one who has that account. I can offer the namespace so > please contact me if you need. Hi Urabe, this seems like a good idea. Would you create a new team, and I'd push the code asap? From jd at typhon.org Tue Aug 9 13:30:44 2011 From: jd at typhon.org (jd) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 15:30:44 +0200 Subject: [Vit-core] Help out with the next version of ruby-lang.org In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E413684.2010001@typhon.org> Hi, The project has been moved to https://github.com/ruby/ruby-lang.org. Preview is available at http://ruby.github.com/ruby-lang.org (maybe we could get a beta.ruby-lang.org or something). There are on-going debates about content, design, structure? at https://github.com/ruby/ruby-lang.org/issues?sort=created&direction=desc&state=open, feel free to investigate. Thank you! From shugo at ruby-lang.org Tue Aug 9 17:48:48 2011 From: shugo at ruby-lang.org (shugo at ruby-lang.org) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 10:48:48 -0700 Subject: [Vit-core] ruby-talk is no longer mirrored to comp.lang.ruby Message-ID: <01804B6F1D74DE41819D69F2866C60EF50F2AE39D3@HQMAIL03.nvidia.com> The text on this page: http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/community/mailing-lists/ needs to be updated to remove the information that ruby-talk is mirrored to comp.lang.ruby, given JEG II's gateway dropping. 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James Edward Gray II From ibc at aliax.net Tue Aug 9 20:52:25 2011 From: ibc at aliax.net (=?UTF-8?Q?I=C3=B1aki_Baz_Castillo?=) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 22:52:25 +0200 Subject: [Vit-core] Help out with the next version of ruby-lang.org In-Reply-To: <4E413684.2010001@typhon.org> References: <4E413684.2010001@typhon.org> Message-ID: 2011/8/9 jd : > Preview is available at http://ruby.github.com/ruby-lang.org (maybe we could > get a beta.ruby-lang.org or something). I dont' like the effect of "bold letter" when passing the pointer over the menu entries. It moves the rest of the menu. -- I?aki Baz Castillo From gkistner at nvidia.com Tue Aug 9 20:14:41 2011 From: gkistner at nvidia.com (Gavin Kistner) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 13:14:41 -0700 Subject: [Vit-core] ruby-talk is no longer mirrored to comp.lang.ruby In-Reply-To: References: <01804B6F1D74DE41819D69F2866C60EF50F2AE39D3@HQMAIL03.nvidia.com> Message-ID: <01804B6F1D74DE41819D69F2866C60EF50F2AE3A2A@HQMAIL03.nvidia.com> Thanks. Keep up the nice work; I appreciate it. :) -----Original Message----- From: James Gray [mailto:james at graysoftinc.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 2:11 PM To: Gavin Kistner; vit-core at rubyforge.org Subject: Re: [Vit-core] ruby-talk is no longer mirrored to comp.lang.ruby On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 12:48 PM, wrote: > The text on this page: > > http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/community/mailing-lists/ > > needs to be updated to remove the information that ruby-talk is > mirrored to comp.lang.ruby, given JEG II?s gateway dropping. (Unless > it?s been re-instated since then and I didn?t notice.) Done. James Edward Gray II ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From shugo at ruby-lang.org Wed Aug 10 19:21:45 2011 From: shugo at ruby-lang.org (shugo at ruby-lang.org) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 20:21:45 +0100 Subject: [Vit-core] Design thoughts In-Reply-To: <4E4193BB.4080109@flowmedia.co.uk> References: <4E4193BB.4080109@flowmedia.co.uk> Message-ID: <4E42DA49.1090709@flowmedia.co.uk> Here is some more work I have done this evening: https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/jamesmacleod/Sites/index.html Not fully working, but should give an idea. Cheers James > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > James MacLeod > 9 August 2011 21:08 > > > Hey guys, > > I have forked the ruby site project and been having a look at the > layout and design. This is a quick screenshot for an idea. It it very > rough at this stage and I want to do some more work on it, but just > interested in feedback or comments. > > I don't know how fixed the design is, but here it is: > > https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/jamesmacleod/ruby-lang-mockup.jpg > > Cheers -- James MacLeod Lead Developer t. 01702 297822 m. 07794 544509 e. james at flowmedia.co.uk w. www.flowmedia.co.uk Disclaimer:The information in this email is confidential and for the intended recipient only. If you are not the addressee you may not disclose, copy or distribute the contents of this email. If received in error, please notify the sender. This message has been virus checked. We accept no liability in the event of any loss ordamage suffered whilst accessing this email. ------------------------------------------- Flow Media Solutions Ltd Co No. 054 986 86 , VAT Registration No. 867 2638 84Registered office: 765 London Road, Westcliff on Sea, Essex. SS0 9SU -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: compose-unknown-contact.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 770 bytes Desc: not available URL: From shugo at ruby-lang.org Thu Aug 11 09:27:28 2011 From: shugo at ruby-lang.org (shugo at ruby-lang.org) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 10:27:28 +0100 Subject: [Vit-core] August Sales and Marketing bootcamp. Driving sales is the theme. Message-ID: Hi August 25th is rapidly approaching. So far on the bootcamp we have among others, A national political party, A clothing company, An electronics company and professional services are covered also. Should be an interesting day with many different views on the marketing and sales process. If you can't learn something here, you'll never learn. Afterall its about increasing sales, isnt it? We have just a couple of seats left so get in quick. 01 2449580 "Sales is an art. It needs a format to follow and then the results will follow. This is exactly what you get here" Marion O'Donovan, O' Donovan Engineering, Cork see TESTIMONIALS below for more feedback. You can book your seat right now by CLICKING HERE These "real life" sales and marketing bootcamps fill quickly so call as soon as you can on 01 2449580 This is a very intensive Full Day Boot Camp that will give you the tools to effectively and cheaply market your business and give you the tools close more sales in an organised structured way. In a nutshell you will learn Direct Response Marketing (9am - 1pm) How to clearly define your customer. What they do, who they are, what do they read, Where do they go. Learn the difference between ?selling in print? and that old chestnut ?Brand Awareness? Learn how to craft your message to meet your customer head on and make them read your promotional material and more importantly Sell your Product. Learn a set of rules that will guide your marketing effort to success. A step by step plan. Learn to promote smarter. Increase your marketing effort for a fraction of what you?re paying now. Find out why advertising companies don?t advertise themselves. Learn the skill of tracking your marketing results and why this is vital. Create marketing pieces that will pull again & again. Learn why you shouldn?t out source your marketing Learn why direct marketing is the most effective and cost efficient form of marketing Selling in a Downturn (2pm - 5pm) A field proven sales methodology that allows you know exactly where in the sales process you are and what you need to do to close the sales Even if you don't close you'll know exactly where you went wrong what not to do the next time. How to beat stalls and objections everytime guaranteed How to be mentally tough and keep control of sales process A systemised approach to selling that allows for real life situations How to CLOSE SALES REMEMBER. The days of ORDER taking are over. We now have to get out and prove our sales skills. This course is perfect for sombody who wants to refresh their old recession sales skills or for most of you out their who never had to sell in a downturn. You can also see a video clip of the course in action at **www.profits.ie ** Lunch is included and will be a very useful networking session. The class size will be strictly small as this is a very intensive Boot Camp. Let me know ASAP if you would like to reserve a seat on this. Look forward to hearing from you. You can book your seat right now by CLICKING HERE Date 25th Aug Cost ?297 Location Bewleys Hotel, Sandyford Duration Full Day Lunch Included Regards Natalia Tiron Profits.ie Wicklow Enterprise Park Wicklow Town Co. Wicklow Ph:- 01 2449580 SOME TESTIMONIALS "Easy, relaxed environment. Straight Foreword, easily explained in laymans terms. Extremely Beneficial Information" Susan Passfield, Wicklow Foundation "This is good for retailers" Liga, House of sewing "Very informative, will give you a good understanding of how to directly market your customers" Jonathon, Show style international "Charlie will make you want to do what you know you can do. Execellent, Thanks" Ingrid Kehoe, Slaney Flowers "Well delivered course in real terms and language. Applicable to our business and both customers and potential customers" Mary Murphy, Wexford Insurances "This was a great course. Gave me ways to market my product in different ways with a little hard work and results will follow" James Barry, Jimmys Kitchens"I now have a mechanism for tracking all sales calls to and from the sales office. I believe this is a worthwhile course as a kick start or a refresher for sales." Patrick Leddy, Rehab Recycle "The bootcamp was extremely useful. Charlie was and excellent speaker, putting everyone at ease so that the course was more interactive and everyone shared their experiences with each other" Fiona Byrne, GEON Legal Solutions "Useful practical advice that can be implemented immediately" Eileen Mahon, RSM "Well Worthwhile, with focused content" David Bradshaw, Beta Electronics "This bootcamp was extremely usefull. I have learned some very useful skills and tools that I am sure I will use from now on in my work. Charlie was a great trainer. HIGHLY RECOMMENDED course!!" Elaine Rooney, Prestige Employment Solutions "This course has given my job structure in attaining a better customer base and increasing my productivity" Thomas Kelly, Gaeity School Of Acting "Stimulating, Energetic and very Informative" Aishling Power, Devils Edge Shirts "Different insight into sales process and how to promote the company. Great Ideas. Very good and well presented course. Something for everyone." Eoin Meagher, TMS "Sales is an art. It needs a format to follow and then the results will follow. This is exactly what you get here" Marion O'Donovan, O' Donovan Engineering "Profits.ie course was extremely informative helpful and professionally delivered. It was full of interesting tips and direction to maximise our companies focus, structure and delivery of a DRM campaign, and in my view was time well spent." Keith O'Callaghan, PVC Fabrications Sales Ltd., Cork "Very impressive presentation with clear and to the point information delivered from an obvious wealth of knowledge on this areas of business." Daire Dullea, DDE Ltd, Cork "Excellent course, great insights, tips and guidance. Sales in a nutshell." Ronan Mulaney, Gallagher's Seafood Restaurant, Bunratty ?Charlie gave me the tools that I need to help market my tax consultancy & accountancy practice. I can?t recommend this course highly enough. You won?t regret it.? John Conlon ? Conlon O?Sullivan Tax Advisors, Wicklow "The course was of great benefit to me as someone who hates cold calling. It has given me objectives and expectations when calling." Carol Johnston - Willis Computing Supplies, Dublin "There was lots of tips in what language to use in different situations and how to use the questons - open ended to create a raport with customers. Overall the course was very informative and enjoyable." Susan Kearney - Mayday Ltd "Clearly best sales course taken. Content was excellent and instructor displayed expert knowledge" David Lang - Phone Pulse -- Powered by PHPlist, www.phplist.com -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The technical part covers different aspects of Web development such as: Ruby , PHP, Python, .Net, Java, security, content management systems, frameworks, databases, system administration, Web standards, mobile development, accessibility and software architecture. The management and best practices parts includes: project management, agile methodology, referencing (SEO), Web marketing analysis, social networking, and start-ups. The conference will be held in Montreal from February 29th to March 2nd, 2012 at the prestigious Hotel Hilton Bonaventure and will be preceded by a few days of training. Talk proposals must received by September 2nd, 2011. Visit ConFoo.ca in order to submit a proposal. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sure: http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/news/2011/08/11/confoo-2012-call-for-papers-is-now-open/ James Edward Gray II From afilina at confoo.ca Thu Aug 11 14:13:14 2011 From: afilina at confoo.ca (Anna Filina) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 10:13:14 -0400 Subject: [Vit-core] News publication request In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you James for such a quick response. -- Anna Filina 1-888-679-8466 ext. 102 On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 10:06 AM, James Gray wrote: > On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 6:10 AM, wrote: > > Could you publish the news regarding our call for papers on your website > > ruby-lang.org? > > Sure: > > > http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/news/2011/08/11/confoo-2012-call-for-papers-is-now-open/ > > James Edward Gray II -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My GnuPG/OpenPGP-key: 2048 bits D/74a227d5 g/4e580a13 [expires: 2012-04-08] fingerprint: 1E6E 87CF B2F5 EBBC ACB6 7120 0A44 0972 74A2 27D5 From ri.mei at ezweb.ne.jp Sun Aug 14 14:55:36 2011 From: ri.mei at ezweb.ne.jp (ri.mei at ezweb.ne.jp) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 23:55:36 +0900 Subject: [Vit-core] =?iso-2022-jp?b?PT9pc28tMjAyMi1qcD9iP0d5UkNNeVF6TUVB?= =?iso-2022-jp?b?MU5TeEpTaHNvUWlCRVZrUWc/PSAgPT9pc28tMjAyMi1qcD9iP0d5UkNO?= =?iso-2022-jp?b?Mk13UWlWTkpVTWxTQ1UzSg==?= Message-ID: <20110814235536544479000027e9@nxev11mp01.ezweb.ne.jp> From shugo at ruby-lang.org Tue Aug 16 10:25:48 2011 From: shugo at ruby-lang.org (shugo at ruby-lang.org) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 12:25:48 +0200 Subject: [Vit-core] Rectification d'une faute d'inattention mineure Message-ID: Bonjour, Je voulais simplement signaler qu'il manque un verbe (probablement le verbe ?tre) dans la deuxi?me phrase de la page "Documentation" ( http://www.ruby-lang.org/fr/documentation/) : "[...] Une bonne partie de ces ressources *est* en langue anglaise. [...]". Je me rends bien compte qu'il s'agit d'un petit d?tail, mais j'ai trouv? cela dommage, surtout pour un site de cette ampleur. Longue vie ? Ruby ! :-) Cordialement, Fabrice -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shugo at ruby-lang.org Tue Aug 16 10:27:33 2011 From: shugo at ruby-lang.org (shugo at ruby-lang.org) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 15:57:33 +0530 Subject: [Vit-core] Request for Listing Message-ID: <4E4A4615.9020908@giftsnideas.com> Hi Greetings from GiftsnIdeas.com! My name is Sarah Hewitt, and I am contacting you regarding your site, (www.ruby-lang.org/) I've greatly enjoyed looking through your site and think that your web site's content will be interested and very useful. 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Please let me know if the above provides you with the information you need to review and consider our new section for linking. I can be reached via email at sarah.hewitt at giftsnideas.com Thank you so much for your time. Kindly revert if you have queries or concerns. All the best for continued success, Sarah Hewitt, Giftsnideas.com *Please Note:* If you do not wish to receive any mails in the future from us then just reply back saying that and you would be put in our Do Not Send list and will not be sent any mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shugo at ruby-lang.org Wed Aug 17 07:23:55 2011 From: shugo at ruby-lang.org (shugo at ruby-lang.org) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 08:23:55 +0100 Subject: [Vit-core] August DEADLINE is almost here Message-ID: Hi We have ONLY 5 seats left. We have a great selection of industries booked already. Clothing company, Management consultant, National Political party, Engineering, consultancy, national distributors. We'd love to add you to the family. These seats will be taken up, so get in quick. 01 2449580 or CLICK HERE to book online. "This bootcamp was extremely usefull. I have learned some very useful skills and tools that I am sure I will use from now on in my work. Charlie was a great trainer. HIGHLY RECOMMENDED course!!" Elaine Rooney, Prestige Employment Solutions see more TESTIMONIALS below You can book your seat right now by CLICKING HERE These "real life" sales and marketing bootcamps fill quickly so call as soon as you can on 01 2449580 This is a very intensive Full Day Boot Camp that will give you the tools to effectively and cheaply market your business and give you the tools close more sales in an organised structured way. In a nutshell you will learn Direct Response Marketing (9am - 1pm) How to clearly define your customer. What they do, who they are, what do they read, Where do they go. Learn the difference between ?selling in print? and that old chestnut ?Brand Awareness? Learn how to craft your message to meet your customer head on and make them read your promotional material and more importantly Sell your Product. Learn a set of rules that will guide your marketing effort to success. A step by step plan. Learn to promote smarter. Increase your marketing effort for a fraction of what you?re paying now. Find out why advertising companies don?t advertise themselves. Learn the skill of tracking your marketing results and why this is vital. Create marketing pieces that will pull again & again. Learn why you shouldn?t out source your marketing Learn why direct marketing is the most effective and cost efficient form of marketing You can book your seat right now by CLICKING HERE Selling in a Downturn (2pm - 5pm) A field proven sales methodology that allows you know exactly where in the sales process you are and what you need to do to close the sales Even if you don't close you'll know exactly where you went wrong what not to do the next time. How to beat stalls and objections everytime guaranteed How to be mentally tough and keep control of sales process A systemised approach to selling that allows for real life situations How to CLOSE SALES REMEMBER. The days of ORDER taking are over. We now have to get out and prove our sales skills. This course is perfect for sombody who wants to refresh their old recession sales skills or for most of you out their who never had to sell in a downturn. You can also see a video clip of the course in action at **www.profits.ie ** Lunch is included and will be a very useful networking session. The class size will be strictly small as this is a very intensive Boot Camp. Let me know ASAP if you would like to reserve a seat on this. Look forward to hearing from you. You can book your seat right now by CLICKING HERE Date 25th Aug Cost ?297 Location Bewleys Hotel, Sandyford Duration Full Day Lunch Included Regards Natalie Tiron Profits.ie Wicklow Enterprise Park Wicklow Town Co. Wicklow Ph:- 01 2449580 SOME TESTIMONIALS "Easy, relaxed environment. Straight Foreword, easily explained in laymans terms. Extremely Beneficial Information" Susan Passfield, Wicklow Foundation "This is good for retailers" Liga, House of sewing "Very informative, will give you a good understanding of how to directly market your customers" Jonathon, Show style international "Charlie will make you want to do what you know you can do. Execellent, Thanks" Ingrid Kehoe, Slaney Flowers "Well delivered course in real terms and language. Applicable to our business and both customers and potential customers" Mary Murphy, Wexford Insurances You can book your seat right now by CLICKING HERE "This was a great course. Gave me ways to market my product in different ways with a little hard work and results will follow" James Barry, Jimmys Kitchens "I now have a mechanism for tracking all sales calls to and from the sales office. I believe this is a worthwhile course as a kick start or a refresher for sales." Patrick Leddy, Rehab Recycle "The bootcamp was extremely useful. Charlie was and excellent speaker, putting everyone at ease so that the course was more interactive and everyone shared their experiences with each other" Fiona Byrne, GEON Legal Solutions "Useful practical advice that can be implemented immediately" Eileen Mahon, RSM "Well Worthwhile, with focused content" David Bradshaw, Beta Electronics You can book your seat right now by CLICKING HERE "This bootcamp was extremely usefull. I have learned some very useful skills and tools that I am sure I will use from now on in my work. Charlie was a great trainer. HIGHLY RECOMMENDED course!!" Elaine Rooney, Prestige Employment Solutions "This course has given my job structure in attaining a better customer base and increasing my productivity" Thomas Kelly, Gaeity School Of Acting "Stimulating, Energetic and very Informative" Aishling Power, Devils Edge Shirts "Different insight into sales process and how to promote the company. Great Ideas. Very good and well presented course. Something for everyone." Eoin Meagher, TMS "Sales is an art. It needs a format to follow and then the results will follow. This is exactly what you get here" Marion O'Donovan, O' Donovan Engineering "Profits.ie course was extremely informative helpful and professionally delivered. It was full of interesting tips and direction to maximise our companies focus, structure and delivery of a DRM campaign, and in my view was time well spent." Keith O'Callaghan, PVC Fabrications Sales Ltd., Cork "Very impressive presentation with clear and to the point information delivered from an obvious wealth of knowledge on this areas of business." Daire Dullea, DDE Ltd, Cork You can book your seat right now by CLICKING HERE "Excellent course, great insights, tips and guidance. Sales in a nutshell." Ronan Mulaney, Gallagher's Seafood Restaurant, Bunratty ?Charlie gave me the tools that I need to help market my tax consultancy & accountancy practice. I can?t recommend this course highly enough. You won?t regret it.? John Conlon ? Conlon O?Sullivan Tax Advisors, Wicklow "The course was of great benefit to me as someone who hates cold calling. It has given me objectives and expectations when calling." Carol Johnston - Willis Computing Supplies, Dublin "There was lots of tips in what language to use in different situations and how to use the questons - open ended to create a raport with customers. Overall the course was very informative and enjoyable." Susan Kearney - Mayday Ltd "Clearly best sales course taken. Content was excellent and instructor displayed expert knowledge" David Lang - Phone Pulse You can book your seat right now by CLICKING HERE -- Powered by PHPlist, www.phplist.com -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Of course, he/she needs to listen to the community, but there are certain times when *shit just has to get done*. // Magnus Holm From shugo at ruby-lang.org Thu Aug 18 00:29:40 2011 From: shugo at ruby-lang.org (shugo at ruby-lang.org) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 21:29:40 -0300 Subject: [Vit-core] Tu pagina web por solo 1,499 Message-ID: <5fc0f560eb0df69007a9d4d6740c1083@www.corporativomexico.info> Your email client cannot read this email. To view it online, please go here: %%www.tucorreopersonal.com/tupaginaweb%% To stop receiving these emails:http://www.corporativomexico.info/send/unsubscribe.php?M=128281&C=9e909bc1ea80f957172015f972b1e14c&L=3&N=10 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 4b240dff574c0f01d052117fcb340aa7 Type: image/png Size: 30753 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You could also try sending an email directly to Matz - Matz < matz at ruby-lang.org> On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 7:27 AM, Magnus Holm wrote: > I feel we need a little more planning in order to solve the current > issues of ruby-lang.org. > > * Do we all agree that switching to a GitHub-approach is a good idea? > * Who's responsible for the ruby-lang.org-domain/server today? (Aka. > who can turn on the new site?) > * What exactly have to be done before we change to the new site? Who > decides when it's "good enough" to be public? > * We need someone to take responsibility for the new site. Someone who > can take a decision when everyone else just talks. Of course, he/she > needs to listen to the community, but there are certain times when > *shit just has to get done*. > > // Magnus Holm > _______________________________________________ > Vit-core mailing list > Vit-core at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/vit-core > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shugo at ruby-lang.org Thu Aug 18 18:28:45 2011 From: shugo at ruby-lang.org (shugo at ruby-lang.org) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 19:28:45 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Vit-core] hello Message-ID: <1313692125.17443.YahooMailClassic@web26303.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hello dear, How are you doing my name is mariam i am searching for a friend and i want to be your friend, i am looking for a friend i hope we can communicate ,i will be very happy if you can reply my directly and reply with some pictures of yourself. From Mariam. From shugo at ruby-lang.org Fri Aug 19 11:24:20 2011 From: shugo at ruby-lang.org (shugo at ruby-lang.org) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 04:24:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Vit-core] Greetings to you. Message-ID: <1313753060.41479.YahooMailClassic@web65801.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hello Greetings to you. My name is miss fidelia i saw your email address from? site today from site and i become interested in you, so if you don't mind , I will like you to contact me back with my private email ( fideliababs at hotmail.co.uk) so that i can give you my pictures for you to know whom i am,although i came on line searching a true and honest man .I believe we can move from here!!! Remember ,color language distance does not matter,but LOVE matters a lot in life.best of my regards from fidelia. A lot of love and kisss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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James Edward Gray II From niyaziates77 at gmail.com Mon Aug 22 17:46:48 2011 From: niyaziates77 at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-9?Q?niyazi_ate=FE?=) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 20:46:48 +0300 Subject: [Vit-core] Hello In-Reply-To: <1313834155.31349.YahooMailClassic@web180911.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1313834155.31349.YahooMailClassic@web180911.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: fuck off 2011/8/20 > Hello > > I'm very happy to meet you, > Compliments of the day! > How are you ? hope you are doing well, I am malvina justin, A lovely girl, > I am looking for a reliable and trusted person. I believe we can get > acquainted, so if it interests you, please reach me back here for further > communications. I stop here awaiting your responds. > Please get back to me so that I will send my photo to you and tell you more > about my self. A good friendship is the foundation build on other relative > things to come. > May God bless you as I wait impatiently to read from you.. > Regards, > malvina justin > _______________________________________________ > Vit-core mailing list > Vit-core at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/vit-core > -- Niyazi ATE? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shugo at ruby-lang.org Tue Aug 23 10:28:23 2011 From: shugo at ruby-lang.org (shugo at ruby-lang.org) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 11:28:23 +0100 Subject: [Vit-core] August Deadline has arrived Message-ID: <2d8be19898434fab9338bd1ead087f05@apps.profits.ie> Hi I have one seat left for Thursdays sales and marketing bootcamp. Just one thats all. First to call snaps it up. Take a look at what Ingrid Keogh from Slaney flowers said and heaps more testimonials below. Its worth every penny. Call 01 2449580 or CLICK HERE to book online. 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Something for everyone." Eoin Meagher, TMS "Sales is an art. It needs a format to follow and then the results will follow. This is exactly what you get here" Marion O'Donovan, O' Donovan Engineering "Profits.ie course was extremely informative helpful and professionally delivered. It was full of interesting tips and direction to maximise our companies focus, structure and delivery of a DRM campaign, and in my view was time well spent." Keith O'Callaghan, PVC Fabrications Sales Ltd., Cork "Very impressive presentation with clear and to the point information delivered from an obvious wealth of knowledge on this areas of business." Daire Dullea, DDE Ltd, Cork You can book your seat right now by CLICKING HERE "Excellent course, great insights, tips and guidance. Sales in a nutshell." Ronan Mulaney, Gallagher's Seafood Restaurant, Bunratty ?Charlie gave me the tools that I need to help market my tax consultancy & accountancy practice. I can?t recommend this course highly enough. You won?t regret it.? John Conlon ? Conlon O?Sullivan Tax Advisors, Wicklow "The course was of great benefit to me as someone who hates cold calling. It has given me objectives and expectations when calling." Carol Johnston - Willis Computing Supplies, Dublin "There was lots of tips in what language to use in different situations and how to use the questons - open ended to create a raport with customers. Overall the course was very informative and enjoyable." Susan Kearney - Mayday Ltd "Clearly best sales course taken. Content was excellent and instructor displayed expert knowledge" David Lang - Phone Pulse You can book your seat right now by CLICKING HERE -- Powered by PHPlist, www.phplist.com -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From jd at typhon.org Tue Aug 30 09:30:03 2011 From: jd at typhon.org (jd) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 11:30:03 +0200 Subject: [Vit-core] Towards a plan for the next ruby-lang.org In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E5CAD9B.6020401@typhon.org> Le 18/08/2011 17:05, Curt Hibbs a ?crit : > Back in 2006 wen we were creating the current incarnation of > ruby-lang.org , the Webmaster was Shugo Medea > (who is subscribed to this list) -- Shugo Maeda > > > I don't know if he's still the webmaster. > > You could also try sending an email directly to Matz - Matz > > > > On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 7:27 AM, Magnus Holm > wrote: > > I feel we need a little more planning in order to solve the current > issues of ruby-lang.org . > > * Do we all agree that switching to a GitHub-approach is a good idea? > * Who's responsible for the ruby-lang.org-domain/server today? (Aka. > who can turn on the new site?) > * What exactly have to be done before we change to the new site? Who > decides when it's "good enough" to be public? > * We need someone to take responsibility for the new site. Someone who > can take a decision when everyone else just talks. Of course, he/she > needs to listen to the community, but there are certain times when > *shit just has to get done*. > Somehow I'm the one "in charge" (even though the whole point is to distribute the responsibility over several *committed* people). There have been several proposals and "concurrent" (as in concurrent computing) projects, I'm talking about the one initiated by the current active maintainers of ruby-lang.org. The process is in a fairly advanced stage: it is all been set up on https://github.com/ruby/ruby-lang.org. Unfortunately, no contributions occured in like, 3 weeks now. I was on vacation and felt a little bit disappointed when I came back :) it was announced here AFAICR. I'm able to work on this project again and I'm glad it's not been forbidden either! So basically: * it's a jekyll, github-based open contribution process * anyone may contribute, either by forking/pull requests or by in-place file editions at github * contributors who commit on a regular basis would gain access to the ruby group to ease their contribution process Some people already helped (russian and spanish contributions). It seems everyone who put interest in it agreed that it's a good contribution model. Jekyll comes with some limitations, but it'd be easy to contribute back to the project if ever needed. What remaims to be adressed? * the design: currently relies on a modified Octopress theme, a nice, modern, simple theme would be great! * the content: a big overhaul would be nice (postmodern at github contributed an import task to fetch the old content though) * the jekyll integration (JS, contribution doc...) * the hardware and deploy process: despite many discussions on vit-core, we were not able to find out who's responsible for the server yet (and this sucks) On all of those points, *YOU* as a ruby enthusiast may help! There are ongoing discussions here: https://github.com/ruby/ruby-lang.org/issues?sort=created&direction=desc&state=open Feel free to participate, either in the debates, or with commits. It's easy, no overhead, any kind of contributions is valuable. Feedback would be greatly appreciated (use the issues on github please). -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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