[typo] Deploying Ruby on Rails Applications

Chet Farmer chet at nogators.com
Wed Jul 16 18:36:30 EDT 2008


Scott,

You persist in answering questions that I'm not asking. At this point,  
I won't give a damn about Typo deployment again until some time  
*after* the bug fixes I require are deployed, if then.

Your ongoing insistence that Typo/Ruby IS TOO! easy to set up and run  
is, well, tiresome. Please stop.

>> Here, you're defaulting back to a knee-jerk defense of what is  
>> clearly your pet language. That has no place here. Compared to LAMP- 
>> stack stuff, RoR applications are much harder to set up and deploy.  
>> They require a totally different approach, and that approach is  
>> very poorly documented. This isn't a controversial statement.
>
> Do  you have the latest version of Python 2.5? what if you want to  
> deploy a Django application that requires Python 2.5? and some  
> feature that was not included in your build of python.  knee-jerk  
> defense about Perl... it hasn't been updated in 2years? So let's  
> disclude that from the discussion.  If your Linux distribution is  
> running an version older then 5.8.4 (current is 5.8.8) you should be  
> pretty much shot.

Whatever.

> Unfortunately things change rapidly, things are updated, bug fixes  
> made.  Some Linux distributions run on a 6-month Release Cycle, so  
> in 6-months they play catchup and update all the things that they  
> can.  They miss somethings, however that's not here nor there.  My  
> knee-jerk solution is if LAMP is so easy to deploy, then why not use  
> it? or why not use Perl or Python?

Seriously? You're going there? "If (other thing) is so much better,  
just USE IT!" Do you not realize how petulant that sounds? Are you  
going to take your ball and go home now?

> It's unfortunate that MarsEdit was one of your Hanging Chads... I  
> never got around to buying a License of MarsEdit, I just couldn't be  
> bothered with it, I would rather write in TextMate and then copy and  
> paste.

Post-from-local-client is a core requirement for me. Cut and paste is  
for the birds. With Blosxom, I wrote in TextMate and saved. That's it.  
A cron'd rsync did my posting for me. With proper support for the XML- 
PRC stuff, I can do that again with Typo; it works with WP and MT just  
fine via anything that supports that interface, including MarsEdit and  
TextMate via the blogging bundle.

> However one of my long standing issues with Typo has been ... *drum  
> roll* how I have to insert <br>'s into my posts because I included a  
> html tag, and somehow it broke the whole mess.  So either I can have  
> badly formatted posts that look worse then my emails ... or I can  
> force a line break every here and there so make it look cleaner.

There are lots of ways to solve this. I post in Markdown.

> I do admit though that Frédéric responded slow on the Typo 5.0 Beta  
> (Rails 2) release to my dismay, I lost my typo install twice due to  
> a cache error, and it took several more people to have the same  
> problem before it was even brought up.  But overall he try's and  
> that's what counts.

Try that statement at work and see how far you get.

Don't get me wrong; I appreciate  Frederic's answers very much -- and,  
not to put too fine a point on it, his English is better than yours --  
but eventually I'll make a choice based on function and support, not  
how hard the maintainers are trying.

---
"They say no mortal woman was enough for him so he made one himself  
outta whiskey an liquors an ale," says me. "An he loved her like a  
lumberjack made of eating loves a woman made of ham." (Fafblog  
2004-08-05)



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