From paulrbrown at gmail.com Thu Dec 1 00:56:24 2005 From: paulrbrown at gmail.com (Paul R Brown) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:56:24 -0800 Subject: [typo] per-category feeds? Message-ID: Is there a plan to get per-category RSS/Atom feeds? -- Paul From scott at sigkill.org Thu Dec 1 01:06:33 2005 From: scott at sigkill.org (Scott Laird) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:06:33 -0800 Subject: [typo] per-category feeds? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <155C172E-42BB-4417-8CBF-8A3F566C2576@sigkill.org> They've been in the trunk for months. If your client uses RSS autodiscovery, then almost every page in Typo has its own customized feed page--tag and category pages are tied to tag or category specific feeds, while individual article pages are tied to the article +comment feed for that page. We should probably drop a link into the footer or something; I'm not sure if the sidebar has access to the right variables. Scott On Nov 30, 2005, at 9:56 PM, Paul R Brown wrote: > > Is there a plan to get per-category RSS/Atom feeds? > > -- Paul > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list From paulrbrown at gmail.com Thu Dec 1 01:08:44 2005 From: paulrbrown at gmail.com (Paul R Brown) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:08:44 -0800 Subject: [typo] Converting from Wordpress - a few q's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <21F3A967-0712-4B29-B8A8-DA714000D103@gmail.com> > Permalinks - Any easy way to remove the articles/ prefix that Typo has > by default? Other than that the permalinks appear to be the same. Has > anyone else dealt with this before and maybe have a solution put > together already? Note that the permalinks are *not* mapped directly across if you have any draft posts in your WordPress database. The migration script assigns IDs sequentially to the WordPress entries, skipping any that are unpublished. I haven't addressed this yet but am planning to just amend the article controller with a wp method that takes the old ID. -- Paul From paulrbrown at gmail.com Thu Dec 1 01:48:42 2005 From: paulrbrown at gmail.com (Paul R Brown) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:48:42 -0800 Subject: [typo] Typo not updating anymore? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <34CB5FAE-C98D-42BE-AAD4-34C1ED057A3A@gmail.com> > Oh and as a sidenote - switching themes doesn't work anymore either :\ Sounds like your typo application died but the fronting web server (lighttpd) is still serving cached pages...? -- Paul From marco at i-marco.nl Thu Dec 1 02:59:43 2005 From: marco at i-marco.nl (Marco van Hylckama Vlieg) Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 08:59:43 +0100 Subject: [typo] I broke Ajax commenting :( In-Reply-To: <1FAC1627-1A06-46B8-97FE-C33756B4FED1@meticulous.com> References: <1FAC1627-1A06-46B8-97FE-C33756B4FED1@meticulous.com> Message-ID: <438EAD6F.20304@i-marco.nl> Hi folks, This is a semi-desperate call for help because I have no idea what I 'broke' here. When developing my Typo theme 'lush' the Ajax commenting always worked fine. All of a sudden it's broken and I just don't have any clue what caused it to break. The error message is totally non descriptive as well. When trying to comment on my site I get the following javascript error: Error: element.style has no properties Source File: http://www.w3-labs.com/javascripts/effects.js Line: 754 The demo is located at http://www.w3-labs.com/ The theme can be downloaded and tested from that site. I really hope there's someone on this list who can help me fix this problem because it's really ruining the fun :( I have absolutely no clue what to do.... Note: It's Trunk based. Thanks an awful lot in advance, - Marco From jb at justbe.com Thu Dec 1 03:27:20 2005 From: jb at justbe.com (Joerg Battermann) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 09:27:20 +0100 Subject: [typo] Typo not updating anymore? References: <34CB5FAE-C98D-42BE-AAD4-34C1ED057A3A@gmail.com> Message-ID: Paul, not entirely sure. I swept the cache etc - no changes. I updated to the latest trunk after getting rid of all files in the blog's directory... upgraded/migrated the db.. and now everything's working again. Somwhat strange though because the log files didn't say anything particular... Best regards / MfG, -- Joerg Battermann jb at justBE.com http://www.justBE.com - blog: http://blog.justBE.com PGP-KeyID: 0x77007DA6 PGP-Fingerprint: 0461 F2EC 53EB CEBE 6B73 8EEC 64AD 0606 7700 7DA6 ________________________________ From: typo-list-bounces at rubyforge.org on behalf of Paul R Brown Sent: Thu 12/1/2005 7:48 AM To: typo-list at rubyforge.org Subject: Re: [typo] Typo not updating anymore? > Oh and as a sidenote - switching themes doesn't work anymore either :\ Sounds like your typo application died but the fronting web server (lighttpd) is still serving cached pages...? -- Paul _______________________________________________ Typo-list mailing list Typo-list at rubyforge.org http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 4706 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/typo-list/attachments/20051201/441ab285/attachment.bin From marco at i-marco.nl Thu Dec 1 04:33:27 2005 From: marco at i-marco.nl (Marco van Hylckama Vlieg) Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 10:33:27 +0100 Subject: [typo] I broke Ajax commenting :( In-Reply-To: <438EAD6F.20304@i-marco.nl> References: <1FAC1627-1A06-46B8-97FE-C33756B4FED1@meticulous.com> <438EAD6F.20304@i-marco.nl> Message-ID: <438EC367.6040701@i-marco.nl> Additional weirdness: This problem seems to occur in Opera and Firefox while it works perfectly in Internet Explorer and Safari. Still, any hints are welcome! - Marco Marco van Hylckama Vlieg wrote: > Hi folks, > > This is a semi-desperate call for help because I have no idea what I > 'broke' here. > When developing my Typo theme 'lush' the Ajax commenting always worked > fine. All of a sudden it's broken and > I just don't have any clue what caused it to break. The error message is > totally non descriptive as well. > > When trying to comment on my site I get the following javascript error: > > Error: element.style has no properties > Source File: http://www.w3-labs.com/javascripts/effects.js > Line: 754 > > The demo is located at http://www.w3-labs.com/ > > The theme can be downloaded and tested from that site. I really hope > there's someone on this list who can help me fix this problem because > it's really ruining the fun :( > I have absolutely no clue what to do.... > > Note: It's Trunk based. > > Thanks an awful lot in advance, > > - Marco > > > > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > From doug at lathi.net Thu Dec 1 08:49:16 2005 From: doug at lathi.net (Doug Alcorn) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:49:16 -0500 Subject: [typo] I broke Ajax commenting :( In-Reply-To: <438EAD6F.20304@i-marco.nl> References: <1FAC1627-1A06-46B8-97FE-C33756B4FED1@meticulous.com> <438EAD6F.20304@i-marco.nl> Message-ID: On Dec 1, 2005, at 2:59 AM, Marco van Hylckama Vlieg wrote: > This is a semi-desperate call for help because I have no idea what I > 'broke' here. > When developing my Typo theme 'lush' the Ajax commenting always worked > fine. All of a sudden it's broken and > I just don't have any clue what caused it to break. I'm pretty sure this is a CSS problem. I'm not entirely sure how CSS can break JS, but I saw the same thing while working on my theme. Basically, I had to go back and grab some definitions from the azure theme's CSS to get it working again. Ideally, someone who knows how this CSS/JS dependency works should rip out the stuff that's critical for comments and put it in a separate file. ----- Doug Alcorn - http://lathi.net/RubyOnRailsDeveloper doug at lathi.net From wyldeone at gmail.com Thu Dec 1 10:50:45 2005 From: wyldeone at gmail.com (Micah Wylde) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:50:45 -0800 Subject: [typo] I broke Ajax commenting :( In-Reply-To: References: <1FAC1627-1A06-46B8-97FE-C33756B4FED1@meticulous.com> <438EAD6F.20304@i-marco.nl> Message-ID: <106fc6ec0512010750l6e981b91kafa5f6382a86c9dd@mail.gmail.com> I've also made a pretty complex theme, metropolitan, where I extensively themed the commenting system, and I have also found the ajax to be broken. On 12/1/05, Doug Alcorn wrote: > > > On Dec 1, 2005, at 2:59 AM, Marco van Hylckama Vlieg wrote: > > > This is a semi-desperate call for help because I have no idea what I > > 'broke' here. > > When developing my Typo theme 'lush' the Ajax commenting always worked > > fine. All of a sudden it's broken and > > I just don't have any clue what caused it to break. > > I'm pretty sure this is a CSS problem. I'm not entirely sure how CSS > can break JS, but I saw the same thing while working on my theme. > Basically, I had to go back and grab some definitions from the azure > theme's CSS to get it working again. Ideally, someone who knows how > this CSS/JS dependency works should rip out the stuff that's critical > for comments and put it in a separate file. > ----- > Doug Alcorn - http://lathi.net/RubyOnRailsDeveloper > doug at lathi.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > -- Micah Wylde -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/typo-list/attachments/20051201/c7b460a7/attachment-0001.htm From marco at i-marco.nl Thu Dec 1 10:59:12 2005 From: marco at i-marco.nl (Marco van Hylckama Vlieg) Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 16:59:12 +0100 Subject: [typo] I broke Ajax commenting :( In-Reply-To: <106fc6ec0512010750l6e981b91kafa5f6382a86c9dd@mail.gmail.com> References: <1FAC1627-1A06-46B8-97FE-C33756B4FED1@meticulous.com> <438EAD6F.20304@i-marco.nl> <106fc6ec0512010750l6e981b91kafa5f6382a86c9dd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <438F1DD0.7080902@i-marco.nl> In fact in my case it turned out to only be broken in Firefox 1.5 Weird thing is: It works fine in: - Safari - IE 6 - Firefox 1.0.7 It doesn't work in: - Safari 1.5 - Opera 8.5 I wonder whether to blame the code or these browsers.... For the time being I added a javascript notice for FF 1.5 users to tell them it's broken. The comments DO get posted by the way. - Marco Micah Wylde wrote: > I've also made a pretty complex theme, metropolitan, where I > extensively themed the commenting system, and I have also found the > ajax to be broken. > > On 12/1/05, * Doug Alcorn* > > wrote: > > > On Dec 1, 2005, at 2:59 AM, Marco van Hylckama Vlieg wrote: > > > This is a semi-desperate call for help because I have no idea what I > > 'broke' here. > > When developing my Typo theme 'lush' the Ajax commenting always > worked > > fine. All of a sudden it's broken and > > I just don't have any clue what caused it to break. > > I'm pretty sure this is a CSS problem. I'm not entirely sure how CSS > can break JS, but I saw the same thing while working on my theme. > Basically, I had to go back and grab some definitions from the azure > theme's CSS to get it working again. Ideally, someone who knows how > this CSS/JS dependency works should rip out the stuff that's critical > for comments and put it in a separate file. > ----- > Doug Alcorn - http://lathi.net/RubyOnRailsDeveloper > doug at lathi.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > > > > > > -- > Micah Wylde > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > From santry+typo at gmail.com Thu Dec 1 11:06:07 2005 From: santry+typo at gmail.com (Sean Santry) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 11:06:07 -0500 Subject: [typo] Customized 404 (Page Not Found) Page? In-Reply-To: <7c0520c0511301259j5f986a8eyab678d50d967ff61@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c0520c0511301047r5724246fhc2b0fe784976f142@mail.gmail.com> <7c0520c0511301259j5f986a8eyab678d50d967ff61@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c0520c0512010806i47deec6bn3f26f70e1a2e240b@mail.gmail.com> On 11/30/05, Sean Santry wrote: > I'm looking for a good way to provide a customized 404 (Page not > Found) page for my Typo blogs. Implemented and patch submitted http://typo.leetsoft.com/trac/ticket/566 - Sean From kellan at pobox.com Thu Dec 1 11:30:22 2005 From: kellan at pobox.com (kellan) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 11:30:22 -0500 Subject: [typo] I broke Ajax commenting :( In-Reply-To: <438EAD6F.20304@i-marco.nl> References: <1FAC1627-1A06-46B8-97FE-C33756B4FED1@meticulous.com> <438EAD6F.20304@i-marco.nl> Message-ID: <422b9b380512010830h7d8d9e91v4d79ac5a5842e6d8@mail.gmail.com> On 12/1/05, Marco van Hylckama Vlieg wrote: > > When trying to comment on my site I get the following javascript error: > > Error: element.style has no properties > Source File: http://www.w3-labs.com/javascripts/effects.js > Line: 754 This is caused by Mozilla's intentionally broken implementation of lastChild. At some point some whitespace has slipped into your comment list, and now when commentAdded() is run, instead of returning the final element in the list (the newly added comment), you're getting the whitespace. You can try to clean up all the whitespace until it stops happening, but a better solution would be for Typo to move away from using the lastChild dom selector. -kellan From marco at i-marco.nl Thu Dec 1 12:38:42 2005 From: marco at i-marco.nl (Marco van Hylckama Vlieg) Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 18:38:42 +0100 Subject: [typo] I broke Ajax commenting :( In-Reply-To: <422b9b380512010830h7d8d9e91v4d79ac5a5842e6d8@mail.gmail.com> References: <1FAC1627-1A06-46B8-97FE-C33756B4FED1@meticulous.com> <438EAD6F.20304@i-marco.nl> <422b9b380512010830h7d8d9e91v4d79ac5a5842e6d8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <438F3522.60003@i-marco.nl> Hmmm... nice suggestion... I tried it but it still won't work unfortunately. There really isn't any whitespace left now, for example on this page: http://www.w3-labs.com/articles/2005/11/30/maintenance-bug-report-topic I'm glad however this really IS a Typo / Firefox problem and not a problem with my theme... I guess I'm out of options though? - Marco kellan wrote: > On 12/1/05, Marco van Hylckama Vlieg wrote: > >> When trying to comment on my site I get the following javascript error: >> >> Error: element.style has no properties >> Source File: http://www.w3-labs.com/javascripts/effects.js >> Line: 754 >> > > This is caused by Mozilla's intentionally broken implementation of > lastChild. At some point some whitespace has slipped into your > comment list, and now when commentAdded() is run, instead of returning > the final element in the list (the newly added comment), you're > getting the whitespace. > > You can try to clean up all the whitespace until it stops happening, > but a better solution would be for Typo to move away from using the > lastChild dom selector. > > -kellan > > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > From facedown at mac.com Thu Dec 1 19:40:45 2005 From: facedown at mac.com (facedown@mac.com) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 16:40:45 -0800 Subject: [typo] Permalink Structure Message-ID: I've setup a test install of Typo, imported everything from WP, and have it ready to go except for one thing. On my WP blog, I'm using the following permalink structure: domain.tld/post_id/post_name/ I don't want to break incoming links and need to find a way to keep old links working in order to go live with the Typo install. I've found config/routes.rb and assume I might be able to set something in there to route visitors correctly, but don't know how to go about it. I really don't care about the final structure. IOW, if it's easier to keep the Typo install using the articles/year/mo/day/post_name/ structure while redirecting those who come in on the old links, that's okay. I'm not too concerned about links to category or date archives?only links to individual articles. I appreciate any help you can offer. I've spent much of this afternoon searching the Typo site, reading through the list archives, and searching Google, but don't know that I've hit on the right keywords, yet. If this has been written about elsewhere, I would appreciate the link. Thanks, Kevin From jbainbridge at gmail.com Thu Dec 1 19:49:42 2005 From: jbainbridge at gmail.com (Jason Bainbridge) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:49:42 -0600 Subject: [typo] Permalink Structure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 12/1/05, facedown at mac.com wrote:> I've setup a test install of Typo, imported everything from WP, and> have it ready to go except for one thing. On my WP blog, I'm using> the following permalink structure:>> domain.tld/post_id/post_name/>> I don't want to break incoming links and need to find a way to keep> old links working in order to go live with the Typo install. I've> found config/routes.rb and assume I might be able to set something in> there to route visitors correctly, but don't know how to go about it.>> I really don't care about the final structure. IOW, if it's easier to> keep the Typo install using the articles/year/mo/day/post_name/> structure while redirecting those who come in on the old links,> that's okay. I'm not too concerned about links to category or date> archives?only links to individual articles.>> I appreciate any help you can offer. I've spent much of this> afternoon searching the Typo site, reading through the list archives,> and searching Google, but don't know that I've hit on the right> keywords, yet. If this has been written about elsewhere, I would> appreciate the link. Have a look at config/routes.rb and then I think you will be able tofigure it out. ;) I haven't had the time yet myself to work it all out but it lookslogical enough. Cheers,--Jason BainbridgeAn Aussie geek stuck in Texas - http://jasonbainbridge.comAdvertisement free blogs for those affected by emergency situations -http://911blogs.com From mike at uwmike.com Thu Dec 1 19:47:32 2005 From: mike at uwmike.com (Mike Purvis) Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 19:47:32 -0500 Subject: [typo] Permalink Structure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <438F99A4.70504@uwmike.com> Hi Kevin, I was moving from a hand-rolled blogging system to Typo. Because of my Ruby inexperience, I did my permalinks using a simple PHP redirect. I recommend this approach. Basically, you want a single RewriteRule in your .htaccess file, which will funnel the old requests into a PHP file. The PHP file will then access the database, look up the date, and construct the correct "new" link, and forward the browser there. To see it in action, try hitting http://uwmike.com/archive/proper-forwarding and you can see that you end up redirected to the MT/Typo-style permalink: http://uwmike.com/articles/2005/10/05/proper-forwarding Your htaccess rule would be like this: RewriteRule ^([0-9]+)/(.*)/?$ /redirect.php?id=$1&name=$2 [QSA,L] If you'd like the PHP source of the redirection file, just drop me a line off-list. (or, perhaps one of the gurus here can share the Railsy way to do it that doesn't break on upgrades...) Mike facedown at mac.com wrote: >I've setup a test install of Typo, imported everything from WP, and >have it ready to go except for one thing. On my WP blog, I'm using >the following permalink structure: > >domain.tld/post_id/post_name/ > >I don't want to break incoming links and need to find a way to keep >old links working in order to go live with the Typo install. I've >found config/routes.rb and assume I might be able to set something in >there to route visitors correctly, but don't know how to go about it. > >I really don't care about the final structure. IOW, if it's easier to >keep the Typo install using the articles/year/mo/day/post_name/ >structure while redirecting those who come in on the old links, >that's okay. I'm not too concerned about links to category or date >archives?only links to individual articles. > >I appreciate any help you can offer. I've spent much of this >afternoon searching the Typo site, reading through the list archives, >and searching Google, but don't know that I've hit on the right >keywords, yet. If this has been written about elsewhere, I would >appreciate the link. > >Thanks, >Kevin >_______________________________________________ >Typo-list mailing list >Typo-list at rubyforge.org >http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > > From fuzzyfree at gmail.com Thu Dec 1 20:15:25 2005 From: fuzzyfree at gmail.com (Freedom Dumlao) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 20:15:25 -0500 Subject: [typo] flickr XMLRPC not working? In-Reply-To: References: <2AAE0394-DCA8-45D4-8D50-9D6BADFCE56A@sigkill.org> <79928F73-7DC6-414F-A0F5-CAABF8536E41@sigkill.org> <328687de0511221216s7c47716cibfc6d06ecad8383a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Has there been any update on this? On 11/22/05, Scott Laird wrote: > That looks easy enough. I'll add it when I have time, but it may not > be a week or so--I'll post details soon on my blog. > > > Scott > > On Nov 22, 2005, at 7:32 PM, Freedom Dumlao wrote: > > > If anyone is interested, here is what flickr had to say: > > > > Hi, > > > > The spec for the MWA only defines a handful of methods that > > are designed to sit on top of the Blogger API. > > > > Specifically : "The MetaWeblog API is designed to enhance > > the Blogger API..." [1] so anything that claims to support > > the MWA should support, in full, version 1 of the Blogger > > API. > > > > We call getUsersBlogs because any given user may have more > > than one blog that listens on a single endpoint. > > > > I have never used Typo but it sounds like this is a bug in > > their implementation of the spec(s). > > > > --- > > > > [1] http://www.xmlrpc.com/metaWeblogApi > > > > > > On 11/22/05, Freedom Dumlao wrote: > >> No, it's still pending a resolution. There is a ticket in on the Typo > >> trac system. > >> > >> On 11/22/05, Paul McKellar wrote: > >>> was this ever resolved? mine still doesn't work but i played a lot > >>> with it before i checked the list for information > >>> > >>> On 11/20/05, Freedom Dumlao wrote: > >>>> I posted my errors when using the BloggerAPI to trac if you > >>>> would like to see. > >>>> > >>>> On 11/20/05, Freedom Dumlao wrote: > >>>>> Yes it seems to be. The unfortunate thing is that even if you > >>>>> use the > >>>>> BloggerAPI version, it still does not work (I set up flickr to > >>>>> use the > >>>>> BloggerAPI) > >>>>> > >>>>> Also interesting, is that Typo does not seem to care one bit > >>>>> that when > >>>>> we use flickr's MT support that it adds that little extra > >>>>> mt-xmlrpc.cgi thing on the end. Typo handles that beautifully. > >>>>> It gets > >>>>> hung up when flickr asks for blogger.getUsersBlogs which we > >>>>> seem to be > >>>>> sending errors on. > >>>>> > >>>>> Is there any way to see what we are sending back to flickr when it > >>>>> makes this request? > >>>>> > >>>>> On 11/20/05, Scott Laird wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Nov 20, 2005, at 5:01 PM, Freedom Dumlao wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Scott, the call is part of the new spec, it can be found here: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> http://www.xmlrpc.com/stories/storyReader$2460 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Interesting. So it's just a copy of the Blogger API call? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Scott > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> Typo-list mailing list > >>>>>> Typo-list at rubyforge.org > >>>>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Typo-list mailing list > >>>> Typo-list at rubyforge.org > >>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > >>>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Typo-list mailing list > >>> Typo-list at rubyforge.org > >>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > >>> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Typo-list mailing list > > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > From scott at sigkill.org Thu Dec 1 20:51:03 2005 From: scott at sigkill.org (Scott Laird) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 17:51:03 -0800 Subject: [typo] flickr XMLRPC not working? In-Reply-To: References: <2AAE0394-DCA8-45D4-8D50-9D6BADFCE56A@sigkill.org> <79928F73-7DC6-414F-A0F5-CAABF8536E41@sigkill.org> <328687de0511221216s7c47716cibfc6d06ecad8383a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <138CAD2F-E0AA-4BB0-BB55-8D34413BE447@sigkill.org> Not yet; hopefully by the end of this weekend. The last week and a half has been bizarre (new job in a new city, etc), but things are settling down. I finally had time last night to work on Typo for the first time in a week. Scott On Dec 1, 2005, at 5:15 PM, Freedom Dumlao wrote: > Has there been any update on this? > > On 11/22/05, Scott Laird wrote: >> That looks easy enough. I'll add it when I have time, but it may not >> be a week or so--I'll post details soon on my blog. >> >> >> Scott >> >> On Nov 22, 2005, at 7:32 PM, Freedom Dumlao wrote: >> >>> If anyone is interested, here is what flickr had to say: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> The spec for the MWA only defines a handful of methods that >>> are designed to sit on top of the Blogger API. >>> >>> Specifically : "The MetaWeblog API is designed to enhance >>> the Blogger API..." [1] so anything that claims to support >>> the MWA should support, in full, version 1 of the Blogger >>> API. >>> >>> We call getUsersBlogs because any given user may have more >>> than one blog that listens on a single endpoint. >>> >>> I have never used Typo but it sounds like this is a bug in >>> their implementation of the spec(s). >>> >>> --- >>> >>> [1] http://www.xmlrpc.com/metaWeblogApi >>> >>> >>> On 11/22/05, Freedom Dumlao wrote: >>>> No, it's still pending a resolution. There is a ticket in on the >>>> Typo >>>> trac system. >>>> >>>> On 11/22/05, Paul McKellar wrote: >>>>> was this ever resolved? mine still doesn't work but i played a >>>>> lot >>>>> with it before i checked the list for information >>>>> >>>>> On 11/20/05, Freedom Dumlao wrote: >>>>>> I posted my errors when using the BloggerAPI to trac if you >>>>>> would like to see. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 11/20/05, Freedom Dumlao wrote: >>>>>>> Yes it seems to be. The unfortunate thing is that even if you >>>>>>> use the >>>>>>> BloggerAPI version, it still does not work (I set up flickr to >>>>>>> use the >>>>>>> BloggerAPI) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also interesting, is that Typo does not seem to care one bit >>>>>>> that when >>>>>>> we use flickr's MT support that it adds that little extra >>>>>>> mt-xmlrpc.cgi thing on the end. Typo handles that beautifully. >>>>>>> It gets >>>>>>> hung up when flickr asks for blogger.getUsersBlogs which we >>>>>>> seem to be >>>>>>> sending errors on. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is there any way to see what we are sending back to flickr >>>>>>> when it >>>>>>> makes this request? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 11/20/05, Scott Laird wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Nov 20, 2005, at 5:01 PM, Freedom Dumlao wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Scott, the call is part of the new spec, it can be found here: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.xmlrpc.com/stories/storyReader$2460 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Interesting. So it's just a copy of the Blogger API call? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Scott >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Typo-list mailing list >>>>>>>> Typo-list at rubyforge.org >>>>>>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Typo-list mailing list >>>>>> Typo-list at rubyforge.org >>>>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Typo-list mailing list >>>>> Typo-list at rubyforge.org >>>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Typo-list mailing list >>> Typo-list at rubyforge.org >>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Typo-list mailing list >> Typo-list at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list From scott at sigkill.org Thu Dec 1 20:52:41 2005 From: scott at sigkill.org (Scott Laird) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 17:52:41 -0800 Subject: [typo] Permalink Structure In-Reply-To: <438F99A4.70504@uwmike.com> References: <438F99A4.70504@uwmike.com> Message-ID: <75017C31-74E5-4C12-AB55-6A7B84825C0B@sigkill.org> FWIW, the current Typo trunk can do this, if you fill out the 'redirects' table correctly. We need to document it and add it to the converters before 4.0. Scott On Dec 1, 2005, at 4:47 PM, Mike Purvis wrote: > Hi Kevin, > > I was moving from a hand-rolled blogging system to Typo. Because of my > Ruby inexperience, I did my permalinks using a simple PHP redirect. I > recommend this approach. Basically, you want a single RewriteRule in > your .htaccess file, which will funnel the old requests into a PHP > file. > The PHP file will then access the database, look up the date, and > construct the correct "new" link, and forward the browser there. > > To see it in action, try hitting > http://uwmike.com/archive/proper-forwarding and you can see that > you end > up redirected to the MT/Typo-style permalink: > http://uwmike.com/articles/2005/10/05/proper-forwarding > > Your htaccess rule would be like this: > > RewriteRule ^([0-9]+)/(.*)/?$ /redirect.php?id=$1&name=$2 [QSA,L] > > If you'd like the PHP source of the redirection file, just drop me a > line off-list. (or, perhaps one of the gurus here can share the Railsy > way to do it that doesn't break on upgrades...) > > Mike > > > facedown at mac.com wrote: > >> I've setup a test install of Typo, imported everything from WP, and >> have it ready to go except for one thing. On my WP blog, I'm using >> the following permalink structure: >> >> domain.tld/post_id/post_name/ >> >> I don't want to break incoming links and need to find a way to keep >> old links working in order to go live with the Typo install. I've >> found config/routes.rb and assume I might be able to set something in >> there to route visitors correctly, but don't know how to go about it. >> >> I really don't care about the final structure. IOW, if it's easier to >> keep the Typo install using the articles/year/mo/day/post_name/ >> structure while redirecting those who come in on the old links, >> that's okay. I'm not too concerned about links to category or date >> archives?only links to individual articles. >> >> I appreciate any help you can offer. I've spent much of this >> afternoon searching the Typo site, reading through the list archives, >> and searching Google, but don't know that I've hit on the right >> keywords, yet. If this has been written about elsewhere, I would >> appreciate the link. >> >> Thanks, >> Kevin >> _______________________________________________ >> Typo-list mailing list >> Typo-list at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list From facedown at mac.com Thu Dec 1 20:54:49 2005 From: facedown at mac.com (facedown@mac.com) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 17:54:49 -0800 Subject: [typo] Permalink Structure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've been playing with routes.rb. I've figured out how to get my old feed links to work with the following: map.xml 'feed/', :controller => 'xml', :action => 'rss' That does a fine job of parsing domain.tld/feed/ to the rss feed. I'm having a little more trouble with the article permalink. The biggest problem is that I don't know this language, at all. I'm trying to make sense of it from everything else that I'm reading in the file, but without any luck, so far. I'm not even sure I have the right "variable" tags in play. What I'd like to do is something like: map.connect ':id/:title', :controller => 'articles', :action => 'permalink' Can someone tell me if I'm even close with this? Thanks, Kevin On Dec 1, 2005, at 4:49 PM, Jason Bainbridge wrote: > Have a look at config/routes.rb and then I think you will be able > tofigure it out. ;) > I haven't had the time yet myself to work it all out but it > lookslogical enough. > Cheers,--Jason BainbridgeAn Aussie geek stuck in Texas - http:// > jasonbainbridge.comAdvertisement free blogs for those affected by > emergency situations -http://911blogs.com > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list From facedown at mac.com Thu Dec 1 20:58:18 2005 From: facedown at mac.com (facedown@mac.com) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 17:58:18 -0800 Subject: [typo] Permalink Structure In-Reply-To: <75017C31-74E5-4C12-AB55-6A7B84825C0B@sigkill.org> References: <438F99A4.70504@uwmike.com> <75017C31-74E5-4C12-AB55-6A7B84825C0B@sigkill.org> Message-ID: <1E3A7809-DF01-4B9A-9B26-4D9F013B71FD@mac.com> Thanks, Scott, but you've already lost me. :) If the 'redirects table' is something other than the routes.rb file I've been playing with, could you point me to the right place? Thanks, Kevin On Dec 1, 2005, at 5:52 PM, Scott Laird wrote: > FWIW, the current Typo trunk can do this, if you fill out the > 'redirects' table correctly. We need to document it and add it to > the converters before 4.0. > > > Scott > > On Dec 1, 2005, at 4:47 PM, Mike Purvis wrote: > >> Hi Kevin, >> >> I was moving from a hand-rolled blogging system to Typo. Because >> of my >> Ruby inexperience, I did my permalinks using a simple PHP redirect. I >> recommend this approach. Basically, you want a single RewriteRule in >> your .htaccess file, which will funnel the old requests into a PHP >> file. >> The PHP file will then access the database, look up the date, and >> construct the correct "new" link, and forward the browser there. >> >> To see it in action, try hitting >> http://uwmike.com/archive/proper-forwarding and you can see that >> you end >> up redirected to the MT/Typo-style permalink: >> http://uwmike.com/articles/2005/10/05/proper-forwarding >> >> Your htaccess rule would be like this: >> >> RewriteRule ^([0-9]+)/(.*)/?$ /redirect.php?id=$1&name=$2 [QSA,L] >> >> If you'd like the PHP source of the redirection file, just drop me a >> line off-list. (or, perhaps one of the gurus here can share the >> Railsy >> way to do it that doesn't break on upgrades...) >> >> Mike >> >> >> facedown at mac.com wrote: >> >>> I've setup a test install of Typo, imported everything from WP, and >>> have it ready to go except for one thing. On my WP blog, I'm using >>> the following permalink structure: >>> >>> domain.tld/post_id/post_name/ >>> >>> I don't want to break incoming links and need to find a way to keep >>> old links working in order to go live with the Typo install. I've >>> found config/routes.rb and assume I might be able to set >>> something in >>> there to route visitors correctly, but don't know how to go about >>> it. >>> >>> I really don't care about the final structure. IOW, if it's >>> easier to >>> keep the Typo install using the articles/year/mo/day/post_name/ >>> structure while redirecting those who come in on the old links, >>> that's okay. I'm not too concerned about links to category or date >>> archives?only links to individual articles. >>> >>> I appreciate any help you can offer. I've spent much of this >>> afternoon searching the Typo site, reading through the list >>> archives, >>> and searching Google, but don't know that I've hit on the right >>> keywords, yet. If this has been written about elsewhere, I would >>> appreciate the link. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Kevin >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Typo-list mailing list >>> Typo-list at rubyforge.org >>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Typo-list mailing list >> Typo-list at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list From jbainbridge at gmail.com Fri Dec 2 09:39:04 2005 From: jbainbridge at gmail.com (Jason Bainbridge) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 08:39:04 -0600 Subject: [typo] Permalink Structure In-Reply-To: <1E3A7809-DF01-4B9A-9B26-4D9F013B71FD@mac.com> References: <438F99A4.70504@uwmike.com> <75017C31-74E5-4C12-AB55-6A7B84825C0B@sigkill.org> <1E3A7809-DF01-4B9A-9B26-4D9F013B71FD@mac.com> Message-ID: On 12/1/05, facedown at mac.com wrote: > Thanks, Scott, but you've already lost me. :) > > If the 'redirects table' is something other than the routes.rb file > I've been playing with, could you point me to the right place? In the current SVN trunk it looks like there is a new redirects table that will allow you to do rewrite rules but there is just no GUI for it yet, I'm assuming the redirects would take the same or similar format as in routes.rb but I really have no idea. Cheers, -- Jason Bainbridge An Aussie geek stuck in Texas - http://jasonbainbridge.com Advertisement free blogs for those affected by emergency situations - http://911blogs.com From jbainbridge at gmail.com Fri Dec 2 09:39:40 2005 From: jbainbridge at gmail.com (Jason Bainbridge) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 08:39:40 -0600 Subject: [typo] Permalink Structure In-Reply-To: References: <438F99A4.70504@uwmike.com> <75017C31-74E5-4C12-AB55-6A7B84825C0B@sigkill.org> <1E3A7809-DF01-4B9A-9B26-4D9F013B71FD@mac.com> Message-ID: On 12/2/05, Jason Bainbridge wrote: > On 12/1/05, facedown at mac.com wrote: > > Thanks, Scott, but you've already lost me. :) > > > > If the 'redirects table' is something other than the routes.rb file > > I've been playing with, could you point me to the right place? > > In the current SVN trunk it looks like there is a new redirects table > that will allow you to do rewrite rules but there is just no GUI for > it yet, I'm assuming the redirects would take the same or similar > format as in routes.rb but I really have no idea. I meant to mention database table and not just table... -- Jason Bainbridge An Aussie geek stuck in Texas - http://jasonbainbridge.com Advertisement free blogs for those affected by emergency situations - http://911blogs.com From scott at sigkill.org Fri Dec 2 10:52:09 2005 From: scott at sigkill.org (Scott Laird) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:52:09 -0800 Subject: [typo] Permalink Structure In-Reply-To: References: <438F99A4.70504@uwmike.com> <75017C31-74E5-4C12-AB55-6A7B84825C0B@sigkill.org> <1E3A7809-DF01-4B9A-9B26-4D9F013B71FD@mac.com> Message-ID: On Dec 2, 2005, at 6:39 AM, Jason Bainbridge wrote: > On 12/1/05, facedown at mac.com wrote: >> Thanks, Scott, but you've already lost me. :) >> >> If the 'redirects table' is something other than the routes.rb file >> I've been playing with, could you point me to the right place? > > In the current SVN trunk it looks like there is a new redirects table > that will allow you to do rewrite rules but there is just no GUI for > it yet, I'm assuming the redirects would take the same or similar > format as in routes.rb but I really have no idea. They're not really very similar. Read http://scottstuff.net/blog/ articles/2005/11/17/a-little-help-for-migrating-to-typo, I explain things a bit there (note to self: I *really* need to start building a manual for Typo). The short version is that there's a table in the DB called 'redirects' with two fields (well, two that matter) called from_path and to_path. When Typo can't handle a specific URL on its own, it looks in the redirects table for help. So, you can put '100/ i_like_cheese.html', '/articles/2005/06/11/i_like_cheese' into redirects, and Typo will automatically move users from http:// www.myblog.com/100/i_like_cheese.html to http://www.myblog.com/ articles/2005/06/11/i_like_cheese. Make sense? Scott From phil at cryer.us Fri Dec 2 13:34:31 2005 From: phil at cryer.us (phil) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:34:31 -0600 Subject: [typo] Themes In-Reply-To: 1E3A7809-DF01-4B9A-9B26-4D9F013B71FD@mac.com Message-ID: <97d8a97b524c209fe7b95b2700be2271@localhost> Wow, I'm amazed at the amount of incredible themes that have been created thanks to the theme contest. I'm running one (Dots) that came out a month ago and I love it, but I'll have to give some others a try. Really great stuff, thanks to all that submitted, keep it up! P -- http://fak3r.com - you don't have to kick it From e.jonsson at gmail.com Fri Dec 2 14:11:42 2005 From: e.jonsson at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Einar_J=F3nsson?=) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:11:42 +0100 Subject: [typo] Problems in Typo install Message-ID: Hi, I am trying to setup typo on my laptop to play around with. However after following the steps listed in the README file, I get a blank page when accessing http://localhost:3000, and the server output shows a 500 error. Is this a known problem (with a known solution)? Here is some additional information: I downloaded and extracted the tarball, created the database schema (postgresql) and changed the config/database.yml file accordingly. I have tested the postgresql account by using pgadmin3 and everything seems to be in order. The output of the startup process seems normal: typo-2.6.0/script$ ./server -e production => Rails application started on http://0.0.0.0:3000 => Ctrl-C to shutdown server; call with --help for options [2005-12-02 19:56:41] INFO WEBrick 1.3.1 [2005-12-02 19:56:41] INFO ruby 1.8.3 (2005-06-23) [i486-linux] [2005-12-02 19:56:41] INFO WEBrick::HTTPServer#start: pid=15193 port=3000 When I load up http://localhost:3000 in the browser the following gets written to the server output console 127.0.0.1 - - [02/Dec/2005:20:03:27 CET] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 500 0 - -> / and this gets added to log/production.log (complete stacktrace removed): Processing Base#index (for 127.0.0.1 at 2005-12-02 20:03:27) [GET] Parameters: {} MissingSourceFile (no such file to load -- articles_controller): /usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:21:in `require__' ... followed by a stack trace It should be noted that I use other rails apps on this same laptop without problems. The permission of all the folders is set to drwxr-xr-x Any help would be greatly appreciated. Best regards, Einar -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/typo-list/attachments/20051202/e385b06d/attachment.htm From phil at cryer.us Fri Dec 2 17:19:23 2005 From: phil at cryer.us (phil) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 16:19:23 -0600 Subject: [typo] Trackback issue? In-Reply-To: ec4baa300512021111h3fffcbf1mef4f361f4ab9a725@mail.gmail.com Message-ID: I created a post that referenced a site that gave me the idea of the post in the first place. It shows up on his site, but sans my domain name. In other words: http://articles/2005/12/02/pocket-server instead of http://fak3r.com/articles/2005/12/02/pocket-server Not sure what I did wrong, there's nowhere to configure a trackback that I can see, would it be Technorati that munged it? His article: http://www.mckeay.net/secure/archives/000610.html His listing of my trackback: http://www.mckeay.net/secure/archives/000610.html My article on my site: http://fak3r.com/articles/2005/12/02/pocket-server Thanks P -- http://fak3r.com - you don't have to kick it From daejuan at gmail.com Fri Dec 2 19:00:03 2005 From: daejuan at gmail.com (Daejuan Jacobs) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:00:03 -0600 Subject: [typo] Trackback issue? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <93b350310512021600l4ffa90ddmeea3a205657ffa87@mail.gmail.com> May I ask what steps you used to make the track back. Also, are you using any proxying? On 12/2/05, phil wrote: > I created a post that referenced a site that gave me the idea of the post in the first place. It shows up on his site, but sans my domain name. In other words: > > http://articles/2005/12/02/pocket-server > > instead of > > http://fak3r.com/articles/2005/12/02/pocket-server > > Not sure what I did wrong, there's nowhere to configure a trackback that I can see, would it be Technorati that munged it? > > His article: > > http://www.mckeay.net/secure/archives/000610.html > > His listing of my trackback: > > http://www.mckeay.net/secure/archives/000610.html > > My article on my site: > > http://fak3r.com/articles/2005/12/02/pocket-server > > Thanks > > P > -- > http://fak3r.com - you don't have to kick it > > > > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > -- Man Wit Da Plan. From gilgit at gmail.com Fri Dec 2 22:52:10 2005 From: gilgit at gmail.com (David Richardson) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:52:10 -0700 Subject: [typo] Live search results location Message-ID: <35ac07b90512021952k47b601au1a1058823f688d63@mail.gmail.com> Does anyone other than me find the display of live search results inthe sidebar disconcerting and semantically incorrect? While I'm searching for something, the results of the query are myprimary focus. I want them to be visually dominant. Currently, theresults are squished into the sidebar. All the while, the sidebar isdancing a jig as the result list changes with each keystroke.Formatting of this block is hard enough in such a small space, withouthaving to deal with craptastic browsers that don't support max-widthand min-width and differing browser treatment of the margin andpadding properties. To further confuse matters, using a form submit to send the query tothe server displays the results in the main content
. What's the rationale for the current layout?-- D.R. From freedom at freedomdumlao.com Fri Dec 2 22:56:24 2005 From: freedom at freedomdumlao.com (Freedom Dumlao) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 22:56:24 -0500 Subject: [typo] Typo Forums? Message-ID: Why don't we have any typo forums? I think a forum might be easier to access than the mailing list, and the solutions and such would be much easier to search through and access for new users? If it is needed, I can provide hosting and a forums install very easily (donated, of course), just wondering if there was any particular reason this hadn't been done already. From freedom at freedomdumlao.com Fri Dec 2 23:00:46 2005 From: freedom at freedomdumlao.com (Freedom Dumlao) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 23:00:46 -0500 Subject: [typo] Live search results location In-Reply-To: <35ac07b90512021952k47b601au1a1058823f688d63@mail.gmail.com> References: <35ac07b90512021952k47b601au1a1058823f688d63@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3B72236D-292B-4F8A-B440-A47ED84D471C@freedomdumlao.com> I think the advantage to this is that it gives instantaneous feedback in the same way that Apple's Spotlight feature does, so you don't have to wait for a page to reload while you search. The Phokus theme (can be found at typogarden.com) does a nice job of using this feature. On Dec 2, 2005, at 10:52 PM, David Richardson wrote: > Does anyone other than me find the display of live search results > inthe sidebar disconcerting and semantically incorrect? > While I'm searching for something, the results of the query are > myprimary focus. I want them to be visually dominant. Currently, > theresults are squished into the sidebar. All the while, the > sidebar isdancing a jig as the result list changes with each > keystroke.Formatting of this block is hard enough in such a small > space, withouthaving to deal with craptastic browsers that don't > support max-widthand min-width and differing browser treatment of > the margin andpadding properties. > To further confuse matters, using a form submit to send the query > tothe server displays the results in the main content
. > What's the rationale for the current layout?-- > D.R. > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list From b.hutchison at gmail.com Fri Dec 2 23:27:08 2005 From: b.hutchison at gmail.com (Brian Hutchison) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:27:08 -0800 Subject: [typo] Live search results location In-Reply-To: <3B72236D-292B-4F8A-B440-A47ED84D471C@freedomdumlao.com> References: <35ac07b90512021952k47b601au1a1058823f688d63@mail.gmail.com> <3B72236D-292B-4F8A-B440-A47ED84D471C@freedomdumlao.com> Message-ID: David, I agree wholeheartedly. I modified the base theme to drop the blue live search box down rather than have the search results show up in the separate box. However, check out the Origami theme from Leevi Graham at http://typo.leevigraham.com/. I think his solution is far superior to mine. - Brian On 12/2/05, Freedom Dumlao wrote: > > I think the advantage to this is that it gives instantaneous feedback > in the same way that Apple's Spotlight feature does, so you don't > have to wait for a page to reload while you search. The Phokus theme > (can be found at typogarden.com) does a nice job of using this feature. > > > On Dec 2, 2005, at 10:52 PM, David Richardson wrote: > > > Does anyone other than me find the display of live search results > > inthe sidebar disconcerting and semantically incorrect? > > While I'm searching for something, the results of the query are > > myprimary focus. I want them to be visually dominant. Currently, > > theresults are squished into the sidebar. All the while, the > > sidebar isdancing a jig as the result list changes with each > > keystroke.Formatting of this block is hard enough in such a small > > space, withouthaving to deal with craptastic browsers that don't > > support max-widthand min-width and differing browser treatment of > > the margin andpadding properties. > > To further confuse matters, using a form submit to send the query > > tothe server displays the results in the main content
. > > What's the rationale for the current layout?-- > > D.R. > > _______________________________________________ > > Typo-list mailing list > > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/typo-list/attachments/20051202/3adce28b/attachment.htm From gilgit at gmail.com Sat Dec 3 00:34:43 2005 From: gilgit at gmail.com (David Richardson) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 22:34:43 -0700 Subject: [typo] Live search results location In-Reply-To: References: <35ac07b90512021952k47b601au1a1058823f688d63@mail.gmail.com> <3B72236D-292B-4F8A-B440-A47ED84D471C@freedomdumlao.com> Message-ID: <35ac07b90512022134w31e4b402hffe8a2b7ad6e8ff4@mail.gmail.com> I'm not objecting to the concept of live search, just the placement ofthe results. I've looked at almost all the themes at rubygarden, andmost of them either bork the live search feature, or just plain lookbad. The Origami theme does it right, by overlaying on top of the(fixed) sidebar content. I still believe that
should live in the maincontent area and overlay or hide it. This is where people have grownto expect the results. I can't see the advantage of leaving the normalcontent visible while doing any kind of search - it's just adistraction and it's all too easy to miss the results in the sidebarif the list is short or empty. My objective here is to see if there is a consensus on this and if so,to get a change into release 4. There are a couple of crufty layoutissues that detract from the generally great impression that Typomakes already. The other that comes to mind immediately is the articlecomposition form. The preview area dances around and changes size andthe options and controls which I want are always off screen. I can, and will fix these things on my own, but they all require minorre-arrangement of the way the page DOM is constructed. I'd prefer tosee changes like these be accepted into the trunk rather than remainpatches. And, I haven't been on the mailing list long enough to knowwhat it takes to get changes accepted. It would seem that a healthy consensus here is a good start, though. - D.R. --www.channel200.net aim: david.richardson at mac.comjabber/googletalk: channel200 at gmail.com From scott at sigkill.org Sat Dec 3 00:39:44 2005 From: scott at sigkill.org (Scott Laird) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 21:39:44 -0800 Subject: [typo] Live search results location In-Reply-To: <35ac07b90512022134w31e4b402hffe8a2b7ad6e8ff4@mail.gmail.com> References: <35ac07b90512021952k47b601au1a1058823f688d63@mail.gmail.com> <3B72236D-292B-4F8A-B440-A47ED84D471C@freedomdumlao.com> <35ac07b90512022134w31e4b402hffe8a2b7ad6e8ff4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <83CEBD9B-9CBA-4F16-B787-F74996F5CA92@sigkill.org> On Dec 2, 2005, at 9:34 PM, David Richardson wrote: > I'm not objecting to the concept of live search, just the placement > ofthe results. I've looked at almost all the themes at rubygarden, > andmost of them either bork the live search feature, or just plain > lookbad. The Origami theme does it right, by overlaying on top of > the(fixed) sidebar content. > I still believe that
should live in the > maincontent area and overlay or hide it. This is where people have > grownto expect the results. I can't see the advantage of leaving > the normalcontent visible while doing any kind of search - it's > just adistraction and it's all too easy to miss the results in the > sidebarif the list is short or empty. > My objective here is to see if there is a consensus on this and if > so,to get a change into release 4. There are a couple of crufty > layoutissues that detract from the generally great impression that > Typomakes already. The other that comes to mind immediately is the > articlecomposition form. The preview area dances around and changes > size andthe options and controls which I want are always off screen. > I can, and will fix these things on my own, but they all require > minorre-arrangement of the way the page DOM is constructed. I'd > prefer tosee changes like these be accepted into the trunk rather > than remainpatches. And, I haven't been on the mailing list long > enough to knowwhat it takes to get changes accepted. > It would seem that a healthy consensus here is a good start, > though. - D.R. I don't really care either way about the search box, but PLEASE give me a patch for the article preview box. It's horrific right now. Scott From gilgit at gmail.com Sat Dec 3 00:51:21 2005 From: gilgit at gmail.com (David Richardson) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 22:51:21 -0700 Subject: [typo] Live search results location In-Reply-To: <83CEBD9B-9CBA-4F16-B787-F74996F5CA92@sigkill.org> References: <35ac07b90512021952k47b601au1a1058823f688d63@mail.gmail.com> <3B72236D-292B-4F8A-B440-A47ED84D471C@freedomdumlao.com> <35ac07b90512022134w31e4b402hffe8a2b7ad6e8ff4@mail.gmail.com> <83CEBD9B-9CBA-4F16-B787-F74996F5CA92@sigkill.org> Message-ID: <35ac07b90512022151q3eef9144y8a74e408618c4170@mail.gmail.com> I'll do it first, Scott :-) Cheers,D.R. --www.channel200.net aim: david.richardson at mac.comjabber/googletalk: channel200 at gmail.com From gilgit at gmail.com Sat Dec 3 00:59:22 2005 From: gilgit at gmail.com (David Richardson) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 22:59:22 -0700 Subject: [typo] Typo Forums? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <35ac07b90512022159q58619dafla672686224a46dd8@mail.gmail.com> I suspect it's because mailing lists scale better for high traffic andare easier to administer (no content backup needed, high traffic justslows down delivery slightly, it doesn't kill access). I detest them, too. Much prefer NNTP, but that seems to be way out of fashion. gmane.org tracks a large number of mailing lists and puts them ontheir NNTP server and their (hideous) web interface, but this listdoesn't seem to be one of them. D.R. --www.channel200.net aim: david.richardson at mac.comjabber/googletalk: channel200 at gmail.com From jonasb.16759522 at bloglines.com Sat Dec 3 06:43:32 2005 From: jonasb.16759522 at bloglines.com (jonasb.16759522@bloglines.com) Date: 3 Dec 2005 11:43:32 -0000 Subject: [typo] Typo Forums? Message-ID: <1133610212.2740754874.14740.sendItem@bloglines.com> If there is going to be a forum, please make sure the mailing list and the forum is synced. I like the way it works for the Rails mailing list on http://www.ruby-forum.com. Perhaps Typo can get a forum there? /Jonas (jonas.b at home.se) --- Freedom Dumlao wrote: Why don't we have any typo forums? I think a forum might be easier to > access than the mailing list, and the solutions and such would be > much easier to search through and access for new users? > > If it is needed, I can provide hosting and a forums install very > easily (donated, of course), just wondering if there was any > particular reason this hadn't been done already. > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > From jonasb.16759522 at bloglines.com Sat Dec 3 06:50:20 2005 From: jonasb.16759522 at bloglines.com (jonasb.16759522@bloglines.com) Date: 3 Dec 2005 11:50:20 -0000 Subject: [typo] Live search results location Message-ID: <1133610620.3309288761.25292.sendItem@bloglines.com> I don't think this is up to Typo, but rather up to each theme. In my own theme I have no sidebar and put the live search result below the header and above main content. I prefer that location (but I have much more work to do on my theme to make it more usable and nice-looking). /Jonas (jonas.b at home.se) http://andthennothing.net --- David Richardson wrote: > Does anyone other than me find the display of live search results inthe sidebar disconcerting and semantically incorrect? > While I'm searching for something, the results of the query are myprimary focus. I want them to be visually dominant. Currently, theresults are squished into the sidebar. All the while, the sidebar isdancing a jig as the result list changes with each keystroke.Formatting of this block is hard enough in such a small space, withouthaving to deal with craptastic browsers that don't support max-widthand min-width and differing browser treatment of the margin andpadding properties. > To further confuse matters, using a form submit to send the query tothe server displays the results in the main content
. > What's the rationale for the current layout?-- > D.R. > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > From mike at uwmike.com Sat Dec 3 09:43:36 2005 From: mike at uwmike.com (Michael Purvis) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 09:43:36 -0500 Subject: [typo] Upgrading: Login Unsuccessful Message-ID: <4391AF18.3030208@uwmike.com> Hi again people, I'm afraid I must be cursed to always have rocky migration experiences... I'm at the latest trunk, and the site is functioning, adding comments, etc., but I'm not able to log in. I just get "Login Unsuccessful" every time. Is this a password/user problem, or is there something specific I should be looking for in the log files? Thanks, Mike -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.11/191 - Release Date: 02/12/2005 From justus at ryoohki.net Sat Dec 3 10:50:14 2005 From: justus at ryoohki.net (Justus Pendleton) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 08:50:14 -0700 Subject: [typo] Upgrading: Login Unsuccessful In-Reply-To: <4391AF18.3030208@uwmike.com> References: <4391AF18.3030208@uwmike.com> Message-ID: <4391BEB6.6060203@ryoohki.net> Michael Purvis wrote: > Hi again people, > > I'm afraid I must be cursed to always have rocky migration > experiences... I'm at the latest trunk, and the site is functioning, > adding comments, etc., but I'm not able to log in. I just get "Login > Unsuccessful" every time. Upgrading broke logins for me, too. You can fix it by doing this: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/typo-list/2005-November/001257.html From gilgit at gmail.com Sat Dec 3 12:12:06 2005 From: gilgit at gmail.com (David Richardson) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 10:12:06 -0700 Subject: [typo] Live search results location In-Reply-To: <1133610620.3309288761.25292.sendItem@bloglines.com> References: <1133610620.3309288761.25292.sendItem@bloglines.com> Message-ID: <35ac07b90512030912h20ca1ed8s4364d842ad0c21e9@mail.gmail.com> Jonas - you're correct. The theme designer can place the 'searchresults' element anywhere they choose - I'd missed that. There isstill the problem, though, that if you want to put it in the maincontent element, the article list must be hidden. Without changing code, perhaps the results list could be displayed ontop of the article list and styled to have a height of 100%. I'll trythat to see if it works cross-browser. On 3 Dec 2005 11:50:20 -0000, jonasb.16759522 at bloglines.com wrote:> I don't think this is up to Typo, but rather up to each theme. In my own> theme> I have no sidebar and put the live search result below the header and above> main content. I prefer that location (but I have much more work to do on my> theme to make it more usable and nice-looking).>> /Jonas (jonas.b at home.se)>> http://andthennothing.net>> --- David Richardson wrote:> > Does anyone other> than me find the display of live search results inthe sidebar disconcerting> and semantically incorrect?> > While I'm searching for something, the results> of the query are myprimary focus. I want them to be visually dominant.> Currently,> theresults are squished into the sidebar. All the while, the sidebar> isdancing> a jig as the result list changes with each keystroke.Formatting of this> block> is hard enough in such a small space, withouthaving to deal with craptastic> browsers that don't support max-widthand min-width and differing browser> treatment> of the margin andpadding properties.> > To further confuse matters, using> a form submit to send the query tothe server displays the results in the> main> content
.> > What's the rationale for the current layout?--> > D.R.> > _______________________________________________> > Typo-list mailing list>> > Typo-list at rubyforge.org> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list>> >> _______________________________________________> Typo-list mailing list> Typo-list at rubyforge.org> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list> --www.channel200.net From b.hutchison at gmail.com Sat Dec 3 14:02:47 2005 From: b.hutchison at gmail.com (Brian Hutchison) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 11:02:47 -0800 Subject: [typo] Live search results location In-Reply-To: <35ac07b90512030912h20ca1ed8s4364d842ad0c21e9@mail.gmail.com> References: <1133610620.3309288761.25292.sendItem@bloglines.com> <35ac07b90512030912h20ca1ed8s4364d842ad0c21e9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I agree that the main issue with live search is the location of the results, and that *is* up to the theme designer. Having the default theme work more like origami is a good step. My other usability problem with live search is that it inteferes with a standard usage model of search: type in a phrase, e.g. "pragmatic rails" and then click on an article, hit the back button, and look for the next article... wait, where did the list go? You have to type your search phrase over again. A way to "pin" the results in some way that persists would solve the problem. Another solution would be to offer a "see these results on a separate page" link at the top or bottom of the list, so tha the searcher can perform their click into/back iterations off that page. Let I sound like I'm against Live Search, I'm not. Just expressing my thoughts here in this dialogue and hoping to make a good feature even better. Thoughts? On 12/3/05, David Richardson wrote: > > Jonas - you're correct. The theme designer can place the 'searchresults' > element anywhere they choose - I'd missed that. There isstill the problem, > though, that if you want to put it in the maincontent element, the article > list must be hidden. > Without changing code, perhaps the results list could be displayed ontop > of the article list and styled to have a height of 100%. I'll trythat to see > if it works cross-browser. > On 3 Dec 2005 11:50:20 -0000, jonasb.16759522 at bloglines.com< > jonasb.16759522 at bloglines.com> wrote:> I don't think this is up to Typo, > but rather up to each theme. In my own> theme> I have no sidebar and put the > live search result below the header and above> main content. I prefer that > location (but I have much more work to do on my> theme to make it more > usable and nice-looking).>> /Jonas (jonas.b at home.se)>> > http://andthennothing.net>> --- David Richardson wrote:> > Does anyone > other> than me find the display of live search results inthe sidebar > disconcerting> and semantically incorrect?> > While I'm searching for > something, the results> of the query are myprimary focus. I want them to be > visually dominant.> Currently,> theresults are squished into the sidebar. > All the while, the sidebar> isdancing> a jig as the result list changes with > each keystroke.Formatting of this> block> is hard enough in such a small > space, withouthaving to deal with craptastic> browsers that don't su! > pport max-widthand min-width and differing browser> treatment> of the > margin andpadding properties.> > To further confuse matters, using> a form > submit to send the query tothe server displays the results in the> main> > content
.> > What's the rationale for the current layout?--> > D.R.> > > _______________________________________________> > Typo-list mailing > list>> > Typo-list at rubyforge.org> > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list>> >> > _______________________________________________> Typo-list mailing list> > Typo-list at rubyforge.org> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list> > > --www.channel200.net > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/typo-list/attachments/20051203/c672f49e/attachment.htm From justus at ryoohki.net Sat Dec 3 17:36:02 2005 From: justus at ryoohki.net (Justus Pendleton) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 15:36:02 -0700 Subject: [typo] Live search results location In-Reply-To: References: <1133610620.3309288761.25292.sendItem@bloglines.com> <35ac07b90512030912h20ca1ed8s4364d842ad0c21e9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43921DD2.5080407@ryoohki.net> Brian Hutchison wrote: > A way to "pin" the results in some way that persists would solve the > problem. Another solution would be to offer a "see these results on a > separate page" link at the top or bottom of the list, so tha the > searcher can perform their click into/back iterations off that page. Everyone knows that if you press enter in the search box (you know, just like do with google, yahoo, a9, and every other search engine) typo takes you to a page of search results, right? The results are in the main content area. Back and forward work fine. No live search. From justus at ryoohki.net Sat Dec 3 17:57:32 2005 From: justus at ryoohki.net (Justus Pendleton) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 15:57:32 -0700 Subject: [typo] Typo Forums? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <439222DC.4080708@ryoohki.net> Freedom Dumlao wrote: > Why don't we have any typo forums? Gmane has a mailing list gateway that presents the list via NNTP and two different web interfaces. You can see it here: http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.typo.user If the list admins for this group don't mind I'll send email to the gmane people today or tomorrow and have them import the typo list archives into gmane. > I think a forum might be easier to access than the mailing list I think that might be part of why there isn't a forum ;-) Is figuring out how to subscribe to a mailing list really that big of a hurdle for someone who wants to run a commercially unsupported blog system that depends on a web framework that hasn't had its official 1.0 release yet and is written in a language that a lot of hosting providers don't support? > would be much easier to search through and access for new users? You can search the mailing list pretty easily with google right now. Try "site:http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/typo-list/ truncate table users", for instance. Of course that could be made easier by adding a simple form to the typo website. If gmane imports the archives then you can search them from there, as well. -- Justus From ccagle at alumni.utexas.net Sat Dec 3 20:55:43 2005 From: ccagle at alumni.utexas.net (Clint Cagle) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 19:55:43 -0600 Subject: [typo] help - not formatting Message-ID: <43924C9F.7010803@alumni.utexas.net> The typo code tag in my articles is not formatting properly. I am using the default azure theme and I have installed the syntax gem (sudo gem install syntax)and am running typo trunk (unsure how to determine the version of typo I am running) | class Foo def bar "abcde" end end | I'll be glad to post the typo version if someone can tell me how to determine the trunk I have installed. An example of the issue is at Clint's place Thanks in advance, Clint From justus at ryoohki.net Sat Dec 3 21:04:24 2005 From: justus at ryoohki.net (Justus Pendleton) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 19:04:24 -0700 Subject: [typo] help - not formatting In-Reply-To: <43924C9F.7010803@alumni.utexas.net> References: <43924C9F.7010803@alumni.utexas.net> Message-ID: <43924EA8.6080601@ryoohki.net> Clint Cagle wrote: > and am running typo trunk (unsure how to determine the version of > typo I am running) Run "svnversion path/to/typo", that should tell you what revision you're using. > | > class Foo > def bar > "abcde" > end > end > | I think you have to close the typo tags. I don't see a in your example above. That might be the problem if the actual article is doing the same thing. -- Justus From ccagle at alumni.utexas.net Sat Dec 3 22:00:58 2005 From: ccagle at alumni.utexas.net (Clint Cagle) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 21:00:58 -0600 Subject: [typo] help - not formatting In-Reply-To: <43924EA8.6080601@ryoohki.net> References: <43924C9F.7010803@alumni.utexas.net> <43924EA8.6080601@ryoohki.net> Message-ID: <43925BEA.8080806@alumni.utexas.net> Closing the tag resolved the issue! Thank you Justus Pendleton wrote: >Clint Cagle wrote: > > >>and am running typo trunk (unsure how to determine the version of >>typo I am running) >> >> > >Run "svnversion path/to/typo", that should tell you what revision you're >using. > > > >>| >>class Foo >> def bar >> "abcde" >> end >>end >>| >> >> > >I think you have to close the typo tags. I don't see a in >your example above. That might be the problem if the actual article is >doing the same thing. > >-- >Justus >_______________________________________________ >Typo-list mailing list >Typo-list at rubyforge.org >http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > > > From tenthconcept at gmail.com Sat Dec 3 21:50:18 2005 From: tenthconcept at gmail.com (Tracey) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 02:50:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [typo] Admin controller hacking Message-ID: I have been spending some time learning Rails and I thought one of the easiest ways is to contribute to typo. My first thoughts were to clean up the admin interface. When you "Publish Changes" in the admin sidebar controller it uses render :partial=>'publish' to flash the message "Changes published." I think it would be a good idea to use this in other controllers. For example, in the theme controller, you recieve no feedback when you activate a new theme. Just to do something quick, in themes_controller.rb, I added render :partial=>'publish' to switchto(): def switchto setting = (Setting.find_by_name('theme') or Setting.new("name" => 'theme')) setting.value = params[:theme] setting.save render :partial => 'publish' redirect_to :action => 'index' end and I then inserted _publish.rhtml in /app/views/admin/themes with this code:

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Nothing happens with these changes. What could the problem be? Is there another way of accomplishing this? I am new to Rails and programming, so any help, thoughts or ideas are greatly appreciated. Tracey http://52reasons.ath.cx From wyldeone at gmail.com Sat Dec 3 23:28:34 2005 From: wyldeone at gmail.com (Micah Wylde) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 20:28:34 -0800 Subject: [typo] Admin controller hacking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <106fc6ec0512032028r327f0f01mf4908db42da1d7a0@mail.gmail.com> The arguement that the script.aculo.us scripts use refers to the id of the div to which the effect is to be applied. So, to make your example work you would have to have the partial be:

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My js isn't very good, and I'm not sure that it can be placed just in the body like that. You may need to also place the javascript somewhere else. On 12/3/05, Tracey wrote: > > I have been spending some time learning Rails and I thought one of the > easiest > ways is to contribute to typo. My first thoughts were to clean up the > admin > interface. > > When you "Publish Changes" in the admin sidebar controller it uses render > :partial=>'publish' to flash the message "Changes published." > > I think it would be a good idea to use this in other controllers. For > example, > in the theme controller, you recieve no feedback when you activate a new > theme. > > Just to do something quick, in themes_controller.rb, I added render > :partial=>'publish' to switchto(): > > def switchto > > setting = (Setting.find_by_name('theme') or Setting.new("name" => > 'theme')) > setting.value = params[:theme] > setting.save > render :partial => 'publish' > redirect_to :action => 'index' > > end > > and I then inserted _publish.rhtml in /app/views/admin/themes with this > code: > >

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> > > Nothing happens with these changes. What could the problem be? Is there > another way of accomplishing this? I am new to Rails and programming, so > any > help, thoughts or ideas are greatly appreciated. > > Tracey > http://52reasons.ath.cx > > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > -- Micah Wylde -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/typo-list/attachments/20051203/627cca0b/attachment.htm From b.hutchison at gmail.com Sat Dec 3 23:48:24 2005 From: b.hutchison at gmail.com (Brian Hutchison) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 20:48:24 -0800 Subject: [typo] Live search results location In-Reply-To: <43921DD2.5080407@ryoohki.net> References: <1133610620.3309288761.25292.sendItem@bloglines.com> <35ac07b90512030912h20ca1ed8s4364d842ad0c21e9@mail.gmail.com> <43921DD2.5080407@ryoohki.net> Message-ID: Yes, just elevating the discoverability of that in the theme would help. On 12/3/05, Justus Pendleton wrote: > > Brian Hutchison wrote: > > A way to "pin" the results in some way that persists would solve the > > problem. Another solution would be to offer a "see these results on a > > separate page" link at the top or bottom of the list, so tha the > > searcher can perform their click into/back iterations off that page. > > Everyone knows that if you press enter in the search box (you know, just > like do with google, yahoo, a9, and every other search engine) typo > takes you to a page of search results, right? The results are in the > main content area. Back and forward work fine. No live search. > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/typo-list/attachments/20051203/1b7ad64a/attachment.htm From freedom at freedomdumlao.com Sun Dec 4 00:17:45 2005 From: freedom at freedomdumlao.com (Freedom Dumlao) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 00:17:45 -0500 Subject: [typo] Typo Forums? In-Reply-To: <439222DC.4080708@ryoohki.net> References: <439222DC.4080708@ryoohki.net> Message-ID: The mailing list may be *easy* to sign up for, but it is a pain in the neck to find information on. If you want the answer to one question, you must *subscribe* to the mailing list. You may decide to do a google search for your answer, but I will tell you that every question I have researched this way has returned results for several different rails apps, and not just typo specifically. It's frustrating. And when the question is one you are SURE has been asked before, a person is not likely to feel that the question is welcome on the mailing list. Another disadvantage to the mailing list is that I have to receive EVERY thread, regardless of weather or not I give a crap about it. Yes, all of my typo list stuff is filtered to its own box, but still, watching one thread is not convenient. As far as the gmane thing, its nice to have them suck up the info, but the fact is the info is re-displayed in a flat out ugly way. For a piece of software that is so beautiful to use, it sure is ugly trying to get support for it. There is just no elegance in a mailing list/NNTP/gmane support system, backed up by Trac, which while a good ticked and development tracking system, is certainly not the ideal solution for a primary website for something like typo. I don't really know what Typo's plans are as far as what it wants to become. With the recent theme promotion and contest, it really seemed like typo was trying to reach out to the masses and say, look at me! But many people will be discouraged by the current support system, especially if they are used to the much more popular support system, the forum. If Typo wants to become the popular blogging system it deserves to be, it is going to need a more available format. NNTP is nice, but still requires news software to access. I can't get to it from the office at my day job, or from an international internet cafe. My point is this: a forum is plain EASY to use and everyone is familiar with the concepts. Patching together multiple various technologies and relying GOOGLE to be the lists search engine (which of course wont index every day) is not strong enough to escalate Typo to the usership of other popular systems. Unless the idea is to keep out everyone except those who are already rails initiates, I cannot think of a good reason not to use a forum. On Dec 3, 2005, at 5:57 PM, Justus Pendleton wrote: > Freedom Dumlao wrote: >> Why don't we have any typo forums? > > Gmane has a mailing list gateway that presents the list via NNTP > and two > different web interfaces. You can see it here: > > http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.typo.user > > If the list admins for this group don't mind I'll send email to the > gmane people today or tomorrow and have them import the typo list > archives into gmane. > >> I think a forum might be easier to access than the mailing list > > I think that might be part of why there isn't a forum ;-) Is figuring > out how to subscribe to a mailing list really that big of a hurdle for > someone who wants to run a commercially unsupported blog system that > depends on a web framework that hasn't had its official 1.0 release > yet > and is written in a language that a lot of hosting providers don't > support? > >> would be much easier to search through and access for new users? > > You can search the mailing list pretty easily with google right now. > Try "site:http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/typo-list/ truncate table > users", for instance. Of course that could be made easier by adding a > simple form to the typo website. If gmane imports the archives > then you > can search them from there, as well. > > -- > Justus > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list From ccagle at alumni.utexas.net Sun Dec 4 00:28:02 2005 From: ccagle at alumni.utexas.net (Clint Cagle) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 23:28:02 -0600 Subject: [typo] Typo Forums? In-Reply-To: References: <439222DC.4080708@ryoohki.net> Message-ID: <43927E62.8000206@alumni.utexas.net> IMHO we need a typo forum Freedom Dumlao wrote: >The mailing list may be *easy* to sign up for, but it is a pain in >the neck to find information on. If you want the answer to one >question, you must *subscribe* to the mailing list. You may decide to >do a google search for your answer, but I will tell you that every >question I have researched this way has returned results for several >different rails apps, and not just typo specifically. It's >frustrating. And when the question is one you are SURE has been asked >before, a person is not likely to feel that the question is welcome >on the mailing list. > >Another disadvantage to the mailing list is that I have to receive >EVERY thread, regardless of weather or not I give a crap about it. >Yes, all of my typo list stuff is filtered to its own box, but still, >watching one thread is not convenient. > >As far as the gmane thing, its nice to have them suck up the info, >but the fact is the info is re-displayed in a flat out ugly way. For >a piece of software that is so beautiful to use, it sure is ugly >trying to get support for it. There is just no elegance in a mailing >list/NNTP/gmane support system, backed up by Trac, which while a good >ticked and development tracking system, is certainly not the ideal >solution for a primary website for something like typo. > >I don't really know what Typo's plans are as far as what it wants to >become. With the recent theme promotion and contest, it really seemed >like typo was trying to reach out to the masses and say, look at me! >But many people will be discouraged by the current support system, >especially if they are used to the much more popular support system, >the forum. > >If Typo wants to become the popular blogging system it deserves to >be, it is going to need a more available format. NNTP is nice, but >still requires news software to access. I can't get to it from the >office at my day job, or from an international internet cafe. > >My point is this: a forum is plain EASY to use and everyone is >familiar with the concepts. Patching together multiple various >technologies and relying GOOGLE to be the lists search engine (which >of course wont index every day) is not strong enough to escalate Typo >to the usership of other popular systems. Unless the idea is to keep >out everyone except those who are already rails initiates, I cannot >think of a good reason not to use a forum. > > >On Dec 3, 2005, at 5:57 PM, Justus Pendleton wrote: > > > >>Freedom Dumlao wrote: >> >> >>>Why don't we have any typo forums? >>> >>> >>Gmane has a mailing list gateway that presents the list via NNTP >>and two >>different web interfaces. You can see it here: >> >>http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.typo.user >> >>If the list admins for this group don't mind I'll send email to the >>gmane people today or tomorrow and have them import the typo list >>archives into gmane. >> >> >> >>>I think a forum might be easier to access than the mailing list >>> >>> >>I think that might be part of why there isn't a forum ;-) Is figuring >>out how to subscribe to a mailing list really that big of a hurdle for >>someone who wants to run a commercially unsupported blog system that >>depends on a web framework that hasn't had its official 1.0 release >>yet >>and is written in a language that a lot of hosting providers don't >>support? >> >> >> >>>would be much easier to search through and access for new users? >>> >>> >>You can search the mailing list pretty easily with google right now. >>Try "site:http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/typo-list/ truncate table >>users", for instance. Of course that could be made easier by adding a >>simple form to the typo website. If gmane imports the archives >>then you >>can search them from there, as well. >> >>-- >>Justus >>_______________________________________________ >>Typo-list mailing list >>Typo-list at rubyforge.org >>http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >Typo-list mailing list >Typo-list at rubyforge.org >http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > > > From william.a at carrel.org Sun Dec 4 02:03:01 2005 From: william.a at carrel.org (William A. Carrel) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 23:03:01 -0800 Subject: [typo] Typo Forums? In-Reply-To: <1133610212.2740754874.14740.sendItem@bloglines.com> References: <1133610212.2740754874.14740.sendItem@bloglines.com> Message-ID: On Dec 3, 2005, at 3:43 AM, jonasb.16759522 at bloglines.com wrote: > If there is going to be a forum, please make sure the mailing list > and the > forum is synced. I like the way it works for the Rails mailing list > on http://www.ruby-forum.com. > Perhaps Typo can get a forum there? I second this. It does no good to balkanize the user community by making an artificial separation between whatever method of passing group messages floats your personal boat, whether it be web-forums or wikis or mailing lists or NNTP or a snail-mailed newsletter. There is no single "silver bullet" for effective communication with any single group of end users. The various tools should be tied as strongly as possible so that people providing help can communicate it to all points in one action without having to repeat themselves. There are pluses and minuses to all the methods above, despite the inability of the advocates and detractors of each to admit it. ;-) Down one of the other branches of the thread someone talked about Trac's perceived ugliness. It can be prettied up quite a bit, the Colloquy trac install at http://project.colloquy.info/trac/ is a good example of what can be done to integrate it nicely into a static site of pages. FWIW, I prefer (a) NNTP newsreaders (b) mailing list (c) gmane's web interface in that order. Scrolling around, opening a tab for every thread, and waiting for the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc. pages to load in most web forums is more than I care to deal with. That and most web forums are pretty much unusable surfing from my PDA. My needs, of course, may not reflect those of the larger user community or you, so please lower your flamethrower. If someone is really worked up about this they should put the energy into making it happen; if it takes off then it was meant to be, if not c'est la vie. __ wac From victor-typo at carotena.net Sun Dec 4 08:26:35 2005 From: victor-typo at carotena.net (Victor Jalencas) Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 14:26:35 +0100 Subject: [typo] Typo Forums? In-Reply-To: References: <439222DC.4080708@ryoohki.net> Message-ID: <4392EE8B.4040808@carotena.net> Freedom Dumlao wrote: > The mailing list may be *easy* to sign up for, but it is a pain in > the neck to find information on. If you want the answer to one > question, you must *subscribe* to the mailing list. Unless you respond directly to the user. Of course, if you know what to respond, chances are you are already subscribed. > You may decide to > do a google search for your answer, but I will tell you that every > question I have researched this way has returned results for several > different rails apps, and not just typo specifically. You should restrict the scope to the typo list archive then > It's > frustrating. And when the question is one you are SURE has been asked > before, a person is not likely to feel that the question is welcome > on the mailing list. If it's so commonplace, chances are a) the answer is in the archive b) the answer is published on some blog somewhere > > Another disadvantage to the mailing list is that I have to receive > EVERY thread, regardless of weather or not I give a crap about it. The inverse is true of forums: How do I know I am not missing anything interesting? How does the forum keep track of which threads have been already read by me, and how does it notify me of new posts? How does it know if I'm accessing anonymously from an internet cafe? Also, do I really need to open a page full of answers to a poster, when by looking at the first post I would already know that I am not interested? Or, do I need to download and read through the whole thread just to read a couple of new messages (one of them being 'me too') when a few mail bytes would have sufficed? Yes, of course, you can paginate the posts, but I don't call that accessible. > Yes, all of my typo list stuff is filtered to its own box, but still, > watching one thread is not convenient. I am not sure what you mean by convenience of watching a thread here > > As far as the gmane thing, its nice to have them suck up the info, > but the fact is the info is re-displayed in a flat out ugly way. For > a piece of software that is so beautiful to use, it sure is ugly > trying to get support for it. I would say these two statements are unrelated. No one here can control how gmane looks like. > There is just no elegance in a mailing > list/NNTP/gmane support system, backed up by Trac, which while a good > ticked and development tracking system, is certainly not the ideal > solution for a primary website for something like typo. I disagree. I think mailing lists are more elegant than forums, for certain purposes. And this is one of them. But then again, you are presuming the main website should be devoted to support. Why not devote it to promotion, or to development, or to the community? > > I don't really know what Typo's plans are as far as what it wants to > become. With the recent theme promotion and contest, it really seemed > like typo was trying to reach out to the masses and say, look at me! > But many people will be discouraged by the current support system, > especially if they are used to the much more popular support system, > the forum. More popular according to who? > If Typo wants to become the popular blogging system it deserves to > be, it is going to need a more available format. NNTP is nice, but > still requires news software to access. I can't get to it from the > office at my day job, or from an international internet cafe. Don't you have outlook express? I thought it still came bundled with windows (which I assume is what most offices and internet cafes use today) In any case, I wouldn't expect my boss to tolerate me browsing typo posts while at work. > My point is this: a forum is plain EASY to use and everyone is > familiar with the concepts. Patching together multiple various > technologies and relying GOOGLE to be the lists search engine (which > of course wont index every day) is not strong enough to escalate Typo > to the usership of other popular systems. Unless the idea is to keep > out everyone except those who are already rails initiates, I cannot > think of a good reason not to use a forum. Well, a forum has also certain disadvantages: * If the forum server falls, you need to use google cache or something like that. While I will be able to access my mailing list archive in 200 years (provided I'm still alive) and see the latest posts in my blackberry or PDA (if I had one) * You need to register (and sign in) when you want to answer a question, even when you want to respond individually to a poster. If not necessary, forums soon become spamfected * You need a web browser to access them, with good table support. So, lynx is ruled out when you're in a system with shell only access (yes, this is far-fetched) * There's always the need to nominate forum moderators, which need to be managed by the maintainer. This reeks of elitism to me (but that's just me of course) * Forum maintainers always find the need to put google ads somehow. I respect their need to offset the costs, but then, they shouldn't offer to donate resources if they can't keep them up. * Mail messages are easier to parse. If you want to devote a forum for support, by all means do so. I don't want to appear as if I want to prevent you from doing it, just answering your points here. I expect the developers will keep posting on the mailing list as well, though. > > On Dec 3, 2005, at 5:57 PM, Justus Pendleton wrote: > >> Freedom Dumlao wrote: >>> Why don't we have any typo forums? >> Gmane has a mailing list gateway that presents the list via NNTP >> and two >> different web interfaces. You can see it here: >> >> http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.typo.user >> >> If the list admins for this group don't mind I'll send email to the >> gmane people today or tomorrow and have them import the typo list >> archives into gmane. >> >>> I think a forum might be easier to access than the mailing list >> I think that might be part of why there isn't a forum ;-) Is figuring >> out how to subscribe to a mailing list really that big of a hurdle for >> someone who wants to run a commercially unsupported blog system that >> depends on a web framework that hasn't had its official 1.0 release >> yet >> and is written in a language that a lot of hosting providers don't >> support? >> >>> would be much easier to search through and access for new users? >> You can search the mailing list pretty easily with google right now. >> Try "site:http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/typo-list/ truncate table >> users", for instance. Of course that could be made easier by adding a >> simple form to the typo website. If gmane imports the archives >> then you >> can search them from there, as well. >> >> -- >> Justus >> _______________________________________________ >> Typo-list mailing list >> Typo-list at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list From freedom at freedomdumlao.com Sun Dec 4 09:29:20 2005 From: freedom at freedomdumlao.com (Freedom Dumlao) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 09:29:20 -0500 Subject: [typo] Typo Forums? In-Reply-To: <4392EE8B.4040808@carotena.net> References: <439222DC.4080708@ryoohki.net> <4392EE8B.4040808@carotena.net> Message-ID: <5D175E7B-FEF1-4CE2-BEA0-C8DF483FF5C2@freedomdumlao.com> On Dec 4, 2005, at 8:26 AM, Victor Jalencas wrote: > Freedom Dumlao wrote: >> The mailing list may be *easy* to sign up for, but it is a pain in >> the neck to find information on. If you want the answer to one >> question, you must *subscribe* to the mailing list. > Unless you respond directly to the user. Of course, if you know > what to > respond, chances are you are already subscribed. If I were a *new* user, I would have no idea *who* to ask. >> You may decide to >> do a google search for your answer, but I will tell you that every >> question I have researched this way has returned results for several >> different rails apps, and not just typo specifically. > You should restrict the scope to the typo list archive then While this may seem practical, the exact scope is not immediately obvious, not to mention that Google does not index frequently enough to make this really practical. >> It's >> frustrating. And when the question is one you are SURE has been asked >> before, a person is not likely to feel that the question is welcome >> on the mailing list. > If it's so commonplace, chances are a) the answer is in the archive > b) the answer is published on some blog somewhere Once again, the archive is not easily searchable, and why on earth would we want to rely on Google and other bloggers for our support system, its like saying "if you need help, go somewhere else!" >> >> Another disadvantage to the mailing list is that I have to receive >> EVERY thread, regardless of weather or not I give a crap about it. > The inverse is true of forums: How do I know I am not missing anything > interesting? How does the forum keep track of which threads have been > already read by me, phpBB keeps track of this for all registered users > and how does it notify me of new posts? it notifies you by email if any thread or forum has been updated, or you could log in > How does it > know if I'm accessing anonymously from an internet cafe? you log in, just the same as if you were checking email > Also, do I really need to open a page full of answers to a poster, > when > by looking at the first post I would already know that I am not > interested? Or, do I need to download and read through the whole > thread > just to read a couple of new messages (one of them being 'me too') > when > a few mail bytes would have sufficed? most forums allow you to simply go to the last page automatically > Yes, of course, you can paginate > the posts, but I don't call that accessible. Obviously, the concept of accessible is *relative*, I have no problem with pagination. Also, this format would keep all the contents of one thread in one easily accessible place so someone new who hasn't yet joined the mailing list can easily get the info. >> Yes, all of my typo list stuff is filtered to its own box, but still, >> watching one thread is not convenient. > I am not sure what you mean by convenience of watching a thread here For example, if I only wanted to see this thread >> >> As far as the gmane thing, its nice to have them suck up the info, >> but the fact is the info is re-displayed in a flat out ugly way. For >> a piece of software that is so beautiful to use, it sure is ugly >> trying to get support for it. > I would say these two statements are unrelated. No one here can > control > how gmane looks like. Yes but you *can* opt not to use it as your sole source of archives >> There is just no elegance in a mailing >> list/NNTP/gmane support system, backed up by Trac, which while a good >> ticked and development tracking system, is certainly not the ideal >> solution for a primary website for something like typo. > I disagree. I think mailing lists are more elegant than forums, for > certain purposes. And this is one of them. But then again, you are > presuming the main website should be devoted to support. Why not > devote > it to promotion, or to development, or to the community? No that is not my presumption at all. I think it would be nice to see a main website that would connect you to the various parts of the community, for example, link me to trac for development, link me to forums for support, link me to downloads for a list of them, etc.. >> >> I don't really know what Typo's plans are as far as what it wants to >> become. With the recent theme promotion and contest, it really seemed >> like typo was trying to reach out to the masses and say, look at me! >> But many people will be discouraged by the current support system, >> especially if they are used to the much more popular support system, >> the forum. > More popular according to who? More popular as far as *userbase*. While mailing lists are quite common in developer communities, they are largely unknown amongst end users. Head over to MT or WordPress or even TextPattern's site and find the mailing list. These are the 2 most popular blogging systems, and less popular one, all with forums available for support. >> If Typo wants to become the popular blogging system it deserves to >> be, it is going to need a more available format. NNTP is nice, but >> still requires news software to access. I can't get to it from the >> office at my day job, or from an international internet cafe. > Don't you have outlook express? I thought it still came bundled with > windows I dont use windows. I do have a news reader however and I am comfortable using it. > (which I assume is what most offices and internet cafes use today) This is a terrible assumption. My office uses Outlook, but is filtered exclusively to our exchange server. Internet cafes more often then not do *not* provide an email client at all. Only web. > In any case, I wouldn't expect my boss to tolerate me browsing typo > posts while at work. Im sure your boss wouldn't. Mine does. But the corporation is not going to relax its filtering system for a couple of end users. >> My point is this: a forum is plain EASY to use and everyone is >> familiar with the concepts. Patching together multiple various >> technologies and relying GOOGLE to be the lists search engine (which >> of course wont index every day) is not strong enough to escalate Typo >> to the usership of other popular systems. Unless the idea is to keep >> out everyone except those who are already rails initiates, I cannot >> think of a good reason not to use a forum. > Well, a forum has also certain disadvantages: > * If the forum server falls, you need to use google cache or something > like that. While I will be able to access my mailing list archive > in 200 > years (provided I'm still alive) and see the latest posts in my > blackberry or PDA (if I had one) My webserver has 99.9% uptime. If its ever down, it will be up again within 5 minutes. Not to mention it is backed up nightly. > * You need to register (and sign in) when you want to answer a > question, > even when you want to respond individually to a poster. If not > necessary, forums soon become spamfected You must register for the mailing list, and sign into the email server. And you are correct that it would be undesirable to allow anonymous posting as that does generate spam. But what is stopping a spammer from signing up for this list... > * You need a web browser to access them, with good table support. So, > lynx is ruled out when you're in a system with shell only access (yes, > this is far-fetched) Actually, I am a frequent user of Lynx, and I am happy to report that it has EXCELLENT table support. > * There's always the need to nominate forum moderators, which need > to be > managed by the maintainer. This reeks of elitism to me (but that's > just > me of course) I agree this is a forums biggest challenge. The best way to solve it is relatively unkown, but I believe this is a challenge that is overcommable > * Forum maintainers always find the need to put google ads somehow. I > respect their need to offset the costs, but then, they shouldn't offer > to donate resources if they can't keep them up. I agree. And truly if an opensource forum is running ads, they had better be donating proceeds to the development of the project. IMHO. > * Mail messages are easier to parse. Sure, but why do you need to parse them, when they are already in an easy to use format. > If you want to devote a forum for support, by all means do so. I don't > want to appear as if I want to prevent you from doing it, just > answering > your points here. I expect the developers will keep posting on the > mailing list as well, though. I appreciate that. I certainly would like to provide a support forum for the community, and am fully willing to do so. I however could not offer the bulk of support myself. Someone earlier on made the statement that we should link up the forums to the mailing list, and this is *very* easy to do. This would allow both options to exist in tandem, both carrying the same information. This could give those who want it choice. I would not think of making such a move without approval from the community though. Because the community would be the sole source of support for the forum. > >> >> On Dec 3, 2005, at 5:57 PM, Justus Pendleton wrote: >> >>> Freedom Dumlao wrote: >>>> Why don't we have any typo forums? >>> Gmane has a mailing list gateway that presents the list via NNTP >>> and two >>> different web interfaces. You can see it here: >>> >>> http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.typo.user >>> >>> If the list admins for this group don't mind I'll send email to the >>> gmane people today or tomorrow and have them import the typo list >>> archives into gmane. >>> >>>> I think a forum might be easier to access than the mailing list >>> I think that might be part of why there isn't a forum ;-) Is >>> figuring >>> out how to subscribe to a mailing list really that big of a >>> hurdle for >>> someone who wants to run a commercially unsupported blog system that >>> depends on a web framework that hasn't had its official 1.0 release >>> yet >>> and is written in a language that a lot of hosting providers don't >>> support? >>> >>>> would be much easier to search through and access for new users? >>> You can search the mailing list pretty easily with google right now. >>> Try "site:http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/typo-list/ truncate table >>> users", for instance. Of course that could be made easier by >>> adding a >>> simple form to the typo website. If gmane imports the archives >>> then you >>> can search them from there, as well. >>> >>> -- >>> Justus >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Typo-list mailing list >>> Typo-list at rubyforge.org >>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Typo-list mailing list >> Typo-list at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list From jbainbridge at gmail.com Sun Dec 4 09:44:00 2005 From: jbainbridge at gmail.com (Jason Bainbridge) Date: 04 Dec 2005 08:44:00 -0600 Subject: [typo] Typo Forums? Message-ID: <3216530641.6533691@www.chatteremail.com> What it boils down to is that developer/hacker/tweaker types like mailing lists and end users like forums. Usually all development related discussions are held on a mailing list and general support is handled through forums with different sets of people that frequent them with some overlap. Regards, -- An Aussie geek stuck in Texas http://jasonbainbridge.com From freedom at freedomdumlao.com Sun Dec 4 09:51:51 2005 From: freedom at freedomdumlao.com (Freedom Dumlao) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 09:51:51 -0500 Subject: [typo] Typo Forums? In-Reply-To: <3216530641.6533691@www.chatteremail.com> References: <3216530641.6533691@www.chatteremail.com> Message-ID: <979BC301-AFCE-458B-A64B-148E885E2C6E@freedomdumlao.com> I concur. On Dec 4, 2005, at 9:44 AM, Jason Bainbridge wrote: > What it boils down to is that developer/hacker/tweaker types like > mailing lists and end users like forums. > > Usually all development related discussions are held on a mailing > list and general support is handled through forums with different > sets of people that frequent them with some overlap. > > Regards, > -- > An Aussie geek stuck in Texas > http://jasonbainbridge.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list From scott at sigkill.org Sun Dec 4 10:23:32 2005 From: scott at sigkill.org (Scott Laird) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 07:23:32 -0800 Subject: [typo] Typo Forums? In-Reply-To: <3216530641.6533691@www.chatteremail.com> References: <3216530641.6533691@www.chatteremail.com> Message-ID: <93002C0B-CD67-4712-9E07-9F99C70CD7AC@sigkill.org> On Dec 4, 2005, at 6:44 AM, Jason Bainbridge wrote: > What it boils down to is that developer/hacker/tweaker types like > mailing lists and end users like forums. > > Usually all development related discussions are held on a mailing > list and general support is handled through forums with different > sets of people that frequent them with some overlap. That seems like a pretty good summary. I'm a developer, and I've always seen forums as a black hole into which information falls, never to get back out, but that's because I can't cope with the "go to web site periodically to see if anything has changed" model that most forums seem to love. That, and for some reason most of the big forums don't seem to be indexed by Google. So, they don't help me when I'm searching for new information, and once I find it, they don't help me stay on top of what's happening. I don't think either of these are *fundamental* problems with forums, but most of the forums that I've used seem to suffer from them. So I won't generally use forums unless I'm left with no alternative. Scott From rasputnik at gmail.com Sun Dec 4 11:32:08 2005 From: rasputnik at gmail.com (Dick Davies) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 16:32:08 +0000 Subject: [typo] Typo Forums? In-Reply-To: <5D175E7B-FEF1-4CE2-BEA0-C8DF483FF5C2@freedomdumlao.com> References: <439222DC.4080708@ryoohki.net> <4392EE8B.4040808@carotena.net> <5D175E7B-FEF1-4CE2-BEA0-C8DF483FF5C2@freedomdumlao.com> Message-ID: <3f1760512040832p218856c5g@mail.gmail.com> On 04/12/05, Freedom Dumlao wrote: > > and how does it notify me of new posts? > it notifies you by email if any thread or forum has been updated Said without a trace of irony. Nice one :) -- Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns http://number9.hellooperator.net/ From pdcawley at bofh.org.uk Sun Dec 4 12:09:16 2005 From: pdcawley at bofh.org.uk (Piers Cawley) Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 17:09:16 +0000 Subject: [typo] Abstemious Cache Sweeping Message-ID: I've just posted a patch (Ticket #575 on the trac) which aims to move us further along the road to a cache system that doesn't have to flush the entire cache every time anything gets modified or added. Articles now get 'touched' every time a comment is added or deleted, which means that they get to sweep their cache, which is good. So, I'm about to start to add better tracking of cached pages, and I want to make sure that I've got my flushing rules straight in my head, so I'm brain dumping here. Here's the rules I've worked out so far: Action Pages to flush ------ -------------- An article is created Uncategorized index pages This month's archive page Category indexes for the categories in which the article appears. If the article has any categories, and the category sidebar is enabled, flush the entire cache. An article's content is modified The article's permalink Any index/archive/category pages on which it appears An article's category list changes The article's old category index pages The new category index pages Every page, if categories sidebar enabled An article gets a new comment or The article's permalink has a comment removed Any index pages the article appears on (comment count has changed) A article comment is modified The article's permalink A new trackback/trackback removed The article's permalink Any index pages the article appears on Category created/deleted Category's index pages if new category. Every page, if category sidebar enabled There's also issues with the tag cloud needing to be regenerated for every new article with tags. I'm half tempted to have article creation simply zap the entire cache and be done with it and just aim for better cache manipulation when new comments and trackbacks arrive. So, have I missed anything? Also, this is based on the azure theme's behaviour, but I'm going to try and avoid too much in the way of hard wiring. I'm also ignoring the implications of changing various other things in the admin interface, but the general way to deal with them is simply to zap the whole cache. -- Piers Cawley http://www.bofh.org.uk/ From scott at sigkill.org Sun Dec 4 12:23:59 2005 From: scott at sigkill.org (Scott Laird) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 09:23:59 -0800 Subject: [typo] Abstemious Cache Sweeping In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8688C3FD-BBDF-462A-818F-389D1F478163@sigkill.org> On Dec 4, 2005, at 9:09 AM, Piers Cawley wrote: > There's also issues with the tag cloud needing to be regenerated for > every new article with tags. I'm half tempted to have article creation > simply zap the entire cache and be done with it and just aim for > better cache manipulation when new comments and trackbacks arrive. > > So, have I missed anything? > > Also, this is based on the azure theme's behaviour, but I'm going > to try and avoid too much in the way of hard wiring. I'm also ignoring > the implications of changing various other things in the admin > interface, but the general way to deal with them is simply to zap the > whole cache. This looks pretty good, with a few additions: 1. XML feeds -- they need swept, and I'm not sure how general we can be with them--some need swept for every comment, while others don't care about comments at all. 2. Permalinks -- there is more then one permalink URL: /articles/ read/100 vs /articles/2005/10/10/hey_its_article_100 I'm starting to think that sweeping everything on article creation isn't such a bad thing, but it'd be nice to be more sane with article edits and especially comment creation. Scott From justus at ryoohki.net Sun Dec 4 12:34:21 2005 From: justus at ryoohki.net (Justus Pendleton) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 17:34:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [typo] Abstemious Cache Sweeping References: Message-ID: On 2005-12-04, Piers Cawley wrote: > So, I'm about to start to add better tracking of cached pages, and I > want to make sure that I've got my flushing rules straight in my head, > so I'm brain dumping here. Here's the rules I've worked out so far: > > An article is created Uncategorized index pages Everything also has a "and maybe flush all pages depending on what sidebars do" requirement. For instance, I have a sidebar that lists the 5 most recent posts. So I need to flush the cache on every article creation. It sounds like what you need is some way for sidebars to register which actions trigger an update/flush for them. Justus From pdcawley at bofh.org.uk Sun Dec 4 13:05:23 2005 From: pdcawley at bofh.org.uk (Piers Cawley) Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 18:05:23 +0000 Subject: [typo] Abstemious Cache Sweeping In-Reply-To: <8688C3FD-BBDF-462A-818F-389D1F478163@sigkill.org> (Scott Laird's message of "Sun, 4 Dec 2005 09:23:59 -0800") References: <8688C3FD-BBDF-462A-818F-389D1F478163@sigkill.org> Message-ID: Scott Laird writes: > On Dec 4, 2005, at 9:09 AM, Piers Cawley wrote: >> There's also issues with the tag cloud needing to be regenerated for >> every new article with tags. I'm half tempted to have article creation >> simply zap the entire cache and be done with it and just aim for >> better cache manipulation when new comments and trackbacks arrive. >> >> So, have I missed anything? >> >> Also, this is based on the azure theme's behaviour, but I'm going >> to try and avoid too much in the way of hard wiring. I'm also ignoring >> the implications of changing various other things in the admin >> interface, but the general way to deal with them is simply to zap the >> whole cache. > > This looks pretty good, with a few additions: > > 1. XML feeds -- they need swept, and I'm not sure how general we can > be with them--some need swept for every comment, while others don't > care about comments at all. > 2. Permalinks -- there is more then one permalink URL: /articles/ > read/100 vs /articles/2005/10/10/hey_its_article_100 I'm inclined to make /articles/read/100 be an uncached url. It's never linked internally and, on my version of Typo at least, I treat it as the 'unpublished' URL. If the article isn't published, then the 'read' page will be displayed iff the viewer is logged in. > I'm starting to think that sweeping everything on article creation > isn't such a bad thing, but it'd be nice to be more sane with article > edits and especially comment creation. I think I can get something up and running quickly that does a full sweep on category modification (iff the category sidebar's enabled) and article creation, but which does sane things on other article mods and comment creation. The development plan I have in mind should work for feeds as well. That way we'll be more trigger happy than we could be, but still rather better than we are now. -- Piers Cawley http://www.bofh.org.uk/ From pdcawley at bofh.org.uk Sun Dec 4 13:08:09 2005 From: pdcawley at bofh.org.uk (Piers Cawley) Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 18:08:09 +0000 Subject: [typo] Abstemious Cache Sweeping In-Reply-To: (Justus Pendleton's message of "Sun, 4 Dec 2005 17:34:21 +0000 (UTC)") References: Message-ID: Justus Pendleton writes: > On 2005-12-04, Piers Cawley wrote: >> So, I'm about to start to add better tracking of cached pages, and I >> want to make sure that I've got my flushing rules straight in my head, >> so I'm brain dumping here. Here's the rules I've worked out so far: >> >> An article is created Uncategorized index pages > > Everything also has a "and maybe flush all pages depending on what > sidebars do" requirement. For instance, I have a sidebar that lists the > 5 most recent posts. So I need to flush the cache on every article > creation. It sounds like what you need is some way for sidebars to > register which actions trigger an update/flush for them. Nice idea. The sidebar you're talking about would work fine with a 'nuke everything on article creation' approach, but that's not going to be the case for all such sidebars (5 most 'active' posts for instance). Personally, I become more and more convinced that we need to have some way of doing ajax rendering of sidebars. Or fragment caching, which brings its own set of problems because you have to track fragment dependencies. -- Piers Cawley http://www.bofh.org.uk/ From victor-typo at carotena.net Sun Dec 4 13:21:56 2005 From: victor-typo at carotena.net (Victor Jalencas) Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 19:21:56 +0100 Subject: [typo] Typo Forums? In-Reply-To: <5D175E7B-FEF1-4CE2-BEA0-C8DF483FF5C2@freedomdumlao.com> References: <439222DC.4080708@ryoohki.net> <4392EE8B.4040808@carotena.net> <5D175E7B-FEF1-4CE2-BEA0-C8DF483FF5C2@freedomdumlao.com> Message-ID: <439333C4.4080108@carotena.net> Freedom Dumlao wrote: > On Dec 4, 2005, at 8:26 AM, Victor Jalencas wrote: > >> Freedom Dumlao wrote: >>> The mailing list may be *easy* to sign up for, but it is a pain in >>> the neck to find information on. If you want the answer to one >>> question, you must *subscribe* to the mailing list. >> Unless you respond directly to the user. Of course, if you know >> what to >> respond, chances are you are already subscribed. > If I were a *new* user, I would have no idea *who* to ask. Sorry I misread you before. I understood you wanted to answer a question, not the answer to a question. In that case, it's a good idea (as well as good netiquette, however pass? that is) to lurk a bit before firing away questions. You might like the fire-and-forget post style forums promote these days, where most of them are newly signed up users who ask a question, get their response, and never come back. If that is the case, I concede a forum might be the best answer here. I am a bit old-fashioned, and I like getting to know people. > >>> You may decide to >>> do a google search for your answer, but I will tell you that every >>> question I have researched this way has returned results for several >>> different rails apps, and not just typo specifically. >> You should restrict the scope to the typo list archive then > While this may seem practical, the exact scope is not immediately > obvious, not to mention that Google does not index frequently enough > to make this really practical. Oh well. So you're telling me you're able to find a typo-focused forum, but not a mailing list archive? How much more scope exactness do you need? Also, once you're subscribed, either the answer is recent enough that you can look for it in your own archive (because you remember reading about it) or it is old enough to have been indexed by google. > >>> It's >>> frustrating. And when the question is one you are SURE has been asked >>> before, a person is not likely to feel that the question is welcome >>> on the mailing list. >> If it's so commonplace, chances are a) the answer is in the archive >> b) the answer is published on some blog somewhere > Once again, the archive is not easily searchable, and why on earth > would we want to rely on Google and other bloggers for our support > system, its like saying "if you need help, go somewhere else!" I was just making the point that the answer is bound to be findable through Google. That shouldn't refrain anyone from asking it on the list, because the person that knows how to answer won't mind posting a link to its own blog, even if repeated for the thousand time. If you are so SURE it has been asked before, what makes you think you shouldn't be looking elsewhere first? > >>> Another disadvantage to the mailing list is that I have to receive >>> EVERY thread, regardless of weather or not I give a crap about it. >> The inverse is true of forums: How do I know I am not missing anything >> interesting? How does the forum keep track of which threads have been >> already read by me, > phpBB keeps track of this for all registered users What about other forum engines? Last time I looked, forums needed you to register before being able to keep track of what you have read. > >> and how does it notify me of new posts? > it notifies you by email if any thread or forum has been updated, or > you could log in So umm... I need to 'subscribe' to a thread... interesting concept > >> How does it >> know if I'm accessing anonymously from an internet cafe? > you log in, just the same as if you were checking email When I said anonymously I was referring to 'without the need to log in', because you might not remember all your forum logins everywhere > >> Also, do I really need to open a page full of answers to a poster, >> when >> by looking at the first post I would already know that I am not >> interested? Or, do I need to download and read through the whole >> thread >> just to read a couple of new messages (one of them being 'me too') >> when >> a few mail bytes would have sufficed? > most forums allow you to simply go to the last page automatically >> Yes, of course, you can paginate >> the posts, but I don't call that accessible. > Obviously, the concept of accessible is *relative*, I have no problem > with pagination. I do. When my hands are on the keyboard, I can't use PgDown to go to the next page, I need to pick the mouse, and then click one, two, three times to go to the following pages. Once I'm done, I need to backtrack to the index page to keep reading, supposing I didn't open each thread in a tab. Depending on the mail client, hitting space is all I need to scroll trhough a post and to the next unread post in this thread or others (mutt, outlook, apple mail and thunderbird do this) Also, this format would keep all the contents of one > thread in one easily accessible place so someone new who hasn't yet > joined the mailing list can easily get the info. That points me to your answer before: if you were a *new* user, how would you *know* where that place is? And, do you think that joining a mailing list, is so high a barrier? > >>> Yes, all of my typo list stuff is filtered to its own box, but still, >>> watching one thread is not convenient. >> I am not sure what you mean by convenience of watching a thread here > For example, if I only wanted to see this thread I suppose you and I use different approaches then. I don't want to miss any thread, so I try to read them all. There's always that elusive nugget of knowledge that might always came useful, or you might see a question that you are able to answer for others There's mechanisms in most mail clients, though, to highlight specific threads (think thunderbird labels or gmail's star) > >>> As far as the gmane thing, its nice to have them suck up the info, >>> but the fact is the info is re-displayed in a flat out ugly way. For >>> a piece of software that is so beautiful to use, it sure is ugly >>> trying to get support for it. >> I would say these two statements are unrelated. No one here can >> control >> how gmane looks like. > Yes but you *can* opt not to use it as your sole source of archives Of course, no one said the contrary! Mailman does its own archives, and there's mhonarc as well. However, I'm afraid you want easily searchable archives, so none of these will fit your needs, I admit that readily. I wouldn't say phpBB has the most beautiful interface ever, though. > >>> There is just no elegance in a mailing >>> list/NNTP/gmane support system, backed up by Trac, which while a good >>> ticked and development tracking system, is certainly not the ideal >>> solution for a primary website for something like typo. >> I disagree. I think mailing lists are more elegant than forums, for >> certain purposes. And this is one of them. But then again, you are >> presuming the main website should be devoted to support. Why not >> devote >> it to promotion, or to development, or to the community? > No that is not my presumption at all. I think it would be nice to see > a main website that would connect you to the various parts of the > community, for example, link me to trac for development, link me to > forums for support, link me to downloads for a list of them, etc.. > >>> I don't really know what Typo's plans are as far as what it wants to >>> become. With the recent theme promotion and contest, it really seemed >>> like typo was trying to reach out to the masses and say, look at me! >>> But many people will be discouraged by the current support system, >>> especially if they are used to the much more popular support system, >>> the forum. >> More popular according to who? > More popular as far as *userbase*. While mailing lists are quite > common in developer communities, they are largely unknown amongst end > users. Head over to MT or WordPress or even TextPattern's site and > find the mailing list. These are the 2 most popular blogging systems, > and less popular one, all with forums available for support. LOL! I'm still subscribed to 2 MT lists, as a former MT plugin developer. Not that I read them much anymore, but I know spotlight will be able to turn relevant posts up if I do a search that is related to something discussed there. Whereas the MT and WP forums are filled with noise nowadays. However, I don't rate support systems by popularity, but by efectiveness. You are free to use your own rating system, of course >>> If Typo wants to become the popular blogging system it deserves to >>> be, it is going to need a more available format. NNTP is nice, but >>> still requires news software to access. I can't get to it from the >>> office at my day job, or from an international internet cafe. >> Don't you have outlook express? I thought it still came bundled with >> windows > I dont use windows. I do have a news reader however and I am > comfortable using it. > >> (which I assume is what most offices and internet cafes use today) > This is a terrible assumption. My office uses Outlook, but is > filtered exclusively to our exchange server. Internet cafes more > often then not do *not* provide an email client at all. Only web. So what are you doing in such a cafe? I don't get the use case: you need support for an advanced blogging system, so you go to a subpar internet cafe to obtain answers, answers that won't be of use until you return home, where you can connect to your hosting account (or your home server) apply the fixes, and return to the internet cafe to check everything is working now? My office is a bit different than yours I suppose. Since most users are developers (and responsible and knowledgeable) internet use is not restricted (other than an informal ban on P2P clients, and mostly because of bandwidth consumption) so we can access any kind of service. Where I worked before there, as an internet developer specifically, they wouldn't have minded me browsing typo forums if we had supported that product commercially. Then again, I was free (and expected) to access any kind of resource that was useful to me in my daily work. >> In any case, I wouldn't expect my boss to tolerate me browsing typo >> posts while at work. > Im sure your boss wouldn't. Mine does. But the corporation is not > going to relax its filtering system for a couple of end users. Well, if you go to work to read typo support forums, I think it is reasonably expected you comply with your corporate policy anyway. And I think you'll agree that your case is a particular exception to the norm, not the common case. (oh and by the way, I was exemplifying the normal case. As long as I don't miss deadlines, mine wouldn't either) Expecting that typo would accommodate this rare profile is a bit demanding IMHO In my previous job, if the need was justified, they would have obliged and relaxed access, often for a single workstation if need be. In my current one, there is no need since everything is readily accessible. There are companies that don't provide web access, only email access, mostly to avoid distractions. Now tell me, which model needs less special privileges? > >>> My point is this: a forum is plain EASY to use and everyone is >>> familiar with the concepts. Patching together multiple various >>> technologies and relying GOOGLE to be the lists search engine (which >>> of course wont index every day) is not strong enough to escalate Typo >>> to the usership of other popular systems. Unless the idea is to keep >>> out everyone except those who are already rails initiates, I cannot >>> think of a good reason not to use a forum. >> Well, a forum has also certain disadvantages: >> * If the forum server falls, you need to use google cache or something >> like that. While I will be able to access my mailing list archive >> in 200 >> years (provided I'm still alive) and see the latest posts in my >> blackberry or PDA (if I had one) > My webserver has 99.9% uptime. If its ever down, it will be up again > within 5 minutes. Not to mention it is backed up nightly. Oh and if the maintainer is hit by the proverbial bus and something goes awry, who's gonna ask for the backups to be published somewhere else? > >> * You need to register (and sign in) when you want to answer a >> question, >> even when you want to respond individually to a poster. If not >> necessary, forums soon become spamfected > You must register for the mailing list, and sign into the email > server. And you are correct that it would be undesirable to allow > anonymous posting as that does generate spam. But what is stopping a > spammer from signing up for this list... So you concede it so easy to use a mailing list than even a retarded spammer could do it, then? >> * You need a web browser to access them, with good table support. So, >> lynx is ruled out when you're in a system with shell only access (yes, >> this is far-fetched) > Actually, I am a frequent user of Lynx, and I am happy to report that > it has EXCELLENT table support. for certain types of tables I suppose. What about other text based mail readers, though? > >> * There's always the need to nominate forum moderators, which need >> to be >> managed by the maintainer. This reeks of elitism to me (but that's >> just >> me of course) > I agree this is a forums biggest challenge. The best way to solve it > is relatively unkown, but I believe this is a challenge that is > overcommable > >> * Forum maintainers always find the need to put google ads somehow. I >> respect their need to offset the costs, but then, they shouldn't offer >> to donate resources if they can't keep them up. > I agree. And truly if an opensource forum is running ads, they had > better be donating proceeds to the development of the project. IMHO. Don't misinterpret me here. As long as it is an independent user maintaining an 'unofficial' forum, I think it is within their rights to put ads. And often, unofficial forums become better than the official ones. But having an officially sanctioned forum with ads, that I don't like much (wherever the profit goes) > >> * Mail messages are easier to parse. > Sure, but why do you need to parse them, when they are already in an > easy to use format. Oh well, to make them easily searchable and indexable to begin with! Forums are easy to use for humans, but not for robots I happen to be planning a new rails app, that would smartly (I refuse to say intelligently here) classify, filter and tag mail messages (and specially, mailing list messages) for easy browsing, thread watching, keyword highlighting and topic grouping of (personal) mail archives. And individual, plain text messages are always easier to deal with than web formatted post collections. That would explain why I am so biased to mailing lists ;) and what I'm doing to address their shortcomings. But that's only me, so my point doesn't carry much strength yet (at least until this product is something more than vaporware). Others, though, are doing interesting things in that field > >> If you want to devote a forum for support, by all means do so. I don't >> want to appear as if I want to prevent you from doing it, just >> answering >> your points here. I expect the developers will keep posting on the >> mailing list as well, though. > I appreciate that. I certainly would like to provide a support forum > for the community, and am fully willing to do so. I however could not > offer the bulk of support myself. Someone earlier on made the > statement that we should link up the forums to the mailing list, and > this is *very* easy to do. This would allow both options to exist in > tandem, both carrying the same information. This could give those who > want it choice. I would not think of making such a move without > approval from the community though. Because the community would be > the sole source of support for the forum. I'm ok with that, as long as my email address is scrambled, and as long as there is not a brain leak towards the forums ;) I still think mail messages are more accessible, since I only need to go to a place, my mail client, to follow different unrelated projects Victor From william.a at carrel.org Sun Dec 4 13:42:23 2005 From: william.a at carrel.org (William A. Carrel) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 10:42:23 -0800 Subject: [typo] Abstemious Cache Sweeping In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Dec 4, 2005, at 10:08 AM, Piers Cawley wrote: > Justus Pendleton writes: > >> On 2005-12-04, Piers Cawley wrote: >>> So, I'm about to start to add better tracking of cached pages, and I >>> want to make sure that I've got my flushing rules straight in my >>> head, >>> so I'm brain dumping here. Here's the rules I've worked out so far: >>> >>> An article is created Uncategorized index pages >> >> Everything also has a "and maybe flush all pages depending on what >> sidebars do" requirement. For instance, I have a sidebar that >> lists the >> 5 most recent posts. So I need to flush the cache on every article >> creation. It sounds like what you need is some way for sidebars to >> register which actions trigger an update/flush for them. > > Nice idea. The sidebar you're talking about would work fine with a > 'nuke everything on article creation' approach, but that's not going > to be the case for all such sidebars (5 most 'active' posts for > instance). Sadly, sidebar plugins like del.icio.us and flickr need to be updated based on an external event that we're probably never going to get notification of. On the other hand, since these sidebar plugins have to do a round-trip to another website they're the ones that benefit the most from having their content cached. Periodic flushing of these seems to be the model that works best, but it's lame to lose your whole article cache every N minutes because of the sidebar changes. > Personally, I become more and more convinced that we need to have some > way of doing ajax rendering of sidebars. Or fragment caching, which > brings its own set of problems because you have to track fragment > dependencies. I agree, hence ticket #345 is the former solution for the whole sidebar. It seems to behave itself w.r.t. Google AdSense and other things now. You can see it in action at www.carrel.org. Another approach that I had thought about was sticking the sidebar content in the appropriate div and then overwriting it with AJAX, so the sidebar at least sort of works for people JS turned off. I think the N AJAX loads for N sidebar plugins approach was soundly rejected last time it came up because of the flicker/leap effect it will have on the page rendering. Of course all of this requires cron or something equivalent to deal with the periodic cache flush. Last time Scott talked about fragment cache it sounded like it cost about an order of magnitude in performance versus the page cache. __ wac From facedown at mac.com Sun Dec 4 13:47:32 2005 From: facedown at mac.com (facedown@mac.com) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 10:47:32 -0800 Subject: [typo] Typo Forums? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've been reading this thread; it's time to throw my pennies into the ring. I am a writer. I have background in programming, I know how to find my way through code, I can follow any instructions you send me, but primarily, I am a writer. I am an informed and intelligent end user. I'm familiar with mailing lists, not scared of them at all. While many of the threads are over my head, I don't mind hanging with the developers, but this really isn't my place. I'm willing to be helpful where I can with the project, but my help is mostly going to come by relating my experiences as a user and suggesting areas the project can grow. At some point, Typo needs to ask itself whether it wants to break into mainstream blogging or remain a tool for developers and geeks. Typo has the features, but is missing documentation and support. The README installation instructions are incomplete. Trac is overwhelming to a non-developer. I see those patches and .diff files, but couldn't find anything to tell me what to do with them. This mailing list has been helpful, but I never would have known there was a web interface somewhere other than the simple Mailman archive interface. I did surf through 10 months of old threads, looking for subject lines that might be helpful, but a search feature would have been nice. If I'm a developer coming in to help with a new project, there's nothing wrong with expecting me to play around with the software and lurk on the list for a week or so as I get a feel for what is going on. It's asking an awful lot of an end user to tell him he needs to wait a week after downloading the program before he can start asking for help. A mailing list might be the best tool for the developers, but it isn't going to help develop a growing user base. If you want to grow a base of users (and that's a question worth pausing to answer?maybe you don't want that at this time), you need documentation and a place for the less-technically-adept to ask questions and help one another. A standard forum script (as bloated and ugly as it might sound) can help with both of those. Writing answers to newb questions is a good intermediate step toward a user manual. My recommendation is that you see a forum not as a replacement for the mailing list, but as an additional tool. Not all of you on the list necessarily have to join or take part in the forum. What you'll need is a few of the developers and a couple people like me, who can act as translators between developers and the complete newbs. Regards, Kevin On Dec 2, 2005, at 7:56 PM, Freedom Dumlao wrote: > Why don't we have any typo forums? I think a forum might be easier to > access than the mailing list, and the solutions and such would be > much easier to search through and access for new users? > > If it is needed, I can provide hosting and a forums install very > easily (donated, of course), just wondering if there was any > particular reason this hadn't been done already. > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list From justus at ryoohki.net Sun Dec 4 13:54:54 2005 From: justus at ryoohki.net (Justus Pendleton) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 18:54:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [typo] Abstemious Cache Sweeping References: Message-ID: On 2005-12-04, Piers Cawley wrote: > Personally, I become more and more convinced that we need to have some > way of doing ajax rendering of sidebars. Or fragment caching, which > brings its own set of problems because you have to track fragment > dependencies. A more dynamic approach to sidebars is definitely something that would improve typo. If you make the sidebars too ajaxy then you run the risk of making them useless in clients like lynx. Maybe you say "typo just doesn't work very nicely with non-ajax web browsers". Or maybe you pre-populate the div with potentially old content that gets updated by ajax for browsers that support it. Justus From justus at ryoohki.net Sun Dec 4 14:20:00 2005 From: justus at ryoohki.net (Justus Pendleton) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 19:20:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [typo] Typo Forums? References: Message-ID: On 2005-12-04, facedown at mac.com wrote: > What you'll need is a few of the developers and a couple people like > me, who can act as translators between developers and the complete > newbs. I just wanted to point out that Scott is the only real "developer" on typo right now :). In the past 2 months there has only been one commit that wasn't by him. I don't want to argue too hard against the forum idea because I agree that different people have different preferences for finding and receiving information. Someone should step up, set up a forum, edit the wiki to point to it, send out a message to this list, and see how it goes. I don't think anyone would strongly disagree with that. If it goes well then I'd imagine the next step would be making a bidirectional gateway from the mailing list to the forum. Justus From facedown at mac.com Sun Dec 4 14:30:35 2005 From: facedown at mac.com (facedown@mac.com) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 11:30:35 -0800 Subject: [typo] Typo Forums? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <537E7411-FCD5-4ABD-8225-E2E31F6B3ED7@mac.com> I use the term "developer" loosely here. There are many developers on this list who might not be actively developing Typo, but are still developers. :P If it just needs someone to set it up and get it going, I could have it running by the end of the day. I have no clue about a "bidirectional gateway from the mailing list to the forum," though. :P ~Kevin On Dec 4, 2005, at 11:20 AM, Justus Pendleton wrote: > On 2005-12-04, facedown at mac.com wrote: >> What you'll need is a few of the developers and a couple people like >> me, who can act as translators between developers and the complete >> newbs. > > I just wanted to point out that Scott is the only real "developer" on > typo right now :). In the past 2 months there has only been one > commit > that wasn't by him. > > I don't want to argue too hard against the forum idea because I agree > that different people have different preferences for finding and > receiving information. Someone should step up, set up a forum, > edit the > wiki to point to it, send out a message to this list, and see how > it goes. > I don't think anyone would strongly disagree with that. If it goes > well > then I'd imagine the next step would be making a bidirectional > gateway from > the mailing list to the forum. > > Justus > > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list From facedown at mac.com Sun Dec 4 14:30:58 2005 From: facedown at mac.com (facedown@mac.com) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 11:30:58 -0800 Subject: [typo] Typo Forums? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <118FF6AD-93D7-421C-8E06-CEB6626943D1@mac.com> I use the term "developer" loosely here. There are many developers on this list who might not be actively developing Typo, but are still developers. :P If it just needs someone to set it up and get it going, I could have it running by the end of the day. I have no clue about a "bidirectional gateway from the mailing list to the forum," though. :P ~Kevin On Dec 4, 2005, at 11:20 AM, Justus Pendleton wrote: > On 2005-12-04, facedown at mac.com wrote: >> What you'll need is a few of the developers and a couple people like >> me, who can act as translators between developers and the complete >> newbs. > > I just wanted to point out that Scott is the only real "developer" on > typo right now :). In the past 2 months there has only been one > commit > that wasn't by him. > > I don't want to argue too hard against the forum idea because I agree > that different people have different preferences for finding and > receiving information. Someone should step up, set up a forum, > edit the > wiki to point to it, send out a message to this list, and see how > it goes. > I don't think anyone would strongly disagree with that. If it goes > well > then I'd imagine the next step would be making a bidirectional > gateway from > the mailing list to the forum. > > Justus > > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list From pdcawley at bofh.org.uk Sun Dec 4 14:38:25 2005 From: pdcawley at bofh.org.uk (Piers Cawley) Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 19:38:25 +0000 Subject: [typo] Typo Forums? In-Reply-To: (Justus Pendleton's message of "Sun, 4 Dec 2005 19:20:00 +0000 (UTC)") References: Message-ID: Justus Pendleton writes: > On 2005-12-04, facedown at mac.com wrote: >> What you'll need is a few of the developers and a couple people like >> me, who can act as translators between developers and the complete >> newbs. > > I just wanted to point out that Scott is the only real "developer" on > typo right now :). In the past 2 months there has only been one commit > that wasn't by him. I'm working on stuff, but don't have a commit bit, so everything goes through Scott. -- Piers Cawley http://www.bofh.org.uk/ From jbainbridge at gmail.com Sun Dec 4 15:45:58 2005 From: jbainbridge at gmail.com (Jason Bainbridge) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 14:45:58 -0600 Subject: [typo] Typo Forums? In-Reply-To: <118FF6AD-93D7-421C-8E06-CEB6626943D1@mac.com> References: <118FF6AD-93D7-421C-8E06-CEB6626943D1@mac.com> Message-ID: On 12/4/05, facedown at mac.com wrote: > I use the term "developer" loosely here. There are many developers on > this list who might not be actively developing Typo, but are still > developers. :P > > If it just needs someone to set it up and get it going, I could have > it running by the end of the day. I have no clue about a > "bidirectional gateway from the mailing list to the forum," though. :P Kevin, Just sent you an email off list, we can get together and get this together if you would like. So stay tuned y'all. Cheers, -- Jason Bainbridge An Aussie geek stuck in Texas - http://jasonbainbridge.com Advertisement free blogs for those affected by emergency situations - http://911blogs.com From ernieoporto at gmail.com Sun Dec 4 17:43:16 2005 From: ernieoporto at gmail.com (Ernie Oporto) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 17:43:16 -0500 Subject: [typo] Jabber issue in Build 764 Message-ID: After an upgrade to build 764 from the trunk, I am seeing this error message when trying to add a new User. Not a showstopper, but thought someone would like to know, and to make sure that I'm not screwing anything up myself. Of course, that's what happens when you live on the bleeding edge of recent non-release builds. =) Everything else works nicely. ActionView::TemplateError (undefined method `jabber' for #) on line #17 of app/views/admin/users/_form.rhtml:14:

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> /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activerecord- 1.13.0.2969/lib/ > active_record/base.rb:1497:in `method_missing' > /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionpack-1.11.0.2969/lib/ > action_view/helpers/f > orm_helper.rb:254:in `value_before_type_cast' > /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionpack- 1.11.0.2969/lib/ > action_view/helpers/form_helper.rb:168:in `to_input_field_tag' > /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionpack-1.11.0.2969/lib/ > action_view/helpers/form_helper.rb:76:in `text_field' > > > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/typo-list/attachments/20051204/d86bf3b2/attachment.htm From freedom at freedomdumlao.com Mon Dec 5 01:30:32 2005 From: freedom at freedomdumlao.com (Freedom Dumlao) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 01:30:32 -0500 Subject: [typo] Typo Forums? In-Reply-To: <439333C4.4080108@carotena.net> References: <439222DC.4080708@ryoohki.net> <4392EE8B.4040808@carotena.net> <5D175E7B-FEF1-4CE2-BEA0-C8DF483FF5C2@freedomdumlao.com> <439333C4.4080108@carotena.net> Message-ID: On Dec 4, 2005, at 1:21 PM, Victor Jalencas wrote: > Freedom Dumlao wrote: >> On Dec 4, 2005, at 8:26 AM, Victor Jalencas wrote: >> >>> Freedom Dumlao wrote: >>>> The mailing list may be *easy* to sign up for, but it is a pain in >>>> the neck to find information on. If you want the answer to one >>>> question, you must *subscribe* to the mailing list. >>> Unless you respond directly to the user. Of course, if you know >>> what to >>> respond, chances are you are already subscribed. >> If I were a *new* user, I would have no idea *who* to ask. > Sorry I misread you before. I understood you wanted to answer a > question, not the answer to a question. > In that case, it's a good idea (as well as good netiquette, however > pass? that is) to lurk a bit before firing away questions. So a new user who wants to ask a question about installation should sign up for the mailing list and *lurk* and keep his or her fingers crossed hoping someone covers the topic, or that someone will reveal that *they* are the person to ask? If I can't install a blogware system in one night, Im not using it. If I needed to *lurk* before I could ask a question, I would just say forget it. > You might like the fire-and-forget post style forums promote these > days, > where most of them are newly signed up users who ask a question, get > their response, and never come back. If that is the case, I concede a > forum might be the best answer here. Once the question has been asked and answered, it is easily found by using the forum search. Also most people may only need one question answered during their entire time using a piece of software. > I am a bit old-fashioned, and I like getting to know people. I do too, but like you I too am old fashioned. > >> >>>> You may decide to >>>> do a google search for your answer, but I will tell you that every >>>> question I have researched this way has returned results for >>>> several >>>> different rails apps, and not just typo specifically. >>> You should restrict the scope to the typo list archive then >> While this may seem practical, the exact scope is not immediately >> obvious, not to mention that Google does not index frequently enough >> to make this really practical. > Oh well. So you're telling me you're able to find a typo-focused > forum, Yes if it is linked to under the support link on the typo main page. Or if the domain is meaningful like say: typoforums.com > but not a mailing list archive? How much more scope exactness do > you need? It's not me I am concerned about. I am concerned about those users who are *NOT* developers, but are *users.* this group of people does not have the patience or the experience to bother with mailing lists. > Also, once you're subscribed, either the answer is recent enough that > you can look for it in your own archive (because you remember reading > about it) or it is old enough to have been indexed by google. Point taken, but still, relying on google to fulfill our support needs. >> >>>> It's >>>> frustrating. And when the question is one you are SURE has been >>>> asked >>>> before, a person is not likely to feel that the question is welcome >>>> on the mailing list. >>> If it's so commonplace, chances are a) the answer is in the archive >>> b) the answer is published on some blog somewhere >> Once again, the archive is not easily searchable, and why on earth >> would we want to rely on Google and other bloggers for our support >> system, its like saying "if you need help, go somewhere else!" > I was just making the point that the answer is bound to be findable > through Google. That shouldn't refrain anyone from asking it on the > list, because the person that knows how to answer won't mind posting a > link to its own blog, even if repeated for the thousand time. If > you are > so SURE it has been asked before, what makes you think you > shouldn't be > looking elsewhere first? Exactly. Like in a forum. Or in a FAQ, which typo's is pretty soft. Or even a wiki, once again a soft spot. >>>> Another disadvantage to the mailing list is that I have to receive >>>> EVERY thread, regardless of weather or not I give a crap about it. >>> The inverse is true of forums: How do I know I am not missing >>> anything >>> interesting? How does the forum keep track of which threads have >>> been >>> already read by me, >> phpBB keeps track of this for all registered users > What about other forum engines? > Last time I looked, forums needed you to register before being able to > keep track of what you have read. Yes that is correct. But that should not upset anyone, after all you have to register to use this list. >> >>> and how does it notify me of new posts? >> it notifies you by email if any thread or forum has been updated, or >> you could log in > So umm... I need to 'subscribe' to a thread... interesting concept The advantage is you can subscribe only to threads you care about. If you are only interested in *theme development* you dont have to get posts on *installation troubles* in your email. >> >>> How does it >>> know if I'm accessing anonymously from an internet cafe? >> you log in, just the same as if you were checking email > When I said anonymously I was referring to 'without the need to log > in', > because you might not remember all your forum logins everywhere How on earth do you check your email without logging into a mail server? >>> Also, do I really need to open a page full of answers to a poster, >>> when >>> by looking at the first post I would already know that I am not >>> interested? Or, do I need to download and read through the whole >>> thread >>> just to read a couple of new messages (one of them being 'me too') >>> when >>> a few mail bytes would have sufficed? >> most forums allow you to simply go to the last page automatically > > >>> Yes, of course, you can paginate >>> the posts, but I don't call that accessible. >> Obviously, the concept of accessible is *relative*, I have no problem >> with pagination. > I do. When my hands are on the keyboard, I can't use PgDown to go > to the > next page, I need to pick the mouse, and then click one, two, three > times to go to the following pages. Once I'm done, I need to backtrack > to the index page to keep reading, supposing I didn't open each thread > in a tab. > Depending on the mail client, hitting space is all I need to scroll > trhough a post and to the next unread post in this thread or others > (mutt, outlook, apple mail and thunderbird do this) As I said, it is *relative* and highly subjective. You are not typical of a blogware end user group. Your experience is probably much greater than the average blogger, who only wants to install the system and use it and report bugs and ask questions. Not EVERYONE is a developer. > Also, this format would keep all the contents of one >> thread in one easily accessible place so someone new who hasn't yet >> joined the mailing list can easily get the info. > That points me to your answer before: if you were a *new* user, how > would you *know* where that place is? > And, do you think that joining a mailing list, is so high a barrier? > > >> >>>> Yes, all of my typo list stuff is filtered to its own box, but >>>> still, >>>> watching one thread is not convenient. >>> I am not sure what you mean by convenience of watching a thread here >> For example, if I only wanted to see this thread > I suppose you and I use different approaches then. I don't want to > miss > any thread, so I try to read them all. There's always that elusive > nugget of knowledge that might always came useful, or you might see a > question that you are able to answer for others > There's mechanisms in most mail clients, though, to highlight specific > threads (think thunderbird labels or gmail's star) Yes or simple sorting by category. All of these facilities are available for sorting things out. Now try and search a particular thread for a particular phrase. Can't easily be done in most mail clients. > > >> >>>> As far as the gmane thing, its nice to have them suck up the info, >>>> but the fact is the info is re-displayed in a flat out ugly way. >>>> For >>>> a piece of software that is so beautiful to use, it sure is ugly >>>> trying to get support for it. >>> I would say these two statements are unrelated. No one here can >>> control >>> how gmane looks like. >> Yes but you *can* opt not to use it as your sole source of archives > Of course, no one said the contrary! Mailman does its own archives, > and > there's mhonarc as well. Both ugly. > However, I'm afraid you want easily searchable > archives, so none of these will fit your needs, I admit that readily. > I wouldn't say phpBB has the most beautiful interface ever, though. Agreed. I would prefer to use a ruby solution, but rforums is a bit feature lacking at the moment (although coming along very nicely!) >> >>>> There is just no elegance in a mailing >>>> list/NNTP/gmane support system, backed up by Trac, which while a >>>> good >>>> ticked and development tracking system, is certainly not the ideal >>>> solution for a primary website for something like typo. >>> I disagree. I think mailing lists are more elegant than forums, for >>> certain purposes. And this is one of them. But then again, you are >>> presuming the main website should be devoted to support. Why not >>> devote >>> it to promotion, or to development, or to the community? >> No that is not my presumption at all. I think it would be nice to see >> a main website that would connect you to the various parts of the >> community, for example, link me to trac for development, link me to >> forums for support, link me to downloads for a list of them, etc.. >> >>>> I don't really know what Typo's plans are as far as what it >>>> wants to >>>> become. With the recent theme promotion and contest, it really >>>> seemed >>>> like typo was trying to reach out to the masses and say, look at >>>> me! >>>> But many people will be discouraged by the current support system, >>>> especially if they are used to the much more popular support >>>> system, >>>> the forum. >>> More popular according to who? >> More popular as far as *userbase*. While mailing lists are quite >> common in developer communities, they are largely unknown amongst end >> users. Head over to MT or WordPress or even TextPattern's site and >> find the mailing list. These are the 2 most popular blogging systems, >> and less popular one, all with forums available for support. > LOL! I'm still subscribed to 2 MT lists, as a former MT plugin > developer. Great, but not for END USER SUPPORT. > Not that I read them much anymore, but I know spotlight will > be able to turn relevant posts up if I do a search that is related to > something discussed there. > Whereas the MT and WP forums are filled with noise nowadays. > However, I don't rate support systems by popularity, but by > efectiveness. Your question was "More popular according to who?" And by the way, if WordPress' forum is so ineffective, why are there so many WP users vs. any other open-source blogware system? > You are free to use your own rating system, of course Lets use userbase. I think any software project should be focused on users. Typo is beautiful, and deserves a larger share of the blogware market, IMO. > >>>> If Typo wants to become the popular blogging system it deserves to >>>> be, it is going to need a more available format. NNTP is nice, but >>>> still requires news software to access. I can't get to it from the >>>> office at my day job, or from an international internet cafe. >>> Don't you have outlook express? I thought it still came bundled with >>> windows >> I dont use windows. I do have a news reader however and I am >> comfortable using it. >> >>> (which I assume is what most offices and internet cafes use today) >> This is a terrible assumption. My office uses Outlook, but is >> filtered exclusively to our exchange server. Internet cafes more >> often then not do *not* provide an email client at all. Only web. > So what are you doing in such a cafe? I don't get the use case: you > need > support for an advanced blogging system, > so you go to a subpar internet cafe to obtain answers, answers that > won't be of use until you return home, where you can connect to your > hosting account (or your home server) apply the fixes, and return > to the > internet cafe to check everything is working now? Have you ever been to Thailand? Hong-Kong? Japan? Internet cafes there are not *sub-par* just because they dont include Outlook. What if the power went out while you were logged into outlook at an internet cafe? If you diddnt wait around till the lights came back on, your config info would still be saved in outlook, and the next user would get a free looksee. I have a java based SSH client on my server that I can use to log into and edit code on my server when I am overseas. I also have a backup web interface for doing the same thing. > My office is a bit different than yours I suppose. Since most users > are > developers (and responsible and knowledgeable) internet use is not > restricted (other than an informal ban on P2P clients, and mostly > because of bandwidth consumption) so we can access any kind of > service. I work for a bank. We are VERY restricted on services we can access. > Where I worked before there, as an internet developer specifically, > they > wouldn't have minded me browsing typo forums if we had supported that > product commercially. Then again, I was free (and expected) to access > any kind of resource that was useful to me in my daily work. Sure but if you only get ports 80, 21, and 23 and any page with the word web-mail or mailing list is barred, this is hard to do. > >>> In any case, I wouldn't expect my boss to tolerate me browsing typo >>> posts while at work. >> Im sure your boss wouldn't. Mine does. But the corporation is not >> going to relax its filtering system for a couple of end users. > Well, if you go to work to read typo support forums, I think it is > reasonably expected you comply with your corporate policy anyway. Since it would be coming through port 80, I would be. Not that its any business of anyone here. > And I > think you'll agree that your case is a particular exception to the > norm, Yes, probably. > not the common case. (oh and by the way, I was exemplifying the normal > case. As long as I don't miss deadlines, mine wouldn't either) Only for this situation. The rest of your argument has applied to your situation. The *normal* case is not a developer like you or I. The *normal* blogger just wants to blog and not sign up for mailing lists or set up NNTP access which they may or may not have access to or experience with. > Expecting that typo would accommodate this rare profile is a bit > demanding IMHO I dont expect that they accommodate *me.* But to accommodate a much more diverse set of scenarios. I just used some of my situations as examples of the diverse situations that people find themselves in. > In my previous job, if the need was justified, they would have obliged > and relaxed access, often for a single workstation if need be. Not if you were at a bank you would not have. > In my current one, there is no need since everything is readily > accessible. Lucky you. > There are companies that don't provide web access, only email access, > mostly to avoid distractions. Now tell me, which model needs less > special privileges? A person at such a company could do no work on Typo from his or her terminal at all then, so would have little need to read the mailing list. Also, these situations do not allow for people to access personal email. > >> >>>> My point is this: a forum is plain EASY to use and everyone is >>>> familiar with the concepts. Patching together multiple various >>>> technologies and relying GOOGLE to be the lists search engine >>>> (which >>>> of course wont index every day) is not strong enough to escalate >>>> Typo >>>> to the usership of other popular systems. Unless the idea is to >>>> keep >>>> out everyone except those who are already rails initiates, I cannot >>>> think of a good reason not to use a forum. >>> Well, a forum has also certain disadvantages: >>> * If the forum server falls, you need to use google cache or >>> something >>> like that. While I will be able to access my mailing list archive >>> in 200 >>> years (provided I'm still alive) and see the latest posts in my >>> blackberry or PDA (if I had one) >> My webserver has 99.9% uptime. If its ever down, it will be up again >> within 5 minutes. Not to mention it is backed up nightly. > Oh and if the maintainer is hit by the proverbial bus and something > goes > awry, who's gonna ask for the backups to be published somewhere else? Touche! I better watch out for busses! All kidding aside, the same could be said for many servers anywhere. What if google decides it no longer wants to provide its service for free? What if google stops indexing mailing lists, what if, what if... You can not discount an idea just because there is a what if. Perhaps the backups could be made available on a mirror somewhere, there are a thousand solutions to that problem. Please dont hit me with a bus though ;) >> >>> * You need to register (and sign in) when you want to answer a >>> question, >>> even when you want to respond individually to a poster. If not >>> necessary, forums soon become spamfected >> You must register for the mailing list, and sign into the email >> server. And you are correct that it would be undesirable to allow >> anonymous posting as that does generate spam. But what is stopping a >> spammer from signing up for this list... > So you concede it so easy to use a mailing list than even a retarded > spammer could do it, then? I don't discount the intelligence of spammers. They tend to be quite savvy. All they would have to do is sign up for the list here, and send one email to the list. Then everyone gets the spam. Do that one hundred times in a night, before they get banned, and that is a LOT of spam. > >>> * You need a web browser to access them, with good table support. >>> So, >>> lynx is ruled out when you're in a system with shell only access >>> (yes, >>> this is far-fetched) >> Actually, I am a frequent user of Lynx, and I am happy to report that >> it has EXCELLENT table support. > for certain types of tables I suppose. What about other text based > mail > readers, though? I'm not sure I understand the question. I use mutt for mail reading frequently... >> >>> * There's always the need to nominate forum moderators, which need >>> to be >>> managed by the maintainer. This reeks of elitism to me (but that's >>> just >>> me of course) >> I agree this is a forums biggest challenge. The best way to solve it >> is relatively unkown, but I believe this is a challenge that is >> overcommable >> >>> * Forum maintainers always find the need to put google ads >>> somehow. I >>> respect their need to offset the costs, but then, they shouldn't >>> offer >>> to donate resources if they can't keep them up. >> I agree. And truly if an opensource forum is running ads, they had >> better be donating proceeds to the development of the project. IMHO. > Don't misinterpret me here. As long as it is an independent user > maintaining an 'unofficial' forum, I think it is within their > rights to > put ads. And often, unofficial forums become better than the official > ones. But having an officially sanctioned forum with ads, that I don't > like much (wherever the profit goes) Yes, I also dislike them. But I don't think we should count out the whole idea because someone might decide to show ads. >> >>> * Mail messages are easier to parse. >> Sure, but why do you need to parse them, when they are already in an >> easy to use format. > Oh well, to make them easily searchable and indexable to begin with! > Forums are easy to use for humans, but not for robots > I happen to be planning a new rails app, that would smartly (I > refuse to > say intelligently here) classify, filter and tag mail messages (and > specially, mailing list messages) for easy browsing, thread watching, > keyword highlighting and topic grouping of (personal) mail > archives. And > individual, plain text messages are always easier to deal with than > web > formatted post collections. That would explain why I am so biased to > mailing lists ;) and what I'm doing to address their shortcomings. But > that's only me, so my point doesn't carry much strength yet (at least > until this product is something more than vaporware). Others, though, > are doing interesting things in that field I see! This is a very interesting project! I wish you luck with it. I did like the idea of making the forums tandem with the list, that way your software would still be able to index the mail. > >> >>> If you want to devote a forum for support, by all means do so. I >>> don't >>> want to appear as if I want to prevent you from doing it, just >>> answering >>> your points here. I expect the developers will keep posting on the >>> mailing list as well, though. >> I appreciate that. I certainly would like to provide a support forum >> for the community, and am fully willing to do so. I however could not >> offer the bulk of support myself. Someone earlier on made the >> statement that we should link up the forums to the mailing list, and >> this is *very* easy to do. This would allow both options to exist in >> tandem, both carrying the same information. This could give those who >> want it choice. I would not think of making such a move without >> approval from the community though. Because the community would be >> the sole source of support for the forum. > I'm ok with that, as long as my email address is scrambled, and as > long > as there is not a brain leak towards the forums ;) > I still think mail messages are more accessible, since I only need > to go > to a place, my mail client, to follow different unrelated projects > > Victor All in all Victor, I have to say that I am gaining a great respect for your opinion and your defense of it. I think the idea of connecting the forums to the mailing list is the way to go. I think what I will do is create a "sleeper" forum that simply indexes the list for the time being. At least for those who want an easy way to search for support. > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list From paulrbrown at gmail.com Mon Dec 5 01:41:40 2005 From: paulrbrown at gmail.com (Paul Brown) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 22:41:40 -0800 Subject: [typo] Typo Forums? In-Reply-To: References: <439222DC.4080708@ryoohki.net> <4392EE8B.4040808@carotena.net> <5D175E7B-FEF1-4CE2-BEA0-C8DF483FF5C2@freedomdumlao.com> <439333C4.4080108@carotena.net> Message-ID: <4249453d0512042241m6f0e0d3bice3d07ca5c4a3fc4@mail.gmail.com> All -- > [Lots of talk of forum and againstum snipped] What about a Yahoo! group for Typo? RSS feeds of entries, good search, access via email, CAPTCHA-based bot protection, post directly via web, and no additional software or hardware to maintain? Just my $0.02. -- Paul Brown http://mult.ifario.us From peter.j.donald at gmail.com Mon Dec 5 02:01:40 2005 From: peter.j.donald at gmail.com (Peter Donald) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 18:01:40 +1100 Subject: [typo] Migrate error in latest version Message-ID: <125c0c0d0512042301t7591ad75x2ac08099c8b13c9d@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I just retrieved the latest version of typo from subversion and attempted to migrate from version 28 to latest and I get the following error. Anyone got any ideas? (I am on Rails 0.14.3) F:\Projects\typo>rake migrate --trace (in F:/Projects/typo) ** Invoke migrate (first_time) ** Invoke environment (first_time) ** Execute environment ** Execute migrate rake aborted! is not a class/module ./config/../components/plugins/textfilters/amazon_controller.rb:1 c:/applications/ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activesupport-1.2.3/lib/active_suppo rt/dependencies.rb:207:in `load' c:/applications/ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activesupport-1.2.3/lib/active_suppo rt/dependencies.rb:207:in `load' c:/applications/ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activesupport-1.2.3/lib/active_suppo rt/dependencies.rb:39:in `require_or_load' c:/applications/ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activesupport-1.2.3/lib/active_suppo rt/dependencies.rb:22:in `depend_on' c:/applications/ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activesupport-1.2.3/lib/active_suppo rt/dependencies.rb:178:in `require_dependency' c:/applications/ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activesupport-1.2.3/lib/active_suppo rt/dependencies.rb:178:in `require_dependency' ./config/../app/controllers/textfilter_controller.rb:108 ./config/../app/controllers/textfilter_controller.rb:107:in `each' ./config/../app/controllers/textfilter_controller.rb:107 c:/applications/ruby/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:18:in `re quire__' c:/applications/ruby/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:18:in `re quire' c:/applications/ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activesupport-1.2.3/lib/active_suppo rt/dependencies.rb:214:in `require' ./config/../app/models/text_filter.rb:2 ... -- Cheers, Peter Donald From peter at realityforge.org Mon Dec 5 02:37:15 2005 From: peter at realityforge.org (Peter Donald) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 18:37:15 +1100 Subject: [typo] Migrate error in latest version In-Reply-To: <125c0c0d0512042301t7591ad75x2ac08099c8b13c9d@mail.gmail.com> References: <125c0c0d0512042301t7591ad75x2ac08099c8b13c9d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4393EE2B.5050901@realityforge.org> Hi, Ignore this it is a bug in rails. Sorry for the noise. Peter Donald wrote: > Hi, > > I just retrieved the latest version of typo from subversion and > attempted to migrate from version 28 to latest and I get the following > error. Anyone got any ideas? (I am on Rails 0.14.3) > > F:\Projects\typo>rake migrate --trace > (in F:/Projects/typo) > ** Invoke migrate (first_time) > ** Invoke environment (first_time) > ** Execute environment > ** Execute migrate > rake aborted! > is not a class/module > ./config/../components/plugins/textfilters/amazon_controller.rb:1 > c:/applications/ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activesupport-1.2.3/lib/active_suppo > rt/dependencies.rb:207:in `load' > c:/applications/ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activesupport-1.2.3/lib/active_suppo > rt/dependencies.rb:207:in `load' > c:/applications/ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activesupport-1.2.3/lib/active_suppo > rt/dependencies.rb:39:in `require_or_load' > c:/applications/ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activesupport-1.2.3/lib/active_suppo > rt/dependencies.rb:22:in `depend_on' > c:/applications/ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activesupport-1.2.3/lib/active_suppo > rt/dependencies.rb:178:in `require_dependency' > c:/applications/ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activesupport-1.2.3/lib/active_suppo > rt/dependencies.rb:178:in `require_dependency' > ./config/../app/controllers/textfilter_controller.rb:108 > ./config/../app/controllers/textfilter_controller.rb:107:in `each' > ./config/../app/controllers/textfilter_controller.rb:107 > c:/applications/ruby/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:18:in `re > quire__' > c:/applications/ruby/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:18:in `re > quire' > c:/applications/ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activesupport-1.2.3/lib/active_suppo > rt/dependencies.rb:214:in `require' > ./config/../app/models/text_filter.rb:2 > ... > > -- > Cheers, > > Peter Donald > > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list From gpsnospam at gmail.com Mon Dec 5 04:20:02 2005 From: gpsnospam at gmail.com (gpshewan) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 09:20:02 +0000 Subject: [typo] Typo Forums? In-Reply-To: <4249453d0512042241m6f0e0d3bice3d07ca5c4a3fc4@mail.gmail.com> References: <439222DC.4080708@ryoohki.net> <4392EE8B.4040808@carotena.net> <5D175E7B-FEF1-4CE2-BEA0-C8DF483FF5C2@freedomdumlao.com> <439333C4.4080108@carotena.net> <4249453d0512042241m6f0e0d3bice3d07ca5c4a3fc4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3614CD78-BEF1-443B-A97C-0E155199695C@gmail.com> Dear me, why don't a couple of you who want one just get together and go set it up instead of all the debate... From ernieoporto at gmail.com Mon Dec 5 09:28:56 2005 From: ernieoporto at gmail.com (Ernie Oporto) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 09:28:56 -0500 Subject: [typo] Jabber issue in Build 764 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The fields were definitely added in the migration... CREATE TABLE `users` ( `id` int(11) NOT NULL auto_increment, `login` varchar(80) default NULL, `password` varchar(40) default NULL, `name` varchar(80) default NULL, `email` varchar(80) default NULL, `notify_via_email` tinyint(1) default NULL, `notify_on_new_articles` tinyint(1) default NULL, `notify_on_comments` tinyint(1) default NULL, `notify_watch_my_articles` tinyint(1) default NULL, `notify_via_jabber` tinyint(1) default NULL, `jabber` varchar(255) default NULL, PRIMARY KEY (`id`), UNIQUE KEY `login` (`login`) ) ENGINE=InnoDB DEFAULT CHARSET=latin1 AUTO_INCREMENT=3 ; On 12/4/05, Scott Laird wrote: > > Can you describe your 'users' table? Migration #32 *should* have added > this field. On the other hand, you're certainly not the only person > complaining about similar problems, so I'm not sure what's up. > > Scott > > On Dec 4, 2005, at 2:43 PM, Ernie Oporto wrote: > > After an upgrade to build 764from the trunk, I am seeing this error message when trying to add a new > User. Not a showstopper, but thought someone would like to know, and to > make sure that I'm not screwing anything up myself. Of course, that's what > happens when you live on the bleeding edge of recent non-release builds. =) > Everything else works nicely. > > > ActionView::TemplateError (undefined method `jabber' for > #) on > line #17 of app/views/admin/users/_form.rhtml:14:

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URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/typo-list/attachments/20051205/645a9413/attachment-0001.htm From aaron at munge.net Mon Dec 5 10:56:15 2005 From: aaron at munge.net (Aaron Malone) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 09:56:15 -0600 Subject: [typo] Abstemious Cache Sweeping In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200512050956.15688.aaron@munge.net> On Sunday 04 December 2005 11:09, Piers Cawley wrote: > An article is created Uncategorized index pages [...] > An article's content is modified The article's permalink We also now have prev_link and next_link, so we might also want to flush the permalinks of articles on either side of a new/modified article. -- Aaron Malone aaron at munge.net From mike at uwmike.com Mon Dec 5 11:03:45 2005 From: mike at uwmike.com (Mike Purvis) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 11:03:45 -0500 Subject: [typo] Abstemious Cache Sweeping In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <439464E1.50303@uwmike.com> William A. Carrel wrote: >Last time Scott talked about fragment cache it sounded like it cost >about an order of magnitude in performance versus the page cache. > > Rather than a full fragment cache, couldn't it just be a singular cache of the sidebar? Like, generate once, and then each individual page inserts it on view? (I'm not familiar with how Typo serves up its cache, but every page could just store a byte marker with it for "inject the sidebar at position X") After all, the sidebar and the content are fundamentally different entities; seems silly to lose the cache of one when only the other has changed. Mike From william.a at carrel.org Mon Dec 5 12:41:04 2005 From: william.a at carrel.org (William A. Carrel) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 09:41:04 -0800 Subject: [typo] Abstemious Cache Sweeping In-Reply-To: <439464E1.50303@uwmike.com> References: <439464E1.50303@uwmike.com> Message-ID: <1918993B-DBFD-4FC3-ADA8-514E03A451D7@carrel.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 On Dec 5, 2005, at 8:03 AM, Mike Purvis wrote: > William A. Carrel wrote: > >> Last time Scott talked about fragment cache it sounded like it cost >> about an order of magnitude in performance versus the page cache. >> > Rather than a full fragment cache, couldn't it just be a singular > cache > of the sidebar? Like, generate once, and then each individual page > inserts it on view? (I'm not familiar with how Typo serves up its > cache, > but every page could just store a byte marker with it for "inject the > sidebar at position X") There are ways to do this with Apache httpd and server-side includes in the cached page data. Generally page cache requests never even get to rails. The HTTP server serves them up as flat files (which is why the performance is so high on apache mpm worker and lighttpd). This feels a bit messy when compared with just using AJAX to load the sidebar content. > > After all, the sidebar and the content are fundamentally different > entities; seems silly to lose the cache of one when only the other has > changed. Certainly. __ wac -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (Darwin) iQIVAwUBQ5R7s8oU8+xqMUDPAQoEMg/9Hz2oFhymMtW8xJncFS9LfvmHXzJiCdCA oY5s/MZgCSvf3KV+dX4eI0t77KhOgzfew1EOr0a4dx5rX6yiAkBVEjOSbunu+ZJU a5HqMJuYi2CfrzYgjB+Nz3J5J7Nk3D6roH/hJBAzuOe7uuWee41jhJFoxcXpRzC3 LHM0A5tn2b6EamJa2ECEVWlD4ampQAwTXrsVDZoW+wi160MVaS3dPV2npfQ5e0Sm nsShS7UI5ZwlcW//OEvh3PyihFsP0kWVhqPqgyfqv6k2ZGY/RvUc1WFKS2ZMYZxx cIyqzFa8SGGn9w6pGwF+ObMi44BNyyjZckAbdFPQRAYVww15Kl/XHPITplPY68Qw QA5e44yQIov+FC/sqX9qz490wPDaANgbqpbwIe3ACeIMQRQlJD8EzCw41CNV2Z6z jg15l1Fpkjokw6Z73clI+MCV4CQvTUVynUFOEEkKV1ss+zoS8pdjhJv4j28k0MQ6 cyhOGn9t9VabREYIGKkelob4IUAwmLtvADRdc3bdzdCTJwveddJ33IuoihljWia3 viWS6dNAxtecem9Hh913OMLh2DYNaT10h/2ACNwSJKXZiCMWujYl+UvROHG6yphB PjYUzp/VhXt7vUd5cDyk6qs/uzPP1q2VFORbeIop7eOqW14fH5x43uukZcwQVwEX pyGug75rujA= =aChC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From justus at ryoohki.net Mon Dec 5 12:53:18 2005 From: justus at ryoohki.net (Justus Pendleton) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 17:53:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [typo] Abstemious Cache Sweeping References: <439464E1.50303@uwmike.com> <1918993B-DBFD-4FC3-ADA8-514E03A451D7@carrel.org> Message-ID: On 2005-12-05, William A. Carrel wrote: > On Dec 5, 2005, at 8:03 AM, Mike Purvis wrote: >> Rather than a full fragment cache, couldn't it just be a singular >> cache of the sidebar? Like, generate once, and then each individual >> page inserts it on view? (I'm not familiar with how Typo serves up >> its cache, but every page could just store a byte marker with it for >> "inject the sidebar at position X") > > There are ways to do this with Apache httpd and server-side includes > in the cached page data. Generally page cache requests never even > get to rails. The HTTP server serves them up as flat files (which is > why the performance is so high on apache mpm worker and lighttpd). Or you could use frames which aren't server specific and work on almost every browser. Moving the sidebar to a separate frame would probably make it easier to implement separate cache policies for the sidebar vs. the main content area. Justus From mike at uwmike.com Mon Dec 5 14:20:09 2005 From: mike at uwmike.com (Mike Purvis) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 14:20:09 -0500 Subject: [typo] Abstemious Cache Sweeping In-Reply-To: References: <439464E1.50303@uwmike.com> <1918993B-DBFD-4FC3-ADA8-514E03A451D7@carrel.org> Message-ID: <439492E9.10805@uwmike.com> Justus Pendleton wrote: >Or you could use frames which aren't server specific and work on almost >every browser. Moving the sidebar to a separate frame would probably >make it easier to implement separate cache policies for the sidebar vs. >the main content area. > I'm much more comfortable with the idea of a server-include, myself. If we don't want to run Rails for simple includes, couldn't typo just even be changed to generate ".php" files instead of ".html"? Then they could simply include code like '' in them. I hate to be a downer, but I frequently browse with JS-off, and I know at least two people who access my site from BlackBerrys. Making key navigational/content entities depend on a javascript call is not exactly "progressive enhancement". Mike From rsanheim at gmail.com Mon Dec 5 14:47:27 2005 From: rsanheim at gmail.com (Rob Sanheim) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 13:47:27 -0600 Subject: [typo] XSS vulnerability? In-Reply-To: <106fc6ec0511261648p57f8292cicf0fefe2cecc57c9@mail.gmail.com> References: <64f07e2c0511251308o3753d823p1710b268bae07538@mail.gmail.com> <4387BF7F.1080307@gmail.com> <64f07e2c0511260101p466fecabsf198d1e29c47b25a@mail.gmail.com> <58DB8629-7697-4E5A-AA17-855EA20B941B@gmail.com> <3DA90933-EB5E-4478-AF66-DD8237B3C73B@sb.org> <106fc6ec0511261648p57f8292cicf0fefe2cecc57c9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 11/26/05, Micah Wylde wrote: > Both the blog at rubyonrails.org and the one at typogarden.org are also > vulnerable to this (though their text filters also translate quotation marks > into html entities.) > > > On 11/26/05, Kevin Ballard wrote: > > > > I just ran `rake' on my trunk and got no failures at all. And yet the > > example XSS mostly works for me (it doesn't actually display an alert > > because my textfilter translates " into an entity, but that can be > > worked around). > > > > On Nov 26, 2005, at 8:45 AM, Scott Laird wrote: > > > > > Argh! It's supposed to be filtered. What happens when you run > > > 'rake'? There's are several XSS-related tests, do any tests fail? > > > > -- > > Kevin Ballard > > kevin at sb.org > > http://www.tildesoft.com > > http://kevin.sb.org > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Typo-list mailing list > > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Micah Wylde > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > > > Was there ever a resolution to this? - rob -- http://www.robsanheim.com/ http://www.ajaxian.com/ From scott at sigkill.org Mon Dec 5 14:55:02 2005 From: scott at sigkill.org (Scott Laird) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 11:55:02 -0800 Subject: [typo] XSS vulnerability? In-Reply-To: References: <64f07e2c0511251308o3753d823p1710b268bae07538@mail.gmail.com> <4387BF7F.1080307@gmail.com> <64f07e2c0511260101p466fecabsf198d1e29c47b25a@mail.gmail.com> <58DB8629-7697-4E5A-AA17-855EA20B941B@gmail.com> <3DA90933-EB5E-4478-AF66-DD8237B3C73B@sb.org> <106fc6ec0511261648p57f8292cicf0fefe2cecc57c9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7E7DC6EB-19AB-4141-83AA-AF5EE507A08D@sigkill.org> On Dec 5, 2005, at 11:47 AM, Rob Sanheim wrote: >> > > Was there ever a resolution to this? > - rob The fix went into the trunk a couple days ago, but it seems to be causing problems for a few people. Does anyone know if the bug applies to 2.6.0? I haven't tested it, but I think this showed up as part of the big (articles, comments, trackbacks) -> contents move, which is trunk-only right now. Scott From scott at sigkill.org Mon Dec 5 15:13:21 2005 From: scott at sigkill.org (Scott Laird) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 12:13:21 -0800 Subject: [typo] Abstemious Cache Sweeping In-Reply-To: <439492E9.10805@uwmike.com> References: <439464E1.50303@uwmike.com> <1918993B-DBFD-4FC3-ADA8-514E03A451D7@carrel.org> <439492E9.10805@uwmike.com> Message-ID: <61C9AD02-4A07-4DE5-8D3C-469BDA107D31@sigkill.org> On Dec 5, 2005, at 11:20 AM, Mike Purvis wrote: > Justus Pendleton wrote: > >> Or you could use frames which aren't server specific and work on >> almost >> every browser. Moving the sidebar to a separate frame would probably >> make it easier to implement separate cache policies for the >> sidebar vs. >> the main content area. >> > I'm much more comfortable with the idea of a server-include, > myself. If > we don't want to run Rails for simple includes, couldn't typo just > even > be changed to generate ".php" files instead of ".html"? Then they > could > simply include code like '' in > them. > > I hate to be a downer, but I frequently browse with JS-off, and I know > at least two people who access my site from BlackBerrys. Making key > navigational/content entities depend on a javascript call is not > exactly > "progressive enhancement". Typo isn't going to depend on PHP. Frankly, I think the right fix for this whole mess is to make the non-cached case faster (which is a work in progress, but skaes has made a lot of suggestions) and then not worry about caching too much--we really *should* be fast enough for 98% of all users *without* the cache. I have a pretty clear idea of how to fix the sidebar lifespan problem; it's not really all that hard, and the solutions solves several other problems at the same time, like post-dated articles. Scott From freedom at freedomdumlao.com Mon Dec 5 16:36:24 2005 From: freedom at freedomdumlao.com (Freedom Dumlao) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:36:24 -0500 Subject: [typo] Typo Forums Now Available! (Moderators wanted!) Message-ID: <3FC881F3-4AEF-41BE-9B1C-A282B915BE6C@freedomdumlao.com> Well, after all the discussion I decided to go ahead and open a forum for Typo. The URL is http://www.typoforums.com (catchy eh?) I currently need a couple moderators to help out, so if anyone is interested please send me an off list email. I look forward to seeing all of you there. Oh and for those of you who want to keep up on the discussions but not have to load a forum, I have installed an RSS feed at http:// www.typoforums.com/fm/rss.php -Fuzzyfree From facedown at mac.com Mon Dec 5 16:42:02 2005 From: facedown at mac.com (facedown@mac.com) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 13:42:02 -0800 Subject: [typo] Typo Forums Now Available! (Moderators wanted!) In-Reply-To: <3FC881F3-4AEF-41BE-9B1C-A282B915BE6C@freedomdumlao.com> References: <3FC881F3-4AEF-41BE-9B1C-A282B915BE6C@freedomdumlao.com> Message-ID: <7A3FCC0C-4755-4D74-BE4B-2745A0499B82@mac.com> Heh. You missed some of the discussion, then. Now we have two. :) ~Kevin On Dec 5, 2005, at 1:36 PM, Freedom Dumlao wrote: > Well, after all the discussion I decided to go ahead and open a forum > for Typo. > > The URL is http://www.typoforums.com (catchy eh?) > > I currently need a couple moderators to help out, so if anyone is > interested please send me an off list email. > > I look forward to seeing all of you there. > > Oh and for those of you who want to keep up on the discussions but > not have to load a forum, I have installed an RSS feed at http:// > www.typoforums.com/fm/rss.php > > -Fuzzyfree > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list From jbainbridge at gmail.com Mon Dec 5 17:45:22 2005 From: jbainbridge at gmail.com (Jason Bainbridge) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:45:22 -0600 Subject: [typo] Typo Forums Now Available! (Moderators wanted!) In-Reply-To: <7A3FCC0C-4755-4D74-BE4B-2745A0499B82@mac.com> References: <3FC881F3-4AEF-41BE-9B1C-A282B915BE6C@freedomdumlao.com> <7A3FCC0C-4755-4D74-BE4B-2745A0499B82@mac.com> Message-ID: Now that is exactly why I posted at least a couple of times to the list mentioning that Kevin and I were working on getting the forums up & running, that is so there was no duplication of effort with different people working on different forums.... As it stands we were/are working on cleaning up http://typoforums.org to get it ready for release, didn't you think something was up when you registered the domain and typoforums.org was already taken? We decided on using SMF for the forum software for various reasons that are discussed in the announcement thread: http://typoforums.org/index.php/topic,2.new.html#new phpBB was not chosen mainly because of it's bad track record with security (yes, it may be better now but it is still a big target and a lot of people don't think well of it). Typoforums.org is also the only decently sized site running on a VPS so it isn't going to have any shared hosting related problems. So what do we do now? What would the Typo community prefer? Having two lots of forums would be silly so one lot of the forums is going to have to get another domain pointed to them.... Regards, -- Jason Bainbridge An Aussie geek stuck in Texas - http://jasonbainbridge.com Advertisement free blogs for those affected by emergency situations - http://911blogs.com On 12/5/05, facedown at mac.com wrote: > Heh. You missed some of the discussion, then. Now we have two. :) > > ~Kevin > > On Dec 5, 2005, at 1:36 PM, Freedom Dumlao wrote: > > > Well, after all the discussion I decided to go ahead and open a forum > > for Typo. > > > > The URL is http://www.typoforums.com (catchy eh?) > > > > I currently need a couple moderators to help out, so if anyone is > > interested please send me an off list email. > > > > I look forward to seeing all of you there. > > > > Oh and for those of you who want to keep up on the discussions but > > not have to load a forum, I have installed an RSS feed at http:// > > www.typoforums.com/fm/rss.php > > > > -Fuzzyfree > > _______________________________________________ > > Typo-list mailing list > > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > From rsanheim at gmail.com Mon Dec 5 18:08:12 2005 From: rsanheim at gmail.com (Rob Sanheim) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 17:08:12 -0600 Subject: [typo] Typo Forums? In-Reply-To: <4249453d0512042241m6f0e0d3bice3d07ca5c4a3fc4@mail.gmail.com> References: <439222DC.4080708@ryoohki.net> <4392EE8B.4040808@carotena.net> <5D175E7B-FEF1-4CE2-BEA0-C8DF483FF5C2@freedomdumlao.com> <439333C4.4080108@carotena.net> <4249453d0512042241m6f0e0d3bice3d07ca5c4a3fc4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 12/5/05, Paul Brown wrote: > All -- > > > [Lots of talk of forum and againstum snipped] > > What about a Yahoo! group for Typo? RSS feeds of entries, good > search, access via email, CAPTCHA-based bot protection, post directly > via web, and no additional software or hardware to maintain? > > Just my $0.02. > > -- > Paul Brown > http://mult.ifario.us I have to say that the yahoo search for groups is basically unusable when a group reaches a certain size. Try searching a group that gets a sizable amount of traffic, and you'll see what I mean. You can only search a subset of messages at one time, and that might mean 100 messages out of 10,000 posted to a list. - Rob -- http://www.robsanheim.com/ http://www.ajaxian.com/ From b.hutchison at gmail.com Mon Dec 5 18:18:01 2005 From: b.hutchison at gmail.com (Brian Hutchison) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:18:01 -0800 Subject: [typo] Typo Forums Now Available! (Moderators wanted!) In-Reply-To: References: <3FC881F3-4AEF-41BE-9B1C-A282B915BE6C@freedomdumlao.com> <7A3FCC0C-4755-4D74-BE4B-2745A0499B82@mac.com> Message-ID: I realize that the PHP solutions are far ahead of RForum, but was any thought given to eating our own dog food, so to speak? RForum ( http://rforum.andreas-s.net/trac/) is written using Ruby on Rails. Its currently in beta but being put to good use at http://www.ruby-forum.com/. More info on RubyForge at http://rubyforge.org/projects/rforum/. It seems to be the furthest along of the Ruby based forums: http://rubyforge.org/search/?type_of_search=soft&words=forum&Search=Search Not nearly as snazzy as SMF or phpBB, but what we don't like we can extend ourselves. Sorry if I missed the earlier discussion on this. - Brian On 12/5/05, Jason Bainbridge wrote: > > Now that is exactly why I posted at least a couple of times to the > list mentioning that Kevin and I were working on getting the forums up > & running, that is so there was no duplication of effort with > different people working on different forums.... > > As it stands we were/are working on cleaning up http://typoforums.org > to get it ready for release, didn't you think something was up when > you registered the domain and typoforums.org was already taken? > > We decided on using SMF for the forum software for various reasons > that are discussed in the announcement thread: > http://typoforums.org/index.php/topic,2.new.html#new phpBB was not > chosen mainly because of it's bad track record with security (yes, it > may be better now but it is still a big target and a lot of people > don't think well of it). Typoforums.org is also the only decently > sized site running on a VPS so it isn't going to have any shared > hosting related problems. > > So what do we do now? What would the Typo community prefer? Having two > lots of forums would be silly so one lot of the forums is going to > have to get another domain pointed to them.... > > Regards, > -- > Jason Bainbridge > An Aussie geek stuck in Texas - http://jasonbainbridge.com > Advertisement free blogs for those affected by emergency situations - > http://911blogs.com > > On 12/5/05, facedown at mac.com wrote: > > Heh. You missed some of the discussion, then. Now we have two. :) > > > > ~Kevin > > > > On Dec 5, 2005, at 1:36 PM, Freedom Dumlao wrote: > > > > > Well, after all the discussion I decided to go ahead and open a forum > > > for Typo. > > > > > > The URL is http://www.typoforums.com (catchy eh?) > > > > > > I currently need a couple moderators to help out, so if anyone is > > > interested please send me an off list email. > > > > > > I look forward to seeing all of you there. > > > > > > Oh and for those of you who want to keep up on the discussions but > > > not have to load a forum, I have installed an RSS feed at http:// > > > www.typoforums.com/fm/rss.php > > > > > > -Fuzzyfree > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Typo-list mailing list > > > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Typo-list mailing list > > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/typo-list/attachments/20051205/e44c96cc/attachment.htm From jbainbridge at gmail.com Mon Dec 5 18:27:35 2005 From: jbainbridge at gmail.com (Jason Bainbridge) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 17:27:35 -0600 Subject: [typo] Typo Forums Now Available! (Moderators wanted!) In-Reply-To: References: <3FC881F3-4AEF-41BE-9B1C-A282B915BE6C@freedomdumlao.com> <7A3FCC0C-4755-4D74-BE4B-2745A0499B82@mac.com> Message-ID: On 12/5/05, Brian Hutchison wrote: > I realize that the PHP solutions are far ahead of RForum, but was any > thought given to eating our own dog food, so to speak? RForum > (http://rforum.andreas-s.net/trac/) is written using Ruby > on Rails. Its currently in beta but being put to good use at > http://www.ruby-forum.com/. More info on RubyForge at > http://rubyforge.org/projects/rforum/. It seems to be the > furthest along of the Ruby based forums: > http://rubyforge.org/search/?type_of_search=soft&words=forum&Search=Search > > Not nearly as snazzy as SMF or phpBB, but what we don't like we can extend > ourselves. Sorry if I missed the earlier discussion on this. There wasn't any discussion on the list about that but Kevin and I discussed it and our thoughts are summarized in the forum announcement and quoted below: "RForum does look very interesting but it is still in its very early stages and not something we thought was ready for the general public to use just yet, remember the forums are aimed mainly at people wanting to install and use Typo as a blog and not for developer types that are comfortable lurking on mailing lists so the forums have to be something they feel comfortable with using and like it or not most people are comfortable with the standard forum type software like SMF." If the forums were aimed at replacing the mailing list then I would see things in a different light but for the general user population I say give them something they are familiar with. There is no technical reason why we couldn't use RForum we just thought it wasn't in the best interest of the users we wish to support at this stage. We also made a comparison to the Wordpress forums where they use something closely tied to Wordpress (bbPress) that a lot of people including us have issues with so we didn't want to go down a similar path to them. Regards, -- Jason Bainbridge An Aussie geek stuck in Texas - http://jasonbainbridge.com Advertisement free blogs for those affected by emergency situations - http://911blogs.com From freedom at freedomdumlao.com Mon Dec 5 19:43:44 2005 From: freedom at freedomdumlao.com (Freedom Dumlao) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 19:43:44 -0500 Subject: [typo] Typo Forums Now Available! (Moderators wanted!) In-Reply-To: References: <3FC881F3-4AEF-41BE-9B1C-A282B915BE6C@freedomdumlao.com> <7A3FCC0C-4755-4D74-BE4B-2745A0499B82@mac.com> Message-ID: <7640EC64-A1ED-4AA2-B9B5-694D765C3164@freedomdumlao.com> No offense was meant by setting up a forum and launching it ahead of Jason's forum. For the record typoforums.com was registered 3 full days before typoforums.org. (you may check the whois record for verification if needed.) Upon starting the thread that you have been following my intention always was to start a forum designed to provide support for the Typo community, a fact that was stated multiple times in my previous posts. (which is also why I registered the typoforums.com domain on December 2nd, when I began the Typo Forums thread!) As far as which forum solution we each have chosen, I feel they each have their merits. I have run multiple phpBB systems in the past and have had no security problems. (Thank goodness.) To each his own however. As far as using rforum, I had considered this, but was unable to consider it due to a lack of features. I would however like to migrate to rforum once it is a bit more mature. I also thought that since Typo was using Trac, a python based system, that it would not be looked down upon to use a php based forum solution. In the near future I will be implementing a forum based mailing list archive, to make the mailing list easier to read and search. I have already implemented an RSS feed to make tracking the forums easy without loading the forum itself. From rodgerd at diaspora.gen.nz Mon Dec 5 20:47:06 2005 From: rodgerd at diaspora.gen.nz (rodgerd@diaspora.gen.nz) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 14:47:06 +1300 (NZDT) Subject: [typo] A possibly dumb question... Message-ID: <22211.202.49.97.7.1133833626.squirrel@sheba.diaspora.gen.nz> With a typo 2.6 install, I see properly formed hyperlinks in comments on blog entries are being rendered as plain text. The comments filter is set to Markdown with Smartypants. Bug? Feature? User error? From cqxiao at gmail.com Mon Dec 5 21:22:55 2005 From: cqxiao at gmail.com (chongqing xiao) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:22:55 -0600 Subject: [typo] current typo install problem - db migration error Message-ID: Hi, I just installed newest typo from typo current. I then set up my database using schema.mysql.sql under db folder. I then run ruby script/server Now I login in to 127.0.0.1:3000 After I create my user, it will go to admin page and ask to update my database. After update my database, it displays the current database version will be 33. Now if I click the user tab, it will error out saying the folloiwng undefined method 'notify_on_comments' I checked the user table and noticed there is no column called 'notify_on_comment'. Does anyone know what migth be wrong? I am using the newest rails. thanks a lot chong From freedom at freedomdumlao.com Mon Dec 5 23:42:41 2005 From: freedom at freedomdumlao.com (Freedom Dumlao) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 23:42:41 -0500 Subject: [typo] Typo Forums Contest! Message-ID: <62BDA254-9464-4FB7-BA36-5B7836937BF6@freedomdumlao.com> So now that the forums are active, and we are beginning to grow our user base, I thought we would kick things off with a little contest to get some helpful information into the forums here! So allow me to announce the first ever Typo Forums Contest! First we'll start with the prizes! The greatest number of quality how-to/tutorials posted: Two years of FREE Typo hosting! 400 MB Storage SSH shell access Unlimited Emails Unlimited Add-On domains Greatest number of useful posts overall: One year of FREE Typo hosting! 400 MB Storage SSH shell access Unlimited Emails Unlimited Add-On domains Best Post Overall A Digital Accessory Pack including: Digital Camera Bag Mini Tripod Four pack of Rechargealbe AA Batteries Battery Charger Courtesy of http://www.mdbattery.com Honorable Mentions (3) Messenger Style Laptop Bag Courtesy of http://www.mdbattery.com Here are the rules: *Only quality posts will be counted for the purpose of this contest. *Making junk posts to intentionally boost your chances will result in disqualification. *Maximum one prize per registered user. *All posts must be made by Friday December 9th, 2005 11:59pm EST. *Judges decisions are final. So come on everyone, and let's see your best Typo articles, how-tos, tutorials, and lets hear your toughest Typo questions, problems, and solutions! The contest begins.... NOW! The Typo Forums can be found at: http://www.typoforums.com (Thank you to our sponsors, http://www.mdbattery.com and http:// www.mambopanda.com) From kvanderauwera at gmail.com Tue Dec 6 03:22:16 2005 From: kvanderauwera at gmail.com (Koen Van der Auwera) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 09:22:16 +0100 Subject: [typo] Typo Forums Now Available! (Moderators wanted!) In-Reply-To: <7640EC64-A1ED-4AA2-B9B5-694D765C3164@freedomdumlao.com> References: <3FC881F3-4AEF-41BE-9B1C-A282B915BE6C@freedomdumlao.com> <7A3FCC0C-4755-4D74-BE4B-2745A0499B82@mac.com> <7640EC64-A1ED-4AA2-B9B5-694D765C3164@freedomdumlao.com> Message-ID: <53f0709b0512060022x33888ecbg4c1a0ddeb68a030e@mail.gmail.com> Now which of the two are we going to use? I'm not gonna keep an eye on 2 forums, and I'm probably not the only one. It's just not usable. Imagine: mailinglist user A asks a question mailinglist user B: "check the forum" mailinglist user A: "I did check the forum" mailinglist user B: "no, the _other_ forum" -- Koen. From pdcawley at bofh.org.uk Tue Dec 6 03:49:59 2005 From: pdcawley at bofh.org.uk (Piers Cawley) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 08:49:59 +0000 Subject: [typo] A possibly dumb question... In-Reply-To: <22211.202.49.97.7.1133833626.squirrel@sheba.diaspora.gen.nz> (rodgerd@diaspora.gen.nz's message of "Tue, 6 Dec 2005 14:47:06 +1300 (NZDT)") References: <22211.202.49.97.7.1133833626.squirrel@sheba.diaspora.gen.nz> Message-ID: rodgerd at diaspora.gen.nz writes: > With a typo 2.6 install, I see properly formed hyperlinks in comments on > blog entries are being rendered as plain text. The comments filter is set > to Markdown with Smartypants. > > Bug? Feature? User error? A glance at test/functional/articles_controller_test.rb seems to imply it's a bug. Looking at the implementation of ArticlesControllerTest#test_comment_spam1 I reckon a new test along the lines of this should expose any bug. def test_comment_spam_with_markdown_smartypants settings[:comment_text_filter] = "markdown smartypants" test_comment_spam1 end Where 'test_comment_spam1' takes a string with a well formed link in it and simply turns it into a 'nofollow' link (and adds

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wrappers round the string). I'll have a proper look later. -- Piers Cawley http://www.bofh.org.uk/ From pdcawley at bofh.org.uk Tue Dec 6 04:07:43 2005 From: pdcawley at bofh.org.uk (Piers Cawley) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 09:07:43 +0000 Subject: [typo] A possibly dumb question... In-Reply-To: (Piers Cawley's message of "Tue, 06 Dec 2005 08:49:59 +0000") References: <22211.202.49.97.7.1133833626.squirrel@sheba.diaspora.gen.nz> Message-ID: Piers Cawley writes: > rodgerd at diaspora.gen.nz writes: > >> With a typo 2.6 install, I see properly formed hyperlinks in comments on >> blog entries are being rendered as plain text. The comments filter is set >> to Markdown with Smartypants. >> >> Bug? Feature? User error? > > A glance at test/functional/articles_controller_test.rb seems to imply > it's a bug. But I'm looking at the trunk not 2.6, so it might be a little longer before I take a closer look. -- Piers Cawley http://www.bofh.org.uk/ From rodgerd at diaspora.gen.nz Tue Dec 6 04:20:05 2005 From: rodgerd at diaspora.gen.nz (Rodger Donaldson) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 22:20:05 +1300 Subject: [typo] A possibly dumb question... In-Reply-To: References: <22211.202.49.97.7.1133833626.squirrel@sheba.diaspora.gen.nz> Message-ID: <20051206092005.GA2198@diaspora.gen.nz> On Tue, Dec 06, 2005 at 08:49:59AM +0000, Piers Cawley wrote: > rodgerd at diaspora.gen.nz writes: > > > With a typo 2.6 install, I see properly formed hyperlinks in comments on > > blog entries are being rendered as plain text. The comments filter is set > > to Markdown with Smartypants. > > > > Bug? Feature? User error? > > A glance at test/functional/articles_controller_test.rb seems to imply > it's a bug. > > Looking at the implementation of > ArticlesControllerTest#test_comment_spam1 I reckon a new test along > the lines of this should expose any bug. > > def test_comment_spam_with_markdown_smartypants > settings[:comment_text_filter] = "markdown smartypants" > test_comment_spam1 > end > > Where 'test_comment_spam1' takes a string with a well formed link in > it and simply turns it into a 'nofollow' link (and adds

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> wrappers round the string). > > I'll have a proper look later. Along those lines, it's also (I notice) adding another nofollow attribute every time the comment is edited, irrespective of whether there's already one there. -- Rodger Donaldson rodgerd at diaspora.gen.nz >And here I thought the brain was the ultimate sex toy. Overrated, really. The container is such a pain to open, and it's only much fun while it's warm and fresh. -- Kai Henningsen & Patrick R. Wade From gersbo at gmail.com Tue Dec 6 05:38:46 2005 From: gersbo at gmail.com (Christopher =?utf-8?b?R2Vyc2JvLU3DuGxsZXI=?=) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:38:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [typo] Problem updating Typo 2.5.6 to 2.6.0 Message-ID: Hello, I'm very new at both Ruby On Rails and Typo. I have just tried to update from Typo 2.5.6 to 2.6.0, following the steps listed here: http://typo.leetsoft.com/trac/wiki/TroubleShooting. Rake aborts the migration process with the following error, when running 'rake migrate RAILS_ENV="development"': (in C:/cgm/dev/RUBY_P~1/TYPO-2~1.0) rake aborted! undefined method `emulate_booleans=' for ActiveRecord::ConnectionAdapters::MysqlAdapter:Class ./rakefile:24 This error appears to be caused by the file 'config/environment.rb', of which the last line reads: 'ActiveRecord::ConnectionAdapters::MysqlAdapter.emulate_booleans = false rescue nil' I am using PosgreSQL and not MySQL - could this be the cause of the error? I do not really see why there should be a MySQL-specfic statement in 'config/environment.rb'. Any help or pointers appreciated Best Regards Christopher From pdcawley at bofh.org.uk Tue Dec 6 07:07:33 2005 From: pdcawley at bofh.org.uk (Piers Cawley) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 12:07:33 +0000 Subject: [typo] A possibly dumb question... In-Reply-To: <20051206092005.GA2198@diaspora.gen.nz> (Rodger Donaldson's message of "Tue, 6 Dec 2005 22:20:05 +1300") References: <22211.202.49.97.7.1133833626.squirrel@sheba.diaspora.gen.nz> <20051206092005.GA2198@diaspora.gen.nz> Message-ID: Rodger Donaldson writes: > On Tue, Dec 06, 2005 at 08:49:59AM +0000, Piers Cawley wrote: >> rodgerd at diaspora.gen.nz writes: >> >> > With a typo 2.6 install, I see properly formed hyperlinks in comments on >> > blog entries are being rendered as plain text. The comments filter is set >> > to Markdown with Smartypants. >> > >> > Bug? Feature? User error? >> >> A glance at test/functional/articles_controller_test.rb seems to imply >> it's a bug. >> >> Looking at the implementation of >> ArticlesControllerTest#test_comment_spam1 I reckon a new test along >> the lines of this should expose any bug. >> >> def test_comment_spam_with_markdown_smartypants >> settings[:comment_text_filter] = "markdown smartypants" >> test_comment_spam1 >> end >> >> Where 'test_comment_spam1' takes a string with a well formed link in >> it and simply turns it into a 'nofollow' link (and adds

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>> wrappers round the string). >> >> I'll have a proper look later. > > Along those lines, it's also (I notice) adding another nofollow > attribute every time the comment is edited, irrespective of whether > there's already one there. I'm surprised it's adding one every time, since the html *should* be generated from the unformatted body (which is (or should be sacrosanct)). But nofollowify is definitely in the 'ugly hack' category of html modification. Having looked at its implementation I can think of all sorts of ways to break it in an entertaining fashion (I think a suitably crafted atrribute could let a spammer avoid the nofollow for instance.) I shall be having a play later. -- Piers Cawley http://www.bofh.org.uk/ From scott at sigkill.org Tue Dec 6 10:10:09 2005 From: scott at sigkill.org (Scott Laird) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 07:10:09 -0800 Subject: [typo] Problem updating Typo 2.5.6 to 2.6.0 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <83B1228A-A4BE-4CD8-A5B8-773210BA8A17@sigkill.org> On Dec 6, 2005, at 2:38 AM, Christopher Gersbo-M?ller wrote: > Hello, > > I'm very new at both Ruby On Rails and Typo. > I have just tried to update from Typo 2.5.6 to 2.6.0, following the > steps listed > here: http://typo.leetsoft.com/trac/wiki/TroubleShooting. > Rake aborts the migration process with the following error, when > running 'rake > migrate RAILS_ENV="development"': > > (in C:/cgm/dev/RUBY_P~1/TYPO-2~1.0) > rake aborted! > undefined method `emulate_booleans=' for > ActiveRecord::ConnectionAdapters::MysqlAdapter:Class > ./rakefile:24 > > This error appears to be caused by the file 'config/ > environment.rb', of which > the last line reads: > > 'ActiveRecord::ConnectionAdapters::MysqlAdapter.emulate_booleans > = false rescue nil' > > I am using PosgreSQL and not MySQL - could this be the cause of the > error? I do > not really see why there should be a MySQL-specfic statement in > 'config/environment.rb'. > > Any help or pointers appreciated That line is needed to make MySQL work with Rails 0.14.x; you're probably using 0.13.1, so just delete the line. It'll be fine. Scott From phil at cryer.us Tue Dec 6 10:24:56 2005 From: phil at cryer.us (phil) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 9:24:56 -0600 Subject: [typo] Trackback issue? In-Reply-To: f56bbdf5341c336114ccd05d2fdb71c5@localhost Message-ID: <920757918346f74a12a412a4088845e6@pepe.cryer.us> On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 16:19:23 -0600, phil wrote: > I created a post that referenced a site that gave me the idea of the post > in the first place. It shows up on his site, but sans my domain name. In > other words: > > http://articles/2005/12/02/pocket-server > > instead of > > http://fak3r.com/articles/2005/12/02/pocket-server > > Not sure what I did wrong, there's nowhere to configure a trackback that I > can see, would it be Technorati that munged it? > > His article: > > http://www.mckeay.net/secure/archives/000610.html > > His listing of my trackback: > > http://www.mckeay.net/secure/archives/000610.html > > My article on my site: > > http://fak3r.com/articles/2005/12/02/pocket-server To answer a previous query about this; to form the trackback I don't think I did anything so I assume Technorati took care of it. Am I off base? Also, now someone placed a trackback on my article, but the uri is simply my URL with his URL appended; thus it goes to a 404: http://fak3r.com/articles/2005/12/02/pocket-server#trackbacks Did I miss something in setting up Trackbacks? I see no options. Thanks P -- http://fak3r.com - you don't have to kick it From scott at sigkill.org Tue Dec 6 10:36:36 2005 From: scott at sigkill.org (Scott Laird) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 07:36:36 -0800 Subject: [typo] A possibly dumb question... In-Reply-To: References: <22211.202.49.97.7.1133833626.squirrel@sheba.diaspora.gen.nz> Message-ID: On Dec 6, 2005, at 1:07 AM, Piers Cawley wrote: > Piers Cawley writes: > >> rodgerd at diaspora.gen.nz writes: >> >>> With a typo 2.6 install, I see properly formed hyperlinks in >>> comments on >>> blog entries are being rendered as plain text. The comments >>> filter is set >>> to Markdown with Smartypants. >>> >>> Bug? Feature? User error? >> >> A glance at test/functional/articles_controller_test.rb seems to >> imply >> it's a bug. > > But I'm looking at the trunk not 2.6, so it might be a little longer > before I take a closer look. With 2.6 (or any version before about 3 days ago, minus a few bugs), *all* HTML was stripped out of comment bodies. If you wanted a link, then you needed to ask for one using Markdown or Textile, because the user wasn't allowed to enter HTML directly. This broke somewhere along the way in the trunk, which caused a XSS vulnerability, which is the main reason that we'd restricted HTML in the first place. The fix that's currently in place in the trunk doesn't actually block HTML (although we might turn that back on soon), it uses Rails' sanitize function to remove > > > > Nothing happens with these changes. What could the problem be? Is > > there > > another way of accomplishing this? I am new to Rails and programming, > > so any > > help, thoughts or ideas are greatly appreciated. > > > > Tracey > > http://52reasons.ath.cx > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Typo-list mailing list > > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > > > > > > -- > Micah Wylde > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/typo-list/attachments/20051207/d19df89e/attachment.htm From dusty.jewett at gmail.com Wed Dec 7 06:54:51 2005 From: dusty.jewett at gmail.com (Dusty Jewett) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 03:54:51 -0800 Subject: [typo] Migrate error in latest version In-Reply-To: <4393EE2B.5050901@realityforge.org> References: <125c0c0d0512042301t7591ad75x2ac08099c8b13c9d@mail.gmail.com> <4393EE2B.5050901@realityforge.org> Message-ID: <939e27410512070354g25d2131ftee092ef67c11b968@mail.gmail.com> Peter, I'm getting this error too, how did you fix this? -Dusty On 12/4/05, Peter Donald wrote: > > Hi, > > Ignore this it is a bug in rails. Sorry for the noise. > > Peter Donald wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I just retrieved the latest version of typo from subversion and > > attempted to migrate from version 28 to latest and I get the following > > error. Anyone got any ideas? (I am on Rails 0.14.3) > > > > F:\Projects\typo>rake migrate --trace > > (in F:/Projects/typo) > > ** Invoke migrate (first_time) > > ** Invoke environment (first_time) > > ** Execute environment > > ** Execute migrate > > rake aborted! > > is not a class/module > > ./config/../components/plugins/textfilters/amazon_controller.rb:1 > > c:/applications/ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activesupport-1.2.3 > /lib/active_suppo > > rt/dependencies.rb:207:in `load' > > c:/applications/ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activesupport-1.2.3 > /lib/active_suppo > > rt/dependencies.rb:207:in `load' > > c:/applications/ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activesupport-1.2.3 > /lib/active_suppo > > rt/dependencies.rb:39:in `require_or_load' > > c:/applications/ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activesupport-1.2.3 > /lib/active_suppo > > rt/dependencies.rb:22:in `depend_on' > > c:/applications/ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activesupport-1.2.3 > /lib/active_suppo > > rt/dependencies.rb:178:in `require_dependency' > > c:/applications/ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activesupport-1.2.3 > /lib/active_suppo > > rt/dependencies.rb:178:in `require_dependency' > > ./config/../app/controllers/textfilter_controller.rb:108 > > ./config/../app/controllers/textfilter_controller.rb:107:in `each' > > ./config/../app/controllers/textfilter_controller.rb:107 > > > c:/applications/ruby/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:18:in > `re > > quire__' > > > c:/applications/ruby/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:18:in > `re > > quire' > > c:/applications/ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activesupport-1.2.3 > /lib/active_suppo > > rt/dependencies.rb:214:in `require' > > ./config/../app/models/text_filter.rb:2 > > ... > > > > -- > > Cheers, > > > > Peter Donald > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Typo-list mailing list > > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/typo-list/attachments/20051207/c964494f/attachment.htm From peter at groebi.com Wed Dec 7 07:16:52 2005 From: peter at groebi.com (Peter =?utf-8?b?S3LDtnBmbA==?=) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 12:16:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [typo] install error 500 References: <939e27410512070323r3dcba87ao30a4e26439fa8bef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Dusty Jewett gmail.com> writes: > > > If it says table not found, I'm guessing that you haven't run the .sql file. Unline wordpress/mt, the "installation" doesn't happen automagically, you're gonna have to load and run the schema file for whatever database you are using. > -Dusty Thanks, a lot. Problem solved I thought typo does crate the db tables, when there is a working db conneciton. Peter From peter.j.donald at gmail.com Wed Dec 7 07:22:01 2005 From: peter.j.donald at gmail.com (Peter Donald) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 23:22:01 +1100 Subject: [typo] Migrate error in latest version In-Reply-To: <939e27410512070354g25d2131ftee092ef67c11b968@mail.gmail.com> References: <125c0c0d0512042301t7591ad75x2ac08099c8b13c9d@mail.gmail.com> <4393EE2B.5050901@realityforge.org> <939e27410512070354g25d2131ftee092ef67c11b968@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <125c0c0d0512070422p6dd05337v41d28b40ae95f115@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I think it depends on the version of rails you are using - I am using 0.14.3 but it may be present in other versions. What I did was go into the documentation.rake file in the rails plugin. On windows this is located at $RUBY_HOME\lib\ruby\gems\1.8\gems\rails-0.14.3\lib\tasks\documentation.rake In this file they use Plugins = FileList... And refer to Plugins a few more times in that file. Just replace it with "plugins" (ie make p lowercase) and it should work. Hope that helps. -- Cheers, Peter Donald Blog: http://www.RealityForge.org On 12/7/05, Dusty Jewett wrote: > Peter, > I'm getting this error too, how did you fix this? > > -Dusty > > On 12/4/05, Peter Donald wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Ignore this it is a bug in rails. Sorry for the noise. > > > > Peter Donald wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I just retrieved the latest version of typo from subversion and > > > attempted to migrate from version 28 to latest and I get the following > > > error. Anyone got any ideas? (I am on Rails 0.14.3) > > > > > > F:\Projects\typo>rake migrate --trace > > > (in F:/Projects/typo) > > > ** Invoke migrate (first_time) > > > ** Invoke environment (first_time) > > > ** Execute environment > > > ** Execute migrate > > > rake aborted! > > > is not a class/module > > > > ./config/../components/plugins/textfilters/amazon_controller.rb:1 > > > > c:/applications/ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activesupport-1.2.3/lib/active_suppo > > > rt/dependencies.rb:207:in `load' > > > > c:/applications/ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activesupport-1.2.3/lib/active_suppo > > > rt/dependencies.rb:207:in `load' > > > > c:/applications/ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activesupport-1.2.3/lib/active_suppo > > > rt/dependencies.rb:39:in `require_or_load' > > > > c:/applications/ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activesupport-1.2.3/lib/active_suppo > > > rt/dependencies.rb:22:in `depend_on' > > > > c:/applications/ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activesupport- > 1.2.3/lib/active_suppo > > > rt/dependencies.rb:178:in `require_dependency' > > > > c:/applications/ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activesupport-1.2.3/lib/active_suppo > > > rt/dependencies.rb:178:in `require_dependency' > > > > ./config/../app/controllers/textfilter_controller.rb:108 > > > > ./config/../app/controllers/textfilter_controller.rb:107:in > `each' > > > > ./config/../app/controllers/textfilter_controller.rb:107 > > > > c:/applications/ruby/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:18:in > `re > > > quire__' > > > > c:/applications/ruby/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:18:in > `re > > > quire' > > > > c:/applications/ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activesupport-1.2.3/lib/active_suppo > > > rt/dependencies.rb:214:in `require' > > > ./config/../app/models/text_filter.rb:2 > > > ... From kvanderauwera at gmail.com Wed Dec 7 08:00:37 2005 From: kvanderauwera at gmail.com (Koen Van der Auwera) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 14:00:37 +0100 Subject: [typo] Feeds Message-ID: <53f0709b0512070500p62b3da24y8ef8b7a5e44900db@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, When using an aggregator, everytime I post a new article, all the articles in my feed appear to be new, although they're not. This is pretty annoying since one reader says he's getiting all my posts 2 or 3 times. Any ideas? Anyone else noticed this? (I'm running 2.6.0 - stable) Thanks, -- Koen. From kellan at pobox.com Wed Dec 7 08:51:20 2005 From: kellan at pobox.com (kellan) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 08:51:20 -0500 Subject: [typo] Feeds In-Reply-To: <53f0709b0512070500p62b3da24y8ef8b7a5e44900db@mail.gmail.com> References: <53f0709b0512070500p62b3da24y8ef8b7a5e44900db@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <422b9b380512070551q418e2e62n8a7ad43db60eea9d@mail.gmail.com> > When using an aggregator, everytime I post a new article, all the > articles in my feed appear to be new, although they're not. I'm getting reports that people are seeing this with my feeds as well, though I'm not seeing it in Bloglines. (running 2.0.6) Knowing that Bloglines ignores feed dates as unreliable I've assumed that the problem lies somewhere in the date format, but I haven't had a chance to dive into it yet. -kellan On 12/7/05, Koen Van der Auwera wrote: > Hi all, > > > This is pretty annoying since one reader says he's getiting all my > posts 2 or 3 times. > > Any ideas? Anyone else noticed this? > > (I'm running 2.6.0 - stable) > > Thanks, > > -- > Koen. > > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > From scott at sigkill.org Wed Dec 7 09:34:37 2005 From: scott at sigkill.org (Scott Laird) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 06:34:37 -0800 Subject: [typo] Feeds In-Reply-To: <53f0709b0512070500p62b3da24y8ef8b7a5e44900db@mail.gmail.com> References: <53f0709b0512070500p62b3da24y8ef8b7a5e44900db@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Dec 7, 2005, at 5:00 AM, Koen Van der Auwera wrote: > Hi all, > > When using an aggregator, everytime I post a new article, all the > articles in my feed appear to be new, although they're not. > > This is pretty annoying since one reader says he's getiting all my > posts 2 or 3 times. > > Any ideas? Anyone else noticed this? > > (I'm running 2.6.0 - stable) Which feed reader are they using? Scott From kvanderauwera at gmail.com Wed Dec 7 09:50:16 2005 From: kvanderauwera at gmail.com (Koen Van der Auwera) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 15:50:16 +0100 Subject: [typo] Feeds In-Reply-To: References: <53f0709b0512070500p62b3da24y8ef8b7a5e44900db@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <53f0709b0512070650v1607b212s9557ecf0331e7f93@mail.gmail.com> I use, google reader and I see it too. My colleagues are using RSSOwl (http://www.rssowl.org/) and RSSBandit (http://www.rssbandit.org/). On 12/7/05, Scott Laird wrote: > > On Dec 7, 2005, at 5:00 AM, Koen Van der Auwera wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > When using an aggregator, everytime I post a new article, all the > > articles in my feed appear to be new, although they're not. > > > > This is pretty annoying since one reader says he's getiting all my > > posts 2 or 3 times. > > > > Any ideas? Anyone else noticed this? > > > > (I'm running 2.6.0 - stable) > > Which feed reader are they using? > > > Scott > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > -- Koen. From mike at uwmike.com Wed Dec 7 10:23:47 2005 From: mike at uwmike.com (Mike Purvis) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:23:47 -0500 Subject: [typo] Admin controller hacking In-Reply-To: <939e27410512070344j1dbfc23h7ff0b6e4dc523bd2@mail.gmail.com> References: <106fc6ec0512032028r327f0f01mf4908db42da1d7a0@mail.gmail.com> <939e27410512070344j1dbfc23h7ff0b6e4dc523bd2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4396FE83.4010409@uwmike.com> Dusty Jewett wrote: > you're right, script in the html will break w3c compatibility (though > every browser gets it correct, it's still broken) I'm not sure how much interest there is in the larger Rails community, but I'd definitely like to see more Rails apps using strict doctypes and unobtrusive JS through libraries like Behaviour. (http://bennolan.com/behaviour/) Obviously, functionality and the user first... but I know the tight integration with Prototype makes it tempting to just create mountains of inline handlers. It'd be nice to have examples of how to do without them. Mike From justus at ryoohki.net Wed Dec 7 10:56:41 2005 From: justus at ryoohki.net (Justus Pendleton) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 15:56:41 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [typo] Stable revisions References: <939e27410512070342k119e85fq7f537c793a223002@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 2005-12-07, Dusty Jewett wrote: > Hey guys, after a night of fighting rails, only to realize that maybe > I had download a build of rails that wasn't complete, I'm wondering if > there would be any way to note revisions that don't break I think these are called "releases" :) Justus From chris at codeintensity.com Wed Dec 7 12:52:38 2005 From: chris at codeintensity.com (Chris Bailey) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:52:38 -0800 Subject: [typo] Feeds In-Reply-To: <53f0709b0512070650v1607b212s9557ecf0331e7f93@mail.gmail.com> References: <53f0709b0512070500p62b3da24y8ef8b7a5e44900db@mail.gmail.com> <53f0709b0512070650v1607b212s9557ecf0331e7f93@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3c7afabe0512070952l6632313ax7f036a6a48298ac4@mail.gmail.com> I too see this in NetNewsWire on Mac. On 12/7/05, Koen Van der Auwera wrote: > I use, google reader and I see it too. My colleagues are using RSSOwl > (http://www.rssowl.org/) and RSSBandit (http://www.rssbandit.org/). > > On 12/7/05, Scott Laird wrote: > > > > On Dec 7, 2005, at 5:00 AM, Koen Van der Auwera wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > When using an aggregator, everytime I post a new article, all the > > > articles in my feed appear to be new, although they're not. > > > > > > This is pretty annoying since one reader says he's getiting all my > > > posts 2 or 3 times. > > > > > > Any ideas? Anyone else noticed this? > > > > > > (I'm running 2.6.0 - stable) > > > > Which feed reader are they using? > > > > > > Scott > > _______________________________________________ > > Typo-list mailing list > > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > > > > > -- > Koen. > > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > From scott at sigkill.org Wed Dec 7 13:02:43 2005 From: scott at sigkill.org (Scott Laird) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:02:43 -0800 Subject: [typo] Feeds In-Reply-To: <3c7afabe0512070952l6632313ax7f036a6a48298ac4@mail.gmail.com> References: <53f0709b0512070500p62b3da24y8ef8b7a5e44900db@mail.gmail.com> <53f0709b0512070650v1607b212s9557ecf0331e7f93@mail.gmail.com> <3c7afabe0512070952l6632313ax7f036a6a48298ac4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8F8B9CD3-490D-4011-8EC6-3FCB6C7DECC4@sigkill.org> Which URL? I've *never* seen this with NNW, except for the points during the trunk development where we changed GUIDs. Scott On Dec 7, 2005, at 9:52 AM, Chris Bailey wrote: > I too see this in NetNewsWire on Mac. > > On 12/7/05, Koen Van der Auwera wrote: >> I use, google reader and I see it too. My colleagues are using RSSOwl >> (http://www.rssowl.org/) and RSSBandit (http://www.rssbandit.org/). >> >> On 12/7/05, Scott Laird wrote: >>> >>> On Dec 7, 2005, at 5:00 AM, Koen Van der Auwera wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> When using an aggregator, everytime I post a new article, all the >>>> articles in my feed appear to be new, although they're not. >>>> >>>> This is pretty annoying since one reader says he's getiting all my >>>> posts 2 or 3 times. >>>> >>>> Any ideas? Anyone else noticed this? >>>> >>>> (I'm running 2.6.0 - stable) >>> >>> Which feed reader are they using? >>> >>> >>> Scott >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Typo-list mailing list >>> Typo-list at rubyforge.org >>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list >>> >> >> >> -- >> Koen. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Typo-list mailing list >> Typo-list at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list From kellan at pobox.com Wed Dec 7 13:27:22 2005 From: kellan at pobox.com (kellan) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 13:27:22 -0500 Subject: [typo] Feeds In-Reply-To: <8F8B9CD3-490D-4011-8EC6-3FCB6C7DECC4@sigkill.org> References: <53f0709b0512070500p62b3da24y8ef8b7a5e44900db@mail.gmail.com> <53f0709b0512070650v1607b212s9557ecf0331e7f93@mail.gmail.com> <3c7afabe0512070952l6632313ax7f036a6a48298ac4@mail.gmail.com> <8F8B9CD3-490D-4011-8EC6-3FCB6C7DECC4@sigkill.org> Message-ID: <422b9b380512071027x7069b34dy6cb7b0ec7f747d88@mail.gmail.com> On 12/7/05, Scott Laird wrote: > Which URL? I've *never* seen this with NNW, except for the points > during the trunk development where we changed GUIDs. > I'm getting reports against http://laughingmeme.org/index.rdf which is managed by FeedBurner, and in turns points to laughingmeme.org/xml/rss/feed.xml -kellan From aaron at munge.net Wed Dec 7 14:49:39 2005 From: aaron at munge.net (Aaron Malone) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 13:49:39 -0600 Subject: [typo] Feeds In-Reply-To: <3c7afabe0512070952l6632313ax7f036a6a48298ac4@mail.gmail.com> References: <53f0709b0512070500p62b3da24y8ef8b7a5e44900db@mail.gmail.com> <53f0709b0512070650v1607b212s9557ecf0331e7f93@mail.gmail.com> <3c7afabe0512070952l6632313ax7f036a6a48298ac4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43973CD3.8060304@munge.net> Chris Bailey wrote, On 12/07/2005 11:52 AM: > I too see this in NetNewsWire on Mac. I use NNW on my Mac, and have not seen such behaviour. What kind of feed are you using? I'm using the Atom 0.3 feeds. -- Aaron Malone aaron at munge.net From chris at codeintensity.com Wed Dec 7 14:52:15 2005 From: chris at codeintensity.com (Chris Bailey) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:52:15 -0800 Subject: [typo] Feeds In-Reply-To: <422b9b380512071027x7069b34dy6cb7b0ec7f747d88@mail.gmail.com> References: <53f0709b0512070500p62b3da24y8ef8b7a5e44900db@mail.gmail.com> <53f0709b0512070650v1607b212s9557ecf0331e7f93@mail.gmail.com> <3c7afabe0512070952l6632313ax7f036a6a48298ac4@mail.gmail.com> <8F8B9CD3-490D-4011-8EC6-3FCB6C7DECC4@sigkill.org> <422b9b380512071027x7069b34dy6cb7b0ec7f747d88@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3c7afabe0512071152w69ef8f2bw22c4eaa5fda961c3@mail.gmail.com> I actually publish only my Feedburner feeds, but I just tested this and my subscription in NNW is actually to the normal typo feed: http://headangle.com/xml/rss/feed.xml On 12/7/05, kellan wrote: > On 12/7/05, Scott Laird wrote: > > Which URL? I've *never* seen this with NNW, except for the points > > during the trunk development where we changed GUIDs. > > > > I'm getting reports against http://laughingmeme.org/index.rdf which is > managed by FeedBurner, and in turns points to > laughingmeme.org/xml/rss/feed.xml > > -kellan > > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > -- Chris Bailey chris.bailey at gmail.com From trejkaz at trypticon.org Wed Dec 7 16:23:58 2005 From: trejkaz at trypticon.org (Trejkaz) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 08:23:58 +1100 Subject: [typo] Feeds In-Reply-To: References: <53f0709b0512070500p62b3da24y8ef8b7a5e44900db@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200512080824.02891.trejkaz@trypticon.org> On Thursday 08 December 2005 01:34, Scott Laird wrote: > On Dec 7, 2005, at 5:00 AM, Koen Van der Auwera wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > When using an aggregator, everytime I post a new article, all the > > articles in my feed appear to be new, although they're not. > > > > This is pretty annoying since one reader says he's getiting all my > > posts 2 or 3 times. > > > > Any ideas? Anyone else noticed this? > > > > (I'm running 2.6.0 - stable) > > Which feed reader are they using? I see this in Akregator and Thunderbird also. Thunderbird has a long-standing bug with doing this to many sites so I didn't think much of it, but I admit that it's odd to see it happen in Akregator. TX -- Email: trejkaz at trypticon.org Jabber ID: trejkaz at trypticon.org Web site: http://trypticon.org/ GPG Fingerprint: 9EEB 97D7 8F7B 7977 F39F A62C B8C7 BC8B 037E EA73 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/typo-list/attachments/20051208/69a266d0/attachment.bin From aaron at munge.net Wed Dec 7 16:34:58 2005 From: aaron at munge.net (Aaron Malone) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 15:34:58 -0600 Subject: [typo] Feeds In-Reply-To: <3c7afabe0512071152w69ef8f2bw22c4eaa5fda961c3@mail.gmail.com> References: <53f0709b0512070500p62b3da24y8ef8b7a5e44900db@mail.gmail.com> <53f0709b0512070650v1607b212s9557ecf0331e7f93@mail.gmail.com> <3c7afabe0512070952l6632313ax7f036a6a48298ac4@mail.gmail.com> <8F8B9CD3-490D-4011-8EC6-3FCB6C7DECC4@sigkill.org> <422b9b380512071027x7069b34dy6cb7b0ec7f747d88@mail.gmail.com> <3c7afabe0512071152w69ef8f2bw22c4eaa5fda961c3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43975582.6020308@munge.net> Chris Bailey wrote, On 12/07/2005 01:52 PM: > I actually publish only my Feedburner feeds, but I just tested this > and my subscription in NNW is actually to the normal typo feed: > http://headangle.com/xml/rss/feed.xml My suspicion is that this bug is RSS-only; however, I can't see any problems with the RSS feeds I've checked. -- Aaron Malone aaron at munge.net From rsanheim at gmail.com Wed Dec 7 17:19:05 2005 From: rsanheim at gmail.com (Rob Sanheim) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 16:19:05 -0600 Subject: [typo] Stable revisions In-Reply-To: References: <939e27410512070342k119e85fq7f537c793a223002@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 12/7/05, Justus Pendleton wrote: > On 2005-12-07, Dusty Jewett wrote: > > Hey guys, after a night of fighting rails, only to realize that maybe > > I had download a build of rails that wasn't complete, I'm wondering if > > there would be any way to note revisions that don't break > > I think these are called "releases" :) > > Justus > Or you can do something like have a nightly build and a more stable integration build that maybe happens once a week. Not sure if a project of Typo's size really demands that yet, especially with official releases as frequent as they are. - Rob -- http://www.robsanheim.com/ http://www.ajaxian.com/ From peter.j.donald at gmail.com Wed Dec 7 18:10:55 2005 From: peter.j.donald at gmail.com (Peter Donald) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 10:10:55 +1100 Subject: [typo] Feeds In-Reply-To: <200512080824.02891.trejkaz@trypticon.org> References: <53f0709b0512070500p62b3da24y8ef8b7a5e44900db@mail.gmail.com> <200512080824.02891.trejkaz@trypticon.org> Message-ID: <125c0c0d0512071510oa179e9bv62da7497075f3e04@mail.gmail.com> Hi, On 12/8/05, Trejkaz wrote: > > > When using an aggregator, everytime I post a new article, all the > > > articles in my feed appear to be new, although they're not. > > > > > > This is pretty annoying since one reader says he's getiting all my > > > posts 2 or 3 times. > > > > > > Any ideas? Anyone else noticed this? > > > > > > (I'm running 2.6.0 - stable) > > > > Which feed reader are they using? > > I see this in Akregator and Thunderbird also. Thunderbird has a long-standing > bug with doing this to many sites so I didn't think much of it, but I admit > that it's odd to see it happen in Akregator. I get his on occasion due to the way that the feeds generate the urls for each entry. Sometimes they will generate using the ip address and sometimes with the host name so a url for a feed may alternate between http://www.realityforge.org/articles/2005/12/02/validations-for-non-activerecord-model-objects and http://131.172.40.169/articles/2005/12/02/validations-for-non-activerecord-model-objects I have been meaning to go in and fix that by supplying host but haven't got around to it ;) Not sure if that helps. -- Cheers, Peter Donald Blog: http://www.RealityForge.org From scott at sigkill.org Wed Dec 7 18:55:40 2005 From: scott at sigkill.org (Scott Laird) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 15:55:40 -0800 Subject: [typo] Feeds In-Reply-To: <125c0c0d0512071510oa179e9bv62da7497075f3e04@mail.gmail.com> References: <53f0709b0512070500p62b3da24y8ef8b7a5e44900db@mail.gmail.com> <200512080824.02891.trejkaz@trypticon.org> <125c0c0d0512071510oa179e9bv62da7497075f3e04@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <19D06B33-2E1B-4046-8E24-5C2D75937490@sigkill.org> On Dec 7, 2005, at 3:10 PM, Peter Donald wrote: > Hi, > > On 12/8/05, Trejkaz wrote: >>>> When using an aggregator, everytime I post a new article, all the >>>> articles in my feed appear to be new, although they're not. >>>> >>>> This is pretty annoying since one reader says he's getiting all my >>>> posts 2 or 3 times. >>>> >>>> Any ideas? Anyone else noticed this? >>>> >>>> (I'm running 2.6.0 - stable) >>> >>> Which feed reader are they using? >> >> I see this in Akregator and Thunderbird also. Thunderbird has a >> long-standing >> bug with doing this to many sites so I didn't think much of it, >> but I admit >> that it's odd to see it happen in Akregator. > > I get his on occasion due to the way that the feeds generate the urls > for each entry. Sometimes they will generate using the ip address and > sometimes with the host name so a url for a feed may alternate between > > http://www.realityforge.org/articles/2005/12/02/validations- > for-non-activerecord-model-objects > > and > > > http://131.172.40.169/articles/2005/12/02/validations-for-non- > activerecord-model-objects > > I have been meaning to go in and fix that by supplying host but > haven't got around to it ;) Not sure if that helps. Ahh. Interesting. The trunk generates guids and stores them in the DB, so this isn't a problem with the current code. On the other hand, if you're using 2.6.x or earlier, and you have people hitting your website through several different URLs, then the cache *will* make the feed GUIDs move around. Yuck. Yet another reason to get a new release out the door soon. Scott From dusty.jewett at gmail.com Wed Dec 7 19:19:00 2005 From: dusty.jewett at gmail.com (Dusty Jewett) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 16:19:00 -0800 Subject: [typo] Migrate error in latest version In-Reply-To: <125c0c0d0512070422p6dd05337v41d28b40ae95f115@mail.gmail.com> References: <125c0c0d0512042301t7591ad75x2ac08099c8b13c9d@mail.gmail.com> <4393EE2B.5050901@realityforge.org> <939e27410512070354g25d2131ftee092ef67c11b968@mail.gmail.com> <125c0c0d0512070422p6dd05337v41d28b40ae95f115@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <939e27410512071619r52400653g4d10403c3589338f@mail.gmail.com> any clue if there is a workaround for people on shared hosting and don't have access to edit the ruby files? On 12/7/05, Peter Donald wrote: > > Hi, > > I think it depends on the version of rails you are using - I am using > 0.14.3 but it may be present in other versions. What I did was go into > the documentation.rake file in the rails plugin. On windows this is > located at $RUBY_HOME\lib\ruby\gems\1.8\gems\rails- > 0.14.3\lib\tasks\documentation.rake > > In this file they use > > Plugins = FileList... > > And refer to Plugins a few more times in that file. Just replace it > with "plugins" (ie make p lowercase) and it should work. > > Hope that helps. > > -- > Cheers, > > Peter Donald > > Blog: http://www.RealityForge.org > > > On 12/7/05, Dusty Jewett wrote: > > Peter, > > I'm getting this error too, how did you fix this? > > > > -Dusty > > > > On 12/4/05, Peter Donald wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > Ignore this it is a bug in rails. Sorry for the noise. > > > > > > Peter Donald wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > I just retrieved the latest version of typo from subversion and > > > > attempted to migrate from version 28 to latest and I get the > following > > > > error. Anyone got any ideas? (I am on Rails 0.14.3) > > > > > > > > F:\Projects\typo>rake migrate --trace > > > > (in F:/Projects/typo) > > > > ** Invoke migrate (first_time) > > > > ** Invoke environment (first_time) > > > > ** Execute environment > > > > ** Execute migrate > > > > rake aborted! > > > > is not a class/module > > > > > > ./config/../components/plugins/textfilters/amazon_controller.rb:1 > > > > > > c:/applications/ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activesupport-1.2.3 > /lib/active_suppo > > > > rt/dependencies.rb:207:in `load' > > > > > > c:/applications/ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activesupport-1.2.3 > /lib/active_suppo > > > > rt/dependencies.rb:207:in `load' > > > > > > c:/applications/ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activesupport-1.2.3 > /lib/active_suppo > > > > rt/dependencies.rb:39:in `require_or_load' > > > > > > c:/applications/ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activesupport-1.2.3 > /lib/active_suppo > > > > rt/dependencies.rb:22:in `depend_on' > > > > > > c:/applications/ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activesupport- > > 1.2.3/lib/active_suppo > > > > rt/dependencies.rb:178:in `require_dependency' > > > > > > c:/applications/ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activesupport-1.2.3 > /lib/active_suppo > > > > rt/dependencies.rb:178:in `require_dependency' > > > > > > ./config/../app/controllers/textfilter_controller.rb:108 > > > > > > ./config/../app/controllers/textfilter_controller.rb:107:in > > `each' > > > > > > ./config/../app/controllers/textfilter_controller.rb:107 > > > > > > > c:/applications/ruby/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:18:in > > `re > > > > quire__' > > > > > > > c:/applications/ruby/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:18:in > > `re > > > > quire' > > > > > > c:/applications/ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activesupport-1.2.3 > /lib/active_suppo > > > > rt/dependencies.rb:214:in `require' > > > > ./config/../app/models/text_filter.rb:2 > > > > ... > > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On 12/7/05, Mike Purvis wrote: > > Dusty Jewett wrote: > > > you're right, script in the html will break w3c compatibility (though > > every browser gets it correct, it's still broken) > > I'm not sure how much interest there is in the larger Rails community, > but I'd definitely like to see more Rails apps using strict doctypes and > unobtrusive JS through libraries like Behaviour. > (http://bennolan.com/behaviour/) > > Obviously, functionality and the user first... but I know the tight > integration with Prototype makes it tempting to just create mountains of > inline handlers. It'd be nice to have examples of how to do without them. > > Mike > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/typo-list/attachments/20051207/5754a5b7/attachment.htm From scott at sigkill.org Wed Dec 7 19:23:26 2005 From: scott at sigkill.org (Scott Laird) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 16:23:26 -0800 Subject: [typo] Migrate error in latest version In-Reply-To: <939e27410512071619r52400653g4d10403c3589338f@mail.gmail.com> References: <125c0c0d0512042301t7591ad75x2ac08099c8b13c9d@mail.gmail.com> <4393EE2B.5050901@realityforge.org> <939e27410512070354g25d2131ftee092ef67c11b968@mail.gmail.com> <125c0c0d0512070422p6dd05337v41d28b40ae95f115@mail.gmail.com> <939e27410512071619r52400653g4d10403c3589338f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1DB443FC-7262-4568-84F1-14A6A455AF25@sigkill.org> Migrate in the admin UI. It still works. Alternately, you can copy all of Rails into vendor/rails and edit it there. Scott On Dec 7, 2005, at 4:19 PM, Dusty Jewett wrote: > any clue if there is a workaround for people on shared hosting and > don't have access to edit the ruby files? > > On 12/7/05, Peter Donald < peter.j.donald at gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > I think it depends on the version of rails you are using - I am using > 0.14.3 but it may be present in other versions. What I did was go into > the documentation.rake file in the rails plugin. On windows this is > located at $RUBY_HOME\lib\ruby\gems\1.8\gems\rails-0.14.3\lib\tasks > \documentation.rake > > In this file they use > > Plugins = FileList... > > And refer to Plugins a few more times in that file. Just replace it > with "plugins" (ie make p lowercase) and it should work. > > Hope that helps. > > -- > Cheers, > > Peter Donald > > Blog: http://www.RealityForge.org > > > On 12/7/05, Dusty Jewett wrote: > > Peter, > > I'm getting this error too, how did you fix this? > > > > -Dusty > > > > On 12/4/05, Peter Donald wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > Ignore this it is a bug in rails. Sorry for the noise. > > > > > > Peter Donald wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > I just retrieved the latest version of typo from subversion and > > > > attempted to migrate from version 28 to latest and I get the > following > > > > error. Anyone got any ideas? (I am on Rails 0.14.3) > > > > > > > > F:\Projects\typo>rake migrate --trace > > > > (in F:/Projects/typo) > > > > ** Invoke migrate (first_time) > > > > ** Invoke environment (first_time) > > > > ** Execute environment > > > > ** Execute migrate > > > > rake aborted! > > > > is not a class/module > > > > > > ./config/../components/plugins/textfilters/amazon_controller.rb:1 > > > > > > c:/applications/ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activesupport- 1.2.3/ > lib/active_suppo > > > > rt/dependencies.rb:207:in `load' > > > > > > c:/applications/ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activesupport-1.2.3/ > lib/active_suppo > > > > rt/dependencies.rb:207:in `load' > > > > > > c:/applications/ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activesupport-1.2.3/ > lib/active_suppo > > > > rt/dependencies.rb:39:in `require_or_load' > > > > > > c:/applications/ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activesupport- 1.2.3/ > lib/active_suppo > > > > rt/dependencies.rb:22:in `depend_on' > > > > > > c:/applications/ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activesupport- > > 1.2.3/lib/active_suppo > > > > rt/dependencies.rb:178:in `require_dependency' > > > > > > c:/applications/ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activesupport-1.2.3/ > lib/active_suppo > > > > rt/dependencies.rb:178:in `require_dependency' > > > > > > ./config/../app/controllers/textfilter_controller.rb:108 > > > > > > ./config/../app/controllers/textfilter_controller.rb:107:in > > `each' > > > > > > ./config/../app/controllers/textfilter_controller.rb:107 > > > > > > c:/applications/ruby/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/ > custom_require.rb:18:in > > `re > > > > quire__' > > > > > > c:/applications/ruby/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/ > custom_require.rb:18:in > > `re > > > > quire' > > > > > > c:/applications/ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activesupport- 1.2.3/ > lib/active_suppo > > > > rt/dependencies.rb:214:in `require' > > > > ./config/../app/models/text_filter.rb:2 > > > > ... > > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/typo-list/attachments/20051207/ed594cfa/attachment-0001.htm From dusty.jewett at gmail.com Wed Dec 7 20:18:04 2005 From: dusty.jewett at gmail.com (Dusty Jewett) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 17:18:04 -0800 Subject: [typo] Migrate error in latest version In-Reply-To: <1DB443FC-7262-4568-84F1-14A6A455AF25@sigkill.org> References: <125c0c0d0512042301t7591ad75x2ac08099c8b13c9d@mail.gmail.com> <4393EE2B.5050901@realityforge.org> <939e27410512070354g25d2131ftee092ef67c11b968@mail.gmail.com> <125c0c0d0512070422p6dd05337v41d28b40ae95f115@mail.gmail.com> <939e27410512071619r52400653g4d10403c3589338f@mail.gmail.com> <1DB443FC-7262-4568-84F1-14A6A455AF25@sigkill.org> Message-ID: <939e27410512071718r9442bdcnc803a5b721ab12af@mail.gmail.com> I can't get to the admin UI because of database errors :-( Just in case I missed something, as I'm pretty new to rails yet, here's what I did when I decided I wanted to run something newer than 2.6 (to help with the project). set up subversion/tortoiseSVN check out latest code to local box upload code to server edit database.yml again rake migrate --- error with migration, can't continue --- Am I missing something? This process isn't outline anywhere(that I can find), and once I get it figured out, I volunteer to put it on the wiki... Also, with this incompatiblity with 14.3, does that mean the requirement to run typo is now 14.4? Thanks Dusty On 12/7/05, Scott Laird wrote: > > Migrate in the admin UI. It still works. Alternately, you can copy all > of Rails into vendor/rails and edit it there. > > Scott > > On Dec 7, 2005, at 4:19 PM, Dusty Jewett wrote: > > any clue if there is a workaround for people on shared hosting and don't > have access to edit the ruby files? > > On 12/7/05, Peter Donald < peter.j.donald at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I think it depends on the version of rails you are using - I am using > > 0.14.3 but it may be present in other versions. What I did was go into > > the documentation.rake file in the rails plugin. On windows this is > > located at $RUBY_HOME\lib\ruby\gems\1.8\gems\rails- > > 0.14.3\lib\tasks\documentation.rake > > > > In this file they use > > > > Plugins = FileList... > > > > And refer to Plugins a few more times in that file. Just replace it > > with "plugins" (ie make p lowercase) and it should work. > > > > Hope that helps. > > > > -- > > Cheers, > > > > Peter Donald > > > > Blog: http://www.RealityForge.org > > > > > > On 12/7/05, Dusty Jewett wrote: > > > Peter, > > > I'm getting this error too, how did you fix this? > > > > > > -Dusty > > > > > > On 12/4/05, Peter Donald wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > Ignore this it is a bug in rails. Sorry for the noise. > > > > > > > > Peter Donald wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > I just retrieved the latest version of typo from subversion and > > > > > attempted to migrate from version 28 to latest and I get the > > following > > > > > error. Anyone got any ideas? (I am on Rails 0.14.3) > > > > > > > > > > F:\Projects\typo>rake migrate --trace > > > > > (in F:/Projects/typo) > > > > > ** Invoke migrate (first_time) > > > > > ** Invoke environment (first_time) > > > > > ** Execute environment > > > > > ** Execute migrate > > > > > rake aborted! > > > > > is not a class/module > > > > > > > > ./config/../components/plugins/textfilters/amazon_controller.rb:1 > > > > > > > > c:/applications/ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activesupport- 1.2.3 > > /lib/active_suppo > > > > > rt/dependencies.rb:207:in `load' > > > > > > > > c:/applications/ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activesupport-1.2.3 > > /lib/active_suppo > > > > > rt/dependencies.rb:207:in `load' > > > > > > > > c:/applications/ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activesupport-1.2.3 > > /lib/active_suppo > > > > > rt/dependencies.rb:39:in `require_or_load' > > > > > > > > c:/applications/ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activesupport- 1.2.3 > > /lib/active_suppo > > > > > rt/dependencies.rb:22:in `depend_on' > > > > > > > > c:/applications/ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activesupport- > > > 1.2.3/lib/active_suppo > > > > > rt/dependencies.rb:178:in `require_dependency' > > > > > > > > c:/applications/ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activesupport-1.2.3 > > /lib/active_suppo > > > > > rt/dependencies.rb:178:in `require_dependency' > > > > > > > > ./config/../app/controllers/textfilter_controller.rb:108 > > > > > > > > ./config/../app/controllers/textfilter_controller.rb:107:in > > > `each' > > > > > > > > ./config/../app/controllers/textfilter_controller.rb:107 > > > > > > > > > > c:/applications/ruby/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:18:in > > > > > `re > > > > > quire__' > > > > > > > > > > c:/applications/ruby/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:18:in > > > `re > > > > > quire' > > > > > > > > c:/applications/ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activesupport- 1.2.3 > > /lib/active_suppo > > > > > rt/dependencies.rb:214:in `require' > > > > > ./config/../app/models/text_filter.rb:2 > > > > > ... > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Typo-list mailing list > > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/typo-list/attachments/20051207/dfafa0e6/attachment.htm From justus at ryoohki.net Wed Dec 7 20:40:30 2005 From: justus at ryoohki.net (Justus Pendleton) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 01:40:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [typo] Migrate error in latest version References: <125c0c0d0512042301t7591ad75x2ac08099c8b13c9d@mail.gmail.com> <4393EE2B.5050901@realityforge.org> <939e27410512070354g25d2131ftee092ef67c11b968@mail.gmail.com> <125c0c0d0512070422p6dd05337v41d28b40ae95f115@mail.gmail.com> <939e27410512071619r52400653g4d10403c3589338f@mail.gmail.com> <1DB443FC-7262-4568-84F1-14A6A455AF25@sigkill.org> <939e27410512071718r9442bdcnc803a5b721ab12af@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 2005-12-08, Dusty Jewett wrote: > Just in case I missed something, as I'm pretty new to rails yet, > here's what I did when I decided I wanted to run something newer than > 2.6 (to help with the project). > > set up subversion/tortoiseSVN > check out latest code to local box > upload code to server > edit database.yml again > rake migrate > > --- error with migration, can't continue --- > > Am I missing something? According to the README: * create a database for typo. You can find schemas in the db/ folder. I don't see a step like that above; perhaps that is your problem. typo won't create the database or populate it with the initial tables and indices. You need to do that yourself. Justus From peter.j.donald at gmail.com Wed Dec 7 20:46:57 2005 From: peter.j.donald at gmail.com (Peter Donald) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 12:46:57 +1100 Subject: [typo] Migrate error in latest version In-Reply-To: <939e27410512071718r9442bdcnc803a5b721ab12af@mail.gmail.com> References: <125c0c0d0512042301t7591ad75x2ac08099c8b13c9d@mail.gmail.com> <4393EE2B.5050901@realityforge.org> <939e27410512070354g25d2131ftee092ef67c11b968@mail.gmail.com> <125c0c0d0512070422p6dd05337v41d28b40ae95f115@mail.gmail.com> <939e27410512071619r52400653g4d10403c3589338f@mail.gmail.com> <1DB443FC-7262-4568-84F1-14A6A455AF25@sigkill.org> <939e27410512071718r9442bdcnc803a5b721ab12af@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <125c0c0d0512071746g253ce48et67dbdfb6b1dece6a@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Latest rails did not work for me the last time I tried. However I think the following process should work but I have not tested it at all ... svn co svn://leetsoft.com/typo/trunk typo cd typo\vendor svn co http://dev.rubyonrails.org/svn/rails/tags/rel_0-14-3 rails notepad rails\rails-0.14.3\lib\tasks\documentation.rake (Replace "Plugins" with "plugins") cd ..\.. notepad config\database.yml rake migrate ruby script\server start http://127.0.0.1 HTHs -- Cheers, Peter Donald Blog: http://www.RealityForge.org From dusty.jewett at gmail.com Wed Dec 7 21:13:02 2005 From: dusty.jewett at gmail.com (Dusty Jewett) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 18:13:02 -0800 Subject: [typo] Migrate error in latest version In-Reply-To: References: <125c0c0d0512042301t7591ad75x2ac08099c8b13c9d@mail.gmail.com> <4393EE2B.5050901@realityforge.org> <939e27410512070354g25d2131ftee092ef67c11b968@mail.gmail.com> <125c0c0d0512070422p6dd05337v41d28b40ae95f115@mail.gmail.com> <939e27410512071619r52400653g4d10403c3589338f@mail.gmail.com> <1DB443FC-7262-4568-84F1-14A6A455AF25@sigkill.org> <939e27410512071718r9442bdcnc803a5b721ab12af@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <939e27410512071813y45c6c298vbfef5825770c8eb5@mail.gmail.com> I already had the database from 2.6, which is why I'm trying to migrate and not start all over... I don't have that many posts, but it'd be nice to not have to re-post them On 12/7/05, Justus Pendleton wrote: > > On 2005-12-08, Dusty Jewett wrote: > > Just in case I missed something, as I'm pretty new to rails yet, > > here's what I did when I decided I wanted to run something newer than > > 2.6 (to help with the project). > > > > set up subversion/tortoiseSVN > > check out latest code to local box > > upload code to server > > edit database.yml again > > rake migrate > > > > --- error with migration, can't continue --- > > > > Am I missing something? > > According to the README: > > * create a database for typo. You can find schemas in the db/ folder. > > I don't see a step like that above; perhaps that is your problem. typo > won't create the database or populate it with the initial tables and > indices. You need to do that yourself. > > Justus > > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/typo-list/attachments/20051207/d2c8812a/attachment.htm From dusty.jewett at gmail.com Wed Dec 7 21:47:50 2005 From: dusty.jewett at gmail.com (Dusty Jewett) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 18:47:50 -0800 Subject: [typo] Typo Forums Now Available! (Moderators wanted!) In-Reply-To: <53f0709b0512060022x33888ecbg4c1a0ddeb68a030e@mail.gmail.com> References: <3FC881F3-4AEF-41BE-9B1C-A282B915BE6C@freedomdumlao.com> <7A3FCC0C-4755-4D74-BE4B-2745A0499B82@mac.com> <7640EC64-A1ED-4AA2-B9B5-694D765C3164@freedomdumlao.com> <53f0709b0512060022x33888ecbg4c1a0ddeb68a030e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <939e27410512071847s33e9ab0en269dd8341c678c63@mail.gmail.com> I could also see this as being a little "shit-flinging" competition, which wouldn't be good for the community as a whole... So, two urls, two pieces of software... phpBB and SMF... it doesn't matter if one was registered three days before the other, and I'm guessing that the most active members on the list have no preference, as they'll be most interested in the mailing list. There needs to be only one, and you two, Freedom and Jason, need to decide between yourselves, rather than make it into a popularity contest. -dusty On 12/6/05, Koen Van der Auwera wrote: > > Now which of the two are we going to use? I'm not gonna keep an eye on > 2 forums, and I'm probably not the only one. It's just not usable. > > Imagine: > mailinglist user A asks a question > mailinglist user B: "check the forum" > mailinglist user A: "I did check the forum" > mailinglist user B: "no, the _other_ forum" > > -- > Koen. > > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/typo-list/attachments/20051207/a57afe39/attachment-0001.htm From freedom at freedomdumlao.com Thu Dec 8 00:15:07 2005 From: freedom at freedomdumlao.com (freedom@freedomdumlao.com) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 00:15:07 -0500 Subject: [typo] Welcome to Typo Forums Forums Message-ID: Welcome to Typo Forums Forums Please keep this email for your records. 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Thank you for registering. -- The Forum Management From hypsometry at gmail.com Thu Dec 8 00:24:14 2005 From: hypsometry at gmail.com (Chris Boone) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 00:24:14 -0500 Subject: [typo] Welcome to Typo Forums Forums In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <525eb1d90512072124y4a806604w17fceb7d108e1b81@mail.gmail.com> On 12/8/05, freedom at freedomdumlao.com wrote:>> Welcome to Typo Forums Forums Typo Forums Forums: that does seem to sum up the situation. ;) --Chris Boone http://hypsometry.com/ : website edificationhttp://uvlist.org/ : free classifieds for the Upper Valley From rsanheim at gmail.com Thu Dec 8 00:32:48 2005 From: rsanheim at gmail.com (Rob Sanheim) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 23:32:48 -0600 Subject: [typo] Typo Forums Now Available! (Moderators wanted!) In-Reply-To: <939e27410512071847s33e9ab0en269dd8341c678c63@mail.gmail.com> References: <3FC881F3-4AEF-41BE-9B1C-A282B915BE6C@freedomdumlao.com> <7A3FCC0C-4755-4D74-BE4B-2745A0499B82@mac.com> <7640EC64-A1ED-4AA2-B9B5-694D765C3164@freedomdumlao.com> <53f0709b0512060022x33888ecbg4c1a0ddeb68a030e@mail.gmail.com> <939e27410512071847s33e9ab0en269dd8341c678c63@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 12/7/05, Dusty Jewett wrote: > I could also see this as being a little "shit-flinging" competition, which > wouldn't be good for the community as a whole... > > So, two urls, two pieces of software... phpBB and SMF... it doesn't matter > if one was registered three days before the other, and I'm guessing that the > most active members on the list have no preference, as they'll be most > interested in the mailing list. > > There needs to be only one, and you two, Freedom and Jason, need to decide > between yourselves, rather than make it into a popularity contest. > > -dusty > I think you two know what to do. Meet at the monkey bars. After school. No teachers and no weapons. Only one forum will remain. - rob -- http://www.robsanheim.com/ http://www.ajaxian.com/ From freedom at freedomdumlao.com Thu Dec 8 00:36:57 2005 From: freedom at freedomdumlao.com (Freedom Dumlao) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 00:36:57 -0500 Subject: [typo] Typo Forums Now Available! (Moderators wanted!) In-Reply-To: References: <3FC881F3-4AEF-41BE-9B1C-A282B915BE6C@freedomdumlao.com> <7A3FCC0C-4755-4D74-BE4B-2745A0499B82@mac.com> <7640EC64-A1ED-4AA2-B9B5-694D765C3164@freedomdumlao.com> <53f0709b0512060022x33888ecbg4c1a0ddeb68a030e@mail.gmail.com> <939e27410512071847s33e9ab0en269dd8341c678c63@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7E61A71C-9996-4EB5-ACFB-B36B7BD24DD3@freedomdumlao.com> LMAO! I honestly have no animosity towards Jason (although I have to admit being offended when he implied that I had set up a forum in response to his.) I think there is room for 2 forums at this point in time, and perhaps at some point the projects could merge. Freedom On Dec 8, 2005, at 12:32 AM, Rob Sanheim wrote: > On 12/7/05, Dusty Jewett wrote: >> I could also see this as being a little "shit-flinging" >> competition, which >> wouldn't be good for the community as a whole... >> >> So, two urls, two pieces of software... phpBB and SMF... it >> doesn't matter >> if one was registered three days before the other, and I'm >> guessing that the >> most active members on the list have no preference, as they'll be >> most >> interested in the mailing list. >> >> There needs to be only one, and you two, Freedom and Jason, need >> to decide >> between yourselves, rather than make it into a popularity contest. >> >> -dusty >> > > I think you two know what to do. > > Meet at the monkey bars. After school. No teachers and no weapons. > > Only one forum will remain. > - rob > -- > http://www.robsanheim.com/ > http://www.ajaxian.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list From corey.donohoe at gmail.com Thu Dec 8 00:46:41 2005 From: corey.donohoe at gmail.com (Corey Donohoe) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 00:46:41 -0500 Subject: [typo] Typo Forums Now Available! (Moderators wanted!) In-Reply-To: <7E61A71C-9996-4EB5-ACFB-B36B7BD24DD3@freedomdumlao.com> References: <3FC881F3-4AEF-41BE-9B1C-A282B915BE6C@freedomdumlao.com> <7A3FCC0C-4755-4D74-BE4B-2745A0499B82@mac.com> <7640EC64-A1ED-4AA2-B9B5-694D765C3164@freedomdumlao.com> <53f0709b0512060022x33888ecbg4c1a0ddeb68a030e@mail.gmail.com> <939e27410512071847s33e9ab0en269dd8341c678c63@mail.gmail.com> <7E61A71C-9996-4EB5-ACFB-B36B7BD24DD3@freedomdumlao.com> Message-ID: <1a9e786f0512072146u29a92b1j149c6ccac18327c2@mail.gmail.com> You guys should seriously setup a redirect from one typo forum to the other. It doesn't really matter which one, just consolidate your efforts. Fragmenting things doesn't really do much but confuse folks. I'd gladly help/moderate either forum once you all consolidated. On 12/8/05, Freedom Dumlao wrote: > > LMAO! > > I honestly have no animosity towards Jason (although I have to admit > being offended when he implied that I had set up a forum in response > to his.) I think there is room for 2 forums at this point in time, > and perhaps at some point the projects could merge. > > Freedom > > > On Dec 8, 2005, at 12:32 AM, Rob Sanheim wrote: > > > On 12/7/05, Dusty Jewett wrote: > >> I could also see this as being a little "shit-flinging" > >> competition, which > >> wouldn't be good for the community as a whole... > >> > >> So, two urls, two pieces of software... phpBB and SMF... it > >> doesn't matter > >> if one was registered three days before the other, and I'm > >> guessing that the > >> most active members on the list have no preference, as they'll be > >> most > >> interested in the mailing list. > >> > >> There needs to be only one, and you two, Freedom and Jason, need > >> to decide > >> between yourselves, rather than make it into a popularity contest. > >> > >> -dusty > >> > > > > I think you two know what to do. > > > > Meet at the monkey bars. After school. No teachers and no weapons. > > > > Only one forum will remain. > > - rob > > -- > > http://www.robsanheim.com/ > > http://www.ajaxian.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Typo-list mailing list > > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > -- Corey Donohoe http://www.atmos.org/ corey.donohoe at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/typo-list/attachments/20051208/f75f16b8/attachment.htm From dusty.jewett at gmail.com Thu Dec 8 00:50:41 2005 From: dusty.jewett at gmail.com (Dusty Jewett) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 21:50:41 -0800 Subject: [typo] Migrate error in latest version In-Reply-To: <939e27410512071813y45c6c298vbfef5825770c8eb5@mail.gmail.com> References: <125c0c0d0512042301t7591ad75x2ac08099c8b13c9d@mail.gmail.com> <4393EE2B.5050901@realityforge.org> <939e27410512070354g25d2131ftee092ef67c11b968@mail.gmail.com> <125c0c0d0512070422p6dd05337v41d28b40ae95f115@mail.gmail.com> <939e27410512071619r52400653g4d10403c3589338f@mail.gmail.com> <1DB443FC-7262-4568-84F1-14A6A455AF25@sigkill.org> <939e27410512071718r9442bdcnc803a5b721ab12af@mail.gmail.com> <939e27410512071813y45c6c298vbfef5825770c8eb5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <939e27410512072150i3b2b8105ha242506335ccdc20@mail.gmail.com> ok, here's what I've got... original install: 2.6... decided to jump to latest, rm -R'd all of the old code, svn'd in the newest code (as in the example previously), svn'd the latest rails, and I get this error when attempting to migrate. Is this a typo or rails error? [mayo]$ rake migrate --trace (in /home/.badshad/feanish/typo) ** Invoke migrate (first_time) ** Invoke environment (first_time) ** Execute environment rake aborted! no such file to load -- rails_patch/active_record.rb /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activesupport-1.2.3/lib/active_support/dependencies.rb:207:in `load' I thought it might be the second copy of rails in the vendor directory, so I moved it out, but that didn't change the error. Same error when attempting to start script/console Thanks! On 12/7/05, Dusty Jewett wrote: > > I already had the database from 2.6, which is why I'm trying to migrate > and not start all over... I don't have that many posts, but it'd be nice to > not have to re-post them > > On 12/7/05, Justus Pendleton wrote: > > > > On 2005-12-08, Dusty Jewett wrote: > > > Just in case I missed something, as I'm pretty new to rails yet, > > > here's what I did when I decided I wanted to run something newer than > > > 2.6 (to help with the project). > > > > > > set up subversion/tortoiseSVN > > > check out latest code to local box > > > upload code to server > > > edit database.yml again > > > rake migrate > > > > > > --- error with migration, can't continue --- > > > > > > Am I missing something? > > > > According to the README: > > > > * create a database for typo. You can find schemas in the db/ folder. > > > > I don't see a step like that above; perhaps that is your problem. typo > > > > won't create the database or populate it with the initial tables and > > indices. You need to do that yourself. > > > > Justus > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Typo-list mailing list > > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/typo-list/attachments/20051207/6b97a0bf/attachment.htm From dusty.jewett at gmail.com Thu Dec 8 00:53:49 2005 From: dusty.jewett at gmail.com (Dusty Jewett) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 21:53:49 -0800 Subject: [typo] Typo Forums Now Available! (Moderators wanted!) In-Reply-To: <1a9e786f0512072146u29a92b1j149c6ccac18327c2@mail.gmail.com> References: <3FC881F3-4AEF-41BE-9B1C-A282B915BE6C@freedomdumlao.com> <7A3FCC0C-4755-4D74-BE4B-2745A0499B82@mac.com> <7640EC64-A1ED-4AA2-B9B5-694D765C3164@freedomdumlao.com> <53f0709b0512060022x33888ecbg4c1a0ddeb68a030e@mail.gmail.com> <939e27410512071847s33e9ab0en269dd8341c678c63@mail.gmail.com> <7E61A71C-9996-4EB5-ACFB-B36B7BD24DD3@freedomdumlao.com> <1a9e786f0512072146u29a92b1j149c6ccac18327c2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <939e27410512072153v268e62eetb44fe2fb8888d3b0@mail.gmail.com> Like has already been mentioned, finding good moderators will be the most difficult part of the whole forum thing, having two forums just makes that even more difficult... I'd assume that people wouldn't want to get messed up in the politics of two rival forums(ok, maybe not rival, but you're definitely competing), just like Corey On 12/7/05, Corey Donohoe wrote: > > You guys should seriously setup a redirect from one typo forum to the > other. It doesn't really matter which one, just consolidate your efforts. > Fragmenting things doesn't really do much but confuse folks. I'd gladly > help/moderate either forum once you all consolidated. > > On 12/8/05, Freedom Dumlao wrote: > > > > LMAO! > > > > I honestly have no animosity towards Jason (although I have to admit > > being offended when he implied that I had set up a forum in response > > to his.) I think there is room for 2 forums at this point in time, > > and perhaps at some point the projects could merge. > > > > Freedom > > > > > > On Dec 8, 2005, at 12:32 AM, Rob Sanheim wrote: > > > > > On 12/7/05, Dusty Jewett wrote: > > >> I could also see this as being a little "shit-flinging" > > >> competition, which > > >> wouldn't be good for the community as a whole... > > >> > > >> So, two urls, two pieces of software... phpBB and SMF... it > > >> doesn't matter > > >> if one was registered three days before the other, and I'm > > >> guessing that the > > >> most active members on the list have no preference, as they'll be > > >> most > > >> interested in the mailing list. > > >> > > >> There needs to be only one, and you two, Freedom and Jason, need > > >> to decide > > >> between yourselves, rather than make it into a popularity contest. > > >> > > >> -dusty > > >> > > > > > > I think you two know what to do. > > > > > > Meet at the monkey bars. After school. No teachers and no weapons. > > > > > > Only one forum will remain. > > > - rob > > > -- > > > http://www.robsanheim.com/ > > > http://www.ajaxian.com/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Typo-list mailing list > > > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Typo-list mailing list > > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > > > > > > -- > Corey Donohoe > http://www.atmos.org/ > corey.donohoe at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/typo-list/attachments/20051207/90eda44c/attachment-0001.htm From leevi at izilla.com.au Thu Dec 8 00:40:17 2005 From: leevi at izilla.com.au (Leevi Graham) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 16:40:17 +1100 Subject: [typo] Typo Forums Now Available! (Moderators wanted!) In-Reply-To: <939e27410512072153v268e62eetb44fe2fb8888d3b0@mail.gmail.com> References: <3FC881F3-4AEF-41BE-9B1C-A282B915BE6C@freedomdumlao.com> <7A3FCC0C-4755-4D74-BE4B-2745A0499B82@mac.com> <7640EC64-A1ED-4AA2-B9B5-694D765C3164@freedomdumlao.com> <53f0709b0512060022x33888ecbg4c1a0ddeb68a030e@mail.gmail.com> <939e27410512071847s33e9ab0en269dd8341c678c63@mail.gmail.com> <7E61A71C-9996-4EB5-ACFB-B36B7BD24DD3@freedomdumlao.com> <1a9e786f0512072146u29a92b1j149c6ccac18327c2@mail.gmail.com> <939e27410512072153v268e62eetb44fe2fb8888d3b0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4397C741.60606@izilla.com.au> Im thinking of starting a forum for TYPO .. One to rule them all ;) Anyone have any objections Dusty Jewett wrote: > Like has already been mentioned, finding good moderators will be the > most difficult part of the whole forum thing, having two forums just > makes that even more difficult... > > I'd assume that people wouldn't want to get messed up in the politics of > two rival forums(ok, maybe not rival, but you're definitely competing), > just like Corey > > > On 12/7/05, *Corey Donohoe* > wrote: > > You guys should seriously setup a redirect from one typo forum to > the other. It doesn't really matter which one, just consolidate > your efforts. Fragmenting things doesn't really do much but confuse > folks. I'd gladly help/moderate either forum once you all consolidated. > > > On 12/8/05, *Freedom Dumlao* < freedom at freedomdumlao.com > > wrote: > > LMAO! > > I honestly have no animosity towards Jason (although I have to admit > being offended when he implied that I had set up a forum in response > to his.) I think there is room for 2 forums at this point in time, > and perhaps at some point the projects could merge. > > Freedom > > > On Dec 8, 2005, at 12:32 AM, Rob Sanheim wrote: > >> On 12/7/05, Dusty Jewett < dusty.jewett at gmail.com > > wrote: >> > I could also see this as being a little "shit-flinging" >> > competition, which >> > wouldn't be good for the community as a whole... >> > >> > So, two urls, two pieces of software... phpBB and SMF... it >> > doesn't matter >> > if one was registered three days before the other, and I'm >> > guessing that the >> > most active members on the list have no preference, as they'll be >> > most >> > interested in the mailing list. >> > >> > There needs to be only one, and you two, Freedom and Jason, need >> > to decide >> > between yourselves, rather than make it into a popularity > contest. >> > >> > -dusty >> > >> >> I think you two know what to do. >> >> Meet at the monkey bars. After school. No teachers and no > weapons. >> >> Only one forum will remain. >> - rob >> -- >> http://www.robsanheim.com/ >> http://www.ajaxian.com/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Typo-list mailing list >> Typo-list at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > > > > > > -- > Corey Donohoe > http://www.atmos.org/ > corey.donohoe at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/194 - Release Date: 12/7/2005 From freedom at freedomdumlao.com Thu Dec 8 01:17:22 2005 From: freedom at freedomdumlao.com (Freedom Dumlao) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 01:17:22 -0500 Subject: [typo] Typo Forums Now Available! (Moderators wanted!) In-Reply-To: <4397C741.60606@izilla.com.au> References: <3FC881F3-4AEF-41BE-9B1C-A282B915BE6C@freedomdumlao.com> <7A3FCC0C-4755-4D74-BE4B-2745A0499B82@mac.com> <7640EC64-A1ED-4AA2-B9B5-694D765C3164@freedomdumlao.com> <53f0709b0512060022x33888ecbg4c1a0ddeb68a030e@mail.gmail.com> <939e27410512071847s33e9ab0en269dd8341c678c63@mail.gmail.com> <7E61A71C-9996-4EB5-ACFB-B36B7BD24DD3@freedomdumlao.com> <1a9e786f0512072146u29a92b1j149c6ccac18327c2@mail.gmail.com> <939e27410512072153v268e62eetb44fe2fb8888d3b0@mail.gmail.com> <4397C741.60606@izilla.com.au> Message-ID: <78E78B52-EE82-4E53-8FF8-B4FDDA60CBC3@freedomdumlao.com> I am not against the idea of combining and creating one project, however I think that both Jason and I have slightly different visions at the moment, and I think that at the present time we are both working on making sure we will get what we want out of our forums. For example, after my long discussion with Victor, and after several comments having been made by folks on the mailing list, I wanted to be sure that I would be able to link the mailing list with the forum. This feature has been implemented and is being tested as I type this text (we'll know it works if it shows up on the forums!). I also wanted to be sure to include an RSS feed to provide an easy way to see what's new on the board for those who do not want to load the entire forum. There are some other features I would like to implement as well... and I am sure Jason is doing the same thing. From jbainbridge at gmail.com Thu Dec 8 01:20:17 2005 From: jbainbridge at gmail.com (Jason Bainbridge) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 00:20:17 -0600 Subject: [typo] Typo Forums Now Available! (Moderators wanted!) In-Reply-To: <7E61A71C-9996-4EB5-ACFB-B36B7BD24DD3@freedomdumlao.com> References: <3FC881F3-4AEF-41BE-9B1C-A282B915BE6C@freedomdumlao.com> <7A3FCC0C-4755-4D74-BE4B-2745A0499B82@mac.com> <7640EC64-A1ED-4AA2-B9B5-694D765C3164@freedomdumlao.com> <53f0709b0512060022x33888ecbg4c1a0ddeb68a030e@mail.gmail.com> <939e27410512071847s33e9ab0en269dd8341c678c63@mail.gmail.com> <7E61A71C-9996-4EB5-ACFB-B36B7BD24DD3@freedomdumlao.com> Message-ID: On 12/7/05, Freedom Dumlao wrote: > LMAO! > > I honestly have no animosity towards Jason (although I have to admit > being offended when he implied that I had set up a forum in response > to his.) I think there is room for 2 forums at this point in time, > and perhaps at some point the projects could merge. > Actually I didn't mean to imply that at all and I must have been in error as I recall all typoforums TLD's being available when I registered typoforums.org, if I had have had my glasses on and saw that typoforums.com was registered already then that would have raised a red flag. I have no interest in competing and was not trying to set it up as a competition between two forums, in fact I was trying to avoid such a situation by posting to the list before commencing and was surprised to see the announcement of typoforums.com. I disagree that there is room for two forums and if need be I will just point the DNS in the direction of typoforums.com as I am just too tired to fight over such petty things these days. However if Typoforums.com was to be used then I would like to see changes there such as: - For it to cater just to end user support and third party developers, it was determined on list that the developers weren't interested in using forums and would stick to the mailing list so why have boards for it? Also Typo announcements belong on the main Typo website. - The use of phpBB also doesn't sit well with me, it just doesn't seem fitting for a modern open source project to use phpBB. - Remove the Solutions! board and keep solved problems in their respective boards as if someone is having problems installing Typo then they are going to look in Installation Issues and not Solutions - Give the community time to move in and for the dust to settle before throwing posting competitions (I actually think such competitions are tacky anyway). Like why do you need a competition to attract visitors anyway? It is a support forum, users will come to you. :) - Better RSS support, at the moment there is no alternate application/rss+xml link in your headers so Safari & Firefox don't pick it up and the RSS is only for the most recent posts across the whole forum with no option to subscribe to individual threads or boards. - Search Engine Friendly URL's, it can be debated whether they are effective or not but they have to exist for some reason and it is easy to support them. - Better support for handheld devices, I do a lot of checking and replying to of posts on the go on my Treo and at the moment on Typoforums.com that experience is frustrating at best. - Some sort of guarantee that once the site becomes popular then hosting isn't going to be a concern, I would hate it for the forums to be offline due to a web host shutting the site down due to excessive resource usage. These are all oddly enough things that we thought of when implementing typoforums.org but like I said I'm not interested in fighting in a my site is better than yours type fight and would rather just take a step back if need be. I came to Typo after being frustrated with the politics within the development & support of Wordpress so I want this to be a new & fresh experience. Regards, -- Jason Bainbridge An Aussie geek stuck in Texas - http://jasonbainbridge.com Advertisement free blogs for those affected by emergency situations - http://911blogs.com From jbainbridge at gmail.com Thu Dec 8 01:27:57 2005 From: jbainbridge at gmail.com (Jason Bainbridge) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 00:27:57 -0600 Subject: [typo] Typo Forums Now Available! (Moderators wanted!) In-Reply-To: <78E78B52-EE82-4E53-8FF8-B4FDDA60CBC3@freedomdumlao.com> References: <3FC881F3-4AEF-41BE-9B1C-A282B915BE6C@freedomdumlao.com> <7640EC64-A1ED-4AA2-B9B5-694D765C3164@freedomdumlao.com> <53f0709b0512060022x33888ecbg4c1a0ddeb68a030e@mail.gmail.com> <939e27410512071847s33e9ab0en269dd8341c678c63@mail.gmail.com> <7E61A71C-9996-4EB5-ACFB-B36B7BD24DD3@freedomdumlao.com> <1a9e786f0512072146u29a92b1j149c6ccac18327c2@mail.gmail.com> <939e27410512072153v268e62eetb44fe2fb8888d3b0@mail.gmail.com> <4397C741.60606@izilla.com.au> <78E78B52-EE82-4E53-8FF8-B4FDDA60CBC3@freedomdumlao.com> Message-ID: On 12/8/05, Freedom Dumlao wrote: > For example, after my long discussion with Victor, and after several > comments having been made by folks on the mailing list, I wanted to > be sure that I would be able to link the mailing list with the forum. > This feature has been implemented and is being tested as I type this > text (we'll know it works if it shows up on the forums!). Does everyone really want all user support questions showing up in the mailing list though? I strongly believe the mailing list and forums cater to different audiences and as such should be kept separate. If the mailing list needs a better archive then why not get it added at MARC or Gmane? Regards, -- Jason Bainbridge An Aussie geek stuck in Texas - http://jasonbainbridge.com Advertisement free blogs for those affected by emergency situations - http://911blogs.com From freedom at freedomdumlao.com Thu Dec 8 01:50:51 2005 From: freedom at freedomdumlao.com (Freedom Dumlao) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 01:50:51 -0500 Subject: [typo] Typo Forums Now Available! (Moderators wanted!) In-Reply-To: References: <3FC881F3-4AEF-41BE-9B1C-A282B915BE6C@freedomdumlao.com> <7A3FCC0C-4755-4D74-BE4B-2745A0499B82@mac.com> <7640EC64-A1ED-4AA2-B9B5-694D765C3164@freedomdumlao.com> <53f0709b0512060022x33888ecbg4c1a0ddeb68a030e@mail.gmail.com> <939e27410512071847s33e9ab0en269dd8341c678c63@mail.gmail.com> <7E61A71C-9996-4EB5-ACFB-B36B7BD24DD3@freedomdumlao.com> Message-ID: <6E8DFE0A-F762-43CB-825A-63785A7B54FF@freedomdumlao.com> > - For it to cater just to end user support and third party developers, > it was determined on list that the developers weren't interested in > using forums and would stick to the mailing list so why have boards > for it? Also Typo announcements belong on the main Typo website. I agree. The primary focus should be these groups. Perhaps I need better wording in my forum. The announcements are more for forum announcements then they are for typo. > > - The use of phpBB also doesn't sit well with me, it just doesn't seem > fitting for a modern open source project to use phpBB. I had difficulty choosing this piece of "bloatware" myself, but was unable to find another solution that was ready to provide some of the features I desired. Perhaps we can find a board that will have these features and not the drawbacks? > > - Remove the Solutions! board and keep solved problems in their > respective boards as if someone is having problems installing Typo > then they are going to look in Installation Issues and not Solutions You are right. This change will be made. > > - Give the community time to move in and for the dust to settle before > throwing posting competitions (I actually think such competitions are > tacky anyway). Like why do you need a competition to attract visitors > anyway? It is a support forum, users will come to you. :) Consider it postponed. > > - Better RSS support, at the moment there is no alternate > application/rss+xml link in your headers so Safari & Firefox don't > pick it up and the RSS is only for the most recent posts across the > whole forum with no option to subscribe to individual threads or > boards. I agree here as well, the RSS feature is fairly weak currently. I would like to see per forum, per thread feeds here. > > - Search Engine Friendly URL's, it can be debated whether they are > effective or not but they have to exist for some reason and it is easy > to support them. This is something that I think another system might better manage than phpBB. > > - Better support for handheld devices, I do a lot of checking and > replying to of posts on the go on my Treo and at the moment on > Typoforums.com that experience is frustrating at best. At present there is a theme installed that a user can select called phpBBlite. Once registered you may select this as a theme. It should be lightweight enough to use in handheld devices. > > - Some sort of guarantee that once the site becomes popular then > hosting isn't going to be a concern, I would hate it for the forums to > be offline due to a web host shutting the site down due to excessive > resource usage. Fortunately, I am the hosting provider for this server. I have been selling web hosting for 3 years now and have had very little downtime. Of course, I am only a reseller, but I have an excellent relationship with the primary provider, Site5. I also know that this company is a major supporter of Typo, and I doubt they would pull the plug on Typo's support forums. Just in case though, they have my credit card to automatically charge me if I begin to use more bandwidth than I need. > These are all oddly enough things that we thought of when implementing > typoforums.org but like I said I'm not interested in fighting in a my > site is better than yours type fight and would rather just take a step > back if need be. I came to Typo after being frustrated with the > politics within the development & support of Wordpress so I want this > to be a new & fresh experience. Perhaps instead you and I could work together on this project? Its obvious that you care about it as much as I do, and I really do appreciate the suggestions you have already made. I hope you did not get the wrong idea and think I wanted some kind of .org vs .com flame war. My motives are purely to provide access to support for those who are seeking it. The reason I did not withdraw my site plans when you announced yours, was that I have seen people in the past make these kinds of promises, only to fall short. Ultimately, between the 2 of us we own all 3 of the primary TLDs for typoforums, and I think we should make a go of some kind of combined effort. Freedom From freedom at freedomdumlao.com Thu Dec 8 01:53:19 2005 From: freedom at freedomdumlao.com (Freedom Dumlao) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 01:53:19 -0500 Subject: [typo] Typo Forums Now Available! (Moderators wanted!) In-Reply-To: References: <3FC881F3-4AEF-41BE-9B1C-A282B915BE6C@freedomdumlao.com> <7640EC64-A1ED-4AA2-B9B5-694D765C3164@freedomdumlao.com> <53f0709b0512060022x33888ecbg4c1a0ddeb68a030e@mail.gmail.com> <939e27410512071847s33e9ab0en269dd8341c678c63@mail.gmail.com> <7E61A71C-9996-4EB5-ACFB-B36B7BD24DD3@freedomdumlao.com> <1a9e786f0512072146u29a92b1j149c6ccac18327c2@mail.gmail.com> <939e27410512072153v268e62eetb44fe2fb8888d3b0@mail.gmail.com> <4397C741.60606@izilla.com.au> <78E78B52-EE82-4E53-8FF8-B4FDDA60CBC3@freedomdumlao.com> Message-ID: > Does everyone really want all user support questions showing up in the > mailing list though? I strongly believe the mailing list and forums > cater to different audiences and as such should be kept separate. I understand the concern here, and I want you to know that this is not how the system works. There is one forum that is a "mailing list" forum. It is clearly marked as such, and serves mostly as a searchable archive of the mailing list discussions. Support requests should not end up on the mailing list, unless someone specifically wants to ask a question to the mailing list. From freedom at freedomdumlao.com Thu Dec 8 01:57:23 2005 From: freedom at freedomdumlao.com (Freedom Dumlao) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 01:57:23 -0500 Subject: [typo] Typo Forums Now Available! (Moderators wanted!) In-Reply-To: References: <3FC881F3-4AEF-41BE-9B1C-A282B915BE6C@freedomdumlao.com> <7640EC64-A1ED-4AA2-B9B5-694D765C3164@freedomdumlao.com> <53f0709b0512060022x33888ecbg4c1a0ddeb68a030e@mail.gmail.com> <939e27410512071847s33e9ab0en269dd8341c678c63@mail.gmail.com> <7E61A71C-9996-4EB5-ACFB-B36B7BD24DD3@freedomdumlao.com> <1a9e786f0512072146u29a92b1j149c6ccac18327c2@mail.gmail.com> <939e27410512072153v268e62eetb44fe2fb8888d3b0@mail.gmail.com> <4397C741.60606@izilla.com.au> <78E78B52-EE82-4E53-8FF8-B4FDDA60CBC3@freedomdumlao.com> Message-ID: Actually, this seems to be working quite well now. has been tracking this thread. http://typoforums.com/fm/viewtopic.php?t=7 > I understand the concern here, and I want you to know that this is > not how the system works. There is one forum that is a "mailing list" > forum. It is clearly marked as such, and serves mostly as a > searchable archive of the mailing list discussions. Support requests > should not end up on the mailing list, unless someone specifically > wants to ask a question to the mailing list. From freedom at freedomdumlao.com Thu Dec 8 02:01:16 2005 From: freedom at freedomdumlao.com (Freedom Dumlao) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 02:01:16 -0500 Subject: [typo] Typo Forums Contest! In-Reply-To: <62BDA254-9464-4FB7-BA36-5B7836937BF6@freedomdumlao.com> References: <62BDA254-9464-4FB7-BA36-5B7836937BF6@freedomdumlao.com> Message-ID: <61152943-3953-437E-B400-ADF311E89F28@freedomdumlao.com> The contest has been postponed until further notice. On Dec 5, 2005, at 11:42 PM, Freedom Dumlao wrote: > So now that the forums are active, and we are beginning to grow our > user base, I thought we would kick things off with a little contest > to get some helpful information into the forums here! > > So allow me to announce the first ever Typo Forums Contest! > > First we'll start with the prizes! > > The greatest number of quality how-to/tutorials posted: > > Two years of FREE Typo hosting! > 400 MB Storage > SSH shell access > Unlimited Emails > Unlimited Add-On domains > > > Greatest number of useful posts overall: > > One year of FREE Typo hosting! > 400 MB Storage > SSH shell access > Unlimited Emails > Unlimited Add-On domains > > > Best Post Overall > > A Digital Accessory Pack including: > Digital Camera Bag > Mini Tripod > Four pack of Rechargealbe AA Batteries > Battery Charger > > Courtesy of http://www.mdbattery.com > > > Honorable Mentions (3) > > Messenger Style Laptop Bag > Courtesy of http://www.mdbattery.com > > > Here are the rules: > > *Only quality posts will be counted for the purpose of this > contest. > *Making junk posts to intentionally boost your chances will > result in disqualification. > *Maximum one prize per registered user. > *All posts must be made by Friday December 9th, 2005 11:59pm > EST. > *Judges decisions are final. > > So come on everyone, and let's see your best Typo articles, how-tos, > tutorials, and lets hear your toughest Typo questions, problems, and > solutions! > > The contest begins.... NOW! > > The Typo Forums can be found at: http://www.typoforums.com > > (Thank you to our sponsors, http://www.mdbattery.com and http:// > www.mambopanda.com) > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list From dusty.jewett at gmail.com Thu Dec 8 02:19:54 2005 From: dusty.jewett at gmail.com (Dusty Jewett) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 23:19:54 -0800 Subject: [typo] Typo Forums Now Available! (Moderators wanted!) In-Reply-To: <6E8DFE0A-F762-43CB-825A-63785A7B54FF@freedomdumlao.com> References: <3FC881F3-4AEF-41BE-9B1C-A282B915BE6C@freedomdumlao.com> <7A3FCC0C-4755-4D74-BE4B-2745A0499B82@mac.com> <7640EC64-A1ED-4AA2-B9B5-694D765C3164@freedomdumlao.com> <53f0709b0512060022x33888ecbg4c1a0ddeb68a030e@mail.gmail.com> <939e27410512071847s33e9ab0en269dd8341c678c63@mail.gmail.com> <7E61A71C-9996-4EB5-ACFB-B36B7BD24DD3@freedomdumlao.com> <6E8DFE0A-F762-43CB-825A-63785A7B54FF@freedomdumlao.com> Message-ID: <939e27410512072319r6a05db4bie3d4d9d167631a0b@mail.gmail.com> > > > > - The use of phpBB also doesn't sit well with me, it just doesn't seem > > fitting for a modern open source project to use phpBB. > > I had difficulty choosing this piece of "bloatware" myself, but was > unable to find another solution that was ready to provide some of the > features I desired. Perhaps we can find a board that will have these > features and not the drawbacks? > What are the drawbacks of SMF, which was set up on Jason's site? aesthetically, I found SMF to be much easier to look at than any phpBB theme I've seen, however I don't recall using a site with SMF, so I'm not sure what it's like practically. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/typo-list/attachments/20051207/9979d331/attachment.htm From paulrbrown at gmail.com Thu Dec 8 02:24:32 2005 From: paulrbrown at gmail.com (Paul Brown) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 23:24:32 -0800 Subject: [typo] Typo Forums Now Available! (Moderators wanted!) In-Reply-To: <939e27410512072319r6a05db4bie3d4d9d167631a0b@mail.gmail.com> References: <3FC881F3-4AEF-41BE-9B1C-A282B915BE6C@freedomdumlao.com> <7640EC64-A1ED-4AA2-B9B5-694D765C3164@freedomdumlao.com> <53f0709b0512060022x33888ecbg4c1a0ddeb68a030e@mail.gmail.com> <939e27410512071847s33e9ab0en269dd8341c678c63@mail.gmail.com> <7E61A71C-9996-4EB5-ACFB-B36B7BD24DD3@freedomdumlao.com> <6E8DFE0A-F762-43CB-825A-63785A7B54FF@freedomdumlao.com> <939e27410512072319r6a05db4bie3d4d9d167631a0b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4249453d0512072324u5ee8a8caw63eb23d875745ea6@mail.gmail.com> > What are the drawbacks of SMF, which was set up on Jason's site? PHPbb is butt ugly, but SMF lacks RSS/Atom. The lack of feeds is a non-starter for me as a user. -- Paul From kvanderauwera at gmail.com Thu Dec 8 03:17:10 2005 From: kvanderauwera at gmail.com (Koen Van der Auwera) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 09:17:10 +0100 Subject: [typo] Feeds In-Reply-To: <125c0c0d0512071510oa179e9bv62da7497075f3e04@mail.gmail.com> References: <53f0709b0512070500p62b3da24y8ef8b7a5e44900db@mail.gmail.com> <200512080824.02891.trejkaz@trypticon.org> <125c0c0d0512071510oa179e9bv62da7497075f3e04@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <53f0709b0512080017w7807711co7c7e34fbda477f8e@mail.gmail.com> Yep, that's correct, the guid in my feed switches between http://atog.be/blabla and http://www.atog.be/blabla So basically if I make sure everyone uses the same feed-url everything should be fine (for now) On 12/8/05, Peter Donald wrote: > Hi, > > On 12/8/05, Trejkaz wrote: > > > > When using an aggregator, everytime I post a new article, all the > > > > articles in my feed appear to be new, although they're not. > > > > > > > > This is pretty annoying since one reader says he's getiting all my > > > > posts 2 or 3 times. > > > > > > > > Any ideas? Anyone else noticed this? > > > > > > > > (I'm running 2.6.0 - stable) > > > > > > Which feed reader are they using? > > > > I see this in Akregator and Thunderbird also. Thunderbird has a long-standing > > bug with doing this to many sites so I didn't think much of it, but I admit > > that it's odd to see it happen in Akregator. > > I get his on occasion due to the way that the feeds generate the urls > for each entry. Sometimes they will generate using the ip address and > sometimes with the host name so a url for a feed may alternate between > > http://www.realityforge.org/articles/2005/12/02/validations-for-non-activerecord-model-objects > > and > > > http://131.172.40.169/articles/2005/12/02/validations-for-non-activerecord-model-objects > > I have been meaning to go in and fix that by supplying host but > haven't got around to it ;) Not sure if that helps. > > -- > Cheers, > > Peter Donald > > Blog: http://www.RealityForge.org > > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > -- Koen. From gpsnospam at gmail.com Thu Dec 8 04:30:28 2005 From: gpsnospam at gmail.com (Gary Shewan) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 09:30:28 +0000 Subject: [typo] Typo Forums Now Available! (Moderators wanted!) In-Reply-To: <4249453d0512072324u5ee8a8caw63eb23d875745ea6@mail.gmail.com> References: <3FC881F3-4AEF-41BE-9B1C-A282B915BE6C@freedomdumlao.com> <7640EC64-A1ED-4AA2-B9B5-694D765C3164@freedomdumlao.com> <53f0709b0512060022x33888ecbg4c1a0ddeb68a030e@mail.gmail.com> <939e27410512071847s33e9ab0en269dd8341c678c63@mail.gmail.com> <7E61A71C-9996-4EB5-ACFB-B36B7BD24DD3@freedomdumlao.com> <6E8DFE0A-F762-43CB-825A-63785A7B54FF@freedomdumlao.com> <939e27410512072319r6a05db4bie3d4d9d167631a0b@mail.gmail.com> <4249453d0512072324u5ee8a8caw63eb23d875745ea6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4FABAC34-722C-4123-98C8-628171E70283@gmail.com> Sorry to be blunt lads, but for gods sake go take this discussion to one of your forums, it's just noise that some of us just aren't interested in. Gary From pdcawley at bofh.org.uk Thu Dec 8 13:29:59 2005 From: pdcawley at bofh.org.uk (Piers Cawley) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 18:29:59 +0000 Subject: [typo] Migrate error in latest version In-Reply-To: <939e27410512072150i3b2b8105ha242506335ccdc20@mail.gmail.com> (Dusty Jewett's message of "Wed, 7 Dec 2005 21:50:41 -0800") References: <125c0c0d0512042301t7591ad75x2ac08099c8b13c9d@mail.gmail.com> <4393EE2B.5050901@realityforge.org> <939e27410512070354g25d2131ftee092ef67c11b968@mail.gmail.com> <125c0c0d0512070422p6dd05337v41d28b40ae95f115@mail.gmail.com> <939e27410512071619r52400653g4d10403c3589338f@mail.gmail.com> <1DB443FC-7262-4568-84F1-14A6A455AF25@sigkill.org> <939e27410512071718r9442bdcnc803a5b721ab12af@mail.gmail.com> <939e27410512071813y45c6c298vbfef5825770c8eb5@mail.gmail.com> <939e27410512072150i3b2b8105ha242506335ccdc20@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Dusty Jewett writes: > ok, here's what I've got... > original install: 2.6... > decided to jump to latest, rm -R'd all of the old code, svn'd in the newest > code (as in the example previously), svn'd the latest rails, and I get this > error when attempting to migrate. Is this a typo or rails error? That was a temporary typo error caused by an idiot who forgot to add some files to his patch. I know he's an idiot 'cos I see him in the mirror every day. The upgrade from 2.6.0 is currently not as smooth as it could be though because the changes to schema version 33 make things break (and the usual trick for working around it won't work here...) You should be able to work around it for now by doing it in two stages. First check out revision 757 (just add -r 767 to your checkout line) and go to the admin interface to upgrade the database. Then do 'svn up -r HEAD' and run the rest of the migration. I've got other commitments today so I can't make a patch to fix things, but I'll get on it as soon as I can. -- Piers Cawley http://www.bofh.org.uk/ From ernieoporto at gmail.com Thu Dec 8 21:05:56 2005 From: ernieoporto at gmail.com (Ernie Oporto) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 21:05:56 -0500 Subject: [typo] Feeds In-Reply-To: <422b9b380512071027x7069b34dy6cb7b0ec7f747d88@mail.gmail.com> References: <53f0709b0512070500p62b3da24y8ef8b7a5e44900db@mail.gmail.com> <53f0709b0512070650v1607b212s9557ecf0331e7f93@mail.gmail.com> <3c7afabe0512070952l6632313ax7f036a6a48298ac4@mail.gmail.com> <8F8B9CD3-490D-4011-8EC6-3FCB6C7DECC4@sigkill.org> <422b9b380512071027x7069b34dy6cb7b0ec7f747d88@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Kellan, I've seen it a lot on Laughing Meme using Feed On Feeds 0.19 using magpie 0.72. On 12/7/05, kellan wrote: > > > I'm getting reports against http://laughingmeme.org/index.rdf which is > managed by FeedBurner, and in turns points to > laughingmeme.org/xml/rss/feed.xml > > -kellan > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/typo-list/attachments/20051208/54ad2e10/attachment.htm From mbjones at ou.edu Thu Dec 8 23:42:05 2005 From: mbjones at ou.edu (Brandon Jones) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 22:42:05 -0600 Subject: [typo] Limit Tag Size Message-ID: <3AC93408-EB84-4DBD-BD4C-DC78212378B1@ou.edu> When using a tag cloud, does anyone have a good means of limiting the max/min font-size of a tag? I'm thinking of going into the view and adding a conditional (if font-size > than x then font-size = x). Is this the best way? Brandon From scott at sigkill.org Thu Dec 8 23:46:37 2005 From: scott at sigkill.org (Scott Laird) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 20:46:37 -0800 Subject: [typo] Limit Tag Size In-Reply-To: <3AC93408-EB84-4DBD-BD4C-DC78212378B1@ou.edu> References: <3AC93408-EB84-4DBD-BD4C-DC78212378B1@ou.edu> Message-ID: <32BE7BEF-54AF-4B1A-9C22-BC595CCA396E@sigkill.org> There's half of a patch in trac. I'd love to see a full patch. Scott On Dec 8, 2005, at 8:42 PM, Brandon Jones wrote: > When using a tag cloud, does anyone have a good means of limiting the > max/min font-size of a tag? I'm thinking of going into the view and > adding a conditional (if font-size > than x then font-size = x). Is > this the best way? > > Brandon > > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list From ernieoporto at gmail.com Fri Dec 9 09:47:26 2005 From: ernieoporto at gmail.com (Ernie Oporto) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 09:47:26 -0500 Subject: [typo] Typo failed to start properly after rails update Message-ID: After doing a "gem install rails --include-dependencies" and then "rake update_javascripts", I am getting Typo failed to start properly. I get a FastCGI message in the Apache error log: [Fri Dec 9 09:09:17 2005] [error] [client 24.149.167.195] FastCGI: incomplete headers (35 bytes) received from server "/path/shokk/blog/public/dispatch.fcgi" This is my setup from a new project I set up. Are there any obvious incompatibilities? Restarting Apache gets things working again, but only for a little while. Has anyone else made the same move? Is there something I'm missing, or *gulp* should I not have done this? [root at chewbacca shokk]# rails joe [root at chewbacca shokk]# cd joe [root at chewbacca joe]# script/about About your application's environment Ruby version 1.8.3 (i686-linux) RubyGems version 0.8.11 Rails version 0.14.4 Active Record version 1.13.1 Action Pack version 1.11.1 Action Web Service version 0.9.4 Action Mailer version 1.1.4 Active Support version 1.2.4 Application root /path/shokk/joe Environment development Database adapter mysql -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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What happens when you run script/server? /Jeff From mail at paulhart.ca Fri Dec 9 13:05:19 2005 From: mail at paulhart.ca (Paul Hart) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 13:05:19 -0500 Subject: [typo] Postgres Issue with Migrate BoolifyContentAllowFoo Message-ID: <4399C75F.9050808@paulhart.ca> Hi all, I'm running Typo-current with the latest Rails release (RC4 I guess!) and a PostgreSQL 8.0.3. During the migrate 35, there is a problem with the update query; the message in the logfile is: ActiveRecord::StatementInvalid (PGError: ERROR: column "allow_comments" is of type boolean but expression is of type integer HINT: You will need to rewrite or cast the expression. The start of the query is: UPDATE contents SET "keywords" = '', "created_at" = '2005-11-29 19:15:00', "allow_comments" = 1, "extended" = 'There [...]' Suggestions? :) Thanks, Paul From pdcawley at bofh.org.uk Fri Dec 9 14:10:31 2005 From: pdcawley at bofh.org.uk (Piers Cawley) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 19:10:31 +0000 Subject: [typo] Postgres Issue with Migrate BoolifyContentAllowFoo In-Reply-To: <4399C75F.9050808@paulhart.ca> (Paul Hart's message of "Fri, 09 Dec 2005 13:05:19 -0500") References: <4399C75F.9050808@paulhart.ca> Message-ID: Paul Hart writes: > Hi all, > > I'm running Typo-current with the latest Rails release (RC4 I guess!) > and a PostgreSQL 8.0.3. > > During the migrate 35, there is a problem with the update query; the > message in the logfile is: > > ActiveRecord::StatementInvalid (PGError: ERROR: column "allow_comments" > is of type boolean but expression is of type integer > HINT: You will need to rewrite or cast the expression. > > The start of the query is: > > UPDATE contents SET "keywords" = '', "created_at" = '2005-11-29 > 19:15:00', "allow_comments" = 1, "extended" = 'There [...]' > > Suggestions? :) I presume it was you I was chatting with on channel today? If so, I have to say I'm stumped. We walked through all the steps that the boolification process takes in from an :integer type column to a :boolean column and everthing seemed to work. So, I'm slightly puzzled. If anyone else is thinking of upgrading postgres to HEAD, I'd really appreciate it if you could pop up on IRC before you make the shift and see if I'm around (pdcawley). If not, I'd suggest just doing $ svn up -r 789 Which is the last migration before I started boolifying stuff. Boolification doesn't buy any new features, yet, it just makes the code slightly more habitable for us programmers. Well, that's the theory. -- Piers Cawley http://www.bofh.org.uk/ From packagethief at gmail.com Fri Dec 9 14:15:24 2005 From: packagethief at gmail.com (Jeffrey Allan Hardy) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 14:15:24 -0500 Subject: [typo] Postgres Issue with Migrate BoolifyContentAllowFoo In-Reply-To: <4399C75F.9050808@paulhart.ca> References: <4399C75F.9050808@paulhart.ca> Message-ID: <4399D7CC.30306@gmail.com> Paul Hart wrote: > I'm running Typo-current with the latest Rails release (RC4 I guess!) > and a PostgreSQL 8.0.3. > > During the migrate 35, there is a problem with the update query; the > message in the logfile is: > > ActiveRecord::StatementInvalid (PGError: ERROR: column "allow_comments" > is of type boolean but expression is of type integer > HINT: You will need to rewrite or cast the expression. > > The start of the query is: > > UPDATE contents SET "keywords" = '', "created_at" = '2005-11-29 > 19:15:00', "allow_comments" = 1, "extended" = 'There [...]' > > Suggestions? :) It seems that PostgreSQL likes its boolean values as literals, but allow_comments being set as an integer. Looking in db/migrate/35_boolify_content_allow_foo, changing the call to update_attribute on line 16 so it converts the value arg to a string might work, but I didn't test it... c.update_attribute(fieldname, !res["oldval"].to_i.zero?.to_s) HTH /Jeff From ernieoporto at gmail.com Fri Dec 9 14:52:48 2005 From: ernieoporto at gmail.com (Ernie Oporto) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 14:52:48 -0500 Subject: [typo] Typo failed to start properly after rails update In-Reply-To: <4399C1E8.1050504@gmail.com> References: <4399C1E8.1050504@gmail.com> Message-ID: I was on 764. I've grabbed 791 and all looks good. We'll see how long it lasts. For reference, this is the error I saw in my logs for looking at an article entry. I haven't tested anything with script/server, but I've never had issues with it. Processing Base#permalink (for 24.149.167.195 at 2005-12-09 14:42:08) [GET] Parameters: {"month"=>"11", "title"=>"feed-on-feeds-0-1-9-search", "action"=>"permalink", "controller"=>"articles", "day"=>"01", "year"=>"2005"} NoMethodError (undefined method `[]' for nil:NilClass): /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activerecord-1.13.1/lib/active_record/connection_adapters/mysql_adapter.rb:322:in `connect' /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activerecord-1.13.1/lib/active_record/connection_adapters/mysql_adapter.rb:174:in `reconnect!' /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activerecord-1.13.1/lib/active_record/connection_adapters/abstract/connection_specification.rb:103:in `retrieve_connection' /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activerecord-1.13.1/lib/active_record/connection_adapters/abstract/connection_specification.rb:20:in `connection' /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionpack-1.11.1/lib/action_controller/benchmarking.rb:50:in `render' /app/controllers/articles_controller.rb:77:in `error' /app/controllers/articles_controller.rb:246:in `rescue_action_in_public' /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionpack-1.11.1/lib/action_controller/rescue.rb:33:in `rescue_action' /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionpack-1.11.1/lib/action_controller/rescue.rb:108:in `perform_action' /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionpack-1.11.1/lib/action_controller/base.rb:369:in `process_without_session_management_support' /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionpack-1.11.1/lib/action_controller/session_management.rb:116:in `process' /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/rails-0.14.4/lib/dispatcher.rb:38:in `dispatch' /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/rails-0.14.4/lib/fcgi_handler.rb:141:in `process_request' /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/rails-0.14.4/lib/fcgi_handler.rb:53:in `process!' /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fcgi-0.8.6.1/./fcgi.rb:600:in `each_cgi' /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fcgi-0.8.6.1/./fcgi.rb:597:in `each_cgi' /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/rails-0.14.4/lib/fcgi_handler.rb:52:in `process!' /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/rails-0.14.4/lib/fcgi_handler.rb:22:in `process!' /public/dispatch.fcgi:24 On 12/9/05, Jeffrey Allan Hardy wrote: > > Ernie Oporto wrote: > > After doing a "gem install rails --include-dependencies" and then "rake > > update_javascripts", I am getting > > Typo failed to start properly. > > What version of typo are you running? I'm using the trunk (R 791) and > updated to the latest Rails release last night without problems. > > Is the problem only with fcgi? What happens when you run script/server? > > /Jeff > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/typo-list/attachments/20051209/6ec29648/attachment.htm From pdcawley at bofh.org.uk Fri Dec 9 14:56:11 2005 From: pdcawley at bofh.org.uk (Piers Cawley) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 19:56:11 +0000 Subject: [typo] Typo failed to start properly after rails update In-Reply-To: (Ernie Oporto's message of "Fri, 9 Dec 2005 14:52:48 -0500") References: <4399C1E8.1050504@gmail.com> Message-ID: Ernie Oporto writes: > I was on 764. I've grabbed 791 and all looks good. We'll see how long it > lasts. For reference, this is the error I saw in my logs for looking at an > article entry. I haven't tested anything with script/server, but I've never > had issues with it. > > Processing Base#permalink (for 24.149.167.195 at 2005-12-09 14:42:08) [GET] > Parameters: {"month"=>"11", "title"=>"feed-on-feeds-0-1-9-search", > "action"=>"permalink", "controller"=>"articles", "day"=>"01", > "year"=>"2005"} This was how it broke at 764? Or a random error that's cropped up since? If it's a 764 issue then I'm not to worried about it, given that it's working now. -- Piers Cawley http://www.bofh.org.uk/ From mail at paulhart.ca Fri Dec 9 14:58:14 2005 From: mail at paulhart.ca (Paul Hart) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 14:58:14 -0500 Subject: [typo] Postgres Issue with Migrate BoolifyContentAllowFoo Message-ID: <4399E1D6.1060403@paulhart.ca> Jeffrey, Piers, Thanks for your help so far. I'm on the digest version of the mailing list, so I'll respond to both of you in turn. Piers: I might roll back to 739, but I'd prefer to have this fixed (and do what I can, if anything, to help). I haven't been on IRC in years, so I guess the person you were chatting with wasn't me! :) Jeffrey, I modified the code as you suggested in your mail. That fixed the issue with the allow_comments, but now it's hanging up on allow_pings. I find that weird, because it appears (to my rails-newbie-ish eyes) that the migrate script should be doing both allow_comments and allow_pings. I'm guessing that by doing the two separately postgres is happy about the one fix, but whiney about the second not being there yet? My rails UPDATE statment always seems to include all the columns regardless of which ones have changed, and that would be an issue given this method of solution. In a way it's halfway there; in another it isn't really ;) Paul From ernieoporto at gmail.com Fri Dec 9 15:02:08 2005 From: ernieoporto at gmail.com (Ernie Oporto) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 15:02:08 -0500 Subject: [typo] Typo failed to start properly after rails update In-Reply-To: References: <4399C1E8.1050504@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes, that error was in 764. Nothing bad in 791 as far as I can see. I'm getting clicky all over it right now and it's serving all sorts of pages. Yay. =) Ernie On 12/9/05, Piers Cawley wrote: > > Ernie Oporto writes: > > > I was on 764. I've grabbed 791 and all looks good. We'll see how long > it > > lasts. For reference, this is the error I saw in my logs for looking at > an > > article entry. I haven't tested anything with script/server, but I've > never > > had issues with it. > > > > Processing Base#permalink (for 24.149.167.195 at 2005-12-09 14:42:08) > [GET] > > Parameters: {"month"=>"11", "title"=>"feed-on-feeds-0-1-9-search", > > "action"=>"permalink", "controller"=>"articles", "day"=>"01", > > "year"=>"2005"} > > This was how it broke at 764? Or a random error that's cropped up > since? If it's a 764 issue then I'm not to worried about it, given > that it's working now. > -- > Piers Cawley > http://www.bofh.org.uk/ > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/typo-list/attachments/20051209/ec64003b/attachment.htm From pdcawley at bofh.org.uk Fri Dec 9 15:02:31 2005 From: pdcawley at bofh.org.uk (Piers Cawley) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 20:02:31 +0000 Subject: [typo] Postgres Issue with Migrate BoolifyContentAllowFoo In-Reply-To: <4399E1D6.1060403@paulhart.ca> (Paul Hart's message of "Fri, 09 Dec 2005 14:58:14 -0500") References: <4399E1D6.1060403@paulhart.ca> Message-ID: Paul Hart writes: > Jeffrey, Piers, > > Thanks for your help so far. I'm on the digest version of the mailing > list, so I'll respond to both of you in turn. > > Piers: I might roll back to 739, but I'd prefer to have this fixed (and > do what I can, if anything, to help). I haven't been on IRC in years, so > I guess the person you were chatting with wasn't me! :) > > Jeffrey, I modified the code as you suggested in your mail. That fixed > the issue with the allow_comments, but now it's hanging up on > allow_pings. I find that weird, because it appears (to my > rails-newbie-ish eyes) that the migrate script should be doing both > allow_comments and allow_pings. > > I'm guessing that by doing the two separately postgres is happy about > the one fix, but whiney about the second not being there yet? My rails > UPDATE statment always seems to include all the columns regardless of > which ones have changed, and that would be an issue given this method of > solution. Yes! Thanks. Obvious when you point it out. New patch coming up. -- Piers Cawley http://www.bofh.org.uk/ From pdcawley at bofh.org.uk Fri Dec 9 15:27:43 2005 From: pdcawley at bofh.org.uk (Piers Cawley) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 20:27:43 +0000 Subject: [typo] Postgres Issue with Migrate BoolifyContentAllowFoo In-Reply-To: (Piers Cawley's message of "Fri, 09 Dec 2005 20:02:31 +0000") References: <4399E1D6.1060403@paulhart.ca> Message-ID: Piers Cawley writes: > Paul Hart writes: > >> Jeffrey, Piers, >> >> Thanks for your help so far. I'm on the digest version of the mailing >> list, so I'll respond to both of you in turn. >> >> Piers: I might roll back to 739, but I'd prefer to have this fixed (and >> do what I can, if anything, to help). I haven't been on IRC in years, so >> I guess the person you were chatting with wasn't me! :) >> >> Jeffrey, I modified the code as you suggested in your mail. That fixed >> the issue with the allow_comments, but now it's hanging up on >> allow_pings. I find that weird, because it appears (to my >> rails-newbie-ish eyes) that the migrate script should be doing both >> allow_comments and allow_pings. >> >> I'm guessing that by doing the two separately postgres is happy about >> the one fix, but whiney about the second not being there yet? My rails >> UPDATE statment always seems to include all the columns regardless of >> which ones have changed, and that would be an issue given this method of >> solution. > > Yes! Thanks. Obvious when you point it out. New patch coming up. But not as soon as I thought. It appears that Typo HEAD and rails 14.4 don't play well together. -- Piers Cawley http://www.bofh.org.uk/ From pdcawley at bofh.org.uk Fri Dec 9 15:49:25 2005 From: pdcawley at bofh.org.uk (Piers Cawley) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 20:49:25 +0000 Subject: [typo] Postgres Issue with Migrate BoolifyContentAllowFoo In-Reply-To: (Piers Cawley's message of "Fri, 09 Dec 2005 20:27:43 +0000") References: <4399E1D6.1060403@paulhart.ca> Message-ID: Piers Cawley writes: > Piers Cawley writes: >> Paul Hart writes: >>> I'm guessing that by doing the two separately postgres is happy about >>> the one fix, but whiney about the second not being there yet? My rails >>> UPDATE statment always seems to include all the columns regardless of >>> which ones have changed, and that would be an issue given this method of >>> solution. >> >> Yes! Thanks. Obvious when you point it out. New patch coming up. > > But not as soon as I thought. It appears that Typo HEAD and rails 14.4 > don't play well together. Right. The fix is in. -- Piers Cawley http://www.bofh.org.uk/ From ronald.green at gmail.com Sat Dec 10 00:25:45 2005 From: ronald.green at gmail.com (Ron Green) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 23:25:45 -0600 Subject: [typo] Upgrade to 792 Message-ID: <5d63856e0512092125k5608e744haa9ad54fe2b715b@mail.gmail.com> Tried to move to trunk 792 and i got the following error when I logged in to Admin and tried to migrate the DB from 34 to 35: Errno::EIO in Admin/general#migrate Input/output error RAILS_ROOT: home/rfg21735/domains/rfgreen.net/web/public/typo Application Trace <#> | Framework Trace <#> | Full Trace <#> ./home/xxxxx/domains/rfgreen.net/web/public/typo/db/migrate//35_boolify_content_allow_foo.rb:4:in `write' ./home/xxxxx/domains/rfgreen.net/web/public/typo/db/migrate//35_boolify_content_allow_foo.rb:4:in `puts' ./home/xxxxx/domains/rfgreen.net/web/public/typo/db/migrate//35_boolify_content_allow_foo.rb:4:in `up' #{RAILS_ROOT}/lib/migrator.rb:26:in `migrate' ./home/xxxxx/domains/rfgreen.net/web/public/typo/app/controllers/admin/general_controller.rb:17:in `migrate' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/typo-list/attachments/20051209/4b2d5ac1/attachment.htm From mail at paulhart.ca Sat Dec 10 12:05:51 2005 From: mail at paulhart.ca (Paul Hart) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 12:05:51 -0500 Subject: [typo] Postgres Issue with Migrate BoolifyContentAllowFoo Message-ID: <439B0AEF.8070305@paulhart.ca> Piers Cawley writes: > Right. The fix is in. Piers, I had to make one last change to the updated version of this migrate script; commenting out line 12. I got complaints of: NoMethodError (undefined method `fieldname' for #): when that line was in there. All working fine now though! :) Paul From arvind at grovernetwork.com Sat Dec 10 14:24:15 2005 From: arvind at grovernetwork.com (arvind s grover) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:24:15 -0500 Subject: [typo] broke admin/themes when removing theme directories Message-ID: <11D62FCC-9358-464F-912D-FAD6C09E278D@grovernetwork.com> I was trying to add some more themes, somehow messed up the themes admin section. From the admin page, when I click on the "Themes" tab at the top, you get a page that says: "Application error (Rails)" in large letters. this is the error showing up in production.log: ActionView::TemplateError (No such file or directory - ./../ config/..//themes/__MACOSX/about.markdown) on line #4 of app/views/ admin/themes/index.rhtml: It seems to be have created a __MACOSX folder inside the themes folder. Is this because I am uploading using a Mac OSX ftp program to upload theme files? If I copy the about.markdown file from /typo-2.6/themes/azure/ to / typo-2.6/themes/__MACOSX/ then you can access the themes page, but there is a non-functioning theme appearing, ,titled __MACOSX. I am not sure the correct way to resolve this. Any help would be much appreciated. From corey.donohoe at gmail.com Sat Dec 10 14:50:34 2005 From: corey.donohoe at gmail.com (Corey Donohoe) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:50:34 -0500 Subject: [typo] broke admin/themes when removing theme directories In-Reply-To: <11D62FCC-9358-464F-912D-FAD6C09E278D@grovernetwork.com> References: <11D62FCC-9358-464F-912D-FAD6C09E278D@grovernetwork.com> Message-ID: <1a9e786f0512101150n1516bccdpedeba828f00b77d6@mail.gmail.com> This is some sort of resource file left by the author(who probably developed it on osx) Just delete the __MACOSX directory, hit your admin interface, and you should be able to pick a working theme. On 12/10/05, arvind s grover wrote: > > I was trying to add some more themes, somehow messed up the themes > admin section. From the admin page, when I click on the "Themes" tab > at the top, you get a page that says: > "Application error (Rails)" in large letters. > > this is the error showing up in production.log: > ActionView::TemplateError (No such file or directory - ./../ > config/..//themes/__MACOSX/about.markdown) on line #4 of app/views/ > admin/themes/index.rhtml: > > It seems to be have created a __MACOSX folder inside the themes > folder. Is this because I am uploading using a Mac OSX ftp program to > upload theme files? > > If I copy the about.markdown file from /typo-2.6/themes/azure/ to / > typo-2.6/themes/__MACOSX/ then you can access the themes page, but > there is a non-functioning theme appearing, ,titled __MACOSX. I am > not sure the correct way to resolve this. > > Any help would be much appreciated. > > > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > -- Corey Donohoe http://www.atmos.org/ corey.donohoe at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/typo-list/attachments/20051210/92e35e0b/attachment.htm From adam.greenfield at site5.com Sat Dec 10 15:25:18 2005 From: adam.greenfield at site5.com (Adam C. Greenfield) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 15:25:18 -0500 Subject: [typo] Typo 2.6.0 tarball and release_2_6_0 tag don't match Message-ID: <8E2480AF-B222-4E03-962B-76F75FD59925@site5.com> I might be missing something obvious here, and if so please be gentle. I was trying to help someone in #typo earlier with an issue migrating from a previous version of typo to 2.6.0 When I download the 2.6.0 tarball from the site (url is http:// rubyforge.org/frs/download.php/7005/typo-2.6.0.tgz and md5 is 0f4168c7a4c70c968a52bdbc6fba581a) I only see migration scripts (in db/ migrate) up to number 9. However, when I look at the same directory under the release tag in trac (http://typo.leetsoft.com/trac/file/ tags/release_2_6_0/db/migrate/) I see migration script up to 24 I noticed the same thing in the 2.5.8 tarball from the site (url is http://rubyforge.org/frs/download.php/6949/typo-2.5.8.tgz and md5 is 7b9c39b08825d7ca3d45cb17932f6be1). It doesn't seem to match up to it's release tag either? (http://typo.leetsoft.com/trac/browser/tags/ release_2_5_8/). Again the tarball has the migration script up to 9, but the release tag has up to 24 I thought that maybe trac was displaying incorrect data - but if I pull down those tag releases from the subversion server, they appear to match what is being displayed in trac. I also noticed that if I compared the release_2_6_0 svn tag (that I just checked out) to the 2.6.0 release tarball, there are a number of other differences as well. I uploaded a full diff to http://www.adamgreenfield.com/files/ svn-to-tarball.diff I verified that no one has changed the DownloadStable page on the wiki since Scott posted 2.6.0 - and I also made sure that both of those download URLs point to file's in the typo rubyforge project (with the correct upload dates matching the releases) Am I missing something? -- Adam C. Greenfield Chief Technology Officer Site5 Internet Solutions, Inc. Phone: (888) 748-3526 x 906 E-Mail: adam.greenfield at site5.com From scott at sigkill.org Sat Dec 10 17:38:33 2005 From: scott at sigkill.org (Scott Laird) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:38:33 -0800 Subject: [typo] Typo 2.6.0 tarball and release_2_6_0 tag don't match In-Reply-To: <8E2480AF-B222-4E03-962B-76F75FD59925@site5.com> References: <8E2480AF-B222-4E03-962B-76F75FD59925@site5.com> Message-ID: <073AA3E6-5F2A-4FB0-ADB5-D76778517FF4@sigkill.org> Oops. It looks like the release script copies the SVN trunk, *not* the current directory. So the 2_6_0 tag is wrong. The current 2_5_x branch is the same as the 2.6.0 release, or look for r746 in SVN. Scott On Dec 10, 2005, at 12:25 PM, Adam C. Greenfield wrote: > I might be missing something obvious here, and if so please be > gentle. I was trying to help someone in #typo earlier with an issue > migrating from a previous version of typo to 2.6.0 > > When I download the 2.6.0 tarball from the site (url is http:// > rubyforge.org/frs/download.php/7005/typo-2.6.0.tgz and md5 is > 0f4168c7a4c70c968a52bdbc6fba581a) I only see migration scripts (in db/ > migrate) up to number 9. However, when I look at the same directory > under the release tag in trac (http://typo.leetsoft.com/trac/file/ > tags/release_2_6_0/db/migrate/) I see migration script up to 24 > > I noticed the same thing in the 2.5.8 tarball from the site (url is > http://rubyforge.org/frs/download.php/6949/typo-2.5.8.tgz and md5 is > 7b9c39b08825d7ca3d45cb17932f6be1). It doesn't seem to match up to > it's release tag either? (http://typo.leetsoft.com/trac/browser/tags/ > release_2_5_8/). Again the tarball has the migration script up to 9, > but the release tag has up to 24 > > I thought that maybe trac was displaying incorrect data - but if I > pull down those tag releases from the subversion server, they appear > to match what is being displayed in trac. I also noticed that if I > compared the release_2_6_0 svn tag (that I just checked out) to the > 2.6.0 release tarball, there are a number of other differences as > well. I uploaded a full diff to http://www.adamgreenfield.com/files/ > svn-to-tarball.diff > > I verified that no one has changed the DownloadStable page on the > wiki since Scott posted 2.6.0 - and I also made sure that both of > those download URLs point to file's in the typo rubyforge project > (with the correct upload dates matching the releases) > > Am I missing something? > > -- > Adam C. Greenfield > Chief Technology Officer > Site5 Internet Solutions, Inc. > Phone: (888) 748-3526 x 906 > E-Mail: adam.greenfield at site5.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list From usenet at andreas-s.net Sat Dec 10 20:18:16 2005 From: usenet at andreas-s.net (Andreas Schwarz) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 02:18:16 +0100 Subject: [typo] Typo Forums Now Available! (Moderators wanted!) In-Reply-To: References: <3FC881F3-4AEF-41BE-9B1C-A282B915BE6C@freedomdumlao.com> <7640EC64-A1ED-4AA2-B9B5-694D765C3164@freedomdumlao.com> <53f0709b0512060022x33888ecbg4c1a0ddeb68a030e@mail.gmail.com> <939e27410512071847s33e9ab0en269dd8341c678c63@mail.gmail.com> <7E61A71C-9996-4EB5-ACFB-B36B7BD24DD3@freedomdumlao.com> <1a9e786f0512072146u29a92b1j149c6ccac18327c2@mail.gmail.com> <939e27410512072153v268e62eetb44fe2fb8888d3b0@mail.gmail.com> <4397C741.60606@izilla.com.au> <78E78B52-EE82-4E53-8FF8-B4FDDA60CBC3@freedomdumlao.com> Message-ID: Jason Bainbridge wrote: > On 12/8/05, Freedom Dumlao wrote: > >>For example, after my long discussion with Victor, and after several >>comments having been made by folks on the mailing list, I wanted to >>be sure that I would be able to link the mailing list with the forum. >>This feature has been implemented and is being tested as I type this >>text (we'll know it works if it shows up on the forums!). > > > Does everyone really want all user support questions showing up in the > mailing list though? I strongly believe the mailing list and forums > cater to different audiences and as such should be kept separate. The only difference is that the entry threshold for the forum is lower. That means more noise, but it also means more people to discuss and answer questions. If you want a separation between developer and user discussions, create two forums/lists, but to keep developers in the mailing list and users in the forum seems somewhat arbitrary. Andreas (www.ruby-forum.com) From freedom at freedomdumlao.com Sat Dec 10 23:04:42 2005 From: freedom at freedomdumlao.com (Freedom Dumlao) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 23:04:42 -0500 Subject: [typo] Typo Forums United Message-ID: It's official! Jason and I would like to announce that the Typo forums have joined and are available at the domain http:// www.typoforums.org The primary goal of this site is to provide support for Typo users, freeing up the mailing list to be used for developer discussions. We'd like to invite all of you to come and join us at the site, and look forward to your comments and suggestions. We would also like to ask if it might make sense to link to the forums from the Typo website, in order to provide new users with easy access to support and the community. We thank all of you who supported this idea, and even if you didn't, you are still welcome at typoforums.org! -Freedom From gilgit at gmail.com Sat Dec 10 23:37:42 2005 From: gilgit at gmail.com (David Richardson) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 21:37:42 -0700 Subject: [typo] Hacking login Message-ID: <35ac07b90512102037m13dcc99ds2d40b5c13c877049@mail.gmail.com> I would like a private weblog for multiple users. Can anyone tell my why movingbefore_filter :login_required, :except => [ :login, :signup ]from the base controller to the application controller does not accomplish this? This certainly protects the site, but a successful login from the siteroot sends the user to the admin section. Unfortunately, attempts toview the content send the user back to the login screen. Note: It is necessary to disable caching for this to work at all -another indication that the current caching strategy is brittle and alittle too tightly coupled to individual aspects of the application. D.R. From luigi.rizzo at gmail.com Sun Dec 11 10:25:05 2005 From: luigi.rizzo at gmail.com (Luigi Rizzo) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 16:25:05 +0100 Subject: [typo] apache2/fastcgi/windowsXPsp2/typo and "FastCGI: incomplete headers (35 bytes) received from server" error Message-ID: <1c7fecb90512110725t24b17c5en46496de151ef2f34@mail.gmail.com> hello! the subject of this mail is driving me nuts :( i did a lot of googling and groups as well as lists. i get the infamous "header imcomplete ..." when running lthe latest typo release (2.6.0) the strange is that if i access the "typo.example.com/" url the system works perfectly (under fcgi) but as soon as i try to access the "typo.example.com/admin" url i get the "Application error. Typo cannot be reached" error. is someone on the list running **successfully** typo under the same stack of mine? (apache2/mysql4/windowsxp2/typo2.6.0) any giudance will be very much appreciated! thanks. From freedom at freedomdumlao.com Sun Dec 11 10:37:05 2005 From: freedom at freedomdumlao.com (Freedom Dumlao) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 10:37:05 -0500 Subject: [typo] apache2/fastcgi/windowsXPsp2/typo and "FastCGI: incomplete headers (35 bytes) received from server" error In-Reply-To: <1c7fecb90512110725t24b17c5en46496de151ef2f34@mail.gmail.com> References: <1c7fecb90512110725t24b17c5en46496de151ef2f34@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <22347A4F-8A9B-47D7-82C6-E626AA372C5B@freedomdumlao.com> what versions of rails and ruby are you running? On Dec 11, 2005, at 10:25 AM, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > hello! the subject of this mail is driving me nuts :( > i did a lot of googling and groups as well as lists. > i get the infamous "header imcomplete ..." when running lthe latest > typo release (2.6.0) > the strange is that if i access the "typo.example.com/" url the system > works perfectly (under fcgi) but as soon as i try to access the > "typo.example.com/admin" url i get the "Application error. Typo cannot > be reached" error. > is someone on the list running **successfully** typo under the same > stack of mine? (apache2/mysql4/windowsxp2/typo2.6.0) > any giudance will be very much appreciated! > thanks. > > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list From ol1barn3s at gmail.com Sun Dec 11 11:42:59 2005 From: ol1barn3s at gmail.com (Oliver Barnes) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 14:42:59 -0200 Subject: [typo] changing lucid's default colors Message-ID: <2650f8c00512110842l601e7786n@mail.gmail.com> hello, does anyone know how to change the lucid theme's default colors? i'd like to change it to Mint instead of Ruby... from what I understand, I'd have to make it load the .cs1 style instead of .cs0.. haven't found where I can set that yet though. thanks in advance, Oliver From ol1barn3s at gmail.com Sun Dec 11 11:53:59 2005 From: ol1barn3s at gmail.com (Oliver Barnes) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 14:53:59 -0200 Subject: [typo] audioscrobbler feed not showing up? Message-ID: <2650f8c00512110853v62f38617l@mail.gmail.com> hello, I have the latest typo trunk installed, and added the following feed to it feed://ws.audioscrobbler.com/1.0/user/digiberber/recenttracks.rss for some reason it's not showing up... I noticed the format in the sample feed address that shows up on the admin has "rdf" in it, but I couldn't find an equivalent in the audioscrobbler info... any pointers would be greatly appreciated - Oliver From luigi.rizzo at gmail.com Sun Dec 11 12:01:53 2005 From: luigi.rizzo at gmail.com (Luigi Rizzo) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 18:01:53 +0100 Subject: [typo] apache2/fastcgi/windowsXPsp2/typo and "FastCGI: incomplete headers (35 bytes) received from server" error In-Reply-To: <22347A4F-8A9B-47D7-82C6-E626AA372C5B@freedomdumlao.com> References: <1c7fecb90512110725t24b17c5en46496de151ef2f34@mail.gmail.com> <22347A4F-8A9B-47D7-82C6-E626AA372C5B@freedomdumlao.com> Message-ID: <1c7fecb90512110901y723bb6a1p7ee2cb953330922f@mail.gmail.com> (don't know if a previous message went through, so i resend it just in case ...) On 12/11/05, Freedom Dumlao wrote: > what versions of rails and ruby are you running? >"c:\ruby\bin\ruby.exe" "c:\ruby\bin\gem" list rails *** LOCAL GEMS *** rails (0.14.4, 0.14.2, 0.13.1) Web-application framework with template engine, control-flow layer, and ORM. >ruby --version ruby 1.8.2 (2004-12-25) [i386-mswin32] please note also that it works well under Webrick and has the same behavior (it works fine for the typo root but not for the admin directory) also using the "dispatch.cgi" (and not the fastcgi one). From jbainbridge at gmail.com Sun Dec 11 12:05:46 2005 From: jbainbridge at gmail.com (Jason Bainbridge) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 11:05:46 -0600 Subject: [typo] audioscrobbler feed not showing up? In-Reply-To: <2650f8c00512110853v62f38617l@mail.gmail.com> References: <2650f8c00512110853v62f38617l@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 12/11/05, Oliver Barnes wrote: > hello, > I have the latest typo trunk installed, and added the following feed to it > > feed://ws.audioscrobbler.com/1.0/user/digiberber/recenttracks.rss > > for some reason it's not showing up... I noticed the format in the > sample feed address that shows up on the admin has "rdf" in it, but I > couldn't find an equivalent in the audioscrobbler info... > > any pointers would be greatly appreciated Use: http://ws.audioscrobbler.com/rdf/history/digiberber -- Jason Bainbridge An Aussie geek stuck in Texas - http://jasonbainbridge.com Typo User Support Forums - http://typoforums.org From ol1barn3s at gmail.com Sun Dec 11 12:45:25 2005 From: ol1barn3s at gmail.com (Oliver Barnes) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 15:45:25 -0200 Subject: [typo] audioscrobbler feed not showing up? In-Reply-To: References: <2650f8c00512110853v62f38617l@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2650f8c00512110945v4afce4a8m@mail.gmail.com> thanks! 2005/12/11, Jason Bainbridge : > On 12/11/05, Oliver Barnes wrote: > > hello, > > I have the latest typo trunk installed, and added the following feed to it > > > > feed://ws.audioscrobbler.com/1.0/user/digiberber/recenttracks.rss > > > > for some reason it's not showing up... I noticed the format in the > > sample feed address that shows up on the admin has "rdf" in it, but I > > couldn't find an equivalent in the audioscrobbler info... > > > > any pointers would be greatly appreciated > > Use: > > http://ws.audioscrobbler.com/rdf/history/digiberber > > > -- > Jason Bainbridge > An Aussie geek stuck in Texas - http://jasonbainbridge.com > Typo User Support Forums - http://typoforums.org > > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > From scott at sigkill.org Sun Dec 11 13:05:55 2005 From: scott at sigkill.org (Scott Laird) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 10:05:55 -0800 Subject: [typo] apache2/fastcgi/windowsXPsp2/typo and "FastCGI: incomplete headers (35 bytes) received from server" error In-Reply-To: <1c7fecb90512110725t24b17c5en46496de151ef2f34@mail.gmail.com> References: <1c7fecb90512110725t24b17c5en46496de151ef2f34@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <02F19702-9F36-40F1-AAE7-D0B8DFA154CC@sigkill.org> On Dec 11, 2005, at 7:25 AM, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > hello! the subject of this mail is driving me nuts :( > i did a lot of googling and groups as well as lists. > i get the infamous "header imcomplete ..." when running lthe latest > typo release (2.6.0) > the strange is that if i access the "typo.example.com/" url the system > works perfectly (under fcgi) but as soon as i try to access the > "typo.example.com/admin" url i get the "Application error. Typo cannot > be reached" error. > is someone on the list running **successfully** typo under the same > stack of mine? (apache2/mysql4/windowsxp2/typo2.6.0) > any giudance will be very much appreciated! > thanks. Two things. First, sweep your cache (rake sweep_cache)--the "/ works while /admin doesn't" really just means that there's an entry for / in the page cache and Apache is serving it up without bothering to talk to Rails at all. Second, check your logs. Odds are either Apache's error log or Typo's logs will say something useful. If that fails, try running ./ public/dispatch.fcgi by hand from the commandline and see what happens--odds are it's giving some sort of error message and that's confusing Apache. Scott From adam.greenfield at site5.com Sun Dec 11 22:39:56 2005 From: adam.greenfield at site5.com (Adam C. Greenfield) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 22:39:56 -0500 Subject: [typo] Why does typo default to 'development' mode? Message-ID: I've seen a lot of people just leave typo running in development mode, and I think a much more user friendly choice would be to change environment.rb to default people to production. Most users will never need to run typo in development mode Thoughts? Opinions? -- Adam C. Greenfield Chief Technology Officer Site5 Internet Solutions, Inc. Phone: (888) 748-3526 x 906 E-Mail: adam.greenfield at site5.com From william.a at carrel.org Sun Dec 11 23:25:50 2005 From: william.a at carrel.org (William A. Carrel) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 20:25:50 -0800 Subject: [typo] Why does typo default to 'development' mode? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Dec 11, 2005, at 7:39 PM, Adam C. Greenfield wrote: > I've seen a lot of people just leave typo running in development > mode, and I think a much more user friendly choice would be to change > environment.rb to default people to production. > > Most users will never need to run typo in development mode > > Thoughts? Opinions? Development mode makes sense for folks running HEAD. It would also make sense to change the default to production for release versions. __ wac From trejkaz at trypticon.org Mon Dec 12 00:21:17 2005 From: trejkaz at trypticon.org (Trejkaz) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 16:21:17 +1100 (EST) Subject: [typo] Does script/migrate work? Message-ID: <2644.210.50.55.251.1134364877.squirrel@home.trypticon.org> This script/migrate script is pretty new so I know it's likely to have some wrinkles still, but is it supposed to do anything at the moment? It looks like it just quietly exits. Of course, I'm only looking around at the scripts because right now, my migration managed to get into a bad state. It's at version 34, but when I migrate using the web interface I get: Duplicate column name 'old_ap': ALTER TABLE contents CHANGE allow_pings old_ap tinyint(1) I get the feeling a migration somehow completed and there was no transaction around it, so I'm now somewhere between version 34 and 35, with no way to go back nor forward. :-/ TX From adam.greenfield at site5.com Mon Dec 12 00:53:08 2005 From: adam.greenfield at site5.com (Adam C. Greenfield) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 00:53:08 -0500 Subject: [typo] Why does typo default to 'development' mode? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <82EB36E6-1D04-4002-BAD5-41CF151B59EA@site5.com> On Dec 11, 2005, at 11:25 PM, William A. Carrel wrote: > > Development mode makes sense for folks running HEAD. It would also > make sense to change the default to production for release versions. > That sounds good to me - it is fair to assume the people running head should be able to properly set this themselves. People less experienced with rails applications are probably a lot for likely to run a release. -- Adam C. Greenfield Chief Technology Officer Site5 Internet Solutions, Inc. Phone: (888) 748-3526 x 906 E-Mail: adam.greenfield at site5.com From nikanorov at gmail.com Mon Dec 12 06:12:21 2005 From: nikanorov at gmail.com (Andrey Nikanorov) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 14:12:21 +0300 Subject: [typo] Why does typo default to 'development' mode? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Don't forget that under FastCGI, Rails leaks memory in "development" environment. On 12/12/05, Adam C. Greenfield wrote: > I've seen a lot of people just leave typo running in development > mode, and I think a much more user friendly choice would be to change > environment.rb to default people to production. > > Most users will never need to run typo in development mode > > Thoughts? Opinions? > > -- > Adam C. Greenfield > Chief Technology Officer > Site5 Internet Solutions, Inc. > Phone: (888) 748-3526 x 906 > E-Mail: adam.greenfield at site5.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > -- Nikanorov Andrey http://nikanorov.com This email is: [ ] blogable [ x ] ask first [ ] private From jbainbridge at gmail.com Mon Dec 12 10:11:27 2005 From: jbainbridge at gmail.com (Jason Bainbridge) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 09:11:27 -0600 Subject: [typo] Why does typo default to 'development' mode? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 12/12/05, Andrey Nikanorov wrote: > Don't forget that under FastCGI, Rails leaks memory in "development" > environment. Semi-related to this has anyone else noticed that script/about (in rails 0.14.3 and up) always seems to think you are running in Development mode? Either that or I am doing something really wrong... Regards, -- Jason Bainbridge An Aussie geek stuck in Texas - http://jasonbainbridge.com From chris at codeintensity.com Mon Dec 12 13:31:59 2005 From: chris at codeintensity.com (Christopher Bailey) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 10:31:59 -0800 Subject: [typo] Need help migrating Superclass comments (and more: DB 20 to 35) Message-ID: I had a relatively older typo, and updated to head revision. I then did a migrate, but that failed. Actually, it appears the "rake migrate" call actually worked (this time, with head revision 800), but going to the admin interface, and doing the upgrade fails. It says I'm on DB version 20, and that it will go to 35. Here's what it shows for needed migrations: Superclass comments Superclass trackbacks Superclass pages Cleanup contents Add itunes metadata Add redirect table Set comment published flag Rename redirect to Add user notification Index sessions Add notifications table Add jabber notification Add count caching Boolify published Boolify content allow foo I am wondering if my database is in a bad state due to this, and how I can fix it and get fully up to date. The following is the log output when I try to update, and I'm hoping someone can suggest some potential fixes/actions to do to get the migrate to run through: Processing GeneralController#migrate (for 64.168.111.27 at 2005-12-12 18:34:07) [POST] Parameters: {"action"=>"migrate", "controller"=>"admin/general"} Migrating to SuperclassComments (21) Errno::EIO (Input/output error): /db/migrate//21_superclass_comments.rb:3:in `write' /db/migrate//21_superclass_comments.rb:3:in `puts' /db/migrate//21_superclass_comments.rb:3:in `up' /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activerecord-1.13.0/lib/active_record/migr ation.rb:211:in `send' /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activerecord-1.13.0/lib/active_record/migr ation.rb:211:in `migrate' /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activerecord-1.13.0/lib/active_record/migr ation.rb:206:in `each' /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activerecord-1.13.0/lib/active_record/migr ation.rb:206:in `migrate' /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activerecord-1.13.0/lib/active_record/migr ation.rb:173:in `up' /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activerecord-1.13.0/lib/active_record/migr ation.rb:164:in `migrate' /lib/migrator.rb:26:in `migrate' /app/controllers/admin/general_controller.rb:17:in `migrate' /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionpack-1.11.0/lib/action_controller/ba se.rb:841:in `send' /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionpack-1.11.0/lib/action_controller/ba se.rb:841:in `perform_action_without_filters' /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionpack-1.11.0/lib/action_controller/fi lters.rb:332:in `perform_action_without_benchmark' /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionpack-1.11.0/lib/action_controller/be nchmarking.rb:69:in `perform_action_without_rescue' /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionpack-1.11.0/lib/action_controller/be nchmarking.rb:69:in `measure' /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionpack-1.11.0/lib/action_controller/be nchmarking.rb:69:in `perform_action_without_rescue' /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionpack-1.11.0/lib/action_controller/re scue.rb:82:in `perform_action' /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionpack-1.11.0/lib/action_controller/ba se.rb:365:in `send' /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionpack-1.11.0/lib/action_controller/ba se.rb:365:in `process_without_session_management_support' /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionpack-1.11.0/lib/action_controller/se ssion_management.rb:116:in `process' /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/rails-0.14.3/lib/dispatcher.rb:38:in `dispatch' /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/rails-0.14.3/lib/fcgi_handler.rb:141:in `process_request' /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/rails-0.14.3/lib/fcgi_handler.rb:53:in `process!' /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/rails-0.14.3/lib/fcgi_handler.rb:52:in `each_cgi' /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fcgi-0.8.6.1/./fcgi.rb:597:in `each' /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fcgi-0.8.6.1/./fcgi.rb:597:in `each_cgi' /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/rails-0.14.3/lib/fcgi_handler.rb:52:in `process!' /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/rails-0.14.3/lib/fcgi_handler.rb:22:in `process!' //public/dispatch.fcgi:24 From adam.greenfield at site5.com Mon Dec 12 13:59:32 2005 From: adam.greenfield at site5.com (Adam C. Greenfield) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 13:59:32 -0500 Subject: [typo] script/about always reporting development Message-ID: <9CC200EC-10F4-424F-9997-3FB9F117A0F9@site5.com> Split this thread to keep the original one on topic On Dec 12, 2005, at 10:11 AM, Jason Bainbridge wrote: > > Semi-related to this has anyone else noticed that script/about (in > rails 0.14.3 and up) always seems to think you are running in > Development mode? Either that or I am doing something really wrong... > How are you putting typo into production mode? Did you update environment.rb or are you using environment variables in your web server configuration? -- Adam C. Greenfield Chief Technology Officer Site5 Internet Solutions, Inc. Phone: (888) 748-3526 x 906 E-Mail: adam.greenfield at site5.com From freedom at freedomdumlao.com Mon Dec 12 14:06:24 2005 From: freedom at freedomdumlao.com (Freedom Dumlao) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 14:06:24 -0500 Subject: [typo] script/about always reporting development In-Reply-To: <9CC200EC-10F4-424F-9997-3FB9F117A0F9@site5.com> References: <9CC200EC-10F4-424F-9997-3FB9F117A0F9@site5.com> Message-ID: On Dec 12, 2005, at 1:59 PM, Adam C. Greenfield wrote: > Split this thread to keep the original one on topic > > On Dec 12, 2005, at 10:11 AM, Jason Bainbridge wrote: >> >> Semi-related to this has anyone else noticed that script/about (in >> rails 0.14.3 and up) always seems to think you are running in >> Development mode? Either that or I am doing something really wrong... >> > > How are you putting typo into production mode? Did you update > environment.rb or are you using environment variables in your web > server configuration? There is an ongoing discussion regarding this topic here: http:// typoforums.org/index.php/topic,23.0.html You can see how Jason set up his environment there. I am also experiencing the same thing. From jbainbridge at gmail.com Mon Dec 12 14:07:56 2005 From: jbainbridge at gmail.com (Jason Bainbridge) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 13:07:56 -0600 Subject: [typo] script/about always reporting development In-Reply-To: <9CC200EC-10F4-424F-9997-3FB9F117A0F9@site5.com> References: <9CC200EC-10F4-424F-9997-3FB9F117A0F9@site5.com> Message-ID: On 12/12/05, Adam C. Greenfield wrote: > Split this thread to keep the original one on topic > > On Dec 12, 2005, at 10:11 AM, Jason Bainbridge wrote: > > > > Semi-related to this has anyone else noticed that script/about (in > > rails 0.14.3 and up) always seems to think you are running in > > Development mode? Either that or I am doing something really wrong... > > > > How are you putting typo into production mode? Did you update > environment.rb or are you using environment variables in your web > server configuration? I've tried both as per the output at: http://typoforums.org/index.php/topic,23.msg62.html#msg62 The thing is though it is using the Production database and seems to be using a mixture of the production and development log files. I think I might just blow away that install all together and start again now that I know a little more about what I am doing. Regards, -- Jason Bainbridge An Aussie geek stuck in Texas - http://jasonbainbridge.com From peter.j.donald at gmail.com Mon Dec 12 16:43:42 2005 From: peter.j.donald at gmail.com (Peter Donald) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:43:42 +1100 Subject: [typo] script/about always reporting development In-Reply-To: References: <9CC200EC-10F4-424F-9997-3FB9F117A0F9@site5.com> Message-ID: <125c0c0d0512121343r4a7691aet1301a86bb13b84e@mail.gmail.com> Hi, If I do the following it reports production mode... set RAILS_ENV=production ruby script\about -- Cheers, Peter Donald Blog: http://www.RealityForge.org From freedom at freedomdumlao.com Mon Dec 12 18:18:15 2005 From: freedom at freedomdumlao.com (Freedom Dumlao) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:18:15 -0500 Subject: [typo] script/about always reporting development In-Reply-To: <125c0c0d0512121343r4a7691aet1301a86bb13b84e@mail.gmail.com> References: <9CC200EC-10F4-424F-9997-3FB9F117A0F9@site5.com> <125c0c0d0512121343r4a7691aet1301a86bb13b84e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46B44B5E-3B03-40FE-BC9E-CDE636B89B49@freedomdumlao.com> Peter, could you post the output of your script/about, so we can compare? On Dec 12, 2005, at 4:43 PM, Peter Donald wrote: > Hi, > > If I do the following it reports production mode... > > set RAILS_ENV=production > ruby script\about > > -- > Cheers, > > Peter Donald > > Blog: http://www.RealityForge.org > > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list From b.hutchison at gmail.com Mon Dec 12 18:35:28 2005 From: b.hutchison at gmail.com (Brian Hutchison) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 15:35:28 -0800 Subject: [typo] Typo Forums United In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Nice work, thanks for working this out. I was about to setup a third typo forum (typoforums.net is available, right?) using rforum software. Just kidding, but I did like the idea of using rails based forum software under the philosophy of "ask not what your forum software can do for you, ask what you can do for your forum software." On 12/10/05, Freedom Dumlao wrote: > > It's official! Jason and I would like to announce that the Typo > forums have joined and are available at the domain http:// > www.typoforums.org > > The primary goal of this site is to provide support for Typo users, > freeing up the mailing list to be used for developer discussions. > We'd like to invite all of you to come and join us at the site, and > look forward to your comments and suggestions. > > We would also like to ask if it might make sense to link to the > forums from the Typo website, in order to provide new users with easy > access to support and the community. > > We thank all of you who supported this idea, and even if you didn't, > you are still welcome at typoforums.org! > > > -Freedom > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From freedom at freedomdumlao.com Mon Dec 12 18:41:26 2005 From: freedom at freedomdumlao.com (Freedom Dumlao) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:41:26 -0500 Subject: [typo] Typo Forums United In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0A56E81E-C793-42F3-BD91-DCA53578A53E@freedomdumlao.com> Thanks Brian. Actually, typoforums.net is pointing to the typoforums.org address now too, so we got em all. ;) I think both Jason and I looked at rforums initially, but found that it is still a bit too immature for our purpose. I personally thought that a PHP solution would be ok for the forums, since we are using a python solution for our software tracking (Trac). At any rate, we look forward to seeing you on the boards! On Dec 12, 2005, at 6:35 PM, Brian Hutchison wrote: > Nice work, thanks for working this out. I was about to setup a > third typo forum (typoforums.net is available, right?) using rforum > software. Just kidding, but I did like the idea of using rails > based forum software under the philosophy of "ask not what your > forum software can do for you, ask what you can do for your forum > software." > > On 12/10/05, Freedom Dumlao wrote: > It's official! Jason and I would like to announce that the Typo > forums have joined and are available at the domain http:// > www.typoforums.org > > The primary goal of this site is to provide support for Typo users, > freeing up the mailing list to be used for developer discussions. > We'd like to invite all of you to come and join us at the site, and > look forward to your comments and suggestions. > > We would also like to ask if it might make sense to link to the > forums from the Typo website, in order to provide new users with easy > access to support and the community. > > We thank all of you who supported this idea, and even if you didn't, > you are still welcome at typoforums.org! > > > -Freedom > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/typo-list/attachments/20051212/ab54d026/attachment.htm From jbainbridge at gmail.com Mon Dec 12 18:43:00 2005 From: jbainbridge at gmail.com (Jason Bainbridge) Date: 12 Dec 2005 17:43:00 -0600 Subject: [typo] Typo Forums United Message-ID: <3217254180.237021@www.chatteremail.com> The thing is though that ultimately we wanted the forum software to be just a tool for user support of Typo. If we had of used Rforum then it would have been a project in it's own right and frankly I want to focus on Typo development and not Rforum's. Regards, -- An Aussie geek stuck in Texas http://jasonbainbridge.com -----Original Message----- From: Brian Hutchison Date: Monday, Dec 12, 2005 5:35 pm Subject: Re: [typo] Typo Forums United Nice work, thanks for working this out. I was about to setup a third typo forum (typoforums.net is available, right?) using rforum software. Just kidding, but I did like the idea of using rails based forum software under the philosophy of "ask not what your forum software can do for you, ask what you can do for your forum software." On 12/10/05, Freedom Dumlao wrote: > > It's official! Jason and I would like to announce that the Typo > forums have joined and are available at the domain http:// > www.typoforums.org > > The primary goal of this site is to provide support for Typo users, > freeing up the mailing list to be used for developer discussions. > We'd like to invite all of you to come and join us at the site, and > look forward to your comments and suggestions. > > We would also like to ask if it might make sense to link to the > forums from the Typo website, in order to provide new users with easy > access to support and the community. > > We thank all of you who supported this idea, and even if you didn't, > you are still welcome at typoforums.org! > > > -Freedom > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > ------=_Part_20413_6809188.1134430528604 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Nice work, thanks for working this out. I was about to setup a third typo forum (typoforums.net is available, right?) using rforum software. Just kidding, but I did like the idea of using rails based forum software under the philosophy of 'ask not what your forum software can do for you, ask what you can do for your forum software.'

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It's official! Jason and I would like to announce that the Typo
forums have joined and are available at the domain Re: [typo] Typo Forums UnitedBrian Hutchison To: typo-list at rubyforge.org Reply-To: typo-list at rubyforge.org From justus at ryoohki.net Mon Dec 12 20:55:30 2005 From: justus at ryoohki.net (Justus Pendleton) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 01:55:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [typo] Not logging XMLRPC errors? References: <9FA11324-3D4B-4C65-91C9-AA7FC558BC36@freedomdumlao.com> Message-ID: On 2005-12-12, Freedom Dumlao wrote: > but it seems that the XMLRPC errors are not being reported in the > latest svn (800)? I get XMLRPC errors in my production.log just fine on the trunk. They look like this: Processing BackendController#xmlrpc (for 192.55.4.36 at 2005-12-12 18:54:43) [POST] Parameters: {"methodName"=>"mt.supportedMextFilters", "action"=>"xmlrpc", "params"=>{}, "controller"=>"backend"} ActionWebService::Dispatcher::DispatcherError (no such method 'supportedMextFilters' on API MovableTypeApi): Justus From justus at ryoohki.net Mon Dec 12 21:43:43 2005 From: justus at ryoohki.net (Justus Pendleton) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 02:43:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [typo] Need help migrating Superclass comments (and more: DB 20 to 35) References: Message-ID: On 2005-12-12, Christopher Bailey wrote: > I am wondering if my database is in a bad state due to this, and how I can > fix it and get fully up to date. The following is the log output when I try > to update, and I'm hoping someone can suggest some potential fixes/actions > to do to get the migrate to run through: I had something similar happen to me when I tried updating to DB 35 recently.... > Errno::EIO (Input/output error): > /db/migrate//21_superclass_comments.rb:3:in `write' > /db/migrate//21_superclass_comments.rb:3:in `puts' > /db/migrate//21_superclass_comments.rb:3:in `up' In my case I worked around it by removing all calls to STDERR.puts in the migration scripts that didn't work. I have no idea why STDERR.puts is failing but they aren't necessary as long as you don't mind the lack of messages during the update. Justus From peter.j.donald at gmail.com Tue Dec 13 07:06:16 2005 From: peter.j.donald at gmail.com (Peter Donald) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:06:16 +1100 Subject: [typo] Migrating from Mysql to Postgres Message-ID: <125c0c0d0512130406l66403c88uff9d712bd0956e02@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Unfortunately there is some funky interaction bugs between latest rails and typo on mysql that makes it unusable as far as I can tell. So I have decided to move to postgres but I was wondering if there is any easy way to migrate the data between the two databases? -- Cheers, Peter Donald Blog: http://www.RealityForge.org From nikanorov at gmail.com Tue Dec 13 07:27:23 2005 From: nikanorov at gmail.com (Andrey Nikanorov) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 15:27:23 +0300 Subject: [typo] Migrating from Mysql to Postgres In-Reply-To: <125c0c0d0512130406l66403c88uff9d712bd0956e02@mail.gmail.com> References: <125c0c0d0512130406l66403c88uff9d712bd0956e02@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Heh. There are a lot of bugs on postgresql too =) On 12/13/05, Peter Donald wrote: > Hi, > > Unfortunately there is some funky interaction bugs between latest > rails and typo on mysql that makes it unusable as far as I can tell. > So I have decided to move to postgres but I was wondering if there is > any easy way to migrate the data between the two databases? > > -- > Cheers, > > Peter Donald > > Blog: http://www.RealityForge.org > > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > -- Nikanorov Andrey http://nikanorov.com This email is: [ ] blogable [ x ] ask first [ ] private From corey.donohoe at gmail.com Tue Dec 13 10:18:35 2005 From: corey.donohoe at gmail.com (Corey Donohoe) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:18:35 -0500 Subject: [typo] Migrating from Mysql to Postgres In-Reply-To: References: <125c0c0d0512130406l66403c88uff9d712bd0956e02@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1a9e786f0512130718x3589c625g2c2f604bfd6aec75@mail.gmail.com> If you upgrade to the beta gems(they fixed they mysql weirdness present in 0.14.4) you can continue to mysql. Or you can move away from the pure ruby driver and use the binary driver which is recommended last I checked. If you still wanna move to pg, http://www.google.com/search?complete=1&hl=en&q=mysql2pgsql&btnG=Google+Search On 12/13/05, Andrey Nikanorov wrote: > > Heh. There are a lot of bugs on postgresql too =) > > On 12/13/05, Peter Donald wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Unfortunately there is some funky interaction bugs between latest > > rails and typo on mysql that makes it unusable as far as I can tell. > > So I have decided to move to postgres but I was wondering if there is > > any easy way to migrate the data between the two databases? > > > > -- > > Cheers, > > > > Peter Donald > > > > Blog: http://www.RealityForge.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Typo-list mailing list > > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > > > > > -- > Nikanorov Andrey > http://nikanorov.com > This email is: [ ] blogable [ x ] ask first [ ] private > > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > -- Corey Donohoe http://www.atmos.org/ corey.donohoe at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have the following setup in the database (entered manually, I didn't see any interface for this): id: 1 from_path: 30/cradle-or-convert to_path: /articles/2005/11/27/cradle-or-convert (I've tried other combinations of leading/trailing slashes, but have left it as above for the time being, as per the example at http:// scottstuff.net/blog/articles/2005/11/17/a-little-help-for-migrating- to-typo) The production.log shows the following when I try to browse to http:// emergentpdx.com/30/cradle-or-convert/ Processing RedirectController#redirect (for 71.56.132.130 at 2005-12-15 13:17:33) [GET] Parameters: {"from"=>["30", "cradle-or-convert"], "action"=>"redirect", "controller"=>"redirect"} Completed in 0.00470 (212 reqs/sec) | Rendering: 0.00005 (1%) | DB: 0.00164 (34%) | 404 [http://emergentpdx.com/30/cradle-or-convert/] Looks to me like routes.rb recognizes the funny request and wants to redirect it, but something's getting confused. Instead, it gives me a 404. Thanks, Kevin From paulrbrown at gmail.com Thu Dec 15 13:57:06 2005 From: paulrbrown at gmail.com (Paul Brown) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:57:06 -0800 Subject: [typo] Using Redirects In-Reply-To: <8344B5BF-2774-45FB-BEDB-2B6610050C56@mac.com> References: <8344B5BF-2774-45FB-BEDB-2B6610050C56@mac.com> Message-ID: <4249453d0512151057m393e85aek6a8cf92795d93103@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Kevin -- > I setup a new blog yesterday on r801. I am trying to use the > redirects table to fix my old links, but can't get it working. Duh. I feel like a d00fus, since I didn't know about the redirects table. I put some Apache mod_redirect magic in place to push query string parameters onto a new URL scheme and just added a method to the articles controller to interpolate between old permalinks and article IDs. http://mult.ifario.us/articles/read/129 Now I'm going to go and learn about the redirection functionality. -- Paul From kuba at lbl.pl Thu Dec 15 14:22:04 2005 From: kuba at lbl.pl (KubaTyszko) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:22:04 +0100 Subject: [typo] / not refreshing Message-ID: <20051215192204.GA18018@lbl.pl> hi all. i just installed typo (latest) and see very strange behavior. root page of my blog is not refreshing with added content, moreover, it does not even have new theme. rake sweep_cache doesn't help. i use built in webrick http server. you can see this in action on: http://www.freezenet.pl:3000 any help would be appreciated. cheers. From kuba at lbl.pl Thu Dec 15 17:16:35 2005 From: kuba at lbl.pl (KubaTyszko) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:16:35 +0100 Subject: [typo] / not refreshing In-Reply-To: <20051215192204.GA18018@lbl.pl> References: <20051215192204.GA18018@lbl.pl> Message-ID: <20051215221635.GA13999@lbl.pl> On Thu, Dec 15, 2005 at 08:22:04PM +0100, KubaTyszko wrote: > hi all. > i just installed typo (latest) and see very strange behavior. > root page of my blog is not refreshing with added content, moreover, it > does not even have new theme. > rake sweep_cache doesn't help. > i use built in webrick http server. > you can see this in action on: > > http://www.freezenet.pl:3000 > > any help would be appreciated. > cheers. sorry for spamming ;-) (and for replying to my own post ) i have just removed public/index.html and everything works fine. From robby.lists at planetargon.com Fri Dec 16 03:42:42 2005 From: robby.lists at planetargon.com (Robby Russell) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 00:42:42 -0800 Subject: [typo] TypoSphere.org (future home of the Typo project) Message-ID: <1134722562.20869.15.camel@linus> Announcing... http://www.typosphere.org/ If you are interested in helping the Typo project take a huge leap into 2006, please let us know. We're currently in the process of moving the Typo project hosting to PLANET ARGON (trac, wiki, downloads, etc...). We're hoping to take some of the responsibility in terms of maintenance, server configuration, etc off of Tobias, Scott, and those involved. While we work on this move... we put up a teaser page so that we can send out a big notification to people when we launch a new site. In particular, if you're a designer and want to volunteer some time to helping us design a new typo home page... please let us know. :-) Cheers, Robby -- /****************************************************** * Robby Russell, Founder.Developer.Geek * PLANET ARGON, Rails Development, Consulting & Hosting * Portland, Oregon | p: 503.351.4730 | f: 815.642.4068 * www.planetargon.com | www.robbyonrails.com * Programming Rails | www.programmingrails.com *******************************************************/ From arronkau at gmail.com Fri Dec 16 09:47:29 2005 From: arronkau at gmail.com (Arron Kau) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 06:47:29 -0800 Subject: [typo] Spam comments Message-ID: I'm running trunk-revision 800. I just got a comment posted to my blog with links to about 30 porn sites. However, I have max_urls set on my admin page at 4. How did this comment get through? Is this a known bug, or do I need to submit one on trac? (Does it have anything to do with using Textile as a textfilter? Thanks -- Arron Kau kau at lifetime.oregonstate.edu blog: http://akau.org From scott at sigkill.org Fri Dec 16 10:31:45 2005 From: scott at sigkill.org (Scott Laird) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 07:31:45 -0800 Subject: [typo] Spam comments In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <63B01111-D718-4140-880A-45F6000B45FB@sigkill.org> Submit a bug, and if you feel really adventurous, feel free to write a unit test that shows the bug :-). I don't remember seeing a test for the URL filter, which probably means that it doesn't work. Scott On Dec 16, 2005, at 6:47 AM, Arron Kau wrote: > I'm running trunk-revision 800. I just got a comment posted to my blog > with links to about 30 porn sites. However, I have max_urls set on my > admin page at 4. How did this comment get through? Is this a known > bug, or > do I need to submit one on trac? > > (Does it have anything to do with using Textile as a textfilter? > > Thanks > > -- > Arron Kau > kau at lifetime.oregonstate.edu > blog: http://akau.org > > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list From adam.greenfield at site5.com Fri Dec 16 23:23:30 2005 From: adam.greenfield at site5.com (Adam C. Greenfield) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 23:23:30 -0500 Subject: [typo] Typo Trac is down Message-ID: It looks like Typo's trac is offline: http://typo.leetsoft.com/trac/ says Oops... Trac detected an internal error: No module named trac.core Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/share/trac/public/trac.cgi", line 24, in ? import trac.core ImportError: No module named trac.core at first I thought maybe the PA move was happening - but it looks like dns still points at xal's machine. Can someone give it a kick? -- Adam C. Greenfield Chief Technology Officer Site5 Internet Solutions, Inc. Phone: (888) 748-3526 x 906 E-Mail: adam.greenfield at site5.com From william.a at carrel.org Sat Dec 17 13:07:49 2005 From: william.a at carrel.org (William A. Carrel) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 10:07:49 -0800 Subject: [typo] Typo Trac is down In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6D4D6CD5-B3E8-4DC4-A868-D262D0C9558E@carrel.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 It could probably stand an upgrade too. IIRC the version of Trac that was running previously was vulnerable to some SQL injection issues. Feel free to contact me off-list if an extra hand is needed in getting it running happily again. On Dec 16, 2005, at 8:23 PM, Adam C. Greenfield wrote: > It looks like Typo's trac is offline: http://typo.leetsoft.com/trac/ > says > > Oops... > > Trac detected an internal error: > > No module named trac.core > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/share/trac/public/trac.cgi", line 24, in ? > import trac.core > ImportError: No module named trac.core > > > at first I thought maybe the PA move was happening - but it looks > like dns still points at xal's machine. > > Can someone give it a kick? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (Darwin) iQIVAwUBQ6RT/coU8+xqMUDPAQqd9Q//WBpXXzrCcxn90vvTzQytHGhnScVGHP6h CmG9VtNAIYiZ87C2bZnYS5XdMPg0PLr0X6nwSindYDkl37hdBroMeFg3/npMKWCx wNYuU3Yl/4ZBJ8NI9TY2K6s7lM3AS/yyLzwnIWnKmeR31YlY8WXm354XRowQbZKo XpqRVdekDnSeEZeq76YrKG1So2MxZVWtXAhfuIgcaqFMVJNarhF9NkErRFBEE4pX 0oojNDncnr2GAy5MGZIpN7CLXq9BRy1a6QRw86EuQhlFoX2sJL7QOq8qm9RPEpXZ f5Da0jaTDCWQvVsRjRya8dCxY7ZV1puvfEHbnvCf+wdXneMPkijdC8p3Izb1Ulb3 zXD0dhbiKchayF8ohl77/Cj4l7cyepFIxlwO8JL3IFtBvwxB7yAs6PL5qx6Kfuxu hQ4Mqdy2xMoCGSVqHjdql3k5iXgNF3w3n9ue4ne0znh4zhKyldXCXL+jrWeSERcl 7fBCphPQT/6/Yiz5FWAJtu+8MvKIOCzi0luv8gSY4SrZQwkA8kfq0BE2hEhX3JfJ emT//hhyqDdqKCP+NJkTw8e1MgIJr0ZMhlAVSCyEtg3Ptf1BhGIbjUryGD28vosS lXs98it9mcqTxq+MGKdxUfEN9gm3fpWbG6d0tKKA3yFUSLhRFQoSsj60Ag7hilAz 1WT138QQMx8= =4bwk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From muzzle at gmail.com Sun Dec 18 07:04:02 2005 From: muzzle at gmail.com (muzzle) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 13:04:02 +0100 Subject: [typo] lame question on images Message-ID: <20e92f120512180404j544a0225refc905f9848883a9@mail.gmail.com> Hallo, can I easily include an image in a post? Is there some way to show in a post an image hosted somewhere on the net (say imageshack) or, better, a plugin that lets me upload a picture I want to display on the blog together with the post? Hope you can help me. Bye, Emme -- "Aspetto un'emozione sempre piu' indefinibile" (CCCP Fedeli alla linea) From rasputnik at gmail.com Sun Dec 18 08:59:34 2005 From: rasputnik at gmail.com (Dick Davies) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 13:59:34 +0000 Subject: [typo] lame question on images In-Reply-To: <20e92f120512180404j544a0225refc905f9848883a9@mail.gmail.com> References: <20e92f120512180404j544a0225refc905f9848883a9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3f1760512180559p34d31d19u@mail.gmail.com> If you'reusing textile, just do !http://url.of/image.jpg! On 18/12/05, muzzle wrote: > Hallo, > can I easily include an image in a post? Is there some way to show in > a post an image hosted somewhere on the net (say imageshack) or, > better, a plugin that lets me upload a picture I want to display on > the blog together with the post? > Hope you can help me. > Bye, > > Emme > > -- > "Aspetto un'emozione sempre piu' indefinibile" (CCCP Fedeli alla linea) > > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > -- Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns http://number9.hellooperator.net/ From doug at lathi.net Sun Dec 18 10:08:24 2005 From: doug at lathi.net (Doug Alcorn) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 10:08:24 -0500 Subject: [typo] lame question on images In-Reply-To: <20e92f120512180404j544a0225refc905f9848883a9@mail.gmail.com> References: <20e92f120512180404j544a0225refc905f9848883a9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2B64CA80-D7D5-4D72-8D31-9FB058F49A12@lathi.net> On Dec 18, 2005, at 7:04 AM, muzzle wrote: > or, > better, a plugin that lets me upload a picture I want to display on > the blog together with the post? If you're using a blogging tool like ecto[1] or mars edit[2], you can upload images with your posts. Typo supports several client protocols that have file uploading. 1. http://ecto.kung-foo.tv/ 2. http://ranchero.com/marsedit/ ----- Doug Alcorn (513) 295-2844 doug at lathi.net http://www.lathi.net/ From muzzle at gmail.com Sun Dec 18 11:28:47 2005 From: muzzle at gmail.com (muzzle) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:28:47 +0100 Subject: [typo] lame question on images In-Reply-To: <3f1760512180559p34d31d19u@mail.gmail.com> References: <20e92f120512180404j544a0225refc905f9848883a9@mail.gmail.com> <3f1760512180559p34d31d19u@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20e92f120512180828q14d82086q4cf7a5e46ee2c70d@mail.gmail.com> On 12/18/05, Dick Davies wrote: > If you'reusing textile, yes I do! > just do > > !http://url.of/image.jpg! nice, thnx a lot. Btw do you know if I can enter accented letters with textile? I'm italian, you know... On 12/18/05, Doug Alcorn wrote: > > If you're using a blogging tool like ecto[1] or mars edit[2], you can > upload images with your posts. Typo supports several client > protocols that have file uploading. > > 1. http://ecto.kung-foo.tv/ > 2. http://ranchero.com/marsedit/ Unfortunately I usually update typo via web, but thnx for the advice anyway. Also I was wondering if there is a simple way to update typo via email. I have been thinkig about adapting these scripts http://twoday.tuwien.ac.at/IMHO/stories/11930 to my needs but I never had the time. Thanks a lot again, Emme -- "Aspetto un'emozione sempre piu' indefinibile" (CCCP Fedeli alla linea) From gamayo at gmail.com Sun Dec 18 12:41:49 2005 From: gamayo at gmail.com (Lorenzo Perez Gamayo) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:41:49 +0000 Subject: [typo] lame question on images Message-ID: <200512181741.51769.gamayo@gmail.com> > Btw do you know if I can enter accented letters with textile? > I'm italian, you know... Yes, you can. I'm spanish and I use textile without a problem ;) -- Lorenzo P?rez Gamayo P?gina personal: http://lorenzo.electricdragon.org Correo: gamayo at gmail.com MSN Messenger: sabaku_kyuu at hotmail.com From kuba at lbl.pl Mon Dec 19 04:39:28 2005 From: kuba at lbl.pl (KubaTyszko) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 10:39:28 +0100 Subject: [typo] How to host multiple Blogs with on Typo installation. ? Message-ID: <20051219093928.GA4341@lbl.pl> hi. few days ago i had typo downloaded from typo site (not trunk) and after tweaks from sg.valicode.at i managed to support multible databases depending on domain part. now i have latest typo from trunk, and it seems that a lot has changed that makes it uneasy for me to get multiple db support. i found file application.rb and tweaked it as in howto but there is no mentioned lines in environment.fb, moreover, when i grepped whole typo directory i could not even find any file that reads database.yml (which obviously should be read by domething). can anyone help with this ? From gpsnospam at gmail.com Mon Dec 19 06:31:16 2005 From: gpsnospam at gmail.com (Gary Shewan) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 11:31:16 +0000 Subject: [typo] Typo Trac is (still) down In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The SVN repository is still up, which is good, but it's a bit of a concern that trac has been down for so long now... On 17 Dec 2005, at 04:23, Adam C. Greenfield wrote: > It looks like Typo's trac is offline: http://typo.leetsoft.com/trac/ > says > > Oops... > > Trac detected an internal error: > > No module named trac.core > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/share/trac/public/trac.cgi", line 24, in ? > import trac.core > ImportError: No module named trac.core > > > at first I thought maybe the PA move was happening - but it looks > like dns still points at xal's machine. > > Can someone give it a kick? > > -- > Adam C. Greenfield > Chief Technology Officer > Site5 Internet Solutions, Inc. > Phone: (888) 748-3526 x 906 > E-Mail: adam.greenfield at site5.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list From scott at sigkill.org Mon Dec 19 07:53:45 2005 From: scott at sigkill.org (Scott Laird) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 04:53:45 -0800 Subject: [typo] Typo Trac is (still) down In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <81771A80-FAC4-4C73-9591-06DEB69C850D@sigkill.org> Tobi is the only one with access to the system; he's probably out of town. We've been working on moving trac to a new system, but we aren't quite ready to cut over yet, and we need Tobi's help to finish the transition anyway. Scott On Dec 19, 2005, at 3:31 AM, Gary Shewan wrote: > The SVN repository is still up, which is good, but it's a bit of a > concern that trac has been down for so long now... > > On 17 Dec 2005, at 04:23, Adam C. Greenfield wrote: > >> It looks like Typo's trac is offline: http://typo.leetsoft.com/trac/ >> says >> >> Oops... >> >> Trac detected an internal error: >> >> No module named trac.core >> >> Traceback (most recent call last): >> File "/usr/share/trac/public/trac.cgi", line 24, in ? >> import trac.core >> ImportError: No module named trac.core >> >> >> at first I thought maybe the PA move was happening - but it looks >> like dns still points at xal's machine. >> >> Can someone give it a kick? >> >> -- >> Adam C. Greenfield >> Chief Technology Officer >> Site5 Internet Solutions, Inc. >> Phone: (888) 748-3526 x 906 >> E-Mail: adam.greenfield at site5.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Typo-list mailing list >> Typo-list at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list From packagethief at gmail.com Mon Dec 19 15:23:06 2005 From: packagethief at gmail.com (Jeffrey Hardy) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 15:23:06 -0500 Subject: [typo] lame question on images In-Reply-To: <3f1760512180559p34d31d19u@mail.gmail.com> References: <20e92f120512180404j544a0225refc905f9848883a9@mail.gmail.com> <3f1760512180559p34d31d19u@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 18-Dec-05, at 8:59 AM, Dick Davies wrote: > If you'reusing textile, just do > !http://url.of/image.jpg! Don't forget about the flickr macro. If your version of Typo has a 'Filters' tab in the admin section you can do something like in your post and typo will "Automatically generate image tags for flickr images". /Jeff From rasputnik at gmail.com Mon Dec 19 17:40:15 2005 From: rasputnik at gmail.com (Dick Davies) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 22:40:15 +0000 Subject: [typo] lame question on images In-Reply-To: References: <20e92f120512180404j544a0225refc905f9848883a9@mail.gmail.com> <3f1760512180559p34d31d19u@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3f1760512191440n5a637e8ct@mail.gmail.com> On 19/12/05, Jeffrey Hardy wrote: > Don't forget about the flickr macro. > > If your version of Typo has a 'Filters' tab in the admin section you > can do something like in > your post and typo will "Automatically generate image tags for flickr > images". Cool - are these in 2.6.0 (and are they documented anywhere)? -- Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns http://number9.hellooperator.net/ From rasputnik at gmail.com Mon Dec 19 17:41:25 2005 From: rasputnik at gmail.com (Dick Davies) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 22:41:25 +0000 Subject: [typo] lame question on images In-Reply-To: <3f1760512191440n5a637e8ct@mail.gmail.com> References: <20e92f120512180404j544a0225refc905f9848883a9@mail.gmail.com> <3f1760512180559p34d31d19u@mail.gmail.com> <3f1760512191440n5a637e8ct@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3f1760512191441w27e880bfx@mail.gmail.com> On 19/12/05, Dick Davies wrote: > On 19/12/05, Jeffrey Hardy wrote: > > > Don't forget about the flickr macro. > > > > If your version of Typo has a 'Filters' tab in the admin section you ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Cool - are these in 2.6.0 (and are they documented anywhere)? Duh, guess not. Sorry for noise :) -- Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns http://number9.hellooperator.net/ From boss at topfunky.com Tue Dec 20 16:59:26 2005 From: boss at topfunky.com (Geoffrey Grosenbach) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:59:26 -0800 Subject: [typo] Typo Theme Contest Redux Message-ID: From my vast network of informants I've heard reports that some people are passing around a petition to complain about the results of the Typo Theme Contest. I hope this is not true, but if such a petition does exist, please inform the perpetrators that: * The contest was made possible by very generous sponsors, and bothering them with your post-contest woes is not a good way to thank them. * No one was guaranteed to receive any prize. You should have been motivated by a desire to improve Typo and to give back to the community. I put at least 80-100 hours into the running of this contest and never expected to receive anything in return. Tobias, Scott, Piers, Patrick, and many others have put thousands of hours into the development of Typo and have not received either a PowerBook or a free pony for their efforts. I really hope this is the last I hear of this and that we can move on from the contest (which was a great success). However, please contact me directly with any complaints. Thank you, Geoffrey Grosenbach boss at topfunky.com IRC Nick: topfunky From thomas.42 at gmail.com Wed Dec 21 07:12:52 2005 From: thomas.42 at gmail.com (thomas Aylott) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 07:12:52 -0500 Subject: [typo] Typo Theme Contest Redux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <07BF397B-9040-431E-B65F-D77270A1ED59@gmail.com> Woah there. I certainly hope that's not the case! Personally, I was surprised by the results. I thought Lush was going to get 2nd or 3rd. But, It would be pure insanity for anyone to complain about it at this point. The results are it. The winners have been chosen. The prizes have been given out. It comes down to this: The good themes will be used. The crappy themes won't be used. If you didn't win a prize and you DO get a bunch of people using your theme, what better prize could you have asked for? If you don't get anyone using your theme, maybe your theme sucks, let it go! Complaining about the results of a contest 23 days after it ended is not going to win you a lot of friends. The whole point of the contest was a HUGE success. We got like 150 new themes for Typo. We got a huge amount of publicity. We smoothed some of the rough edges in the way Typo handles themes in a new stable release. This has been totally awesome! I think everyone would agree that? it would take a serious loser to want to dowse the flames of success with the fetid pond scum of negativity. Don't worry Goeff, most people actually do appreciate what you'd done to make this contest work. The judges are awesome. You have put a serious amount of work into the Rails community and now the Typo community. All the 1337 hax0rs out there, lets give Geoff and everyone who submitted a Theme, all the judges, and all the sponsors... a huge round of applause! ? Thomas Aylott PS: Check out subtleGradient.com for the award-losing subtleTheme & subtleSpeed Typo 2.6 themes. ;) On Dec 20, 2005, at 4:59 PM, Geoffrey Grosenbach wrote: > > From my vast network of informants I've heard reports that some > people are passing around a petition to complain about the results of > the Typo Theme Contest. > > I hope this is not true, but if such a petition does exist, please > inform the perpetrators that: > > * The contest was made possible by very generous sponsors, and > bothering them with your post-contest woes is not a good way to thank > them. > * No one was guaranteed to receive any prize. You should have been > motivated by a desire to improve Typo and to give back to the > community. > > I put at least 80-100 hours into the running of this contest and > never expected to receive anything in return. Tobias, Scott, Piers, > Patrick, and many others have put thousands of hours into the > development of Typo and have not received either a PowerBook or a > free pony for their efforts. > > > I really hope this is the last I hear of this and that we can move on > from the contest (which was a great success). However, please contact > me directly with any complaints. > > > Thank you, > > Geoffrey Grosenbach > boss at topfunky.com > IRC Nick: topfunky > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list From marco at i-marco.nl Wed Dec 21 07:35:49 2005 From: marco at i-marco.nl (Marco van Hylckama Vlieg) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:35:49 +0100 Subject: [typo] Typo Theme Contest Redux In-Reply-To: <07BF397B-9040-431E-B65F-D77270A1ED59@gmail.com> References: <07BF397B-9040-431E-B65F-D77270A1ED59@gmail.com> Message-ID: <43A94C25.4040103@i-marco.nl> Hi guys, I'm the author of 'Lush' so I feel an urge to respond here if you all don't mind. As some of you may know I've been royally pissed off by the results of the Typo contest. I've seen a month's hard work being beaten by half-finished, unpolished themes that have been whipped up in one or two days. I can honestly say that didn't feel very nice. HOWEVER: This has absolutely nothing to do with Geoffrey, the sponsors and / or anyone else who helped organizing this contest. It has everything to do with a (I still strongly feel like this) very poor job done by the 'esteemed judges'. Even though I'm not 'a professional designer' I can clearly see these results don't make sense at all and many people (including other professional designers) have told me the same thing. Therefore I'm not saying 'the judges are awesome', simply because they aren't, no matter how big their names are. I feel they haven't taken this contest seriously at all. A clear signal of this observation is the total lack of coverage of this contest on any of their websites. Not even a link, nothing, zero, zip. I'm all for giving credit where credit's due but the judges aren't the ones who should get much of that when it comes to this contest. My credits go to Geoffrey and anyone else who worked hard to make this contest a reality. That said, even though I hated the contest results, I'm totally against this whole petition thing. First of all I believe what's done is done and secondly I believe it's damaging to Typo, Geoffrey, the sponsors and anyone else involved. Typo is a great piece of software, it's community is totally awesome and it really doesn't deserve this kind of bad publicity. Personally I haven't heard anything of this whole petition thing but if I do I'll tell whoever approaches me with it that I don't agree with it. I'm seeing sites powered by Lush popping up all over the world including blog.leetsoft.com which is an enormous honor to me. Probably even better than winning a powerbook in the long run. Therefore I'm all in favor of letting this thing go and move on. I'll post a notice on the Lush demo site too. Thanks, Marco thomas Aylott wrote: > Woah there. I certainly hope that's not the case! > > Personally, I was surprised by the results. I thought Lush was going > to get 2nd or 3rd. > But, It would be pure insanity for anyone to complain about it at > this point. The results are it. The winners have been chosen. The > prizes have been given out. > > It comes down to this: The good themes will be used. The crappy > themes won't be used. If you didn't win a prize and you DO get a > bunch of people using your theme, what better prize could you have > asked for? If you don't get anyone using your theme, maybe your theme > sucks, let it go! Complaining about the results of a contest 23 days > after it ended is not going to win you a lot of friends. > > The whole point of the contest was a HUGE success. We got like 150 > new themes for Typo. We got a huge amount of publicity. We smoothed > some of the rough edges in the way Typo handles themes in a new > stable release. > > This has been totally awesome! > > I think everyone would agree that? it would take a serious loser to > want to dowse the flames of success with the fetid pond scum of > negativity. > > Don't worry Goeff, most people actually do appreciate what you'd done > to make this contest work. The judges are awesome. You have put a > serious amount of work into the Rails community and now the Typo > community. > > All the 1337 hax0rs out there, lets give Geoff and everyone who > submitted a Theme, all the judges, and all the sponsors... a huge > round of applause! > > ? Thomas Aylott > > PS: Check out subtleGradient.com for the award-losing subtleTheme & > subtleSpeed Typo 2.6 themes. ;) > > > On Dec 20, 2005, at 4:59 PM, Geoffrey Grosenbach wrote: > > >> From my vast network of informants I've heard reports that some >> people are passing around a petition to complain about the results of >> the Typo Theme Contest. >> >> I hope this is not true, but if such a petition does exist, please >> inform the perpetrators that: >> >> * The contest was made possible by very generous sponsors, and >> bothering them with your post-contest woes is not a good way to thank >> them. >> * No one was guaranteed to receive any prize. You should have been >> motivated by a desire to improve Typo and to give back to the >> community. >> >> I put at least 80-100 hours into the running of this contest and >> never expected to receive anything in return. Tobias, Scott, Piers, >> Patrick, and many others have put thousands of hours into the >> development of Typo and have not received either a PowerBook or a >> free pony for their efforts. >> >> >> I really hope this is the last I hear of this and that we can move on >> from the contest (which was a great success). However, please contact >> me directly with any complaints. >> >> >> Thank you, >> >> Geoffrey Grosenbach >> boss at topfunky.com >> IRC Nick: topfunky >> _______________________________________________ >> Typo-list mailing list >> Typo-list at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > From b.hutchison at gmail.com Wed Dec 21 11:18:05 2005 From: b.hutchison at gmail.com (Brian Hutchison) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 08:18:05 -0800 Subject: [typo] Typo Trac is (still) down In-Reply-To: <81771A80-FAC4-4C73-9591-06DEB69C850D@sigkill.org> References: <81771A80-FAC4-4C73-9591-06DEB69C850D@sigkill.org> Message-ID: FYI, I see that Trac is back up. Good to see. http://typo.leetsoft.com/trac/report/1 On 12/19/05, Scott Laird wrote: > > Tobi is the only one with access to the system; he's probably out of > town. We've been working on moving trac to a new system, but we > aren't quite ready to cut over yet, and we need Tobi's help to finish > the transition anyway. > > > Scott > > On Dec 19, 2005, at 3:31 AM, Gary Shewan wrote: > > > The SVN repository is still up, which is good, but it's a bit of a > > concern that trac has been down for so long now... > > > > On 17 Dec 2005, at 04:23, Adam C. Greenfield wrote: > > > >> It looks like Typo's trac is offline: http://typo.leetsoft.com/trac/ > >> says > >> > >> Oops... > >> > >> Trac detected an internal error: > >> > >> No module named trac.core > >> > >> Traceback (most recent call last): > >> File "/usr/share/trac/public/trac.cgi", line 24, in ? > >> import trac.core > >> ImportError: No module named trac.core > >> > >> > >> at first I thought maybe the PA move was happening - but it looks > >> like dns still points at xal's machine. > >> > >> Can someone give it a kick? > >> > >> -- > >> Adam C. 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URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/typo-list/attachments/20051221/8ab26815/attachment.htm From jens at mooseyard.com Wed Dec 21 12:48:29 2005 From: jens at mooseyard.com (Jens Alfke) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:48:29 -0800 Subject: [typo] sqlite "database is locked" exceptions Message-ID: <7158B3C8-2CBD-4482-B552-4294F256D63D@mooseyard.com> I've just installed Typo (the current stable build) in my DreamHost account. I followed the directions on the handy Typo-DreamHost page (thanks!) except I configured it for sqlite instead of mysql. The site ran fine for five minutes, but halfway through configuring my blog it started to return the dreaded "Application Error", first intermittently and now constantly. The production.log shows a bunch of Ruby exceptions. Most of them look like the one I've pasted below -- a sqlite query fails with "database is locked". I think what's happening is that there are multiple fcgi processes and when two try to access the database at the same time, the one that gets there second is not handling the lock errors gracefully (by waiting and retrying); instead it decides the query has failed and throws an exception. Is this a known bug? I'm a total Rails newbie (though I have a little experience with Ruby and a lot with sqlite) so it's possible I screwed something up in my install. And yes, I will work around this by setting up mysql instead. I just hate having to configure some lumbering industrial-strength db server with its own account setup, just to run one little blog :) --Jens Processing Base#show_available (for 69.12.133.193 at 2005-12-21 09:18:08) [POST] Parameters: {"action"=>"show_available", "controller"=>"admin/ sidebar"} ActiveRecord::StatementInvalid (database is locked: UPDATE sessions SET 'updated_at' = '2005-12-21 09:18:08', 'data' = 'BAh7BzoJdXNlcm86CVVz ZXIGOhBAYXR0cmlidXRlc3sKIgluYW1lIg9KZW5z IEFsZmtlIgdpZCIGMSIKbG9naW4iCWplbnMiDXBhc3N3b3JkIi1lM2YzZTYz MDgyNDUyNDU0YTdiY2VlOWRlYjYyMzc2M2Y0YTAwMDkwIgplbWFpbCIXamVu c0Btb29zZXlhcmQuY29tIgpmbGFzaElDOidBY3Rpb25Db250cm9sbGVyOjpG bGFzaDo6Rmxhc2hIYXNoewAGOgpAdXNlZHsA ', 'sessid' = '6eb4029b9917899cce11dd4c98b7da0d' WHERE id = 1): /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activerecord-1.13.0/lib/ active_record/connection_adapters/abstract_adapter.rb:67:in `log' /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activerecord-1.13.0/lib/ active_record/connection_adapters/sqlite_adapter.rb:133:in `execute' /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activerecord-1.13.0/lib/ active_record/connection_adapters/sqlite_adapter.rb:137:in `update' /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activerecord-1.13.0/lib/ active_record/base.rb:1436:in `update_without_lock' /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activerecord-1.13.0/lib/ active_record/locking.rb:45:in `update_without_callbacks' /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activerecord-1.13.0/lib/ active_record/callbacks.rb:274:in `update_without_timestamps' /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activerecord-1.13.0/lib/ active_record/timestamp.rb:39:in `update' /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activerecord-1.13.0/lib/ active_record/base.rb:1431:in `create_or_update_without_callbacks' /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activerecord-1.13.0/lib/ active_record/callbacks.rb:249:in `create_or_update' /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activerecord-1.13.0/lib/ active_record/base.rb:1231:in `save_without_validation' /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activerecord-1.13.0/lib/ active_record/validations.rb:687:in `save_without_transactions' /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activerecord-1.13.0/lib/ active_record/transactions.rb:126:in `save' /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activerecord-1.13.0/lib/ active_record/transactions.rb:126:in `transaction' /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activerecord-1.13.0/lib/ active_record/transactions.rb:91:in `transaction' /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activerecord-1.13.0/lib/ active_record/transactions.rb:118:in `transaction' /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activerecord-1.13.0/lib/ active_record/transactions.rb:126:in `save' /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionpack-1.11.0/lib/ action_controller/session/active_record_store.rb:294:in `update' /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionpack-1.11.0/lib/ action_controller/session/active_record_store.rb:294:in `silence' /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionpack-1.11.0/lib/ action_controller/session/active_record_store.rb:294:in `update' ... From justus at ryoohki.net Wed Dec 21 13:05:30 2005 From: justus at ryoohki.net (Justus Pendleton) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:05:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [typo] sqlite "database is locked" exceptions References: <7158B3C8-2CBD-4482-B552-4294F256D63D@mooseyard.com> Message-ID: On 2005-12-21, Jens Alfke wrote: > And yes, I will work around this by setting up mysql instead. I just > hate having to configure some lumbering industrial-strength db server > with its own account setup, just to run one little blog :) rails (or typo, at least) doesn't support migrations with sqlite, AFAIK. So you're really stuck using postgres/mysql with typo in any case, unless you want to perform your migrations by hand :( Justus From victor-typo at carotena.net Wed Dec 21 13:26:04 2005 From: victor-typo at carotena.net (Victor Jalencas) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 19:26:04 +0100 Subject: [typo] sqlite "database is locked" exceptions In-Reply-To: <7158B3C8-2CBD-4482-B552-4294F256D63D@mooseyard.com> References: <7158B3C8-2CBD-4482-B552-4294F256D63D@mooseyard.com> Message-ID: <43A99E3C.9090706@carotena.net> I have observed the same, and not only for typo. Since I only use sqlite for local development it hasn't bothered me much, I usually just restart the webserver and I'm done with it. But of course, having this happen on a production server sucks I didn't give it much thought because I assumed it was my fault somehow, for abusing ActiveRecord. Victor Jens Alfke wrote: > I've just installed Typo (the current stable build) in my DreamHost > account. I followed the directions on the handy Typo-DreamHost page > (thanks!) except I configured it for sqlite instead of mysql. > > The site ran fine for five minutes, but halfway through configuring > my blog it started to return the dreaded "Application Error", first > intermittently and now constantly. > > The production.log shows a bunch of Ruby exceptions. Most of them > look like the one I've pasted below -- a sqlite query fails with > "database is locked". I think what's happening is that there are > multiple fcgi processes and when two try to access the database at > the same time, the one that gets there second is not handling the > lock errors gracefully (by waiting and retrying); instead it decides > the query has failed and throws an exception. > > Is this a known bug? I'm a total Rails newbie (though I have a little > experience with Ruby and a lot with sqlite) so it's possible I > screwed something up in my install. > > And yes, I will work around this by setting up mysql instead. I just > hate having to configure some lumbering industrial-strength db server > with its own account setup, just to run one little blog :) > > --Jens > > > Processing Base#show_available (for 69.12.133.193 at 2005-12-21 > 09:18:08) [POST] > Parameters: {"action"=>"show_available", "controller"=>"admin/ > sidebar"} > > > ActiveRecord::StatementInvalid (database is locked: UPDATE sessions > SET 'updated_at' = '2005-12-21 09:18:08', 'data' = 'BAh7BzoJdXNlcm86CVVz > ZXIGOhBAYXR0cmlidXRlc3sKIgluYW1lIg9KZW5z > IEFsZmtlIgdpZCIGMSIKbG9naW4iCWplbnMiDXBhc3N3b3JkIi1lM2YzZTYz > MDgyNDUyNDU0YTdiY2VlOWRlYjYyMzc2M2Y0YTAwMDkwIgplbWFpbCIXamVu > c0Btb29zZXlhcmQuY29tIgpmbGFzaElDOidBY3Rpb25Db250cm9sbGVyOjpG > bGFzaDo6Rmxhc2hIYXNoewAGOgpAdXNlZHsA > ', 'sessid' = '6eb4029b9917899cce11dd4c98b7da0d' WHERE id = 1): > /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activerecord-1.13.0/lib/ > active_record/connection_adapters/abstract_adapter.rb:67:in `log' > /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activerecord-1.13.0/lib/ > active_record/connection_adapters/sqlite_adapter.rb:133:in `execute' > /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activerecord-1.13.0/lib/ > active_record/connection_adapters/sqlite_adapter.rb:137:in `update' > /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activerecord-1.13.0/lib/ > active_record/base.rb:1436:in `update_without_lock' > /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activerecord-1.13.0/lib/ > active_record/locking.rb:45:in `update_without_callbacks' > /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activerecord-1.13.0/lib/ > active_record/callbacks.rb:274:in `update_without_timestamps' > /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activerecord-1.13.0/lib/ > active_record/timestamp.rb:39:in `update' > /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activerecord-1.13.0/lib/ > active_record/base.rb:1431:in `create_or_update_without_callbacks' > /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activerecord-1.13.0/lib/ > active_record/callbacks.rb:249:in `create_or_update' > /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activerecord-1.13.0/lib/ > active_record/base.rb:1231:in `save_without_validation' > /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activerecord-1.13.0/lib/ > active_record/validations.rb:687:in `save_without_transactions' > /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activerecord-1.13.0/lib/ > active_record/transactions.rb:126:in `save' > /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activerecord-1.13.0/lib/ > active_record/transactions.rb:126:in `transaction' > /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activerecord-1.13.0/lib/ > active_record/transactions.rb:91:in `transaction' > /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activerecord-1.13.0/lib/ > active_record/transactions.rb:118:in `transaction' > /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activerecord-1.13.0/lib/ > active_record/transactions.rb:126:in `save' > /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionpack-1.11.0/lib/ > action_controller/session/active_record_store.rb:294:in `update' > /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionpack-1.11.0/lib/ > action_controller/session/active_record_store.rb:294:in `silence' > /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionpack-1.11.0/lib/ > action_controller/session/active_record_store.rb:294:in `update' > ... > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list From daejuan at gmail.com Wed Dec 21 18:00:53 2005 From: daejuan at gmail.com (Daejuan Jacobs) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 17:00:53 -0600 Subject: [typo] sqlite "database is locked" exceptions In-Reply-To: <43A99E3C.9090706@carotena.net> References: <7158B3C8-2CBD-4482-B552-4294F256D63D@mooseyard.com> <43A99E3C.9090706@carotena.net> Message-ID: <93b350310512211500v25d039ffj9e8b84941005e0bf@mail.gmail.com> SQLite will lock when the timeout limit is met during an connection modifying the database. A solution would be to increase the "timeout" limit. Note, it's said by the developers that Typo2 makes unneeded SQL queries, which is probably your problem. On 12/21/05, Victor Jalencas wrote: > I have observed the same, and not only for typo. Since I only use sqlite > for local development it hasn't bothered me much, I usually just restart > the webserver and I'm done with it. But of course, having this happen on > a production server sucks > > I didn't give it much thought because I assumed it was my fault > somehow, for abusing ActiveRecord. > > > Victor > > Jens Alfke wrote: > > I've just installed Typo (the current stable build) in my DreamHost > > account. I followed the directions on the handy Typo-DreamHost page > > (thanks!) except I configured it for sqlite instead of mysql. > > > > The site ran fine for five minutes, but halfway through configuring > > my blog it started to return the dreaded "Application Error", first > > intermittently and now constantly. > > > > The production.log shows a bunch of Ruby exceptions. Most of them > > look like the one I've pasted below -- a sqlite query fails with > > "database is locked". I think what's happening is that there are > > multiple fcgi processes and when two try to access the database at > > the same time, the one that gets there second is not handling the > > lock errors gracefully (by waiting and retrying); instead it decides > > the query has failed and throws an exception. > > > > Is this a known bug? I'm a total Rails newbie (though I have a little > > experience with Ruby and a lot with sqlite) so it's possible I > > screwed something up in my install. > > > > And yes, I will work around this by setting up mysql instead. I just > > hate having to configure some lumbering industrial-strength db server > > with its own account setup, just to run one little blog :) > > > > --Jens > > > > > > Processing Base#show_available (for 69.12.133.193 at 2005-12-21 > > 09:18:08) [POST] > > Parameters: {"action"=>"show_available", "controller"=>"admin/ > > sidebar"} > > > > > > ActiveRecord::StatementInvalid (database is locked: UPDATE sessions > > SET 'updated_at' = '2005-12-21 09:18:08', 'data' = 'BAh7BzoJdXNlcm86CVVz > > ZXIGOhBAYXR0cmlidXRlc3sKIgluYW1lIg9KZW5z > > IEFsZmtlIgdpZCIGMSIKbG9naW4iCWplbnMiDXBhc3N3b3JkIi1lM2YzZTYz > > MDgyNDUyNDU0YTdiY2VlOWRlYjYyMzc2M2Y0YTAwMDkwIgplbWFpbCIXamVu > > c0Btb29zZXlhcmQuY29tIgpmbGFzaElDOidBY3Rpb25Db250cm9sbGVyOjpG > > bGFzaDo6Rmxhc2hIYXNoewAGOgpAdXNlZHsA > > ', 'sessid' = '6eb4029b9917899cce11dd4c98b7da0d' WHERE id = 1): > > /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activerecord-1.13.0/lib/ > > active_record/connection_adapters/abstract_adapter.rb:67:in `log' > > /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activerecord-1.13.0/lib/ > > active_record/connection_adapters/sqlite_adapter.rb:133:in `execute' > > /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activerecord-1.13.0/lib/ > > active_record/connection_adapters/sqlite_adapter.rb:137:in `update' > > /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activerecord-1.13.0/lib/ > > active_record/base.rb:1436:in `update_without_lock' > > /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activerecord-1.13.0/lib/ > > active_record/locking.rb:45:in `update_without_callbacks' > > /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activerecord-1.13.0/lib/ > > active_record/callbacks.rb:274:in `update_without_timestamps' > > /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activerecord-1.13.0/lib/ > > active_record/timestamp.rb:39:in `update' > > /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activerecord-1.13.0/lib/ > > active_record/base.rb:1431:in `create_or_update_without_callbacks' > > /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activerecord-1.13.0/lib/ > > active_record/callbacks.rb:249:in `create_or_update' > > /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activerecord-1.13.0/lib/ > > active_record/base.rb:1231:in `save_without_validation' > > /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activerecord-1.13.0/lib/ > > active_record/validations.rb:687:in `save_without_transactions' > > /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activerecord-1.13.0/lib/ > > active_record/transactions.rb:126:in `save' > > /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activerecord-1.13.0/lib/ > > active_record/transactions.rb:126:in `transaction' > > /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activerecord-1.13.0/lib/ > > active_record/transactions.rb:91:in `transaction' > > /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activerecord-1.13.0/lib/ > > active_record/transactions.rb:118:in `transaction' > > /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activerecord-1.13.0/lib/ > > active_record/transactions.rb:126:in `save' > > /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionpack-1.11.0/lib/ > > action_controller/session/active_record_store.rb:294:in `update' > > /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionpack-1.11.0/lib/ > > action_controller/session/active_record_store.rb:294:in `silence' > > /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionpack-1.11.0/lib/ > > action_controller/session/active_record_store.rb:294:in `update' > > ... > > _______________________________________________ > > Typo-list mailing list > > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > -- Man Wit Da Plan. From kuba at lbl.pl Thu Dec 22 06:23:44 2005 From: kuba at lbl.pl (KubaTyszko) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:23:44 +0100 Subject: [typo] rubyforge.org overloaded or what ? Message-ID: <20051222112344.GB20856@lbl.pl> hi all. i just spotted that my posts appear on the list after even few days since sent. here is header part of some mail: Received: from rubyforge.org (dsl092-150-242.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.150.242]) by roztocze.com.pl (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jBLN4ZQu017578 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 00:04:36 +0100 <---------- Received: from rubyforge.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by rubyforge.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id jBLMoQe9023369; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 17:51:06 -0500 <---------------------------- Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.196]) by rubyforge.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id jBLMoOe6023364 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 17:50:25 -0500<- Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i21so239646wra for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 15:00:53 -0800<- (PST) seems like rubyforge.org does not hurry too much with delivering those mails..... From kuba at lbl.pl Thu Dec 22 07:27:44 2005 From: kuba at lbl.pl (KubaTyszko) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:27:44 +0100 Subject: [typo] multiple blogs in typo ? Message-ID: <20051222122744.GA17163@lbl.pl> hi. few days ago i had typo downloaded from typo site (not trunk) and after tweaks from sg.valicode.at i managed to support multible databases depending on domain part. now i have latest typo from trunk, and it seems that a lot has changed that makes it uneasy for me to get multiple db support. i found file application.rb and tweaked it as in howto but there is no mentioned lines in environment.fb, moreover, when i grepped whole typo directory i could not even find any file that reads database.yml (which obviously should be read by domething). can anyone help with this ? From kuba at lbl.pl Thu Dec 22 08:34:31 2005 From: kuba at lbl.pl (KubaTyszko) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:34:31 +0100 Subject: [typo] multiple blogs in typo ? Message-ID: <20051222133431.GB17163@lbl.pl> hi. few days ago i had typo downloaded from typo site (not trunk) and after tweaks from sg.valicode.at i managed to support multible databases depending on domain part. now i have latest typo from trunk, and it seems that a lot has changed that makes it uneasy for me to get multiple db support. i found file application.rb and tweaked it as in howto but there is no mentioned lines in environment.fb, moreover, when i grepped whole typo directory i could not even find any file that reads database.yml (which obviously should be read by domething). can anyone help with this ? From facedown at mac.com Thu Dec 22 10:14:46 2005 From: facedown at mac.com (Kevin Hartwig) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 07:14:46 -0800 Subject: [typo] multiple blogs in typo ? In-Reply-To: <20051222133431.GB17163@lbl.pl> References: <20051222133431.GB17163@lbl.pl> Message-ID: I don't think the trunk has a database.yml file. You might look in the config directory for a database.yaml.sample that you can adapt and rename to database.yml. On Dec 22, 2005, at 5:34 AM, KubaTyszko wrote: > hi. > few days ago i had typo downloaded from typo site (not trunk) and > after > tweaks from sg.valicode.at i managed to support multible databases > depending on domain part. > > now i have latest typo from trunk, and it seems that a lot has changed > that makes it uneasy for me to get multiple db support. > i found file application.rb and tweaked it as in howto but there is no > mentioned lines in environment.fb, moreover, when i grepped whole typo > directory i could not even find any file that reads database.yml > (which > obviously should be read by domething). > > can anyone help with this ? > > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list From aaron at munge.net Thu Dec 22 10:29:02 2005 From: aaron at munge.net (Aaron Malone) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 09:29:02 -0600 Subject: [typo] rubyforge.org overloaded or what ? In-Reply-To: <20051222112344.GB20856@lbl.pl> References: <20051222112344.GB20856@lbl.pl> Message-ID: <43AAC63E.4020302@munge.net> KubaTyszko wrote, On 12/22/2005 05:23 AM: > here is header part of some mail: I think you're disregarding the time zones. I'm going to reverse the headers below, since Received headers are read from the bottom up. > Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i21so239646wra > for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 15:00:53 > -0800 (PST) Gmail's outbound server picks up the message you've composed at around 23:00 GMT. > Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.196]) > by rubyforge.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id jBLMoOe6023364 > for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 17:50:25 > -0500 Rubyforge receives the message from Gmail at about 22:50 GMT (note that we have gone back in time; someone's clock is a little off). > Received: from rubyforge.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) > by rubyforge.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id jBLMoQe9023369; > Wed, 21 Dec 2005 17:51:06 -0500 Rubyforge sends a new copy through the mailing list software one minute later (22:51 GMT). > Received: from rubyforge.org (dsl092-150-242.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net > [66.92.150.242]) > by roztocze.com.pl (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jBLN4ZQu017578 > for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 00:04:36 +0100 You receive your copy at 23:04 GMT; approximately 13 minutes after it was processed by the list, though it's hard to be precise because of possible clock drift. It's not instant, perhaps, but given the amount of traffic I expect they have to deal with, it's certainly not bad. -- Aaron Malone aaron at munge.net From jens at mooseyard.com Thu Dec 22 14:11:31 2005 From: jens at mooseyard.com (Jens Alfke) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:11:31 -0800 Subject: [typo] Anyone planning to add these features? (Registration / tagging / emails) Message-ID: <1329F373-1064-4B09-AE95-7ADFB848DFB4@mooseyard.com> After my misadventure with sqlite, I reconfigured Typo to use MySQL and now it works fine. There are a few features missing that I really want, though; are these in the works? * Ability for people to register their own accounts (optionally requiring admin approval) * Adding arbitrary tags to a post, with tags listed in sidebar and searchable. (Also I believe there is a microformat for declaring a post's tags to search engines?) * Email notification sent to commenters, of new comments. (Most BBSs support this. I'm aware that Typo has per-post RSS feeds, but IMHO email notifications work better because they don't require the user to configure anything.) I was halfway through setting up a Drupal site for my blog when I ran across Typo, and though Typo is lovely looking and I prefer Ruby to PHP, I think I will continue with Drupal since it offers these features. I am a programmer and I know some Ruby, but unfortunately I already have too many copious-spare-time projects to consider hacking these into Typo myself... --Jens From phil at cryer.us Thu Dec 22 14:24:26 2005 From: phil at cryer.us (phil) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:24:26 -0600 Subject: [typo] Anyone planning to add these features? (Registration /tagging / emails) In-Reply-To: 1329F373-1064-4B09-AE95-7ADFB848DFB4@mooseyard.com Message-ID: On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:11:31 -0800, Jens Alfke wrote: > * Email notification sent to commenters, of new comments. (Most BBSs > support this. I'm aware that Typo has per-post RSS feeds, but IMHO > email notifications work better because they don't require the user > to configure anything.) This is in CVS: Notification Typo can notify you when new articles or comments are posted Email address to use in From: field when Typo sends mail: Jabber account to use when sending Jabber notifications: Password for Jabber account: > I was halfway through setting up a Drupal site for my blog when I ran > across Typo, and though Typo is lovely looking and I prefer Ruby to > PHP, I think I will continue with Drupal since it offers these features. My old site (4 years of posts, and some comments) runs Drupal. It's more politically oriented (less personal) but I'd like to look into migrating it into Typo in the next month or so as I'm getting more confident with it. Plus I love Typo's themes now ;) P -- http://fak3r.com - you don't have to kick it From jens at mooseyard.com Thu Dec 22 15:42:40 2005 From: jens at mooseyard.com (Jens Alfke) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:42:40 -0800 Subject: [typo] Anyone planning to add these features? (Registration /tagging / emails) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 22 Dec '05, at 11:24 AM, phil wrote: > This is in CVS: > Notification > Typo can notify you when new articles or comments are posted > Email address to use in From: field when Typo sends mail: > Jabber account to use when sending Jabber notifications: > Password for Jabber account: Thanks ? but is this setup part of the account? If so, it won't meet my needs until self-registration of accounts is implemented. > My old site (4 years of posts, and some comments) runs Drupal. It's > more politically oriented (less personal) but I'd like to look into > migrating it into Typo in the next month or so as I'm getting more > confident with it. Plus I love Typo's themes now ;) The forum/BBS features of Drupal still seem quite a ways beyond what Typo is capable of, unless I'm missing something (I.e. users can create topics and multiple threads in topics, with permissions to govern who can post where.) --Jens -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/typo-list/attachments/20051222/973224c7/attachment.htm From scott at sigkill.org Thu Dec 22 15:56:46 2005 From: scott at sigkill.org (Scott Laird) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:56:46 -0800 Subject: [typo] Anyone planning to add these features? (Registration /tagging / emails) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <08ACDE34-3F61-46CE-B7F0-C9E0BD7DA502@sigkill.org> On Dec 22, 2005, at 12:42 PM, Jens Alfke wrote: > > On 22 Dec '05, at 11:24 AM, phil wrote: > >> This is in CVS: >> Notification >> Typo can notify you when new articles or comments are posted >> Email address to use in From: field when Typo sends mail: >> Jabber account to use when sending Jabber notifications: >> Password for Jabber account: > > Thanks ? but is this setup part of the account? If so, it won't > meet my needs until self-registration of accounts is implemented. That'll be there eventually. Hopefully sooner, but my schedule has been nutty lately, and I haven't had *any* time to touch Typo. Things should be better after this weekend. Scott -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On 12/22/05, Scott Laird wrote: > > > On Dec 22, 2005, at 12:42 PM, Jens Alfke wrote: > > > On 22 Dec '05, at 11:24 AM, phil wrote: > > This is in CVS: > Notification > Typo can notify you when new articles or comments are posted > Email address to use in From: field when Typo sends mail: > Jabber account to use when sending Jabber notifications: > Password for Jabber account: > > > Thanks ? but is this setup part of the account? If so, it won't meet my > needs until self-registration of accounts is implemented. > > > That'll be there eventually. Hopefully sooner, but my schedule has been > nutty lately, and I haven't had *any* time to touch Typo. Things should be > better after this weekend. > > > Scott > > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/typo-list/attachments/20051222/b9041864/attachment-0001.htm From justus at ryoohki.net Thu Dec 22 18:38:28 2005 From: justus at ryoohki.net (Justus Pendleton) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:38:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [typo] Anyone planning to add these features? (Registration /tagging / emails) References: Message-ID: On 2005-12-22, Jens Alfke wrote: > The forum/BBS features of Drupal still seem quite a ways beyond what > Typo is capable of That's probably because Typo is blog software, not forum/BBS software. >From drupal's website: "Drupal includes features to enable - content management systems - blogs - collaborative authoring environments - forums - picture galleries - file uploads and download and much more" >From typo's website: "Typo is a lean engine that makes blogging easy." I don't see typo and drupal as competitors in any way. They do different things with different goals. Typo doesn't pretend to be forum or BBS software. Justus From dusty.jewett at gmail.com Thu Dec 22 19:16:37 2005 From: dusty.jewett at gmail.com (Dusty Jewett) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:16:37 -0800 Subject: [typo] Typo Theme Contest Redux In-Reply-To: <43A94C25.4040103@i-marco.nl> References: <07BF397B-9040-431E-B65F-D77270A1ED59@gmail.com> <43A94C25.4040103@i-marco.nl> Message-ID: <939e27410512221616g65a41e42me26aa1d74b0a8848@mail.gmail.com> I too thought Lush should have finished much higher, but I think I know why the results ended up the way they did.... The designs that won are nice... If this were a contest on nicest looking blogs, I could see how the judges scored the way they did. However, I'm concerned that many of the designs that won are not suited to being themes, as they're rather unadaptable. So, I think the majority of the dismay comes from a mis-communication somewhere. I think this contest ended up being good for the community, if for no other reason than it got people showing off their themes. Any redux done now would be in poor taste, however, I do feel that once the userbase gets larger, and there is a site dedicated to themes, and the public can vote on themes, another contest would be helpful to bring in new themes. Speaking of, I know that Geoffrey had posted that the typogarden.com will continue hosting themes, I don't know if he's planning on maintaining it, or someone else will be, but I'm glad it's there as a resource, and hopefully the site can be developed into an easily accessible repository. On 12/21/05, Marco van Hylckama Vlieg wrote: > > Hi guys, > > I'm the author of 'Lush' so I feel an urge to respond here if you all > don't mind. > As some of you may know I've been royally pissed off by the results of > the Typo contest. > I've seen a month's hard work being beaten by half-finished, unpolished > themes that have been > whipped up in one or two days. I can honestly say that didn't feel very > nice. > > HOWEVER: This has absolutely nothing to do with Geoffrey, the sponsors > and / or anyone else > who helped organizing this contest. It has everything to do with a (I > still strongly feel like this) very > poor job done by the 'esteemed judges'. Even though I'm not 'a > professional designer' I can clearly > see these results don't make sense at all and many people (including > other professional designers) have > told me the same thing. Therefore I'm not saying 'the judges are > awesome', simply because they aren't, > no matter how big their names are. > I feel they haven't taken this contest seriously at all. A clear signal > of this observation is the total lack > of coverage of this contest on any of their websites. Not even a link, > nothing, zero, zip. > > I'm all for giving credit where credit's due but the judges aren't the > ones who should get much of that > when it comes to this contest. My credits go to Geoffrey and anyone else > who worked hard to > make this contest a reality. > > That said, even though I hated the contest results, I'm totally against > this whole petition thing. First of > all I believe what's done is done and secondly I believe it's damaging > to Typo, Geoffrey, the sponsors > and anyone else involved. Typo is a great piece of software, it's > community is totally awesome > and it really doesn't deserve this kind of bad publicity. Personally I > haven't heard anything of this > whole petition thing but if I do I'll tell whoever approaches me with it > that I don't agree with it. > I'm seeing sites powered by Lush popping up all over the world including > blog.leetsoft.com which > is an enormous honor to me. Probably even better than winning a > powerbook in the long run. > > Therefore I'm all in favor of letting this thing go and move on. I'll > post a notice on the Lush demo site > too. > > Thanks, > > Marco > > > > > thomas Aylott wrote: > > Woah there. I certainly hope that's not the case! > > > > Personally, I was surprised by the results. I thought Lush was going > > to get 2nd or 3rd. > > But, It would be pure insanity for anyone to complain about it at > > this point. The results are it. The winners have been chosen. The > > prizes have been given out. > > > > It comes down to this: The good themes will be used. The crappy > > themes won't be used. If you didn't win a prize and you DO get a > > bunch of people using your theme, what better prize could you have > > asked for? If you don't get anyone using your theme, maybe your theme > > sucks, let it go! Complaining about the results of a contest 23 days > > after it ended is not going to win you a lot of friends. > > > > The whole point of the contest was a HUGE success. We got like 150 > > new themes for Typo. We got a huge amount of publicity. We smoothed > > some of the rough edges in the way Typo handles themes in a new > > stable release. > > > > This has been totally awesome! > > > > I think everyone would agree that? it would take a serious loser to > > want to dowse the flames of success with the fetid pond scum of > > negativity. > > > > Don't worry Goeff, most people actually do appreciate what you'd done > > to make this contest work. The judges are awesome. You have put a > > serious amount of work into the Rails community and now the Typo > > community. > > > > All the 1337 hax0rs out there, lets give Geoff and everyone who > > submitted a Theme, all the judges, and all the sponsors... a huge > > round of applause! > > > > ? Thomas Aylott > > > > PS: Check out subtleGradient.com for the award-losing subtleTheme & > > subtleSpeed Typo 2.6 themes. ;) > > > > > > On Dec 20, 2005, at 4:59 PM, Geoffrey Grosenbach wrote: > > > > > >> From my vast network of informants I've heard reports that some > >> people are passing around a petition to complain about the results of > >> the Typo Theme Contest. > >> > >> I hope this is not true, but if such a petition does exist, please > >> inform the perpetrators that: > >> > >> * The contest was made possible by very generous sponsors, and > >> bothering them with your post-contest woes is not a good way to thank > >> them. > >> * No one was guaranteed to receive any prize. You should have been > >> motivated by a desire to improve Typo and to give back to the > >> community. > >> > >> I put at least 80-100 hours into the running of this contest and > >> never expected to receive anything in return. Tobias, Scott, Piers, > >> Patrick, and many others have put thousands of hours into the > >> development of Typo and have not received either a PowerBook or a > >> free pony for their efforts. > >> > >> > >> I really hope this is the last I hear of this and that we can move on > >> from the contest (which was a great success). However, please contact > >> me directly with any complaints. > >> > >> > >> Thank you, > >> > >> Geoffrey Grosenbach > >> boss at topfunky.com > >> IRC Nick: topfunky > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Typo-list mailing list > >> Typo-list at rubyforge.org > >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Typo-list mailing list > > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/typo-list/attachments/20051222/abf41918/attachment.htm From jennyw at dangerousideas.com Fri Dec 23 00:27:22 2005 From: jennyw at dangerousideas.com (jennyw) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 21:27:22 -0800 Subject: [typo] What revision is 2.6? Message-ID: <43AB8ABA.6020503@dangerousideas.com> If I want to install 2.6, but I want to install from svn (for later upgrading), what revision should I update to? Thanks! Jen From jennyw at dangerousideas.com Fri Dec 23 00:32:17 2005 From: jennyw at dangerousideas.com (jennyw) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 21:32:17 -0800 Subject: [typo] What revision is 2.6? In-Reply-To: <43AB8ABA.6020503@dangerousideas.com> References: <43AB8ABA.6020503@dangerousideas.com> Message-ID: <43AB8BE1.6070802@dangerousideas.com> Never mind, that was just a really dumb question. Can you tell I haven't been using tags in Subversion? ;-) Jen jennyw wrote: >If I want to install 2.6, but I want to install from svn (for later >upgrading), what revision should I update to? > >Thanks! > >Jen > >_______________________________________________ >Typo-list mailing list >Typo-list at rubyforge.org >http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > > > From jens at mooseyard.com Fri Dec 23 00:51:24 2005 From: jens at mooseyard.com (Jens Alfke) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 21:51:24 -0800 Subject: [typo] Bug in BrownType Message-ID: <413E9D17-D71A-48A0-B152-F2532B5F0682@mooseyard.com> I've found a bug in the BrownType theme, and I can't find an email address for Todd Ericksen anywhere, so I'll report it here; I hope no one minds. The theme won't display the 'extended content' of an entry. What you see on the permalink page is just the same as on the front page, so if you break your posts up with a short intro and the rest in the extended entry, the readers won't ever be able to see it. --Jens From jennyw at dangerousideas.com Fri Dec 23 11:45:40 2005 From: jennyw at dangerousideas.com (jennyw) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 08:45:40 -0800 Subject: [typo] Problems with API? Message-ID: <43AC29B4.9080808@dangerousideas.com> I've been trying to use the Performancing Firefox extension to post blog entries. It can read the blog entires okay, but it won't post. Turns out there's an error (I don't think it's Performancing, but I'm not sure). Before I delve into this further, I thought I'd ask to see if anyone else has encountered this. The funny thing is that when I look at the backtrace, it looks like the error occurs before it even hits Typo code. Here are the headers (captured by LiveHTTPHeaders). Following, I have the results of replaying the headers. http://jennyw.dangerousideas.com/backend/xmlrpc POST /backend/xmlrpc HTTP/1.1 Host: jennyw.dangerousideas.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8) Gecko/20051111 Firefox/1.5 Accept: text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,image/png,*/*;q=0.5 Accept-Language: en-us,en;q=0.5 Accept-Encoding: gzip,deflate Accept-Charset: ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7 Keep-Alive: 300 Connection: keep-alive Content-Type: text/xml Content-Length: 761 Pragma: no-cache Cache-Control: no-cache metaWeblog.newPost 1 user password title test description test true HTTP/1.x 500 Internal Server Error Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 16:28:35 GMT Server: lighttpd/1.4.8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Cache-Control: no-cache X-Powered-By: The blood, sweat and tears of the fine, fine TextDrive staff Served-By: TextDrive Connection: close Transfer-Encoding: chunked Internal protocol error: RPC-value of type boolean is wrong Backtrace: /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/xmlrpc/parser.rb:78:in `boolean' /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/xmlrpc/parser.rb:534:in `tag_end' /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/rexml/parsers/streamparser.rb:26:in `parse' /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/rexml/document.rb:171:in `parse_stream' /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/xmlrpc/parser.rb:722:in `parse' /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/xmlrpc/parser.rb:477:in `parseMethodCall' /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/xmlrpc/marshal.rb:63:in `load_call' /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/xmlrpc/marshal.rb:32:in `load_call' /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionwebservice-1.0.0/lib/action_web_service/protocol/xmlrpc_protocol.rb:36:in `decode_request' /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionwebservice-1.0.0/lib/action_web_service/protocol/xmlrpc_protocol.rb:32:in `decode_action_pack_request' /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionwebservice-1.0.0/lib/action_web_service/protocol/discovery.rb:20:in `discover_web_service_request' /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionwebservice-1.0.0/lib/action_web_service/protocol/discovery.rb:18:in `each' /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionwebservice-1.0.0/lib/action_web_service/protocol/discovery.rb:18:in `discover_web_service_request' /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionwebservice-1.0.0/lib/action_web_service/dispatcher/action_controller_dispatcher.rb:44:in `dispatch_web_service_request' (eval):1:in `xmlrpc' /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionpack-1.11.2/lib/action_controller/base.rb:853:in `send' /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionpack-1.11.2/lib/action_controller/base.rb:853:in `perform_action_without_filters' /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionpack-1.11.2/lib/action_controller/filters.rb:332:in `perform_action_without_benchmark' /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionpack-1.11.2/lib/action_controller/benchmarking.rb:69:in `perform_action_without_rescue' /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionpack-1.11.2/lib/action_controller/benchmarking.rb:69:in `measure' /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionpack-1.11.2/lib/action_controller/benchmarking.rb:69:in `perform_action_without_rescue' /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionpack-1.11.2/lib/action_controller/rescue.rb:82:in `perform_action' /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionpack-1.11.2/lib/action_controller/base.rb:369:in `send' /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionpack-1.11.2/lib/action_controller/base.rb:369:in `process_without_session_management_support' /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionpack-1.11.2/lib/action_controller/session_management.rb:116:in `process' /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/rails-1.0.0/lib/dispatcher.rb:38:in `dispatch' /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/rails-1.0.0/lib/fcgi_handler.rb:141:in `process_request' /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/rails-1.0.0/lib/fcgi_handler.rb:53:in `process!' /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/rails-1.0.0/lib/fcgi_handler.rb:52:in `each_cgi' /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fcgi-0.8.6.1/./fcgi.rb:597:in `each' /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fcgi-0.8.6.1/./fcgi.rb:597:in `each_cgi' /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/rails-1.0.0/lib/fcgi_handler.rb:52:in `process!' /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/rails-1.0.0/lib/fcgi_handler.rb:22:in `process!' /home/jennyw/sites/jennyw.dangerousideas.com/public/dispatch.fcgi:24 Thanks for any help! Jen From cwsaylor at gmail.com Fri Dec 23 12:32:10 2005 From: cwsaylor at gmail.com (Chris Saylor) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 12:32:10 -0500 Subject: [typo] Problems with API? In-Reply-To: <43AC29B4.9080808@dangerousideas.com> References: <43AC29B4.9080808@dangerousideas.com> Message-ID: This one got me too. I figured it out though and posted about it on my blog here: http://www.justhack.com/articles/2005/12/21/performancing-for-firefox-blogging-tool Basically, Performancing is passing over a value of "true" in the xmlrpc call, but xmlrpc/parser.rb is expecting a number value. Not sure if this is a problem in parser.rb or Performancing, but we have access to the parser.rb so I hacked it, see above blog post. -Chris On 12/23/05, jennyw wrote: > I've been trying to use the Performancing Firefox extension to post blog > entries. It can read the blog entires okay, but it won't post. Turns out > there's an error (I don't think it's Performancing, but I'm not sure). > Before I delve into this further, I thought I'd ask to see if anyone > else has encountered this. The funny thing is that when I look at the > backtrace, it looks like the error occurs before it even hits Typo code. > > Here are the headers (captured by LiveHTTPHeaders). Following, I have > the results of replaying the headers. > > http://jennyw.dangerousideas.com/backend/xmlrpc > > POST /backend/xmlrpc HTTP/1.1 > Host: jennyw.dangerousideas.com > User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8) > Gecko/20051111 Firefox/1.5 > Accept: > text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,image/png,*/*;q=0.5 > Accept-Language: en-us,en;q=0.5 > Accept-Encoding: gzip,deflate > Accept-Charset: ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7 > Keep-Alive: 300 > Connection: keep-alive > Content-Type: text/xml > Content-Length: 761 > Pragma: no-cache > Cache-Control: no-cache > > metaWeblog.newPost > > > > 1 > > > > > user > > > > > password > > > > > > > title > test > > > description > test > > > > > > > true > > > > > > HTTP/1.x 500 Internal Server Error > Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 16:28:35 GMT > Server: lighttpd/1.4.8 > Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 > Cache-Control: no-cache > X-Powered-By: The blood, sweat and tears of the fine, fine TextDrive staff > Served-By: TextDrive > Connection: close > Transfer-Encoding: chunked > > Internal protocol error: RPC-value of type boolean is wrong > Backtrace: > /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/xmlrpc/parser.rb:78:in `boolean' > /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/xmlrpc/parser.rb:534:in `tag_end' > /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/rexml/parsers/streamparser.rb:26:in `parse' > /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/rexml/document.rb:171:in `parse_stream' > /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/xmlrpc/parser.rb:722:in `parse' > /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/xmlrpc/parser.rb:477:in `parseMethodCall' > /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/xmlrpc/marshal.rb:63:in `load_call' > /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/xmlrpc/marshal.rb:32:in `load_call' > /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionwebservice-1.0.0/lib/action_web_service/protocol/xmlrpc_protocol.rb:36:in > `decode_request' > /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionwebservice-1.0.0/lib/action_web_service/protocol/xmlrpc_protocol.rb:32:in > `decode_action_pack_request' > /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionwebservice-1.0.0/lib/action_web_service/protocol/discovery.rb:20:in > `discover_web_service_request' > /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionwebservice-1.0.0/lib/action_web_service/protocol/discovery.rb:18:in > `each' > /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionwebservice-1.0.0/lib/action_web_service/protocol/discovery.rb:18:in > `discover_web_service_request' > /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionwebservice-1.0.0/lib/action_web_service/dispatcher/action_controller_dispatcher.rb:44:in > `dispatch_web_service_request' > (eval):1:in `xmlrpc' > /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionpack-1.11.2/lib/action_controller/base.rb:853:in > `send' > /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionpack-1.11.2/lib/action_controller/base.rb:853:in > `perform_action_without_filters' > /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionpack-1.11.2/lib/action_controller/filters.rb:332:in > `perform_action_without_benchmark' > /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionpack-1.11.2/lib/action_controller/benchmarking.rb:69:in > `perform_action_without_rescue' > /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionpack-1.11.2/lib/action_controller/benchmarking.rb:69:in > `measure' > /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionpack-1.11.2/lib/action_controller/benchmarking.rb:69:in > `perform_action_without_rescue' > /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionpack-1.11.2/lib/action_controller/rescue.rb:82:in > `perform_action' > /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionpack-1.11.2/lib/action_controller/base.rb:369:in > `send' > /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionpack-1.11.2/lib/action_controller/base.rb:369:in > `process_without_session_management_support' > /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionpack-1.11.2/lib/action_controller/session_management.rb:116:in > `process' > /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/rails-1.0.0/lib/dispatcher.rb:38:in > `dispatch' > /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/rails-1.0.0/lib/fcgi_handler.rb:141:in > `process_request' > /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/rails-1.0.0/lib/fcgi_handler.rb:53:in > `process!' > /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/rails-1.0.0/lib/fcgi_handler.rb:52:in > `each_cgi' > /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fcgi-0.8.6.1/./fcgi.rb:597:in `each' > /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fcgi-0.8.6.1/./fcgi.rb:597:in `each_cgi' > /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/rails-1.0.0/lib/fcgi_handler.rb:52:in > `process!' > /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/rails-1.0.0/lib/fcgi_handler.rb:22:in > `process!' > /home/jennyw/sites/jennyw.dangerousideas.com/public/dispatch.fcgi:24 > > Thanks for any help! > > Jen > > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > From jennyw at dangerousideas.com Fri Dec 23 12:42:09 2005 From: jennyw at dangerousideas.com (jennyw) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 09:42:09 -0800 Subject: [typo] Problems with API? In-Reply-To: References: <43AC29B4.9080808@dangerousideas.com> Message-ID: <43AC36F1.8000304@dangerousideas.com> Chris Saylor wrote: >This one got me too. I figured it out though and posted about it on my >blog here: > >http://www.justhack.com/articles/2005/12/21/performancing-for-firefox-blogging-tool > > Great! Thanks! I'll try it out. Jen From dusty.jewett at gmail.com Fri Dec 23 17:49:12 2005 From: dusty.jewett at gmail.com (Dusty Jewett) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 14:49:12 -0800 Subject: [typo] What revision is 2.6? In-Reply-To: <43AB8BE1.6070802@dangerousideas.com> References: <43AB8ABA.6020503@dangerousideas.com> <43AB8BE1.6070802@dangerousideas.com> Message-ID: <939e27410512231449p18086eabse8ec90759a36bcf4@mail.gmail.com> The tags version of 2_6_0 isn't right Someone mentioned it on the list, I think it's 747? On 12/22/05, jennyw wrote: > > Never mind, that was just a really dumb question. Can you tell I haven't > been using tags in Subversion? ;-) > > Jen > > > jennyw wrote: > > >If I want to install 2.6, but I want to install from svn (for later > >upgrading), what revision should I update to? > > > >Thanks! > > > >Jen > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Typo-list mailing list > >Typo-list at rubyforge.org > >http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/typo-list/attachments/20051223/d2683d5f/attachment.htm From daejuan at gmail.com Sun Dec 25 13:01:53 2005 From: daejuan at gmail.com (Daejuan Jacobs) Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 12:01:53 -0600 Subject: [typo] sqlite "database is locked" exceptions In-Reply-To: References: <7158B3C8-2CBD-4482-B552-4294F256D63D@mooseyard.com> Message-ID: <93b350310512251001r14f5691br2bcba50532c2499a@mail.gmail.com> As of Rails 0.14. ActiveRecord::Migration supports SQLite. Rails 1.0 supports migrations on MySQL, PostgreSQL, SQLite, SQL Server, and Oracle. On 12/21/05, Justus Pendleton wrote: > On 2005-12-21, Jens Alfke wrote: > > And yes, I will work around this by setting up mysql instead. I just > > hate having to configure some lumbering industrial-strength db server > > with its own account setup, just to run one little blog :) > > rails (or typo, at least) doesn't support migrations with sqlite, AFAIK. > So you're really stuck using postgres/mysql with typo in any case, > unless you want to perform your migrations by hand :( > > Justus > > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list > -- Man Wit Da Plan. From rodgerd at diaspora.gen.nz Tue Dec 27 01:28:04 2005 From: rodgerd at diaspora.gen.nz (Rodger Donaldson) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:28:04 +1300 Subject: [typo] Typo 2.6, Firefox 1.0.7 Message-ID: <20051227062804.GA11620@diaspora.gen.nz> It appears there's a problem around cookies and article/comment creation dates; I've noticed if I'm in the same browser session for a few days my create times will be waaay in the past for both comments and articles. I can change the latter when creating the article, but the comments are more problematic and it leads to wierd ordering problems. Is this a known problem fixed in svn, or should a raise a ticket and poke about? -- Rodger Donaldson rodgerd at diaspora.gen.nz After what Turing did to help win the war, the British government should have provided him with his own unit of lithe and willing young sailors. -- pjdoland From kuba at lbl.pl Tue Dec 27 04:51:45 2005 From: kuba at lbl.pl (KubaTyszko) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:51:45 +0100 Subject: [typo] multiple blogs in typo ? In-Reply-To: References: <20051222133431.GB17163@lbl.pl> Message-ID: <20051227095145.GA8658@lbl.pl> On Thu, Dec 22, 2005 at 07:14:46AM -0800, Kevin Hartwig wrote: > I don't think the trunk has a database.yml file. You might look in > the config directory for a database.yaml.sample that you can adapt > and rename to database.yml. > > On Dec 22, 2005, at 5:34 AM, KubaTyszko wrote: > > >hi. > >few days ago i had typo downloaded from typo site (not trunk) and > >after > >tweaks from sg.valicode.at i managed to support multible databases > >depending on domain part. > > > >now i have latest typo from trunk, and it seems that a lot has changed > >that makes it uneasy for me to get multiple db support. > >i found file application.rb and tweaked it as in howto but there is no > >mentioned lines in environment.fb, moreover, when i grepped whole typo > >directory i could not even find any file that reads database.yml > >(which > >obviously should be read by domething). > > > >can anyone help with this ? > > i did create this file and typo works for me but i can't even find anything that reads this database.yml file ..... From justus at ryoohki.net Tue Dec 27 13:03:40 2005 From: justus at ryoohki.net (Justus Pendleton) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:03:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [typo] multiple blogs in typo ? References: <20051222133431.GB17163@lbl.pl> <20051227095145.GA8658@lbl.pl> Message-ID: On 2005-12-27, KubaTyszko wrote: > i did create this file and typo works for me but i can't even find > anything that reads this database.yml file ..... I would expect that rails does the reading, not typo. Justus From keo at goa.hu Tue Dec 27 13:57:43 2005 From: keo at goa.hu (Barnabas Debreczeni) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:57:43 +0100 Subject: [typo] adding acls Message-ID: <60110f460512271057x61aef630kde3d718dfe1e8ce1@mail.gmail.com> hi there to everyone on the list :) i just made my fresh install of typo 2.6.0 and finally it works. had to do a complete ports upgrade, replace apache 1.3 with 2.0, etc. have been doing it whole day but it was worth it ;) i am writing because i would like to add basic acl functionality, with 3 basic roles (admin/writer/editor) and also i wouldn't like to expose a few things to writers/editors in the admin. i am quite new to rails, have been playing around with it the last week or so, and would like to ask your help in setting me on the right path - where should i look first? what should be an acl handling module be? a helper, a component, or what? :) thanks for the help! b. From paulrbrown at gmail.com Wed Dec 28 23:23:46 2005 From: paulrbrown at gmail.com (Paul R Brown) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:23:46 -0800 Subject: [typo] Feedburner integration? Message-ID: <406BAB3C-BA12-464D-A8E4-487DD09479B4@gmail.com> Hola -- Has anyone implemented Feedburner integration? I've got a sidebar implemented that will poopulate the counter chicklet plus some autosubscribe chicklets, but I'm having a little trouble unraveling the design for feed autodiscovery to the point that I'm comfortable changing it. Any thoughts? -- Paul Brown http://mult.ifario.us From smountcastle at gmail.com Thu Dec 29 17:24:21 2005 From: smountcastle at gmail.com (Sean Mountcastle) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 22:24:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [typo] multiple blogs in typo ? References: <20051222122744.GA17163@lbl.pl> Message-ID: Kuba > now i have latest typo from trunk, and it seems that a lot has changed > that makes it uneasy for me to get multiple db support. > i found file application.rb and tweaked it as in howto but there is no > mentioned lines in environment.fb, moreover, when i grepped whole typo > directory i could not even find any file that reads database.yml (which > obviously should be read by domething). Is there a reason you want to use a different database for each Typo weblog? I've been working on supporting multiple blogs in a single Typo install by adding a new table (Accounts) and adding account_id columns to many of the existing tables (via a migration). I followed the HowTo [1] in the RoR Wiki and modified application.rb (which I assume is the same one you followed). The only issue I ran into was with ConfigManager ... the ApplicationHelper.render_file method forces the ConfigManager to be initialized (which causes it to reload settings) because it needs the theme settings when configuring the search path. I don't have a good solution for this issue yet (I'd appreciate help from anyone on the list who knows the ConfigManager well), but the workaround I did was to comment out the call to reload in ConfigManager.initialize and modified ConfigManager.reload to take an account parameter. Then in ApplicationController.reload_settings I pass the account into config.reload (this is the account variable that was set via the before_filter as per the HowTo). Hope that helps, Sean [1] http://wiki.rubyonrails.com/rails/pages/HowToUseSubdomainsAsAccountKeys From uzair at nairang.org Fri Dec 30 19:55:24 2005 From: uzair at nairang.org (Syed Uzair Aqeel) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:55:24 -0000 Subject: [typo] Filtered/password-protected blogs Message-ID: <20051231005515.0737D200B2@aaa.dreamhost.com> I noticed the Typo wishlist at http://typo.leetsoft.com/trac/wiki/TypoWishlist mentions 'satellite blogs', which would allow one to publish specific categories as a sub-blog. Does anyone know if this is being actively worked on? I'm also specifically interested in password-protecting blog entries, or maybe whole categories. This could be accomplished by a satellite blog sitting behind .htaccess protection...but of course it'd be cooler if I could define categories in Typo that could only be viewed if the reader logs in. Any thought appreciated, cheers. Uzair From chris at codeintensity.com Fri Dec 30 23:57:33 2005 From: chris at codeintensity.com (Chris Bailey) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:57:33 -0800 Subject: [typo] Ecto not working for me - can't post, need help Message-ID: <3c7afabe0512302057t5fb8e9dh8d3e7907fd0c8d3b@mail.gmail.com> I have used ecto 2.4.1 (I've tried older ones as well) as my blog authoring client in the past with typo, but I can't get it to work these days. I'm using the latest SVN (or, at least 801 as of this writing) of typo. When I try to post from ecto (Mac), I get an error (when using the MovableType API) that says: Server returned an error! Method "mt.setPostCategories" produced a server error: "Couldn't find Article with ID=". If I use the Metaweblog API, I get basically the same thing: Server returned an error! Method "metaWeblog.getPost" produced a server error: "Couldn't find Article with ID=". Is anyone else seeing this? Do I have something misconfigured or? -- Chris Bailey chris.bailey at gmail.com From chris at codeintensity.com Sat Dec 31 00:08:07 2005 From: chris at codeintensity.com (Chris Bailey) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:08:07 -0800 Subject: [typo] Ecto not working for me - can't post, need help In-Reply-To: <3c7afabe0512302057t5fb8e9dh8d3e7907fd0c8d3b@mail.gmail.com> References: <3c7afabe0512302057t5fb8e9dh8d3e7907fd0c8d3b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3c7afabe0512302108j1b066545ub005ab1aa90360ee@mail.gmail.com> My apologies for the premature send. I now/also tried posting from the web admin interface of typo, and got an error: 1 error prohibited this article from being saved There were problems with the following fields: Guid has already been taken I have recently done some big upgrades/migrates (was on 47x now on 801), and had some trouble along the way. I thought everything was fixed up, but obviously not. I see that this has been brought up somewhat recently (Nov 30) on the list (http://www.mail-archive.com/typo-list at rubyforge.org/msg01069.html), but there was no reply. Tom or anyone, was there a resolution? On 12/30/05, Chris Bailey wrote: > I have used ecto 2.4.1 (I've tried older ones as well) as my blog > authoring client in the past with typo, but I can't get it to work > these days. I'm using the latest SVN (or, at least 801 as of this > writing) of typo. When I try to post from ecto (Mac), I get an error > (when using the MovableType API) that says: > > Server returned an error! > Method "mt.setPostCategories" produced a server error: "Couldn't > find Article with ID=". > > If I use the Metaweblog API, I get basically the same thing: > > Server returned an error! > Method "metaWeblog.getPost" produced a server error: "Couldn't find > Article with ID=". > > Is anyone else seeing this? Do I have something misconfigured or? > > -- > Chris Bailey > chris.bailey at gmail.com > -- Chris Bailey chris.bailey at gmail.com From luigi.rizzo at gmail.com Sat Dec 31 04:58:27 2005 From: luigi.rizzo at gmail.com (Luigi Rizzo) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:58:27 +0100 Subject: [typo] about the hemingway theme Message-ID: <1c7fecb90512310158x3f0d479cv3d0126ddab303e7@mail.gmail.com> hello. i found the hemingway theme very nice. unfortunately, by using the current typo stable release (downloaded yesterday from the typo web site) when clicking on the name or "read on" i get NoMethodError in Articles#permalink Showing themes/hemingway/views/articles/read.rhtml where line #14 raised: undefined method `article_html' for #<#:0x36493e8> do you have any suggestions on how to proceed? thanks --L From uzair at nairang.org Sat Dec 31 08:37:57 2005 From: uzair at nairang.org (Syed Uzair Aqeel) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:37:57 -0000 Subject: [typo] about the hemingway theme In-Reply-To: <1c7fecb90512310158x3f0d479cv3d0126ddab303e7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20051231133800.78E811617A2@faceman.dreamhost.com> Hi Luigi -- I've been seeing a couple of weird issues with my Hemingway-coated blog recently too. It's completely inexplicable to me because I haven't updated either Hemingway or Typo recently. Anyway, Kyla has an update to the theme here: http://warpspire.com/files/hemingway.zip Cheers, U. > -----Original Message----- > From: typo-list-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:typo-list- > bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Luigi Rizzo > Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 9:58 AM > To: typo-list at rubyforge.org > Subject: [typo] about the hemingway theme > > hello. i found the hemingway theme very nice. unfortunately, by using > the current typo stable release (downloaded yesterday from the typo > web site) when clicking on the name or "read on" i get > > NoMethodError in Articles#permalink > Showing themes/hemingway/views/articles/read.rhtml where line #14 raised: > undefined method `article_html' for #<#:0x36493e8> > > do you have any suggestions on how to proceed? > > thanks > > --L > > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list From scott at sigkill.org Sat Dec 31 10:26:02 2005 From: scott at sigkill.org (Scott Laird) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 07:26:02 -0800 Subject: [typo] Ecto not working for me - can't post, need help In-Reply-To: <3c7afabe0512302108j1b066545ub005ab1aa90360ee@mail.gmail.com> References: <3c7afabe0512302057t5fb8e9dh8d3e7907fd0c8d3b@mail.gmail.com> <3c7afabe0512302108j1b066545ub005ab1aa90360ee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <32390EE4-EB86-45C8-9C7E-DE00AEBB6B16@sigkill.org> On Dec 30, 2005, at 9:08 PM, Chris Bailey wrote: > My apologies for the premature send. I now/also tried posting from > the web admin interface of typo, and got an error: > > 1 error prohibited this article from being saved > There were problems with the following fields: > Guid has already been taken > > I have recently done some big upgrades/migrates (was on 47x now on > 801), and had some trouble along the way. I thought everything was > fixed up, but obviously not. I see that this has been brought up > somewhat recently (Nov 30) on the list > (http://www.mail-archive.com/typo-list at rubyforge.org/msg01069.html), > but there was no reply. Tom or anyone, was there a resolution? Try this from ./script/console: Article.find(:all).each do |a| a.save if a.guid.blank? end Scott From freedom at freedomdumlao.com Sat Dec 31 10:33:51 2005 From: freedom at freedomdumlao.com (Freedom Dumlao) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:33:51 -0500 Subject: [typo] getUsersBlogs Message-ID: <63E692DE-5B60-41B0-9FFC-401981D5B0FB@freedomdumlao.com> Has anything new been done on the MetaWeblog or Blogger API to get this implemented? From scott at sigkill.org Sat Dec 31 10:40:29 2005 From: scott at sigkill.org (Scott Laird) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 07:40:29 -0800 Subject: [typo] getUsersBlogs In-Reply-To: <63E692DE-5B60-41B0-9FFC-401981D5B0FB@freedomdumlao.com> References: <63E692DE-5B60-41B0-9FFC-401981D5B0FB@freedomdumlao.com> Message-ID: <6476130E-621F-460C-BCC3-72B168D9B3BA@sigkill.org> It's been a slow month. I'd really like to get a few fixes integrated, but something bizarre is going on with Ruby on my laptop; once I get Ruby working again I'll start working through the backlog of patches. Scott On Dec 31, 2005, at 7:33 AM, Freedom Dumlao wrote: > Has anything new been done on the MetaWeblog or Blogger API to get > this implemented? > > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list From chris at codeintensity.com Sat Dec 31 11:26:58 2005 From: chris at codeintensity.com (Chris Bailey) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 08:26:58 -0800 Subject: [typo] Ecto not working for me - can't post, need help In-Reply-To: <32390EE4-EB86-45C8-9C7E-DE00AEBB6B16@sigkill.org> References: <3c7afabe0512302057t5fb8e9dh8d3e7907fd0c8d3b@mail.gmail.com> <3c7afabe0512302108j1b066545ub005ab1aa90360ee@mail.gmail.com> <32390EE4-EB86-45C8-9C7E-DE00AEBB6B16@sigkill.org> Message-ID: <3c7afabe0512310826t6f4ae7dcoaade9db994f5f64c@mail.gmail.com> On 12/31/05, Scott Laird wrote: > > On Dec 30, 2005, at 9:08 PM, Chris Bailey wrote: > > > My apologies for the premature send. I now/also tried posting from > > the web admin interface of typo, and got an error: > > > > 1 error prohibited this article from being saved > > There were problems with the following fields: > > Guid has already been taken > > > > I have recently done some big upgrades/migrates (was on 47x now on > > 801), and had some trouble along the way. I thought everything was > > fixed up, but obviously not. I see that this has been brought up > > somewhat recently (Nov 30) on the list > > (http://www.mail-archive.com/typo-list at rubyforge.org/msg01069.html), > > but there was no reply. Tom or anyone, was there a resolution? > > Try this from ./script/console: > > Article.find(:all).each do |a| > a.save if a.guid.blank? > end > That didn't fix it (it did seem to echo each entry out to the console though). I checked the DB and the guid column for for the content table has most entries still null. Also, I have a completely empty articles table, is that right? From urban at bettong.net Sat Dec 31 12:15:56 2005 From: urban at bettong.net (Urban Hafner) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:15:56 +0100 Subject: [typo] No tags for article displayed anymore Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hej, since a short while the tags I give to an article aren't displayed anymore. This happens only with new articles. Maybe this might be because Textdrive (where the blog is hosted) moved to rails 1.0.0? You can see what I mean at http://bettong.net. The last two articles are missing the tags, even though they are present in the database and when looking at the edit view in the admin controller the tags are present there, too. So it seems to be a display problem. The tags are also missing in the tag view. For example http:// bettong.net/articles/2005/12/22/how-to-reboot-and-ipod is tagged with 'ipod' but http://bettong.net/articles/tag/ipod doesn't find any posts with that tag. Oh, I'm running typo rev 801. Urban - -- http://bettong.net - Urban's Blog -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (Darwin) iD8DBQFDtrzUggNuVCIrEyURAsVUAKCscJEo9qjbVB2RFTG7XwLmvH6rAQCgmwgi JXZTlG1fLykBQQKOQcifY7M= =6G8K -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From typo-list at jasonbainbridge.com Sat Dec 31 12:21:15 2005 From: typo-list at jasonbainbridge.com (Jason Bainbridge) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:21:15 -0600 Subject: [typo] No tags for article displayed anymore In-Reply-To: CFF96114-9C4D-46F3-8F5A-021646611974@bettong.net Message-ID: It is a known (and patched I might add) bug with Rails 1.0.0 as per http://dev.rubyonrails.org/ticket/3213 I really am surprised they haven't released a new minor version as it is a pretty critical bug. Regards, Jason On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:15:56 +0100, Urban Hafner wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hej, > since a short while the tags I give to an article aren't displayed > anymore. This happens only with new articles. > > Maybe this might be because Textdrive (where the blog is hosted) > moved to rails 1.0.0? > > You can see what I mean at http://bettong.net. The last two articles > are missing the tags, even though they are present in the database > and when looking at the edit view in the admin controller the tags > are present there, too. So it seems to be a display problem. > > The tags are also missing in the tag view. For example http:// > bettong.net/articles/2005/12/22/how-to-reboot-and-ipod is tagged with > 'ipod' but http://bettong.net/articles/tag/ipod doesn't find any > posts with that tag. > > Oh, I'm running typo rev 801. > > Urban > - -- > http://bettong.net - Urban's Blog > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (Darwin) > > iD8DBQFDtrzUggNuVCIrEyURAsVUAKCscJEo9qjbVB2RFTG7XwLmvH6rAQCgmwgi > JXZTlG1fLykBQQKOQcifY7M= > =6G8K > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Typo-list mailing list > Typo-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/typo-list From patrick at lenz.sh Sat Dec 31 12:22:29 2005 From: patrick at lenz.sh (Patrick Lenz) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:22:29 +0100 Subject: [typo] No tags for article displayed anymore In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Urban, > since a short while the tags I give to an article aren't displayed > anymore. This happens only with new articles. About 18 seconds ago I committed a potential fix to subversion. Please try to upgrade to 804 and see if that fixes your problem. Thanks, -- Patrick Lenz (scoop) http://poocs.net/ # Personal Weblog http://limited-overload.de/ # Web application development http://freshmeat.net/ # Free software archive http://topmedia.de/ # IT Storage Solutions From smountcastle at gmail.com Sat Dec 31 18:10:00 2005 From: smountcastle at gmail.com (Sean Mountcastle) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 23:10:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [typo] multiple blogs in typo ? References: <20051222122744.GA17163@lbl.pl> Message-ID: > The only issue I ran into was with ConfigManager ... the > ApplicationHelper.render_file method forces the ConfigManager to be > initialized (which causes it to reload settings) because it needs the theme > settings when configuring the search path. I don't have a good solution > for this issue yet (I'd appreciate help from anyone on the list who knows > the ConfigManager well), but the workaround I did was to comment out > the call to reload in ConfigManager.initialize and modified > ConfigManager.reload to take an account parameter. I resolved my issue and now have settings/configuration info separated on a per blog basis. I had to modify every place where config was called so that the account id was passed in as well as the setting name. In application_helper I modified config_value as follows and tried to use that where ever possible: def config_value(name) c = config(@controller.account) c[name] end The next issue I ran into was theme support, so that each blog was able to use its own theme. I had to modify ThemeController, ThemesController and the theme model but it's still not quite working yet (from the HTTP GET requests it looks like it's looking for the themes in public/stylesheets/theme/). I'll send mail once I get themes working for multiple blogs. Regards, Sean