From petermichaux at gmail.com  Wed May  3 21:12:32 2006
From: petermichaux at gmail.com (Peter Michaux)
Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 18:12:32 -0700
Subject: [Storerb-devel] Store.rb project alive, anyone out there?
Message-ID: <3cbaf1c80605031812v10345989v28b5cd98e467fae5@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I've been working over the last few weeks on the store.rb code in the
characters branch of svn[1]. I've committed components from a real
online store that just launched successfully yesterday that was based
on a previous version of Characters. I think the Characters storefront
in svn now has all the features I would like to see in the first
release for the project. The code needs polish and there are some
tickets related to the roughest spots[2]. If anyone would like to help
improve the storefront code (models, views and controller) please
reply to this message.

The admin side of things is a different story. I want this to be quite
advanced and for store administration to be relatively fun to do. The
upcoming Rails armaggedon technology might be a big help. If anyone
downloads characters from svn and wants to get a rough look at what is
going on in the admin side I can write up which things to click to see
the idea. I think that the current store front is complex enough to
make the admin side meaty enough for real development that will be
sustainable style as the project grows.

Peter

[1] svn checkout svn://trac.vaillant.ca/store.rb/branches/characters
[2] http://trac.vaillant.ca/store.rb/report/1


From petermichaux at gmail.com  Wed May  3 21:15:10 2006
From: petermichaux at gmail.com (Peter Michaux)
Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 18:15:10 -0700
Subject: [Storerb-devel] How would you use store.rb code?
Message-ID: <3cbaf1c80605031815t336b5341g156c78e767a7611c@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I've been thinking about how I will use store.rb code in the future.
After already using the store.rb code once and heavily modifying it, I
think that the code will mostly be used as a scaffold (something like
ruby script/generate onlinestore characters). After modification
begins (even just templates) it would be quite hard to upgrade to a
new version of the store.rb code for an existing site.

How would you use the code?

Peter


From haibhoang at gmail.com  Wed May  3 22:34:00 2006
From: haibhoang at gmail.com (Hai Hoang)
Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 21:34:00 -0500
Subject: [Storerb-devel] Store.rb project alive, anyone out there?
In-Reply-To: <3cbaf1c80605031812v10345989v28b5cd98e467fae5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3cbaf1c80605031812v10345989v28b5cd98e467fae5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <378417920605031934n22907673r361523410aae52f6@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I want to be part of this project and I want to help out as much as
possible.  I reviewed the Characters db and others.  The next step I want to
do is download the code and working on whatever is needed.

Thank you,
Hai

On 5/3/06, Peter Michaux <petermichaux at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I've been working over the last few weeks on the store.rb code in the
> characters branch of svn[1]. I've committed components from a real
> online store that just launched successfully yesterday that was based
> on a previous version of Characters. I think the Characters storefront
> in svn now has all the features I would like to see in the first
> release for the project. The code needs polish and there are some
> tickets related to the roughest spots[2]. If anyone would like to help
> improve the storefront code (models, views and controller) please
> reply to this message.
>
> The admin side of things is a different story. I want this to be quite
> advanced and for store administration to be relatively fun to do. The
> upcoming Rails armaggedon technology might be a big help. If anyone
> downloads characters from svn and wants to get a rough look at what is
> going on in the admin side I can write up which things to click to see
> the idea. I think that the current store front is complex enough to
> make the admin side meaty enough for real development that will be
> sustainable style as the project grows.
>
> Peter
>
> [1] svn checkout svn://trac.vaillant.ca/store.rb/branches/characters
> [2] http://trac.vaillant.ca/store.rb/report/1
>
> _______________________________________________
> Storerb-devel mailing list: Storerb-devel at rubyforge.org
> Project site: http://trac.vaillant.ca/store.rb
>



--
Thanks,

Hai Hoang
(281) 804-3490
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From petermichaux at gmail.com  Wed May  3 22:37:44 2006
From: petermichaux at gmail.com (Peter Michaux)
Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 19:37:44 -0700
Subject: [Storerb-devel] Store.rb project alive, anyone out there?
In-Reply-To: <378417920605031934n22907673r361523410aae52f6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3cbaf1c80605031812v10345989v28b5cd98e467fae5@mail.gmail.com>
	<378417920605031934n22907673r361523410aae52f6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3cbaf1c80605031937p6012a37enf0df4df984a5ac68@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Hai,

I would like to focus on improving the storefront for now and getting
a demo store up and running. Please have a look at the tickets

http://trac.vaillant.ca/store.rb/report/1

I'm not a Rails expert but I've improved a lot over the last few
months. I know the code can be more concise and professional. A better
launch pad for developing real stores.

Peter





On 5/3/06, Hai Hoang <haibhoang at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I want to be part of this project and I want to help out as much as
> possible.  I reviewed the Characters db and others.  The next step I want to
> do is download the code and working on whatever is needed.
>
> Thank you,
> Hai
>
> On 5/3/06, Peter Michaux <petermichaux at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> Hi,
>
> I've been working over the last few weeks on the store.rb code in the
> characters branch of svn[1]. I've committed components from a real
> online store that just launched successfully yesterday that was based
> on a previous version of Characters. I think the Characters storefront
> in svn now has all the features I would like to see in the first
> release for the project. The code needs polish and there are some
> tickets related to the roughest spots[2]. If anyone would like to help
> improve the storefront code (models, views and controller) please
> reply to this message.
>
> The admin side of things is a different story. I want this to be quite
> advanced and for store administration to be relatively fun to do. The
> upcoming Rails armaggedon technology might be a big help. If anyone
> downloads characters from svn and wants to get a rough look at what is
>  going on in the admin side I can write up which things to click to see
> the idea. I think that the current store front is complex enough to
> make the admin side meaty enough for real development that will be
> sustainable style as the project grows.
>
> Peter
>
> [1] svn checkout
> svn://trac.vaillant.ca/store.rb/branches/characters
> [2] http://trac.vaillant.ca/store.rb/report/1
>
> _______________________________________________
> Storerb-devel mailing list: Storerb-devel at rubyforge.org
> Project site: http://trac.vaillant.ca/store.rb
>
>
>
> --
> Thanks,
>
> Hai Hoang
> (281) 804-3490
> _______________________________________________
> Storerb-devel mailing list: Storerb-devel at rubyforge.org
> Project site: http://trac.vaillant.ca/store.rb
>
>


From paul.vaillant at gmail.com  Thu May  4 21:28:10 2006
From: paul.vaillant at gmail.com (Paul Vaillant)
Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 19:28:10 -0600
Subject: [Storerb-devel] How would you use store.rb code?
In-Reply-To: <3cbaf1c80605031815t336b5341g156c78e767a7611c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3cbaf1c80605031815t336b5341g156c78e767a7611c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9e8e66200605041828p66cf7037taa5f2e88e629c290@mail.gmail.com>

Speaking of using the code this way (as an engine I think in rails
terminology), has anyone had a chance to look at the Substruct project[1]?
It's a recently released Rails e-commerce/CMS engine.

I think we should really look at it to know how we are different then it.

paul

1: http://dev.subimage.com/projects/substruct

On 5/3/06, Peter Michaux <petermichaux at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I've been thinking about how I will use store.rb code in the future.
> After already using the store.rb code once and heavily modifying it, I
> think that the code will mostly be used as a scaffold (something like
> ruby script/generate onlinestore characters). After modification
> begins (even just templates) it would be quite hard to upgrade to a
> new version of the store.rb code for an existing site.
>
> How would you use the code?
>
> Peter
>
> _______________________________________________
> Storerb-devel mailing list: Storerb-devel at rubyforge.org
> Project site: http://trac.vaillant.ca/store.rb
>
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From petermichaux at gmail.com  Thu May  4 23:28:51 2006
From: petermichaux at gmail.com (Peter Michaux)
Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 20:28:51 -0700
Subject: [Storerb-devel] How would you use store.rb code?
In-Reply-To: <9e8e66200605041828p66cf7037taa5f2e88e629c290@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3cbaf1c80605031815t336b5341g156c78e767a7611c@mail.gmail.com>
	<9e8e66200605041828p66cf7037taa5f2e88e629c290@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3cbaf1c80605042028t1dfd478ds3d67fad65c4473c7@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/4/06, Paul Vaillant <paul.vaillant at gmail.com> wrote:
>  has anyone had a chance to look at the Substruct project[1]?
> It's a recently released Rails e-commerce/CMS engine.
>
> I think we should really look at it to know how we are different then it.

I have looked at substruct. Looking at the schema and demo store
front, Characters already has more features, at least these

categories
variations
custom product bundles (computer, hard drive, ram etc)
cart item quantities

On the admin side of things they have a working admin but it is very
usual (Web 1.0) static style pages. Have you looked in the characters
admin to see where I want to go with this? Only a couple menu options
in the characters admin work right now (new window and one below it) 
but it should be pretty cool. I am hoping someone is interested in
having a look and collaborating on ideas to finish the admin. Once the
admin has been completed for the current set of storefront features
then I have a whole bunch more features I want to implement. Things
can move fast once the puzzle pieces are all put together. The Serious
DHTML widgets library based on Yahoo! UI that I added to Characters
was a major piece.

Peter


From petermichaux at gmail.com  Sat May  6 03:51:38 2006
From: petermichaux at gmail.com (Peter Michaux)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 00:51:38 -0700
Subject: [Storerb-devel] How would you use store.rb code?
In-Reply-To: <9e8e66200605041828p66cf7037taa5f2e88e629c290@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3cbaf1c80605031815t336b5341g156c78e767a7611c@mail.gmail.com>
	<9e8e66200605041828p66cf7037taa5f2e88e629c290@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3cbaf1c80605060051i169f6996jb60ad20147644287@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/4/06, Paul Vaillant <paul.vaillant at gmail.com> wrote:
> Speaking of using the code this way (as an engine I think in rails
> terminology),

I can see that it is easy to overried an entire template but is it
possible to override a single method in an engine's controller? What
about adding methods to models? Perhaps this is too much for the
engine technology?

Peter


From petermichaux at gmail.com  Sat May  6 04:54:14 2006
From: petermichaux at gmail.com (Peter Michaux)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 01:54:14 -0700
Subject: [Storerb-devel] Demo site
Message-ID: <3cbaf1c80605060154q80ec47fk9dcb59ffc477ece2@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I have put up a demo site of the Characters store. You need the last
slash in the following address

http://peter.michaux.ca/characters/

You can play with the storefront catalog and cart. It isn't
particularly pretty right now.

If you look in the admin side of things you won't see too much. You
can do the catalog>new window menu option to see the windows. (More
admin stuff works on my computer but I don't know why it doesn't work
on the demo site. I'll try to figure this out soon.)

Peter


From petermichaux at gmail.com  Sat May  6 12:54:04 2006
From: petermichaux at gmail.com (Peter Michaux)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 09:54:04 -0700
Subject: [Storerb-devel] Demo site
In-Reply-To: <3cbaf1c80605060154q80ec47fk9dcb59ffc477ece2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3cbaf1c80605060154q80ec47fk9dcb59ffc477ece2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3cbaf1c80605060954y316a985ete1f05e7f7869be28@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/6/06, Peter Michaux <petermichaux at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I have put up a demo site of the Characters store.

Updated info

Demo site

http://characters.michaux.ca

The store front catalog and cart are working right now. If you look in
the admin side you will see the idea for the user interface with a
desktop and windows by choosing "Catalog>New window" menu option. The
option "Catalog>Yahoo! test" also works and you can play with the
contents of the "SubCats" tab.

Please let me know what you think

Peter


From me at phillipoertel.com  Mon May  8 07:52:02 2006
From: me at phillipoertel.com (Phillip Oertel)
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 13:52:02 +0200
Subject: [Storerb-devel] pushing data to the client
Message-ID: <445F30E2.9010708@phillipoertel.com>

hi,

i remember peter looking for solutions on how to "sync" two people using
the store admin at the same time.
"comet" might help here, it allows to push data from the server to the
client without polling. haven't tried it, but here's an extensive
description, links to some apps that use that kind of communication, and
a link to the dojo toolkit, which wraps the low-level details for this
kind of connection.
http://alex.dojotoolkit.org/?p=545

phil	

From petermichaux at gmail.com  Sun May 14 19:40:55 2006
From: petermichaux at gmail.com (Peter Michaux)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 16:40:55 -0700
Subject: [Storerb-devel] pushing data to the client
In-Reply-To: <445F30E2.9010708@phillipoertel.com>
References: <445F30E2.9010708@phillipoertel.com>
Message-ID: <3cbaf1c80605141640n45e24e9fkb674987a8cea25b0@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Philip,

I don't know why it took so many days for this email to arrive. I just
got it this morning.

I've looked into Comet a little bit and was really excited at first.
However, after reading some more articles, I think that it is
something to avoid for now. It is very new and from what I've read it
places a lot of demands on the server. I suppose some would call it a
hack and I am hoping to avoid hacks for store.rb.

There is also the upcoming Armaggedon for Rails which will use Flash
sockets to enable server push. However this may not be deployable on
every Rails host's shared accounts.

I have found a nice way to make the polling work with rjs that is so
simple to code I think that people will learn it in a minute or five
and be very happy to adopt it.

I've been working very hard on the characters branch of store.rb and
hope to have an alpha release avaliable in a couple weeks along with
some explaination of how things work. There are a few novel features
for me and others may find them interesting too.

If anyone wants to look at the open tickets please do.

Peter



On 5/8/06, Phillip Oertel <me at phillipoertel.com> wrote:
> hi,
>
> i remember peter looking for solutions on how to "sync" two people using
> the store admin at the same time.
> "comet" might help here, it allows to push data from the server to the
> client without polling. haven't tried it, but here's an extensive
> description, links to some apps that use that kind of communication, and
> a link to the dojo toolkit, which wraps the low-level details for this
> kind of connection.
> http://alex.dojotoolkit.org/?p=545
>
> phil