[Rubygems-developers] Status of disabling plugins except for command line?

Charles Oliver Nutter headius at headius.com
Thu Dec 23 05:42:03 EST 2010

FYI, Eric Hollensbe pinged me on Twitter to say that this change does
not appear to break his gem. So that's at least one confirmed ok.

He also said his messages keep getting moderated into oblivion.
Someone might want to see to that.

On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 3:24 AM, Charles Oliver Nutter
<headius at headius.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 3:08 AM, Trans <transfire at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I know of at least two gems it will break, and I suspect they are not
>> your four.
> You guys with your mystery lists. Spill it, man!
>> I thought RubyGems was supposed to be so *conservative* about changes,
>> and here a change is just going to be pushed that breaks people's
>> plugins for the sake of a speed up for those who have 500+ gems
>> installed?
> It's not just a problem for 500+, it's a problem for anyone who
> installs, say, Rails 3's several dozen dependencies. Globbing through
> all those directories gets linearly slower, and even people with just
> a few gems will notice a startup improvement from this.
> The right answer is that plugins should NEVER have been
> auto-discovered with a filesystem scan on every startup since that's
> inherently O(N) as more gems are introduced (and especially bad on
> implementations that already have startup concerns like JRuby or
> Rubinius). So I feel more like we're righting an over-eager change
> (plugins scanned on every load of 'rubygems') by backing off the most
> egregious aspect of that decision. We're not breaking good behavior,
> we're rolling back bad behavior. I call that a bug fix.
>> Overlooking the fact that there other solutions to deal with large gem
>> collections, like rvm's gemsets. Why wouldn't the prudent course of
>> action be to actually fix this _correctly now_, rather than implement
>> a "phase 1" change that will leave certain types of plugins out in the
>> cold for who knows how long?
>> If that's asking too much, then at the very least, make this patch a
>> configurable option in the .gemrc file. Power users who aren't using
>> any of the above mentioned plugins could then easily flip the switch
>> to get the speed up.
> No plugins have been mentioned :) All I see are shadows and spectres.
> I want to know what these plugins are and why this change breaks them.
> If there's additional changes required to keep them working, we can
> discuss that. But having a simple load of 'rubygems' scan the
> filesystem every freaking time is a nonstarter (and should always have
> been).
> - Charlie

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