This does sound like a great candidate. I am in...<br><br>Let's get some more information and details.<br><br><br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 9/14/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Chad Fowler</b> <<a href="mailto:chad@chadfowler.com">
chad@chadfowler.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">"me too!"<br><br>I think this would be a great first group to work with, and if Clinton
<br>wants to volunteer to take the lead it sounds like we have a<br>near-perfect situation to get started. Justin, would you like to make<br>an introduction?<br><br>Thanks,<br>Chad<br><br>On 9/14/07, Giles Bowkett <<a href="mailto:gilesb@gmail.com">
gilesb@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> Clinton and Justin - can you get us more detail on their reqs.?<br>><br>> On 9/13/07, Evan David Light <<a href="mailto:evan@tiggerpalace.com">evan@tiggerpalace.com</a>> wrote:
<br>> > Well said. Sounds good to me.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > On Sep 13, 2007, at 5:25 PM, Bruce Tate wrote:<br>> > If they have strong requirements, a motivation to work with us, and a strong<br>
> > need, it sounds like a good customer.<br>> ><br>> > -bt<br>> ><br>> > On Sep 13, 2007, at 3:51 PM, Justin Gehtland wrote:<br>> > Trying to reply to this (seeing if it makes it through, now):
<br>> ><br>> > That organization is still searching for the right people to build the app,<br>> > and I think would relish having the help of this kind of group.<br>> ><br>> > Justin<br>> >
<br>> ><br>> > On Sep 13, 2007, at 4:29 PM, Chad Fowler wrote:<br>> ><br>> > Here's the email Justin Gehtland has been trying to send. Getting<br>> > stopped somehow:<br>> ><br>> > Recently, we were approached by an organization in North Carolina
<br>> > called TROSA [1]. They are a residential rehabilitation organization<br>> > for substance abusers who have several businesses that the "clients"<br>> > work in during their rehab in order to gain work experience and be
<br>> > part of a structured organization. For example, we used them to move<br>> > our furniture when we moved, and we buy our Christmas trees from them<br>> > every year.<br>> ><br>> > The scenario is this:
<br>> ><br>> > They have essentially "enterprise-level" needs. They need an<br>> > application to track their "clients", including things like medicine<br>> > schedules, meetings with doctors and parole officers, tracking the
<br>> > admit process and the questionnaires they need to fill out, interface<br>> > with government organizations, provide reports for the donors, etc.<br>> > etc. etc.<br>> ><br>> > Their current infrastructure is based on 11 separate Access and/or
<br>> > Excel "applications" strung together will baling wire.<br>> ><br>> > Two years ago, they got a grant from (I think) the Kellogg Foundation<br>> > to upgrade their infrastructure. They found a company who said they
<br>> > would develop it in .NET Nuke. They spent two years and the entire<br>> > grant and have no code to show for it, but they have very clear system<br>> > requirements for what the application needs to do.
<br>> ><br>> > It is very module, and could easily be tackled in small pieces, and<br>> > those pieces have a high degree of possible reusability across<br>> > charitable organizations.<br>> >
<br>> > They have a small budget for this, since the whole grant was wasted.<br>> > They also had unbelievably unrealistic timelines. When we looked at<br>> > the spec, we said it would be easily 9-18 months. Their original RFP
<br>> > (from two years ago) gave two months for dev. Needless to say, they<br>> > chose not to engage us to build the app.<br>> ><br>> > So, they are an ideal candidate because I don't think there is any way
<br>> > they are going to get something useful through normal commercial<br>> > channels, due to the lack of funds compounded by lack of understanding<br>> > of the nature of the beast.<br>> ><br>> >
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