From tonydevlin at gmail.com  Thu Sep 13 10:09:52 2007
From: tonydevlin at gmail.com (Tony Devlin)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 10:09:52 -0400
Subject: [Rubyforchange-talk] List inactive?
Message-ID: <e09432d30709130709x7491afb4ud77c741e55793efd@mail.gmail.com>

I have noticed little activity on this list since August 21st.   Have we
moved to a different forum of communication or has this project pretty much
died?

I am still very interested in participating in this project.

--
Tony Devlin
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From gilesb at gmail.com  Thu Sep 13 13:23:51 2007
From: gilesb at gmail.com (Giles Bowkett)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 10:23:51 -0700
Subject: [Rubyforchange-talk] List inactive?
In-Reply-To: <e09432d30709130709x7491afb4ud77c741e55793efd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e09432d30709130709x7491afb4ud77c741e55793efd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2d81dedb0709131023i67fbbd1bh72d542e96c771619@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/13/07, Tony Devlin <tonydevlin at gmail.com> wrote:
> I have noticed little activity on this list since August 21st.   Have we
> moved to a different forum of communication or has this project pretty much
> died?
>
> I am still very interested in participating in this project.

Discussion's definitely tapered off, but it's not necessarily dead. I
think there's going to be a hack-a-thon connected to this soon in
Philadelphia at Ruby East.

-- 
Giles Bowkett

Blog: http://gilesbowkett.blogspot.com
Portfolio: http://www.gilesgoatboy.org
Tumblelog: http://giles.tumblr.com/

From chad at chadfowler.com  Thu Sep 13 13:36:43 2007
From: chad at chadfowler.com (Chad Fowler)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 19:36:43 +0200
Subject: [Rubyforchange-talk] List inactive?
In-Reply-To: <e09432d30709130709x7491afb4ud77c741e55793efd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e09432d30709130709x7491afb4ud77c741e55793efd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c67184de0709131036o448b153eq67bee76c6ebb5705@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/13/07, Tony Devlin <tonydevlin at gmail.com> wrote:
> I have noticed little activity on this list since August 21st.   Have we
> moved to a different forum of communication or has this project pretty much
> died?
>
> I am still very interested in participating in this project.
>

I'm on vacation.  Hoping to get things kicked back in after that and
during RailsConf Europe.  Did anyone else get a mail from Justin
Gehtland proposing a project?  He had a really good lead on a project
when I saw him in Chicago last month.  He said he emailed it to this
list but I never saw it come through.  It got lost in the shuffle of
travel for me, but I think it would be excellent.

Chad

From evan at tiggerpalace.com  Thu Sep 13 15:22:24 2007
From: evan at tiggerpalace.com (Evan David Light)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:22:24 -0400
Subject: [Rubyforchange-talk] List inactive?
In-Reply-To: <2d81dedb0709131023i67fbbd1bh72d542e96c771619@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e09432d30709130709x7491afb4ud77c741e55793efd@mail.gmail.com>
	<2d81dedb0709131023i67fbbd1bh72d542e96c771619@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7A0D9970-B91E-44A0-B761-77516AA9735F@tiggerpalace.com>

If so then let's start talking about it now!

On Sep 13, 2007, at 1:23 PM, Giles Bowkett wrote:

> On 9/13/07, Tony Devlin <tonydevlin at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I have noticed little activity on this list since August 21st.    
>> Have we
>> moved to a different forum of communication or has this project  
>> pretty much
>> died?
>>
>> I am still very interested in participating in this project.
>
> Discussion's definitely tapered off, but it's not necessarily dead. I
> think there's going to be a hack-a-thon connected to this soon in
> Philadelphia at Ruby East.
>
> -- 
> Giles Bowkett
>
> Blog: http://gilesbowkett.blogspot.com
> Portfolio: http://www.gilesgoatboy.org
> Tumblelog: http://giles.tumblr.com/
> _______________________________________________
> Rubyforchange-talk mailing list
> Rubyforchange-talk at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rubyforchange-talk


From tonydevlin at gmail.com  Thu Sep 13 15:40:33 2007
From: tonydevlin at gmail.com (Tony Devlin)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:40:33 -0400
Subject: [Rubyforchange-talk] List inactive?
In-Reply-To: <c67184de0709131036o448b153eq67bee76c6ebb5705@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e09432d30709130709x7491afb4ud77c741e55793efd@mail.gmail.com>
	<c67184de0709131036o448b153eq67bee76c6ebb5705@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e09432d30709131240o59502d2em65063eca2b20c510@mail.gmail.com>

I have not seen a message from Justin yet.  I'd be interested in discussing
the project if we get some information about it.



On 9/13/07, Chad Fowler <chad at chadfowler.com> wrote:
>
> On 9/13/07, Tony Devlin <tonydevlin at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I have noticed little activity on this list since August 21st.   Have we
> > moved to a different forum of communication or has this project pretty
> much
> > died?
> >
> > I am still very interested in participating in this project.
> >
>
> I'm on vacation.  Hoping to get things kicked back in after that and
> during RailsConf Europe.  Did anyone else get a mail from Justin
> Gehtland proposing a project?  He had a really good lead on a project
> when I saw him in Chicago last month.  He said he emailed it to this
> list but I never saw it come through.  It got lost in the shuffle of
> travel for me, but I think it would be excellent.
>
> Chad
> _______________________________________________
> Rubyforchange-talk mailing list
> Rubyforchange-talk at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rubyforchange-talk
>
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From chad at chadfowler.com  Thu Sep 13 16:29:58 2007
From: chad at chadfowler.com (Chad Fowler)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:29:58 +0200
Subject: [Rubyforchange-talk] TROSA
Message-ID: <c67184de0709131329l2cd89bbejc1932d7614a00580@mail.gmail.com>

Here's the email Justin Gehtland has been trying to send.  Getting
stopped somehow:

Recently, we were approached by an organization in North Carolina
called TROSA [1].  They are a residential rehabilitation organization
for substance abusers who have several businesses that the "clients"
work in during their rehab in order to gain work experience and be
part of a structured organization.  For example, we used them to move
our furniture when we moved, and we buy our Christmas trees from them
every year.

The scenario is this:

They have essentially "enterprise-level" needs.  They need an
application to track their "clients", including things like medicine
schedules, meetings with doctors and parole officers, tracking the
admit process and the questionnaires they need to fill out, interface
with government organizations, provide reports for the donors, etc.
etc. etc.

Their current infrastructure is based on 11 separate Access and/or
Excel "applications" strung together will baling wire.

Two years ago, they got a grant from (I think) the Kellogg Foundation
to upgrade their infrastructure.  They found a company who said they
would develop it in .NET Nuke. They spent two years and the entire
grant and have no code to show for it, but they have very clear system
requirements for what the application needs to do.

It is very module, and could easily be tackled in small pieces, and
those pieces have a high degree of possible reusability across
charitable organizations.

They have a small budget for this, since the whole grant was wasted.
They also had unbelievably unrealistic timelines.  When we looked at
the spec, we said it would be easily 9-18 months. Their original RFP
(from two years ago) gave two months for dev.  Needless to say, they
chose not to engage us to build the app.

So, they are an ideal candidate because I don't think there is any way
they are going to get something useful through normal commercial
channels, due to the lack of funds compounded by lack of understanding
of the nature of the beast.


[1] http://www.trosainc.org/"

From crnixon at gmail.com  Thu Sep 13 17:22:50 2007
From: crnixon at gmail.com (Clinton R. Nixon)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:22:50 -0400
Subject: [Rubyforchange-talk] TROSA
In-Reply-To: <c67184de0709131329l2cd89bbejc1932d7614a00580@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c67184de0709131329l2cd89bbejc1932d7614a00580@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bbd23f5e0709131422j46e8972fgc2f5e5ed744c6a11@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/13/07, Chad Fowler <chad at chadfowler.com> wrote:
> Recently, we were approached by an organization in North Carolina
> called TROSA [1].  ...
>
> So, they are an ideal candidate because I don't think there is any way
> they are going to get something useful through normal commercial
> channels, due to the lack of funds compounded by lack of understanding
> of the nature of the beast.

There's also two list members (Ben Scofield and I, both of Viget Labs)
that are within walking distance of their office. I will volunteer
right now to be a personal contact between this project and TROSA, as
I know well that they are an organization of the highest caliber.

-- 
Clinton R. Nixon
http://clintonrnixon.net

From justin at thinkrelevance.com  Thu Sep 13 16:51:20 2007
From: justin at thinkrelevance.com (Justin Gehtland)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:51:20 -0400
Subject: [Rubyforchange-talk] TROSA
In-Reply-To: <c67184de0709131329l2cd89bbejc1932d7614a00580@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c67184de0709131329l2cd89bbejc1932d7614a00580@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <70E0B400-8526-4BEF-8950-F7BD7C1CC1B4@thinkrelevance.com>

Trying to reply to this (seeing if it makes it through, now):

That organization is still searching for the right people to build  
the app, and I think would relish having the help of this kind of group.

Justin

On Sep 13, 2007, at 4:29 PM, Chad Fowler wrote:

> Here's the email Justin Gehtland has been trying to send.  Getting
> stopped somehow:
>
> Recently, we were approached by an organization in North Carolina
> called TROSA [1].  They are a residential rehabilitation organization
> for substance abusers who have several businesses that the "clients"
> work in during their rehab in order to gain work experience and be
> part of a structured organization.  For example, we used them to move
> our furniture when we moved, and we buy our Christmas trees from them
> every year.
>
> The scenario is this:
>
> They have essentially "enterprise-level" needs.  They need an
> application to track their "clients", including things like medicine
> schedules, meetings with doctors and parole officers, tracking the
> admit process and the questionnaires they need to fill out, interface
> with government organizations, provide reports for the donors, etc.
> etc. etc.
>
> Their current infrastructure is based on 11 separate Access and/or
> Excel "applications" strung together will baling wire.
>
> Two years ago, they got a grant from (I think) the Kellogg Foundation
> to upgrade their infrastructure.  They found a company who said they
> would develop it in .NET Nuke. They spent two years and the entire
> grant and have no code to show for it, but they have very clear system
> requirements for what the application needs to do.
>
> It is very module, and could easily be tackled in small pieces, and
> those pieces have a high degree of possible reusability across
> charitable organizations.
>
> They have a small budget for this, since the whole grant was wasted.
> They also had unbelievably unrealistic timelines.  When we looked at
> the spec, we said it would be easily 9-18 months. Their original RFP
> (from two years ago) gave two months for dev.  Needless to say, they
> chose not to engage us to build the app.
>
> So, they are an ideal candidate because I don't think there is any way
> they are going to get something useful through normal commercial
> channels, due to the lack of funds compounded by lack of understanding
> of the nature of the beast.
>
>
> [1] http://www.trosainc.org/"
> _______________________________________________
> Rubyforchange-talk mailing list
> Rubyforchange-talk at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rubyforchange-talk
>

----------------------------------
Justin Gehtland
justin at thinkrelevance.com
www.thinkrelevance.com
919.824.5409



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From gilesb at gmail.com  Thu Sep 13 17:44:39 2007
From: gilesb at gmail.com (Giles Bowkett)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:44:39 -0700
Subject: [Rubyforchange-talk] TROSA
In-Reply-To: <70E0B400-8526-4BEF-8950-F7BD7C1CC1B4@thinkrelevance.com>
References: <c67184de0709131329l2cd89bbejc1932d7614a00580@mail.gmail.com>
	<70E0B400-8526-4BEF-8950-F7BD7C1CC1B4@thinkrelevance.com>
Message-ID: <2d81dedb0709131444m32a13b5ax16375481bb0455a2@mail.gmail.com>

You know, just to rock the boat, the situation Justin described in his
original e-mail -- a set of Access and Excel docs barely strung
together with chicken wire -- is **exactly** the problem space that
DabbleDB was designed for. Avi Bryant did a bunch of consulting and
saw the "overburdened semi-scripted Office docs" solution implemented
a billion times, told people they should be using DBs for that sort of
thing, and badda bing, badda boom, DabbleDB was born. Given that, it'd
make sense to take a deeper look at their requirements and see if
DabbleDB could be the solution to use.

-- 
Giles Bowkett

Blog: http://gilesbowkett.blogspot.com
Portfolio: http://www.gilesgoatboy.org
Tumblelog: http://giles.tumblr.com/

From bruce at rapidred.com  Thu Sep 13 17:51:12 2007
From: bruce at rapidred.com (Bruce Tate)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:51:12 -0600
Subject: [Rubyforchange-talk] TROSA
In-Reply-To: <2d81dedb0709131444m32a13b5ax16375481bb0455a2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c67184de0709131329l2cd89bbejc1932d7614a00580@mail.gmail.com>
	<70E0B400-8526-4BEF-8950-F7BD7C1CC1B4@thinkrelevance.com>
	<2d81dedb0709131444m32a13b5ax16375481bb0455a2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0C453536-6D1C-492A-8753-589E7FB07F39@rapidred.com>

That's a great point. Dabble DB may well be a perfect solution. It's  
a brilliant product.

-bt
On Sep 13, 2007, at 4:44 PM, Giles Bowkett wrote:

> You know, just to rock the boat, the situation Justin described in his
> original e-mail -- a set of Access and Excel docs barely strung
> together with chicken wire -- is **exactly** the problem space that
> DabbleDB was designed for. Avi Bryant did a bunch of consulting and
> saw the "overburdened semi-scripted Office docs" solution implemented
> a billion times, told people they should be using DBs for that sort of
> thing, and badda bing, badda boom, DabbleDB was born. Given that, it'd
> make sense to take a deeper look at their requirements and see if
> DabbleDB could be the solution to use.
>
> -- 
> Giles Bowkett
>
> Blog: http://gilesbowkett.blogspot.com
> Portfolio: http://www.gilesgoatboy.org
> Tumblelog: http://giles.tumblr.com/
> _______________________________________________
> Rubyforchange-talk mailing list
> Rubyforchange-talk at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rubyforchange-talk

--------------------------
First Rule of Kayak: When in doubt, paddle like hell

Bruce Tate, CTO

WellGood, LLC, makers of ChangingThePresent.org

office:  512.266.2049
mobile:  512.799.9366
fax:  512.857.0415



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From bruce at rapidred.com  Thu Sep 13 17:25:52 2007
From: bruce at rapidred.com (Bruce Tate)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:25:52 -0600
Subject: [Rubyforchange-talk] TROSA
In-Reply-To: <70E0B400-8526-4BEF-8950-F7BD7C1CC1B4@thinkrelevance.com>
References: <c67184de0709131329l2cd89bbejc1932d7614a00580@mail.gmail.com>
	<70E0B400-8526-4BEF-8950-F7BD7C1CC1B4@thinkrelevance.com>
Message-ID: <041C857D-2234-40B0-9AEA-E68E7BACF544@rapidred.com>

If they have strong requirements, a motivation to work with us, and a  
strong need, it sounds like a good customer.

-bt
On Sep 13, 2007, at 3:51 PM, Justin Gehtland wrote:

> Trying to reply to this (seeing if it makes it through, now):
>
> That organization is still searching for the right people to build  
> the app, and I think would relish having the help of this kind of  
> group.
>
> Justin
>
> On Sep 13, 2007, at 4:29 PM, Chad Fowler wrote:
>
>> Here's the email Justin Gehtland has been trying to send.  Getting
>> stopped somehow:
>>
>> Recently, we were approached by an organization in North Carolina
>> called TROSA [1].  They are a residential rehabilitation organization
>> for substance abusers who have several businesses that the "clients"
>> work in during their rehab in order to gain work experience and be
>> part of a structured organization.  For example, we used them to move
>> our furniture when we moved, and we buy our Christmas trees from them
>> every year.
>>
>> The scenario is this:
>>
>> They have essentially "enterprise-level" needs.  They need an
>> application to track their "clients", including things like medicine
>> schedules, meetings with doctors and parole officers, tracking the
>> admit process and the questionnaires they need to fill out, interface
>> with government organizations, provide reports for the donors, etc.
>> etc. etc.
>>
>> Their current infrastructure is based on 11 separate Access and/or
>> Excel "applications" strung together will baling wire.
>>
>> Two years ago, they got a grant from (I think) the Kellogg Foundation
>> to upgrade their infrastructure.  They found a company who said they
>> would develop it in .NET Nuke. They spent two years and the entire
>> grant and have no code to show for it, but they have very clear  
>> system
>> requirements for what the application needs to do.
>>
>> It is very module, and could easily be tackled in small pieces, and
>> those pieces have a high degree of possible reusability across
>> charitable organizations.
>>
>> They have a small budget for this, since the whole grant was wasted.
>> They also had unbelievably unrealistic timelines.  When we looked at
>> the spec, we said it would be easily 9-18 months. Their original RFP
>> (from two years ago) gave two months for dev.  Needless to say, they
>> chose not to engage us to build the app.
>>
>> So, they are an ideal candidate because I don't think there is any  
>> way
>> they are going to get something useful through normal commercial
>> channels, due to the lack of funds compounded by lack of  
>> understanding
>> of the nature of the beast.
>>
>>
>> [1] http://www.trosainc.org/"
>> _______________________________________________
>> Rubyforchange-talk mailing list
>> Rubyforchange-talk at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rubyforchange-talk
>>
>
> ----------------------------------
> Justin Gehtland
> justin at thinkrelevance.com
> www.thinkrelevance.com
> 919.824.5409
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rubyforchange-talk mailing list
> Rubyforchange-talk at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rubyforchange-talk

--------------------------
First Rule of Kayak: When in doubt, paddle like hell

Bruce Tate, CTO

WellGood, LLC, makers of ChangingThePresent.org

office:  512.266.2049
mobile:  512.799.9366
fax:  512.857.0415



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From evan at tiggerpalace.com  Thu Sep 13 17:55:31 2007
From: evan at tiggerpalace.com (Evan David Light)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:55:31 -0400
Subject: [Rubyforchange-talk] TROSA
In-Reply-To: <041C857D-2234-40B0-9AEA-E68E7BACF544@rapidred.com>
References: <c67184de0709131329l2cd89bbejc1932d7614a00580@mail.gmail.com>
	<70E0B400-8526-4BEF-8950-F7BD7C1CC1B4@thinkrelevance.com>
	<041C857D-2234-40B0-9AEA-E68E7BACF544@rapidred.com>
Message-ID: <42AD5354-C806-486C-8776-5A8D15B199AC@tiggerpalace.com>

Well said.  Sounds good to me.

On Sep 13, 2007, at 5:25 PM, Bruce Tate wrote:

> If they have strong requirements, a motivation to work with us, and  
> a strong need, it sounds like a good customer.
>
> -bt
> On Sep 13, 2007, at 3:51 PM, Justin Gehtland wrote:
>
>> Trying to reply to this (seeing if it makes it through, now):
>>
>> That organization is still searching for the right people to build  
>> the app, and I think would relish having the help of this kind of  
>> group.
>>
>> Justin
>>
>> On Sep 13, 2007, at 4:29 PM, Chad Fowler wrote:
>>
>>> Here's the email Justin Gehtland has been trying to send.  Getting
>>> stopped somehow:
>>>
>>> Recently, we were approached by an organization in North Carolina
>>> called TROSA [1].  They are a residential rehabilitation  
>>> organization
>>> for substance abusers who have several businesses that the "clients"
>>> work in during their rehab in order to gain work experience and be
>>> part of a structured organization.  For example, we used them to  
>>> move
>>> our furniture when we moved, and we buy our Christmas trees from  
>>> them
>>> every year.
>>>
>>> The scenario is this:
>>>
>>> They have essentially "enterprise-level" needs.  They need an
>>> application to track their "clients", including things like medicine
>>> schedules, meetings with doctors and parole officers, tracking the
>>> admit process and the questionnaires they need to fill out,  
>>> interface
>>> with government organizations, provide reports for the donors, etc.
>>> etc. etc.
>>>
>>> Their current infrastructure is based on 11 separate Access and/or
>>> Excel "applications" strung together will baling wire.
>>>
>>> Two years ago, they got a grant from (I think) the Kellogg  
>>> Foundation
>>> to upgrade their infrastructure.  They found a company who said they
>>> would develop it in .NET Nuke. They spent two years and the entire
>>> grant and have no code to show for it, but they have very clear  
>>> system
>>> requirements for what the application needs to do.
>>>
>>> It is very module, and could easily be tackled in small pieces, and
>>> those pieces have a high degree of possible reusability across
>>> charitable organizations.
>>>
>>> They have a small budget for this, since the whole grant was wasted.
>>> They also had unbelievably unrealistic timelines.  When we looked at
>>> the spec, we said it would be easily 9-18 months. Their original RFP
>>> (from two years ago) gave two months for dev.  Needless to say, they
>>> chose not to engage us to build the app.
>>>
>>> So, they are an ideal candidate because I don't think there is  
>>> any way
>>> they are going to get something useful through normal commercial
>>> channels, due to the lack of funds compounded by lack of  
>>> understanding
>>> of the nature of the beast.
>>>
>>>
>>> [1] http://www.trosainc.org/"
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Rubyforchange-talk mailing list
>>> Rubyforchange-talk at rubyforge.org
>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rubyforchange-talk
>>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------
>> Justin Gehtland
>> justin at thinkrelevance.com
>> www.thinkrelevance.com
>> 919.824.5409
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Rubyforchange-talk mailing list
>> Rubyforchange-talk at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rubyforchange-talk
>
> --------------------------
> First Rule of Kayak: When in doubt, paddle like hell
>
> Bruce Tate, CTO
>
> WellGood, LLC, makers of ChangingThePresent.org
>
> office:  512.266.2049
> mobile:  512.799.9366
> fax:  512.857.0415
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rubyforchange-talk mailing list
> Rubyforchange-talk at rubyforge.org
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From gilesb at gmail.com  Thu Sep 13 20:18:35 2007
From: gilesb at gmail.com (Giles Bowkett)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:18:35 -0700
Subject: [Rubyforchange-talk] TROSA
In-Reply-To: <42AD5354-C806-486C-8776-5A8D15B199AC@tiggerpalace.com>
References: <c67184de0709131329l2cd89bbejc1932d7614a00580@mail.gmail.com>
	<70E0B400-8526-4BEF-8950-F7BD7C1CC1B4@thinkrelevance.com>
	<041C857D-2234-40B0-9AEA-E68E7BACF544@rapidred.com>
	<42AD5354-C806-486C-8776-5A8D15B199AC@tiggerpalace.com>
Message-ID: <2d81dedb0709131718u681aabfuf6812f34e42772dc@mail.gmail.com>

Clinton and Justin - can you get us more detail on their reqs.?

On 9/13/07, Evan David Light <evan at tiggerpalace.com> wrote:
> Well said.  Sounds good to me.
>
>
> On Sep 13, 2007, at 5:25 PM, Bruce Tate wrote:
> If they have strong requirements, a motivation to work with us, and a strong
> need, it sounds like a good customer.
>
> -bt
>
> On Sep 13, 2007, at 3:51 PM, Justin Gehtland wrote:
> Trying to reply to this (seeing if it makes it through, now):
>
> That organization is still searching for the right people to build the app,
> and I think would relish having the help of this kind of group.
>
> Justin
>
>
> On Sep 13, 2007, at 4:29 PM, Chad Fowler wrote:
>
> Here's the email Justin Gehtland has been trying to send.  Getting
> stopped somehow:
>
> Recently, we were approached by an organization in North Carolina
> called TROSA [1].  They are a residential rehabilitation organization
> for substance abusers who have several businesses that the "clients"
> work in during their rehab in order to gain work experience and be
> part of a structured organization.  For example, we used them to move
> our furniture when we moved, and we buy our Christmas trees from them
> every year.
>
> The scenario is this:
>
> They have essentially "enterprise-level" needs.  They need an
> application to track their "clients", including things like medicine
> schedules, meetings with doctors and parole officers, tracking the
> admit process and the questionnaires they need to fill out, interface
> with government organizations, provide reports for the donors, etc.
> etc. etc.
>
> Their current infrastructure is based on 11 separate Access and/or
> Excel "applications" strung together will baling wire.
>
> Two years ago, they got a grant from (I think) the Kellogg Foundation
> to upgrade their infrastructure.  They found a company who said they
> would develop it in .NET Nuke. They spent two years and the entire
> grant and have no code to show for it, but they have very clear system
> requirements for what the application needs to do.
>
> It is very module, and could easily be tackled in small pieces, and
> those pieces have a high degree of possible reusability across
> charitable organizations.
>
> They have a small budget for this, since the whole grant was wasted.
> They also had unbelievably unrealistic timelines.  When we looked at
> the spec, we said it would be easily 9-18 months. Their original RFP
> (from two years ago) gave two months for dev.  Needless to say, they
> chose not to engage us to build the app.
>
> So, they are an ideal candidate because I don't think there is any way
> they are going to get something useful through normal commercial
> channels, due to the lack of funds compounded by lack of understanding
> of the nature of the beast.
>
>
> [1] http://www.trosainc.org/"
> _______________________________________________
> Rubyforchange-talk mailing list
> Rubyforchange-talk at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rubyforchange-talk
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------
> Justin Gehtland
> justin at thinkrelevance.com
> www.thinkrelevance.com
> 919.824.5409
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rubyforchange-talk mailing list
> Rubyforchange-talk at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rubyforchange-talk
>
> --------------------------
> First Rule of Kayak: When in doubt, paddle like hell
>
> Bruce Tate, CTO
>
> WellGood, LLC, makers of ChangingThePresent.org
>
> office:  512.266.2049
> mobile:  512.799.9366
> fax:  512.857.0415
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rubyforchange-talk mailing list
> Rubyforchange-talk at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rubyforchange-talk
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Rubyforchange-talk at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rubyforchange-talk
>
>


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Portfolio: http://www.gilesgoatboy.org
Tumblelog: http://giles.tumblr.com/

From chad at chadfowler.com  Fri Sep 14 02:29:53 2007
From: chad at chadfowler.com (Chad Fowler)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:29:53 +0200
Subject: [Rubyforchange-talk] TROSA
In-Reply-To: <2d81dedb0709131718u681aabfuf6812f34e42772dc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c67184de0709131329l2cd89bbejc1932d7614a00580@mail.gmail.com>
	<70E0B400-8526-4BEF-8950-F7BD7C1CC1B4@thinkrelevance.com>
	<041C857D-2234-40B0-9AEA-E68E7BACF544@rapidred.com>
	<42AD5354-C806-486C-8776-5A8D15B199AC@tiggerpalace.com>
	<2d81dedb0709131718u681aabfuf6812f34e42772dc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c67184de0709132329jb69d8dqfda67421a6bc777c@mail.gmail.com>

"me too!"

I think this would be a great first group to work with, and if Clinton
wants to volunteer to take the lead it sounds like we have a
near-perfect situation to get started.  Justin, would you like to make
an introduction?

Thanks,
Chad

On 9/14/07, Giles Bowkett <gilesb at gmail.com> wrote:
> Clinton and Justin - can you get us more detail on their reqs.?
>
> On 9/13/07, Evan David Light <evan at tiggerpalace.com> wrote:
> > Well said.  Sounds good to me.
> >
> >
> > On Sep 13, 2007, at 5:25 PM, Bruce Tate wrote:
> > If they have strong requirements, a motivation to work with us, and a strong
> > need, it sounds like a good customer.
> >
> > -bt
> >
> > On Sep 13, 2007, at 3:51 PM, Justin Gehtland wrote:
> > Trying to reply to this (seeing if it makes it through, now):
> >
> > That organization is still searching for the right people to build the app,
> > and I think would relish having the help of this kind of group.
> >
> > Justin
> >
> >
> > On Sep 13, 2007, at 4:29 PM, Chad Fowler wrote:
> >
> > Here's the email Justin Gehtland has been trying to send.  Getting
> > stopped somehow:
> >
> > Recently, we were approached by an organization in North Carolina
> > called TROSA [1].  They are a residential rehabilitation organization
> > for substance abusers who have several businesses that the "clients"
> > work in during their rehab in order to gain work experience and be
> > part of a structured organization.  For example, we used them to move
> > our furniture when we moved, and we buy our Christmas trees from them
> > every year.
> >
> > The scenario is this:
> >
> > They have essentially "enterprise-level" needs.  They need an
> > application to track their "clients", including things like medicine
> > schedules, meetings with doctors and parole officers, tracking the
> > admit process and the questionnaires they need to fill out, interface
> > with government organizations, provide reports for the donors, etc.
> > etc. etc.
> >
> > Their current infrastructure is based on 11 separate Access and/or
> > Excel "applications" strung together will baling wire.
> >
> > Two years ago, they got a grant from (I think) the Kellogg Foundation
> > to upgrade their infrastructure.  They found a company who said they
> > would develop it in .NET Nuke. They spent two years and the entire
> > grant and have no code to show for it, but they have very clear system
> > requirements for what the application needs to do.
> >
> > It is very module, and could easily be tackled in small pieces, and
> > those pieces have a high degree of possible reusability across
> > charitable organizations.
> >
> > They have a small budget for this, since the whole grant was wasted.
> > They also had unbelievably unrealistic timelines.  When we looked at
> > the spec, we said it would be easily 9-18 months. Their original RFP
> > (from two years ago) gave two months for dev.  Needless to say, they
> > chose not to engage us to build the app.
> >
> > So, they are an ideal candidate because I don't think there is any way
> > they are going to get something useful through normal commercial
> > channels, due to the lack of funds compounded by lack of understanding
> > of the nature of the beast.
> >
> >
> > [1] http://www.trosainc.org/"
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rubyforchange-talk mailing list
> > Rubyforchange-talk at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rubyforchange-talk
> >
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------
> > Justin Gehtland
> > justin at thinkrelevance.com
> > www.thinkrelevance.com
> > 919.824.5409
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rubyforchange-talk mailing list
> > Rubyforchange-talk at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rubyforchange-talk
> >
> > --------------------------
> > First Rule of Kayak: When in doubt, paddle like hell
> >
> > Bruce Tate, CTO
> >
> > WellGood, LLC, makers of ChangingThePresent.org
> >
> > office:  512.266.2049
> > mobile:  512.799.9366
> > fax:  512.857.0415
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rubyforchange-talk mailing list
> > Rubyforchange-talk at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rubyforchange-talk
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rubyforchange-talk mailing list
> > Rubyforchange-talk at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rubyforchange-talk
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Giles Bowkett
>
> Blog: http://gilesbowkett.blogspot.com
> Portfolio: http://www.gilesgoatboy.org
> Tumblelog: http://giles.tumblr.com/
> _______________________________________________
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> Rubyforchange-talk at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rubyforchange-talk
>

From tonydevlin at gmail.com  Fri Sep 14 07:15:53 2007
From: tonydevlin at gmail.com (Tony Devlin)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 07:15:53 -0400
Subject: [Rubyforchange-talk] TROSA
In-Reply-To: <c67184de0709132329jb69d8dqfda67421a6bc777c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c67184de0709131329l2cd89bbejc1932d7614a00580@mail.gmail.com>
	<70E0B400-8526-4BEF-8950-F7BD7C1CC1B4@thinkrelevance.com>
	<041C857D-2234-40B0-9AEA-E68E7BACF544@rapidred.com>
	<42AD5354-C806-486C-8776-5A8D15B199AC@tiggerpalace.com>
	<2d81dedb0709131718u681aabfuf6812f34e42772dc@mail.gmail.com>
	<c67184de0709132329jb69d8dqfda67421a6bc777c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e09432d30709140415o68b671dkc72a2b23c10c570@mail.gmail.com>

This does sound like a great candidate.  I am in...

Let's get some more information and details.



On 9/14/07, Chad Fowler <chad at chadfowler.com> wrote:
>
> "me too!"
>
> I think this would be a great first group to work with, and if Clinton
> wants to volunteer to take the lead it sounds like we have a
> near-perfect situation to get started.  Justin, would you like to make
> an introduction?
>
> Thanks,
> Chad
>
> On 9/14/07, Giles Bowkett <gilesb at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Clinton and Justin - can you get us more detail on their reqs.?
> >
> > On 9/13/07, Evan David Light <evan at tiggerpalace.com> wrote:
> > > Well said.  Sounds good to me.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sep 13, 2007, at 5:25 PM, Bruce Tate wrote:
> > > If they have strong requirements, a motivation to work with us, and a
> strong
> > > need, it sounds like a good customer.
> > >
> > > -bt
> > >
> > > On Sep 13, 2007, at 3:51 PM, Justin Gehtland wrote:
> > > Trying to reply to this (seeing if it makes it through, now):
> > >
> > > That organization is still searching for the right people to build the
> app,
> > > and I think would relish having the help of this kind of group.
> > >
> > > Justin
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sep 13, 2007, at 4:29 PM, Chad Fowler wrote:
> > >
> > > Here's the email Justin Gehtland has been trying to send.  Getting
> > > stopped somehow:
> > >
> > > Recently, we were approached by an organization in North Carolina
> > > called TROSA [1].  They are a residential rehabilitation organization
> > > for substance abusers who have several businesses that the "clients"
> > > work in during their rehab in order to gain work experience and be
> > > part of a structured organization.  For example, we used them to move
> > > our furniture when we moved, and we buy our Christmas trees from them
> > > every year.
> > >
> > > The scenario is this:
> > >
> > > They have essentially "enterprise-level" needs.  They need an
> > > application to track their "clients", including things like medicine
> > > schedules, meetings with doctors and parole officers, tracking the
> > > admit process and the questionnaires they need to fill out, interface
> > > with government organizations, provide reports for the donors, etc.
> > > etc. etc.
> > >
> > > Their current infrastructure is based on 11 separate Access and/or
> > > Excel "applications" strung together will baling wire.
> > >
> > > Two years ago, they got a grant from (I think) the Kellogg Foundation
> > > to upgrade their infrastructure.  They found a company who said they
> > > would develop it in .NET Nuke. They spent two years and the entire
> > > grant and have no code to show for it, but they have very clear system
> > > requirements for what the application needs to do.
> > >
> > > It is very module, and could easily be tackled in small pieces, and
> > > those pieces have a high degree of possible reusability across
> > > charitable organizations.
> > >
> > > They have a small budget for this, since the whole grant was wasted.
> > > They also had unbelievably unrealistic timelines.  When we looked at
> > > the spec, we said it would be easily 9-18 months. Their original RFP
> > > (from two years ago) gave two months for dev.  Needless to say, they
> > > chose not to engage us to build the app.
> > >
> > > So, they are an ideal candidate because I don't think there is any way
> > > they are going to get something useful through normal commercial
> > > channels, due to the lack of funds compounded by lack of understanding
> > > of the nature of the beast.
> > >
> > >
> > > [1] http://www.trosainc.org/"
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Rubyforchange-talk mailing list
> > > Rubyforchange-talk at rubyforge.org
> > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rubyforchange-talk
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------
> > > Justin Gehtland
> > > justin at thinkrelevance.com
> > > www.thinkrelevance.com
> > > 919.824.5409
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Rubyforchange-talk mailing list
> > > Rubyforchange-talk at rubyforge.org
> > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rubyforchange-talk
> > >
> > > --------------------------
> > > First Rule of Kayak: When in doubt, paddle like hell
> > >
> > > Bruce Tate, CTO
> > >
> > > WellGood, LLC, makers of ChangingThePresent.org
> > >
> > > office:  512.266.2049
> > > mobile:  512.799.9366
> > > fax:  512.857.0415
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Rubyforchange-talk mailing list
> > > Rubyforchange-talk at rubyforge.org
> > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rubyforchange-talk
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Rubyforchange-talk mailing list
> > > Rubyforchange-talk at rubyforge.org
> > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rubyforchange-talk
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Giles Bowkett
> >
> > Blog: http://gilesbowkett.blogspot.com
> > Portfolio: http://www.gilesgoatboy.org
> > Tumblelog: http://giles.tumblr.com/
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rubyforchange-talk mailing list
> > Rubyforchange-talk at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rubyforchange-talk
> >
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From madcowley at gmail.com  Sun Sep 16 14:30:04 2007
From: madcowley at gmail.com (Matthew Cowley)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 14:30:04 -0400
Subject: [Rubyforchange-talk] TROSA
In-Reply-To: <c67184de0709132329jb69d8dqfda67421a6bc777c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c67184de0709131329l2cd89bbejc1932d7614a00580@mail.gmail.com>	<70E0B400-8526-4BEF-8950-F7BD7C1CC1B4@thinkrelevance.com>	<041C857D-2234-40B0-9AEA-E68E7BACF544@rapidred.com>	<42AD5354-C806-486C-8776-5A8D15B199AC@tiggerpalace.com>	<2d81dedb0709131718u681aabfuf6812f34e42772dc@mail.gmail.com>
	<c67184de0709132329jb69d8dqfda67421a6bc777c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46ED762C.5010208@gmail.com>

Sounds good to me.


Chad Fowler wrote:
> "me too!"
>
> I think this would be a great first group to work with, and if Clinton
> wants to volunteer to take the lead it sounds like we have a
> near-perfect situation to get started.  Justin, would you like to make
> an introduction?
>
> Thanks,
> Chad
>
> On 9/14/07, Giles Bowkett <gilesb at gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> Clinton and Justin - can you get us more detail on their reqs.?
>>
>> On 9/13/07, Evan David Light <evan at tiggerpalace.com> wrote:
>>     
>>> Well said.  Sounds good to me.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 13, 2007, at 5:25 PM, Bruce Tate wrote:
>>> If they have strong requirements, a motivation to work with us, and a strong
>>> need, it sounds like a good customer.
>>>
>>> -bt
>>>
>>> On Sep 13, 2007, at 3:51 PM, Justin Gehtland wrote:
>>> Trying to reply to this (seeing if it makes it through, now):
>>>
>>> That organization is still searching for the right people to build the app,
>>> and I think would relish having the help of this kind of group.
>>>
>>> Justin
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 13, 2007, at 4:29 PM, Chad Fowler wrote:
>>>
>>> Here's the email Justin Gehtland has been trying to send.  Getting
>>> stopped somehow:
>>>
>>> Recently, we were approached by an organization in North Carolina
>>> called TROSA [1].  They are a residential rehabilitation organization
>>> for substance abusers who have several businesses that the "clients"
>>> work in during their rehab in order to gain work experience and be
>>> part of a structured organization.  For example, we used them to move
>>> our furniture when we moved, and we buy our Christmas trees from them
>>> every year.
>>>
>>> The scenario is this:
>>>
>>> They have essentially "enterprise-level" needs.  They need an
>>> application to track their "clients", including things like medicine
>>> schedules, meetings with doctors and parole officers, tracking the
>>> admit process and the questionnaires they need to fill out, interface
>>> with government organizations, provide reports for the donors, etc.
>>> etc. etc.
>>>
>>> Their current infrastructure is based on 11 separate Access and/or
>>> Excel "applications" strung together will baling wire.
>>>
>>> Two years ago, they got a grant from (I think) the Kellogg Foundation
>>> to upgrade their infrastructure.  They found a company who said they
>>> would develop it in .NET Nuke. They spent two years and the entire
>>> grant and have no code to show for it, but they have very clear system
>>> requirements for what the application needs to do.
>>>
>>> It is very module, and could easily be tackled in small pieces, and
>>> those pieces have a high degree of possible reusability across
>>> charitable organizations.
>>>
>>> They have a small budget for this, since the whole grant was wasted.
>>> They also had unbelievably unrealistic timelines.  When we looked at
>>> the spec, we said it would be easily 9-18 months. Their original RFP
>>> (from two years ago) gave two months for dev.  Needless to say, they
>>> chose not to engage us to build the app.
>>>
>>> So, they are an ideal candidate because I don't think there is any way
>>> they are going to get something useful through normal commercial
>>> channels, due to the lack of funds compounded by lack of understanding
>>> of the nature of the beast.
>>>
>>>
>>> [1] http://www.trosainc.org/"
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Rubyforchange-talk mailing list
>>> Rubyforchange-talk at rubyforge.org
>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rubyforchange-talk
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------
>>> Justin Gehtland
>>> justin at thinkrelevance.com
>>> www.thinkrelevance.com
>>> 919.824.5409
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Rubyforchange-talk mailing list
>>> Rubyforchange-talk at rubyforge.org
>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rubyforchange-talk
>>>
>>> --------------------------
>>> First Rule of Kayak: When in doubt, paddle like hell
>>>
>>> Bruce Tate, CTO
>>>
>>> WellGood, LLC, makers of ChangingThePresent.org
>>>
>>> office:  512.266.2049
>>> mobile:  512.799.9366
>>> fax:  512.857.0415
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Rubyforchange-talk mailing list
>>> Rubyforchange-talk at rubyforge.org
>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rubyforchange-talk
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Rubyforchange-talk mailing list
>>> Rubyforchange-talk at rubyforge.org
>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rubyforchange-talk
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>> --
>> Giles Bowkett
>>
>> Blog: http://gilesbowkett.blogspot.com
>> Portfolio: http://www.gilesgoatboy.org
>> Tumblelog: http://giles.tumblr.com/
>> _______________________________________________
>> Rubyforchange-talk mailing list
>> Rubyforchange-talk at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rubyforchange-talk
>>
>>     
> _______________________________________________
> Rubyforchange-talk mailing list
> Rubyforchange-talk at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rubyforchange-talk
>
>   


From madcowley at gmail.com  Sun Sep 16 14:35:47 2007
From: madcowley at gmail.com (Matthew Cowley)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 14:35:47 -0400
Subject: [Rubyforchange-talk] volunteer scheduling
Message-ID: <46ED7783.4060301@gmail.com>

Quick update on the volunteer-scheduling task.  Turns out our volunteer 
coordinator needs something more powerful and finely-manageable than the 
volunteermatch site.  That site was what I was thinking of, but she 
needs to be able to do things like:
-- block individuals from signing up;
-- send emails to a subset of the volunteer group, based on 
location/skills/availability/etc
-- get reports on volunteer hours on several levels
-- automatically change a volunteer's status based on hours worked
etc

So, I'm going to write something custom for our app, based around the 
restful authentication stuff.  I'm gonna see what I can do to make it 
extractable into a plugin for other sites, as it's probably a common 
need.  Maybe when it's closer to running I'll solicit some 
code-review/pluginizable eyes.

We looked at something called ShiftBoard, which actually looks really 
cool, but for some reason they didn't like it.

matt


From evan at tiggerpalace.com  Sun Sep 16 18:25:13 2007
From: evan at tiggerpalace.com (Evan David Light)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 18:25:13 -0400
Subject: [Rubyforchange-talk] My project
In-Reply-To: <46ED7783.4060301@gmail.com>
References: <46ED7783.4060301@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E90A154A-79D7-457A-AB17-F871F36D43D1@tiggerpalace.com>

	Perhaps it bears mentioning my situation and the project that I'm  
working on to help my wife and I as well as others.  I hesitated to  
mention this project earlier as it is and has been very personal to  
me for reasons that I will explain.

	My wife has Huntington's Disease (HD)?

	What is Huntington's Disease, you ask?  In a few words: her brain is  
unstoppably and systematically destroying itself.  Unable to function  
well enough to continue toward her Masters in Education and work as a  
special needs teaching assistant, she went on long term disability  
two years ago.  At this point, she is effectively home bound with  
some ability to walk and a modest amount of independence.  Were it  
not for my parents, living next door, we would be up shit creek.   
While she has lost some cognitive capability, for now, she still  
retains much of who she was.

	When I explain this to people, at this point, some become very  
awkward -- uncertain of what to say.  Don't worry about that.  We've  
been dealing with it for a few years now.  It doesn't hurt to discuss  
-- and increasing awareness of HD can only be a Good Thing (TM).

	Getting back to my wife: she can use a computer well enough to  
execute simple operations -- like navigating simple web applications.

	See where I'm going yet?

	While there is no cure for her condition and only palliative  
treatment options, I can at least track the progression of her  
disease.  I thought that this may help her physicians, but at least  
me (!!!) to take better care of her.  I began to do so by semi- 
consistently asking simple questions such as "how did you sleep last  
night on a scale of 1 to 10?" and "what mood are you in?".  I would  
also rate her symptoms.  All of this, I stored in a simple text file.

	But why do it by hand?  Or even in person?  I realized that this  
process that I was accumulating, of interviewing my wife and scoring  
her, could be automated.  And that this information could be charted  
and plotted in numerous ways -- or even mined.  Additionally, the  
quality of the "interview" could be improved by making this  
application a platform where other caregivers could set up similar  
processes and share them in part or total.  Even further, the  
platform could automate simple tasks such as tracking my wife's  
prescription inventory, faxing the pharmacy for refills when she runs  
low, faxing her doctor requesting a new script when her refills run  
out, and possibly even assist in placing phone calls to doctors and  
pharmacists (for those with difficulty using phones -- such as my  
wife) using Asterisk and Adhearsion to implement a simple Jaja-like  
scheme.

	I've implemented an interview as a DSL and recently began using  
Gruff to volumetrically plot results.  However, the UI is terrible (I  
wrote it ;-) ).  I only have so much spare time and so much energy.   
I've had some intent of attempting to market the app to  
pharmaceutical companies to generate some income via advertisement --  
but, at this point, I'd rather see the rest of the application  
feature complete than to attempt to make any money off of it.   
Besides, my first priority is to put a tool out there to help myself,  
my wife, and anyone in a position similar to ours whether it be  
because of HD or some other condition.

	There are certainly enough independent functions that could allow  
for a team to develop the application.  I have the beginnings of a  
specification written out but it certainly would require more meat on  
its bones in order to be shareable.  But, before going there, is  
there any interest?

Sincerely,
Evan

From madcowley at gmail.com  Mon Sep 17 10:23:12 2007
From: madcowley at gmail.com (Matthew Cowley)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 10:23:12 -0400
Subject: [Rubyforchange-talk] My project
In-Reply-To: <E90A154A-79D7-457A-AB17-F871F36D43D1@tiggerpalace.com>
References: <46ED7783.4060301@gmail.com>
	<E90A154A-79D7-457A-AB17-F871F36D43D1@tiggerpalace.com>
Message-ID: <46EE8DD0.8080204@gmail.com>

Hi Evan,

Yes, I'd be interested in helping.
matt

Evan David Light wrote:
>
> 	There are certainly enough independent functions that could allow  
> for a team to develop the application.  I have the beginnings of a  
> specification written out but it certainly would require more meat on  
> its bones in order to be shareable.  But, before going there, is  
> there any interest?
>
> Sincerely,
> Evan
> _______________________________________________
> Rubyforchange-talk mailing list
> Rubyforchange-talk at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rubyforchange-talk
>
>   


From jeff at casimircreative.com  Tue Sep 18 23:11:02 2007
From: jeff at casimircreative.com (Jeff Casimir)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 23:11:02 -0400
Subject: [Rubyforchange-talk] Ok, so THAT is embarrassing
Message-ID: <70dad9df0709182011t2cf64ab0q1d98f9e4b7b9caca@mail.gmail.com>

RubyForChange-ers,

I have to apologize.  I thought I was signed up for the mailing list
but, apparently, never did it.  I didn't realize there had been any
discussion whatsoever until I just noticed email archives.

I am going to read through the archives in the next two days and offer
feedback/commentary as appropriate.

In better news, I am working on the first Ruby for Change event to be
held in conjunction with Ruby East outside Philadelphia in a week and
a half.  I sent some emails out to friends and speakers at the event,
but only managed to lasso a few people.  By the end of the day
tomorrow I want to have a publicity page posted with some information
about the event and a signup for interested parties.  Once that is up
I hope to elicit a little blog-pub from the community and rally a
small team of workers for a day-long hackfest.

Chariot Solutions, host of Ruby East, is renting a space for the event
all day Saturday (with power and internet).  I am going to try to dig
up a pizza/redbull/etc sponsor to fuel the activity.  I am hoping to
organize 5-20 people to tackle a project that can be functional by the
end of the day and useful to normal people.

While I'd take suggestions and input, I am kind of in love with the
idea of a document/file exchange system.  My school uses Microsoft's
Sharepoint and it is pretty....uhhh....underwhelming.  I'm envisioning
a system that makes extensive use of searchability, tagging, and
metadata to organize a "file system."  Kind of how GMail's archive
helped me let go of my complex folder hierarchies and filter chains in
Outlook, I want this project to do for documents.  Versioning, privacy
settings, maybe branching/merging, commenting, preview as html,
support for lots of file formats (graphics, ms office, openoffice,
pdf, etc) would all be cool features as programmer power/numbers
allow.  Does that sound interesting at all?

- Jeff

From evan at tiggerpalace.com  Tue Sep 18 23:14:22 2007
From: evan at tiggerpalace.com (Evan David Light)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 23:14:22 -0400
Subject: [Rubyforchange-talk] Ok, so THAT is embarrassing
In-Reply-To: <70dad9df0709182011t2cf64ab0q1d98f9e4b7b9caca@mail.gmail.com>
References: <70dad9df0709182011t2cf64ab0q1d98f9e4b7b9caca@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01E1C9DC-737D-4D20-B46E-E21EDE321965@tiggerpalace.com>

Will there be werewolves?

Sounds good to me.  See you in Philly!

On Sep 18, 2007, at 11:11 PM, Jeff Casimir wrote:

> RubyForChange-ers,
>
> I have to apologize.  I thought I was signed up for the mailing list
> but, apparently, never did it.  I didn't realize there had been any
> discussion whatsoever until I just noticed email archives.
>
> I am going to read through the archives in the next two days and offer
> feedback/commentary as appropriate.
>
> In better news, I am working on the first Ruby for Change event to be
> held in conjunction with Ruby East outside Philadelphia in a week and
> a half.  I sent some emails out to friends and speakers at the event,
> but only managed to lasso a few people.  By the end of the day
> tomorrow I want to have a publicity page posted with some information
> about the event and a signup for interested parties.  Once that is up
> I hope to elicit a little blog-pub from the community and rally a
> small team of workers for a day-long hackfest.
>
> Chariot Solutions, host of Ruby East, is renting a space for the event
> all day Saturday (with power and internet).  I am going to try to dig
> up a pizza/redbull/etc sponsor to fuel the activity.  I am hoping to
> organize 5-20 people to tackle a project that can be functional by the
> end of the day and useful to normal people.
>
> While I'd take suggestions and input, I am kind of in love with the
> idea of a document/file exchange system.  My school uses Microsoft's
> Sharepoint and it is pretty....uhhh....underwhelming.  I'm envisioning
> a system that makes extensive use of searchability, tagging, and
> metadata to organize a "file system."  Kind of how GMail's archive
> helped me let go of my complex folder hierarchies and filter chains in
> Outlook, I want this project to do for documents.  Versioning, privacy
> settings, maybe branching/merging, commenting, preview as html,
> support for lots of file formats (graphics, ms office, openoffice,
> pdf, etc) would all be cool features as programmer power/numbers
> allow.  Does that sound interesting at all?
>
> - Jeff
> _______________________________________________
> Rubyforchange-talk mailing list
> Rubyforchange-talk at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rubyforchange-talk


From helder at gmail.com  Wed Sep 19 15:18:35 2007
From: helder at gmail.com (Helder Ribeiro)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:18:35 -0300
Subject: [Rubyforchange-talk] TROSA
In-Reply-To: <46ED762C.5010208@gmail.com>
References: <c67184de0709131329l2cd89bbejc1932d7614a00580@mail.gmail.com>
	<70E0B400-8526-4BEF-8950-F7BD7C1CC1B4@thinkrelevance.com>
	<041C857D-2234-40B0-9AEA-E68E7BACF544@rapidred.com>
	<42AD5354-C806-486C-8776-5A8D15B199AC@tiggerpalace.com>
	<2d81dedb0709131718u681aabfuf6812f34e42772dc@mail.gmail.com>
	<c67184de0709132329jb69d8dqfda67421a6bc777c@mail.gmail.com>
	<46ED762C.5010208@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9bb72e130709191218t37562689ne3d163e78ca886a8@mail.gmail.com>

Hey, I'm all in! Just to clear this out: are they ok with this having
an MIT-like license? I'm assuming we'd have the usual FOSS tools to
work on this (public repository, trackers, mailing lists, etc.), and
it'd be a bit tougher (and totally less cool) if the thing itself
weren't to be FOSS.

Btw, who would be "in charge"? I think it'd be important to have
someone heading this, as people have varying degrees of time to
dedicate, and an appropriate division of responsabilities could be
interesting.

Btw(2), is anyone here going to RubyConf? Any chance of a R4Change meetup?


Cheers,

Helder

2007/9/16, Matthew Cowley <madcowley at gmail.com>:
> Sounds good to me.
>
>
> Chad Fowler wrote:
> > "me too!"
> >
> > I think this would be a great first group to work with, and if Clinton
> > wants to volunteer to take the lead it sounds like we have a
> > near-perfect situation to get started.  Justin, would you like to make
> > an introduction?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Chad
> >
> > On 9/14/07, Giles Bowkett <gilesb at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Clinton and Justin - can you get us more detail on their reqs.?
> >>
> >> On 9/13/07, Evan David Light <evan at tiggerpalace.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Well said.  Sounds good to me.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sep 13, 2007, at 5:25 PM, Bruce Tate wrote:
> >>> If they have strong requirements, a motivation to work with us, and a strong
> >>> need, it sounds like a good customer.
> >>>
> >>> -bt
> >>>
> >>> On Sep 13, 2007, at 3:51 PM, Justin Gehtland wrote:
> >>> Trying to reply to this (seeing if it makes it through, now):
> >>>
> >>> That organization is still searching for the right people to build the app,
> >>> and I think would relish having the help of this kind of group.
> >>>
> >>> Justin
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sep 13, 2007, at 4:29 PM, Chad Fowler wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Here's the email Justin Gehtland has been trying to send.  Getting
> >>> stopped somehow:
> >>>
> >>> Recently, we were approached by an organization in North Carolina
> >>> called TROSA [1].  They are a residential rehabilitation organization
> >>> for substance abusers who have several businesses that the "clients"
> >>> work in during their rehab in order to gain work experience and be
> >>> part of a structured organization.  For example, we used them to move
> >>> our furniture when we moved, and we buy our Christmas trees from them
> >>> every year.
> >>>
> >>> The scenario is this:
> >>>
> >>> They have essentially "enterprise-level" needs.  They need an
> >>> application to track their "clients", including things like medicine
> >>> schedules, meetings with doctors and parole officers, tracking the
> >>> admit process and the questionnaires they need to fill out, interface
> >>> with government organizations, provide reports for the donors, etc.
> >>> etc. etc.
> >>>
> >>> Their current infrastructure is based on 11 separate Access and/or
> >>> Excel "applications" strung together will baling wire.
> >>>
> >>> Two years ago, they got a grant from (I think) the Kellogg Foundation
> >>> to upgrade their infrastructure.  They found a company who said they
> >>> would develop it in .NET Nuke. They spent two years and the entire
> >>> grant and have no code to show for it, but they have very clear system
> >>> requirements for what the application needs to do.
> >>>
> >>> It is very module, and could easily be tackled in small pieces, and
> >>> those pieces have a high degree of possible reusability across
> >>> charitable organizations.
> >>>
> >>> They have a small budget for this, since the whole grant was wasted.
> >>> They also had unbelievably unrealistic timelines.  When we looked at
> >>> the spec, we said it would be easily 9-18 months. Their original RFP
> >>> (from two years ago) gave two months for dev.  Needless to say, they
> >>> chose not to engage us to build the app.
> >>>
> >>> So, they are an ideal candidate because I don't think there is any way
> >>> they are going to get something useful through normal commercial
> >>> channels, due to the lack of funds compounded by lack of understanding
> >>> of the nature of the beast.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> [1] http://www.trosainc.org/"
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Rubyforchange-talk mailing list
> >>> Rubyforchange-talk at rubyforge.org
> >>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rubyforchange-talk
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----------------------------------
> >>> Justin Gehtland
> >>> justin at thinkrelevance.com
> >>> www.thinkrelevance.com
> >>> 919.824.5409
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Rubyforchange-talk mailing list
> >>> Rubyforchange-talk at rubyforge.org
> >>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rubyforchange-talk
> >>>
> >>> --------------------------
> >>> First Rule of Kayak: When in doubt, paddle like hell
> >>>
> >>> Bruce Tate, CTO
> >>>
> >>> WellGood, LLC, makers of ChangingThePresent.org
> >>>
> >>> office:  512.266.2049
> >>> mobile:  512.799.9366
> >>> fax:  512.857.0415
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Rubyforchange-talk mailing list
> >>> Rubyforchange-talk at rubyforge.org
> >>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rubyforchange-talk
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Rubyforchange-talk mailing list
> >>> Rubyforchange-talk at rubyforge.org
> >>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rubyforchange-talk
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >> --
> >> Giles Bowkett
> >>
> >> Blog: http://gilesbowkett.blogspot.com
> >> Portfolio: http://www.gilesgoatboy.org
> >> Tumblelog: http://giles.tumblr.com/
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Rubyforchange-talk mailing list
> >> Rubyforchange-talk at rubyforge.org
> >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rubyforchange-talk
> >>
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rubyforchange-talk mailing list
> > Rubyforchange-talk at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rubyforchange-talk
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rubyforchange-talk mailing list
> Rubyforchange-talk at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rubyforchange-talk
>


-- 
http://obvio171.wordpress.com

From madcowley at gmail.com  Wed Sep 19 15:36:52 2007
From: madcowley at gmail.com (Matthew Cowley)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:36:52 -0400
Subject: [Rubyforchange-talk] rubyconf
In-Reply-To: <9bb72e130709191218t37562689ne3d163e78ca886a8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c67184de0709131329l2cd89bbejc1932d7614a00580@mail.gmail.com>	<70E0B400-8526-4BEF-8950-F7BD7C1CC1B4@thinkrelevance.com>	<041C857D-2234-40B0-9AEA-E68E7BACF544@rapidred.com>	<42AD5354-C806-486C-8776-5A8D15B199AC@tiggerpalace.com>	<2d81dedb0709131718u681aabfuf6812f34e42772dc@mail.gmail.com>	<c67184de0709132329jb69d8dqfda67421a6bc777c@mail.gmail.com>	<46ED762C.5010208@gmail.com>
	<9bb72e130709191218t37562689ne3d163e78ca886a8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46F17A54.3040705@gmail.com>

I'll be there.

Helder Ribeiro wrote:
>
> Btw(2), is anyone here going to RubyConf? Any chance of a R4Change meetup?
>
>   


From evan at tiggerpalace.com  Wed Sep 19 15:39:46 2007
From: evan at tiggerpalace.com (Evan David Light)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:39:46 -0400
Subject: [Rubyforchange-talk] rubyconf
In-Reply-To: <46F17A54.3040705@gmail.com>
References: <c67184de0709131329l2cd89bbejc1932d7614a00580@mail.gmail.com>	<70E0B400-8526-4BEF-8950-F7BD7C1CC1B4@thinkrelevance.com>	<041C857D-2234-40B0-9AEA-E68E7BACF544@rapidred.com>	<42AD5354-C806-486C-8776-5A8D15B199AC@tiggerpalace.com>	<2d81dedb0709131718u681aabfuf6812f34e42772dc@mail.gmail.com>	<c67184de0709132329jb69d8dqfda67421a6bc777c@mail.gmail.com>	<46ED762C.5010208@gmail.com>
	<9bb72e130709191218t37562689ne3d163e78ca886a8@mail.gmail.com>
	<46F17A54.3040705@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <132CFDE4-8F66-406D-801E-C949BDDE04C0@tiggerpalace.com>

Same.

Also think it's a given that Chad will be there. ;-)

On Sep 19, 2007, at 3:36 PM, Matthew Cowley wrote:

> I'll be there.
>
> Helder Ribeiro wrote:
>>
>> Btw(2), is anyone here going to RubyConf? Any chance of a R4Change  
>> meetup?
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rubyforchange-talk mailing list
> Rubyforchange-talk at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rubyforchange-talk


From jeff at casimircreative.com  Wed Sep 19 16:49:29 2007
From: jeff at casimircreative.com (Jeff Casimir)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:49:29 -0400
Subject: [Rubyforchange-talk] rubyconf
In-Reply-To: <132CFDE4-8F66-406D-801E-C949BDDE04C0@tiggerpalace.com>
References: <c67184de0709131329l2cd89bbejc1932d7614a00580@mail.gmail.com>
	<70E0B400-8526-4BEF-8950-F7BD7C1CC1B4@thinkrelevance.com>
	<041C857D-2234-40B0-9AEA-E68E7BACF544@rapidred.com>
	<42AD5354-C806-486C-8776-5A8D15B199AC@tiggerpalace.com>
	<2d81dedb0709131718u681aabfuf6812f34e42772dc@mail.gmail.com>
	<c67184de0709132329jb69d8dqfda67421a6bc777c@mail.gmail.com>
	<46ED762C.5010208@gmail.com>
	<9bb72e130709191218t37562689ne3d163e78ca886a8@mail.gmail.com>
	<46F17A54.3040705@gmail.com>
	<132CFDE4-8F66-406D-801E-C949BDDE04C0@tiggerpalace.com>
Message-ID: <70dad9df0709191349i8f09691g4deb92a108ed4598@mail.gmail.com>

I'll be attending and Chad & I will definitely coordinate at least a
meeting if not an "event" of somekind.

- Jeff

On 9/19/07, Evan David Light <evan at tiggerpalace.com> wrote:
> Same.
>
> Also think it's a given that Chad will be there. ;-)
>
> On Sep 19, 2007, at 3:36 PM, Matthew Cowley wrote:
>
> > I'll be there.
> >
> > Helder Ribeiro wrote:
> >>
> >> Btw(2), is anyone here going to RubyConf? Any chance of a R4Change
> >> meetup?
> >>
> >>
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rubyforchange-talk mailing list
> > Rubyforchange-talk at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rubyforchange-talk
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rubyforchange-talk mailing list
> Rubyforchange-talk at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rubyforchange-talk
>

From jeff at casimircreative.com  Wed Sep 19 20:52:36 2007
From: jeff at casimircreative.com (Jeff Casimir)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:52:36 -0400
Subject: [Rubyforchange-talk] Event: Codefest @ Ruby East
Message-ID: <70dad9df0709191752o6cba1938tf7b2f95d9e9c51a4@mail.gmail.com>

Ruby for Change Squad,

I've launched a barebones site to coordinate the upcoming Ruby for
Change event at the Ruby East conference.  Check it out at
http://www.rubyforchange.org

>From the site...........

Our first event will be held in conjunction with the Ruby East
conference. The conference is September 29th outside Philadelphia on
the Penn State campus. Our Codefest will take place at the same
location on the following day, Saturday, September 30th.

The Codefest will run approximately 9AM to 5PM. During that time a
team of somewhere between 2 and 20 will collaborate to create a
functional project. The front-runner concept is a file management
application.

The file-management utility will be a collaboration and archiving tool
that does deep indexing of content and metadata. Small organizations
waste time and effort by constantly emailing around documents. They
frequently develop competing versions, get lost, or are difficult to
find. Our project would introduce a web-based file management tool
that uses file metadata, tagging, and content inspection to create a
highly searchable archive. Files should be versioned, HTML
previewable, and have privacy/access controls.

As a group we'll meet up Saturday morning and have a functioning app
by the evening. If you can contribute a few hours of your expertise it
would be appreciated. We're looking for Rails programmers, pure
Rubyists, deployment/systems specialists, and graphic designers. It
should be a great opportunity to meet interesting people, sharpen your
skills, and have a little fun while creating a useful product.

If you're interested in participating, please visit the registration
page and signup (http://rubyforchange.org/registrations/new)!

.............

I know the page is butt ugly - sorry!  Bruce is putting the finishing
touches on a logo as he travels across Europe and, once it's done, I
hope we can put a little energy into the visual appearance.

Thoughts?  Feedback?  Criticism?

Thanks,
Jeff

From gilesb at gmail.com  Fri Sep 21 03:44:20 2007
From: gilesb at gmail.com (Giles Bowkett)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 00:44:20 -0700
Subject: [Rubyforchange-talk] excitement
Message-ID: <2d81dedb0709210044s31d14677s1a1b8e7d903a5339@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all - just been thinking. I tried to get a fundraising thing to
happen at OSCON, to match the fundraising thing from RailsConf, and it
really didn't get as far as I hoped it would. I didn't capture the
imagination and excitement of the participants. In fact most people
didn't even know it was happening. Chad's fundraising at RailsConf was
much more successful, and it happened A) because everybody knew about
it, and B) because people got excited about it. I think the keys to
making something like this succeed are excitement and participation.
I'm just wondering about that. It's kind of the (yikes) marketing side
of the whole equation.

-- 
Giles Bowkett

Blog: http://gilesbowkett.blogspot.com
Portfolio: http://www.gilesgoatboy.org
Tumblelog: http://giles.tumblr.com/

From evan at tiggerpalace.com  Fri Sep 21 06:58:13 2007
From: evan at tiggerpalace.com (Evan David Light)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 06:58:13 -0400
Subject: [Rubyforchange-talk] excitement
In-Reply-To: <2d81dedb0709210044s31d14677s1a1b8e7d903a5339@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2d81dedb0709210044s31d14677s1a1b8e7d903a5339@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <724CEA5A-ABC4-43E8-A845-CCE32C39EC90@tiggerpalace.com>

I imagine its also because we inherently have a narrower focus as the  
Ruby community than the larger OSS community.

Evan

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 21, 2007, at 3:44 AM, "Giles Bowkett" <gilesb at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all - just been thinking. I tried to get a fundraising thing to
> happen at OSCON, to match the fundraising thing from RailsConf, and it
> really didn't get as far as I hoped it would. I didn't capture the
> imagination and excitement of the participants. In fact most people
> didn't even know it was happening. Chad's fundraising at RailsConf was
> much more successful, and it happened A) because everybody knew about
> it, and B) because people got excited about it. I think the keys to
> making something like this succeed are excitement and participation.
> I'm just wondering about that. It's kind of the (yikes) marketing side
> of the whole equation.
>
> -- 
> Giles Bowkett
>
> Blog: http://gilesbowkett.blogspot.com
> Portfolio: http://www.gilesgoatboy.org
> Tumblelog: http://giles.tumblr.com/
> _______________________________________________
> Rubyforchange-talk mailing list
> Rubyforchange-talk at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rubyforchange-talk

From jim at jimvanfleet.com  Sun Sep 23 08:52:35 2007
From: jim at jimvanfleet.com (Jim Van Fleet)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 08:52:35 -0400
Subject: [Rubyforchange-talk] Volunteer call
Message-ID: <c537ee140709230552lf5a79aaj28b4b5f92cf1e07c@mail.gmail.com>

Some of you may remember my introduction of CISV.  We already have a
Rails project deployed at http://www.cisvuniversity.org/  It is to
support our leadership training efforts here in the US.  I currently
have a small list of bugs that I'd like to ask for the group's help in
resolving.

This is a perfect opportunity for beginning to intermediate Rails
developers to get their feet wet.  I can tell you pretty much
everything you have to do on a technical level to resolve the bugs,
and I also serve as a project manager and liaison to the client.  In
addition, many of the bugs are very small.  I think it would be a
great resume item for someone trying to make the transition to a job
doing Rails to show that you had experience working on a real project.

If any of you are interested, please consider responding to me
personally at jim at jimvanfleet.com.

Thanks very much for your time,

Jim Van Fleet

From evan at tiggerpalace.com  Sun Sep 23 14:40:22 2007
From: evan at tiggerpalace.com (Evan David Light)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 14:40:22 -0400
Subject: [Rubyforchange-talk] Code Fest head count @ Ruby East?
Message-ID: <6E6C9E6C-B0D9-4EC3-A852-3697B1AAEEAC@tiggerpalace.com>

Jeff,

    What's the current head count at?

    Look forward to seeing you all Friday and Saturday.

Evan

Sent from my iPhone

From jeff at casimircreative.com  Thu Sep 27 11:36:42 2007
From: jeff at casimircreative.com (Jeff Casimir)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:36:42 -0400
Subject: [Rubyforchange-talk] Ruby for Change Codefest
Message-ID: <70dad9df0709270836h732ec485t96c064e398eec5ec@mail.gmail.com>

Codefest Volunteers (and Ruby for Change list),

I haven't done a good job as organizer of this event - apologies that
I haven't been in better touch.

I hope you're all excited about this weekend.  Tomorrow's speakers
look impressive, even those Ruport guys (cough).  I am hoping that we
can recruit a few more participants for Saturday during the day
tomorrow.

I'm getting all the logistical details from the Chariot people
tomorrow, but basically we have a big space for Saturday 9-4.  I'm
bringing at least one projector, a box of markers, some big planning
paper, whiteboard markers, a printer, an extra power strip or two (I'm
a little short on them at the moment), and whatever else makes it into
my trunk.  I can pickup/drop people off as necessary.  The facility
has wireless access.  Please let me know if there are any other
requests.

Elevated Rails has given us some cash for food & supplies.   Giles
suggested that we might donate a chunk of that money to a good cause,
but I've decided to hold on to it.  We'll buy the supplies for this
event and save the remainder for the next one.  Hopefully, over time,
we can build a bit of a war chest that enables bigger and more
impactful projects.

I am working on some pre-planning today and tonight.  Tomorrow I could
use help with preparing the support structures (like setting up the
RubyForge project/svn if anyone has experience there) and spreading
the word.

Questions?  Comments?  Heckling?

- Jeff

From ivey at gweezlebur.com  Thu Sep 27 11:59:38 2007
From: ivey at gweezlebur.com (Michael D. Ivey)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 10:59:38 -0500
Subject: [Rubyforchange-talk] Ruby for Change Codefest
In-Reply-To: <70dad9df0709270836h732ec485t96c064e398eec5ec@mail.gmail.com>
References: <70dad9df0709270836h732ec485t96c064e398eec5ec@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2E275D79-9012-4830-8D55-E9A8A3DC6BD3@gweezlebur.com>

On Sep 27, 2007, at 10:36 AM, Jeff Casimir wrote:
> Tomorrow I could use help with preparing the support structures  
> (like setting up the RubyForge project/svn if anyone has experience  
> there)

It takes a while, as much as 72 hours, so I would recommend doing  
that ASAP.

I won't be at the event, but I'm interested in helping if there's  
room for remote folks.

From evan at tiggerpalace.com  Thu Sep 27 17:03:26 2007
From: evan at tiggerpalace.com (Evan David Light)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:03:26 -0400
Subject: [Rubyforchange-talk] Ruby for Change Codefest
In-Reply-To: <2E275D79-9012-4830-8D55-E9A8A3DC6BD3@gweezlebur.com>
References: <70dad9df0709270836h732ec485t96c064e398eec5ec@mail.gmail.com>
	<2E275D79-9012-4830-8D55-E9A8A3DC6BD3@gweezlebur.com>
Message-ID: <BEF6DF06-0AEF-421B-8EAF-4ED60689BE66@tiggerpalace.com>

Jeff just informed me that Chad had already set up the project.

FYI, Jeff, that means that the project already has an SVN  
associated.  We'll just need to add commiters to the project.  We may  
also want to keep that somewhat controlled; that's a topic for  
discussion at Ruby East.

On Sep 27, 2007, at 11:59 AM, Michael D. Ivey wrote:

> On Sep 27, 2007, at 10:36 AM, Jeff Casimir wrote:
>> Tomorrow I could use help with preparing the support structures
>> (like setting up the RubyForge project/svn if anyone has experience
>> there)
>
> It takes a while, as much as 72 hours, so I would recommend doing
> that ASAP.
>
> I won't be at the event, but I'm interested in helping if there's
> room for remote folks.
> _______________________________________________
> Rubyforchange-talk mailing list
> Rubyforchange-talk at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rubyforchange-talk


From tonydevlin at gmail.com  Thu Sep 27 17:12:55 2007
From: tonydevlin at gmail.com (Tony Devlin)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:12:55 -0400
Subject: [Rubyforchange-talk] Ruby for Change Codefest
In-Reply-To: <BEF6DF06-0AEF-421B-8EAF-4ED60689BE66@tiggerpalace.com>
References: <70dad9df0709270836h732ec485t96c064e398eec5ec@mail.gmail.com>
	<2E275D79-9012-4830-8D55-E9A8A3DC6BD3@gweezlebur.com>
	<BEF6DF06-0AEF-421B-8EAF-4ED60689BE66@tiggerpalace.com>
Message-ID: <e09432d30709271412r48a913fn4a15a6123592b82@mail.gmail.com>

Don't forget us folks who won't be attending Ruby-East but will be attending
others "such as rubyconf"

:)


On 9/27/07, Evan David Light <evan at tiggerpalace.com> wrote:
>
> Jeff just informed me that Chad had already set up the project.
>
> FYI, Jeff, that means that the project already has an SVN
> associated.  We'll just need to add commiters to the project.  We may
> also want to keep that somewhat controlled; that's a topic for
> discussion at Ruby East.
>
> On Sep 27, 2007, at 11:59 AM, Michael D. Ivey wrote:
>
> > On Sep 27, 2007, at 10:36 AM, Jeff Casimir wrote:
> >> Tomorrow I could use help with preparing the support structures
> >> (like setting up the RubyForge project/svn if anyone has experience
> >> there)
> >
> > It takes a while, as much as 72 hours, so I would recommend doing
> > that ASAP.
> >
> > I won't be at the event, but I'm interested in helping if there's
> > room for remote folks.
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rubyforchange-talk mailing list
> > Rubyforchange-talk at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rubyforchange-talk
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rubyforchange-talk mailing list
> Rubyforchange-talk at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rubyforchange-talk
>
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From evan at tiggerpalace.com  Thu Sep 27 17:14:23 2007
From: evan at tiggerpalace.com (Evan David Light)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:14:23 -0400
Subject: [Rubyforchange-talk] Ruby for Change Codefest
In-Reply-To: <e09432d30709271412r48a913fn4a15a6123592b82@mail.gmail.com>
References: <70dad9df0709270836h732ec485t96c064e398eec5ec@mail.gmail.com>
	<2E275D79-9012-4830-8D55-E9A8A3DC6BD3@gweezlebur.com>
	<BEF6DF06-0AEF-421B-8EAF-4ED60689BE66@tiggerpalace.com>
	<e09432d30709271412r48a913fn4a15a6123592b82@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D89FCFE5-70FE-4B52-A1B7-43C33F97C9E2@tiggerpalace.com>

You're kidding, right?  You couldn't be bothered to drive the 7+  
hours to Philly?  You must not be interested in helping. ;-)  Totally  
kidding.

And DYING for a werewolf game.  Have 3 bodies -- possibly 3 more   
Looking for victims... er... villagers... er... p[ayers.

On Sep 27, 2007, at 5:12 PM, Tony Devlin wrote:

> Don't forget us folks who won't be attending Ruby-East but will be  
> attending others "such as rubyconf"
>
> :)
>
>
> On 9/27/07, Evan David Light <evan at tiggerpalace.com> wrote:
> Jeff just informed me that Chad had already set up the project.
>
> FYI, Jeff, that means that the project already has an SVN
> associated.  We'll just need to add commiters to the project.  We may
> also want to keep that somewhat controlled; that's a topic for
> discussion at Ruby East.
>
> On Sep 27, 2007, at 11:59 AM, Michael D. Ivey wrote:
>
> > On Sep 27, 2007, at 10:36 AM, Jeff Casimir wrote:
> >> Tomorrow I could use help with preparing the support structures
> >> (like setting up the RubyForge project/svn if anyone has experience
> >> there)
> >
> > It takes a while, as much as 72 hours, so I would recommend doing
> > that ASAP.
> >
> > I won't be at the event, but I'm interested in helping if there's
> > room for remote folks.
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rubyforchange-talk mailing list
> > Rubyforchange-talk at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rubyforchange-talk
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rubyforchange-talk mailing list
> Rubyforchange-talk at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rubyforchange-talk
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rubyforchange-talk mailing list
> Rubyforchange-talk at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rubyforchange-talk

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From gilesb at gmail.com  Thu Sep 27 21:49:11 2007
From: gilesb at gmail.com (Giles Bowkett)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:49:11 -0400
Subject: [Rubyforchange-talk] Ruby for Change Codefest
In-Reply-To: <D89FCFE5-70FE-4B52-A1B7-43C33F97C9E2@tiggerpalace.com>
References: <70dad9df0709270836h732ec485t96c064e398eec5ec@mail.gmail.com>
	<2E275D79-9012-4830-8D55-E9A8A3DC6BD3@gweezlebur.com>
	<BEF6DF06-0AEF-421B-8EAF-4ED60689BE66@tiggerpalace.com>
	<e09432d30709271412r48a913fn4a15a6123592b82@mail.gmail.com>
	<D89FCFE5-70FE-4B52-A1B7-43C33F97C9E2@tiggerpalace.com>
Message-ID: <2d81dedb0709271849k75109474md3783019fc3eaffe@mail.gmail.com>

> And DYING for a werewolf game.  Have 3 bodies -- possibly 3 more  Looking
> for victims... er... villagers... er... p[ayers.

Werewolf WILL happen. Find me.

-- 
Giles Bowkett

Blog: http://gilesbowkett.blogspot.com
Portfolio: http://www.gilesgoatboy.org
Tumblelog: http://giles.tumblr.com/

From gilesb at gmail.com  Thu Sep 27 21:50:27 2007
From: gilesb at gmail.com (Giles Bowkett)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:50:27 -0400
Subject: [Rubyforchange-talk] Ruby for Change Codefest
In-Reply-To: <70dad9df0709270836h732ec485t96c064e398eec5ec@mail.gmail.com>
References: <70dad9df0709270836h732ec485t96c064e398eec5ec@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2d81dedb0709271850h4063f558ia69c647f440d1a9c@mail.gmail.com>

> Elevated Rails has given us some cash for food & supplies.   Giles
> suggested that we might donate a chunk of that money to a good cause,
> but I've decided to hold on to it.

Evil!

> We'll buy the supplies for this
> event and save the remainder for the next one.  Hopefully, over time,
> we can build a bit of a war chest that enables bigger and more
> impactful projects.

Oh, OK.

It's 10pm and I've been in the Philly airport since 7ish, counting
runway time, but I'm down to help.

-- 
Giles Bowkett

Blog: http://gilesbowkett.blogspot.com
Portfolio: http://www.gilesgoatboy.org
Tumblelog: http://giles.tumblr.com/