[rspec-users] [Cucumber:4144] Cucumber vs, RSpec

Pat Maddox mailinglists at patmaddox.com
Fri Apr 23 00:40:54 EDT 2010


On Apr 22, 2010, at 9:57 AM, Zach Moazeni wrote:

> I'll jump in here as I was one of the guys who presented a shift in my testing strategies at the Great Lakes Ruby Bash.
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> To give some context, I've built projects that were very focused on isolation tests that used Rspec and Mocks to assert behavior. I do think there is merit in using BDD as a code-design tool, however I have also maintained large test suites that had more historical context than regression value. I consider this inside-out testing. Developing/Testing at the unit level and then bubbling out to an Acceptance test.
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> I've been subtly migrating to what I consider outside-in testing, starting with Acceptance tests and then moving to a unit level if necessary. And as a result I've felt much better about the codebases (including the tests). Although I was getting a bit uneasy since I haven't heard of other developers experiencing similar pain points. Talking with a few developers at the Great Lakes Ruby Bash was really refreshing because not only did it sound like they had similar pains, but they were going down the same path I was.
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> I was one of the guys who did a lightning talk on a library I'm working on (Harvested, a Ruby API wrapper for Harvest http://github.com/zmoazeni/harvested). And I do have a 90/10 split in Acceptance vs Unit with I'm cool with. I wasn't throwing out those numbers as what you should shoot for, but just anecdotal experience.
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> I recognize that I may be criticized for writing untested code or that I'm disagreeing with BDD/TDD. I'm don't think I am. I feel I've gone way too far on the side of testing, and after reflecting on my experiences with past projects feeling the pendulum swinging back towards a healthy balance.
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> Some specific opinions I have are: I don't test Controllers or Views or Rails-DSL validations (e.g. validates_presence_of, validates_uniqueness_of). I do test "interesting validations", and instead of testing "interesting controller actions" I prefer to refactor that so the controller is very minimalist. The same goes for views, I pull away anything that looks "interesting" in a view. This is totally subjective, so I don't have a great way to clarify what I mean by "interesting".
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> I don't disagree with mocks, but I would rather have a "boxed functional test" (sorry running out of language here) that test how multiple objects behave together and use mocks/stubs to form the boundaries of the tests.
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> Hopefully this doesn't come across as another post of "I don't see the point of testing", or "Mocks are silly". Additionally, I'm a bit nervous posting these thoughts to an audience that are most likely going to disagree with this strategy. So I would welcome any support along with critiques on these ideas.


I know several people who have reported success using a similar approach.

Pat


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