[rspec-users] [Cucumber:4066] Cucumber vs, RSpec
dchelimsky at gmail.com
Tue Apr 20 15:05:03 EDT 2010
On Apr 20, 2010, at 1:57 PM, Mike Sassak wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 2:33 PM, Ed Howland <ed.howland at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Please forgive the x-post.
>> I just got back from the Great Lakes Ruby Bash. They had several good
>> presentations, two specific to BDD and Cucumber. I also talked to
>> several CEOs and devs afterwards, and the overall takeaway I gathered
>> was a shift to less RSpec and more Cucumber. Some people even claimed
>> a 90/10 split (cukes/specs) on current projects.
>> This was surorising to me and not at all how I worked up to this
>> point. I was more 20/80. I usually cuked a feature, then spec'ed the
>> code to make the cuke work. Each release had some new features and
>> specs for all the underlying code. Apparently, the feeling is that you
>> should do all your main thrusts with Cucumber and use RSpec for edge
>> cases. The theory is that you can change out all the underlying code
>> and the cukes still pass.
>> What is the communities consensus on this?
> Hi Ed,
> I was also at the GLRB, and was a bit aghast at the claim that you
> should have a 90/10 split between cukes and rspec. In my experience,
> favoring Cucumber so heavily invites developing code that behaves
> correctly, but is messy and difficult to change. I would go so far as
> to claim there is a positive correlation between over-reliance on
> Cucumber features and rampant violations of the SOLID principles.
> Cucumber simply doesn't excel at enforcing simple, testable contracts
> between the objects in your code base the way RSpec does. The result
> is that your code is hard to refactor and change, which from the
> developer's point of view is practically the whole reason to maintain
> a good test suite in the first place. This isn't the whole of the
> story by any means, but I think it's close to the place to start.
> P.S. Hello RSpec Group! What's the etiquette here for cross-posting?
Etiquette, schmetiquette :)
I'd say, in the interest of keeping the thread in one place, post to the rspec list w/ a link to this thread in the cuke group and invite folks to join the convo.
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