[rspec-users] Should(not?) test associations (was: Dealing with dependent data)

Jim Gay jim at saturnflyer.com
Sat Jun 28 09:52:17 EDT 2008

On Jun 28, 2008, at 5:32 AM, David Chelimsky wrote:
> I'm beginning to regret the validity example, because it is somewhat  
> structural as well. The behaviour is not whether it's valid or not,  
> but rather whether you can save it or not. So scratch the example I  
> gave earlier and think about this:
> describe Project do
>  describe "when trying to save" do
>    it "should complain if it has no owner" do
>      lambda do
>        Project.new(:owner => nil).save!
>      end.should raise_error(ActiveRecord::RecordInvalid)
>    end
>  end
> end
> (Zach Dennis - this nesting structure should make you happy :) )
> That make a bit more sense?


> One key aspect of BDD is working Outside-In. I try to start with a  
> story and to drive things down from the view to the model (in  
> Rails). So maybe my story is that as an owner I can edit my  
> projects, but not other people's projects. This is going to  
> naturally lead me towards examples that will implicitly cover the  
> fact that an owner can more than 0 projects without actually  
> specifying that directly.

Trying to wrap my head around how to go about BDD has been difficult  
and I think I now understand why. Many of the examples I've seen for  
RSpec have used things like "should be valid" when that doesn't  
actually describe behavior at all. The first RSpec generated Rails  
specs that I used had plenty of this but that seems to be more about  
implementation than behavior, so I've had trouble understanding how to  
really describe behavior.

Little by little I'm getting it, but I unfortunately don't feel like I  
have time to go BDD cold turkey.  I still do some code first and then  
spec, but I understand the benefits of BDD and I'm sure I'll get to  
that point eventually.

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