[rspec-users] [rspec-devel] Rspec Brown Bag

aslak hellesoy aslak.hellesoy at gmail.com
Tue Nov 21 18:46:25 EST 2006

On 11/21/06, Brian Takita <brian.takita at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
> I'm scheduled to give a rspec brown bag this Wednesday (11/22) for my
> company (Pivotal Computer Systems, http://www.pivotalsf.com). I did see Dave
> Astel's talk as well as several of my coworkers.
> The developers at my workplace are experienced Agile developers.
> What would be some good things to focus on for this brown bag?
> Are there slides to presentations that would be useful?
> Any resistance/skepticism, and how to best address these concerns?

I have had success with an explanation of the TDD journey as described here:

I usually present it with takahashi-style slides
(http://tinyurl.com/o6psh) with the following words (one on each
* tests
* confidence
* before
* documentation
* discovery
* behaviour
* mocking

> I'm kindof nervous because there is some skepticism toward rspec and BDD.
> Mainly:
> Test::Unit already does that, so why do we need rspec?
> It's not production ready. (Stack traces are too cluttered for RspecOnRails;
> although this opinion was based on version 0.6)
> New people will be confused seeing rspec code (although this is solved by
> more education, usage, encapsulation, etc.)
> BDD is TDD using "should" instead of "assert"
> There are also a number of people who do see benefits to using rspec and are
> excited by it, so I do have "allies". :)
> I'm particularly interested in showing:
> How BDD is really good TDD without sounding religious
> How rspec encourages developers to create better "tests" than
> Test::UnitThank you,
> Brian Takita
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