[Rspec-devel] define_instance_method, stub_with, and mock_with

David Astels dastels at daveastels.com
Mon Sep 4 21:08:57 EDT 2006

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On 4-Sep-06, at 9:37 PM, Jay Levitt wrote:

> David Astels wrote:
>> On 4-Sep-06, at 8:49 PM, David Astels wrote:
>>> I will be looking hard at mocha/stubba tonight, but they look like a
>>> good way to go.  I'm quite happy to have us depricate rSpec's mock
>>> framework in favour of mocha/stubba.
>> Well.. on first glance Mocha seems significantly inferior to rSpec
>> mocks.  No support for consecutive calls, primitive argument
>> matching, no ordering, and a rather clunky syntax.
> Is that inherent to Mocha's structure, though, or just a function  
> of the
> fact that Mocha's all of 45 days old?  I wonder if contributing these
> features to Mocha isn't better than creating a
> pluggable-framework-framework.  In fact, I think I can argue that in
> either case:
Probably.  Both mocha and rspec-mock are built partly on the same  
base (Schmock)... it should be easy to add these capabilities to Mocha.

> If these features are inherent to the mock object, then there's no  
> way a
> pluggable framework could support such verifications on Mocha objects.
> If, however, they're inherent to the verification layer, then  
> there's no
> reason they can't be contributed to Mocha, thus getting rspec out  
> of the
> mock business.

Verification is internal to the mock and it's expectations.  The call  
to verify the mock is exposed to the outer framework (test/unit or  

Either way is fine with me.  I do wonder what's better for the  
community... a single, common mock framework... or some selection/ 

I generally tend to favour the latter.


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