From idclick at free.fr  Sat Aug  8 02:44:30 2009
From: idclick at free.fr (Jean-Eric Godard)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 08:44:30 +0200
Subject: [Ros-talk] Hello
Message-ID: <6D7B9DAE-411F-4857-A730-FB855614B31A@free.fr>

Hello,

Just a mail to know if ROS is still alive.
In fact we're just about beginning a Ruby based OS when I notice  
there's already another project.

Is your project close to completion or did you stop it?

Regards.

Jean-Eric Godard

Envoy? de mon iPhone

From horacio.lopez at gmail.com  Mon Aug 10 08:03:10 2009
From: horacio.lopez at gmail.com (vruz)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 09:03:10 -0300
Subject: [Ros-talk] Hello
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I might also add UUU
http://unununium.org/

all-python userland if I remember well


2009/8/10 * William <william.full.moon at gmail.com>
>
> Hey Eric ;-)
>
> Gee well, I'd just say there's residual interest. There a some cool elements of BSD that 'fit' to Ruby.? in the 21-century, there seems to be a following that mico-kernels that resemble *nix / posix are OK.? As I said it, they "do the job".
>
> What's new there?? BSD does nice messaging but Linux and various DRb and alternatives now include that, or better (esp. EventMachine or multcurl).
>
> Does this mean/imply ...
>
> ?? >>? but we may go for a BSD kernel with ruby.
>
> A kernel written in Ruby?? In that event, my gut-reaction is "what changes", or "what is bizzaire" (not 'the bazaar' -- strange).? With all due respect, we (ITC) needed "a Linux" way back-then.? The Jetsons are only 200 years away (or are they?).? What if ART stopped before Dada?
>
> My operating systems experience is build on three models.? One is a flat virtual machine (a micro-kernel) -- One could look at Rubini
>
> Rubini =? http://rubini.us/
> Yarv??? =? http://www.atdot.net/yarv/
> IronRuby (on the .Net CLR)
> Groovey (on the JV/M)
> Ruby-slippers and Oz (can't find a conteporanous URL -- can't spell either)
> other ??
>
> Second is "by design" (or discovery)
>
> VMS
> Alpha
> Multics (progenitor for Unix)
> CTOS / RTOS / RSX (variations -- 'message passing')
> Lilith (progenitor for the Mac OS - Also 'message passing')
> Cambridge ring (input for AmigaDos, NOS, CSIROnet/australia)
> MCP (Algol virtual machine / by Name)
> NT (HAL ... Microsoft)
>
> Third would be a what (today) looks like a "pragrmatic" approach to life -- Things (oft' historical) like: MS-DOS, Windows, OSX, OS/1100, DR-DOS, MVS/VM, RST/E, RSTS, DR-DOS, UNIX, LINUX, SOLARIS, etc, etc, etc (most of them ...) -- Just to get it done, make it work.
>
> I am sorry, when I see someone say "NDA" and using a existing thing like BSD; It only sounds like some kind of commercialisation to me.? I am skeptical.? BSD is OpenSource already.? If you re-code in Ruby; that's what the copyright lawyers call "a rendition".? your guys will need to $PAY <<someone>>.
>
> For the 'world' ... don't mention "NDA" on? a public? list unless you are looking to make a stock float or announcment / or unless you are trying to sound "smart".? Imho, if you are smart; you don't need to sound smart.? If you are manipulating a stock float ... Gee //are you so dumb//.
>
> In the csae that there's some honest dealing going on here ... Call google.? Give them a good project plan.
>
> They seem to like Python, but it can't hurt.
>
> :-)
> Of interest [4 x me] ...
>
> Curl ....................... http://curl.haxx.se/
> Ruby in ECMA(?) .... http://ejohn.org/blog/ruby-vm-in-javascript/
>
> 2009/8/10 Jean-Eric Godard <idclick at free.fr>
>>
>> I'm happy to see there's still a lot of interest in creating an innovative OS.
>> Let me first introduce our project as far as I can present it ,for now most part of it is still under NDA.
>
> ?.......
>>
>> but we may go for a BSD kernel with ruby.
>> The main force of our project lies? in it's user interface, wich has been rethink? from scratch.
>> It is totally different from all the one I have seen so far.
>> it's the kind that can be used by our grand mother and 5 years old kid.
>> The behaviours of our interface leads us to imagine a totaly different OS , and many of the current programming tools didn't fit our project.
>> This is one of the main reason why we go to Ruby.
>>
>> I really like to merge all your projects and our if it is possible and if you are interested.
>> I will talk to the people I work with to see how we can merge our ideas and energy.
>>
>> Hope we'll make great things soon
>>
>> Jean-Eric
>>
>> Le 9 ao?t 09 ? 07:28, * William a ?crit :
>>
>> Hi guys :-)
>>
>> I'm still interested in the conversation.? Earlier this year I was talking with a guy who has ported Python to RTOS as a open access coding tool where the official RTOS libraries come at a hefty price.
>>
>> RTOS is almost a pure message passing operating system -- And believe you me, I tried to encourage the chap to look at Ruby for his development infrastructure.? I imagine the investment in Python is substantial enough for that not to be worth while.
>>
>> For whatever it is worth, my thought on a Ruby O/s would be to implement and extend the ideas that Ruby exemplifies including the message passing because the "message passing" paradigm means the there's no limit to the LEGO block-like configurations that a platform, or cluster of, ROS-enabled devices.
>>
>> Maximum possibilities.? Some other things I'd toss into the mix are using resources by Logical URI (like a call by name, or by service-name so to speak); platform heterogeneity where my 'O/S' is really a collection of stuff on the cloud, in my pocket, my car, anywhere.? Or as my wife quipped once :: "manywhere". ? I had some other wished about semantic data or as a semantic environment.
>>
>> I bring that up after paying attention to Eric Schmidt this year:
>>
>> ??? http://www.mckinseyquarterly.com/Strategy/Innovation/Googles_view_on_the_future_of_business_An_interview_with_CEO_Eric_Schmidt_2229
>>
>> I can't say Ruby actually provides a semantic environment, all OO languages are semantic in the static sense that the OO code is a semantic structure.
>>
>> I am inspired by? a platform I used to work on with a maintain-ed static semantic model customers used to build applications.? That concept can be taken forward into the richer dynamic environment I expect in tomorrow's computationally equipped data-traffic-rich? world.? I'm imagining a beast that is for a knowlege world the PICK operating system for semantics.
>>
>> I'm always ready to talk with people who find that line interesting.? I can think of 3 or 4 really worthwhile operating systems that are not-? *NIX and *NT/HAL that actually worked a lot better in several contexts.? The current two do the same job and have economies of scale in the market place.? And Chrome only promises to be a 'different' *NIX model.
>>
>> My take away from that is that a ruby o/s or ruby inspired o/s ought to give the world something DIFFERENT.? The ambitions ought to be about showing or discovering What-Else is feasible/sensible/fun!
>>
>> I'm letting you two know.? Any one else interested?
>>
>>
>> aloha,
>> ? ? ? ? \_w_/
>> ___________________________________
>> ? ?? http://mbimarketing.wordpress.com
>> ? ?? http://adroit-process.blogspot.com
>>
>>
>>
>> 2009/8/9 vruz <horacio.lopez at gmail.com>
>>>
>>> this list has been dormant for ages,? but I'm still very interested in similar projects.
>>> (I myself started RNU eons ago, but never got enough steam to pull it together)
>>> I think it would be a great idea to get together behind one single project
>>> (ros + rnu +? yours)
>>> please let me know where you're gathering and I'll be glad to join the discussion.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> 2009/8/8 Jean-Eric Godard <idclick at free.fr>
>>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> Just a mail to know if ROS is still alive.
>>>> In fact we're just about beginning a Ruby based OS when I notice there's already another project.
>>>>
>>>> Is your project close to completion or did you stop it?
>>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Ros-talk mailing list
>> Ros-talk at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-talk
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Ros-talk mailing list
>> Ros-talk at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-talk
>
>
>
> --
> aloha,
> ? ? ? ? \_w_/
> ___________________________________
> ? ?? http://mbimarketing.wordpress.com
> ? ?? http://adroit-process.blogspot.com
>
>
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> Ros-talk at rubyforge.org
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--
---- vruz

From idclick at free.fr  Mon Aug 10 09:34:14 2009
From: idclick at free.fr (Jean-Eric Godard)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:34:14 +0200
Subject: [Ros-talk] Hello
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Hi again


First let me tell you that  I have little technological knowledge,  
maybe as week as my English writting is.

In fact I've initiate the project of creating a new a years ago.

I am only a end user tired of current OS behaviours, so I've imagined  
an other way (better in my point of view ) of working with a computer.

I've suceed to convinces some qualified people to follow me in this   
task.

As many ideas behind this OS  are not technicaly baesd but rather a  
totally different way of interacting with machines.

Anyway,that's why when I talk about NDA, I didn't want to offend  
anybodys nor I try to look like a cool person.
The NDA never concern the technical aspect of the OS but only many of  
the idea on how it handle data and interact with end user.
It is so much different from current solution and those ideas are  
really simple rules will be  very easy to implement for a big company.

The technologycal part of project is almost secondary it is just here  
to make this idea a reality.

Fo us the most important part  of the OS is the end users ,and how we  
provide them our tools.

Regards


Jean-Eric


Envoy? de mon iPhone

Le 10 ao?t 2009 ? 11:23, "* William" <william.full.moon at gmail.com> a  
?crit :

> Hey Eric ;-)
>
> Gee well, I'd just say there's residual interest. There a some cool  
> elements of BSD that 'fit' to Ruby.  in the 21-century, there seems  
> to be a following that mico-kernels that resemble *nix / posix are  
> OK.  As I said it, they "do the job".
>
> What's new there?  BSD does nice messaging but Linux and various DRb  
> and alternatives now include that, or better (esp. EventMachine or  
> multcurl).
>
> Does this mean/imply ...
>
>    >>  but we may go for a BSD kernel with ruby.
>
> A kernel written in Ruby?  In that event, my gut-reaction is "what  
> changes", or "what is bizzaire" (not 'the bazaar' -- strange).  With  
> all due respect, we (ITC) needed "a Linux" way back-then.  The  
> Jetsons are only 200 years away (or are they?).  What if ART stopped  
> before Dada?
>
> My operating systems experience is build on three models.  One is a  
> flat virtual machine (a micro-kernel) -- One could look at Rubini
> Rubini =  http://rubini.us/
> Yarv    =  http://www.atdot.net/yarv/
> IronRuby (on the .Net CLR)
> Groovey (on the JV/M)
> Ruby-slippers and Oz (can't find a conteporanous URL -- can't spell  
> either)
> other ??
> Second is "by design" (or discovery)
> VMS
> Alpha
> Multics (progenitor for Unix)
> CTOS / RTOS / RSX (variations -- 'message passing')
> Lilith (progenitor for the Mac OS - Also 'message passing')
> Cambridge ring (input for AmigaDos, NOS, CSIROnet/australia)
> MCP (Algol virtual machine / by Name)
> NT (HAL ... Microsoft)
>
> Third would be a what (today) looks like a "pragrmatic" approach to  
> life -- Things (oft' historical) like: MS-DOS, Windows, OSX, OS/ 
> 1100, DR-DOS, MVS/VM, RST/E, RSTS, DR-DOS, UNIX, LINUX, SOLARIS,  
> etc, etc, etc (most of them ...) -- Just to get it done, make it work.
>
> I am sorry, when I see someone say "NDA" and using a existing thing  
> like BSD; It only sounds like some kind of commercialisation to me.   
> I am skeptical.  BSD is OpenSource already.  If you re-code in Ruby;  
> that's what the copyright lawyers call "a rendition".  your guys  
> will need to $PAY <<someone>>.
>
> For the 'world' ... don't mention "NDA" on  a public  list unless  
> you are looking to make a stock float or announcment / or unless you  
> are trying to sound "smart".  Imho, if you are smart; you don't need  
> to sound smart.  If you are manipulating a stock float ... Gee //are  
> you so dumb//.
>
> In the csae that there's some honest dealing going on here ... Call  
> google.  Give them a good project plan.
>
> They seem to like Python, but it can't hurt.
>
> :-)
> Of interest [4 x me] ...
> Curl ....................... http://curl.haxx.se/
> Ruby in ECMA(?) .... http://ejohn.org/blog/ruby-vm-in-javascript/
>
>
> 2009/8/10 Jean-Eric Godard <idclick at free.fr>
>
> I'm happy to see there's still a lot of interest in creating an  
> innovative OS.
>
> Let me first introduce our project as far as I can present it ,for  
> now most part of it is still under NDA.
>  .......
>
> but we may go for a BSD kernel with ruby.
>
> The main force of our project lies  in it's user interface, wich has  
> been rethink  from scratch.
> It is totally different from all the one I have seen so far.
> it's the kind that can be used by our grand mother and 5 years old  
> kid.
> The behaviours of our interface leads us to imagine a totaly  
> different OS , and many of the current programming tools didn't fit  
> our project.
> This is one of the main reason why we go to Ruby.
>
>
> I really like to merge all your projects and our if it is possible  
> and if you are interested.
>
> I will talk to the people I work with to see how we can merge our  
> ideas and energy.
>
>
> Hope we'll make great things soon
>
>
> Jean-Eric
>
>
> Le 9 ao?t 09 ? 07:28, * William a ?crit :
>
>> Hi guys :-)
>>
>> I'm still interested in the conversation.  Earlier this year I was  
>> talking with a guy who has ported Python to RTOS as a open access  
>> coding tool where the official RTOS libraries come at a hefty price.
>>
>> RTOS is almost a pure message passing operating system -- And  
>> believe you me, I tried to encourage the chap to look at Ruby for  
>> his development infrastructure.  I imagine the investment in Python  
>> is substantial enough for that not to be worth while.
>>
>> For whatever it is worth, my thought on a Ruby O/s would be to  
>> implement and extend the ideas that Ruby exemplifies including the  
>> message passing because the "message passing" paradigm means the  
>> there's no limit to the LEGO block-like configurations that a  
>> platform, or cluster of, ROS-enabled devices.
>>
>> Maximum possibilities.  Some other things I'd toss into the mix are  
>> using resources by Logical URI (like a call by name, or by service- 
>> name so to speak); platform heterogeneity where my 'O/S' is really  
>> a collection of stuff on the cloud, in my pocket, my car,  
>> anywhere.  Or as my wife quipped once :: "manywhere".   I had some  
>> other wished about semantic data or as a semantic environment.
>>
>> I bring that up after paying attention to Eric Schmidt this year:
>>
>>     http://www.mckinseyquarterly.com/Strategy/Innovation/Googles_view_on_the_future_of_business_An_interview_with_CEO_Eric_Schmidt_2229
>>
>> I can't say Ruby actually provides a semantic environment, all OO  
>> languages are semantic in the static sense that the OO code is a  
>> semantic structure.
>>
>> I am inspired by  a platform I used to work on with a maintain-ed  
>> static semantic model customers used to build applications.  That  
>> concept can be taken forward into the richer dynamic environment I  
>> expect in tomorrow's computationally equipped data-traffic-rich   
>> world.  I'm imagining a beast that is for a knowlege world the PICK  
>> operating system for semantics.
>>
>> I'm always ready to talk with people who find that line  
>> interesting.  I can think of 3 or 4 really worthwhile operating  
>> systems that are not-  *NIX and *NT/HAL that actually worked a lot  
>> better in several contexts.  The current two do the same job and  
>> have economies of scale in the market place.  And Chrome only  
>> promises to be a 'different' *NIX model.
>>
>> My take away from that is that a ruby o/s or ruby inspired o/s  
>> ought to give the world something DIFFERENT.  The ambitions ought  
>> to be about showing or discovering What-Else is feasible/sensible/ 
>> fun!
>>
>> I'm letting you two know.  Any one else interested?
>>
>>
>> aloha,
>>         \_w_/
>> ___________________________________
>>    ? http://mbimarketing.wordpress.com
>>    ? http://adroit-process.blogspot.com
>>
>>
>>
>> 2009/8/9 vruz <horacio.lopez at gmail.com>
>> this list has been dormant for ages,  but I'm still very interested  
>> in similar projects.
>> (I myself started RNU eons ago, but never got enough steam to pull  
>> it together)
>> I think it would be a great idea to get together behind one single  
>> project
>> (ros + rnu +  yours)
>> please let me know where you're gathering and I'll be glad to join  
>> the discussion.
>>
>> 2009/8/8 Jean-Eric Godard <idclick at free.fr>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Just a mail to know if ROS is still alive.
>> In fact we're just about beginning a Ruby based OS when I notice  
>> there's already another project.
>>
>> Is your project close to completion or did you stop it?
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Ros-talk mailing list
>> Ros-talk at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-talk
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ros-talk mailing list
> Ros-talk at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-talk
>
>
>
> -- 
> aloha,
>         \_w_/
> ___________________________________
>    ? http://mbimarketing.wordpress.com
>    ? http://adroit-process.blogspot.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ros-talk mailing list
> Ros-talk at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-talk
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