From thomas at ravinggenius.com  Sun Jan  2 20:38:13 2011
From: thomas at ravinggenius.com (Thomas Ingram)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 20:38:13 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] generate routes with Model#id instead of Model#to_param
Message-ID: <AANLkTin_8x3HreuEmXat7pi2Obub0+zHJLCu0UuX9DiO@mail.gmail.com>

I am trying to customize routes in a Rails 3 application. I have the
following snippet in my config/routes.rb:

namespace :admin do
  resources :nodes, :except => :show
end

Is there a way to specify, within the :admin namespace, that routes
for Node should use Node#id instead of Node#to_param? More details at
https://gist.github.com/762969.

-- 
Thomas Ingram ><>

From adam at thewilliams.ws  Mon Jan  3 15:57:35 2011
From: adam at thewilliams.ws (Adam Williams)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 15:57:35 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] generate routes with Model#id instead of
	Model#to_param
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin_8x3HreuEmXat7pi2Obub0+zHJLCu0UuX9DiO@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTin_8x3HreuEmXat7pi2Obub0+zHJLCu0UuX9DiO@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E83FCF58-CF5D-4B85-92D8-0CF03037917B@thewilliams.ws>

Is there a reason to_param should not be aliased to id on that class?

On Jan 2, 2011, at 8:38 PM, Thomas Ingram wrote:

> I am trying to customize routes in a Rails 3 application. I have the
> following snippet in my config/routes.rb:
> 
> namespace :admin do
>  resources :nodes, :except => :show
> end
> 
> Is there a way to specify, within the :admin namespace, that routes
> for Node should use Node#id instead of Node#to_param? More details at
> https://gist.github.com/762969.
> 
> -- 
> Thomas Ingram ><>
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members


From thomas at ravinggenius.com  Mon Jan  3 18:05:44 2011
From: thomas at ravinggenius.com (Thomas Ingram)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 18:05:44 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] generate routes with Model#id instead of
	Model#to_param
In-Reply-To: <E83FCF58-CF5D-4B85-92D8-0CF03037917B@thewilliams.ws>
References: <AANLkTin_8x3HreuEmXat7pi2Obub0+zHJLCu0UuX9DiO@mail.gmail.com>
	<E83FCF58-CF5D-4B85-92D8-0CF03037917B@thewilliams.ws>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=CZyWixRTWd5x5ASnzSp+jO3-5iE0JppzxFOk1@mail.gmail.com>

I was thinking I had to override to_param to get nice, clean URLs. The
way I did it worked, but didn't allow the path to contain slashes.
After discussing the issue with Paul N, I decided to not override
to_params. Instead I added a method that returns either Node#path or
Node#id. This works as long as I don't use shortcuts when generating
links. I updated the gist to illustrate if you wish to look.

On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 15:57, Adam Williams <adam at thewilliams.ws> wrote:
> Is there a reason to_param should not be aliased to id on that class?

-- 
Thomas Ingram ><>

From dsnider at bracket7.com  Tue Jan  4 12:28:31 2011
From: dsnider at bracket7.com (Daniel Snider)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 12:28:31 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Job/contract opportunity
Message-ID: <01C3992F-2DAC-4D4D-8E43-D53BF16EACA1@bracket7.com>

Hello all,

We have an opportunity on a fairly large project for someone with EMR/EHR experience. In addition to Rails, iOS and perhaps PHP development experience would be great. If any of you or someone you know might be interested, please contact me directly at dsnider [at] bracket7.com.

You can learn more about us here: http://bracket7.com

Thanks everyone!

Dan

Daniel Snider  |  Bracket7, LLC  |  919-461-4996 ext. 3  |  www.bracket7.com


From lynn at executechllc.com  Tue Jan  4 17:38:51 2011
From: lynn at executechllc.com (Lynn Goins)
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 17:38:51 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Developer Opening in the Triangle
Message-ID: <4D23A17B.1080304@executechllc.com>


I wanted to share a new local opening in case there might be someone 
that is looking or at least open to entertaining a new position.  The 
position is a permanent position and it is requesting Ruby on Rails 
experience.  Below is a little more information in regards to the 
requirements.  If you would like to discuss this further and receive 
more information, feel free to call me or send me an email.

Developer

Job Requirements
. 2+ years of software development experience
. Ruby on Rails (not required but a huge plus).
. Experience with object-oriented development: Java, C++, or C#
. Experience with web-technologies: JSP/ASP, Javascript
. Proficiency with SQL
. Strong Problem-solving skills


-- 
Lynn Goins/ Staffing Executive
Direct: 919-556-6977 / Fax: 509-695-6198
Email:lynn at executechllc.com
Linkedin Profile:http://www.linkedin.com/in/lynngoins
Philippians 4:6-7 and 4:13

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From blakewatters at gmail.com  Thu Jan  6 11:07:43 2011
From: blakewatters at gmail.com (Blake Watters)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 11:07:43 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Event: Developing RESTful iOS Apps with RestKit
Message-ID: <AANLkTikMhJ97bH0CPgxSO+XjnpoYe_nctXTQn8Qiebzp@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all -

I wanted to reach out and let you know about about an event that Two
Toasters has organized in partnership with Carrboro Creative Coworking.
We're hosting an in-depth four hour workshop to teach local iOS developers
how to rapidly develop web service backed iPhone & iPad applications via
RestKit, an Apache licensed framework developed at Two Toasters. This event
is a fundraiser to benefit the Leukemia and Lymphoma Society.

Content will be technical and immediately applicable to the development of
production iOS apps.

When: Saturday January 22, 2011. 1-5pm
Where: Carrboro Creative Coworking
Details & ticket info: http://restkit.eventbrite.com/

Early bird tickets are currently on sale at a deep discount -- grab them
quick!

Happy New Year!
- Blake
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From dave at razorkast.com  Thu Jan  6 16:27:33 2011
From: dave at razorkast.com (Dave Haney)
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 16:27:33 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Need RoR help in Raleigh
Message-ID: <4D2633C5.9060902@razorkast.com>

I am the CEO of a bootstrapped start-up in Raleigh that is looking for a 
senior RubyonRails developer to do some off-hours remote work for our 
core software application.  The work can be done from your house when it 
is convenient for you.  The company already has revenue and a very 
bright future.  This software application IS the company and is mission 
critical.

The application was developed by an excellent RoR architect that is 
actually part of this group, but he is moving and getting a little too 
busy with his full-time job to be able to continue to help to the extent 
needed.

I would probably need 5-10 hours per week of work.

I need someone that can work autonomously and is adept at basic UI 
design as well as database engineering.

The core technologies used in this project are RubyOnRails, Subversion 
and PivotalTracker.

The application is being hosted on a Linux server at LiNode, so you 
would need to be comfortable in that environment as well.

Please email me if you would have interest in talking further about this 
at dave at razorkast.com.

Thanks!

Dave


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From mshiltonj at gmail.com  Wed Jan 12 16:22:22 2011
From: mshiltonj at gmail.com (Steven Hilton)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 16:22:22 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] XML Builder and utf-8 encoded text
Message-ID: <AANLkTikxqQKUSgRCSp2DHv3sGm2-xP6M30n+rfsaYZ88@mail.gmail.com>

All,

I'm trying to output utf-8 encoded xml with Builder, and my results
don't seem to match the Builder docs.

I'm using ruby 1.8.6 (don't ask) and Builder 2.1.2, although this
behavior is still seen on ruby 1.8.7.

The docs say I should be able to have utf-8 encoded text:

http://builder.rubyforge.org/files/README_rdoc.html
"You can get UTF-8 encoded output by making sure that the XML encoding
is set to "UTF-8" and that the $KCODE variable is set to "UTF8". "
See the utf-8 examples near the bottom of that page.

However, my xml seems to stay entity-encoded...

require 'rubygems'
require 'builder'

$KCODE='UTF8'
xml = Builder::XmlMarkup.new
xml.instruct!(:xml, :encoding => 'UTF-8');
xml.sample('???')
puts xml.target! #=> <?xml version="1.0"
encoding="UTF-8"?><sample>&#35768;&#21487;&#35777;</sample>

Am I doing something wrong? Is there a better way to generate utf-8 encoded xml?

Thanks.

- Steven

From jim at jimvanfleet.com  Wed Jan 12 16:54:19 2011
From: jim at jimvanfleet.com (Jim Van Fleet)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 16:54:19 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] XML Builder and utf-8 encoded text
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikxqQKUSgRCSp2DHv3sGm2-xP6M30n+rfsaYZ88@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikxqQKUSgRCSp2DHv3sGm2-xP6M30n+rfsaYZ88@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=FuFQF6nBofNeJQT+4T7gKAQ897oYhprYMGtyo@mail.gmail.com>

See if this thread helps.

https://rails.lighthouseapp.com/projects/8994/tickets/1446-fix-utf-8-output-for-builder

Jim

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Steven Hilton <mshiltonj at gmail.com> wrote:

> All,
>
> I'm trying to output utf-8 encoded xml with Builder, and my results
> don't seem to match the Builder docs.
>
> I'm using ruby 1.8.6 (don't ask) and Builder 2.1.2, although this
> behavior is still seen on ruby 1.8.7.
>
> The docs say I should be able to have utf-8 encoded text:
>
> http://builder.rubyforge.org/files/README_rdoc.html
> "You can get UTF-8 encoded output by making sure that the XML encoding
> is set to "UTF-8" and that the $KCODE variable is set to "UTF8". "
> See the utf-8 examples near the bottom of that page.
>
> However, my xml seems to stay entity-encoded...
>
> require 'rubygems'
> require 'builder'
>
> $KCODE='UTF8'
> xml = Builder::XmlMarkup.new
> xml.instruct!(:xml, :encoding => 'UTF-8');
> xml.sample('???')
> puts xml.target! #=> <?xml version="1.0"
> encoding="UTF-8"?><sample>&#35768;&#21487;&#35777;</sample>
>
> Am I doing something wrong? Is there a better way to generate utf-8 encoded
> xml?
>
> Thanks.
>
> - Steven
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
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From mshiltonj at gmail.com  Wed Jan 12 17:33:56 2011
From: mshiltonj at gmail.com (Steven Hilton)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 17:33:56 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] XML Builder and utf-8 encoded text
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=FuFQF6nBofNeJQT+4T7gKAQ897oYhprYMGtyo@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikxqQKUSgRCSp2DHv3sGm2-xP6M30n+rfsaYZ88@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=FuFQF6nBofNeJQT+4T7gKAQ897oYhprYMGtyo@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikpFZE76LW=s=V8=ZAnjFLsL_V+ejqiv2ZrEBri@mail.gmail.com>

Ah, thank you. I did find one other useful link on the subject:

http://iceskysl.1sters.com/?p=451

Which offers monkey patch for the version of Builder were on.

Lesson: Stay up to date on your module usage or you end up spinning
your wheels on bugs that have already been found and fixed.

/me kicks a rock.

Thanks.

- Steven

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Jim Van Fleet <jim at jimvanfleet.com> wrote:
> See if this thread helps.
> https://rails.lighthouseapp.com/projects/8994/tickets/1446-fix-utf-8-output-for-builder
> Jim
>
> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Steven Hilton <mshiltonj at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> All,
>>
>> I'm trying to output utf-8 encoded xml with Builder, and my results
>> don't seem to match the Builder docs.
>>
>> I'm using ruby 1.8.6 (don't ask) and Builder 2.1.2, although this
>> behavior is still seen on ruby 1.8.7.
>>
>> The docs say I should be able to have utf-8 encoded text:
>>
>> http://builder.rubyforge.org/files/README_rdoc.html
>> "You can get UTF-8 encoded output by making sure that the XML encoding
>> is set to "UTF-8" and that the $KCODE variable is set to "UTF8". "
>> See the utf-8 examples near the bottom of that page.
>>
>> However, my xml seems to stay entity-encoded...
>>
>> require 'rubygems'
>> require 'builder'
>>
>> $KCODE='UTF8'
>> xml = Builder::XmlMarkup.new
>> xml.instruct!(:xml, :encoding => 'UTF-8');
>> xml.sample('???')
>> puts xml.target! #=> <?xml version="1.0"
>> encoding="UTF-8"?><sample>&#35768;&#21487;&#35777;</sample>
>>
>> Am I doing something wrong? Is there a better way to generate utf-8
>> encoded xml?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> - Steven
>> _______________________________________________
>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>

From aok at chariotsolutions.com  Fri Jan 14 07:07:20 2011
From: aok at chariotsolutions.com (Andrea O. K. Wright)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 07:07:20 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Philly Event: Jim Weirich, Yehuda Katz, David A. Black,
 Ola Bini, many others
Message-ID: <AANLkTim9ndY0eVCUwO0ps7AJshz__n7kn99i6ni2rqWv@mail.gmail.com>

Registration is open for the 6th Annual Philly Emerging Tech
Conference (a.k.a. Emerging Technologies for the Enterprise), which is
set for April 27 - April 28 at the Society Hill Sheraton in
Philadelphia.

The Early Bird rate, available through February 15, is $295 per person.

If you can take advantage of the group discount (4 colleagues or
friends, not necessarily from the same company, registering at the
same time), the Early Bird price goes down to $221 per person.

The conference sold out last year.

To register: http://phillyemergingtech.com/2011/register

Rubyists on the roster for this 2-day, 5-track event include:

* David A. Black (author of Ruby for Rails and the Well-Grounded Rubyist)

* Ola Bini (JRuby Core team; author of Practical JRuby on Rails Web
2.0 Projects)

* David Chelimsky (RSpec lead developer)

* Davis Frank (Jasmine BDD/JavaScript project committer)

* Yehuda Katz (SproutCore project team; Rails Core team)

* Nick Sieger (JRuby Core team)

* Bruce Tate (author of Seven Languages in Seven Weeks)

* Jim Weirich (creator of the rake tool)

Talks about a wide array of technologies complement the
Ruby-relatedcontent. The event features Ryan Dahl (creator of
node.js); David Kaneda (creator of jQtouch); Ron Jeffries (co-author
of The Agile Manifesto); Chris Richardson (Head of Cloud Development;
SpringSource); Johanna Rothman (author of Manage It! Your Guide to
Modern, Pragmatic Project Management); Kevin Smith (author of the
Pragmatic Erlang screencasts); Jonathan Stark (author of Building
iPhone Apps with HTML, CSS, and JavaScript); and many others.

The keynote speakers are Molly Holzschlag (web standard evangelist)
and Stormy Peters (head of developer engagement at Mozilla).

The list of confirmed speakers to date is here:
http://phillyemergingtech.com/2011/speakers

More speakers and session abstracts will be added over the next few weeks.

From javery at infozerk.com  Mon Jan 17 12:19:55 2011
From: javery at infozerk.com (James Avery)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 12:19:55 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Startup Opportunity
Message-ID: <AANLkTin3pV94Tv63YZ=EYK4f=W3OAprGgV9EP-j=H4fh@mail.gmail.com>

Over the last couple of month I have gotten to know Bob Etheridge who
is the founder of the site JobKatch.com. Bob is very involved in the
startup community in Raleigh/Durham and is looking for a Technical
Partner/Co-founder to help him finish launching the site (it is
currently in beta with over 500 users). The site is written in rails
and most of the work was done by a respectable ruby consulting shop in
Florida (no not that one, the other one).

Here is a little more about the site/startup from Bob:

JobKatch is a Social CRM or Management tool designed to help job
seekers stay organized and focused in their job search.  JobKatch was
built on the similarities of the job search process and the sales
process. The system allows users to easily capture interesting job
leads from the web and save them in the JobKatch Organizer. JobKatch
also taps into a users connections from leading Social Networking
sites like Linkedin and Facebook and business contact databases such
as Jigsaw.com and Zoominfo to help identify relevant networking
contacts that can help them in their job search.  JobKatch helps  job
seekers avoid the resume black hole and connect directly with decision
makers.

There is a huge opportunity here. With unemployment at record highs
and the social web changing the job search process, the market is
itching for a product like JobKatch.  We also have the opportunity to
market JobKatch to millions of job seekers though my first start-up;
JobCircle.com. Additionally, there is the opportunity to market the
service to College Career Centers, Outplacement companies and career
coaches to help manage the activities of their clients. The site
recently launched in beta and the feedback has been very good. If
you?re interested, please contact me at: bob at jobkatch.com.

Thanks,
-- 
James Avery
Adzerk - http://adzerk.com
TekPub - http://tekpub.com

From seancribbs at gmail.com  Mon Jan 17 12:57:43 2011
From: seancribbs at gmail.com (Sean Cribbs)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 12:57:43 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Catching a ride
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=Uk923gXedTt8L_y57t=ovRygmxT6=gNP5-F9a@mail.gmail.com>

If anyone is heading from CH/Durham area to the meetup tomorrow, I'd
love to get a ride to/from the meeting.

Thanks,

Sean Cribbs

From rick.denatale at gmail.com  Mon Jan 17 15:02:19 2011
From: rick.denatale at gmail.com (Rick DeNatale)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 15:02:19 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Catching a ride
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=Uk923gXedTt8L_y57t=ovRygmxT6=gNP5-F9a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=Uk923gXedTt8L_y57t=ovRygmxT6=gNP5-F9a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimGh73TTL5h7iGkjHzedWi7pZDyKZZFUC6VNq57@mail.gmail.com>

I could give you a ride to the meeting from Durham (I'm work between
Beyu and Guajilo's on main street), but I won't be coming back until
the next morning.


On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Sean Cribbs <seancribbs at gmail.com> wrote:
> If anyone is heading from CH/Durham area to the meetup tomorrow, I'd
> love to get a ride to/from the meeting.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sean Cribbs
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>



-- 
Rick DeNatale

Blog: http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/
Github: http://github.com/rubyredrick
Twitter: @RickDeNatale
WWR: http://www.workingwithrails.com/person/9021-rick-denatale
LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rickdenatale

From nathaniel at talbott.ws  Mon Jan 17 15:32:38 2011
From: nathaniel at talbott.ws (Nathaniel Talbott)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 15:32:38 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Pre-meeting Chow
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=kaVG-omXF2Uu4np=9__HN3aK41rPHR5eET2rd@mail.gmail.com>

Since the meeting tomorrow is at iContact, chow will be had at Randy's Pizza:

 http://bit.ly/gafHf7
 http://www.randyspizzartp.com/

I'll be there by 5:30, and everyone is invited to join me to chat a
bit and unwind before heading over to iContact for the meeting proper.

See you there!


-- 
Nathaniel Talbott
<:((><

From jimmy at jimmythrasher.com  Mon Jan 17 16:13:45 2011
From: jimmy at jimmythrasher.com (Jimmy Thrasher)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 16:13:45 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Catching a ride
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimGh73TTL5h7iGkjHzedWi7pZDyKZZFUC6VNq57@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=Uk923gXedTt8L_y57t=ovRygmxT6=gNP5-F9a@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimGh73TTL5h7iGkjHzedWi7pZDyKZZFUC6VNq57@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikh9BoyNhtEpOONbX-vVEqmNiOmmjJz8L_L1uJh@mail.gmail.com>

I'll be heading back west to Elfland, so I can take you back.

Jimmy

On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Rick DeNatale <rick.denatale at gmail.com>wrote:

> I could give you a ride to the meeting from Durham (I'm work between
> Beyu and Guajilo's on main street), but I won't be coming back until
> the next morning.
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Sean Cribbs <seancribbs at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > If anyone is heading from CH/Durham area to the meetup tomorrow, I'd
> > love to get a ride to/from the meeting.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Sean Cribbs
> > _______________________________________________
> > raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Rick DeNatale
>
> Blog: http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/
> Github: http://github.com/rubyredrick
> Twitter: @RickDeNatale
> WWR: http://www.workingwithrails.com/person/9021-rick-denatale
> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rickdenatale
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>



-- 
+1-919-627-7546
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From seancribbs at gmail.com  Mon Jan 17 17:05:48 2011
From: seancribbs at gmail.com (Sean Cribbs)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 17:05:48 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Catching a ride
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikh9BoyNhtEpOONbX-vVEqmNiOmmjJz8L_L1uJh@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=Uk923gXedTt8L_y57t=ovRygmxT6=gNP5-F9a@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimGh73TTL5h7iGkjHzedWi7pZDyKZZFUC6VNq57@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikh9BoyNhtEpOONbX-vVEqmNiOmmjJz8L_L1uJh@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikQVOtVY+vFmZEuJedgd0JMaoCkThcRDGt4unF8@mail.gmail.com>

Awesome, thanks guys.  Rick, I'll send you my address privately.

On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Jimmy Thrasher <jimmy at jimmythrasher.com> wrote:
> I'll be heading back west to Elfland, so I can take you back.
> Jimmy
>
> On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Rick DeNatale <rick.denatale at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> I could give you a ride to the meeting from Durham (I'm work between
>> Beyu and Guajilo's on main street), but I won't be coming back until
>> the next morning.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Sean Cribbs <seancribbs at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > If anyone is heading from CH/Durham area to the meetup tomorrow, I'd
>> > love to get a ride to/from the meeting.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Sean Cribbs
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>> > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Rick DeNatale
>>
>> Blog: http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/
>> Github: http://github.com/rubyredrick
>> Twitter: @RickDeNatale
>> WWR: http://www.workingwithrails.com/person/9021-rick-denatale
>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rickdenatale
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>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
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>
>
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From sam.bayer at b2b2dot0.com  Tue Jan 18 14:40:00 2011
From: sam.bayer at b2b2dot0.com (Sam Bayer)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 14:40:00 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Career opportunity at b2b2dot0
Message-ID: <AANLkTik4GjDFzQ02FazJJW=V0GRdESCC2ZGQTUd4W4n4@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Ruby lover,

It's not just a job or a contract, it could be the perfect career
opportunity for the right person.

b2b2dot0 is now entering our fourth year of business and are forecasting the
need for at least one well rounded, multi-skilled, Agile individual to join
our team within the coming months.

We are a SaaS provider of B2B ecommerce services to SAP based Manufacturers
and are headquartered here in Raleigh, NC with our European HQ in Zurich,
Switzerland.

Because of last year's growth within our existing client base, and our
starting 2011 with a very strong pipeline of potential new clients, I think
we're going to need someone with the following skills/experiences before the
beginning of April.

Technical skills including:

   - Rails
   - MySQL
   - nginx
   - Javascript
   - Ajax
   - Prototype / JQuery

 Agile Project Management Experience, with the ability to:

   - lead projects
   - work on all phases of a project lifecycle cycle (Design, Code, Test,
   Implement)
   - work with customer's directly

 Other Bonus items

   - Knows some PHP
   - Knows Magento
   - Has exerience with e-commerce
   - Has experience with web service integration

 Double Bonus Points

   - Knows what SAP is


As you can tell from the skills required, and since we're a small virtual
team, you will enjoy the opportunity to wear many hats.  However, we'd like
for your primary responsibility to be helping our clients implement and
enhance our service to meet their business needs.

We're in no rush to hire, and when we do, because of our recurring revenue
model and focus on preserving the culture of our sustainable lifestyle
company, we'll be ready for a lasting commitment.  I'm hoping you will be
too.

I look forward to speaking with you about our company and this position.

Regards,

Sam


Sam Bayer
CEO
www.b2b2dot0.com
919.676.7429



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From eric at cranehouse.net  Wed Jan 19 10:03:35 2011
From: eric at cranehouse.net (Eric Crane)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 10:03:35 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Short Term Consulting Gig
Message-ID: <21541BA7-39C2-414A-AECC-CC7F3B89C717@cranehouse.net>

I'm looking for someone to do a short term (2-3 week) consulting engagement with the possibility of additional projects in the future.

Initial work includes reviewing a rails project, making suggestions for improvement, doing some coding, setting up production servers and optimizing for performance.

Initial plan is to have this work done during February but that is flexible.  Please let me know if this is something you are interested in.  Thank you.

--
Eric Crane
www.cranehouse.net
eric at cranehouse.net




From jeff at jumpstartlab.com  Wed Jan 19 17:19:51 2011
From: jeff at jumpstartlab.com (Jeff Casimir)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 17:19:51 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Ruby and Rails Training in Raleigh Area during March
Message-ID: <AANLkTikwRiZXfawe_4BT03jk4dV9T5=k5RYMoodvqu8A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Nathaniel and I were talking about the Raleigh Ruby scene at RubyConf
and he suggested I come down to teach some classes.  I've finally set
things up and hope you'll come join us.  There are three separate
classes:

--- (Free) Ruby Primer ---
A first introduction to programming with Ruby, ideal for people with
NO programming background.
6-9pm on 3/2
20 Seats available at http://jumpstartlab.com/trainings/13-ruby-raleigh

--- Introduction to Programming with Ruby ---
An introduction to Ruby with no programming background required.
We'll build two sample applications practicing basic data
manipulation, utilizing external libraries, and accessing a web API.
9AM to 4PM on Sat 3/26 & Sun 3/27
12 Seats @ $375 (early bird) available at
http://jumpstartlab.com/trainings/14-ruby-raleigh

--- Introduction to Ruby on Rails ---
Introduction to Rails for people with some programming background.
We'll build a sample application modeling the REST pattern and explore
the fundamentals of the Rails framework.
9AM to 4PM on Mon 3/28 & Tue 3/29
8 Seats @ $375 (early bird) available at
http://jumpstartlab.com/trainings/15-ruby-raleigh

All courses will be hosted at Carrboro Creative Coworking:
http://www.carrborocoworking.com/

Please let me know if you have any thoughts or questions!

Thanks,
Jeff

---
Jeff Casimir
Jumpstart Lab by Casimir Creative, LLC
http://jumpstartlab.com
@jumpstartlab on twitter

From nathaniel at talbott.ws  Thu Jan 20 19:30:04 2011
From: nathaniel at talbott.ws (Nathaniel Talbott)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 19:30:04 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Ruby and Rails Training in Raleigh Area during
	March
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikwRiZXfawe_4BT03jk4dV9T5=k5RYMoodvqu8A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikwRiZXfawe_4BT03jk4dV9T5=k5RYMoodvqu8A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinK_QC1fCz61CpDr3FRqbSR4v=A-SXe-GG3kDp_@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 5:19 PM, Jeff Casimir <jeff at jumpstartlab.com> wrote:

> Nathaniel and I were talking about the Raleigh Ruby scene at RubyConf
> and he suggested I come down to teach some classes. ?I've finally set
> things up and hope you'll come join us. ?There are three separate
> classes:

Just to plug Jeff some, we've gotten to know each other through the
Ruby community over the past year or two, and I've heard him speak
multiple times. He's an awesome teacher. Like super-freakin-amazingly
awesome. Like "you've never seen Ruby/Rails training like this before"
awesome.

This time around I've encouraged him to focus on beginner-level
courses, so what we all need to do is think of that person we know who
keeps saying they wonder what programming is like (Free Ruby Primer).
Or that other person who knows they want to learn to program but isn't
sure how to get started (Introduction to Programming with Ruby). Or
that smart developer who's always asking what all this Rails hoopla is
about (Introduction to Ruby on Rails). We all know them, and any/all
of them would benefit from the courses Jeff has on offer here.

Also note that all his prices are super reasonable - $375 for a
training course of this calibre is an amazing deal - so there's just
no excuse for your friends (or even yourself if you're just getting
rolling with Ruby/Rails) to come on out.

For those of you in other local development communities, definitely
make sure to let them know about this, especially the intro to Rails
course. And if you're at a local business that's doing Rails, this is
a great opportunity to get your boss to send a coworker or two for
indoctrination.

Finally, I'll just note that if we can help Jeff sell out this time
around, I'm sure he'll be coming back to the area for future training.
I for one would love to go through his Advanced Git course...


-- 
Nathaniel Talbott
<:((><

From jeff at jumpstartlab.com  Fri Jan 21 06:45:57 2011
From: jeff at jumpstartlab.com (Jeff Casimir)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 06:45:57 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Ruby and Rails Training in Raleigh Area during
	March
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinK_QC1fCz61CpDr3FRqbSR4v=A-SXe-GG3kDp_@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikwRiZXfawe_4BT03jk4dV9T5=k5RYMoodvqu8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinK_QC1fCz61CpDr3FRqbSR4v=A-SXe-GG3kDp_@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikw1ZDpi0D9CyEPUeaYy0m6AiFLAffbovm=iMKE@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the recommendation, Nathaniel!

Thinking more about the classes this morning, I want to emphasize what
Nathaniel said about price.  I try to keep my prices really low -- I
don't want cost to be the reason people can't attend.  If you'd love
to be there, I want to find a way to make it work.

Especially if you're a current student/recent grad, currently
serving/veteran, or currently out of work please let me know.  If
space is available I want you there.

Thanks,
Jeff

On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 7:30 PM, Nathaniel Talbott <nathaniel at talbott.ws> wrote:
>
> Just to plug Jeff some, we've gotten to know each other through the
> Ruby community over the past year or two, and I've heard him speak
> multiple times. He's an awesome teacher. Like super-freakin-amazingly
> awesome. Like "you've never seen Ruby/Rails training like this before"
> awesome.
>
> Primer: http://jumpstartlab.com/trainings/13-ruby-raleigh
>
> Intro Ruby: http://jumpstartlab.com/trainings/14-ruby-raleigh
>
> Intro Rails: http://jumpstartlab.com/trainings/15-ruby-raleigh

From jared.haworth at gmail.com  Sat Jan 22 17:58:37 2011
From: jared.haworth at gmail.com (Jared Haworth)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 17:58:37 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Independent Contractor and Equity
Message-ID: <E472B48B-860B-49A7-9E1E-B4FA8986A25D@gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

Just a quick question for those of you out there who work as independent contractors:  do any of you have experience in accepting a combination of money & equity for doing development work, in the IC context?  Is this something that's done often (or at all)?  Are there guidelines for it?

Regards,
Jared Haworth

From jimmy at jimmythrasher.com  Sat Jan 22 21:25:29 2011
From: jimmy at jimmythrasher.com (Jimmy Thrasher)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 21:25:29 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Independent Contractor and Equity
In-Reply-To: <E472B48B-860B-49A7-9E1E-B4FA8986A25D@gmail.com>
References: <E472B48B-860B-49A7-9E1E-B4FA8986A25D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimc1+sgLLRVXfUCBFpPrAVHhNxUx8pH==Ndr=8r@mail.gmail.com>

To add a single data point, I haven't had good luck with it.

For one, it's a huge question of trust.. if you don't know the person you
don't know his character, the quality of his ideas, his ability to execute,
etc, and since you'd essentially be investing in the company with your time,
these are important factors.

At a more logistical level, it's hard to measure/predict. Do you get paid
shares by the hour? Do you get paid shares by the milestone? This can be
worked out, though. The bigger issue is the one I stated above.

Jimmy

On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Jared Haworth <jared.haworth at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Just a quick question for those of you out there who work as independent
> contractors:  do any of you have experience in accepting a combination of
> money & equity for doing development work, in the IC context?  Is this
> something that's done often (or at all)?  Are there guidelines for it?
>
> Regards,
> Jared Haworth
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>



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From ken.auer at rolemodelsoftware.com  Sat Jan 22 23:27:42 2011
From: ken.auer at rolemodelsoftware.com (Ken Auer)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 23:27:42 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Independent Contractor and Equity
In-Reply-To: <E472B48B-860B-49A7-9E1E-B4FA8986A25D@gmail.com>
References: <E472B48B-860B-49A7-9E1E-B4FA8986A25D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=KQEXtQnapaTgDaaJo49y15aBtFiuuMnmw-TpL@mail.gmail.com>

My general experience is that ideas are cheap, execution is hard.  I've made
it a general policy (after not making it a general policy) to get paid for
something that gets the idea to a minimum viable product and some real
customers.  Once I see some customer feedback and see how the owner/company
will respond, I have a better idea of whether this is something worth
investing in.

I really focus my business now on getting people to a minimum viable product
as inexpensively as possible so we can both figure out whether its worth
investing in further.

YMMV

On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Jared Haworth <jared.haworth at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Just a quick question for those of you out there who work as independent
> contractors:  do any of you have experience in accepting a combination of
> money & equity for doing development work, in the IC context?  Is this
> something that's done often (or at all)?  Are there guidelines for it?
>
> Regards,
> Jared Haworth
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>



-- 
Ken Auer
The Extreme Programming Software Studio?
RoleModel Software              919-557-6352 (v)
6720 RoleModel Way            919-342-5016 (f)
Holly Springs, NC 27540       919-622-8315 (m)

    "Christianity is not a plug-in, it's an operating system" (see Mark
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From fmedlin at gmail.com  Sun Jan 23 08:33:24 2011
From: fmedlin at gmail.com (Fred Medlin)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 08:33:24 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Independent Contractor and Equity
In-Reply-To: <E472B48B-860B-49A7-9E1E-B4FA8986A25D@gmail.com>
References: <E472B48B-860B-49A7-9E1E-B4FA8986A25D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikqmeqcC_SkcYiP00_5Qb2be5GVmZm++mivs3Nf@mail.gmail.com>

Jared,

Unless you are one of the founders, my advice is to take the cash. You never
see lawyers, accountants, etc. taking equity in return for their services to
a startup. There must be a reason for that.

Even if you do take equity, you'll probably have private shares that are
difficult to sell or otherwise convert until the company is sold or goes
public. IOW, not liquid and not really your timeline. Each round of funding
that the company will probably reduce the value of your shares. Somehow, the
investors' shares always seem to get less diluted.

I fondly remember one of my equity deals when there was a 1000 to 1 reverse
split in the share price after the company took another round of funding.
Good times.

HTH,
Fred

On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Jared Haworth <jared.haworth at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Just a quick question for those of you out there who work as independent
> contractors:  do any of you have experience in accepting a combination of
> money & equity for doing development work, in the IC context?  Is this
> something that's done often (or at all)?  Are there guidelines for it?
>
> Regards,
> Jared Haworth
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>
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From rick.denatale at gmail.com  Sun Jan 23 09:46:37 2011
From: rick.denatale at gmail.com (Rick DeNatale)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 09:46:37 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Independent Contractor and Equity
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikqmeqcC_SkcYiP00_5Qb2be5GVmZm++mivs3Nf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E472B48B-860B-49A7-9E1E-B4FA8986A25D@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikqmeqcC_SkcYiP00_5Qb2be5GVmZm++mivs3Nf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik-bTQzKVCxFKyFuLgKa_w0fbfy264p=6-sVnym@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Fred Medlin <fmedlin at gmail.com> wrote:
> Jared,
> Unless you are one of the founders, my advice is to take the cash. You never
> see lawyers, accountants, etc. taking equity in return for their services to
> a startup. There must be a reason for that.
> Even if you do take equity, you'll probably have private shares that are
> difficult to sell or otherwise convert until the company is sold or goes
> public. IOW, not liquid and not really your timeline. Each round of funding
> that the company will probably reduce the value of your shares. Somehow, the
> investors' shares always seem to get less diluted.
> I fondly remember one of my equity deals when there was a 1000 to 1 reverse
> split in the share price after the company took another round of funding.

I've got to agree. I've been approached several time about working for
'equity' by some young entrepreneur offering to get me it on the
ground floor of the next facebook/google/Apple in exchange for working
for cheap or often free.

The problem of course is that becoming the next X is rare, so the
offer is really more like, "If you buy me a bunch of lottery tickets,
I'll cut you in when one of them wins the Powerball!"


-- 
Rick DeNatale

Blog: http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/
Github: http://github.com/rubyredrick
Twitter: @RickDeNatale
WWR: http://www.workingwithrails.com/person/9021-rick-denatale
LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rickdenatale

From steve at iannopollo.com  Sun Jan 23 11:35:55 2011
From: steve at iannopollo.com (Steve Iannopollo)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 11:35:55 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Independent Contractor and Equity
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik-bTQzKVCxFKyFuLgKa_w0fbfy264p=6-sVnym@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E472B48B-860B-49A7-9E1E-B4FA8986A25D@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikqmeqcC_SkcYiP00_5Qb2be5GVmZm++mivs3Nf@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTik-bTQzKVCxFKyFuLgKa_w0fbfy264p=6-sVnym@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46210BBA-3B26-40B3-BCBF-63CE504D64A4@iannopollo.com>

> the offer is really more like, "If you buy me a bunch of lottery tickets,
> I'll cut you in when one of them wins the Powerball!"

Ha! I've always equated "working for equity" as "working for free", because of the gambling nature. It is fun, though, seeing job postings online where people make it sound so great to work without being paid.

-Steve

From z at zworkbench.com  Sun Jan 23 18:23:20 2011
From: z at zworkbench.com (Christopher Garrett)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 18:23:20 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Independent Contractor and Equity
In-Reply-To: <46210BBA-3B26-40B3-BCBF-63CE504D64A4@iannopollo.com>
References: <E472B48B-860B-49A7-9E1E-B4FA8986A25D@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikqmeqcC_SkcYiP00_5Qb2be5GVmZm++mivs3Nf@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTik-bTQzKVCxFKyFuLgKa_w0fbfy264p=6-sVnym@mail.gmail.com>
	<46210BBA-3B26-40B3-BCBF-63CE504D64A4@iannopollo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin1qo0QZRNOwn4-do4X+VgZyCEvfWBHik8yymjG@mail.gmail.com>

I have done it a few times with zero success.  This was when I was first
getting started doing contract work and didn't have a portfolio.  I thought
that it couldn't hurt, just to get some additional projects as examples of
my work.  Even that didn't work out for me because the projects never even
got to the point where I would _want_ to show them as examples of my work.
 So I wouldn't recommend this for anyone.  You should invest the same time
to get better at selling and marketing your services.  And the client should
get better at pitching the idea to people with lots of cash.

The way I think about this now, is to pretend I were being approached by the
same person to invest my cash in this company.  So, let's say I am normally
making $100 an hour, and they are willing to pay $50/hr+equity for 40 hours
of work.  ($2000 + $2000 "investment in this awesome idea")  If they paid me
the full $100/hr, would I then invest $2000 of that cash in this
person/company/idea?  So far the answer has always been "no thanks, I'll
invest that cash elsewhere."

Regards,
Chris




On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Steve Iannopollo <steve at iannopollo.com>wrote:

> > the offer is really more like, "If you buy me a bunch of lottery tickets,
> > I'll cut you in when one of them wins the Powerball!"
>
> Ha! I've always equated "working for equity" as "working for free", because
> of the gambling nature. It is fun, though, seeing job postings online where
> people make it sound so great to work without being paid.
>
> -Steve
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
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From trent.albright at gmail.com  Sun Jan 23 19:40:49 2011
From: trent.albright at gmail.com (Trent Albright)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 19:40:49 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Independent Contractor and Equity
In-Reply-To: <46210BBA-3B26-40B3-BCBF-63CE504D64A4@iannopollo.com>
References: <E472B48B-860B-49A7-9E1E-B4FA8986A25D@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikqmeqcC_SkcYiP00_5Qb2be5GVmZm++mivs3Nf@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTik-bTQzKVCxFKyFuLgKa_w0fbfy264p=6-sVnym@mail.gmail.com>
	<46210BBA-3B26-40B3-BCBF-63CE504D64A4@iannopollo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinX88fN73ucQkwdL1q4JCAZrLtu84VsQ2bm0Dmf@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.shouldiworkforfree.com/

On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Steve Iannopollo
>
>
> Ha! I've always equated "working for equity" as "working for free", because
> of the gambling nature. It is fun, though, seeing job postings online where
> people make it sound so great to work without being paid.
>
> -Steve
>
>
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From adam at thewilliams.ws  Sun Jan 23 20:28:44 2011
From: adam at thewilliams.ws (Adam Williams)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 20:28:44 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Independent Contractor and Equity
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin1qo0QZRNOwn4-do4X+VgZyCEvfWBHik8yymjG@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E472B48B-860B-49A7-9E1E-B4FA8986A25D@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikqmeqcC_SkcYiP00_5Qb2be5GVmZm++mivs3Nf@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTik-bTQzKVCxFKyFuLgKa_w0fbfy264p=6-sVnym@mail.gmail.com>
	<46210BBA-3B26-40B3-BCBF-63CE504D64A4@iannopollo.com>
	<AANLkTin1qo0QZRNOwn4-do4X+VgZyCEvfWBHik8yymjG@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <-5717877409264835443@unknownmsgid>

This is, now, how I think of it myself. Although time is worth more than
money, we somehow tend to measure some things better when someone asks us to
pull out our wallets!


On Jan 23, 2011, at 7:42 PM, Christopher Garrett <z at zworkbench.com> wrote:


I have done it a few times with zero success.  This was when I was first
getting started doing contract work and didn't have a portfolio.  I thought
that it couldn't hurt, just to get some additional projects as examples of
my work.  Even that didn't work out for me because the projects never even
got to the point where I would _want_ to show them as examples of my work.
 So I wouldn't recommend this for anyone.  You should invest the same time
to get better at selling and marketing your services.  And the client should
get better at pitching the idea to people with lots of cash.

The way I think about this now, is to pretend I were being approached by the
same person to invest my cash in this company.  So, let's say I am normally
making $100 an hour, and they are willing to pay $50/hr+equity for 40 hours
of work.  ($2000 + $2000 "investment in this awesome idea")  If they paid me
the full $100/hr, would I then invest $2000 of that cash in this
person/company/idea?  So far the answer has always been "no thanks, I'll
invest that cash elsewhere."

Regards,
Chris




On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Steve Iannopollo <steve at iannopollo.com>wrote:

> > the offer is really more like, "If you buy me a bunch of lottery tickets,
> > I'll cut you in when one of them wins the Powerball!"
>
> Ha! I've always equated "working for equity" as "working for free", because
> of the gambling nature. It is fun, though, seeing job postings online where
> people make it sound so great to work without being paid.
>
> -Steve
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From blakewatters at gmail.com  Mon Jan 24 10:18:43 2011
From: blakewatters at gmail.com (Blake Watters)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 10:18:43 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Independent Contractor and Equity
In-Reply-To: <E472B48B-860B-49A7-9E1E-B4FA8986A25D@gmail.com>
References: <E472B48B-860B-49A7-9E1E-B4FA8986A25D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikCvhc5=Zixu7jgTz7yMikXYT=rkRFCVY-G3cgj@mail.gmail.com>

A key problem I've seen with most developers in equity arrangements is that
they don't take the time to evaluate the opportunity with an investor hat
on. Often developers view the business side of things as being details that
are uninteresting or outside their domain. If you are looking at taking
equity as compensation, you are very literally becoming an investor in the
venture. You need to grill the entrepreneur the same way a potential
investor would:
- What does your customer look like? How do you know that?
- What is the market size? How do you know?
- Who else is investing in this?
- What is the exit strategy?
- What are some potential pivot points for the business? How do you know
when to make one?
- What is the burn rate? How much run-way do you have to failure/next
fundraising event?
- How are you determining pricing your offering?
- Are there competitors? How are you going to differentiate from them?
- What is the marketing plan? How was it developed? Did you just make this
shit up or derive it analytically?
- How much is the company worth and how are you making that valuation? How
much will it be worth in 5 years?

If the entrepreneur can't respond to a thorough grilling intelligently, they
probably aren't going to make it. There's absolutely no point in investing
time or money in a venture if the person at the helm isn't prepared to
execute effectively. Beware of people who think they are the target customer
and just have to market to themselves, it's pure ego and always wrong. If
you can do some basic research and find competitors they don't know about,
they are probably naive about how original their idea is and how to build
it.

If they seem to know what they are talking about and can intelligently walk
you through why this venture is a good bet, then you can start thinking
about structure. My personal opinion is that if you are writing all the code
in a venture at the ground floor, you are not a developer working for equity
-- you are the technical co-founder and have real skin in the game. You
should want and receive transparency to the finances of the organization,
the marketing plan, customer funnel and all aspects of the business. And you
should be using that access to pour as much insight and value into the
company as possible. Otherwise its not going to succeed. Some guy with an
idea + some guy who can write code will not miraculously execute a start-up.
You are looking at a long term partnership that is going to require a lot
more than just slinging some code. If you don't want to worry about all the
non-technical aspects of building a business, you should just take cash and
be happy being a software developer.

If you do want to move forward, I'd look at using a convertible note
structure. Essentially what you do is make a virtual investment in the
company payable as time at your hourly rate. Say you'll invest $25,000 in
your development time on a tab over the next six months. That 25k note is
payable in 24 months at a low interest rate and optionally convertible into
equity at the next fundraising event at a favorable rate. Say you get six
months in and there are investors infusing 500k into the venture, you could
structure the note such that your 25k investment is convertible into equity
at a 25% discounted rate over what the cash investors are paying. So you
essentially buy into the pool with time at a discount and defer the
valuation to be determined at that fundraising event. Make sure that your
convertible equity is of the same class of stock as cash investors, so you
are on equal footing.  If you don't want to convert into equity, you can
cash out at that fundraising moment and get your 25k paid back, with
interest. And if the company goes under, you are out just like an investor
would be.

- Blake

On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Jared Haworth <jared.haworth at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Just a quick question for those of you out there who work as independent
> contractors:  do any of you have experience in accepting a combination of
> money & equity for doing development work, in the IC context?  Is this
> something that's done often (or at all)?  Are there guidelines for it?
>
> Regards,
> Jared Haworth
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
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From adam at thewilliams.ws  Mon Jan 24 11:17:08 2011
From: adam at thewilliams.ws (Adam Williams)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 11:17:08 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Independent Contractor and Equity
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikCvhc5=Zixu7jgTz7yMikXYT=rkRFCVY-G3cgj@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E472B48B-860B-49A7-9E1E-B4FA8986A25D@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikCvhc5=Zixu7jgTz7yMikXYT=rkRFCVY-G3cgj@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A4A39147-E35B-4C81-8580-7581785FD425@thewilliams.ws>

I wish I had asked this question, and received this response, a few years ago. Thank you, Blake.

On Jan 24, 2011, at 10:18 AM, Blake Watters wrote:

> A key problem I've seen with most developers in equity arrangements is that they don't take the time to evaluate the opportunity with an investor hat on. Often developers view the business side of things as being details that are uninteresting or outside their domain. If you are looking at taking equity as compensation, you are very literally becoming an investor in the venture. You need to grill the entrepreneur the same way a potential investor would:

From info at lojic.com  Mon Jan 24 12:38:01 2011
From: info at lojic.com (Brian Adkins)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 12:38:01 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Independent Contractor and Equity
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikCvhc5=Zixu7jgTz7yMikXYT=rkRFCVY-G3cgj@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E472B48B-860B-49A7-9E1E-B4FA8986A25D@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikCvhc5=Zixu7jgTz7yMikXYT=rkRFCVY-G3cgj@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <600AFC0A-9239-4A9A-84EA-2B7C4E560581@lojic.com>

Jared - I say you take Blake with you to grill the guy :)

--
Brian Adkins
Lojic Technologies, LLC
http://lojic.com/




On Jan 24, 2011, at 10:18 AM, Blake Watters wrote:

> A key problem I've seen with most developers in equity arrangements  
> is that they don't take the time to evaluate the opportunity with an  
> investor hat on. Often developers view the business side of things  
> as being details that are uninteresting or outside their domain. If  
> you are looking at taking equity as compensation, you are very  
> literally becoming an investor in the venture. You need to grill the  
> entrepreneur the same way a potential investor would:
> - What does your customer look like? How do you know that?
> - What is the market size? How do you know?
> - Who else is investing in this?
> - What is the exit strategy?
> - What are some potential pivot points for the business? How do you  
> know when to make one?
> - What is the burn rate? How much run-way do you have to failure/ 
> next fundraising event?
> - How are you determining pricing your offering?
> - Are there competitors? How are you going to differentiate from them?
> - What is the marketing plan? How was it developed? Did you just  
> make this shit up or derive it analytically?
> - How much is the company worth and how are you making that  
> valuation? How much will it be worth in 5 years?
>
> If the entrepreneur can't respond to a thorough grilling  
> intelligently, they probably aren't going to make it. There's  
> absolutely no point in investing time or money in a venture if the  
> person at the helm isn't prepared to execute effectively. Beware of  
> people who think they are the target customer and just have to  
> market to themselves, it's pure ego and always wrong. If you can do  
> some basic research and find competitors they don't know about, they  
> are probably naive about how original their idea is and how to build  
> it.
>
> If they seem to know what they are talking about and can  
> intelligently walk you through why this venture is a good bet, then  
> you can start thinking about structure. My personal opinion is that  
> if you are writing all the code in a venture at the ground floor,  
> you are not a developer working for equity -- you are the technical  
> co-founder and have real skin in the game. You should want and  
> receive transparency to the finances of the organization, the  
> marketing plan, customer funnel and all aspects of the business. And  
> you should be using that access to pour as much insight and value  
> into the company as possible. Otherwise its not going to succeed.  
> Some guy with an idea + some guy who can write code will not  
> miraculously execute a start-up. You are looking at a long term  
> partnership that is going to require a lot more than just slinging  
> some code. If you don't want to worry about all the non-technical  
> aspects of building a business, you should just take cash and be  
> happy being a software developer.
>
> If you do want to move forward, I'd look at using a convertible note  
> structure. Essentially what you do is make a virtual investment in  
> the company payable as time at your hourly rate. Say you'll invest  
> $25,000 in your development time on a tab over the next six months.  
> That 25k note is payable in 24 months at a low interest rate and  
> optionally convertible into equity at the next fundraising event at  
> a favorable rate. Say you get six months in and there are investors  
> infusing 500k into the venture, you could structure the note such  
> that your 25k investment is convertible into equity at a 25%  
> discounted rate over what the cash investors are paying. So you  
> essentially buy into the pool with time at a discount and defer the  
> valuation to be determined at that fundraising event. Make sure that  
> your convertible equity is of the same class of stock as cash  
> investors, so you are on equal footing.  If you don't want to  
> convert into equity, you can cash out at that fundraising moment and  
> get your 25k paid back, with interest. And if the company goes  
> under, you are out just like an investor would be.
>
> - Blake
>
> On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Jared Haworth <jared.haworth at gmail.com 
> > wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> Just a quick question for those of you out there who work as  
> independent contractors:  do any of you have experience in accepting  
> a combination of money & equity for doing development work, in the  
> IC context?  Is this something that's done often (or at all)?  Are  
> there guidelines for it?
>
> Regards,
> Jared Haworth
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>
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From martin.streicher at gmail.com  Mon Jan 24 14:31:36 2011
From: martin.streicher at gmail.com (Martin Streicher)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 14:31:36 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Rails coders wanted
Message-ID: <57FBF919-7359-4EA9-B789-5F0BCD797C62@gmail.com>


I have been working with an educational startup for the past couple of months to revise an old app using Rails 3 and cloud services. The startup is well-funded, has national scope, and has the backing of at least two well-known foundations. The application allows students to collaborate and share media -- something of a blend of all social networks, but with rewards for creative work and cooperation. The project is currently in need of at least two additional developers for short-term and long-term work (contract-to-hire is an option). If you are a Rails developer with 2-3 years of experience or more, please contact me for more information. Openings are available now; pay is commensurate with experience. Preferably, you can commit full-time to the endeavor, as more and more sites are adopting the application and there are a lot of features to tackle. Telecommute within the US is an option. You should be able to use Git, MySQL, Mongo, Heroku, Rails 3, jQuery, and Rspec 2.

Thanks for your consideration.

Martin


From info at lojic.com  Mon Jan 24 17:05:31 2011
From: info at lojic.com (Brian Adkins)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 17:05:31 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Adding a URL path argument to a RESTful route
Message-ID: <5A9C483A-81B6-45D0-B130-D28D1F8F6B5C@lojic.com>

I would like to take the routes produced by the following:

map.resources :widgets

And prepend a URL path argument. For example, take the following route:

widgets GET /widgets/:id(.:format)   
{:action=>"show", :controller=>"widgets"}

and convert it to:

widgets GET /:gadget/widgets/:id(.:format)   
{:action=>"show", :controller=>"widgets"}


The following will do that, but at the expense of quite a bit of  
verbosity. It's simply creating the REST routes manually with the  
addition of the :gadget URL param:

map.with_options({:controller => 'widgets'}) do |o|
   o.widgets_index '/:gadget/widgets(.:format)',
     :action => :index, :conditions => { :method => :get }
   o.connect '/:gadget/widgets(.:format)',
     :action => :create, :conditions => { :method => :post }
   o.new_widgets '/:gadget/widgets/new(.:format)',
     :action => :new, :conditions => { :method => :get }
   o.edit_widgets '/:gadget/widgets/:id/edit(.:format)',
     :action => :edit, :conditions => { :method => :get }
   o.widgets '/:gadget/widgets/:id(.:format)',
     :action => :show, :conditions => { :method => :get }
   o.connect '/:gadget/widgets/:id(.:format)',
     :action => :update, :conditions => { :method => :put }
   o.connect '/:gadget/widgets/:id(.:format)',
     :action => :destroy, :conditions => { :method => :delete }
end

Can this be done more concisely while achieving the exact routes  
produced by the verbose version above (a simple nested route won't do  
it)? I thought about utilizing RAILS_RELATIVE_URL_ROOT and  
extracting :gadget manually in a filter, but there are some aspects  
about that approach that I don't like.

Thanks,
Brian

--
Brian Adkins
Lojic Technologies, LLC
http://lojic.com/





From jeremymcanally at gmail.com  Mon Jan 24 17:17:41 2011
From: jeremymcanally at gmail.com (Jeremy McAnally)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 17:17:41 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Adding a URL path argument to a RESTful route
In-Reply-To: <5A9C483A-81B6-45D0-B130-D28D1F8F6B5C@lojic.com>
References: <5A9C483A-81B6-45D0-B130-D28D1F8F6B5C@lojic.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinWqF3SX9L98Dqd5aLsGEFd9w7M=7T1JiTAdvAp@mail.gmail.com>

Ah, it's easier than that!  You can namespace routes:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3517248/rails-2-3-namespace-and-nested-shallow-resources-prefix-issue

--Jeremy

On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Brian Adkins <info at lojic.com> wrote:

> I would like to take the routes produced by the following:
>
> map.resources :widgets
>
> And prepend a URL path argument. For example, take the following route:
>
> widgets GET /widgets/:id(.:format)  {:action=>"show",
> :controller=>"widgets"}
>
> and convert it to:
>
> widgets GET /:gadget/widgets/:id(.:format)  {:action=>"show",
> :controller=>"widgets"}
>
>
> The following will do that, but at the expense of quite a bit of verbosity.
> It's simply creating the REST routes manually with the addition of the
> :gadget URL param:
>
> map.with_options({:controller => 'widgets'}) do |o|
>  o.widgets_index '/:gadget/widgets(.:format)',
>    :action => :index, :conditions => { :method => :get }
>  o.connect '/:gadget/widgets(.:format)',
>    :action => :create, :conditions => { :method => :post }
>  o.new_widgets '/:gadget/widgets/new(.:format)',
>    :action => :new, :conditions => { :method => :get }
>  o.edit_widgets '/:gadget/widgets/:id/edit(.:format)',
>    :action => :edit, :conditions => { :method => :get }
>  o.widgets '/:gadget/widgets/:id(.:format)',
>    :action => :show, :conditions => { :method => :get }
>  o.connect '/:gadget/widgets/:id(.:format)',
>    :action => :update, :conditions => { :method => :put }
>  o.connect '/:gadget/widgets/:id(.:format)',
>    :action => :destroy, :conditions => { :method => :delete }
> end
>
> Can this be done more concisely while achieving the exact routes produced
> by the verbose version above (a simple nested route won't do it)? I thought
> about utilizing RAILS_RELATIVE_URL_ROOT and extracting :gadget manually in a
> filter, but there are some aspects about that approach that I don't like.
>
> Thanks,
> Brian
>
> --
> Brian Adkins
> Lojic Technologies, LLC
> http://lojic.com/
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>



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From jeremymcanally at gmail.com  Mon Jan 24 17:18:31 2011
From: jeremymcanally at gmail.com (Jeremy McAnally)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 17:18:31 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Adding a URL path argument to a RESTful route
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinWqF3SX9L98Dqd5aLsGEFd9w7M=7T1JiTAdvAp@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5A9C483A-81B6-45D0-B130-D28D1F8F6B5C@lojic.com>
	<AANLkTinWqF3SX9L98Dqd5aLsGEFd9w7M=7T1JiTAdvAp@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=YG32_ezr+BZwrO6PDcd1OH18DHiE5-_U01MQt@mail.gmail.com>

Er, looking at it, that question wasn't quite what I was looking for, but if
you look in the Rails 2.3 API, you'll see the namespace method on the
router. :)

--Jeremy

On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Jeremy McAnally
<jeremymcanally at gmail.com>wrote:

> Ah, it's easier than that!  You can namespace routes:
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3517248/rails-2-3-namespace-and-nested-shallow-resources-prefix-issue
>
> --Jeremy
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Brian Adkins <info at lojic.com> wrote:
>
>> I would like to take the routes produced by the following:
>>
>> map.resources :widgets
>>
>> And prepend a URL path argument. For example, take the following route:
>>
>> widgets GET /widgets/:id(.:format)  {:action=>"show",
>> :controller=>"widgets"}
>>
>> and convert it to:
>>
>> widgets GET /:gadget/widgets/:id(.:format)  {:action=>"show",
>> :controller=>"widgets"}
>>
>>
>> The following will do that, but at the expense of quite a bit of
>> verbosity. It's simply creating the REST routes manually with the addition
>> of the :gadget URL param:
>>
>> map.with_options({:controller => 'widgets'}) do |o|
>>  o.widgets_index '/:gadget/widgets(.:format)',
>>    :action => :index, :conditions => { :method => :get }
>>  o.connect '/:gadget/widgets(.:format)',
>>    :action => :create, :conditions => { :method => :post }
>>  o.new_widgets '/:gadget/widgets/new(.:format)',
>>    :action => :new, :conditions => { :method => :get }
>>  o.edit_widgets '/:gadget/widgets/:id/edit(.:format)',
>>    :action => :edit, :conditions => { :method => :get }
>>  o.widgets '/:gadget/widgets/:id(.:format)',
>>    :action => :show, :conditions => { :method => :get }
>>  o.connect '/:gadget/widgets/:id(.:format)',
>>    :action => :update, :conditions => { :method => :put }
>>  o.connect '/:gadget/widgets/:id(.:format)',
>>    :action => :destroy, :conditions => { :method => :delete }
>> end
>>
>> Can this be done more concisely while achieving the exact routes produced
>> by the verbose version above (a simple nested route won't do it)? I thought
>> about utilizing RAILS_RELATIVE_URL_ROOT and extracting :gadget manually in a
>> filter, but there are some aspects about that approach that I don't like.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Brian
>>
>> --
>> Brian Adkins
>> Lojic Technologies, LLC
>> http://lojic.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>>
>
>
>
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> Bowties, ties, and more: http://wickhamhousebrand.com
>
> My books:
> http://r3uh.com  http://rbip.info/  http://hlrb.org (FREE!)
>
>
>


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From info at lojic.com  Mon Jan 24 17:42:06 2011
From: info at lojic.com (Brian Adkins)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 17:42:06 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Adding a URL path argument to a RESTful route
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinWqF3SX9L98Dqd5aLsGEFd9w7M=7T1JiTAdvAp@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5A9C483A-81B6-45D0-B130-D28D1F8F6B5C@lojic.com>
	<AANLkTinWqF3SX9L98Dqd5aLsGEFd9w7M=7T1JiTAdvAp@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3089E95D-D131-4BFA-8152-1340FBD89113@lojic.com>

Jeremy:

Excellent!

I actually came across that article, but I didn't realize the prefix  
could be dynamic, but I just tried the following, and it appears to  
work just fine:

map.resources :widgets, :path_prefix => "/:gadget"

I tried a few different ways to do the above within a map.namespace  
block since I have a bunch of them, but I couldn't get the route names  
to be correct. The above will save a ton of boilerplate though.

Thanks,
Brian

On Jan 24, 2011, at 5:17 PM, Jeremy McAnally wrote:

> Ah, it's easier than that!  You can namespace routes: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3517248/rails-2-3-namespace-and-nested-shallow-resources-prefix-issue
>
> --Jeremy
>
> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Brian Adkins <info at lojic.com> wrote:
> I would like to take the routes produced by the following:
>
> map.resources :widgets
>
> And prepend a URL path argument. For example, take the following  
> route:
>
> widgets GET /widgets/:id(.:format)   
> {:action=>"show", :controller=>"widgets"}
>
> and convert it to:
>
> widgets GET /:gadget/widgets/:id(.:format)   
> {:action=>"show", :controller=>"widgets"}
>
>
> The following will do that, but at the expense of quite a bit of  
> verbosity. It's simply creating the REST routes manually with the  
> addition of the :gadget URL param:
>
> map.with_options({:controller => 'widgets'}) do |o|
>  o.widgets_index '/:gadget/widgets(.:format)',
>    :action => :index, :conditions => { :method => :get }
>  o.connect '/:gadget/widgets(.:format)',
>    :action => :create, :conditions => { :method => :post }
>  o.new_widgets '/:gadget/widgets/new(.:format)',
>    :action => :new, :conditions => { :method => :get }
>  o.edit_widgets '/:gadget/widgets/:id/edit(.:format)',
>    :action => :edit, :conditions => { :method => :get }
>  o.widgets '/:gadget/widgets/:id(.:format)',
>    :action => :show, :conditions => { :method => :get }
>  o.connect '/:gadget/widgets/:id(.:format)',
>    :action => :update, :conditions => { :method => :put }
>  o.connect '/:gadget/widgets/:id(.:format)',
>    :action => :destroy, :conditions => { :method => :delete }
> end
>
> Can this be done more concisely while achieving the exact routes  
> produced by the verbose version above (a simple nested route won't  
> do it)? I thought about utilizing RAILS_RELATIVE_URL_ROOT and  
> extracting :gadget manually in a filter, but there are some aspects  
> about that approach that I don't like.
>
> Thanks,
> Brian
>
> --
> Brian Adkins
> Lojic Technologies, LLC
> http://lojic.com/
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>
>
>
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> Bowties, ties, and more: http://wickhamhousebrand.com
>
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>
>
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From info at lojic.com  Mon Jan 24 18:11:23 2011
From: info at lojic.com (Brian Adkins)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 18:11:23 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Adding a URL path argument to a RESTful route
In-Reply-To: <3089E95D-D131-4BFA-8152-1340FBD89113@lojic.com>
References: <5A9C483A-81B6-45D0-B130-D28D1F8F6B5C@lojic.com>
	<AANLkTinWqF3SX9L98Dqd5aLsGEFd9w7M=7T1JiTAdvAp@mail.gmail.com>
	<3089E95D-D131-4BFA-8152-1340FBD89113@lojic.com>
Message-ID: <467878EA-6093-484E-8D6F-CC620FE137E3@lojic.com>

Wrapping them all in a map.with_options instead of map.namespace will  
do what I want:

map.with_options({ :path_prefix => '/:gadget' }) do |m|
   m.resources :widgets
   ...
end

Brian

--
Brian Adkins
Lojic Technologies, LLC
http://lojic.com/




On Jan 24, 2011, at 5:42 PM, Brian Adkins wrote:

> Jeremy:
>
> Excellent!
>
> I actually came across that article, but I didn't realize the prefix  
> could be dynamic, but I just tried the following, and it appears to  
> work just fine:
>
> map.resources :widgets, :path_prefix => "/:gadget"
>
> I tried a few different ways to do the above within a map.namespace  
> block since I have a bunch of them, but I couldn't get the route  
> names to be correct. The above will save a ton of boilerplate though.
>
> Thanks,
> Brian
>
> On Jan 24, 2011, at 5:17 PM, Jeremy McAnally wrote:
>
>> Ah, it's easier than that!  You can namespace routes: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3517248/rails-2-3-namespace-and-nested-shallow-resources-prefix-issue
>>
>> --Jeremy
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Brian Adkins <info at lojic.com> wrote:
>> I would like to take the routes produced by the following:
>>
>> map.resources :widgets
>>
>> And prepend a URL path argument. For example, take the following  
>> route:
>>
>> widgets GET /widgets/:id(.:format)   
>> {:action=>"show", :controller=>"widgets"}
>>
>> and convert it to:
>>
>> widgets GET /:gadget/widgets/:id(.:format)   
>> {:action=>"show", :controller=>"widgets"}
>>
>>
>> The following will do that, but at the expense of quite a bit of  
>> verbosity. It's simply creating the REST routes manually with the  
>> addition of the :gadget URL param:
>>
>> map.with_options({:controller => 'widgets'}) do |o|
>>  o.widgets_index '/:gadget/widgets(.:format)',
>>    :action => :index, :conditions => { :method => :get }
>>  o.connect '/:gadget/widgets(.:format)',
>>    :action => :create, :conditions => { :method => :post }
>>  o.new_widgets '/:gadget/widgets/new(.:format)',
>>    :action => :new, :conditions => { :method => :get }
>>  o.edit_widgets '/:gadget/widgets/:id/edit(.:format)',
>>    :action => :edit, :conditions => { :method => :get }
>>  o.widgets '/:gadget/widgets/:id(.:format)',
>>    :action => :show, :conditions => { :method => :get }
>>  o.connect '/:gadget/widgets/:id(.:format)',
>>    :action => :update, :conditions => { :method => :put }
>>  o.connect '/:gadget/widgets/:id(.:format)',
>>    :action => :destroy, :conditions => { :method => :delete }
>> end
>>
>> Can this be done more concisely while achieving the exact routes  
>> produced by the verbose version above (a simple nested route won't  
>> do it)? I thought about utilizing RAILS_RELATIVE_URL_ROOT and  
>> extracting :gadget manually in a filter, but there are some aspects  
>> about that approach that I don't like.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Brian
>>
>> --
>> Brian Adkins
>> Lojic Technologies, LLC
>> http://lojic.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> http://jeremymcanally.com/ - http://intridea.com/
>> Bowties, ties, and more: http://wickhamhousebrand.com
>>
>> My books:
>> http://r3uh.com  http://rbip.info/  http://hlrb.org (FREE!)
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
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From steve at iannopollo.com  Mon Jan 24 18:14:12 2011
From: steve at iannopollo.com (Steve Iannopollo)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 18:14:12 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Adding a URL path argument to a RESTful route
In-Reply-To: <5A9C483A-81B6-45D0-B130-D28D1F8F6B5C@lojic.com>
References: <5A9C483A-81B6-45D0-B130-D28D1F8F6B5C@lojic.com>
Message-ID: <45A097BA-E6AE-41D9-B88B-B68E8D0467D2@iannopollo.com>

I think you might just be able to use the :path_prefix option, like this:

map.resources :widgets, :path_prefix => ':gadget'

-Steve

On Jan 24, 2011, at 5:05 PM, Brian Adkins wrote:

> I would like to take the routes produced by the following:
> 
> map.resources :widgets
> 
> And prepend a URL path argument. For example, take the following route:
> 
> widgets GET /widgets/:id(.:format)  {:action=>"show", :controller=>"widgets"}
> 
> and convert it to:
> 
> widgets GET /:gadget/widgets/:id(.:format)  {:action=>"show", :controller=>"widgets"}
> 
> 
> The following will do that, but at the expense of quite a bit of verbosity. It's simply creating the REST routes manually with the addition of the :gadget URL param:
> 
> map.with_options({:controller => 'widgets'}) do |o|
>  o.widgets_index '/:gadget/widgets(.:format)',
>    :action => :index, :conditions => { :method => :get }
>  o.connect '/:gadget/widgets(.:format)',
>    :action => :create, :conditions => { :method => :post }
>  o.new_widgets '/:gadget/widgets/new(.:format)',
>    :action => :new, :conditions => { :method => :get }
>  o.edit_widgets '/:gadget/widgets/:id/edit(.:format)',
>    :action => :edit, :conditions => { :method => :get }
>  o.widgets '/:gadget/widgets/:id(.:format)',
>    :action => :show, :conditions => { :method => :get }
>  o.connect '/:gadget/widgets/:id(.:format)',
>    :action => :update, :conditions => { :method => :put }
>  o.connect '/:gadget/widgets/:id(.:format)',
>    :action => :destroy, :conditions => { :method => :delete }
> end
> 
> Can this be done more concisely while achieving the exact routes produced by the verbose version above (a simple nested route won't do it)? I thought about utilizing RAILS_RELATIVE_URL_ROOT and extracting :gadget manually in a filter, but there are some aspects about that approach that I don't like.
> 
> Thanks,
> Brian
> 
> --
> Brian Adkins
> Lojic Technologies, LLC
> http://lojic.com/
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members


From jeremymcanally at gmail.com  Mon Jan 24 19:44:34 2011
From: jeremymcanally at gmail.com (Jeremy McAnally)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 19:44:34 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Adding a URL path argument to a RESTful route
In-Reply-To: <467878EA-6093-484E-8D6F-CC620FE137E3@lojic.com>
References: <5A9C483A-81B6-45D0-B130-D28D1F8F6B5C@lojic.com>
	<AANLkTinWqF3SX9L98Dqd5aLsGEFd9w7M=7T1JiTAdvAp@mail.gmail.com>
	<3089E95D-D131-4BFA-8152-1340FBD89113@lojic.com>
	<467878EA-6093-484E-8D6F-CC620FE137E3@lojic.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimC9FBRVSKie9PO+m0qL0jgCYcJ=gDOgBg+qbB-@mail.gmail.com>

Ah yes!  Didn't register in my brain you needed it dynamic.  Then yup this
is the way to do it!

--Jeremy

On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Brian Adkins <info at lojic.com> wrote:

> Wrapping them all in a map.with_options instead of map.namespace will do
> what I want:
>
> map.with_options({ :path_prefix => '/:gadget' }) do |m|
>   m.resources :widgets
>   ...
> end
>
> Brian
>
> --
> Brian Adkins
> Lojic Technologies, LLC
> http://lojic.com/
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 24, 2011, at 5:42 PM, Brian Adkins wrote:
>
> Jeremy:
>
> Excellent!
>
> I actually came across that article, but I didn't realize the prefix could
> be dynamic, but I just tried the following, and it appears to work just
> fine:
>
> map.resources :widgets, :path_prefix => "/:gadget"
>
> I tried a few different ways to do the above within a map.namespace block
> since I have a bunch of them, but I couldn't get the route names to be
> correct. The above will save a ton of boilerplate though.
>
> Thanks,
> Brian
>
> On Jan 24, 2011, at 5:17 PM, Jeremy McAnally wrote:
>
> Ah, it's easier than that!  You can namespace routes:
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3517248/rails-2-3-namespace-and-nested-shallow-resources-prefix-issue
>
> --Jeremy
>
> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Brian Adkins <info at lojic.com> wrote:
>
>> I would like to take the routes produced by the following:
>>
>> map.resources :widgets
>>
>> And prepend a URL path argument. For example, take the following route:
>>
>> widgets GET /widgets/:id(.:format)  {:action=>"show",
>> :controller=>"widgets"}
>>
>> and convert it to:
>>
>> widgets GET /:gadget/widgets/:id(.:format)  {:action=>"show",
>> :controller=>"widgets"}
>>
>>
>> The following will do that, but at the expense of quite a bit of
>> verbosity. It's simply creating the REST routes manually with the addition
>> of the :gadget URL param:
>>
>> map.with_options({:controller => 'widgets'}) do |o|
>>  o.widgets_index '/:gadget/widgets(.:format)',
>>    :action => :index, :conditions => { :method => :get }
>>  o.connect '/:gadget/widgets(.:format)',
>>    :action => :create, :conditions => { :method => :post }
>>  o.new_widgets '/:gadget/widgets/new(.:format)',
>>    :action => :new, :conditions => { :method => :get }
>>  o.edit_widgets '/:gadget/widgets/:id/edit(.:format)',
>>    :action => :edit, :conditions => { :method => :get }
>>  o.widgets '/:gadget/widgets/:id(.:format)',
>>    :action => :show, :conditions => { :method => :get }
>>  o.connect '/:gadget/widgets/:id(.:format)',
>>    :action => :update, :conditions => { :method => :put }
>>  o.connect '/:gadget/widgets/:id(.:format)',
>>    :action => :destroy, :conditions => { :method => :delete }
>> end
>>
>> Can this be done more concisely while achieving the exact routes produced
>> by the verbose version above (a simple nested route won't do it)? I thought
>> about utilizing RAILS_RELATIVE_URL_ROOT and extracting :gadget manually in a
>> filter, but there are some aspects about that approach that I don't like.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Brian
>>
>> --
>> Brian Adkins
>> Lojic Technologies, LLC
>> http://lojic.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>>
>
>
>
> --
> http://jeremymcanally.com/ - http://intridea.com/
> Bowties, ties, and more: http://wickhamhousebrand.com
>
> My books:
> http://r3uh.com  http://rbip.info/  http://hlrb.org (FREE!)
>
>
>  _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
>
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From thomas at ravinggenius.com  Mon Jan 24 22:25:22 2011
From: thomas at ravinggenius.com (Thomas Ingram)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 22:25:22 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] multiple gemfiles in a project
Message-ID: <AANLkTikK1iipkOv8taw_2rCr4naArRqss6iaUyFd1s+X@mail.gmail.com>

I'm building an extension system for my app, and I'd like for each
extension to be able to specify gem dependencies in their own Gemfile.
Is this possible? I've tried multiple variations on `Dir[Bundler.root
+ 'vendor' + 'addons' + '**' + '*' + 'Gemfile'].each { |gemfile|
require gemfile }` with no success.

-- 
Thomas Ingram ><>

From matthew at matthewtodd.org  Tue Jan 25 07:48:14 2011
From: matthew at matthewtodd.org (Matthew Todd)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 15:48:14 +0300
Subject: [raleigh.rb] multiple gemfiles in a project
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikK1iipkOv8taw_2rCr4naArRqss6iaUyFd1s+X@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikK1iipkOv8taw_2rCr4naArRqss6iaUyFd1s+X@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D5EA5094-44C0-481C-803A-50306F40186F@matthewtodd.org>

On Jan 25, 2011, at 6:25 AM, Thomas Ingram wrote:

> I'm building an extension system for my app, and I'd like for each
> extension to be able to specify gem dependencies in their own Gemfile.
> Is this possible? I've tried multiple variations on `Dir[Bundler.root
> + 'vendor' + 'addons' + '**' + '*' + 'Gemfile'].each { |gemfile|
> require gemfile }` with no success.

To play nice with bundler, my first thought would be to consider structuring those extensions as gems themselves -- even if they're otherwise-unreleased directories with top-level .gemspec files.

Then, you could 'gem "foo", :path => "vendor/addons/foo"' in your app's Gemfile.

(You'd need to specify the extensions' dependencies in their .gemspecs, so that bundler-at-the-app-level can know about and resolve them. Each extension-level Gemfile would then just contain "source :rubygems; gemspec".)

Cheers,  -- Matthew
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From minter at lunenburg.org  Wed Jan 26 15:40:16 2011
From: minter at lunenburg.org (H. Wade Minter)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 15:40:16 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Best way to spread reads out among multiple MySQL
	systems in Rails 2.3?
Message-ID: <5FA76818-F96D-40CF-8C36-5A966FE32422@lunenburg.org>

I have a Rails 2.3 app that I'd like to extend by spreading database reads out among a master and slave MySQL server, while keeping writes going to the master.  I'd also ideally like to do that at the connection proxy layer, not the model.  Is there a best-practices way of doing that these days?

--Wade

From tesmar at statsheet.com  Wed Jan 26 16:05:41 2011
From: tesmar at statsheet.com (Tyler Smart)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 16:05:41 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Best way to spread reads out among multiple MySQL
 systems in Rails 2.3?
In-Reply-To: <5FA76818-F96D-40CF-8C36-5A966FE32422@lunenburg.org>
References: <5FA76818-F96D-40CF-8C36-5A966FE32422@lunenburg.org>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=Fqgw2inFtFp=bE8YkphWtqWy4RADL4wj+pQfD@mail.gmail.com>

We use MySQL Proxy, that might be what you are looking for.

On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:40 PM, H. Wade Minter <minter at lunenburg.org>wrote:

> I have a Rails 2.3 app that I'd like to extend by spreading database reads
> out among a master and slave MySQL server, while keeping writes going to the
> master.  I'd also ideally like to do that at the connection proxy layer, not
> the model.  Is there a best-practices way of doing that these days?
>
> --Wade
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
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From seancribbs at gmail.com  Wed Jan 26 16:48:08 2011
From: seancribbs at gmail.com (Sean Cribbs)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 16:48:08 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Positions Available (remote or DC area)
Message-ID: <AANLkTinJ1JWh4yOsx4MUS_e-cz8AO_5YyL5EjtJF5eCp@mail.gmail.com>

If you're looking for a job, I know a small consulting shop in the DC
area that is looking for top Ruby talent. You could work remotely or
from DC. Ping me for details!

Cheers,

Sean Cribbs

From crnixon at gmail.com  Thu Jan 27 09:35:10 2011
From: crnixon at gmail.com (Clinton R. Nixon)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 09:35:10 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Positions Available (remote or DC area)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinJ1JWh4yOsx4MUS_e-cz8AO_5YyL5EjtJF5eCp@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinJ1JWh4yOsx4MUS_e-cz8AO_5YyL5EjtJF5eCp@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikz7YUiGFYDJnAn=fHR84RB+MNKkdT18SrBVHXE@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Sean Cribbs <seancribbs at gmail.com> wrote:
> If you're looking for a job, I know a small consulting shop in the DC
> area that is looking for top Ruby talent. You could work remotely or
> from DC. Ping me for details!

Sean,

I'm interested in details, although I might not be the best fit. I'm
looking for something less than full-time, and looking to start in
April sometime.

- Clinton

From blakewatters at gmail.com  Thu Jan 27 10:35:04 2011
From: blakewatters at gmail.com (Blake Watters)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 10:35:04 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Opportunity with a Fashion Start-Up
Message-ID: <AANLkTinC7hmGGUBChfk5s8aSr+hVspg9mUqL0y8vvx4L@mail.gmail.com>

All -

Wanted to pass along an opportunity to work with a great team on an
excellent product. The folks at Go Try It On (http://www.gotryiton.com/) are
looking to hire on mobile and web development/systems architecture talent.
They launched with a big splash last year at SXSW and have a great web
product, complimented by a strong mobile offering developed by Two Toasters.
The product enables consumers to crowd-source fashion advice by submitting
pictures via their mobile device and quickly receive feedback from the
community. The market has responded well and they are quickly growing a
passionate user-base. They've taken a funding round and are looking to build
out their in-house development capabilities.

The web tier is built in PHP + javascript and they currently have an iPhone
app. They will be expanding to Android and there's opportunity to work with
some fun technologies and have a major impact on the product.

Details available at: http://www.gotryiton.com/jobs/wae.php

Best,
Blake
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From info at lojic.com  Thu Jan 27 11:27:07 2011
From: info at lojic.com (Brian Adkins)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 11:27:07 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Opportunity with a Fashion Start-Up
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinC7hmGGUBChfk5s8aSr+hVspg9mUqL0y8vvx4L@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinC7hmGGUBChfk5s8aSr+hVspg9mUqL0y8vvx4L@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <86F74C06-18C8-4AF3-8843-8D6A0C196B9B@lojic.com>

php != GOOD && ruby == GOOD # => true

On Jan 27, 2011, at 10:35 AM, Blake Watters wrote:

> All -
>
> Wanted to pass along an opportunity to work with a great team on an  
> excellent product. The folks at Go Try It On (http://www.gotryiton.com/ 
> ) are looking to hire on mobile and web development/systems  
> architecture talent. They launched with a big splash last year at  
> SXSW and have a great web product, complimented by a strong mobile  
> offering developed by Two Toasters. The product enables consumers to  
> crowd-source fashion advice by submitting pictures via their mobile  
> device and quickly receive feedback from the community. The market  
> has responded well and they are quickly growing a passionate user- 
> base. They've taken a funding round and are looking to build out  
> their in-house development capabilities.
>
> The web tier is built in PHP + javascript and they currently have an  
> iPhone app. They will be expanding to Android and there's  
> opportunity to work with some fun technologies and have a major  
> impact on the product.
>
> Details available at: http://www.gotryiton.com/jobs/wae.php
>
> Best,
> Blake
> _______________________________________________
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From rick.denatale at gmail.com  Fri Jan 28 14:46:49 2011
From: rick.denatale at gmail.com (Rick DeNatale)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 14:46:49 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Lightweight CI recommendations
Message-ID: <AANLkTik+BLHynuytfJBVHT1KQMRf+e4sHC-NuY2z5yxD@mail.gmail.com>

We're looking for a real lightweight CI thingy at SciMed.  What I have
in mind is something like RunCodeRun used to do, a git hook which
would just run the default rake task and report results.

This would be for our own git repo.

The guy looking at it was pondering cijoe but we were wondering if
there were other better optionss.

-- 
Rick DeNatale

Blog: http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/
Github: http://github.com/rubyredrick
Twitter: @RickDeNatale
WWR: http://www.workingwithrails.com/person/9021-rick-denatale
LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rickdenatale

From aaron at aaronbedra.com  Fri Jan 28 15:27:45 2011
From: aaron at aaronbedra.com (Aaron Bedra)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 15:27:45 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Lightweight CI recommendations
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The best option is still Hudson.  I wouldn't mess with the other stuff at
this point.

Aaron

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Rick DeNatale <rick.denatale at gmail.com>wrote:

> We're looking for a real lightweight CI thingy at SciMed.  What I have
> in mind is something like RunCodeRun used to do, a git hook which
> would just run the default rake task and report results.
>
> This would be for our own git repo.
>
> The guy looking at it was pondering cijoe but we were wondering if
> there were other better optionss.
>
> --
> Rick DeNatale
>
> Blog: http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/
> Github: http://github.com/rubyredrick
> Twitter: @RickDeNatale
> WWR: http://www.workingwithrails.com/person/9021-rick-denatale
> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rickdenatale
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From mriffe at gmail.com  Fri Jan 28 15:36:14 2011
From: mriffe at gmail.com (Mel Riffe)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 15:36:14 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Lightweight CI recommendations
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Hey Rick,

Have you considered Hudson? http://hudson-ci.org/

<http://hudson-ci.org/>Though it's Java-based, it does come in a
self-contained war file and has plenty of plugins to address your
Git/Rake/Ruby needs.

I'm currently using it for a client of mine and it was dead simple to
stand-up. I dropped the war file on a server, kicked it off, opened up the
web ui, added the Ruby, Rake, and Subversion plugins, created a new project
and off it went. I haven't had any problems with it (so far).

Cheers,
Mel

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Rick DeNatale <rick.denatale at gmail.com>wrote:

> We're looking for a real lightweight CI thingy at SciMed.  What I have
> in mind is something like RunCodeRun used to do, a git hook which
> would just run the default rake task and report results.
>
> This would be for our own git repo.
>
> The guy looking at it was pondering cijoe but we were wondering if
> there were other better optionss.
>
> --
> Rick DeNatale
>
> Blog: http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/
> Github: http://github.com/rubyredrick
> Twitter: @RickDeNatale
> WWR: http://www.workingwithrails.com/person/9021-rick-denatale
> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rickdenatale
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From jeremymcanally at gmail.com  Fri Jan 28 15:48:45 2011
From: jeremymcanally at gmail.com (Jeremy McAnally)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 15:48:45 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Lightweight CI recommendations
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Don't you mean Jenkins? ;)

Either way, I agree with this.  Every time I've tried something else it
required too much maintenance.  Integrity worked well for us for about a
month but then it just started falling over.  I've heard good things about
cijoe from the guys at Github, but I haven't personally been able to setup a
fully-fledge instance of it yet.

--Jeremy

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Aaron Bedra <aaron at aaronbedra.com> wrote:

> The best option is still Hudson.  I wouldn't mess with the other stuff at
> this point.
>
> Aaron
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Rick DeNatale <rick.denatale at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> We're looking for a real lightweight CI thingy at SciMed.  What I have
>> in mind is something like RunCodeRun used to do, a git hook which
>> would just run the default rake task and report results.
>>
>> This would be for our own git repo.
>>
>> The guy looking at it was pondering cijoe but we were wondering if
>> there were other better optionss.
>>
>> --
>> Rick DeNatale
>>
>> Blog: http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/
>> Github: http://github.com/rubyredrick
>> Twitter: @RickDeNatale
>> WWR: http://www.workingwithrails.com/person/9021-rick-denatale
>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rickdenatale
>> _______________________________________________
>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
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>
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From aaron at aaronbedra.com  Fri Jan 28 16:17:22 2011
From: aaron at aaronbedra.com (Aaron Bedra)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 16:17:22 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Lightweight CI recommendations
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Agreed and my experience matches.  Hudson (Jenkins) also grows with you.
 There are a ton of plugins and options that help you configure and report.
 In my experience you always want to start with something light and simple,
but in the end each app is a snowflake.  It often results in custom
configuration and needs.  Hudson does a pretty good job of getting out of
your way early on, but giving you the power you need down the road.

Aaron

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Jeremy McAnally
<jeremymcanally at gmail.com>wrote:

> Don't you mean Jenkins? ;)
>
> Either way, I agree with this.  Every time I've tried something else it
> required too much maintenance.  Integrity worked well for us for about a
> month but then it just started falling over.  I've heard good things about
> cijoe from the guys at Github, but I haven't personally been able to setup a
> fully-fledge instance of it yet.
>
> --Jeremy
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Aaron Bedra <aaron at aaronbedra.com> wrote:
>
>> The best option is still Hudson.  I wouldn't mess with the other stuff at
>> this point.
>>
>> Aaron
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Rick DeNatale <rick.denatale at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> We're looking for a real lightweight CI thingy at SciMed.  What I have
>>> in mind is something like RunCodeRun used to do, a git hook which
>>> would just run the default rake task and report results.
>>>
>>> This would be for our own git repo.
>>>
>>> The guy looking at it was pondering cijoe but we were wondering if
>>> there were other better optionss.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Rick DeNatale
>>>
>>> Blog: http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/
>>> Github: http://github.com/rubyredrick
>>> Twitter: @RickDeNatale
>>> WWR: http://www.workingwithrails.com/person/9021-rick-denatale
>>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rickdenatale
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>>>
>>
>>
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