From info at lojic.com  Tue Nov  9 19:00:04 2010
From: info at lojic.com (Brian Adkins)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 19:00:04 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Off-topic Time Machine / Spotlight issue
Message-ID: <6A488EEE-2A7F-49A1-B7B3-A69084D3B4AC@lojic.com>

Sorry for the off-topic post, but I know there are a *lot* of Mac  
users on the list, and I'm curious if anyone has run into this.

I began an initial Time Machine backup to a new drive today. It  
reported 112.8 GB of backup data. When it had completed 103 GB of  
112.8 GB, I noticed an mds process using a lot of CPU, so I thought  
that spotlight indexing might be slowing down the backup. I went into  
the spotlight preference pane and added my backup drive to the "don't  
index" list. Immediately the backup process went to 0% CPU and the mds  
began using even more CPU. This continued for a while and then Time  
Machine reported "backup complete" and the backup is ~ 103 GB in size :(

So it appears that it just skipped the remaining files. I rebooted the  
machine and did another backup, but it only performed a small  
additional backup. I've also done the following on both my / and / 
Volumes/<backupdrive>:

sudo mdutil -E /
sudo mdutil -E /Volumes/<backupdrive>

as well as sudo mdutil -i on /  etc.

I haven't been able to find anything that will compare my disk with  
the backup to see if the backup is complete. Has anyone come across  
such a utility? It's a little disconcerting wondering which ~ 10 GB  
haven't been backed up.

I'm also curious about Time Machine internals - how does it determine  
what to backup? does it cache an index of files that have been backed  
up? can this info be reset? etc.

My only thought is to rename the backup folder, do another initial  
backup and remove the old backup, but that's another 5-6 hours.

Brian

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From mikehale at gmail.com  Wed Nov 10 11:53:32 2010
From: mikehale at gmail.com (Michael Hale)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 11:53:32 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Off-topic Time Machine / Spotlight issue
In-Reply-To: <6A488EEE-2A7F-49A1-B7B3-A69084D3B4AC@lojic.com>
References: <6A488EEE-2A7F-49A1-B7B3-A69084D3B4AC@lojic.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikj64WMbNUi=KQ+sSBNeGHF1iyG3u-SvG5S_WU3@mail.gmail.com>

I think time machine backs up to a sparse disk image which you could
manually mount. Then you could use a tool to compare the contents of
your backup volume with your current system. Perhaps rsync -av
--dry-run?

On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 7:00 PM, Brian Adkins <info at lojic.com> wrote:
> Sorry for the off-topic post, but I know there are a *lot* of Mac users on
> the list, and I'm curious if anyone has run into this.
>
> I began an initial Time Machine backup to a new drive today. It reported
> 112.8 GB of backup data. When it had completed 103 GB of 112.8 GB, I noticed
> an mds process using a lot of CPU, so I thought that spotlight indexing
> might be slowing down the backup. I went into the spotlight preference pane
> and added my backup drive to the "don't index" list. Immediately the backup
> process went to 0% CPU and the mds began using even more CPU. This continued
> for a while and then Time Machine reported "backup complete" and the backup
> is ~ 103 GB in size :(
>
> So it appears that it just skipped the remaining files. I rebooted the
> machine and did another backup, but it only performed a small additional
> backup. I've also done the following on both my / and
> /Volumes/<backupdrive>:
>
> sudo mdutil -E /
> sudo mdutil -E /Volumes/<backupdrive>
>
> as well as sudo mdutil -i on / ?etc.
>
> I haven't been able to find anything that will compare my disk with the
> backup to see if the backup is complete. Has anyone come across such a
> utility? It's a little disconcerting wondering which ~ 10 GB haven't been
> backed up.
>
> I'm also curious about Time Machine internals - how does it determine what
> to backup? does it cache an index of files that have been backed up? can
> this info be reset? etc.
>
> My only thought is to rename the backup folder, do another initial backup
> and remove the old backup, but that's another 5-6 hours.
>
> Brian
>
> --
> Brian Adkins
> Lojic Technologies, LLC
> http://lojic.com/
>
>
>
>
>
> --
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> Lojic Technologies, LLC
> http://lojic.com/
>
>
>
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From chris.tonog at gmail.com  Wed Nov 10 14:24:07 2010
From: chris.tonog at gmail.com (chris tonog)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 14:24:07 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Routing question in Camping Framework
Message-ID: <AANLkTin=EE+KKebkBGD6KprfzkOrZjO8+s+-G1JJocTm@mail.gmail.com>

Hi there,

First time poster, long time lurker.

I'm trying to create a lightweight tool for work that allows a user to enter
a tracking number, and then be routed to that tracking number page. Since we
use different shipping services, we have different tracking numbers, and it
would be easier to enter the tracking number on one site as opposed to going
to different sites.

I'm currently using the camping framework to build it as Rails seems a bit
too much to solve the problem. I'm planning on using regular expressions to
determine what type of tracking number it is and route to the specific URL
with the inputted tracking number interpolated as the tracking number value
being GET'd. My question is, where would I put the logic for determining the
type of tracking number? Since it's simply being routed do I put this in the
controller, or do I need to create a model?

Here's what I have so far:

   Camping.goes :Tracking


module Tracking::Controllers

  class Index < R '/'

    def get

      render :start

    end

  end



  class Shipping

    def get(tracking_number)

      redirect "http://
http://www.fedex.com/Tracking?language=english&cntry_code=us&tracknumbers=#{tracking_number}
"

    end

  end

end


module Tracking::Views

  def start

    p "enter a tracking number"

    form :action => R(Shipping), :method => :get do

    input :type => "text", :name => "tracking number"

    br

    br

    input :type => "submit", :value => "Track!"

   end

  end

end

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!

Chris
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From info at lojic.com  Wed Nov 10 17:39:26 2010
From: info at lojic.com (Brian Adkins)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 17:39:26 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Off-topic Time Machine / Spotlight issue
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikj64WMbNUi=KQ+sSBNeGHF1iyG3u-SvG5S_WU3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6A488EEE-2A7F-49A1-B7B3-A69084D3B4AC@lojic.com>
	<AANLkTikj64WMbNUi=KQ+sSBNeGHF1iyG3u-SvG5S_WU3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <81E1296D-AD44-49F4-B035-7AB369D3B924@lojic.com>

Thanks Michael. I think the comparison will have a lot of "noise" due  
to the Time Machine image not having operating system files, etc.

I looked at a previous backup on a different disk and it was about 103  
GB also, so I *think* I just happened to stop the spotlight indexing  
precisely at the end of the backup. So the combination of Time Machine  
reporting 112.8 GB were to be backed up instead of the actual 103 GB  
and my impeccable timing of stopping spotlight appears to be just an  
incredible coincidence!


On Nov 10, 2010, at 11:53 AM, Michael Hale wrote:

> I think time machine backs up to a sparse disk image which you could
> manually mount. Then you could use a tool to compare the contents of
> your backup volume with your current system. Perhaps rsync -av
> --dry-run?
>
> On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 7:00 PM, Brian Adkins <info at lojic.com> wrote:
>> Sorry for the off-topic post, but I know there are a *lot* of Mac  
>> users on
>> the list, and I'm curious if anyone has run into this.
>>
>> I began an initial Time Machine backup to a new drive today. It  
>> reported
>> 112.8 GB of backup data. When it had completed 103 GB of 112.8 GB,  
>> I noticed
>> an mds process using a lot of CPU, so I thought that spotlight  
>> indexing
>> might be slowing down the backup. I went into the spotlight  
>> preference pane
>> and added my backup drive to the "don't index" list. Immediately  
>> the backup
>> process went to 0% CPU and the mds began using even more CPU. This  
>> continued
>> for a while and then Time Machine reported "backup complete" and  
>> the backup
>> is ~ 103 GB in size :(
>>
>> So it appears that it just skipped the remaining files. I rebooted  
>> the
>> machine and did another backup, but it only performed a small  
>> additional
>> backup. I've also done the following on both my / and
>> /Volumes/<backupdrive>:
>>
>> sudo mdutil -E /
>> sudo mdutil -E /Volumes/<backupdrive>
>>
>> as well as sudo mdutil -i on /  etc.
>>
>> I haven't been able to find anything that will compare my disk with  
>> the
>> backup to see if the backup is complete. Has anyone come across  
>> such a
>> utility? It's a little disconcerting wondering which ~ 10 GB  
>> haven't been
>> backed up.
>>
>> I'm also curious about Time Machine internals - how does it  
>> determine what
>> to backup? does it cache an index of files that have been backed  
>> up? can
>> this info be reset? etc.
>>
>> My only thought is to rename the backup folder, do another initial  
>> backup
>> and remove the old backup, but that's another 5-6 hours.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> --
>> Brian Adkins
>> Lojic Technologies, LLC
>> http://lojic.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> Lojic Technologies, LLC
>> http://lojic.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From tj at stank.us  Thu Nov 11 00:00:40 2010
From: tj at stank.us (TJ Stankus)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 21:00:40 -0800
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Routing question in Camping Framework
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin=EE+KKebkBGD6KprfzkOrZjO8+s+-G1JJocTm@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTin=EE+KKebkBGD6KprfzkOrZjO8+s+-G1JJocTm@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikjLRKMGLPf7iH44uTxpS=9tuAj6OmVkjtVBvsr@mail.gmail.com>

Have you considered Sinatra? It's probably the best supported of the Ruby
micro web frameworks.

-TJ

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 11:24 AM, chris tonog <chris.tonog at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> First time poster, long time lurker.
>
> I'm trying to create a lightweight tool for work that allows a user to
> enter a tracking number, and then be routed to that tracking number page.
> Since we use different shipping services, we have different tracking
> numbers, and it would be easier to enter the tracking number on one site as
> opposed to going to different sites.
>
> I'm currently using the camping framework to build it as Rails seems a bit
> too much to solve the problem. I'm planning on using regular expressions to
> determine what type of tracking number it is and route to the specific URL
> with the inputted tracking number interpolated as the tracking number value
> being GET'd. My question is, where would I put the logic for determining the
> type of tracking number? Since it's simply being routed do I put this in the
> controller, or do I need to create a model?
>
> Here's what I have so far:
>
> Camping.goes :Tracking
>
>
> module Tracking::Controllers
>
>   class Index < R '/'
>
>     def get
>
>       render :start
>
>     end
>
>   end
>
>
>
>   class Shipping
>
>     def get(tracking_number)
>
>       redirect "http://
> http://www.fedex.com/Tracking?language=english&cntry_code=us&tracknumbers=#{tracking_number}<http://www.fedex.com/Tracking?language=english&cntry_code=us&tracknumbers=#%7Btracking_number%7D>
> "
>
>     end
>
>   end
>
> end
>
>
> module Tracking::Views
>
>   def start
>
>     p "enter a tracking number"
>
>     form :action => R(Shipping), :method => :get do
>
>     input :type => "text", :name => "tracking number"
>
>     br
>
>     br
>
>     input :type => "submit", :value => "Track!"
>
>    end
>
>   end
>
> end
>
> Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!
>
> Chris
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>
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From chris.tonog at gmail.com  Thu Nov 11 10:47:37 2010
From: chris.tonog at gmail.com (chris tonog)
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 10:47:37 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Routing question in Camping Framework
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikjLRKMGLPf7iH44uTxpS=9tuAj6OmVkjtVBvsr@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTin=EE+KKebkBGD6KprfzkOrZjO8+s+-G1JJocTm@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikjLRKMGLPf7iH44uTxpS=9tuAj6OmVkjtVBvsr@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikauOyhjqnmAa+mxFZWGGLJpDL50EMhbjgnyD6M@mail.gmail.com>

Hi TJ,

I did try Sinatra (it was my first choice), but I didn't know how to
incorporate routing logic (if the string inputted is in a certain format,
route to this URL) as it wasn't what I was used to (MVC). Camping was MVC,
except without the extra stuff Rails comes with. I'll take another look at
it though.

Thanks!

Chris

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 12:00 AM, TJ Stankus <tj at stank.us> wrote:

> Have you considered Sinatra? It's probably the best supported of the Ruby
> micro web frameworks.
>
> -TJ
>
> On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 11:24 AM, chris tonog <chris.tonog at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi there,
>>
>> First time poster, long time lurker.
>>
>> I'm trying to create a lightweight tool for work that allows a user to
>> enter a tracking number, and then be routed to that tracking number page.
>> Since we use different shipping services, we have different tracking
>> numbers, and it would be easier to enter the tracking number on one site as
>> opposed to going to different sites.
>>
>> I'm currently using the camping framework to build it as Rails seems a bit
>> too much to solve the problem. I'm planning on using regular expressions to
>> determine what type of tracking number it is and route to the specific URL
>> with the inputted tracking number interpolated as the tracking number value
>> being GET'd. My question is, where would I put the logic for determining the
>> type of tracking number? Since it's simply being routed do I put this in the
>> controller, or do I need to create a model?
>>
>> Here's what I have so far:
>>
>> Camping.goes :Tracking
>>
>>
>> module Tracking::Controllers
>>
>>   class Index < R '/'
>>
>>     def get
>>
>>       render :start
>>
>>     end
>>
>>   end
>>
>>
>>
>>   class Shipping
>>
>>     def get(tracking_number)
>>
>>       redirect "http://
>> http://www.fedex.com/Tracking?language=english&cntry_code=us&tracknumbers=#{tracking_number}<http://www.fedex.com/Tracking?language=english&cntry_code=us&tracknumbers=#%7Btracking_number%7D>
>> "
>>
>>     end
>>
>>   end
>>
>> end
>>
>>
>> module Tracking::Views
>>
>>   def start
>>
>>     p "enter a tracking number"
>>
>>     form :action => R(Shipping), :method => :get do
>>
>>     input :type => "text", :name => "tracking number"
>>
>>     br
>>
>>     br
>>
>>     input :type => "submit", :value => "Track!"
>>
>>    end
>>
>>   end
>>
>> end
>>
>> Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>>
>
>
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From jimmy at jimmythrasher.com  Thu Nov 11 10:54:26 2010
From: jimmy at jimmythrasher.com (Jimmy Thrasher)
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 10:54:26 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Routing question in Camping Framework
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikauOyhjqnmAa+mxFZWGGLJpDL50EMhbjgnyD6M@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTin=EE+KKebkBGD6KprfzkOrZjO8+s+-G1JJocTm@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikjLRKMGLPf7iH44uTxpS=9tuAj6OmVkjtVBvsr@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikauOyhjqnmAa+mxFZWGGLJpDL50EMhbjgnyD6M@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik6D9rRyTwDR=c+dG8zmTPU5nb8GGX9ifO70Ak8@mail.gmail.com>

Since you're using a form, if you had:

get '/' do
  #render your form here
end

get '/s' do
  #get form params through the params variable here, probably
end

And your form could GET '/s'

Jimmy

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 10:47 AM, chris tonog <chris.tonog at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi TJ,
>
> I did try Sinatra (it was my first choice), but I didn't know how to
> incorporate routing logic (if the string inputted is in a certain format,
> route to this URL) as it wasn't what I was used to (MVC). Camping was MVC,
> except without the extra stuff Rails comes with. I'll take another look at
> it though.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Chris
>
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 12:00 AM, TJ Stankus <tj at stank.us> wrote:
>
>> Have you considered Sinatra? It's probably the best supported of the Ruby
>> micro web frameworks.
>>
>> -TJ
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 11:24 AM, chris tonog <chris.tonog at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Hi there,
>>>
>>> First time poster, long time lurker.
>>>
>>> I'm trying to create a lightweight tool for work that allows a user to
>>> enter a tracking number, and then be routed to that tracking number page.
>>> Since we use different shipping services, we have different tracking
>>> numbers, and it would be easier to enter the tracking number on one site as
>>> opposed to going to different sites.
>>>
>>> I'm currently using the camping framework to build it as Rails seems a
>>> bit too much to solve the problem. I'm planning on using regular expressions
>>> to determine what type of tracking number it is and route to the specific
>>> URL with the inputted tracking number interpolated as the tracking number
>>> value being GET'd. My question is, where would I put the logic for
>>> determining the type of tracking number? Since it's simply being routed do I
>>> put this in the controller, or do I need to create a model?
>>>
>>> Here's what I have so far:
>>>
>>> Camping.goes :Tracking
>>>
>>>
>>> module Tracking::Controllers
>>>
>>>   class Index < R '/'
>>>
>>>     def get
>>>
>>>       render :start
>>>
>>>     end
>>>
>>>   end
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   class Shipping
>>>
>>>     def get(tracking_number)
>>>
>>>       redirect "http://
>>> http://www.fedex.com/Tracking?language=english&cntry_code=us&tracknumbers=#{tracking_number}<http://www.fedex.com/Tracking?language=english&cntry_code=us&tracknumbers=#%7Btracking_number%7D>
>>> "
>>>
>>>     end
>>>
>>>   end
>>>
>>> end
>>>
>>>
>>> module Tracking::Views
>>>
>>>   def start
>>>
>>>     p "enter a tracking number"
>>>
>>>     form :action => R(Shipping), :method => :get do
>>>
>>>     input :type => "text", :name => "tracking number"
>>>
>>>     br
>>>
>>>     br
>>>
>>>     input :type => "submit", :value => "Track!"
>>>
>>>    end
>>>
>>>   end
>>>
>>> end
>>>
>>> Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>>>
>>
>>
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>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>>
>
>
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From jareds.lists at gmail.com  Thu Nov 11 16:08:37 2010
From: jareds.lists at gmail.com (Jared Richardson)
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 16:08:37 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Job Opening
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=bGRO8+YafBN5hJG9jCQomT_gyaBDKUokyQqoN@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

My employer has realized we have a need for a developer to build system
prototypes... and I think that person should be a Rubyist. :)

I had someone that I thought would be perfect, but he's not on the market,
but let me tell what experience I'd like (which was influenced by the person
I had in mind), and perhaps you can guide me differently. Just reply to me
directly.

The position calls for someone to create an api-accurate, tip-to-tip
"working" application. If you're familiar with tracer bullet software
development (as described in Ship It), that's the type of application this
would be. It all "works", but it's a walking skeleton (Allistair Cockburn's
term). We'll then fill in the app or translate (or others will translate) to
other languages, like C. I think we'll be able to introduce Ruby as a new
technology beyond just rapid development work, but that remains to be seen.

The applications tend to vary wildly in their hardware platforms, but do a
lot of similar work each time. We work with everything from racks of servers
to UAVs (small, unmanned airplanes), and everything in between.

A great deal of our work is in C and C++, both "normal" and embedded. The
person I had in mind had spent some time doing embedded work in the cell
phone industry. We're using a variety of technologies, including Tilera
boards, DSPs, and FPGAs. We're spinning up work with CUDA cards as well. If
you enjoy learning and tinkering with non x86 hardware, this position would
provide an opportunity to dig in where you've got an interest. (And of
course we've got plenty of x86 work as well.)

We also have a Java application server running in Tomcat. I have aspirations
of moving it to Sinatra, but that's another day. ;) So there's a place for
server side Java experience as well.

Our client software also runs the gamut. We've got existing applets,
installed Java clients, and we're building our first dotClient on a project
now.

I want someone who can be involved with our bidding process, then help to
bootstrap the application teams. The system prototype will be one that can
be used to understand what the entire application needs to do to meet our
contract criteria. There's lots of room for "minimum viable functionality"
as well as building on larger features, but I want to have the entire system
"running" much earlier than we do today. I believe we can have a
light-weight system up and running ~before~ we even bid a project using
Ruby. If we use Ruby for pieces of the system in production, so much the
better. Ruby also can pull in C code easily, so that's also an option. Have
Ruby run the entire application, then have C do the heavy lifting where
needed.

You'll learn about each area of our products and understand how it all fits
together. When you're not actively building out a prototype, we'll get you
plugged in on team that needs your skills and that you enjoy, but the
prototyping will be your first priority.

I'm working here to drive process (which is mostly Agile), so any experience
on that front would also be a welcome addition. My immediate focus for the
team is test automation.

Our work is mostly for the military, so you'd need to be a US citizen. We do
wide area persistent surveillance, so you'd get to know a great deal about
video imagery and how to process and store it. Our servers tend to sift
through a great deal of data, both stored and real time. That means you'll
work with medium to large scale computers and storage arrays.

Our website is a bit thin, but here it is if you'd like to browse.
http://www.logos-technologies.com/

We're located very near the Brier Creek mall in north Raleigh, right off of
540. Drop me a line if you're interested and we can discuss the position
further.

Jared
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http://www.logos-technologies.com/
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From chris.tonog at gmail.com  Fri Nov 12 10:12:16 2010
From: chris.tonog at gmail.com (chris tonog)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:12:16 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Routing question in Camping Framework
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik6D9rRyTwDR=c+dG8zmTPU5nb8GGX9ifO70Ak8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTin=EE+KKebkBGD6KprfzkOrZjO8+s+-G1JJocTm@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks Jimmy. I got a .1 version up, and tried to deploy it to heroku. In
case anyone is curious, I created a gist of the Sinatra script, nothing
really exciting.

https://gist.github.com/674193

Thanks for all the help everyone!

Chris

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Jimmy Thrasher <jimmy at jimmythrasher.com>wrote:

> Since you're using a form, if you had:
>
> get '/' do
>   #render your form here
> end
>
> get '/s' do
>   #get form params through the params variable here, probably
> end
>
> And your form could GET '/s'
>
> Jimmy
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 10:47 AM, chris tonog <chris.tonog at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi TJ,
>>
>> I did try Sinatra (it was my first choice), but I didn't know how to
>> incorporate routing logic (if the string inputted is in a certain format,
>> route to this URL) as it wasn't what I was used to (MVC). Camping was MVC,
>> except without the extra stuff Rails comes with. I'll take another look at
>> it though.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 12:00 AM, TJ Stankus <tj at stank.us> wrote:
>>
>>> Have you considered Sinatra? It's probably the best supported of the Ruby
>>> micro web frameworks.
>>>
>>> -TJ
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 11:24 AM, chris tonog <chris.tonog at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi there,
>>>>
>>>> First time poster, long time lurker.
>>>>
>>>> I'm trying to create a lightweight tool for work that allows a user to
>>>> enter a tracking number, and then be routed to that tracking number page.
>>>> Since we use different shipping services, we have different tracking
>>>> numbers, and it would be easier to enter the tracking number on one site as
>>>> opposed to going to different sites.
>>>>
>>>> I'm currently using the camping framework to build it as Rails seems a
>>>> bit too much to solve the problem. I'm planning on using regular expressions
>>>> to determine what type of tracking number it is and route to the specific
>>>> URL with the inputted tracking number interpolated as the tracking number
>>>> value being GET'd. My question is, where would I put the logic for
>>>> determining the type of tracking number? Since it's simply being routed do I
>>>> put this in the controller, or do I need to create a model?
>>>>
>>>> Here's what I have so far:
>>>>
>>>> Camping.goes :Tracking
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> module Tracking::Controllers
>>>>
>>>>   class Index < R '/'
>>>>
>>>>     def get
>>>>
>>>>       render :start
>>>>
>>>>     end
>>>>
>>>>   end
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   class Shipping
>>>>
>>>>     def get(tracking_number)
>>>>
>>>>       redirect "http://
>>>> http://www.fedex.com/Tracking?language=english&cntry_code=us&tracknumbers=#{tracking_number}<http://www.fedex.com/Tracking?language=english&cntry_code=us&tracknumbers=#%7Btracking_number%7D>
>>>> "
>>>>
>>>>     end
>>>>
>>>>   end
>>>>
>>>> end
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> module Tracking::Views
>>>>
>>>>   def start
>>>>
>>>>     p "enter a tracking number"
>>>>
>>>>     form :action => R(Shipping), :method => :get do
>>>>
>>>>     input :type => "text", :name => "tracking number"
>>>>
>>>>     br
>>>>
>>>>     br
>>>>
>>>>     input :type => "submit", :value => "Track!"
>>>>
>>>>    end
>>>>
>>>>   end
>>>>
>>>> end
>>>>
>>>> Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>>>
>>
>>
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>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
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From rick.denatale at gmail.com  Fri Nov 12 17:23:43 2010
From: rick.denatale at gmail.com (Rick DeNatale)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:23:43 -0600
Subject: [raleigh.rb] RedHat moving?
Message-ID: <AANLkTimAiSaQrijE49TJfSYFQyc0wUM4WPrDDiokYFjN@mail.gmail.com>

The wifi at RubyConf finally opened up enough for me to catch up on
some RSS feeds and I ran across this.

http://localtechwire.com/business/local_tech_wire/opinion/blogpost/8613130/

-- 
Rick DeNatale

Help fund my talk at Ruby Conf 2010:http://pledgie.com/campaigns/13677
Blog: http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/
Github: http://github.com/rubyredrick
Twitter: @RickDeNatale
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LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rickdenatale

From mark at imbriaco.com  Sun Nov 14 23:06:49 2010
From: mark at imbriaco.com (Mark Imbriaco)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 23:06:49 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] OT FS: MacBook Pro 15" / i7 / 8GB / 120GB SSD + 500GB
	SATA - $2500
Message-ID: <AANLkTimGh6qjmAmtPLJYyNeU5ZWjrEu_8TB0CqVNkkSK@mail.gmail.com>

Please pardon the off-topic post, but I wanted to throw this out to
the list before I hit Craigslist or eBay.

I am looking to sell my 15" MacBook Pro. This is a pretty new 2010
model that was purchased on June 1, 2010. I've upgraded it with a OWC
Mercury Extreme Pro SSD
(http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20World%20Computing/SSDMX120/).
I also added an Optibay enclosure that replaces the internal DVD drive
with the 500GB 5400 RPM SATA drive. The DVD drive has been moved to an
external USB enclosure.

This is a fantastic laptop. I'm only getting rid of it because I
replaced it with an 11" MacBook Air. I have a Mac Pro that i use for
my primary work computer so I didn't need the horsepower of the MBP
for my portable needs.

Specifications:

MacBook Pro 15.4"
2.66 GHz Core i7 Processor
High Resolution (1680x1050) Matte Display
8GB RAM
500GB SATA drive (In Optibay)
120GB SSD drive (OWC Mercury Extreme Pro)
SuperDrive in external USB enclosure

The current retail price for the machine without the SSD is $2749.00.
The Optibay adapter and external SuperDrive enclosure was $100. The
OWC Mercury Extreme Pro SSD drive lists for $249.00. Overall, that's
$3,100 at today's prices. I'm looking to get $2,500 for it.

Email mark at imbriaco.com if you're interested.

From donald.ball at gmail.com  Mon Nov 15 11:32:09 2010
From: donald.ball at gmail.com (Donald Ball)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 10:32:09 -0600
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Curious problem with rake
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=R4KiWRvgC2cHtmNs=4nLtGEbsf_nEEBM_bMQp@mail.gmail.com>

Hey folks, I've run into an odd problem with rake and am wondering if
anyone can help suggest a fruitful path for debugging. I posted the
full description on stackoverflow:

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4186086/rake-task-which-executes-other-rake-tasks-via-system-fails-no-such-file-to-loa

I'll confess that I seem to have hit a brick wall, and am now digging
into rake's source code for inspiration, but feel that I must have
overlooked something absurdly simple. Anyone have any ideas?

- donald

From davidbogus at gmail.com  Mon Nov 15 11:58:12 2010
From: davidbogus at gmail.com (David Bogus)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:58:12 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Curious problem with rake
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=R4KiWRvgC2cHtmNs=4nLtGEbsf_nEEBM_bMQp@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=R4KiWRvgC2cHtmNs=4nLtGEbsf_nEEBM_bMQp@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinHKwv28S=jggorBZ4f2n+9DvDswxLdHr4BH0w_@mail.gmail.com>

Look at your environment variables. I once had a similar problem by
using RUBY_GEM vs RUBY_GEMS or something like that.


On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Donald Ball <donald.ball at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey folks, I've run into an odd problem with rake and am wondering if
> anyone can help suggest a fruitful path for debugging. I posted the
> full description on stackoverflow:
>
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4186086/rake-task-which-executes-other-rake-tasks-via-system-fails-no-such-file-to-loa
>
> I'll confess that I seem to have hit a brick wall, and am now digging
> into rake's source code for inspiration, but feel that I must have
> overlooked something absurdly simple. Anyone have any ideas?
>
> - donald
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>



-- 
Dave's Definitions: Morning, is after I've slept for more than four
hours. Lunch is the second meal of the day no matter the hour of
consumption. A long drive is one longer then you have last slept.
Ineffable, if you don't understand I couldn't possibly explain it.

From davidbogus at gmail.com  Mon Nov 15 12:06:36 2010
From: davidbogus at gmail.com (David Bogus)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 12:06:36 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Curious problem with rake
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinHKwv28S=jggorBZ4f2n+9DvDswxLdHr4BH0w_@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=R4KiWRvgC2cHtmNs=4nLtGEbsf_nEEBM_bMQp@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinHKwv28S=jggorBZ4f2n+9DvDswxLdHr4BH0w_@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim5VHrADYty8xxzsCUcgEEbTJyJB6kAbewWzxKV@mail.gmail.com>

more details ....

Check to make sure your install has set up the required environment
variables correctly.
 http://docs.rubygems.org/read/chapter/3

The same problem occurred for me when using "export RUBYOPT=RUBYGEM"
instead of "export RUBYOPT=RUBYGEMS".

 Ahh the difference a single character can make.



On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 11:58 AM, David Bogus <davidbogus at gmail.com> wrote:
> Look at your environment variables. I once had a similar problem by
> using RUBY_GEM vs RUBY_GEMS or something like that.
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Donald Ball <donald.ball at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hey folks, I've run into an odd problem with rake and am wondering if
>> anyone can help suggest a fruitful path for debugging. I posted the
>> full description on stackoverflow:
>>
>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4186086/rake-task-which-executes-other-rake-tasks-via-system-fails-no-such-file-to-loa
>>
>> I'll confess that I seem to have hit a brick wall, and am now digging
>> into rake's source code for inspiration, but feel that I must have
>> overlooked something absurdly simple. Anyone have any ideas?
>>
>> - donald
>> _______________________________________________
>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Dave's Definitions: Morning, is after I've slept for more than four
> hours. Lunch is the second meal of the day no matter the hour of
> consumption. A long drive is one longer then you have last slept.
> Ineffable, if you don't understand I couldn't possibly explain it.
>



-- 
Dave's Definitions: Morning, is after I've slept for more than four
hours. Lunch is the second meal of the day no matter the hour of
consumption. A long drive is one longer then you have last slept.
Ineffable, if you don't understand I couldn't possibly explain it.

From nathaniel at talbott.ws  Tue Nov 16 15:13:38 2010
From: nathaniel at talbott.ws (Nathaniel Talbott)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 15:13:38 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Pre-Meeting Chow
Message-ID: <AANLkTik6Uub90hTcTgaJ_Y2J_mzbeRDDNGQva7YWLaR-@mail.gmail.com>

Chow is at Neomonde again this month:

 http://bit.ly/b6VMfh
 http://www.neomonde.com/home/

I'll be there around 5:30 - would love to have anyone and everyone
join us to chat a bit and unwind before heading over to Red Hat for
the meeting proper.

See you there!


-- 
Nathaniel Talbott
<:((><

From fatcatt316 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 17 21:34:11 2010
From: fatcatt316 at yahoo.com (Joe Peck)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 18:34:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Dell Inspiron Laptop for sale
Message-ID: <152678.81607.qm@web65709.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

I'm posting this for sale on Craigslist too, but figured I'd see if anyone on 
here wants it.

This is a Dell Inspiron 4100.  It has 37GB of hard drive space and has a clean 
installation of Windows XP.  It's in great condition, with the minor exception 
of its screen, which doesn't turn on at all.  Works perfectly if it's connected 
to an external monitor.

$20 OBO; I can meet you anywhere between Garner and Durham, just let me know if 
you want it.

Joe
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From tj at stank.us  Thu Nov 18 11:41:04 2010
From: tj at stank.us (TJ Stankus)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 11:41:04 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Rails job
Message-ID: <AANLkTinh04nOGeub383YOqotzneRyJRs+bK7UKbKdDn6@mail.gmail.com>

Just thought I'd pass this along. It's a company based out of New
York. A friend of mine is involved and recommends them as a good
company. It seems like they're looking for someone experienced with
web development, OO programming, and Unix, but not necessarily Rails
expertise. It could be a good opportunity for someone experienced
looking to make the jump to Rails, as well as seasoned Rails devs.

I'll add this - I gave them some feedback about the job listing and
they were responsive and actually made some changes. So, they seem
both responsive and clueful. Good signs.

http://www.salescrunch.com/rails-engineer

-TJ

From donald.ball at gmail.com  Thu Nov 18 11:56:36 2010
From: donald.ball at gmail.com (Donald Ball)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 11:56:36 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Rails job
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinh04nOGeub383YOqotzneRyJRs+bK7UKbKdDn6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinh04nOGeub383YOqotzneRyJRs+bK7UKbKdDn6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikwbZ21hgUW1TzGRhjXS5ZS17dHLEugm1Ne9DrQ@mail.gmail.com>

I used to work with two of their developers at a previous rails
startup, and can recommend them as very friendly and knowledgeable
fellows.

- donald

From bryan.kearney at gmail.com  Thu Nov 18 15:32:12 2010
From: bryan.kearney at gmail.com (Bryan Kearney)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 15:32:12 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Red Hat is looking for Rails folks
Message-ID: <4CE58D4C.4090907@gmail.com>

All:

Just wanted to point out that we have several rails openings at Red Hat. 
If you look at [1], the three North American jobs can be Raleigh or WFH.

FTE only, no contractors or head hunters please.

-- bk

[1] http://bit.ly/cF2UxU

From rick.denatale at gmail.com  Sat Nov 20 10:33:16 2010
From: rick.denatale at gmail.com (Rick DeNatale)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 10:33:16 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Trying to rationalize my MBP development environment.
Message-ID: <AANLkTimbtgTYM=c4ZxfvH+_nTqJwTCAhrKFhLMZZF+ZE@mail.gmail.com>

I'm thinking that I need to get the tools on my MBP in better shape.

I currently have a mix of stuff installed various ways, mapports,
homebrew, git is installed using the google installer, and mysql via
the dmg from the mysql site.

That last caused some issues lately and triggered my quest to
straighten things out.

I'd not needed mysql for a few months (the rails projects I've been
working on have been using pg). I started a new project the other day
with the client wanting mysql.  That's when I found that my mysql
installation had somehow been broken when I reinstalled OS X from
scratch to fix a kernel panic issue.

I had lots of trials trying to get a working mysql using the
'official' mysql community dmg.  I went from mysql not running at all
due to file system permissions problems, to having a 'working' version
which didn't seem to have any users with database create authority,
and finally to a working version after a series of reinstalls after
moving existing directories out of the way.

So now I think I want to try to get as much of this stuff installed
using brew as makes sense.

But

I'm not sure what's the best way to get there from here.

Anyone have any advice on things like:

  Is there an easy way to uninstall my port installed tools and
reinstall the same ones with brew?  or ensure that those tools are
installable via brew?

  What's up with the advice I see on some of the brew installation
blog posts to chown the mysql directories to mysql:mysql?  That's
sticking out because the mysql community package uses _mysql:_mysql

  Should I reinstall git with brew or continue to use the google installer.

-- 
Rick DeNatale

Blog: http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/
Github: http://github.com/rubyredrick
Twitter: @RickDeNatale
WWR: http://www.workingwithrails.com/person/9021-rick-denatale
LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rickdenatale

From adam at thewilliams.ws  Sat Nov 20 11:35:18 2010
From: adam at thewilliams.ws (Adam Williams)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 11:35:18 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Trying to rationalize my MBP development
	environment.
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimbtgTYM=c4ZxfvH+_nTqJwTCAhrKFhLMZZF+ZE@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimbtgTYM=c4ZxfvH+_nTqJwTCAhrKFhLMZZF+ZE@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F62ED7B1-4447-4CA4-9F21-E8AF6F1D1A7E@thewilliams.ws>

Here is the basic approach I've taken, and I'm in love with:

  [remove MacPorts]
  # Don't worry if this one fails..
  sudo port -f uninstall installed

  sudo rm -rf \
      /opt/local \
      /Applications/DarwinPorts \
      /Applications/MacPorts \
      /Library/LaunchDaemons/org.macports.* \
      /Library/Receipts/DarwinPorts*.pkg \
      /Library/Receipts/MacPorts*.pkg \
      /Library/StartupItems/DarwinPortsStartup \
      /Library/Tcl/darwinports1.0 \
      /Library/Tcl/macports1.0 \
      ~/.macports
      
  [install homebrew]
  http://github.com/mxcl/homebrew
    - Follow the 'Quick Install to /usr/local' instructions.
    - Please, just put your user into the staff group as they instruct.
  brew install git
  brew update
  brew install wget

  [install mysql database]
  brew install mysql
    - Be sure to read the instructions on the terminal after this installs!!

  [install postgres database]
  brew install postgresql
  # We need a role in our Postgresql cluster
  createuser --no-superuser --no-createrole --createdb --echo tapquake
  
  [install rvm]
    - http://rvm.beginrescueend.com/rvm/install/
    - Please, use the 'GitHub Repository (recommended)' way
    - Be sure to read the instructions on your terminal after the script as run
  rvm reload

  # ~/.rvmrc should have:
  rvm_project_rvmrc=1

  [create rvm environment for application]
  rvm install 1.8.7
  rvm gemset create 1.8.7 at appname

  git clone app
  cd app
  <trust the .rvmrc>
  bundle install


Of course, you'll need your project .rvmrc to include the 'rvm 1.8.7 at appname' declaration in it. I'm presently using Nginx with Unicorn so I can have http://appname.dev. I'm seriously considering moving to Passenger 3.0, though.

  brew install nginx
  cp config/nginx.conf.example /usr/local/etc/nginx/nginx.conf [1]
  <modify all <APPROOT> to point to your project root (/Users/aiwilliams/Workspaces/application, for instance)>
    - You MAY need to add another configuration directive to the nginx.conf if you get a 403 Forbidden:
      user <yourusername> <yourgroup>;
      For example, mine is 'user aiwilliams staff;'
  [add line to /etc/hosts]
  127.0.0.1 appname.dev

  [RUNNING THE APPLICATION]
  sudo nginx (you can stop it whenever using 'sudo nginx -s stop')
  unicorn -c config/unicorn.rb [2]
  visit the app at http://appname.dev
    - please note, if you reboot your computer, you will need to start nginx
    - anytime you want to work on the application, you will need to run the unicorn command (I need to spend time on this)


Re: rvm - I have removed ALL gems from my system install, and I use gemsets, with only rake and bundler in the global gemset of an rvm ruby.

FWIW, HTH, YMMV, etc.

[1] https://gist.github.com/707940
[2] https://gist.github.com/707942

On Nov 20, 2010, at 10:33 AM, Rick DeNatale wrote:

> I'm thinking that I need to get the tools on my MBP in better shape.
> 
> I currently have a mix of stuff installed various ways, mapports,
> homebrew, git is installed using the google installer, and mysql via
> the dmg from the mysql site.
> 
> That last caused some issues lately and triggered my quest to
> straighten things out.
> 
> I'd not needed mysql for a few months (the rails projects I've been
> working on have been using pg). I started a new project the other day
> with the client wanting mysql.  That's when I found that my mysql
> installation had somehow been broken when I reinstalled OS X from
> scratch to fix a kernel panic issue.
> 
> I had lots of trials trying to get a working mysql using the
> 'official' mysql community dmg.  I went from mysql not running at all
> due to file system permissions problems, to having a 'working' version
> which didn't seem to have any users with database create authority,
> and finally to a working version after a series of reinstalls after
> moving existing directories out of the way.
> 
> So now I think I want to try to get as much of this stuff installed
> using brew as makes sense.
> 
> But
> 
> I'm not sure what's the best way to get there from here.
> 
> Anyone have any advice on things like:
> 
>  Is there an easy way to uninstall my port installed tools and
> reinstall the same ones with brew?  or ensure that those tools are
> installable via brew?
> 
>  What's up with the advice I see on some of the brew installation
> blog posts to chown the mysql directories to mysql:mysql?  That's
> sticking out because the mysql community package uses _mysql:_mysql
> 
>  Should I reinstall git with brew or continue to use the google installer.
> 
> -- 
> Rick DeNatale
> 
> Blog: http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/
> Github: http://github.com/rubyredrick
> Twitter: @RickDeNatale
> WWR: http://www.workingwithrails.com/person/9021-rick-denatale
> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rickdenatale
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members


From brentmc79 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 20 11:52:49 2010
From: brentmc79 at gmail.com (Brent Collier)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 11:52:49 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Trying to rationalize my MBP development
	environment.
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimbtgTYM=c4ZxfvH+_nTqJwTCAhrKFhLMZZF+ZE@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimbtgTYM=c4ZxfvH+_nTqJwTCAhrKFhLMZZF+ZE@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <18A402C6-EE9F-4FA6-BDD3-0F4D8B88A6DB@gmail.com>

If it were me, I'd wipe the whole thing, reinstall OSX and then install everything with homebrew. I have yet to run into a tool I needed that couldn't be installed with brew. 

In fact, I'm about to do the same with my dev machine as I usually like to do it about once a year just to keep everything fresh. 

Brent Collier
(919) 564-6915

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 20, 2010, at 10:33 AM, Rick DeNatale <rick.denatale at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm thinking that I need to get the tools on my MBP in better shape.
> 
> I currently have a mix of stuff installed various ways, mapports,
> homebrew, git is installed using the google installer, and mysql via
> the dmg from the mysql site.
> 
> That last caused some issues lately and triggered my quest to
> straighten things out.
> 
> I'd not needed mysql for a few months (the rails projects I've been
> working on have been using pg). I started a new project the other day
> with the client wanting mysql.  That's when I found that my mysql
> installation had somehow been broken when I reinstalled OS X from
> scratch to fix a kernel panic issue.
> 
> I had lots of trials trying to get a working mysql using the
> 'official' mysql community dmg.  I went from mysql not running at all
> due to file system permissions problems, to having a 'working' version
> which didn't seem to have any users with database create authority,
> and finally to a working version after a series of reinstalls after
> moving existing directories out of the way.
> 
> So now I think I want to try to get as much of this stuff installed
> using brew as makes sense.
> 
> But
> 
> I'm not sure what's the best way to get there from here.
> 
> Anyone have any advice on things like:
> 
>  Is there an easy way to uninstall my port installed tools and
> reinstall the same ones with brew?  or ensure that those tools are
> installable via brew?
> 
>  What's up with the advice I see on some of the brew installation
> blog posts to chown the mysql directories to mysql:mysql?  That's
> sticking out because the mysql community package uses _mysql:_mysql
> 
>  Should I reinstall git with brew or continue to use the google installer.
> 
> -- 
> Rick DeNatale
> 
> Blog: http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/
> Github: http://github.com/rubyredrick
> Twitter: @RickDeNatale
> WWR: http://www.workingwithrails.com/person/9021-rick-denatale
> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rickdenatale
> _______________________________________________
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From rick.denatale at gmail.com  Sat Nov 20 12:32:42 2010
From: rick.denatale at gmail.com (Rick DeNatale)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 12:32:42 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Trying to rationalize my MBP development
	environment.
In-Reply-To: <F62ED7B1-4447-4CA4-9F21-E8AF6F1D1A7E@thewilliams.ws>
References: <AANLkTimbtgTYM=c4ZxfvH+_nTqJwTCAhrKFhLMZZF+ZE@mail.gmail.com>
	<F62ED7B1-4447-4CA4-9F21-E8AF6F1D1A7E@thewilliams.ws>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinCP589H_NT4x5CEsYVOt4O6vrJJbM595nuWwoq@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks,

I was already going down a path like this, figuring I've got things
backed up to time machine...

One complication might be that I'm already using rvm and gemsets
extensively and figure I might have to re-install some gems with
extensions after the ground shifts out from under them.


On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Adam Williams <adam at thewilliams.ws> wrote:
> Here is the basic approach I've taken, and I'm in love with:
>
> ?[remove MacPorts]
> ?# Don't worry if this one fails..
> ?sudo port -f uninstall installed
>
> ?sudo rm -rf \
> ? ? ?/opt/local \
> ? ? ?/Applications/DarwinPorts \
> ? ? ?/Applications/MacPorts \
> ? ? ?/Library/LaunchDaemons/org.macports.* \
> ? ? ?/Library/Receipts/DarwinPorts*.pkg \
> ? ? ?/Library/Receipts/MacPorts*.pkg \
> ? ? ?/Library/StartupItems/DarwinPortsStartup \
> ? ? ?/Library/Tcl/darwinports1.0 \
> ? ? ?/Library/Tcl/macports1.0 \
> ? ? ?~/.macports
>
> ?[install homebrew]
> ?http://github.com/mxcl/homebrew
> ? ?- Follow the 'Quick Install to /usr/local' instructions.
> ? ?- Please, just put your user into the staff group as they instruct.
> ?brew install git
> ?brew update
> ?brew install wget
>
> ?[install mysql database]
> ?brew install mysql
> ? ?- Be sure to read the instructions on the terminal after this installs!!
>
> ?[install postgres database]
> ?brew install postgresql
> ?# We need a role in our Postgresql cluster
> ?createuser --no-superuser --no-createrole --createdb --echo tapquake
>
> ?[install rvm]
> ? ?- http://rvm.beginrescueend.com/rvm/install/
> ? ?- Please, use the 'GitHub Repository (recommended)' way
> ? ?- Be sure to read the instructions on your terminal after the script as run
> ?rvm reload
>
> ?# ~/.rvmrc should have:
> ?rvm_project_rvmrc=1
>
> ?[create rvm environment for application]
> ?rvm install 1.8.7
> ?rvm gemset create 1.8.7 at appname
>
> ?git clone app
> ?cd app
> ?<trust the .rvmrc>
> ?bundle install
>
>
> Of course, you'll need your project .rvmrc to include the 'rvm 1.8.7 at appname' declaration in it. I'm presently using Nginx with Unicorn so I can have http://appname.dev. I'm seriously considering moving to Passenger 3.0, though.
>
> ?brew install nginx
> ?cp config/nginx.conf.example /usr/local/etc/nginx/nginx.conf [1]
> ?<modify all <APPROOT> to point to your project root (/Users/aiwilliams/Workspaces/application, for instance)>
> ? ?- You MAY need to add another configuration directive to the nginx.conf if you get a 403 Forbidden:
> ? ? ?user <yourusername> <yourgroup>;
> ? ? ?For example, mine is 'user aiwilliams staff;'
> ?[add line to /etc/hosts]
> ?127.0.0.1 appname.dev
>
> ?[RUNNING THE APPLICATION]
> ?sudo nginx (you can stop it whenever using 'sudo nginx -s stop')
> ?unicorn -c config/unicorn.rb [2]
> ?visit the app at http://appname.dev
> ? ?- please note, if you reboot your computer, you will need to start nginx
> ? ?- anytime you want to work on the application, you will need to run the unicorn command (I need to spend time on this)
>
>
> Re: rvm - I have removed ALL gems from my system install, and I use gemsets, with only rake and bundler in the global gemset of an rvm ruby.
>
> FWIW, HTH, YMMV, etc.
>
> [1] https://gist.github.com/707940
> [2] https://gist.github.com/707942
>
> On Nov 20, 2010, at 10:33 AM, Rick DeNatale wrote:
>
>> I'm thinking that I need to get the tools on my MBP in better shape.
>>
>> I currently have a mix of stuff installed various ways, mapports,
>> homebrew, git is installed using the google installer, and mysql via
>> the dmg from the mysql site.
>>
>> That last caused some issues lately and triggered my quest to
>> straighten things out.
>>
>> I'd not needed mysql for a few months (the rails projects I've been
>> working on have been using pg). I started a new project the other day
>> with the client wanting mysql. ?That's when I found that my mysql
>> installation had somehow been broken when I reinstalled OS X from
>> scratch to fix a kernel panic issue.
>>
>> I had lots of trials trying to get a working mysql using the
>> 'official' mysql community dmg. ?I went from mysql not running at all
>> due to file system permissions problems, to having a 'working' version
>> which didn't seem to have any users with database create authority,
>> and finally to a working version after a series of reinstalls after
>> moving existing directories out of the way.
>>
>> So now I think I want to try to get as much of this stuff installed
>> using brew as makes sense.
>>
>> But
>>
>> I'm not sure what's the best way to get there from here.
>>
>> Anyone have any advice on things like:
>>
>> ?Is there an easy way to uninstall my port installed tools and
>> reinstall the same ones with brew? ?or ensure that those tools are
>> installable via brew?
>>
>> ?What's up with the advice I see on some of the brew installation
>> blog posts to chown the mysql directories to mysql:mysql? ?That's
>> sticking out because the mysql community package uses _mysql:_mysql
>>
>> ?Should I reinstall git with brew or continue to use the google installer.
>>
>> --
>> Rick DeNatale
>>
>> Blog: http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/
>> Github: http://github.com/rubyredrick
>> Twitter: @RickDeNatale
>> WWR: http://www.workingwithrails.com/person/9021-rick-denatale
>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rickdenatale
>> _______________________________________________
>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>



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LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rickdenatale

From sumbach at gmail.com  Sat Nov 20 12:13:37 2010
From: sumbach at gmail.com (Sam Umbach)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 12:13:37 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Trying to rationalize my MBP development
	environment.
In-Reply-To: <F62ED7B1-4447-4CA4-9F21-E8AF6F1D1A7E@thewilliams.ws>
References: <AANLkTimbtgTYM=c4ZxfvH+_nTqJwTCAhrKFhLMZZF+ZE@mail.gmail.com>
	<F62ED7B1-4447-4CA4-9F21-E8AF6F1D1A7E@thewilliams.ws>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=5KBen7R_Pg3QdB2w09+PQWxZ-Tr7cg-aq31a=@mail.gmail.com>

> ?# ~/.rvmrc should have:
> ?rvm_project_rvmrc=1
>
> ?[create rvm environment for application]
> ?rvm install 1.8.7
> ?rvm gemset create 1.8.7 at appname
>
> ?git clone app
> ?cd app
> ?<trust the .rvmrc>
> ?bundle install
>
>
> Of course, you'll need your project .rvmrc to include the 'rvm 1.8.7 at appname' declaration in it. I'm presently using Nginx with Unicorn so I can have http://appname.dev. I'm seriously considering moving to Passenger 3.0, though.

I recently discovered the rvm_gemset_create_on_use_flag option.  If
you add "rvm_gemset_create_on_use_flag=1" to $HOME/.rvmrc, rvm
automatically creates gemsets on first use.  After setting this
option, you can just add "rvm 1.8.7 at appname" to your project .rvmrc
and the gemset will be created the first time you change to the app's
directory.  It's particularly helpful if your entire team sets this
option so everyone will be using the same gemsets.

-Sam

From info at lojic.com  Mon Nov 22 10:35:40 2010
From: info at lojic.com (Brian Adkins)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 10:35:40 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] OSX Server
Message-ID: <BC50D257-030E-4558-B983-05811BFDAA4A@lojic.com>

I'm considering deploying an application on either a Mac mini or Mac  
mini server. The computer will be located at the client's office, and  
I think there may be some advantages over a linux server. I've never  
deployed a production app on OSX though, so I'm curious if anyone has,  
and if so, what your experience has been.

I expect I would install OSX and the app on an external RAID disk  
system to avoid having to deal with replacing an internal disk after a  
disk failure. That would allow using time machine to backup the RAID  
disk to the internal drive.

Disk performance is crucial for this application, so I'm not sure how  
a firewire disk array would compare with internal drives. I'm hoping I  
can get 10K rpm drives for the RAID.

Thanks,
Brian

--
Brian Adkins
Lojic Technologies, LLC
http://lojic.com/





From otto.hammersmith at gmail.com  Mon Nov 22 11:54:09 2010
From: otto.hammersmith at gmail.com (Otto Hammersmith)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 11:54:09 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] OSX Server
In-Reply-To: <BC50D257-030E-4558-B983-05811BFDAA4A@lojic.com>
References: <BC50D257-030E-4558-B983-05811BFDAA4A@lojic.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikAiY93g3Kh0Jfk8NexLp8CAFh3Kk2hBOfSJkAm@mail.gmail.com>

I just bought a Mac mini server, but haven't gotten to put all the tools &
software through it's paces. I'm moving towards deploying portable home
folders so machines are as close to interchangeable as possible.

>From what I've read, on the Mac mini server, an external FireWire drive
actually gets better performance (FW800) than the internal 7200 RPM disks.
 I would imagine a FW800 RAID array with 10k RPM drives that could be a more
efficient configuration than straight mirroring would be pretty spiffy fast.

Also, replacing an internal disk is a huge effort, so I wouldn't bother
RAIDing the internal disks.  You're not going to be able to hot swap in a
quick fashion and they're laptop drives, anyway.

On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Brian Adkins <info at lojic.com> wrote:

> I'm considering deploying an application on either a Mac mini or Mac mini
> server. The computer will be located at the client's office, and I think
> there may be some advantages over a linux server. I've never deployed a
> production app on OSX though, so I'm curious if anyone has, and if so, what
> your experience has been.
>
> I expect I would install OSX and the app on an external RAID disk system to
> avoid having to deal with replacing an internal disk after a disk failure.
> That would allow using time machine to backup the RAID disk to the internal
> drive.
>
> Disk performance is crucial for this application, so I'm not sure how a
> firewire disk array would compare with internal drives. I'm hoping I can get
> 10K rpm drives for the RAID.
>
> Thanks,
> Brian
>
> --
> Brian Adkins
> Lojic Technologies, LLC
> http://lojic.com/
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
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From jareds.lists at gmail.com  Mon Nov 22 11:50:52 2010
From: jareds.lists at gmail.com (Jared Richardson)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 11:50:52 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] OSX Server
In-Reply-To: <BC50D257-030E-4558-B983-05811BFDAA4A@lojic.com>
References: <BC50D257-030E-4558-B983-05811BFDAA4A@lojic.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimuCUoE7F7Ge5sqGEyhbNh+JyPbXxbTZ6ujmANZ@mail.gmail.com>

Just a few thoughts...

I find that service oriented work takes me much longer in OS X than Linux
because things are ~just~ different enough. If you don't know server side OS
X that well, find someone that does.

You don't have to install the OS on the same disk as the data. In fact,
you'll get a nice boost by not doing that.

Are SSDs an option? If you're disk bound and can possibly put in a raid of
SSDs, it might change the game.

If you need so much disk space that SSDs aren't an option, you might have
trouble setting up a big enough disk to do Time Machine backups of your raid
array.

Finally, if you're putting together an affordable solution, I recently did
some research on the 7,200 RPM throughput. The Western Digital Black 2 TB
disks (w/64 megs of cache) had the best performance of any disk short of the
costly 10k or 15k RPM disks.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136456&nm_mc=OTC-Froogle&cm_mmc=OTC-Froogle-_-Hard+Drives-_-Western+Digital-_-22136456

<http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136456&nm_mc=OTC-Froogle&cm_mmc=OTC-Froogle-_-Hard+Drives-_-Western+Digital-_-22136456>
Jared
http://AgileArtisans.com


On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Brian Adkins <info at lojic.com> wrote:

> I'm considering deploying an application on either a Mac mini or Mac mini
> server. The computer will be located at the client's office, and I think
> there may be some advantages over a linux server. I've never deployed a
> production app on OSX though, so I'm curious if anyone has, and if so, what
> your experience has been.
>
> I expect I would install OSX and the app on an external RAID disk system to
> avoid having to deal with replacing an internal disk after a disk failure.
> That would allow using time machine to backup the RAID disk to the internal
> drive.
>
> Disk performance is crucial for this application, so I'm not sure how a
> firewire disk array would compare with internal drives. I'm hoping I can get
> 10K rpm drives for the RAID.
>
> Thanks,
> Brian
>
> --
> Brian Adkins
> Lojic Technologies, LLC
> http://lojic.com/
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>
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From nathaniel at talbott.ws  Mon Nov 22 13:10:22 2010
From: nathaniel at talbott.ws (Nathaniel Talbott)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 13:10:22 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Raleigh.rb Location Search
Message-ID: <AANLkTinZzN6tjUBqcgNe2KhbyeRko7VzH=eeSSQqi2rm@mail.gmail.com>

Fellow Rubyists,

Raleigh.rb has been happily having our regular meetings at Red Hat for
the past few years, and many thanks to them for hosting us. That said,
our sponsor/host at Red Hat isn't going to be available anymore come
January, so we're on the hunt for a new location for our regular
meetings.

The basic requirements are:

- ability to comfortably seat 60 people (typical turnout is averages
30, but we do spike up to double that)
- solid projection setup
- straightforward (preferably free) parking arrangement
- proximity to one of the major RTP arteries - I-40, I-540, I-440

We can be flexible on some of this, so if you have a location that may
or may not work, go ahead and drop me a line and we can chat about it.
We may be able to have our December Book Exchange (just scheduled -
check it out!) at Red Hat, but I'd rather go ahead and get a
replacement location identified and have it there.

Benefits to the host include:

- listing as a sponsor on the Raleigh.rb Meetup site
- easy access to the #1 NC Ruby group (actually one of the oldest and
largest in the country)
- regular exposure to 400+ local Rubyists

If you have a potential spot drop me a line directly, or reply here on
the list - thanks!


-- 
Nathaniel Talbott
<:((><

From info at lojic.com  Mon Nov 22 14:53:11 2010
From: info at lojic.com (Brian Adkins)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 14:53:11 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] OSX Server
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimuCUoE7F7Ge5sqGEyhbNh+JyPbXxbTZ6ujmANZ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BC50D257-030E-4558-B983-05811BFDAA4A@lojic.com>
	<AANLkTimuCUoE7F7Ge5sqGEyhbNh+JyPbXxbTZ6ujmANZ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3C0047B4-67C4-46F0-83D9-A2FE450DA105@lojic.com>

Thanks for the tip on SSDs - I hadn't even considered that. They'd be  
of sufficient size, but I'm not sure about the budget in this  
particular case :)

Re: installing the OS on the RAID - the idea wasn't for performance,  
but to minimize downtime in the event of a disk failure. Replacing an  
internal disk on a Mac mini is more difficult than swapping out an  
external RAID array, so I'd use the internal drive for the time  
machine backup initially.

I agree I'd probably burn a bit more time on sysadmin on OSX than the  
Ubuntu I'm familiar with. What concerns me most though is the client  
being a guinea pig since this would be my first OSX deployment, and I  
don't know anyone with a success story :)

On Nov 22, 2010, at 11:50 AM, Jared Richardson wrote:

> Just a few thoughts...
>
> I find that service oriented work takes me much longer in OS X than  
> Linux because things are ~just~ different enough. If you don't know  
> server side OS X that well, find someone that does.
>
> You don't have to install the OS on the same disk as the data. In  
> fact, you'll get a nice boost by not doing that.
>
> Are SSDs an option? If you're disk bound and can possibly put in a  
> raid of SSDs, it might change the game.
>
> If you need so much disk space that SSDs aren't an option, you might  
> have trouble setting up a big enough disk to do Time Machine backups  
> of your raid array.
>
> Finally, if you're putting together an affordable solution, I  
> recently did some research on the 7,200 RPM throughput. The Western  
> Digital Black 2 TB disks (w/64 megs of cache) had the best  
> performance of any disk short of the costly 10k or 15k RPM disks.
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136456&nm_mc=OTC-Froogle&cm_mmc=OTC-Froogle-_-Hard+Drives-_-Western+Digital-_-22136456
>
> Jared
> http://AgileArtisans.com
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Brian Adkins <info at lojic.com> wrote:
> I'm considering deploying an application on either a Mac mini or Mac  
> mini server. The computer will be located at the client's office,  
> and I think there may be some advantages over a linux server. I've  
> never deployed a production app on OSX though, so I'm curious if  
> anyone has, and if so, what your experience has been.
>
> I expect I would install OSX and the app on an external RAID disk  
> system to avoid having to deal with replacing an internal disk after  
> a disk failure. That would allow using time machine to backup the  
> RAID disk to the internal drive.
>
> Disk performance is crucial for this application, so I'm not sure  
> how a firewire disk array would compare with internal drives. I'm  
> hoping I can get 10K rpm drives for the RAID.
>
> Thanks,
> Brian
>
> --
> Brian Adkins
> Lojic Technologies, LLC
> http://lojic.com/
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members


--
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Lojic Technologies, LLC
http://lojic.com/





From jareds.lists at gmail.com  Mon Nov 22 15:43:08 2010
From: jareds.lists at gmail.com (Jared Richardson)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 15:43:08 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] OSX Server
In-Reply-To: <3C0047B4-67C4-46F0-83D9-A2FE450DA105@lojic.com>
References: <BC50D257-030E-4558-B983-05811BFDAA4A@lojic.com>
	<AANLkTimuCUoE7F7Ge5sqGEyhbNh+JyPbXxbTZ6ujmANZ@mail.gmail.com>
	<3C0047B4-67C4-46F0-83D9-A2FE450DA105@lojic.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikNXTxNORUa=b4pJx_z6nhiOrDZdiz1cdJrKr5b@mail.gmail.com>

The SSD prices seem to be falling (finally). I put a small one (40 gigs) in
my Dad's laptop a few weeks ago for ~$100.

If you're already considering RAID, you could buy a number of smaller ones
and keep the budget nice and low.

Jared


On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Brian Adkins <info at lojic.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the tip on SSDs - I hadn't even considered that. They'd be of
> sufficient size, but I'm not sure about the budget in this particular case
> :)
>
> Re: installing the OS on the RAID - the idea wasn't for performance, but to
> minimize downtime in the event of a disk failure. Replacing an internal disk
> on a Mac mini is more difficult than swapping out an external RAID array, so
> I'd use the internal drive for the time machine backup initially.
>
> I agree I'd probably burn a bit more time on sysadmin on OSX than the
> Ubuntu I'm familiar with. What concerns me most though is the client being a
> guinea pig since this would be my first OSX deployment, and I don't know
> anyone with a success story :)
>
>
> On Nov 22, 2010, at 11:50 AM, Jared Richardson wrote:
>
>  Just a few thoughts...
>>
>> I find that service oriented work takes me much longer in OS X than Linux
>> because things are ~just~ different enough. If you don't know server side OS
>> X that well, find someone that does.
>>
>> You don't have to install the OS on the same disk as the data. In fact,
>> you'll get a nice boost by not doing that.
>>
>> Are SSDs an option? If you're disk bound and can possibly put in a raid of
>> SSDs, it might change the game.
>>
>> If you need so much disk space that SSDs aren't an option, you might have
>> trouble setting up a big enough disk to do Time Machine backups of your raid
>> array.
>>
>> Finally, if you're putting together an affordable solution, I recently did
>> some research on the 7,200 RPM throughput. The Western Digital Black 2 TB
>> disks (w/64 megs of cache) had the best performance of any disk short of the
>> costly 10k or 15k RPM disks.
>>
>>
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136456&nm_mc=OTC-Froogle&cm_mmc=OTC-Froogle-_-Hard+Drives-_-Western+Digital-_-22136456
>>
>> Jared
>> http://AgileArtisans.com
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Brian Adkins <info at lojic.com> wrote:
>> I'm considering deploying an application on either a Mac mini or Mac mini
>> server. The computer will be located at the client's office, and I think
>> there may be some advantages over a linux server. I've never deployed a
>> production app on OSX though, so I'm curious if anyone has, and if so, what
>> your experience has been.
>>
>> I expect I would install OSX and the app on an external RAID disk system
>> to avoid having to deal with replacing an internal disk after a disk
>> failure. That would allow using time machine to backup the RAID disk to the
>> internal drive.
>>
>> Disk performance is crucial for this application, so I'm not sure how a
>> firewire disk array would compare with internal drives. I'm hoping I can get
>> 10K rpm drives for the RAID.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Brian
>>
>> --
>> Brian Adkins
>> Lojic Technologies, LLC
>> http://lojic.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>>
>
>
> --
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> Lojic Technologies, LLC
> http://lojic.com/
>
>
>
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From mikehale at gmail.com  Mon Nov 22 17:35:07 2010
From: mikehale at gmail.com (Michael Hale)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 17:35:07 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] OSX Server
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikNXTxNORUa=b4pJx_z6nhiOrDZdiz1cdJrKr5b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BC50D257-030E-4558-B983-05811BFDAA4A@lojic.com>
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I put a Seagate 500GB Hybrid SSD
(http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/products/laptops/laptop-hdd) in my
wife's laptop and we have been very happy, much faster than a 7200RPM
and much cheaper than a full-on SSD.

On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Jared Richardson
<jareds.lists at gmail.com> wrote:
> The SSD prices seem to be falling (finally). I put a small one (40 gigs) in
> my Dad's laptop a few weeks ago for ~$100.
> If you're already considering RAID, you could buy a number of smaller ones
> and keep the budget nice and low.
> Jared
>
> On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Brian Adkins <info at lojic.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the tip on SSDs - I hadn't even considered that. They'd be of
>> sufficient size, but I'm not sure about the budget in this particular case
>> :)
>>
>> Re: installing the OS on the RAID - the idea wasn't for performance, but
>> to minimize downtime in the event of a disk failure. Replacing an internal
>> disk on a Mac mini is more difficult than swapping out an external RAID
>> array, so I'd use the internal drive for the time machine backup initially.
>>
>> I agree I'd probably burn a bit more time on sysadmin on OSX than the
>> Ubuntu I'm familiar with. What concerns me most though is the client being a
>> guinea pig since this would be my first OSX deployment, and I don't know
>> anyone with a success story :)
>>
>> On Nov 22, 2010, at 11:50 AM, Jared Richardson wrote:
>>
>>> Just a few thoughts...
>>>
>>> I find that service oriented work takes me much longer in OS X than Linux
>>> because things are ~just~ different enough. If you don't know server side OS
>>> X that well, find someone that does.
>>>
>>> You don't have to install the OS on the same disk as the data. In fact,
>>> you'll get a nice boost by not doing that.
>>>
>>> Are SSDs an option? If you're disk bound and can possibly put in a raid
>>> of SSDs, it might change the game.
>>>
>>> If you need so much disk space that SSDs aren't an option, you might have
>>> trouble setting up a big enough disk to do Time Machine backups of your raid
>>> array.
>>>
>>> Finally, if you're putting together an affordable solution, I recently
>>> did some research on the 7,200 RPM throughput. The Western Digital Black 2
>>> TB disks (w/64 megs of cache) had the best performance of any disk short of
>>> the costly 10k or 15k RPM disks.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136456&nm_mc=OTC-Froogle&cm_mmc=OTC-Froogle-_-Hard+Drives-_-Western+Digital-_-22136456
>>>
>>> Jared
>>> http://AgileArtisans.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Brian Adkins <info at lojic.com> wrote:
>>> I'm considering deploying an application on either a Mac mini or Mac mini
>>> server. The computer will be located at the client's office, and I think
>>> there may be some advantages over a linux server. I've never deployed a
>>> production app on OSX though, so I'm curious if anyone has, and if so, what
>>> your experience has been.
>>>
>>> I expect I would install OSX and the app on an external RAID disk system
>>> to avoid having to deal with replacing an internal disk after a disk
>>> failure. That would allow using time machine to backup the RAID disk to the
>>> internal drive.
>>>
>>> Disk performance is crucial for this application, so I'm not sure how a
>>> firewire disk array would compare with internal drives. I'm hoping I can get
>>> 10K rpm drives for the RAID.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> --
>>> Brian Adkins
>>> Lojic Technologies, LLC
>>> http://lojic.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>>
>>
>> --
>> Brian Adkins
>> Lojic Technologies, LLC
>> http://lojic.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>
>
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From jareds.lists at gmail.com  Mon Nov 22 19:06:17 2010
From: jareds.lists at gmail.com (Jared Richardson)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 19:06:17 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] OSX Server
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikNwJ1KyN9+sekk5oT0AV5QqX7inehxzFS8X24z@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BC50D257-030E-4558-B983-05811BFDAA4A@lojic.com>
	<AANLkTimuCUoE7F7Ge5sqGEyhbNh+JyPbXxbTZ6ujmANZ@mail.gmail.com>
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Intrex has a 320 gig laptop model from Seagate for $120. I've nearly bought
it more than once. :)

Jared

On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Michael Hale <mikehale at gmail.com> wrote:

> I put a Seagate 500GB Hybrid SSD
> (http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/products/laptops/laptop-hdd) in my
> wife's laptop and we have been very happy, much faster than a 7200RPM
> and much cheaper than a full-on SSD.
>
> On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Jared Richardson
> <jareds.lists at gmail.com> wrote:
> > The SSD prices seem to be falling (finally). I put a small one (40 gigs)
> in
> > my Dad's laptop a few weeks ago for ~$100.
> > If you're already considering RAID, you could buy a number of smaller
> ones
> > and keep the budget nice and low.
> > Jared
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Brian Adkins <info at lojic.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks for the tip on SSDs - I hadn't even considered that. They'd be of
> >> sufficient size, but I'm not sure about the budget in this particular
> case
> >> :)
> >>
> >> Re: installing the OS on the RAID - the idea wasn't for performance, but
> >> to minimize downtime in the event of a disk failure. Replacing an
> internal
> >> disk on a Mac mini is more difficult than swapping out an external RAID
> >> array, so I'd use the internal drive for the time machine backup
> initially.
> >>
> >> I agree I'd probably burn a bit more time on sysadmin on OSX than the
> >> Ubuntu I'm familiar with. What concerns me most though is the client
> being a
> >> guinea pig since this would be my first OSX deployment, and I don't know
> >> anyone with a success story :)
> >>
> >> On Nov 22, 2010, at 11:50 AM, Jared Richardson wrote:
> >>
> >>> Just a few thoughts...
> >>>
> >>> I find that service oriented work takes me much longer in OS X than
> Linux
> >>> because things are ~just~ different enough. If you don't know server
> side OS
> >>> X that well, find someone that does.
> >>>
> >>> You don't have to install the OS on the same disk as the data. In fact,
> >>> you'll get a nice boost by not doing that.
> >>>
> >>> Are SSDs an option? If you're disk bound and can possibly put in a raid
> >>> of SSDs, it might change the game.
> >>>
> >>> If you need so much disk space that SSDs aren't an option, you might
> have
> >>> trouble setting up a big enough disk to do Time Machine backups of your
> raid
> >>> array.
> >>>
> >>> Finally, if you're putting together an affordable solution, I recently
> >>> did some research on the 7,200 RPM throughput. The Western Digital
> Black 2
> >>> TB disks (w/64 megs of cache) had the best performance of any disk
> short of
> >>> the costly 10k or 15k RPM disks.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136456&nm_mc=OTC-Froogle&cm_mmc=OTC-Froogle-_-Hard+Drives-_-Western+Digital-_-22136456
> >>>
> >>> Jared
> >>> http://AgileArtisans.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Brian Adkins <info at lojic.com> wrote:
> >>> I'm considering deploying an application on either a Mac mini or Mac
> mini
> >>> server. The computer will be located at the client's office, and I
> think
> >>> there may be some advantages over a linux server. I've never deployed a
> >>> production app on OSX though, so I'm curious if anyone has, and if so,
> what
> >>> your experience has been.
> >>>
> >>> I expect I would install OSX and the app on an external RAID disk
> system
> >>> to avoid having to deal with replacing an internal disk after a disk
> >>> failure. That would allow using time machine to backup the RAID disk to
> the
> >>> internal drive.
> >>>
> >>> Disk performance is crucial for this application, so I'm not sure how a
> >>> firewire disk array would compare with internal drives. I'm hoping I
> can get
> >>> 10K rpm drives for the RAID.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Brian
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Brian Adkins
> >>> Lojic Technologies, LLC
> >>> http://lojic.com/
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> >>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> >>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> >>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> >>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Brian Adkins
> >> Lojic Technologies, LLC
> >> http://lojic.com/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> >> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
> >
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From lynn at executechllc.com  Tue Nov 23 21:38:10 2010
From: lynn at executechllc.com (Lynn Goins)
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 21:38:10 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Ruby on Rails Opening in Durham
Message-ID: <4CEC7A92.4000900@executechllc.com>

I wanted to share a new local opening in case there might be someone 
that is looking or at least open to entertaining a new position.  The 
position I have is with a great company that is located in Durham.  The 
position is a permanent position and it is preferring Ruby on Rails 
experience.  Below is a little more information in regards to the 
requirements.  If you would like to discuss this further and receive 
information about our client, feel free to call me or send me an email.

Sr. Web Developer

Job Requirements
. 2 or more years software development experience
. Ruby on Rails (not required but a huge plus).
. Experience with object-oriented development: Java, C++, or C#
. Experience with web-technologies: JSP/ASP, Javascript
. Proficiency with SQL
. Strong Problem-solving skills

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From ken.auer at rolemodelsoftware.com  Fri Nov 26 14:43:26 2010
From: ken.auer at rolemodelsoftware.com (Ken Auer)
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 14:43:26 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] OSX Server
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimQL65F-p0VM2RwcfCXykD6AS5-n5V_QLoCgK3N@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BC50D257-030E-4558-B983-05811BFDAA4A@lojic.com>
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Newegg has a 500 GB laptop model for $99.99 & free shipping.

On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 7:06 PM, Jared Richardson <jareds.lists at gmail.com>wrote:

> Intrex has a 320 gig laptop model from Seagate for $120. I've nearly bought
> it more than once. :)
>
> Jared
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Michael Hale <mikehale at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I put a Seagate 500GB Hybrid SSD
>> (http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/products/laptops/laptop-hdd) in my
>> wife's laptop and we have been very happy, much faster than a 7200RPM
>> and much cheaper than a full-on SSD.
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Jared Richardson
>> <jareds.lists at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > The SSD prices seem to be falling (finally). I put a small one (40 gigs)
>> in
>> > my Dad's laptop a few weeks ago for ~$100.
>> > If you're already considering RAID, you could buy a number of smaller
>> ones
>> > and keep the budget nice and low.
>> > Jared
>> >
>> > On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Brian Adkins <info at lojic.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for the tip on SSDs - I hadn't even considered that. They'd be
>> of
>> >> sufficient size, but I'm not sure about the budget in this particular
>> case
>> >> :)
>> >>
>> >> Re: installing the OS on the RAID - the idea wasn't for performance,
>> but
>> >> to minimize downtime in the event of a disk failure. Replacing an
>> internal
>> >> disk on a Mac mini is more difficult than swapping out an external RAID
>> >> array, so I'd use the internal drive for the time machine backup
>> initially.
>> >>
>> >> I agree I'd probably burn a bit more time on sysadmin on OSX than the
>> >> Ubuntu I'm familiar with. What concerns me most though is the client
>> being a
>> >> guinea pig since this would be my first OSX deployment, and I don't
>> know
>> >> anyone with a success story :)
>> >>
>> >> On Nov 22, 2010, at 11:50 AM, Jared Richardson wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Just a few thoughts...
>> >>>
>> >>> I find that service oriented work takes me much longer in OS X than
>> Linux
>> >>> because things are ~just~ different enough. If you don't know server
>> side OS
>> >>> X that well, find someone that does.
>> >>>
>> >>> You don't have to install the OS on the same disk as the data. In
>> fact,
>> >>> you'll get a nice boost by not doing that.
>> >>>
>> >>> Are SSDs an option? If you're disk bound and can possibly put in a
>> raid
>> >>> of SSDs, it might change the game.
>> >>>
>> >>> If you need so much disk space that SSDs aren't an option, you might
>> have
>> >>> trouble setting up a big enough disk to do Time Machine backups of
>> your raid
>> >>> array.
>> >>>
>> >>> Finally, if you're putting together an affordable solution, I recently
>> >>> did some research on the 7,200 RPM throughput. The Western Digital
>> Black 2
>> >>> TB disks (w/64 megs of cache) had the best performance of any disk
>> short of
>> >>> the costly 10k or 15k RPM disks.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136456&nm_mc=OTC-Froogle&cm_mmc=OTC-Froogle-_-Hard+Drives-_-Western+Digital-_-22136456
>> >>>
>> >>> Jared
>> >>> http://AgileArtisans.com
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Brian Adkins <info at lojic.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>> I'm considering deploying an application on either a Mac mini or Mac
>> mini
>> >>> server. The computer will be located at the client's office, and I
>> think
>> >>> there may be some advantages over a linux server. I've never deployed
>> a
>> >>> production app on OSX though, so I'm curious if anyone has, and if so,
>> what
>> >>> your experience has been.
>> >>>
>> >>> I expect I would install OSX and the app on an external RAID disk
>> system
>> >>> to avoid having to deal with replacing an internal disk after a disk
>> >>> failure. That would allow using time machine to backup the RAID disk
>> to the
>> >>> internal drive.
>> >>>
>> >>> Disk performance is crucial for this application, so I'm not sure how
>> a
>> >>> firewire disk array would compare with internal drives. I'm hoping I
>> can get
>> >>> 10K rpm drives for the RAID.
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks,
>> >>> Brian
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Brian Adkins
>> >>> Lojic Technologies, LLC
>> >>> http://lojic.com/
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>> >>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>> >>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>> >>>
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>> >>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>> >>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Brian Adkins
>> >> Lojic Technologies, LLC
>> >> http://lojic.com/
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>> >> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>> >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>> > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>>
>
>
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From rick.denatale at gmail.com  Mon Nov 29 14:06:53 2010
From: rick.denatale at gmail.com (Rick DeNatale)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 14:06:53 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Looking for a few good programmers
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=SUgK+OSyw4=1uBd4itDeca1X0K1yy-0uq4Lwp@mail.gmail.com>

I recently started working at SciMed Solutions in downtown Durham.
http://www.scimedsolutions.com/

We're on Main street, two doors from Beyu Cafe.

We have lots of interesting projects our main clientele comes from the
medical, scientific and academic communities, but we do some general
rails apps as well.

We are looking for more help either for full-time hire or a freelance
sub-contractor position. I've quickly found this to be a place where
passion about software craftsmanship is valued. We have a small,
talented team and strive to improve our already high level of
craftsmanship.  I was attracted here because they were looking for a
combination developer/agile mentor, and I've found the environment to
be very agile already, and receptive to continual improvement.

We need mostly experienced Rails developers, but also need some PHP
folks for existing projects, if you are comfortable with both, so much
the better.

If you are interested in sub-contacting there's more than enough work
to keep you busy for 30-40 hours per week, but we can make it work if
you are looking for less.  We are looking for collaborators, so if you
just want to be treated as a 'resource' this isn't the opportunity you
are looking for.


If you're interested, the best way to apply is to send your resume to
employment at scimedsolutions.com.

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From tesmar at statsheet.com  Tue Nov 30 10:23:03 2010
From: tesmar at statsheet.com (Tyler Smart)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 10:23:03 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Profiling a Rails App
Message-ID: <AANLkTim=5StS_nKOGVRoKL1959CkVSEJhwb38HSAwGCK@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Raleigh.rb,

I have a project to profile the statsheet rails app, and I am a newbie with
regard to using rails profiling tools. Does anyone have any recommendations?
I basically want to see which requests to our servers take up the most RAM,
so I can track down where we might have mem leaks. I see this thread (
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/350470/what-tools-do-you-recommend-to-profile-rails-apps)
and am exploring the possibilities mentioned there, but if any of you have
any experience with a particular tool, please let me know.

Sincerely,
Tyler
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From jim at jimvanfleet.com  Tue Nov 30 10:44:27 2010
From: jim at jimvanfleet.com (Jim Van Fleet)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 10:44:27 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Profiling a Rails App
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim=5StS_nKOGVRoKL1959CkVSEJhwb38HSAwGCK@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTim=5StS_nKOGVRoKL1959CkVSEJhwb38HSAwGCK@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikOCn0Jk7nShSYy8QHgaxC07mbu1_iDZPx0qtNf@mail.gmail.com>

I recently gave a talk related to this issue at charlotte.rb, you can find
the slides here:

http://someguysblog.com/capacity-and-performance-of-rails-applications/

I particularly recommend Aman Gupta's Debugging Ruby Webinar, which was
given in conjunction with Engine Yard.  I saw a separate performance of the
same content, and it is certainly worth your time-- not just for this
project.

Hope that helps!

On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Tyler Smart <tesmar at statsheet.com> wrote:

> Hi Raleigh.rb,
>
> I have a project to profile the statsheet rails app, and I am a newbie with
> regard to using rails profiling tools. Does anyone have any recommendations?
> I basically want to see which requests to our servers take up the most RAM,
> so I can track down where we might have mem leaks. I see this thread (
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/350470/what-tools-do-you-recommend-to-profile-rails-apps)
> and am exploring the possibilities mentioned there, but if any of you have
> any experience with a particular tool, please let me know.
>
> Sincerely,
> Tyler
>
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
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From tesmar at statsheet.com  Tue Nov 30 11:29:32 2010
From: tesmar at statsheet.com (Tyler Smart)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 11:29:32 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Profiling a Rails App
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikOCn0Jk7nShSYy8QHgaxC07mbu1_iDZPx0qtNf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTim=5StS_nKOGVRoKL1959CkVSEJhwb38HSAwGCK@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikOCn0Jk7nShSYy8QHgaxC07mbu1_iDZPx0qtNf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimk3+B3=OJmHanNWXUPSuwwKzELadAJD4wjGWT7@mail.gmail.com>

It does very much!

Thank you!

On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Jim Van Fleet <jim at jimvanfleet.com> wrote:

> I recently gave a talk related to this issue at charlotte.rb, you can find
> the slides here:
>
> http://someguysblog.com/capacity-and-performance-of-rails-applications/
>
> I particularly recommend Aman Gupta's Debugging Ruby Webinar, which was
> given in conjunction with Engine Yard.  I saw a separate performance of the
> same content, and it is certainly worth your time-- not just for this
> project.
>
> Hope that helps!
>
> On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Tyler Smart <tesmar at statsheet.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi Raleigh.rb,
>>
>> I have a project to profile the statsheet rails app, and I am a newbie
>> with regard to using rails profiling tools. Does anyone have any
>> recommendations? I basically want to see which requests to our servers take
>> up the most RAM, so I can track down where we might have mem leaks. I see
>> this thread (
>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/350470/what-tools-do-you-recommend-to-profile-rails-apps)
>> and am exploring the possibilities mentioned there, but if any of you have
>> any experience with a particular tool, please let me know.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Tyler
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
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From tesmar at statsheet.com  Tue Nov 30 11:42:26 2010
From: tesmar at statsheet.com (Tyler Smart)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 11:42:26 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Profiling a Rails App
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimk3+B3=OJmHanNWXUPSuwwKzELadAJD4wjGWT7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTim=5StS_nKOGVRoKL1959CkVSEJhwb38HSAwGCK@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikOCn0Jk7nShSYy8QHgaxC07mbu1_iDZPx0qtNf@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimk3+B3=OJmHanNWXUPSuwwKzELadAJD4wjGWT7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikpz+Eq93agSHf8VXgqscu-2DRtbOvePWuzuLXh@mail.gmail.com>

What did you mean in your slides when you wrote "be aware of passenger +
REE" ?

On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Tyler Smart <tesmar at statsheet.com> wrote:

> It does very much!
>
> Thank you!
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Jim Van Fleet <jim at jimvanfleet.com>wrote:
>
>> I recently gave a talk related to this issue at charlotte.rb, you can find
>> the slides here:
>>
>> http://someguysblog.com/capacity-and-performance-of-rails-applications/
>>
>> I particularly recommend Aman Gupta's Debugging Ruby Webinar, which was
>> given in conjunction with Engine Yard.  I saw a separate performance of the
>> same content, and it is certainly worth your time-- not just for this
>> project.
>>
>> Hope that helps!
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Tyler Smart <tesmar at statsheet.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Raleigh.rb,
>>>
>>> I have a project to profile the statsheet rails app, and I am a newbie
>>> with regard to using rails profiling tools. Does anyone have any
>>> recommendations? I basically want to see which requests to our servers take
>>> up the most RAM, so I can track down where we might have mem leaks. I see
>>> this thread (
>>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/350470/what-tools-do-you-recommend-to-profile-rails-apps)
>>> and am exploring the possibilities mentioned there, but if any of you have
>>> any experience with a particular tool, please let me know.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Tyler
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>>
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From jim at jimvanfleet.com  Tue Nov 30 11:48:17 2010
From: jim at jimvanfleet.com (Jim Van Fleet)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 11:48:17 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Profiling a Rails App
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikpz+Eq93agSHf8VXgqscu-2DRtbOvePWuzuLXh@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTim=5StS_nKOGVRoKL1959CkVSEJhwb38HSAwGCK@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikOCn0Jk7nShSYy8QHgaxC07mbu1_iDZPx0qtNf@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimk3+B3=OJmHanNWXUPSuwwKzELadAJD4wjGWT7@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikpz+Eq93agSHf8VXgqscu-2DRtbOvePWuzuLXh@mail.gmail.com>
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Be aware of its existence.  While REE can provide memory savings for those
using unicorn, it isn't as easy out of the box.  REE has been around long
enough and used in many production environments, it gets the Jim Van Fleet
You Are Probably OK seal of approval.

On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Tyler Smart <tesmar at statsheet.com> wrote:

> What did you mean in your slides when you wrote "be aware of passenger +
> REE" ?
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Tyler Smart <tesmar at statsheet.com>wrote:
>
>> It does very much!
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Jim Van Fleet <jim at jimvanfleet.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I recently gave a talk related to this issue at charlotte.rb, you can
>>> find the slides here:
>>>
>>> http://someguysblog.com/capacity-and-performance-of-rails-applications/
>>>
>>> I particularly recommend Aman Gupta's Debugging Ruby Webinar, which was
>>> given in conjunction with Engine Yard.  I saw a separate performance of the
>>> same content, and it is certainly worth your time-- not just for this
>>> project.
>>>
>>> Hope that helps!
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Tyler Smart <tesmar at statsheet.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Raleigh.rb,
>>>>
>>>> I have a project to profile the statsheet rails app, and I am a newbie
>>>> with regard to using rails profiling tools. Does anyone have any
>>>> recommendations? I basically want to see which requests to our servers take
>>>> up the most RAM, so I can track down where we might have mem leaks. I see
>>>> this thread (
>>>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/350470/what-tools-do-you-recommend-to-profile-rails-apps)
>>>> and am exploring the possibilities mentioned there, but if any of you have
>>>> any experience with a particular tool, please let me know.
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> Tyler
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>>>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>>>
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
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From phi.sanders at sciphi.me  Tue Nov 30 11:49:47 2010
From: phi.sanders at sciphi.me (phi.sanders at sciphi.me)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 11:49:47 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [raleigh.rb] OSX Server
Message-ID: <1291135787.015524470@192.168.2.228>


All of our Rails applications at VitalSource are deployed on Mac OS X Server. We've had plenty of "gotchas" but they are edge cases, so it can certainly be considered a success. We've used Rails since 1.0 and migrated from FastCGI to Mongrel to Passenger in that time.

First step is always to install the developer tools (xcode) for gcc, etc.

Key admin differences are launchd (not init, etc) and server_admin (instead of service, etc)

Apache2 is pre-installed, so you can manage that normally.

Ditto for MySQL (but depending on the gems you use, you may need to patch some headers)

You probably want to use homebrew for any custom tools you need (although we previously deployed via MacPorts which worked well enough)


~Phi

-----Original Message-----
From: "Brian Adkins" <info at lojic.com>
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 2:53pm
To: "The mailing list of raleigh.rb" <raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org>
Subject: Re: [raleigh.rb] OSX Server

Thanks for the tip on SSDs - I hadn't even considered that. They'd be  
of sufficient size, but I'm not sure about the budget in this  
particular case :)

Re: installing the OS on the RAID - the idea wasn't for performance,  
but to minimize downtime in the event of a disk failure. Replacing an  
internal disk on a Mac mini is more difficult than swapping out an  
external RAID array, so I'd use the internal drive for the time  
machine backup initially.

I agree I'd probably burn a bit more time on sysadmin on OSX than the  
Ubuntu I'm familiar with. What concerns me most though is the client  
being a guinea pig since this would be my first OSX deployment, and I  
don't know anyone with a success story :)




From tesmar at statsheet.com  Tue Nov 30 11:59:14 2010
From: tesmar at statsheet.com (Tyler Smart)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 11:59:14 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Profiling a Rails App
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimwgzbPudYY+AbKzpeASZgvGHDyrAZW_k9=2xxd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTim=5StS_nKOGVRoKL1959CkVSEJhwb38HSAwGCK@mail.gmail.com>
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Hmm, we are already using REE +  nginx, but I haven't used Unicorn, or even
heard about it. What are your thoughts on that? I have read about some
people using nginx+ REE + unicorn, but I don't know if it is worth the extra
trouble to try and add unicorn to the bunch.

On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Jim Van Fleet <jim at jimvanfleet.com> wrote:

> Be aware of its existence.  While REE can provide memory savings for those
> using unicorn, it isn't as easy out of the box.  REE has been around long
> enough and used in many production environments, it gets the Jim Van Fleet
> You Are Probably OK seal of approval.
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Tyler Smart <tesmar at statsheet.com>wrote:
>
>> What did you mean in your slides when you wrote "be aware of passenger +
>> REE" ?
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Tyler Smart <tesmar at statsheet.com>wrote:
>>
>>> It does very much!
>>>
>>> Thank you!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Jim Van Fleet <jim at jimvanfleet.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> I recently gave a talk related to this issue at charlotte.rb, you can
>>>> find the slides here:
>>>>
>>>> http://someguysblog.com/capacity-and-performance-of-rails-applications/
>>>>
>>>> I particularly recommend Aman Gupta's Debugging Ruby Webinar, which was
>>>> given in conjunction with Engine Yard.  I saw a separate performance of the
>>>> same content, and it is certainly worth your time-- not just for this
>>>> project.
>>>>
>>>> Hope that helps!
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Tyler Smart <tesmar at statsheet.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Raleigh.rb,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a project to profile the statsheet rails app, and I am a newbie
>>>>> with regard to using rails profiling tools. Does anyone have any
>>>>> recommendations? I basically want to see which requests to our servers take
>>>>> up the most RAM, so I can track down where we might have mem leaks. I see
>>>>> this thread (
>>>>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/350470/what-tools-do-you-recommend-to-profile-rails-apps)
>>>>> and am exploring the possibilities mentioned there, but if any of you have
>>>>> any experience with a particular tool, please let me know.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> Tyler
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>>>>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>>>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>>>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>>
>
>
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From info at lojic.com  Tue Nov 30 12:15:07 2010
From: info at lojic.com (Brian Adkins)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 12:15:07 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] OSX Server
In-Reply-To: <1291135787.015524470@192.168.2.228>
References: <1291135787.015524470@192.168.2.228>
Message-ID: <05A41793-433D-416E-BA89-A78495F834EF@lojic.com>

Phi's post reminded me to report back on this. I have a fairly large  
MongoDB database of 40M+ records. I was experiencing a pretty severe  
degradation as the db grew in size as detailed here:

http://groups.google.com/group/mongodb-user/browse_frm/thread/8874f311e0382a3e

However, in summary, although my test on Linux did seem to have more  
consistent performance and better use of RAM, the fundamental problem  
was simply due to the huge indexes exceeding RAM by a large margin  
(and a now-fixed bug that was using 64-bit ints where 32-bit ones  
would suffice). I think Linux probably has the edge over OSX wrt the  
virtual memory manager, but it wasn't perfectly clear from my tests to  
be fair since the hardware was Apple and oranges :)

I ended up ordering a server from AnythingPC locally due to time  
requirements w/ 16GB RAM and three 10K rpm disks in a RAID 5 which  
should provide decent performance. Even so, because of the MongoDB  
index overhead, I expect total index size to be close to the total  
RAM, so I've been tuning indexes.

Brian

P.S. Thanks for providing the info on your OSX server deployments - it  
maybe something I consider in the future.

--
Brian Adkins
Lojic Technologies, LLC
http://lojic.com/

On Nov 30, 2010, at 11:49 AM, phi.sanders at sciphi.me wrote:

>
> All of our Rails applications at VitalSource are deployed on Mac OS  
> X Server. We've had plenty of "gotchas" but they are edge cases, so  
> it can certainly be considered a success. We've used Rails since 1.0  
> and migrated from FastCGI to Mongrel to Passenger in that time.
>
> First step is always to install the developer tools (xcode) for gcc,  
> etc.
>
> Key admin differences are launchd (not init, etc) and server_admin  
> (instead of service, etc)
>
> Apache2 is pre-installed, so you can manage that normally.
>
> Ditto for MySQL (but depending on the gems you use, you may need to  
> patch some headers)
>
> You probably want to use homebrew for any custom tools you need  
> (although we previously deployed via MacPorts which worked well  
> enough)
>
>
> ~Phi
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Brian Adkins" <info at lojic.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 2:53pm
> To: "The mailing list of raleigh.rb" <raleigh-rb- 
> members at rubyforge.org>
> Subject: Re: [raleigh.rb] OSX Server
>
> Thanks for the tip on SSDs - I hadn't even considered that. They'd be
> of sufficient size, but I'm not sure about the budget in this
> particular case :)
>
> Re: installing the OS on the RAID - the idea wasn't for performance,
> but to minimize downtime in the event of a disk failure. Replacing an
> internal disk on a Mac mini is more difficult than swapping out an
> external RAID array, so I'd use the internal drive for the time
> machine backup initially.
>
> I agree I'd probably burn a bit more time on sysadmin on OSX than the
> Ubuntu I'm familiar with. What concerns me most though is the client
> being a guinea pig since this would be my first OSX deployment, and I
> don't know anyone with a success story :)
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members

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From aaron at aaronbedra.com  Tue Nov 30 12:22:32 2010
From: aaron at aaronbedra.com (Aaron Bedra)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 12:22:32 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Profiling a Rails App
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimwgzbPudYY+AbKzpeASZgvGHDyrAZW_k9=2xxd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTim=5StS_nKOGVRoKL1959CkVSEJhwb38HSAwGCK@mail.gmail.com>
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If you are still on1.8.x REE is the ONLY ruby you should be using. The GC and threading fixes make it a deployable Ruby.  I would not use MRI in production for anything.  If you want the lowdown on what was fixed in REE take a look at Hong and Nihn's talk at google on it.  It is very eye opening.  

Aaron

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 30, 2010, at 11:48 AM, Jim Van Fleet <jim at jimvanfleet.com> wrote:

> Be aware of its existence.  While REE can provide memory savings for those using unicorn, it isn't as easy out of the box.  REE has been around long enough and used in many production environments, it gets the Jim Van Fleet You Are Probably OK seal of approval.
> 
> On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Tyler Smart <tesmar at statsheet.com> wrote:
> What did you mean in your slides when you wrote "be aware of passenger + REE" ?
> 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Tyler Smart <tesmar at statsheet.com> wrote:
> It does very much!
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Jim Van Fleet <jim at jimvanfleet.com> wrote:
> I recently gave a talk related to this issue at charlotte.rb, you can find the slides here:
> 
> http://someguysblog.com/capacity-and-performance-of-rails-applications/
> 
> I particularly recommend Aman Gupta's Debugging Ruby Webinar, which was given in conjunction with Engine Yard.  I saw a separate performance of the same content, and it is certainly worth your time-- not just for this project.
> 
> Hope that helps!
> 
> On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Tyler Smart <tesmar at statsheet.com> wrote:
> Hi Raleigh.rb,
> 
> I have a project to profile the statsheet rails app, and I am a newbie with regard to using rails profiling tools. Does anyone have any recommendations? I basically want to see which requests to our servers take up the most RAM, so I can track down where we might have mem leaks. I see this thread (http://stackoverflow.com/questions/350470/what-tools-do-you-recommend-to-profile-rails-apps) and am exploring the possibilities mentioned there, but if any of you have any experience with a particular tool, please let me know.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Tyler
> 
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
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From tesmar at statsheet.com  Tue Nov 30 13:06:59 2010
From: tesmar at statsheet.com (Tyler Smart)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 13:06:59 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Profiling a Rails App
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Hi Aaron,

We are already using REE and have been for a while; have you used Unicorn
before and would you recommend it? If you have, what are the advantages and
disadvantages?

Sincerely,
Tyler

On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Aaron Bedra <aaron at aaronbedra.com> wrote:

> If you are still on1.8.x REE is the ONLY ruby you should be using. The GC
> and threading fixes make it a deployable Ruby.  I would not use MRI in
> production for anything.  If you want the lowdown on what was fixed in REE
> take a look at Hong and Nihn's talk at google on it.  It is very eye
> opening.
>
> Aaron
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 30, 2010, at 11:48 AM, Jim Van Fleet <jim at jimvanfleet.com> wrote:
>
> Be aware of its existence.  While REE can provide memory savings for those
> using unicorn, it isn't as easy out of the box.  REE has been around long
> enough and used in many production environments, it gets the Jim Van Fleet
> You Are Probably OK seal of approval.
>
> On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Tyler Smart < <tesmar at statsheet.com>
> tesmar at statsheet.com> wrote:
>
>> What did you mean in your slides when you wrote "be aware of passenger +
>> REE" ?
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Tyler Smart < <tesmar at statsheet.com>
>> tesmar at statsheet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> It does very much!
>>>
>>> Thank you!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Jim Van Fleet < <jim at jimvanfleet.com>
>>> jim at jimvanfleet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I recently gave a talk related to this issue at charlotte.rb, you can
>>>> find the slides here:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <http://someguysblog.com/capacity-and-performance-of-rails-applications/>
>>>> http://someguysblog.com/capacity-and-performance-of-rails-applications/
>>>>
>>>> I particularly recommend Aman Gupta's Debugging Ruby Webinar, which was
>>>> given in conjunction with Engine Yard.  I saw a separate performance of the
>>>> same content, and it is certainly worth your time-- not just for this
>>>> project.
>>>>
>>>> Hope that helps!
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Tyler Smart < <tesmar at statsheet.com>
>>>> tesmar at statsheet.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Raleigh.rb,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a project to profile the statsheet rails app, and I am a newbie
>>>>> with regard to using rails profiling tools. Does anyone have any
>>>>> recommendations? I basically want to see which requests to our servers take
>>>>> up the most RAM, so I can track down where we might have mem leaks. I see
>>>>> this thread (<http://stackoverflow.com/questions/350470/what-tools-do-you-recommend-to-profile-rails-apps>
>>>>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/350470/what-tools-do-you-recommend-to-profile-rails-apps)
>>>>> and am exploring the possibilities mentioned there, but if any of you have
>>>>> any experience with a particular tool, please let me know.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> Tyler
>>>>>
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From donald.ball at gmail.com  Tue Nov 30 13:28:25 2010
From: donald.ball at gmail.com (Donald Ball)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 13:28:25 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Profiling a Rails App
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On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Aaron Bedra <aaron at aaronbedra.com> wrote:
> If you are still on1.8.x REE is the ONLY ruby you should be using. The GC
> and threading fixes make it a deployable Ruby. ?I would not use MRI in
> production for anything. ?If you want the lowdown on what was fixed in REE
> take a look at Hong and Nihn's talk at google on it. ?It is very eye
> opening.

Having a sysadmin whose got us stuck on 1.8.6 (!) still, and is
contemplating a move to MRI 1.8.7 instead of REE (or 1.9.2),
apparently due to some bad blood between the Redhat guys and the REE
guys, I'd appreciate a link to said talk if you happen to have one, I
couldn't find it just now. Thanks.

- donald

From tesmar at statsheet.com  Tue Nov 30 15:00:08 2010
From: tesmar at statsheet.com (Tyler Smart)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 15:00:08 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Profiling a Rails App
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I've decided to go with a combination of

   - Request Log Analyzer https://github.com/wvanbergen/request-log-analyzer
   - Oink https://github.com/noahd1/oink
   - Memprof  https://github.com/ice799/memprof

I'll let you guys know how successful it was.

Tyler

On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Donald Ball <donald.ball at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Aaron Bedra <aaron at aaronbedra.com>
> wrote:
> > If you are still on1.8.x REE is the ONLY ruby you should be using. The GC
> > and threading fixes make it a deployable Ruby.  I would not use MRI in
> > production for anything.  If you want the lowdown on what was fixed in
> REE
> > take a look at Hong and Nihn's talk at google on it.  It is very eye
> > opening.
>
> Having a sysadmin whose got us stuck on 1.8.6 (!) still, and is
> contemplating a move to MRI 1.8.7 instead of REE (or 1.9.2),
> apparently due to some bad blood between the Redhat guys and the REE
> guys, I'd appreciate a link to said talk if you happen to have one, I
> couldn't find it just now. Thanks.
>
> - donald
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
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From aaron at aaronbedra.com  Tue Nov 30 19:24:58 2010
From: aaron at aaronbedra.com (Aaron Bedra)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 19:24:58 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Profiling a Rails App
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The video is at

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghLCtCwAKqQ

Aaron

On 11/30/10 1:28 PM, Donald Ball wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Aaron Bedra<aaron at aaronbedra.com>  wrote:
>> If you are still on1.8.x REE is the ONLY ruby you should be using. The GC
>> and threading fixes make it a deployable Ruby.  I would not use MRI in
>> production for anything.  If you want the lowdown on what was fixed in REE
>> take a look at Hong and Nihn's talk at google on it.  It is very eye
>> opening.
> Having a sysadmin whose got us stuck on 1.8.6 (!) still, and is
> contemplating a move to MRI 1.8.7 instead of REE (or 1.9.2),
> apparently due to some bad blood between the Redhat guys and the REE
> guys, I'd appreciate a link to said talk if you happen to have one, I
> couldn't find it just now. Thanks.
>
> - donald
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members


From info at lojic.com  Tue Nov 30 19:37:37 2010
From: info at lojic.com (Brian Adkins)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 19:37:37 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Site monitoring via push vs. pull
Message-ID: <3D18EF73-59E4-44CE-9537-CCBE04454034@lojic.com>

I have a critical application that will be running on a computer in my  
client's office behind a firewall that won't allow pingdom.com,  
siteuptime.com, etc. to monitor it.

Is anyone aware of a service that accepts push requests instead of  
issuing pull requests for this sort of thing? In other words, I'd like  
a service that would allow me to ping it periodically and have it send  
a notification email if the time between pings exceeded a threshhold.  
It's important that the monitoring is done outside of the client's LAN.

One option is for me to create a simple "relay" app hosted on a vps to  
accept the pings from the client's computer and provide a url to the  
monitoring service, but I'd like to avoid that if possible.

Thanks,
Brian

--
Brian Adkins
Lojic Technologies, LLC
http://lojic.com/