From rhooker at cisco.com  Tue Jul  1 20:42:30 2008
From: rhooker at cisco.com (Raymond Hooker (rhooker))
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 20:42:30 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Controller Weirdness
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I figured it out.   First it turns out that I need to set the action on
form_for statement:
<% form_for :sqlfile, :url=>{:action=> :mark_final, :controller =>
:sqlfiles} do |f| %>

It turns out that even when you specify the action on the submit, the
form_for wins out.  I had to try a couple of things and examine the
generate html to see what worked.  It turned out to be very simple.

Ray


________________________________

From: raleigh-rb-members-bounces at rubyforge.org
[mailto:raleigh-rb-members-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Raymond
Hooker (rhooker)
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 8:53 PM
To: The mailing list of raleigh.rb
Subject: Re: [raleigh.rb] Controller Weirdness


Thanks for the suggestions.  I seem to be able to get the route correct.
The problem is that I want to actually gather a piece of information
from a text field and then perform some special updates including
changing the "version" field.   I seem to be able to either:
- Pop up the screen and route to any method
- Provide a form to up date fields.
 
1. If I try to put a link_to or button inside the form, it will simply
go to the update method for that object.
2. If I put the link or button outside the form, I don't seem to be pass
the values from the form i.e., params hash) but determine the method to
be called.
 
It seems like a simple thing.
 
Ray
 

________________________________

From: raleigh-rb-members-bounces at rubyforge.org
[mailto:raleigh-rb-members-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Matthew
Bass
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 10:26 AM
To: The mailing list of raleigh.rb
Subject: Re: [raleigh.rb] Controller Weirdness


I'm not sure what's going on, Raymond. You might try specifying a full
URL on your form tag (e.g. :url => { :controller => "email_templates",
:action => "mark_final" }) 

 
I'd also try expressing the form tag this way:

 
form_for :currsqlfile, :url=>{:action=> :mark_final}

 
If neither of these work, please paste the output from your log file
here and include the error message you're getting from your update
action.


 
Matthew


On 6/27/08, Raymond Hooker (rhooker) <rhooker at cisco.com> wrote: 

	I am trying to figure out why the controller is redirecting my
action.  I have a form that specifies the action to be "mark_final".  I
see in the console that it has been redirected to "mark_final":
	127.0.0.1 - - [27/Jun/2008:11:20:29 Eastern Daylight Time] "POST
/email_templates/confirm_mark HTTP/1.1" 200 4765

	http://localhost:3000/email_templates/ ->
/email_templates/confirm_mark

	127.0.0.1 - - [27/Jun/2008:11:20:53 Eastern Daylight Time] "POST
/email_templates/mark_final HTTP/1.1" 404 11488

	http://localhost:3000/email_templates/confirm_mark ->
/email_templates/mark_final

	
	 
	The problem is that it then fails in the "update" action because
it can't find an emailtemplate (the name of the controller) with an ID
of "mark_final".  Apparently it thought I was attempting to update an
emailtemplate with that ID.  This is despite the fact that I have a
valid method "mark_final".  I have set breakpoints on the two methods
and verified that is what it is trying to do.
	 
	Here is the view that for "confirm_mark":
	 
	<%

	form_for @currsqlfile, :url=>{:action=> :mark_final} do |f|%> 

	

	<

	h1>Mark Templates as Final</h1> 

	<

	b><% if flash[:notice] %><div class="notice"><%= flash[:notice]
%></div><% end %></b> 

	<

	p> 

	

	<b>WARNING - </b> Once templates are marked as final, they can
not longer be edited. 

	You will still be able to view and export them.

	</

	p> 

	

	<b>Notes:</b> 

	

	<b>Please enter any deployment notes:</b><br> 

	

	<%= f.text_area :notes %> 

	

	

	</p><br> 

	

	<%= button_to 'Submit', :action => 'mark_final' %> 

	<%

	end -%>

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From pelargir at gmail.com  Mon Jul  7 09:48:47 2008
From: pelargir at gmail.com (Matthew Bass)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 09:48:47 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Ruby Hoedown travel plans
Message-ID: <c2eae3390807070648rf0d69efjab58fae10ae86086@mail.gmail.com>

So, who's going to the Ruby Hoedown?

Who is driving? Who is flying?


Is anyone who is flying interested in trying to get seats together?


Discuss. :)


Matthew
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From redinger at gmail.com  Mon Jul  7 10:19:53 2008
From: redinger at gmail.com (Christopher Redinger)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 10:19:53 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Ruby Hoedown travel plans
In-Reply-To: <c2eae3390807070648rf0d69efjab58fae10ae86086@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c2eae3390807070648rf0d69efjab58fae10ae86086@mail.gmail.com>
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I'm working on finalizing my travel plans today.

I'm most likely going to fly. The bummer is that the last flight out
of HSV on Saturday looks to be around 6. Which means either staying an
extra night, or skipping out early.

I'll be flying in Aug 7th sometime in the evening.

Also, anybody given any thoughts on where to stay yet? I'm trying to
figure out which hotels would be within walking distance of the Shelby
Center.

On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 9:48 AM, Matthew Bass <pelargir at gmail.com> wrote:
> So, who's going to the Ruby Hoedown?
>
> Who is driving? Who is flying?
>
> Is anyone who is flying interested in trying to get seats together?
>
> Discuss. :)
>
> Matthew
> _______________________________________________
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From nathaniel at talbott.ws  Mon Jul  7 10:53:19 2008
From: nathaniel at talbott.ws (Nathaniel Talbott)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 10:53:19 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Ruby Hoedown travel plans
In-Reply-To: <c2eae3390807070648rf0d69efjab58fae10ae86086@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c2eae3390807070648rf0d69efjab58fae10ae86086@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ce336a20807070753kd14c811x7fc016b3e28175ff@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 9:48 AM, Matthew Bass <pelargir at gmail.com> wrote:

> So, who's going to the Ruby Hoedown?

Me!


> Who is driving? Who is flying?

I'm renting a car and driving from our mountain retreat in Franklin,
NC. Plan is to arrive Thursday afternoon/evening and bug out Saturday
after everything's over.

I still have to book my hotel - who's staying where?


-- 
Nathaniel Talbott
<:((><

From pelargir at gmail.com  Mon Jul  7 11:09:40 2008
From: pelargir at gmail.com (Matthew Bass)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 11:09:40 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Ruby Hoedown travel plans
In-Reply-To: <4ce336a20807070753kd14c811x7fc016b3e28175ff@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c2eae3390807070648rf0d69efjab58fae10ae86086@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ce336a20807070753kd14c811x7fc016b3e28175ff@mail.gmail.com>
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I'm not sure where I'm staying yet, but here's what I've found so far.
Unfortunately, there doesn't appear to be anything right next to the Shelby
Center, but there are a few within semi-long walking distance.

I'm partial to Mariott or Courtyard myself.




  Knights Inn
  4404 University Dr NW (1 mi, $59/night)
  (256) 837-3250


  Hilton Garden Inn (1 mi, $99/night)
  4801 Governors House Drive
  (256) 430-1778


  Bevill Conf Center/Hotel (1 mi, ???)
  550 Sparkman Dr NW
  (256) 721-9428


  Mariott Huntsville (1.3 mi, $99/night)
  5 Tranquility Base
  (256) 830-2222

  Hampton Inn Hotel (1.5 mi, $87/night)
  4815 University Drive
  (256) 830-9400

  Courtyard Huntsville (1.5 mi, $89/night)
  4804 University Dr NW
  (256) 837-1400

  Guesthouse Suites (1.7 mi, $99/night)
  4020 Independence Dr NW
  (256) 837-8907

  Holiday Inn Express (2 mi, $85/night)
  3808 University Drive
  (877) 863-4780

  Fairfield Inn (3.5 mi, $82/night)
  1385 Enterprise Way
  (256) 971-0921



Near the airport:


  The Westin Huntsville (3.5 mi, $209/night)
  6800 Governors West, NW
  (256) 428-2000

  Four Points by Sheraton (10 mi, $130/night)
  1000 Glenn Hearn Blvd.
  (256) 772-9661
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From jeremymcanally at gmail.com  Mon Jul  7 11:35:55 2008
From: jeremymcanally at gmail.com (Jeremy McAnally)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 10:35:55 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Ruby Hoedown travel plans
In-Reply-To: <c2eae3390807070809v2f8b0c65v82d5c698cb38f490@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c2eae3390807070648rf0d69efjab58fae10ae86086@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ce336a20807070753kd14c811x7fc016b3e28175ff@mail.gmail.com>
	<c2eae3390807070809v2f8b0c65v82d5c698cb38f490@mail.gmail.com>
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Here are my recommendations:

The Ramada is very close to the venue and VERY close to where we're
probably having our Friday night dinner.  The Bevill Center Hotel is
actually on campus but I'm not sure how nice it is.  I'll be going
over there today I think so I'll try to check it out.

The Westin is the nicest accomodations we have in town at this point
if you're looking for luxury. :)  It's also in the middle of a REALLY
cool area with tons of shopping, an awesome theatre, and close to
other stuff.

--Jeremy

On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 10:09 AM, Matthew Bass <pelargir at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm not sure where I'm staying yet, but here's what I've found so far.
> Unfortunately, there doesn't appear to be anything right next to the Shelby
> Center, but there are a few within semi-long walking distance.
>
> I'm partial to Mariott or Courtyard myself.
>
>
>
>   Knights Inn
>   4404 University Dr NW (1 mi, $59/night)
>   (256) 837-3250
>
>   Hilton Garden Inn (1 mi, $99/night)
>   4801 Governors House Drive
>   (256) 430-1778
>
>   Bevill Conf Center/Hotel (1 mi, ???)
>   550 Sparkman Dr NW
>   (256) 721-9428
>
>   Mariott Huntsville (1.3 mi, $99/night)
>   5 Tranquility Base
>   (256) 830-2222
>
>   Hampton Inn Hotel (1.5 mi, $87/night)
>   4815 University Drive
>   (256) 830-9400
>
>   Courtyard Huntsville (1.5 mi, $89/night)
>   4804 University Dr NW
>   (256) 837-1400
>
>   Guesthouse Suites (1.7 mi, $99/night)
>   4020 Independence Dr NW
>   (256) 837-8907
>
>   Holiday Inn Express (2 mi, $85/night)
>   3808 University Drive
>   (877) 863-4780
>
>   Fairfield Inn (3.5 mi, $82/night)
>   1385 Enterprise Way
>   (256) 971-0921
>
>
> Near the airport:
>
>   The Westin Huntsville (3.5 mi, $209/night)
>   6800 Governors West, NW
>   (256) 428-2000
>
>   Four Points by Sheraton (10 mi, $130/night)
>   1000 Glenn Hearn Blvd.
>   (256) 772-9661
> _______________________________________________
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> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>



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From jeremymcanally at gmail.com  Tue Jul  8 01:02:30 2008
From: jeremymcanally at gmail.com (Jeremy McAnally)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 00:02:30 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] [ANN][ADV] Ruby Hoedown 2008 - Hotel information,
	group/student discounts, and more!
Message-ID: <d878fe460807072202o35431fdfgfae023c945f85bf0@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,
The Ruby Hoedown (the southeastern regional Ruby conference, sponsored
by Engine Yard and Hashrocket) is just over a month away, and we have
a few things to announce today.

First of all, due to popular demand, we're now offering user group,
work place, and student discounts.  These usually range from $50-$100
(depending on how many people you're sending).  If you send enough
people from your employer or user group, you could all go for $99
each!  Drop an e-mail to organizers at rubyhoedown.com and we'll get the
ball rolling (which really just entails us making a custom discount
code for you).

Secondly, we now have our hotel and entertainment information up on
the website.  Check out http://www.rubyhoedown.com/ to see what's
available!

Lastly, registration is open until and through the first day of the
conference just in case you were wondering. ;)  You can still register
here for $199: http://rubyhoedown.eventwax.com/ruby-hoedown-2008/register
.  You don't want to miss talks from Jim Weirich, David Black, Chris
Wanstrath, Joe O'Brien and a host of others!

Thanks and e-mail me or reply here if you have any questions!
Jeremy

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From nathaniel at talbott.ws  Tue Jul  8 10:01:28 2008
From: nathaniel at talbott.ws (Nathaniel Talbott)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 10:01:28 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Ruby Hoedown travel plans
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References: <c2eae3390807070648rf0d69efjab58fae10ae86086@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Jeremy McAnally
<jeremymcanally at gmail.com> wrote:

> The Ramada is very close to the venue and VERY close to where we're
> probably having our Friday night dinner.  The Bevill Center Hotel is
> actually on campus but I'm not sure how nice it is.  I'll be going
> over there today I think so I'll try to check it out.

Hey Jeremy, did you get a chance to check out the Bevill?


-- 
Nathaniel Talbott
<:((><

From jeremymcanally at gmail.com  Tue Jul  8 11:20:49 2008
From: jeremymcanally at gmail.com (Jeremy McAnally)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 10:20:49 -0500
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Ruby Hoedown travel plans
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References: <c2eae3390807070648rf0d69efjab58fae10ae86086@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ce336a20807070753kd14c811x7fc016b3e28175ff@mail.gmail.com>
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I didn't actually; I found the price, though.  It's something like $85
a night.  From the pictures I've found, it appears to be very modest,
but if you're planning on hanging out a lot and need a place to sleep
it should work OK.

I think today is going to be my visit day, so I'll report back. :)

--Jeremy

On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Nathaniel Talbott <nathaniel at talbott.ws> wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Jeremy McAnally
> <jeremymcanally at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The Ramada is very close to the venue and VERY close to where we're
>> probably having our Friday night dinner.  The Bevill Center Hotel is
>> actually on campus but I'm not sure how nice it is.  I'll be going
>> over there today I think so I'll try to check it out.
>
> Hey Jeremy, did you get a chance to check out the Bevill?
>
>
> --
> Nathaniel Talbott
> <:((><
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From redinger at gmail.com  Sat Jul 12 21:48:21 2008
From: redinger at gmail.com (Christopher Redinger)
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 21:48:21 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Ruby Hoedown travel plans
In-Reply-To: <d878fe460807080820x2952926ufe85df1b9df239d2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c2eae3390807070648rf0d69efjab58fae10ae86086@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ce336a20807070753kd14c811x7fc016b3e28175ff@mail.gmail.com>
	<c2eae3390807070809v2f8b0c65v82d5c698cb38f490@mail.gmail.com>
	<d878fe460807070835od44a26bn8d2e1d4df6f0fd89@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ce336a20807080701v24b3aebcldf0a658067dbb5fd@mail.gmail.com>
	<d878fe460807080820x2952926ufe85df1b9df239d2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <681d4e8f0807121848g2076c0b1oe4b8d26585126f9f@mail.gmail.com>

Anybody looking for a roommate? I'll be in town Thursday and Friday
night. Will probably end up at the Courtyard unless someone already
has a room they are looking for a roommate for.

From pelargir at gmail.com  Tue Jul 15 10:33:10 2008
From: pelargir at gmail.com (Matthew Bass)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:33:10 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Pre-Meeting Chow
Message-ID: <c2eae3390807150733g5adbd85cjaca6b5bd7a3be7b5@mail.gmail.com>

As usual, anyone who's available is invited to join us at 5:30 tonight at
Baja Burrito (http://rubyurl.com/CGF) to grab dinner and some Ruby chatter
before heading over to Red Hat for the meeting.

While by no means required, a quick RSVP (just reply to this email with
"In!" or somesuch) would be great.

See you there,


Matthew
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From pelargir at gmail.com  Tue Jul 15 12:00:54 2008
From: pelargir at gmail.com (Matthew Bass)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:00:54 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Can someone bring a router tonight?
Message-ID: <c2eae3390807150900x4db64e62h7568479dae093215@mail.gmail.com>

Hey folks,

Nathaniel usually provides a router to hook up at our meetings so we have
wi-fi access. Since he's out of town, I need to get someone else to do this.
Does anyone have a spare wi-fi router they can bring tonight?


Thanks,
Matthew
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From pelargir at gmail.com  Tue Jul 15 12:01:00 2008
From: pelargir at gmail.com (Matthew Bass)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:01:00 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Can someone bring a router tonight?
Message-ID: <c2eae3390807150901r50f6d7c9ke20f32d96437c244@mail.gmail.com>

Hey folks,

Nathaniel usually provides a router to hook up at our meetings so we have
wi-fi access. Since he's out of town, I need to get someone else to do this.
Does anyone have a spare wi-fi router they can bring tonight?


Thanks,
Matthew
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From mikehale at gmail.com  Tue Jul 15 12:09:37 2008
From: mikehale at gmail.com (Michael Hale)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:09:37 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Can someone bring a router tonight?
In-Reply-To: <c2eae3390807150901r50f6d7c9ke20f32d96437c244@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c2eae3390807150901r50f6d7c9ke20f32d96437c244@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <60190a730807150909w22c77cd4o3c1aa85e76f7a3f5@mail.gmail.com>

I'll bring one.

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 12:01 PM, Matthew Bass <pelargir at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey folks,
>
> Nathaniel usually provides a router to hook up at our meetings so we have
> wi-fi access. Since he's out of town, I need to get someone else to do this.
> Does anyone have a spare wi-fi router they can bring tonight?
>
> Thanks,
> Matthew
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From seancribbs at gmail.com  Tue Jul 15 12:52:29 2008
From: seancribbs at gmail.com (Sean Cribbs)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:52:29 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Pre-Meeting Chow
In-Reply-To: <c2eae3390807150733g5adbd85cjaca6b5bd7a3be7b5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c2eae3390807150733g5adbd85cjaca6b5bd7a3be7b5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <487CD5CD.2010808@gmail.com>

I'm in.

Sean

Matthew Bass wrote:
> As usual, anyone who's available is invited to join us at 5:30 tonight 
> at Baja Burrito (http://rubyurl.com/CGF) to grab dinner and some Ruby 
> chatter before heading over to Red Hat for the meeting.
>
> While by no means required, a quick RSVP (just reply to this 
> email with "In!" or somesuch) would be great.
>
> See you there,
>
>  
> Matthew
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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From kevin at hypotheticalabs.com  Tue Jul 15 13:17:37 2008
From: kevin at hypotheticalabs.com (Kevin A. Smith)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:17:37 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Pre-Meeting Chow
In-Reply-To: <c2eae3390807150733g5adbd85cjaca6b5bd7a3be7b5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c2eae3390807150733g5adbd85cjaca6b5bd7a3be7b5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6ED55A28-4205-4193-9425-26E5EBE55E11@hypotheticalabs.com>

I'll be at the meeting but, sadly, will have to miss chow this time :(

--Kevin
On Jul 15, 2008, at 10:33 AM, Matthew Bass wrote:

> As usual, anyone who's available is invited to join us at 5:30  
> tonight at Baja Burrito (http://rubyurl.com/CGF) to grab dinner and  
> some Ruby chatter before heading over to Red Hat for the meeting.
>
> While by no means required, a quick RSVP (just reply to this email  
> with "In!" or somesuch) would be great.
>
> See you there,
>
>
> Matthew
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members


From robert.horvick at gmail.com  Tue Jul 15 14:48:33 2008
From: robert.horvick at gmail.com (Robert Horvick)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:48:33 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Pre-Meeting Chow
In-Reply-To: <487CD5CD.2010808@gmail.com>
References: <c2eae3390807150733g5adbd85cjaca6b5bd7a3be7b5@mail.gmail.com>
	<487CD5CD.2010808@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <faa96a2b0807151148j17b71f4aja7c7e3ae75e4518a@mail.gmail.com>

In.

Robert.

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 12:52 PM, Sean Cribbs <seancribbs at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm in.
>
> Sean
>
> Matthew Bass wrote:
>
>  As usual, anyone who's available is invited to join us at 5:30 tonight
> at Baja Burrito (http://rubyurl.com/CGF) to grab dinner and some Ruby
> chatter before heading over to Red Hat for the meeting.
>
> While by no means required, a quick RSVP (just reply to this email with
> "In!" or somesuch) would be great.
>
> See you there,
>
>
> Matthew
>
> ------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing listraleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.orghttp://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From seancribbs at gmail.com  Tue Jul 15 15:03:31 2008
From: seancribbs at gmail.com (Sean Cribbs)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:03:31 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Pre-Meeting Chow
In-Reply-To: <faa96a2b0807151148j17b71f4aja7c7e3ae75e4518a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c2eae3390807150733g5adbd85cjaca6b5bd7a3be7b5@mail.gmail.com>	<487CD5CD.2010808@gmail.com>
	<faa96a2b0807151148j17b71f4aja7c7e3ae75e4518a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <487CF483.4020409@gmail.com>

Quick question -- it's in the strip mall visible on Google Street View, 
right? (off to the left when going south on Avent Ferry Rd).  Sorry, I'm 
new to the area and coming from Kansas, things are much harder to see 
from the road than I'm used to.

Sean

Robert Horvick wrote:
> In.
>  
> Robert.
>
> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 12:52 PM, Sean Cribbs <seancribbs at gmail.com 
> <mailto:seancribbs at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     I'm in.
>
>     Sean
>
>     Matthew Bass wrote:
>>     As usual, anyone who's available is invited to join us at
>>     5:30 tonight at Baja Burrito (http://rubyurl.com/CGF) to grab
>>     dinner and some Ruby chatter before heading over to Red Hat for
>>     the meeting.
>>
>>     While by no means required, a quick RSVP (just reply to this
>>     email with "In!" or somesuch) would be great.
>>
>>     See you there,
>>
>>      
>>     Matthew
>>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>     _______________________________________________
>>     raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>>     raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org <mailto:raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org>
>>     http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>
>
>     _______________________________________________
>     raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>     raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>     <mailto:raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org>
>     http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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From steve.pinkham at gmail.com  Tue Jul 15 15:23:07 2008
From: steve.pinkham at gmail.com (Steve Pinkham)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:23:07 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Pre-Meeting Chow
In-Reply-To: <487CF483.4020409@gmail.com>
References: <c2eae3390807150733g5adbd85cjaca6b5bd7a3be7b5@mail.gmail.com>	<487CD5CD.2010808@gmail.com>
	<faa96a2b0807151148j17b71f4aja7c7e3ae75e4518a@mail.gmail.com>
	<487CF483.4020409@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <487CF91B.5070101@gmail.com>

Sean Cribbs wrote:
> Quick question -- it's in the strip mall visible on Google Street View,
> right? (off to the left when going south on Avent Ferry Rd).  Sorry, I'm
> new to the area and coming from Kansas, things are much harder to see
> from the road than I'm used to.
>
> Sean
>

Correct.
If you put this address in Google, it will take you to the opening of
the strip mall in street view.
2126 Avent Ferry Rd, Raleigh, NC
I've also updated the marker in Google, so soon the original link should
show the correct location for the entrance if it does not already.

Steve
-- 
 | Steven E. Pinkham                      |
 | Security Researcher, Maven Security    |
 | steve.pinkham at mavensecurity.com        |
 | GPG public key ID CD31CAFB             |

From pelargir at gmail.com  Tue Jul 15 15:24:46 2008
From: pelargir at gmail.com (Matthew Bass)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:24:46 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Pre-Meeting Chow
In-Reply-To: <487CF483.4020409@gmail.com>
References: <c2eae3390807150733g5adbd85cjaca6b5bd7a3be7b5@mail.gmail.com>
	<487CD5CD.2010808@gmail.com>
	<faa96a2b0807151148j17b71f4aja7c7e3ae75e4518a@mail.gmail.com>
	<487CF483.4020409@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c2eae3390807151224j2bb29577p8607070d866951d8@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, to the left when going south. It's underneath the big antenna tower,
pretty much.

I know exactly how you feel. Used to live in Colorado myself, things are
much easier to see out there. And all the roads actually make sense...
straight grid layout. Not like here. :)


Matthew


On 7/15/08, Sean Cribbs <seancribbs at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Quick question -- it's in the strip mall visible on Google Street View,
> right? (off to the left when going south on Avent Ferry Rd).  Sorry, I'm new
> to the area and coming from Kansas, things are much harder to see from the
> road than I'm used to.
>
> Sean
>
> Robert Horvick wrote:
>
>  In.
>
> Robert.
>
>  On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 12:52 PM, Sean Cribbs <seancribbs at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I'm in.
>>
>> Sean
>>
>> Matthew Bass wrote:
>>
>>  As usual, anyone who's available is invited to join us at 5:30 tonight
>> at Baja Burrito (http://rubyurl.com/CGF) to grab dinner and some Ruby
>> chatter before heading over to Red Hat for the meeting.
>>
>> While by no means required, a quick RSVP (just reply to this email with
>> "In!" or somesuch) would be great.
>>
>> See you there,
>>
>>
>> Matthew
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> _______________________________________________
>> raleigh-rb-members mailing listraleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.orghttp://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>>
>
>  ------------------------------
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing listraleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.orghttp://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>
>
>
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From mikehale at gmail.com  Tue Jul 15 15:29:19 2008
From: mikehale at gmail.com (Michael Hale)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:29:19 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Pre-Meeting Chow
In-Reply-To: <487CF483.4020409@gmail.com>
References: <c2eae3390807150733g5adbd85cjaca6b5bd7a3be7b5@mail.gmail.com>
	<487CD5CD.2010808@gmail.com>
	<faa96a2b0807151148j17b71f4aja7c7e3ae75e4518a@mail.gmail.com>
	<487CF483.4020409@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <60190a730807151229p78f43e7exd531e74f06d38fcf@mail.gmail.com>

Pretty much. This map shows the exact location (when in satellite
view). It's easier to get out of the shopping center if you park on
the other side of the building from the resturant. There is a breezway
in the middle of the building so you don't have to walk all the way
around.

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=104184349049803452046.00044fe0625d3de05b120&ll=35.779795,-78.674651&spn=0.002846,0.003932&t=k&z=18

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 3:03 PM, Sean Cribbs <seancribbs at gmail.com> wrote:
> Quick question -- it's in the strip mall visible on Google Street View,
> right? (off to the left when going south on Avent Ferry Rd).  Sorry, I'm new
> to the area and coming from Kansas, things are much harder to see from the
> road than I'm used to.
>
> Sean
>
> Robert Horvick wrote:
>
> In.
>
> Robert.
>
> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 12:52 PM, Sean Cribbs <seancribbs at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'm in.
>>
>> Sean
>>
>> Matthew Bass wrote:
>>
>> As usual, anyone who's available is invited to join us at 5:30 tonight
>> at Baja Burrito (http://rubyurl.com/CGF) to grab dinner and some Ruby
>> chatter before heading over to Red Hat for the meeting.
>>
>> While by no means required, a quick RSVP (just reply to this email with
>> "In!" or somesuch) would be great.
>>
>> See you there,
>>
>>
>> Matthew
>>
>> ________________________________
>> _______________________________________________
>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>
> ________________________________
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>

From lists-jared at nc.rr.com  Tue Jul 15 15:31:06 2008
From: lists-jared at nc.rr.com (Jared)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:31:06 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Pre-Meeting Chow
In-Reply-To: <487CF483.4020409@gmail.com>
References: <c2eae3390807150733g5adbd85cjaca6b5bd7a3be7b5@mail.gmail.com>	<487CD5CD.2010808@gmail.com>
	<faa96a2b0807151148j17b71f4aja7c7e3ae75e4518a@mail.gmail.com>
	<487CF483.4020409@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2301397D-A3D2-4905-863D-DA36990CE0CC@nc.rr.com>


On Jul 15, 2008, at 3:03 PM, Sean Cribbs wrote:

> I'm new to the area and coming from Kansas

Dude, you've waited too long... you could leave right now and not make  
it in time for the meeting. Kansas is just too far of a drive.

(ducking, listening for groans)

Jared

From seancribbs at gmail.com  Tue Jul 15 15:34:09 2008
From: seancribbs at gmail.com (Sean Cribbs)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:34:09 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Pre-Meeting Chow
In-Reply-To: <60190a730807151229p78f43e7exd531e74f06d38fcf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c2eae3390807150733g5adbd85cjaca6b5bd7a3be7b5@mail.gmail.com>	<487CD5CD.2010808@gmail.com>	<faa96a2b0807151148j17b71f4aja7c7e3ae75e4518a@mail.gmail.com>	<487CF483.4020409@gmail.com>
	<60190a730807151229p78f43e7exd531e74f06d38fcf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <487CFBB1.2030800@gmail.com>

Awesome.  Whatever did we do before Google Maps? Oh, yeah, we got lost!

Sean

Michael Hale wrote:
> Pretty much. This map shows the exact location (when in satellite
> view). It's easier to get out of the shopping center if you park on
> the other side of the building from the resturant. There is a breezway
> in the middle of the building so you don't have to walk all the way
> around.
>
> http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=104184349049803452046.00044fe0625d3de05b120&ll=35.779795,-78.674651&spn=0.002846,0.003932&t=k&z=18
>
> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 3:03 PM, Sean Cribbs <seancribbs at gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> Quick question -- it's in the strip mall visible on Google Street View,
>> right? (off to the left when going south on Avent Ferry Rd).  Sorry, I'm new
>> to the area and coming from Kansas, things are much harder to see from the
>> road than I'm used to.
>>
>> Sean
>>
>> Robert Horvick wrote:
>>
>> In.
>>
>> Robert.
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 12:52 PM, Sean Cribbs <seancribbs at gmail.com> wrote:
>>     
>>> I'm in.
>>>
>>> Sean
>>>
>>> Matthew Bass wrote:
>>>
>>> As usual, anyone who's available is invited to join us at 5:30 tonight
>>> at Baja Burrito (http://rubyurl.com/CGF) to grab dinner and some Ruby
>>> chatter before heading over to Red Hat for the meeting.
>>>
>>> While by no means required, a quick RSVP (just reply to this email with
>>> "In!" or somesuch) would be great.
>>>
>>> See you there,
>>>
>>>
>>> Matthew
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>>>       
>> ________________________________
>> _______________________________________________
>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>>
>>     
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
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From BeLucid at acm.org  Tue Jul 15 16:07:44 2008
From: BeLucid at acm.org (Sean Johnson)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 16:07:44 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Pre-Meeting Chow
In-Reply-To: <487CFBB1.2030800@gmail.com>
References: <c2eae3390807150733g5adbd85cjaca6b5bd7a3be7b5@mail.gmail.com>	<487CD5CD.2010808@gmail.com>	<faa96a2b0807151148j17b71f4aja7c7e3ae75e4518a@mail.gmail.com>	<487CF483.4020409@gmail.com>	<60190a730807151229p78f43e7exd531e74f06d38fcf@mail.gmail.com>
	<487CFBB1.2030800@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <487D0390.5030101@acm.org>

No, no, no.... We got lost and WE LIKED IT, SMART ASS!

Sean Cribbs wrote:
> Awesome.  Whatever did we do before Google Maps? Oh, yeah, we got lost!
>
> Sean
>
> Michael Hale wrote:
>> Pretty much. This map shows the exact location (when in satellite
>> view). It's easier to get out of the shopping center if you park on
>> the other side of the building from the resturant. There is a breezway
>> in the middle of the building so you don't have to walk all the way
>> around.
>>
>> http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=104184349049803452046.00044fe0625d3de05b120&ll=35.779795,-78.674651&spn=0.002846,0.003932&t=k&z=18
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 3:03 PM, Sean Cribbs <seancribbs at gmail.com> wrote:
>>   
>>> Quick question -- it's in the strip mall visible on Google Street View,
>>> right? (off to the left when going south on Avent Ferry Rd).  Sorry, I'm new
>>> to the area and coming from Kansas, things are much harder to see from the
>>> road than I'm used to.
>>>
>>> Sean
>>>
>>> Robert Horvick wrote:
>>>
>>> In.
>>>
>>> Robert.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 12:52 PM, Sean Cribbs <seancribbs at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>     
>>>> I'm in.
>>>>
>>>> Sean
>>>>
>>>> Matthew Bass wrote:
>>>>
>>>> As usual, anyone who's available is invited to join us at 5:30 tonight
>>>> at Baja Burrito (http://rubyurl.com/CGF) to grab dinner and some Ruby
>>>> chatter before heading over to Red Hat for the meeting.
>>>>
>>>> While by no means required, a quick RSVP (just reply to this email with
>>>> "In!" or somesuch) would be great.
>>>>
>>>> See you there,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Matthew
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>>>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>>>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>>>>       
>>> ________________________________
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>>>
>>>     
>> _______________________________________________
>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>>
>>   
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members

From info at applicationarch.com  Wed Jul 16 21:30:33 2008
From: info at applicationarch.com (Chris Kubica, PMP)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:30:33 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] <no subject>
Message-ID: <C4A418F9.74000%info@applicationarch.com>

Hi, all,

I'm new to Rails. I'm trying to build Web sites with it with FileMaker as
the back-end database (for starters).

Any of you in Chapel Hill?

Thanks for this list as a resource.

Sincerely,
 
Chris Kubica
President, Founder

Application Architects

1-888-896-4608 (Ph/Fax)
1-202-280-2042 (Int'l Ph/Fax)

http://www.applicationarch.com

Certified FileMaker Developer
FileMaker Business Alliance (FBA) Member
Certified Project Management Professional (PMP)

FDA, Part 11, GxP, HIPAA and SOX Compliance Experts




From seancribbs at gmail.com  Wed Jul 16 22:56:20 2008
From: seancribbs at gmail.com (Sean Cribbs)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:56:20 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] <no subject>
In-Reply-To: <C4A418F9.74000%info@applicationarch.com>
References: <C4A418F9.74000%info@applicationarch.com>
Message-ID: <487EB4D4.6010008@gmail.com>

Chris,

There is no native support for FileMaker, but if it supports a modern 
dialect of SQL, one should be able to build an adapter for it.  The 
greater question is how one would deploy said database. An XServe? Or 
are you intending to use FileMaker as a front-end for a traditional DB 
like MS SQL Server, MySQL, or Oracle?

Sean Cribbs
(in Chapel Hill, incidentally)

Chris Kubica, PMP wrote:
> Hi, all,
>
> I'm new to Rails. I'm trying to build Web sites with it with FileMaker as
> the back-end database (for starters).
>
> Any of you in Chapel Hill?
>
> Thanks for this list as a resource.
>
> Sincerely,
>  
> Chris Kubica
> President, Founder
>
> Application Architects
>
> 1-888-896-4608 (Ph/Fax)
> 1-202-280-2042 (Int'l Ph/Fax)
>
> http://www.applicationarch.com
>
> Certified FileMaker Developer
> FileMaker Business Alliance (FBA) Member
> Certified Project Management Professional (PMP)
>
> FDA, Part 11, GxP, HIPAA and SOX Compliance Experts
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>
>   


From info at applicationarch.com  Thu Jul 17 00:27:33 2008
From: info at applicationarch.com (Chris Kubica, PMP)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 00:27:33 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] <no subject>
In-Reply-To: <487EB4D4.6010008@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C4A44275.74046%info@applicationarch.com>

Sean,

Hi!

Well, there is a reliable API (though it doesn't do ActiveRecord):

http://sixfriedrice.com/wp/products/rfm/

It is great, works well and is stable. Generally with FileMaker you use
FMP/FM Server to deploy a database to users and then something else (PHP,
Rails, ASP or whatever) to Webify what you need.

I do recommend Xserves, though it does run on Win Server 2003.

Sincerely,
 
Chris Kubica
President, Founder

Application Architects

1-888-896-4608 (Ph/Fax)
1-202-280-2042 (Int'l Ph/Fax)

http://www.applicationarch.com

Certified FileMaker Developer
FileMaker Business Alliance (FBA) Member

FDA, Part 11, GxP, HIPAA and SOX Compliance Experts




> From: Sean Cribbs <seancribbs at gmail.com>
> Reply-To: "The mailing list of raleigh.rb" <raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org>
> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:56:20 -0400
> To: "The mailing list of raleigh.rb" <raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org>
> Subject: Re: [raleigh.rb] <no subject>
> 
> Chris,
> 
> There is no native support for FileMaker, but if it supports a modern
> dialect of SQL, one should be able to build an adapter for it.  The
> greater question is how one would deploy said database. An XServe? Or
> are you intending to use FileMaker as a front-end for a traditional DB
> like MS SQL Server, MySQL, or Oracle?
> 
> Sean Cribbs
> (in Chapel Hill, incidentally)
> 
> Chris Kubica, PMP wrote:
>> Hi, all,
>> 
>> I'm new to Rails. I'm trying to build Web sites with it with FileMaker as
>> the back-end database (for starters).
>> 
>> Any of you in Chapel Hill?
>> 
>> Thanks for this list as a resource.
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>>  
>> Chris Kubica
>> President, Founder
>> 
>> Application Architects
>> 
>> 1-888-896-4608 (Ph/Fax)
>> 1-202-280-2042 (Int'l Ph/Fax)
>> 
>> http://www.applicationarch.com
>> 
>> Certified FileMaker Developer
>> FileMaker Business Alliance (FBA) Member
>> Certified Project Management Professional (PMP)
>> 
>> FDA, Part 11, GxP, HIPAA and SOX Compliance Experts
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>> 
>>   
> 
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From seancribbs at gmail.com  Tue Jul 22 11:35:14 2008
From: seancribbs at gmail.com (Sean Cribbs)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:35:14 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Nomading/Coffee in CH
Message-ID: <4885FE32.2000803@gmail.com>

Anyone who is in Chapel Hill/Carrboro area (or who would come here) and 
is interested in working at a cafe about once or twice a week, please 
drop me a line.  I'm getting cabin fever!

Sean

From brianauton at gmail.com  Tue Jul 22 12:01:51 2008
From: brianauton at gmail.com (Brian Auton)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 12:01:51 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Nomading/Coffee in CH
In-Reply-To: <4885FE32.2000803@gmail.com>
References: <4885FE32.2000803@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c215570a0807220901o72ab36e1kc4c1877a4ab740bf@mail.gmail.com>

Sure, that sounds like a great idea. I work from Open Eye Cafe fairly often,
and I'm sure there are other places that would be good too.  Any day of the
week is fine with me.

Brian


On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Sean Cribbs <seancribbs at gmail.com> wrote:

> Anyone who is in Chapel Hill/Carrboro area (or who would come here) and is
> interested in working at a cafe about once or twice a week, please drop me a
> line.  I'm getting cabin fever!
>
> Sean
> _______________________________________________
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> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
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From info at applicationarch.com  Tue Jul 22 12:23:03 2008
From: info at applicationarch.com (Chris Kubica, PMP)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 12:23:03 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Nomading/Coffee in CH
In-Reply-To: <4885FE32.2000803@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C4AB81A7.74FA1%info@applicationarch.com>

I'm in Chapel Hill. By working do you mean working together on stuff,
working next to each other, formal meetings...or something else?

Sincerely,
 
Chris Kubica
President, Founder

Application Architects

1-888-896-4608 (Ph/Fax)
1-202-280-2042 (Int'l Ph/Fax)

http://www.applicationarch.com

Certified FileMaker Developer
FileMaker Business Alliance (FBA) Member

FDA, Part 11, GxP, HIPAA and SOX Compliance Experts




> From: Sean Cribbs <seancribbs at gmail.com>
> Reply-To: "The mailing list of raleigh.rb" <raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org>
> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:35:14 -0400
> To: "The mailing list of raleigh.rb" <raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org>
> Subject: [raleigh.rb] Nomading/Coffee in CH
> 
> Anyone who is in Chapel Hill/Carrboro area (or who would come here) and
> is interested in working at a cafe about once or twice a week, please
> drop me a line.  I'm getting cabin fever!
> 
> Sean
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members



From seancribbs at gmail.com  Tue Jul 22 12:32:20 2008
From: seancribbs at gmail.com (Sean Cribbs)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 12:32:20 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Nomading/Coffee in CH
In-Reply-To: <C4AB81A7.74FA1%info@applicationarch.com>
References: <C4AB81A7.74FA1%info@applicationarch.com>
Message-ID: <48860B94.3050400@gmail.com>

I'm mainly seeking the company of like-minded people and an excuse to 
get out of the house.

Sean

Chris Kubica, PMP wrote:
> I'm in Chapel Hill. By working do you mean working together on stuff,
> working next to each other, formal meetings...or something else?
>
> Sincerely,
>  
> Chris Kubica
> President, Founder
>
> Application Architects
>
> 1-888-896-4608 (Ph/Fax)
> 1-202-280-2042 (Int'l Ph/Fax)
>
> http://www.applicationarch.com
>
> Certified FileMaker Developer
> FileMaker Business Alliance (FBA) Member
>
> FDA, Part 11, GxP, HIPAA and SOX Compliance Experts
>
>
>
>
>   
>> From: Sean Cribbs <seancribbs at gmail.com>
>> Reply-To: "The mailing list of raleigh.rb" <raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org>
>> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:35:14 -0400
>> To: "The mailing list of raleigh.rb" <raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org>
>> Subject: [raleigh.rb] Nomading/Coffee in CH
>>
>> Anyone who is in Chapel Hill/Carrboro area (or who would come here) and
>> is interested in working at a cafe about once or twice a week, please
>> drop me a line.  I'm getting cabin fever!
>>
>> Sean
>> _______________________________________________
>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>>     
>
>
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From tj at stank.us  Tue Jul 22 12:44:02 2008
From: tj at stank.us (TJ Stankus)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 12:44:02 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Nomading/Coffee in CH
In-Reply-To: <48860B94.3050400@gmail.com>
References: <C4AB81A7.74FA1%info@applicationarch.com>
	<48860B94.3050400@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f25a5bb60807220944t1196ff90vcd999ab660c8c615@mail.gmail.com>

> I'm mainly seeking the company of like-minded people and an excuse to get
> out of the house.
>
> Sean

I typically nomad around CH 1-2 times/week. But I'm out most of this
week. So I'll likely do it again next week.

But, yeah, I'm with you. It'd be nice to have some company. Maybe we
should setup a group of some sort so we can plan to get together.
Twitter? I also use brightkite, but I don't think it has a planning
feature.

-TJ

From jrubyforge-raleigh-rb at indythinker.com  Tue Jul 22 16:06:25 2008
From: jrubyforge-raleigh-rb at indythinker.com (Justis Peters)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:06:25 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Nomading/Coffee in CH
In-Reply-To: <f25a5bb60807220944t1196ff90vcd999ab660c8c615@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C4AB81A7.74FA1%info@applicationarch.com>	<48860B94.3050400@gmail.com>
	<f25a5bb60807220944t1196ff90vcd999ab660c8c615@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48863DC1.5080407@indythinker.com>

TJ Stankus wrote:
>> I'm mainly seeking the company of like-minded people and an excuse to get
>> out of the house.
>>
>> Sean
>>     
> I typically nomad around CH 1-2 times/week. But I'm out most of this
> week. So I'll likely do it again next week.
>
> But, yeah, I'm with you. It'd be nice to have some company. Maybe we
> should setup a group of some sort so we can plan to get together.
> Twitter? I also use brightkite, but I don't think it has a planning
> feature.
>   
If this interests you Chapel Hill and Carrboro folks, Brian Russell is 
launching a coworking facility in Carrboro. See here for more info: 
http://www.carrborocoworking.com/

I don't know when they're opening, but it might be worth keeping up with 
the mailing list. Sounds like a good place to plan some nomad events to 
coffeeshops and attract more like-minded people.

I live in Raleigh, so it's a little far away for me.

Kind regards,
Justis Peters
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From seancribbs at gmail.com  Tue Jul 22 22:44:22 2008
From: seancribbs at gmail.com (Sean Cribbs)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:44:22 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Nomading/Coffee in CH
In-Reply-To: <48863DC1.5080407@indythinker.com>
References: <C4AB81A7.74FA1%info@applicationarch.com>	<48860B94.3050400@gmail.com>	<f25a5bb60807220944t1196ff90vcd999ab660c8c615@mail.gmail.com>
	<48863DC1.5080407@indythinker.com>
Message-ID: <48869B06.8060505@gmail.com>

Yes, I've been watching that.  I've decided I'll be nomading on Thursday 
this week. Open Eye Cafe should be fine, unless someone has a better 
suggestion.  I'll probably be there around 9 or 9:30AM, leaving late 
afternoon (4 or 5pm).  I'm open to changing locales if it doesn't work out.

Sean
.
Justis Peters wrote:
> If this interests you Chapel Hill and Carrboro folks, Brian Russell is 
> launching a coworking facility in Carrboro. See here for more info: 
> http://www.carrborocoworking.com/
>
> I don't know when they're opening, but it might be worth keeping up 
> with the mailing list. Sounds like a good place to plan some nomad 
> events to coffeeshops and attract more like-minded people.
>
> I live in Raleigh, so it's a little far away for me.
>
> Kind regards,
> Justis Peters
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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From seancribbs at gmail.com  Wed Jul 23 11:00:40 2008
From: seancribbs at gmail.com (Sean Cribbs)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:00:40 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Freelancers Standup (was Re:  Nomading/Coffee in CH)
In-Reply-To: <48863DC1.5080407@indythinker.com>
References: <C4AB81A7.74FA1%info@applicationarch.com>	<48860B94.3050400@gmail.com>	<f25a5bb60807220944t1196ff90vcd999ab660c8c615@mail.gmail.com>
	<48863DC1.5080407@indythinker.com>
Message-ID: <48874798.6080304@gmail.com>

On that note, some friends and I run a "freelancers standup" meeting 
every morning around 11:30 on Skype.  Like a real standup meeting, we 
limit each person to a 2-minute status report about what they're working 
on.  If anyone would like to join us, please drop me a line.

Sean

Justis Peters wrote:
> TJ Stankus wrote:
>>> I'm mainly seeking the company of like-minded people and an excuse to get
>>> out of the house.
>>>
>>> Sean
>>>     
>> I typically nomad around CH 1-2 times/week. But I'm out most of this
>> week. So I'll likely do it again next week.
>>
>> But, yeah, I'm with you. It'd be nice to have some company. Maybe we
>> should setup a group of some sort so we can plan to get together.
>> Twitter? I also use brightkite, but I don't think it has a planning
>> feature.
>>   
> If this interests you Chapel Hill and Carrboro folks, Brian Russell is 
> launching a coworking facility in Carrboro. See here for more info: 
> http://www.carrborocoworking.com/
>
> I don't know when they're opening, but it might be worth keeping up 
> with the mailing list. Sounds like a good place to plan some nomad 
> events to coffeeshops and attract more like-minded people.
>
> I live in Raleigh, so it's a little far away for me.
>
> Kind regards,
> Justis Peters
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members

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From brianauton at gmail.com  Wed Jul 23 12:57:47 2008
From: brianauton at gmail.com (Brian Auton)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:57:47 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Nomading/Coffee in CH
In-Reply-To: <48869B06.8060505@gmail.com>
References: <C4AB81A7.74FA1%info@applicationarch.com>
	<48860B94.3050400@gmail.com>
	<f25a5bb60807220944t1196ff90vcd999ab660c8c615@mail.gmail.com>
	<48863DC1.5080407@indythinker.com> <48869B06.8060505@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c215570a0807230957l1e9e436an462cb92e75ba9176@mail.gmail.com>

Sounds good; I'll come by Open Eye tomorrow morning, probably a bit later
than that.  Anyone else?

Brian


On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 10:44 PM, Sean Cribbs <seancribbs at gmail.com> wrote:

>  Yes, I've been watching that.  I've decided I'll be nomading on Thursday
> this week. Open Eye Cafe should be fine, unless someone has a better
> suggestion.  I'll probably be there around 9 or 9:30AM, leaving late
> afternoon (4 or 5pm).  I'm open to changing locales if it doesn't work out.
>
> Sean
> .
> Justis Peters wrote:
>
> If this interests you Chapel Hill and Carrboro folks, Brian Russell is
> launching a coworking facility in Carrboro. See here for more info:
> http://www.carrborocoworking.com/
>
> I don't know when they're opening, but it might be worth keeping up with
> the mailing list. Sounds like a good place to plan some nomad events to
> coffeeshops and attract more like-minded people.
>
> I live in Raleigh, so it's a little far away for me.
>
> Kind regards,
> Justis Peters
>
> ------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing listraleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.orghttp://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>
>
>
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From kevin at hypotheticalabs.com  Wed Jul 23 13:27:14 2008
From: kevin at hypotheticalabs.com (Kevin A. Smith)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:27:14 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Nomading/Coffee in CH
In-Reply-To: <48863DC1.5080407@indythinker.com>
References: <C4AB81A7.74FA1%info@applicationarch.com>	<48860B94.3050400@gmail.com>
	<f25a5bb60807220944t1196ff90vcd999ab660c8c615@mail.gmail.com>
	<48863DC1.5080407@indythinker.com>
Message-ID: <EE67605E-BFF4-4E9F-AC10-CF3CC14B92EE@hypotheticalabs.com>

Anyone interested in co-working in Raleigh? I nomad quite a bit in  
Raleigh proper. I'd love the opportunity to meet other developers in  
the area. Hacking by myself either in cafes or at home is starting to  
get old :-)

--Kevin
On Jul 22, 2008, at 4:06 PM, Justis Peters wrote:

> TJ Stankus wrote:
>>
>>> I'm mainly seeking the company of like-minded people and an excuse  
>>> to get
>>> out of the house.
>>>
>>> Sean
>>>
>> I typically nomad around CH 1-2 times/week. But I'm out most of this
>> week. So I'll likely do it again next week.
>>
>> But, yeah, I'm with you. It'd be nice to have some company. Maybe we
>> should setup a group of some sort so we can plan to get together.
>> Twitter? I also use brightkite, but I don't think it has a planning
>> feature.
>>
> If this interests you Chapel Hill and Carrboro folks, Brian Russell  
> is launching a coworking facility in Carrboro. See here for more  
> info: http://www.carrborocoworking.com/
>
> I don't know when they're opening, but it might be worth keeping up  
> with the mailing list. Sounds like a good place to plan some nomad  
> events to coffeeshops and attract more like-minded people.
>
> I live in Raleigh, so it's a little far away for me.
>
> Kind regards,
> Justis Peters
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members


From jrubyforge-raleigh-rb at indythinker.com  Wed Jul 23 14:38:25 2008
From: jrubyforge-raleigh-rb at indythinker.com (Justis Peters)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:38:25 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Nomading/Coffee in CH
In-Reply-To: <EE67605E-BFF4-4E9F-AC10-CF3CC14B92EE@hypotheticalabs.com>
References: <C4AB81A7.74FA1%info@applicationarch.com>	<48860B94.3050400@gmail.com>	<f25a5bb60807220944t1196ff90vcd999ab660c8c615@mail.gmail.com>	<48863DC1.5080407@indythinker.com>
	<EE67605E-BFF4-4E9F-AC10-CF3CC14B92EE@hypotheticalabs.com>
Message-ID: <48877AA1.6080504@indythinker.com>

Kevin A. Smith wrote:
> Anyone interested in co-working in Raleigh? I nomad quite a bit in 
> Raleigh proper. I'd love the opportunity to meet other developers in 
> the area. Hacking by myself either in cafes or at home is starting to 
> get old :-)
>
> --Kevin
There are quite a few people who go to Helios Coffee in order to work. 
There are also a few who have befriended Edge Office and have permission 
to work at some extra tables they have there. I know someone who is 
considering launching a formal coworking facility in Raleigh. If I get 
more details, I'll let you know.

Anybody who wants to meet up at Helios, just say the word. My work 
location is flexible on most days of the week.

Kind regards,
Justis

From mshiltonj at gmail.com  Wed Jul 23 14:43:39 2008
From: mshiltonj at gmail.com (Steven Hilton)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:43:39 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Nomading/Coffee in CH
In-Reply-To: <48877AA1.6080504@indythinker.com>
References: <C4AB81A7.74FA1%info@applicationarch.com>
	<48860B94.3050400@gmail.com>
	<f25a5bb60807220944t1196ff90vcd999ab660c8c615@mail.gmail.com>
	<48863DC1.5080407@indythinker.com>
	<EE67605E-BFF4-4E9F-AC10-CF3CC14B92EE@hypotheticalabs.com>
	<48877AA1.6080504@indythinker.com>
Message-ID: <8308260d0807231143j6996dba7k570bff807c39c9e4@mail.gmail.com>

I'd love to you join you guys, but that puts the cart before the horse
in my case. How do you freelance types drum up projects? I need to
know so I can build that up and thus escape my sad corporate worker
drone life. Prolly a different thread needed, but I sure am jealous.

- Steven

On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Justis Peters
<jrubyforge-raleigh-rb at indythinker.com> wrote:
> Kevin A. Smith wrote:
>>
>> Anyone interested in co-working in Raleigh? I nomad quite a bit in Raleigh
>> proper. I'd love the opportunity to meet other developers in the area.
>> Hacking by myself either in cafes or at home is starting to get old :-)
>>
>> --Kevin
>
> There are quite a few people who go to Helios Coffee in order to work. There
> are also a few who have befriended Edge Office and have permission to work
> at some extra tables they have there. I know someone who is considering
> launching a formal coworking facility in Raleigh. If I get more details,
> I'll let you know.
>
> Anybody who wants to meet up at Helios, just say the word. My work location
> is flexible on most days of the week.
>
> Kind regards,
> Justis
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>



-- 
Steven Hilton <mshiltonj at gmail.com>
<http://mshiltonj.com/>

"It is the duty of the patriot to protect
 his country from its government." -- Thomas Paine

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
 will make violent revolution inevitable." -- John F. Kennedy

"There is no heart so black
 as the black, black heart
 of the phony leper." -- Adrian Monk

From kevin at hypotheticalabs.com  Wed Jul 23 14:50:58 2008
From: kevin at hypotheticalabs.com (Kevin A. Smith)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:50:58 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Nomading/Coffee in CH
In-Reply-To: <8308260d0807231143j6996dba7k570bff807c39c9e4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C4AB81A7.74FA1%info@applicationarch.com>
	<48860B94.3050400@gmail.com>
	<f25a5bb60807220944t1196ff90vcd999ab660c8c615@mail.gmail.com>
	<48863DC1.5080407@indythinker.com>
	<EE67605E-BFF4-4E9F-AC10-CF3CC14B92EE@hypotheticalabs.com>
	<48877AA1.6080504@indythinker.com>
	<8308260d0807231143j6996dba7k570bff807c39c9e4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <66156E46-AA1E-49EF-94AD-46C744926B71@hypotheticalabs.com>

Technically, I'm not a free-lancer but a full-time remotee for Engine  
Yard so I don't have to worry about drumming up work. My work  
environment is pretty flexible -- all I need is my laptop and wifi --  
so I can work from almost anywhere.

Being full-time remote does leave me craving the company of other  
humans from time to time, though.

--Kevin
On Jul 23, 2008, at 2:43 PM, Steven Hilton wrote:

> I'd love to you join you guys, but that puts the cart before the horse
> in my case. How do you freelance types drum up projects? I need to
> know so I can build that up and thus escape my sad corporate worker
> drone life. Prolly a different thread needed, but I sure am jealous.
>
> - Steven
>
> On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Justis Peters
> <jrubyforge-raleigh-rb at indythinker.com> wrote:
>> Kevin A. Smith wrote:
>>>
>>> Anyone interested in co-working in Raleigh? I nomad quite a bit in  
>>> Raleigh
>>> proper. I'd love the opportunity to meet other developers in the  
>>> area.
>>> Hacking by myself either in cafes or at home is starting to get  
>>> old :-)
>>>
>>> --Kevin
>>
>> There are quite a few people who go to Helios Coffee in order to  
>> work. There
>> are also a few who have befriended Edge Office and have permission  
>> to work
>> at some extra tables they have there. I know someone who is  
>> considering
>> launching a formal coworking facility in Raleigh. If I get more  
>> details,
>> I'll let you know.
>>
>> Anybody who wants to meet up at Helios, just say the word. My work  
>> location
>> is flexible on most days of the week.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Justis
>> _______________________________________________
>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Steven Hilton <mshiltonj at gmail.com>
> <http://mshiltonj.com/>
>
> "It is the duty of the patriot to protect
> his country from its government." -- Thomas Paine
>
> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
> will make violent revolution inevitable." -- John F. Kennedy
>
> "There is no heart so black
> as the black, black heart
> of the phony leper." -- Adrian Monk
> _______________________________________________
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From mikehale at gmail.com  Wed Jul 23 15:10:02 2008
From: mikehale at gmail.com (Michael Hale)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:10:02 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Nomading/Coffee in CH
In-Reply-To: <48877AA1.6080504@indythinker.com>
References: <C4AB81A7.74FA1%info@applicationarch.com>
	<48860B94.3050400@gmail.com>
	<f25a5bb60807220944t1196ff90vcd999ab660c8c615@mail.gmail.com>
	<48863DC1.5080407@indythinker.com>
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Hey Justis,

I was planning to nomad at helios on Friday. Any tips on parking?

On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Justis Peters
<jrubyforge-raleigh-rb at indythinker.com> wrote:
> Kevin A. Smith wrote:
>>
>> Anyone interested in co-working in Raleigh? I nomad quite a bit in Raleigh
>> proper. I'd love the opportunity to meet other developers in the area.
>> Hacking by myself either in cafes or at home is starting to get old :-)
>>
>> --Kevin
>
> There are quite a few people who go to Helios Coffee in order to work. There
> are also a few who have befriended Edge Office and have permission to work
> at some extra tables they have there. I know someone who is considering
> launching a formal coworking facility in Raleigh. If I get more details,
> I'll let you know.
>
> Anybody who wants to meet up at Helios, just say the word. My work location
> is flexible on most days of the week.
>
> Kind regards,
> Justis
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>

From fmedlin at gmail.com  Wed Jul 23 15:11:39 2008
From: fmedlin at gmail.com (Fred Medlin)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:11:39 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Nomading/Coffee in CH
In-Reply-To: <60190a730807231210h3d6adaa9i2a1de30ebca49949@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C4AB81A7.74FA1%info@applicationarch.com>
	<48860B94.3050400@gmail.com>
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	<48863DC1.5080407@indythinker.com>
	<EE67605E-BFF4-4E9F-AC10-CF3CC14B92EE@hypotheticalabs.com>
	<48877AA1.6080504@indythinker.com>
	<60190a730807231210h3d6adaa9i2a1de30ebca49949@mail.gmail.com>
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I'm up for helios on Friday, too.

On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 3:10 PM, Michael Hale <mikehale at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey Justis,
>
> I was planning to nomad at helios on Friday. Any tips on parking?
>
> On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Justis Peters
> <jrubyforge-raleigh-rb at indythinker.com> wrote:
> > Kevin A. Smith wrote:
> >>
> >> Anyone interested in co-working in Raleigh? I nomad quite a bit in
> Raleigh
> >> proper. I'd love the opportunity to meet other developers in the area.
> >> Hacking by myself either in cafes or at home is starting to get old :-)
> >>
> >> --Kevin
> >
> > There are quite a few people who go to Helios Coffee in order to work.
> There
> > are also a few who have befriended Edge Office and have permission to
> work
> > at some extra tables they have there. I know someone who is considering
> > launching a formal coworking facility in Raleigh. If I get more details,
> > I'll let you know.
> >
> > Anybody who wants to meet up at Helios, just say the word. My work
> location
> > is flexible on most days of the week.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Justis
> > _______________________________________________
> > raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
> >
> _______________________________________________
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> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
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From kevin at hypotheticalabs.com  Wed Jul 23 15:25:43 2008
From: kevin at hypotheticalabs.com (Kevin A. Smith)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:25:43 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Nomading/Coffee in CH
In-Reply-To: <579ca95c0807231211q1566196bt7260fcdad5a8d0d0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C4AB81A7.74FA1%info@applicationarch.com>
	<48860B94.3050400@gmail.com>
	<f25a5bb60807220944t1196ff90vcd999ab660c8c615@mail.gmail.com>
	<48863DC1.5080407@indythinker.com>
	<EE67605E-BFF4-4E9F-AC10-CF3CC14B92EE@hypotheticalabs.com>
	<48877AA1.6080504@indythinker.com>
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If ya'll could tolerate a Erlanger in your midst I'm up for Helios  
this Friday. What's the parking situation like?

--Kevin
On Jul 23, 2008, at 3:11 PM, Fred Medlin wrote:

> I'm up for helios on Friday, too.
>
> On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 3:10 PM, Michael Hale <mikehale at gmail.com>  
> wrote:
> Hey Justis,
>
> I was planning to nomad at helios on Friday. Any tips on parking?
>
> On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Justis Peters
> <jrubyforge-raleigh-rb at indythinker.com> wrote:
> > Kevin A. Smith wrote:
> >>
> >> Anyone interested in co-working in Raleigh? I nomad quite a bit  
> in Raleigh
> >> proper. I'd love the opportunity to meet other developers in the  
> area.
> >> Hacking by myself either in cafes or at home is starting to get  
> old :-)
> >>
> >> --Kevin
> >
> > There are quite a few people who go to Helios Coffee in order to  
> work. There
> > are also a few who have befriended Edge Office and have permission  
> to work
> > at some extra tables they have there. I know someone who is  
> considering
> > launching a formal coworking facility in Raleigh. If I get more  
> details,
> > I'll let you know.
> >
> > Anybody who wants to meet up at Helios, just say the word. My work  
> location
> > is flexible on most days of the week.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Justis
> > _______________________________________________
> > raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> > raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
> >
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
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> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members


From jrubyforge-raleigh-rb at indythinker.com  Wed Jul 23 15:42:02 2008
From: jrubyforge-raleigh-rb at indythinker.com (Justis Peters)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:42:02 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Nomading/Coffee in CH
In-Reply-To: <60190a730807231210h3d6adaa9i2a1de30ebca49949@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C4AB81A7.74FA1%info@applicationarch.com>	<48860B94.3050400@gmail.com>	<f25a5bb60807220944t1196ff90vcd999ab660c8c615@mail.gmail.com>	<48863DC1.5080407@indythinker.com>	<EE67605E-BFF4-4E9F-AC10-CF3CC14B92EE@hypotheticalabs.com>	<48877AA1.6080504@indythinker.com>
	<60190a730807231210h3d6adaa9i2a1de30ebca49949@mail.gmail.com>
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Michael Hale wrote:
> Hey Justis,
>
> I was planning to nomad at helios on Friday. Any tips on parking?
>   
In my experience, parking has been easy. I've always found a spot in the 
parking lot behind Helios. At the times when I've been invited to work 
at Edge Office, I have usually parked on the side streets. There's 
usually something within a block of wherever I want to be on Glenwood 
South. The only exception to this has been during prime bar hopping 
time, in the evenings.

Kind regards,
Justis

From jrubyforge-raleigh-rb at indythinker.com  Wed Jul 23 16:06:31 2008
From: jrubyforge-raleigh-rb at indythinker.com (Justis Peters)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:06:31 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] how to drum up work
In-Reply-To: <8308260d0807231143j6996dba7k570bff807c39c9e4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C4AB81A7.74FA1%info@applicationarch.com>	<48860B94.3050400@gmail.com>	<f25a5bb60807220944t1196ff90vcd999ab660c8c615@mail.gmail.com>	<48863DC1.5080407@indythinker.com>	<EE67605E-BFF4-4E9F-AC10-CF3CC14B92EE@hypotheticalabs.com>	<48877AA1.6080504@indythinker.com>
	<8308260d0807231143j6996dba7k570bff807c39c9e4@mail.gmail.com>
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Steven Hilton wrote:
> I'd love to you join you guys, but that puts the cart before the horse
> in my case. How do you freelance types drum up projects? I need to
> know so I can build that up and thus escape my sad corporate worker
> drone life. Prolly a different thread needed, but I sure am jealous.
>
> - Steven
>   
This is a very complex question, but I'm going to take a stab at a 
simple recipe:

Identify something you can do which is both interesting to other people 
and something about which you are passionate. Include equal parts of 
doing this work you love and talking to other people about it. Make sure 
the people you meet know how to explain it to others. Believe in the 
value you create with your work and receive the compliment when people 
pay you handsomely for it. Mix well. Serve with a smile.

Kind regards,
Justis Peters

From seancribbs at gmail.com  Wed Jul 23 16:30:08 2008
From: seancribbs at gmail.com (Sean Cribbs)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:30:08 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] how to drum up work
In-Reply-To: <48878F47.8030404@indythinker.com>
References: <C4AB81A7.74FA1%info@applicationarch.com>	<48860B94.3050400@gmail.com>	<f25a5bb60807220944t1196ff90vcd999ab660c8c615@mail.gmail.com>	<48863DC1.5080407@indythinker.com>	<EE67605E-BFF4-4E9F-AC10-CF3CC14B92EE@hypotheticalabs.com>	<48877AA1.6080504@indythinker.com>	<8308260d0807231143j6996dba7k570bff807c39c9e4@mail.gmail.com>
	<48878F47.8030404@indythinker.com>
Message-ID: <488794D0.8070204@gmail.com>

I've found the most valuable thing you can have is good contacts who can 
send you work or work with you. (Thanks, John, Loren, and Adam!)

Beyond that and the philosophical stuff, I would recommend becoming a 
prominent member of an open-source project.  Thanks to Radiant and the 
contacts I've obtained through the project, I've received numerous 
requests for work.  It also lets you show off your skills by putting a 
product of your work in an open forum.

It might also help to start out by doing a side-project in your free 
time (10-15 hours a week, evenings and weekends).  This is a good way to 
cut your teeth, get a feel for the market and develop your working style.

Sean

Justis Peters wrote:
> Steven Hilton wrote:
>> I'd love to you join you guys, but that puts the cart before the horse
>> in my case. How do you freelance types drum up projects? I need to
>> know so I can build that up and thus escape my sad corporate worker
>> drone life. Prolly a different thread needed, but I sure am jealous.
>>
>> - Steven
>>   
> This is a very complex question, but I'm going to take a stab at a 
> simple recipe:
>
> Identify something you can do which is both interesting to other 
> people and something about which you are passionate. Include equal 
> parts of doing this work you love and talking to other people about 
> it. Make sure the people you meet know how to explain it to others. 
> Believe in the value you create with your work and receive the 
> compliment when people pay you handsomely for it. Mix well. Serve with 
> a smile.
>
> Kind regards,
> Justis Peters
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>


From info at applicationarch.com  Wed Jul 23 16:39:54 2008
From: info at applicationarch.com (Chris Kubica)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:39:54 +0000
Subject: [raleigh.rb] how to drum up work
In-Reply-To: <3299690301-560667735@mail.pointinspace.com>
References: <C4AB81A7.74FA1%info@applicationarch.com>	<48860B94.3050400@gmail.com>	<f25a5bb60807220944t1196ff90vcd999ab660c8c615@mail.gmail.com>	<48863DC1.5080407@indythinker.com>	<EE67605E-BFF4-4E9F-AC10-CF3CC14B92EE@hypotheticalabs.com>	<48877AA1.6080504@indythinker.com>	<8308260d0807231143j6996dba7k570bff807c39c9e4@mail.gmail.com><48878F47.8030404@indythinker.com><3299690301-560667735@mail.pointinspace.com>
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So r people mtg in chapel hill this week then?


Sincerely,
 
Chris Kubica

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Application Architects, LLC
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-----Original Message-----
From: Sean Cribbs <seancribbs at gmail.com>

Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:30:08 
To: The mailing list of raleigh.rb<raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org>
Subject: Re: [raleigh.rb] how to drum up work


I've found the most valuable thing you can have is good contacts who can
send you work or work with you. (Thanks, John, Loren, and Adam!)

Beyond that and the philosophical stuff, I would recommend becoming a
prominent member of an open-source project.  Thanks to Radiant and the
contacts I've obtained through the project, I've received numerous
requests for work.  It also lets you show off your skills by putting a
product of your work in an open forum.

It might also help to start out by doing a side-project in your free
time (10-15 hours a week, evenings and weekends).  This is a good way to
cut your teeth, get a feel for the market and develop your working style.

Sean

Justis Peters wrote:
> Steven Hilton wrote:
>> I'd love to you join you guys, but that puts the cart before the horse
>> in my case. How do you freelance types drum up projects? I need to
>> know so I can build that up and thus escape my sad corporate worker
>> drone life. Prolly a different thread needed, but I sure am jealous.
>>
>> - Steven
>>
> This is a very complex question, but I'm going to take a stab at a
> simple recipe:
>
> Identify something you can do which is both interesting to other
> people and something about which you are passionate. Include equal
> parts of doing this work you love and talking to other people about
> it. Make sure the people you meet know how to explain it to others.
> Believe in the value you create with your work and receive the
> compliment when people pay you handsomely for it. Mix well. Serve with
> a smile.
>
> Kind regards,
> Justis Peters
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>

_______________________________________________
raleigh-rb-members mailing list
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http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members


From rangerrick at gmail.com  Wed Jul 23 17:19:47 2008
From: rangerrick at gmail.com (Benjamin Reed)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:19:47 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Nomading/Coffee in CH
In-Reply-To: <48877AA1.6080504@indythinker.com>
References: <C4AB81A7.74FA1%info@applicationarch.com>
	<48860B94.3050400@gmail.com>
	<f25a5bb60807220944t1196ff90vcd999ab660c8c615@mail.gmail.com>
	<48863DC1.5080407@indythinker.com>
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On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Justis Peters
<jrubyforge-raleigh-rb at indythinker.com> wrote:
> I know someone who is considering
> launching a formal coworking facility in Raleigh.

We (OpenNMS) have considered opening up our training area in Pittsboro
for coworking -- it actually just came up in conversation today.  One
thing I'm curious about, would people have issues with being kicked
out for a week when we have training?  Also, what are the
considerations as far as having printers, having it staffed for
someone to answer questions, etc.?  Are coworking facilities basically
completely hands-off except for "the internets are down"?  Or do you
end up with a lot of PC LOAD LETTER administration issues as well?

-- 
Benjamin Reed a.k.a. Ranger Rick
Fink, KDE, and Mac OS X development

Blog: http://www.raccoonfink.com/
Music: http://music.raccoonfink.com/

From tj at stank.us  Wed Jul 23 17:34:30 2008
From: tj at stank.us (TJ Stankus)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:34:30 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Nomading/Coffee in CH
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References: <C4AB81A7.74FA1%info@applicationarch.com>
	<48860B94.3050400@gmail.com>
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Benjamin,

I'd definitely be interested in Pittsboro coworking, even if it's
sporadic. I'm not sure what other coworking facilities provide. I'm
thinking there's no standard, at least locally. I think Carrboro
Coworking will be the first official coworking business in the state.

Here are my needs, and they may not be representative of the typical coworker:

Needs:
- A desk
- A chair
- Power
- Either wired or wireless high-speed internet access
- A bathroom
- Some semblance of quiet, or maybe a quiet(er) space to retreat to if
the main space gets noisy
- Coffee and water, but I can bring my own if needed

Nice-to-have:
- Food/coffee within walking distance

-TJ

On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 5:19 PM, Benjamin Reed <rangerrick at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Justis Peters
> <jrubyforge-raleigh-rb at indythinker.com> wrote:
>> I know someone who is considering
>> launching a formal coworking facility in Raleigh.
>
> We (OpenNMS) have considered opening up our training area in Pittsboro
> for coworking -- it actually just came up in conversation today.  One
> thing I'm curious about, would people have issues with being kicked
> out for a week when we have training?  Also, what are the
> considerations as far as having printers, having it staffed for
> someone to answer questions, etc.?  Are coworking facilities basically
> completely hands-off except for "the internets are down"?  Or do you
> end up with a lot of PC LOAD LETTER administration issues as well?
>
> --
> Benjamin Reed a.k.a. Ranger Rick
> Fink, KDE, and Mac OS X development
>
> Blog: http://www.raccoonfink.com/
> Music: http://music.raccoonfink.com/
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>

From ren at renprovey.com  Wed Jul 23 19:17:21 2008
From: ren at renprovey.com (Ren Provey)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:17:21 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Nomading/Coffee in CH
In-Reply-To: <c215570a0807230957l1e9e436an462cb92e75ba9176@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C4AB81A7.74FA1%info@applicationarch.com>
	<48860B94.3050400@gmail.com>
	<f25a5bb60807220944t1196ff90vcd999ab660c8c615@mail.gmail.com>
	<48863DC1.5080407@indythinker.com> <48869B06.8060505@gmail.com>
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That sounds good to me, I'll try to get there 9:30ish.

- Ren

On Jul 23, 2008, at 12:57 PM, Brian Auton wrote:

> Sounds good; I'll come by Open Eye tomorrow morning, probably a bit  
> later than that.  Anyone else?
>
> Brian
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 10:44 PM, Sean Cribbs <seancribbs at gmail.com>  
> wrote:
> Yes, I've been watching that.  I've decided I'll be nomading on  
> Thursday this week. Open Eye Cafe should be fine, unless someone has  
> a better suggestion.  I'll probably be there around 9 or 9:30AM,  
> leaving late afternoon (4 or 5pm).  I'm open to changing locales if  
> it doesn't work out.
>
> Sean
> .
> Justis Peters wrote:
>>
>> If this interests you Chapel Hill and Carrboro folks, Brian Russell  
>> is launching a coworking facility in Carrboro. See here for more  
>> info: http://www.carrborocoworking.com/
>>
>> I don't know when they're opening, but it might be worth keeping up  
>> with the mailing list. Sounds like a good place to plan some nomad  
>> events to coffeeshops and attract more like-minded people.
>>
>> I live in Raleigh, so it's a little far away for me.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Justis Peters
>> _______________________________________________
>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>
>
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From tj at stank.us  Wed Jul 23 20:52:02 2008
From: tj at stank.us (TJ Stankus)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:52:02 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Nomading/Coffee in CH
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References: <C4AB81A7.74FA1%info@applicationarch.com>
	<48860B94.3050400@gmail.com>
	<f25a5bb60807220944t1196ff90vcd999ab660c8c615@mail.gmail.com>
	<48863DC1.5080407@indythinker.com> <48869B06.8060505@gmail.com>
	<c215570a0807230957l1e9e436an462cb92e75ba9176@mail.gmail.com>
	<ECC7BC48-B4B3-4058-A61F-ADA1D61998E8@renprovey.com>
Message-ID: <f25a5bb60807231752k75697575ta9b3cc95d70a3d5e@mail.gmail.com>

>> Yes, I've been watching that.  I've decided I'll be nomading on Thursday
>> this week. Open Eye Cafe should be fine, unless someone has a better
>> suggestion.  I'll probably be there around 9 or 9:30AM, leaving late

Sounds good. I'll plan on being there around 9:30 too.

-TJ

From lists-jared at nc.rr.com  Wed Jul 23 15:54:45 2008
From: lists-jared at nc.rr.com (Jared)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:54:45 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Nomading/Coffee in CH
In-Reply-To: <4887898A.6000002@indythinker.com>
References: <C4AB81A7.74FA1%info@applicationarch.com>	<48860B94.3050400@gmail.com>	<f25a5bb60807220944t1196ff90vcd999ab660c8c615@mail.gmail.com>	<48863DC1.5080407@indythinker.com>	<EE67605E-BFF4-4E9F-AC10-CF3CC14B92EE@hypotheticalabs.com>	<48877AA1.6080504@indythinker.com>
	<60190a730807231210h3d6adaa9i2a1de30ebca49949@mail.gmail.com>
	<4887898A.6000002@indythinker.com>
Message-ID: <9D452214-0918-4911-A5DF-45734F3B953A@nc.rr.com>

If you guys have iPhones, you should use Loopt to find each other....  
or maybe set up a Twitter group.

I can't nomad these days, but watching this thread go by is nice.

Jared

On Jul 23, 2008, at 3:42 PM, Justis Peters wrote:

> Michael Hale wrote:
>> Hey Justis,
>>
>> I was planning to nomad at helios on Friday. Any tips on parking?
>>
> In my experience, parking has been easy. I've always found a spot in  
> the parking lot behind Helios. At the times when I've been invited  
> to work at Edge Office, I have usually parked on the side streets.  
> There's usually something within a block of wherever I want to be on  
> Glenwood South. The only exception to this has been during prime bar  
> hopping time, in the evenings.
>
> Kind regards,
> Justis
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members


From lon at speedymac.com  Sun Jul 27 16:25:53 2008
From: lon at speedymac.com (Lon Baker)
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:25:53 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] [OT] MacBook Pro for Sale
Message-ID: <7ce1d32f0807271325n4412cf2dg52def403687f78ae@mail.gmail.com>

Guys,

I am leaving for California on Tuesday and have a 15" MacBook Pro
2.4GH 4GB ram and 250 GB HD, along with a carrying case for sale.

Bought for $1999 + 2 GB of Ram.

Would be willing to part with it for $1700.

I can process credit cards if needed.

Just thought I would pass this to the list before posting it on Ebay
or Craigslist.

I can be reach at 919-961-7090 with any questions.

--
Lon

From fmedlin at gmail.com  Mon Jul 28 21:25:46 2008
From: fmedlin at gmail.com (Fred Medlin)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 21:25:46 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Cowork tomorrow?
Message-ID: <579ca95c0807281825m32f0df86sfd3ed5958a34f334@mail.gmail.com>

Panera on Falls of the Neuse at 10am with Matthew Bass and whoever else
wants to join.It's his birthday. I think he's about 19 or 20 now...

http://triangle.citysearch.com/profile/map/11616638/raleigh_nc/panera_bread.html
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From mikehale at gmail.com  Tue Jul 29 10:46:16 2008
From: mikehale at gmail.com (Michael Hale)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:46:16 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Cowork tomorrow?
In-Reply-To: <579ca95c0807281825m32f0df86sfd3ed5958a34f334@mail.gmail.com>
References: <579ca95c0807281825m32f0df86sfd3ed5958a34f334@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <60190a730807290746r2c7d65b0x5dff2eedb57b3c0a@mail.gmail.com>

I might join you guys this afternoon.

On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 9:25 PM, Fred Medlin <fmedlin at gmail.com> wrote:
> Panera on Falls of the Neuse at 10am with Matthew Bass and whoever else
> wants to join.
> It's his birthday. I think he's about 19 or 20 now...
> http://triangle.citysearch.com/profile/map/11616638/raleigh_nc/panera_bread.html
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>

From curtismitchell at gmail.com  Tue Jul 29 14:31:02 2008
From: curtismitchell at gmail.com (Curtis Mitchell)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:31:02 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Ubuntu RubyGems
Message-ID: <c137c5970807291131k46fe3885p7f0532504efc6328@mail.gmail.com>

Hey folks,

I have a (hopefully) simple issue with Gems on an Ubuntu installation.  I am
hoping someone here has an answer.

The issue:
My gems don't appear to be in the path.  For instance, I have Rake
installed, but using the rake command from the bash shell gets me a command
not found error.

Background:
I installed ruby and rubygems via aptitude.  I installed rake via the gem
command.

Other suggestions:
One other person suggested I need to choose between aptitude and RubyGems.
I can't use both because the paths are inconsistent that way.

What are your thoughts/suggestions?

Thanks in advance,

Curtis
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From redinger at gmail.com  Tue Jul 29 14:37:50 2008
From: redinger at gmail.com (Christopher Redinger)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:37:50 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Ubuntu RubyGems
In-Reply-To: <c137c5970807291131k46fe3885p7f0532504efc6328@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c137c5970807291131k46fe3885p7f0532504efc6328@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <681d4e8f0807291137m3f7f364cxa4928e987a6d444b@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 2:31 PM, Curtis Mitchell
<curtismitchell at gmail.com> wrote:
> Background:
> I installed ruby and rubygems via aptitude.  I installed rake via the gem
> command.

Installing ruby from aptitude is fine (as long as you are okay running
whatever version they've packaged.)

gems should be installed via source, though.


-- 
Christopher Redinger
http://www.agiledisciple.com

From mikehale at gmail.com  Tue Jul 29 14:42:42 2008
From: mikehale at gmail.com (Michael Hale)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:42:42 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Ubuntu RubyGems
In-Reply-To: <c137c5970807291131k46fe3885p7f0532504efc6328@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c137c5970807291131k46fe3885p7f0532504efc6328@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <60190a730807291142n496617e1t7b177143554fb7f7@mail.gmail.com>

I'm using ruby from apt, but installed rubygems from source. I
probably should change to using ruby from source too.

You could `sudo aptitude install rake` to fix your current problem,
but if you continue down that road then you will have to wait for gems
to be packaged as ubuntu packages.

On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 2:31 PM, Curtis Mitchell
<curtismitchell at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey folks,
>
> I have a (hopefully) simple issue with Gems on an Ubuntu installation.  I am
> hoping someone here has an answer.
>
> The issue:
> My gems don't appear to be in the path.  For instance, I have Rake
> installed, but using the rake command from the bash shell gets me a command
> not found error.
>
> Background:
> I installed ruby and rubygems via aptitude.  I installed rake via the gem
> command.
>
> Other suggestions:
> One other person suggested I need to choose between aptitude and RubyGems.
> I can't use both because the paths are inconsistent that way.
>
> What are your thoughts/suggestions?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Curtis
>
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>

From bryan.kearney at gmail.com  Tue Jul 29 14:41:49 2008
From: bryan.kearney at gmail.com (Bryan Kearney)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:41:49 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Ubuntu RubyGems
In-Reply-To: <c137c5970807291131k46fe3885p7f0532504efc6328@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c137c5970807291131k46fe3885p7f0532504efc6328@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <488F646D.8090707@gmail.com>

Curtis Mitchell wrote:
> Hey folks,
> 
> I have a (hopefully) simple issue with Gems on an Ubuntu installation.  
> I am hoping someone here has an answer.
> 
> The issue:
> My gems don't appear to be in the path.  For instance, I have Rake 
> installed, but using the rake command from the bash shell gets me a 
> command not found error.
> 
> Background:
> I installed ruby and rubygems via aptitude.  I installed rake via the 
> gem command.
> 
> Other suggestions:
> One other person suggested I need to choose between aptitude and 
> RubyGems.  I can't use both because the paths are inconsistent that way.
> 
> What are your thoughts/suggestions?

Switch to Fedora :)

-- bk


From mikehale at gmail.com  Tue Jul 29 15:05:58 2008
From: mikehale at gmail.com (Michael Hale)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:05:58 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Ubuntu RubyGems
In-Reply-To: <488F646D.8090707@gmail.com>
References: <c137c5970807291131k46fe3885p7f0532504efc6328@mail.gmail.com>
	<488F646D.8090707@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <60190a730807291205v4a0738c2w232c260b0cf322f0@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Bryan Kearney <bryan.kearney at gmail.com> wrote:
> Curtis Mitchell wrote:
>>
>> Hey folks,
>>
>> I have a (hopefully) simple issue with Gems on an Ubuntu installation.  I
>> am hoping someone here has an answer.
>>
>> The issue:
>> My gems don't appear to be in the path.  For instance, I have Rake
>> installed, but using the rake command from the bash shell gets me a command
>> not found error.
>>
>> Background:
>> I installed ruby and rubygems via aptitude.  I installed rake via the gem
>> command.
>>
>> Other suggestions:
>> One other person suggested I need to choose between aptitude and RubyGems.
>>  I can't use both because the paths are inconsistent that way.
>>
>> What are your thoughts/suggestions?
>
> Switch to Fedora :)

Fedora is nothing to smile about ;)

>
> -- bk
>
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>

From ruby at vickeryj.com  Tue Jul 29 15:54:18 2008
From: ruby at vickeryj.com (Josh Vickery)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:54:18 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Ubuntu RubyGems
In-Reply-To: <c137c5970807291131k46fe3885p7f0532504efc6328@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c137c5970807291131k46fe3885p7f0532504efc6328@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d0c1cc0a0807291254h5c39f524tfd158aa3c06a28a0@mail.gmail.com>

>>> Background:
>>> I installed ruby and rubygems via aptitude.  I installed rake via the gem
>>> command.

The gems that you install (like Rake) are dependent on rubygems, and
most likely on a newer version than the one installed by apt. The
simplest solution is to have rubygems update itself, then reinstall
your gems. In your case the steps would be:

sudo gem update --system

sudo gem uninstall rake

sudo gem install rake

You should now have a rake executable at /usr/bin/rake

Josh

From curtismitchell at gmail.com  Tue Jul 29 16:05:10 2008
From: curtismitchell at gmail.com (Curtis Mitchell)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:05:10 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Ubuntu RubyGems
In-Reply-To: <d0c1cc0a0807291254h5c39f524tfd158aa3c06a28a0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c137c5970807291131k46fe3885p7f0532504efc6328@mail.gmail.com>
	<d0c1cc0a0807291254h5c39f524tfd158aa3c06a28a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c137c5970807291305n44956c88vb777eac5551bd281@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the feedback!  I am going to give this a try before switching to
Fedora. j/k



On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Josh Vickery <ruby at vickeryj.com> wrote:

> >>> Background:
> >>> I installed ruby and rubygems via aptitude.  I installed rake via the
> gem
> >>> command.
>
> The gems that you install (like Rake) are dependent on rubygems, and
> most likely on a newer version than the one installed by apt. The
> simplest solution is to have rubygems update itself, then reinstall
> your gems. In your case the steps would be:
>
> sudo gem update --system
>
> sudo gem uninstall rake
>
> sudo gem install rake
>
> You should now have a rake executable at /usr/bin/rake
>
> Josh
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
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From brenton.leanhardt at gmail.com  Tue Jul 29 16:13:42 2008
From: brenton.leanhardt at gmail.com (brenton leanhardt)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:13:42 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Ubuntu RubyGems
In-Reply-To: <d0c1cc0a0807291254h5c39f524tfd158aa3c06a28a0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c137c5970807291131k46fe3885p7f0532504efc6328@mail.gmail.com>
	<d0c1cc0a0807291254h5c39f524tfd158aa3c06a28a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7c0835400807291313i1dc83709h5bbcd1e40b85cb47@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Josh Vickery <ruby at vickeryj.com> wrote:
>>>> Background:
>>>> I installed ruby and rubygems via aptitude.  I installed rake via the gem
>>>> command.
>
> The gems that you install (like Rake) are dependent on rubygems, and
> most likely on a newer version than the one installed by apt. The
> simplest solution is to have rubygems update itself, then reinstall
> your gems. In your case the steps would be:
>
> sudo gem update --system
>
> sudo gem uninstall rake
>
> sudo gem install rake
>
> You should now have a rake executable at /usr/bin/rake
>
> Josh
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>

Hopefully this isn't too off topic.  But since I too find myself
working with Linux package management and Rubygems I thought I'd give
my 2 cents.

I find it a lot more straight forward for system administration not to
mix and match native packaging with Rubygems.  This is especially the
case if you are working with more than Ruby based projects.   If
you're working on a project and you _really_ need different versions
than what ships with your OS I would recommend one of the following:

1) Building Ruby from source and only using Rubygems installed via gem
2) Working with your OS distribution to get the latest version of
packages shipped

Which you choose is mostly personal preference IMHO.

--Brenton

From aaron at aaronbedra.com  Tue Jul 29 18:38:16 2008
From: aaron at aaronbedra.com (Aaron Bedra)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:38:16 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Ubuntu RubyGems
In-Reply-To: <7c0835400807291313i1dc83709h5bbcd1e40b85cb47@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c137c5970807291131k46fe3885p7f0532504efc6328@mail.gmail.com>
	<d0c1cc0a0807291254h5c39f524tfd158aa3c06a28a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c0835400807291313i1dc83709h5bbcd1e40b85cb47@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b077dce10807291538p2f9c3db3r45889d23e1cd36ac@mail.gmail.com>

If you are using Ubuntu here's the appropriate way to get a solid ruby
environment up and running.  This is the preferred way for anyone using
Ubuntu.  I help maintain packages for the distribution every now and again
and have a ton of servers and development environments running this way.

# for the basic ruby stack
aptitude install build-essential ruby1.8 ruby1.8-dev libopenssl-ruby1.8
rdoc1.8 ri1.8 irb1.8
# for mysql and dependencies for the mysql gem
aptitude install mysql-server mysql-client libmysqlclient15-dev
libmysql-ruby1.8

# to get the standard executables
sudo ln -s /usr/bin/ruby1.8 /usr/local/bin/ruby
sudo ln -s /usr/bin/ri1.8 /usr/local/bin/ri
sudo ln -s /usr/bin/rdoc1.8 /usr/local/bin/rdoc
sudo ln -s /usr/bin/irb1.8 /usr/local/bin/irb

# for rubygems
wget http://rubyforge.org/frs/download.php/38646/rubygems-1.2.0.tgz
tar xvzf rubygems-1.2.0
sudo ruby setup.rb

# to get the standard executable
sudo ln -s /usr/bin/gem1.8 /usr/local/bin/gem

# for the standard rails stack
sudo gem install rails mongrel mysql test-spec mocha rcov flog


This is pretty much just a copy and paste tutorial, so if you are having
trouble with Ubuntu this will set you on the right track.  If anyone is
still yearning for a packaged version of the current rubygems I can create
an ubuntu apt package and send it off to the list.  It's just that the
install of rubygems is so straightforward that I never really bothered.
Notice I left out my preference for using emacs the supreme ultimate editor
;)

Cheers,

Aaron Bedra
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From info at applicationarch.com  Tue Jul 29 21:07:10 2008
From: info at applicationarch.com (Chris Kubica, PMP)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:07:10 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Raleigh-area Rails Training
Message-ID: <C4B536FE.75EA1%info@applicationarch.com>

Would anyone be interested in trying to get a trainer to come give a Rails
class in the RTP in the next few months? If so, how much would you pay? What
kind of course should it be?

Sincerely,
 
Chris Kubica
President, Founder

Application Architects

1-888-896-4608 (Ph/Fax)
1-202-280-2042 (Int'l Ph/Fax)

http://www.applicationarch.com

Certified FileMaker Developer
FileMaker Business Alliance (FBA) Member

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From curtismitchell at gmail.com  Tue Jul 29 21:11:54 2008
From: curtismitchell at gmail.com (Curtis Mitchell)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:11:54 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Ubuntu RubyGems
In-Reply-To: <b077dce10807291538p2f9c3db3r45889d23e1cd36ac@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c137c5970807291131k46fe3885p7f0532504efc6328@mail.gmail.com>
	<d0c1cc0a0807291254h5c39f524tfd158aa3c06a28a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c0835400807291313i1dc83709h5bbcd1e40b85cb47@mail.gmail.com>
	<b077dce10807291538p2f9c3db3r45889d23e1cd36ac@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c137c5970807291811xd4dc1b0k46494051167f0e2e@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Aaron.

To help me understand a little more, how were you able to determine which
symbolic links were necessary?

Curtis

On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 6:38 PM, Aaron Bedra <aaron at aaronbedra.com> wrote:

> If you are using Ubuntu here's the appropriate way to get a solid ruby
> environment up and running.  This is the preferred way for anyone using
> Ubuntu.  I help maintain packages for the distribution every now and again
> and have a ton of servers and development environments running this way.
>
> # for the basic ruby stack
> aptitude install build-essential ruby1.8 ruby1.8-dev libopenssl-ruby1.8
> rdoc1.8 ri1.8 irb1.8
> # for mysql and dependencies for the mysql gem
> aptitude install mysql-server mysql-client libmysqlclient15-dev
> libmysql-ruby1.8
>
> # to get the standard executables
> sudo ln -s /usr/bin/ruby1.8 /usr/local/bin/ruby
> sudo ln -s /usr/bin/ri1.8 /usr/local/bin/ri
> sudo ln -s /usr/bin/rdoc1.8 /usr/local/bin/rdoc
> sudo ln -s /usr/bin/irb1.8 /usr/local/bin/irb
>
> # for rubygems
> wget http://rubyforge.org/frs/download.php/38646/rubygems-1.2.0.tgz
> tar xvzf rubygems-1.2.0
> sudo ruby setup.rb
>
> # to get the standard executable
> sudo ln -s /usr/bin/gem1.8 /usr/local/bin/gem
>
> # for the standard rails stack
> sudo gem install rails mongrel mysql test-spec mocha rcov flog
>
>
> This is pretty much just a copy and paste tutorial, so if you are having
> trouble with Ubuntu this will set you on the right track.  If anyone is
> still yearning for a packaged version of the current rubygems I can create
> an ubuntu apt package and send it off to the list.  It's just that the
> install of rubygems is so straightforward that I never really bothered.
> Notice I left out my preference for using emacs the supreme ultimate editor
> ;)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Aaron Bedra
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>
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From aaron at aaronbedra.com  Tue Jul 29 21:27:42 2008
From: aaron at aaronbedra.com (Aaron Bedra)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:27:42 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Ubuntu RubyGems
In-Reply-To: <c137c5970807291811xd4dc1b0k46494051167f0e2e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c137c5970807291131k46fe3885p7f0532504efc6328@mail.gmail.com>
	<d0c1cc0a0807291254h5c39f524tfd158aa3c06a28a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c0835400807291313i1dc83709h5bbcd1e40b85cb47@mail.gmail.com>
	<b077dce10807291538p2f9c3db3r45889d23e1cd36ac@mail.gmail.com>
	<c137c5970807291811xd4dc1b0k46494051167f0e2e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b077dce10807291827i41cc305dxd397265a5e6a44e0@mail.gmail.com>

Curtis,
The Ubuntu packages just name the binaries with a 1.8 at the end.  You can
just use them like that, I prefer to symlink them for convention.

Aaron

On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 9:11 PM, Curtis Mitchell
<curtismitchell at gmail.com>wrote:

> Thanks, Aaron.
>
> To help me understand a little more, how were you able to determine which
> symbolic links were necessary?
>
> Curtis
>
> On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 6:38 PM, Aaron Bedra <aaron at aaronbedra.com> wrote:
>
>> If you are using Ubuntu here's the appropriate way to get a solid ruby
>> environment up and running.  This is the preferred way for anyone using
>> Ubuntu.  I help maintain packages for the distribution every now and again
>> and have a ton of servers and development environments running this way.
>>
>> # for the basic ruby stack
>> aptitude install build-essential ruby1.8 ruby1.8-dev libopenssl-ruby1.8
>> rdoc1.8 ri1.8 irb1.8
>> # for mysql and dependencies for the mysql gem
>> aptitude install mysql-server mysql-client libmysqlclient15-dev
>> libmysql-ruby1.8
>>
>> # to get the standard executables
>> sudo ln -s /usr/bin/ruby1.8 /usr/local/bin/ruby
>> sudo ln -s /usr/bin/ri1.8 /usr/local/bin/ri
>> sudo ln -s /usr/bin/rdoc1.8 /usr/local/bin/rdoc
>> sudo ln -s /usr/bin/irb1.8 /usr/local/bin/irb
>>
>> # for rubygems
>> wget http://rubyforge.org/frs/download.php/38646/rubygems-1.2.0.tgz
>> tar xvzf rubygems-1.2.0
>> sudo ruby setup.rb
>>
>> # to get the standard executable
>> sudo ln -s /usr/bin/gem1.8 /usr/local/bin/gem
>>
>> # for the standard rails stack
>> sudo gem install rails mongrel mysql test-spec mocha rcov flog
>>
>>
>> This is pretty much just a copy and paste tutorial, so if you are having
>> trouble with Ubuntu this will set you on the right track.  If anyone is
>> still yearning for a packaged version of the current rubygems I can create
>> an ubuntu apt package and send it off to the list.  It's just that the
>> install of rubygems is so straightforward that I never really bothered.
>> Notice I left out my preference for using emacs the supreme ultimate editor
>> ;)
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Aaron Bedra
>>
>>
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From redinger at gmail.com  Tue Jul 29 21:31:54 2008
From: redinger at gmail.com (Christopher Redinger)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:31:54 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Raleigh-area Rails Training
In-Reply-To: <C4B536FE.75EA1%info@applicationarch.com>
References: <C4B536FE.75EA1%info@applicationarch.com>
Message-ID: <681d4e8f0807291831r1e07c2d6h487491b940f7d499@mail.gmail.com>

I'd definitely attend one of the Pragmatic Studio events if it was in the area.
http://pragmaticstudio.com/

Of particular interest to me would be The Rails Edge and Advanced Ruby on Rails.

You know, we have a ton of local consultancies that could pull off
training like this... just off the top of my head: Adaloor, WiseHeart
Design, Terralien, Adeptware, yFactorial, Relevance, RoleModel
Software, Agile Artisans, DenHaven. I'd love to see any number of the
principals of these companies get together and offer Rails training
for a few days.

On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 9:07 PM, Chris Kubica, PMP
<info at applicationarch.com> wrote:
> Would anyone be interested in trying to get a trainer to come give a Rails
> class in the RTP in the next few months? If so, how much would you pay? What
> kind of course should it be?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Chris Kubica
> President, Founder
>
> Application Architects
>
> 1-888-896-4608 (Ph/Fax)
> 1-202-280-2042 (Int'l Ph/Fax)
>
> http://www.applicationarch.com
>
> Certified FileMaker Developer
> FileMaker Business Alliance (FBA) Member
>
> FDA, Part 11, GxP, HIPAA and SOX Compliance Experts
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>



-- 
Christopher Redinger
http://www.agiledisciple.com

From lists-jared at nc.rr.com  Tue Jul 29 21:11:55 2008
From: lists-jared at nc.rr.com (Jared)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:11:55 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Raleigh-area Rails Training
In-Reply-To: <C4B536FE.75EA1%info@applicationarch.com>
References: <C4B536FE.75EA1%info@applicationarch.com>
Message-ID: <B963266E-373E-4E6C-BBE2-45264A72CAC1@nc.rr.com>

I'm planning on setting up a local Rails class. If you're interested,  
drop me a line and I'll let you know when I get the details ironed out.

Jared
http://AgileArtisans.com


On Jul 29, 2008, at 9:07 PM, Chris Kubica, PMP wrote:

> Would anyone be interested in trying to get a trainer to come give a  
> Rails
> class in the RTP in the next few months? If so, how much would you  
> pay? What
> kind of course should it be?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Chris Kubica
> President, Founder
>
> Application Architects
>
> 1-888-896-4608 (Ph/Fax)
> 1-202-280-2042 (Int'l Ph/Fax)
>
> http://www.applicationarch.com
>
> Certified FileMaker Developer
> FileMaker Business Alliance (FBA) Member
>
> FDA, Part 11, GxP, HIPAA and SOX Compliance Experts
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members


From aaron at schrab.com  Tue Jul 29 23:04:37 2008
From: aaron at schrab.com (Aaron Schrab)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:04:37 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Ubuntu RubyGems
In-Reply-To: <b077dce10807291827i41cc305dxd397265a5e6a44e0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c137c5970807291131k46fe3885p7f0532504efc6328@mail.gmail.com>
	<d0c1cc0a0807291254h5c39f524tfd158aa3c06a28a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c0835400807291313i1dc83709h5bbcd1e40b85cb47@mail.gmail.com>
	<b077dce10807291538p2f9c3db3r45889d23e1cd36ac@mail.gmail.com>
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The packages with names ending in 1.8 contain binaries that are 
similarly names.  But there are also standard packages with no version 
in the name which depend on the versioned packages and containing 
symlinks to the versioned binaries.

So, there's a "ruby" package that (currently) depends on the ruby1.8 
package.  The main content of this package is a symlink:

/usr/bin/ruby -> ruby1.8

There are similar packages for irb, ri, and rdoc.


At 21:27 -0400 29 Jul 2008, Aaron Bedra <aaron at aaronbedra.com> wrote:
>Curtis,
>The Ubuntu packages just name the binaries with a 1.8 at the end.  You can
>just use them like that, I prefer to symlink them for convention.
>
>Aaron

>>> # for the basic ruby stack
>>> aptitude install build-essential ruby1.8 ruby1.8-dev libopenssl-ruby1.8
>>> rdoc1.8 ri1.8 irb1.8

>>> # to get the standard executables
>>> sudo ln -s /usr/bin/ruby1.8 /usr/local/bin/ruby
>>> sudo ln -s /usr/bin/ri1.8 /usr/local/bin/ri
>>> sudo ln -s /usr/bin/rdoc1.8 /usr/local/bin/rdoc
>>> sudo ln -s /usr/bin/irb1.8 /usr/local/bin/irb

From aaron at aaronbedra.com  Wed Jul 30 08:43:19 2008
From: aaron at aaronbedra.com (Aaron Bedra)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 08:43:19 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Ubuntu RubyGems
In-Reply-To: <20080730030436.GG15993@pug.qqx.org>
References: <c137c5970807291131k46fe3885p7f0532504efc6328@mail.gmail.com>
	<d0c1cc0a0807291254h5c39f524tfd158aa3c06a28a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c0835400807291313i1dc83709h5bbcd1e40b85cb47@mail.gmail.com>
	<b077dce10807291538p2f9c3db3r45889d23e1cd36ac@mail.gmail.com>
	<c137c5970807291811xd4dc1b0k46494051167f0e2e@mail.gmail.com>
	<b077dce10807291827i41cc305dxd397265a5e6a44e0@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080730030436.GG15993@pug.qqx.org>
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Using the ruby package is a bad habit to get into with this set of packages.
 Whenever the package maintainer decides that the ruby package should use
1.9 or 2.0 instead of 1.8 the package update will blow away all your 1.8
binaries.  I would recommend specifically using the 1.8 packages so that you
don't have any of those problems.
Aaron

On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 11:04 PM, Aaron Schrab <aaron at schrab.com> wrote:

> The packages with names ending in 1.8 contain binaries that are similarly
> names.  But there are also standard packages with no version in the name
> which depend on the versioned packages and containing symlinks to the
> versioned binaries.
>
> So, there's a "ruby" package that (currently) depends on the ruby1.8
> package.  The main content of this package is a symlink:
>
> /usr/bin/ruby -> ruby1.8
>
> There are similar packages for irb, ri, and rdoc.
>
>
> At 21:27 -0400 29 Jul 2008, Aaron Bedra <aaron at aaronbedra.com> wrote:
>
>> Curtis,
>> The Ubuntu packages just name the binaries with a 1.8 at the end.  You can
>> just use them like that, I prefer to symlink them for convention.
>>
>> Aaron
>>
>
>  # for the basic ruby stack
>>>> aptitude install build-essential ruby1.8 ruby1.8-dev libopenssl-ruby1.8
>>>> rdoc1.8 ri1.8 irb1.8
>>>>
>>>
>  # to get the standard executables
>>>> sudo ln -s /usr/bin/ruby1.8 /usr/local/bin/ruby
>>>> sudo ln -s /usr/bin/ri1.8 /usr/local/bin/ri
>>>> sudo ln -s /usr/bin/rdoc1.8 /usr/local/bin/rdoc
>>>> sudo ln -s /usr/bin/irb1.8 /usr/local/bin/irb
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>
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From curtismitchell at gmail.com  Wed Jul 30 08:53:58 2008
From: curtismitchell at gmail.com (Curtis Mitchell)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 08:53:58 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Ubuntu RubyGems
In-Reply-To: <b077dce10807300543k5d80b5e1oba54258e7eb27ae3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c137c5970807291131k46fe3885p7f0532504efc6328@mail.gmail.com>
	<d0c1cc0a0807291254h5c39f524tfd158aa3c06a28a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c0835400807291313i1dc83709h5bbcd1e40b85cb47@mail.gmail.com>
	<b077dce10807291538p2f9c3db3r45889d23e1cd36ac@mail.gmail.com>
	<c137c5970807291811xd4dc1b0k46494051167f0e2e@mail.gmail.com>
	<b077dce10807291827i41cc305dxd397265a5e6a44e0@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080730030436.GG15993@pug.qqx.org>
	<b077dce10807300543k5d80b5e1oba54258e7eb27ae3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c137c5970807300553n6ddd1926ydac4a1b65739956c@mail.gmail.com>

I see.  That is why your recommendation was to use aptitude to install
ruby1.8 instead of ruby, correct?

On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 8:43 AM, Aaron Bedra <aaron at aaronbedra.com> wrote:

> Using the ruby package is a bad habit to get into with this set of
> packages.  Whenever the package maintainer decides that the ruby package
> should use 1.9 or 2.0 instead of 1.8 the package update will blow away all
> your 1.8 binaries.  I would recommend specifically using the 1.8 packages so
> that you don't have any of those problems.
> Aaron
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 11:04 PM, Aaron Schrab <aaron at schrab.com> wrote:
>
>> The packages with names ending in 1.8 contain binaries that are similarly
>> names.  But there are also standard packages with no version in the name
>> which depend on the versioned packages and containing symlinks to the
>> versioned binaries.
>>
>> So, there's a "ruby" package that (currently) depends on the ruby1.8
>> package.  The main content of this package is a symlink:
>>
>> /usr/bin/ruby -> ruby1.8
>>
>> There are similar packages for irb, ri, and rdoc.
>>
>>
>> At 21:27 -0400 29 Jul 2008, Aaron Bedra <aaron at aaronbedra.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Curtis,
>>> The Ubuntu packages just name the binaries with a 1.8 at the end.  You
>>> can
>>> just use them like that, I prefer to symlink them for convention.
>>>
>>> Aaron
>>>
>>
>>  # for the basic ruby stack
>>>>> aptitude install build-essential ruby1.8 ruby1.8-dev libopenssl-ruby1.8
>>>>> rdoc1.8 ri1.8 irb1.8
>>>>>
>>>>
>>  # to get the standard executables
>>>>> sudo ln -s /usr/bin/ruby1.8 /usr/local/bin/ruby
>>>>> sudo ln -s /usr/bin/ri1.8 /usr/local/bin/ri
>>>>> sudo ln -s /usr/bin/rdoc1.8 /usr/local/bin/rdoc
>>>>> sudo ln -s /usr/bin/irb1.8 /usr/local/bin/irb
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
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From kevin at hypotheticalabs.com  Wed Jul 30 08:59:59 2008
From: kevin at hypotheticalabs.com (Kevin A. Smith)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 08:59:59 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Ubuntu RubyGems
In-Reply-To: <c137c5970807300553n6ddd1926ydac4a1b65739956c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c137c5970807291131k46fe3885p7f0532504efc6328@mail.gmail.com>
	<d0c1cc0a0807291254h5c39f524tfd158aa3c06a28a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c0835400807291313i1dc83709h5bbcd1e40b85cb47@mail.gmail.com>
	<b077dce10807291538p2f9c3db3r45889d23e1cd36ac@mail.gmail.com>
	<c137c5970807291811xd4dc1b0k46494051167f0e2e@mail.gmail.com>
	<b077dce10807291827i41cc305dxd397265a5e6a44e0@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080730030436.GG15993@pug.qqx.org>
	<b077dce10807300543k5d80b5e1oba54258e7eb27ae3@mail.gmail.com>
	<c137c5970807300553n6ddd1926ydac4a1b65739956c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <570824CD-5529-4A8A-B4F1-BEC23BAB4B4F@hypotheticalabs.com>

I take the same approach with Erlang, Java, and Ruby. Compile, if  
possible, from source. If you can't, like in the case of Java,  
manually install from a tarball.

There's enough differences between even minor versions of each  
language that I never trust the packaging decisions made by the  
distro. Call me crazy, but I don't like giving up control on the tools  
I use to make a living. :)

--Kevin
On Jul 30, 2008, at 8:53 AM, Curtis Mitchell wrote:

> I see.  That is why your recommendation was to use aptitude to  
> install ruby1.8 instead of ruby, correct?
>
> On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 8:43 AM, Aaron Bedra <aaron at aaronbedra.com>  
> wrote:
> Using the ruby package is a bad habit to get into with this set of  
> packages.  Whenever the package maintainer decides that the ruby  
> package should use 1.9 or 2.0 instead of 1.8 the package update will  
> blow away all your 1.8 binaries.  I would recommend specifically  
> using the 1.8 packages so that you don't have any of those problems.
>
> Aaron
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 11:04 PM, Aaron Schrab <aaron at schrab.com>  
> wrote:
> The packages with names ending in 1.8 contain binaries that are  
> similarly names.  But there are also standard packages with no  
> version in the name which depend on the versioned packages and  
> containing symlinks to the versioned binaries.
>
> So, there's a "ruby" package that (currently) depends on the ruby1.8  
> package.  The main content of this package is a symlink:
>
> /usr/bin/ruby -> ruby1.8
>
> There are similar packages for irb, ri, and rdoc.
>
>
>
> At 21:27 -0400 29 Jul 2008, Aaron Bedra <aaron at aaronbedra.com> wrote:
> Curtis,
> The Ubuntu packages just name the binaries with a 1.8 at the end.   
> You can
> just use them like that, I prefer to symlink them for convention.
>
> Aaron
>
> # for the basic ruby stack
> aptitude install build-essential ruby1.8 ruby1.8-dev libopenssl- 
> ruby1.8
> rdoc1.8 ri1.8 irb1.8
>
> # to get the standard executables
> sudo ln -s /usr/bin/ruby1.8 /usr/local/bin/ruby
> sudo ln -s /usr/bin/ri1.8 /usr/local/bin/ri
> sudo ln -s /usr/bin/rdoc1.8 /usr/local/bin/rdoc
> sudo ln -s /usr/bin/irb1.8 /usr/local/bin/irb
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>
> _______________________________________________
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> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members


From mark at 37signals.com  Wed Jul 30 09:14:45 2008
From: mark at 37signals.com (Mark Imbriaco)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:14:45 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] System Administrator opening at 37signals.
Message-ID: <4a50b71e0807300614q370d4ddi8837666e6c3b7e4@mail.gmail.com>

I know it's a little off-topic for the list, but I figured that there
might be some other folks like me out there that are Ruby programmers
who also have system administration experience.  We're looking for
another system administrator to join the 37signals team and work with
me maintaing our systems and growing our infrastructure.  If you're
interested, or if you know someone else who might be, please check out
http://jobs.37signals.com/jobs/4115.

Thanks,
-Mark

From info at applicationarch.com  Wed Jul 30 09:36:00 2008
From: info at applicationarch.com (Chris Kubica, PMP)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:36:00 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Raleigh-area Rails Training
In-Reply-To: <B963266E-373E-4E6C-BBE2-45264A72CAC1@nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <C4B5E680.75F96%info@applicationarch.com>

Add me to your list. In what timeframe will this happen? Also, I'm
interested in a beginner class...

Sincerely,
 
Chris Kubica
President, Founder

Application Architects

1-888-896-4608 (Ph/Fax)
1-202-280-2042 (Int'l Ph/Fax)

http://www.applicationarch.com

Certified FileMaker Developer
FileMaker Business Alliance (FBA) Member

FDA, Part 11, GxP, HIPAA and SOX Compliance Experts




> From: Jared <lists-jared at nc.rr.com>
> Reply-To: "The mailing list of raleigh.rb" <raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org>
> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:11:55 -0400
> To: "The mailing list of raleigh.rb" <raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org>
> Subject: Re: [raleigh.rb] Raleigh-area Rails Training
> 
> I'm planning on setting up a local Rails class. If you're interested,
> drop me a line and I'll let you know when I get the details ironed out.
> 
> Jared
> http://AgileArtisans.com
> 
> 
> On Jul 29, 2008, at 9:07 PM, Chris Kubica, PMP wrote:
> 
>> Would anyone be interested in trying to get a trainer to come give a
>> Rails
>> class in the RTP in the next few months? If so, how much would you
>> pay? What
>> kind of course should it be?
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> 
>> Chris Kubica
>> President, Founder
>> 
>> Application Architects
>> 
>> 1-888-896-4608 (Ph/Fax)
>> 1-202-280-2042 (Int'l Ph/Fax)
>> 
>> http://www.applicationarch.com
>> 
>> Certified FileMaker Developer
>> FileMaker Business Alliance (FBA) Member
>> 
>> FDA, Part 11, GxP, HIPAA and SOX Compliance Experts
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
> 
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members



From aaron at aaronbedra.com  Wed Jul 30 09:39:25 2008
From: aaron at aaronbedra.com (Aaron Bedra)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:39:25 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Ubuntu RubyGems
In-Reply-To: <570824CD-5529-4A8A-B4F1-BEC23BAB4B4F@hypotheticalabs.com>
References: <c137c5970807291131k46fe3885p7f0532504efc6328@mail.gmail.com>
	<d0c1cc0a0807291254h5c39f524tfd158aa3c06a28a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c0835400807291313i1dc83709h5bbcd1e40b85cb47@mail.gmail.com>
	<b077dce10807291538p2f9c3db3r45889d23e1cd36ac@mail.gmail.com>
	<c137c5970807291811xd4dc1b0k46494051167f0e2e@mail.gmail.com>
	<b077dce10807291827i41cc305dxd397265a5e6a44e0@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080730030436.GG15993@pug.qqx.org>
	<b077dce10807300543k5d80b5e1oba54258e7eb27ae3@mail.gmail.com>
	<c137c5970807300553n6ddd1926ydac4a1b65739956c@mail.gmail.com>
	<570824CD-5529-4A8A-B4F1-BEC23BAB4B4F@hypotheticalabs.com>
Message-ID: <b077dce10807300639k40a1f26dt1e83f1aef7076564@mail.gmail.com>

I agree with some of that.  If you aren't that familiar with the
interworkings of your OS though, using the package manager's version will be
a lot easier.  It will help keep you up to date and on the right track.  You
really should use the package manager for as much as possible and only
compile your own binaries when it's absolutely 100% necessary.  If it's
Ubuntu and ruby that you are concerned with, there's no need to be
concerned, I have gone through that package and it's good to go.  There
really isn't much of a need to be on the latest version of 1.8.6.  The
security patches for ruby are an important thing, but so far they break some
stuff in rails, so once that gets figured out then it will be time to
upgrade.  If you are going to compile things from source, learn your
distributions package management system and create packages to install
instead of just compiling the binaries.  You will be much better off in the
end.
Aaron

On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 8:59 AM, Kevin A. Smith
<kevin at hypotheticalabs.com>wrote:

> I take the same approach with Erlang, Java, and Ruby. Compile, if possible,
> from source. If you can't, like in the case of Java, manually install from a
> tarball.
>
> There's enough differences between even minor versions of each language
> that I never trust the packaging decisions made by the distro. Call me
> crazy, but I don't like giving up control on the tools I use to make a
> living. :)
>
> --Kevin
>
> On Jul 30, 2008, at 8:53 AM, Curtis Mitchell wrote:
>
>  I see.  That is why your recommendation was to use aptitude to install
>> ruby1.8 instead of ruby, correct?
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 8:43 AM, Aaron Bedra <aaron at aaronbedra.com>
>> wrote:
>> Using the ruby package is a bad habit to get into with this set of
>> packages.  Whenever the package maintainer decides that the ruby package
>> should use 1.9 or 2.0 instead of 1.8 the package update will blow away all
>> your 1.8 binaries.  I would recommend specifically using the 1.8 packages so
>> that you don't have any of those problems.
>>
>> Aaron
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 11:04 PM, Aaron Schrab <aaron at schrab.com> wrote:
>> The packages with names ending in 1.8 contain binaries that are similarly
>> names.  But there are also standard packages with no version in the name
>> which depend on the versioned packages and containing symlinks to the
>> versioned binaries.
>>
>> So, there's a "ruby" package that (currently) depends on the ruby1.8
>> package.  The main content of this package is a symlink:
>>
>> /usr/bin/ruby -> ruby1.8
>>
>> There are similar packages for irb, ri, and rdoc.
>>
>>
>>
>> At 21:27 -0400 29 Jul 2008, Aaron Bedra <aaron at aaronbedra.com> wrote:
>> Curtis,
>> The Ubuntu packages just name the binaries with a 1.8 at the end.  You can
>> just use them like that, I prefer to symlink them for convention.
>>
>> Aaron
>>
>> # for the basic ruby stack
>> aptitude install build-essential ruby1.8 ruby1.8-dev libopenssl-ruby1.8
>> rdoc1.8 ri1.8 irb1.8
>>
>> # to get the standard executables
>> sudo ln -s /usr/bin/ruby1.8 /usr/local/bin/ruby
>> sudo ln -s /usr/bin/ri1.8 /usr/local/bin/ri
>> sudo ln -s /usr/bin/rdoc1.8 /usr/local/bin/rdoc
>> sudo ln -s /usr/bin/irb1.8 /usr/local/bin/irb
>> _______________________________________________
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From crnixon at gmail.com  Wed Jul 30 10:47:33 2008
From: crnixon at gmail.com (Clinton R. Nixon)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:47:33 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Ubuntu RubyGems
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On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 8:43 AM, Aaron Bedra <aaron at aaronbedra.com> wrote:
> Using the ruby package is a bad habit to get into with this set of packages.
>  Whenever the package maintainer decides that the ruby package should use
> 1.9 or 2.0 instead of 1.8 the package update will blow away all your 1.8
> binaries.  I would recommend specifically using the 1.8 packages so that you
> don't have any of those problems.

I believe that installing the ruby package depends on either 1.8 or
1.9, so you should be OK by installing ruby1.8 and ruby.

- Clinton R. Nixon

From kevin at hypotheticalabs.com  Wed Jul 30 10:48:39 2008
From: kevin at hypotheticalabs.com (Kevin A. Smith)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:48:39 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Ubuntu RubyGems
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Chalk it up to my time spent coding Java but I've experienced nothing  
but pain when I relied on my distro's package management for  
development libraries. One could argue that Java doesn't play well  
with package management systems, and I wouldn't disagree at all, but  
trying to either a) install the latest and greatest of a given library  
or b) install multiple versions of the same JAR via package managers  
is a recipe for Pain (notice the capital letter :)

The situation with my current language of choice, Erlang, isn't much  
better. Most of the distros lag a full release behind for non-trivial  
amounts of time. And even then, getting a package built with the right  
options selected can be a real hassle.

I think Ruby is the best off out of the three I mentioned. Truth be  
told, I install Ruby (the runtime) via package manager 10 times out of  
10. But, I always install gems natively, ie via 'gem install', rather  
than from packages. Why? It all comes down to availability and  
freshness. I don't have to wait for a package to get built or updated  
before I can use the latest and greatest code. That freedom is worth a  
lot to me.

I might be willing to spend some time learning how to roll packages on  
my own but I rarely have the time to spend on it. And when I do the  
documentation is a bit lacking. RPMs in particular are notorious for  
being difficult to roll from scratch. Ubuntu/Debian are probably  
better in this regard but still don't provide nowhere near enough docs  
to get someone going with a minimal investment of time.

Don't get me wrong -- I think package management is great. I love  
packages for things like updating servers, maintaining whole  
environments (dev/test/prod), and distributing fully-baked releases.  
IMHO, packages excel in creating reasonably static environments where  
change must be controlled and tracked. This description rarely  
describes my development environment(s) so I prefer a more manual  
approach.

--Kevin
On Jul 30, 2008, at 9:39 AM, Aaron Bedra wrote:

> I agree with some of that.  If you aren't that familiar with the  
> interworkings of your OS though, using the package manager's version  
> will be a lot easier.  It will help keep you up to date and on the  
> right track.  You really should use the package manager for as much  
> as possible and only compile your own binaries when it's absolutely  
> 100% necessary.  If it's Ubuntu and ruby that you are concerned  
> with, there's no need to be concerned, I have gone through that  
> package and it's good to go.  There really isn't much of a need to  
> be on the latest version of 1.8.6.  The security patches for ruby  
> are an important thing, but so far they break some stuff in rails,  
> so once that gets figured out then it will be time to upgrade.  If  
> you are going to compile things from source, learn your  
> distributions package management system and create packages to  
> install instead of just compiling the binaries.  You will be much  
> better off in the end.
>
> Aaron
>
> On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 8:59 AM, Kevin A. Smith <kevin at hypotheticalabs.com 
> > wrote:
> I take the same approach with Erlang, Java, and Ruby. Compile, if  
> possible, from source. If you can't, like in the case of Java,  
> manually install from a tarball.
>
> There's enough differences between even minor versions of each  
> language that I never trust the packaging decisions made by the  
> distro. Call me crazy, but I don't like giving up control on the  
> tools I use to make a living. :)
>
> --Kevin
>
> On Jul 30, 2008, at 8:53 AM, Curtis Mitchell wrote:
>
> I see.  That is why your recommendation was to use aptitude to  
> install ruby1.8 instead of ruby, correct?
>
> On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 8:43 AM, Aaron Bedra <aaron at aaronbedra.com>  
> wrote:
> Using the ruby package is a bad habit to get into with this set of  
> packages.  Whenever the package maintainer decides that the ruby  
> package should use 1.9 or 2.0 instead of 1.8 the package update will  
> blow away all your 1.8 binaries.  I would recommend specifically  
> using the 1.8 packages so that you don't have any of those problems.
>
> Aaron
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 11:04 PM, Aaron Schrab <aaron at schrab.com>  
> wrote:
> The packages with names ending in 1.8 contain binaries that are  
> similarly names.  But there are also standard packages with no  
> version in the name which depend on the versioned packages and  
> containing symlinks to the versioned binaries.
>
> So, there's a "ruby" package that (currently) depends on the ruby1.8  
> package.  The main content of this package is a symlink:
>
> /usr/bin/ruby -> ruby1.8
>
> There are similar packages for irb, ri, and rdoc.
>
>
>
> At 21:27 -0400 29 Jul 2008, Aaron Bedra <aaron at aaronbedra.com> wrote:
> Curtis,
> The Ubuntu packages just name the binaries with a 1.8 at the end.   
> You can
> just use them like that, I prefer to symlink them for convention.
>
> Aaron
>
> # for the basic ruby stack
> aptitude install build-essential ruby1.8 ruby1.8-dev libopenssl- 
> ruby1.8
> rdoc1.8 ri1.8 irb1.8
>
> # to get the standard executables
> sudo ln -s /usr/bin/ruby1.8 /usr/local/bin/ruby
> sudo ln -s /usr/bin/ri1.8 /usr/local/bin/ri
> sudo ln -s /usr/bin/rdoc1.8 /usr/local/bin/rdoc
> sudo ln -s /usr/bin/irb1.8 /usr/local/bin/irb
> _______________________________________________
> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From jareds.lists at gmail.com  Wed Jul 30 11:22:36 2008
From: jareds.lists at gmail.com (Jared)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:22:36 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Raleigh-area Rails Training
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On Jul 30, 2008, at 9:36 AM, Chris Kubica, PMP wrote:

> Add me to your list. In what timeframe will this happen? Also, I'm
> interested in a beginner class...
>

Beginner Rails or beginner Ruby?

And for timeframe, probably September. Would that work for you?


From aaron at aaronbedra.com  Wed Jul 30 11:26:52 2008
From: aaron at aaronbedra.com (Aaron Bedra)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:26:52 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Ubuntu RubyGems
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+1 to Java and Erlang on Ubuntu.  Both of them are behind and need to be
compiled.  Also +1 on rubygems from source.
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Kevin A. Smith
<kevin at hypotheticalabs.com>wrote:

> Chalk it up to my time spent coding Java but I've experienced nothing but
> pain when I relied on my distro's package management for development
> libraries. One could argue that Java doesn't play well with package
> management systems, and I wouldn't disagree at all, but trying to either a)
> install the latest and greatest of a given library or b) install multiple
> versions of the same JAR via package managers is a recipe for Pain (notice
> the capital letter :)
>
> The situation with my current language of choice, Erlang, isn't much
> better. Most of the distros lag a full release behind for non-trivial
> amounts of time. And even then, getting a package built with the right
> options selected can be a real hassle.
>
> I think Ruby is the best off out of the three I mentioned. Truth be told, I
> install Ruby (the runtime) via package manager 10 times out of 10. But, I
> always install gems natively, ie via 'gem install', rather than from
> packages. Why? It all comes down to availability and freshness. I don't have
> to wait for a package to get built or updated before I can use the latest
> and greatest code. That freedom is worth a lot to me.
>
> I might be willing to spend some time learning how to roll packages on my
> own but I rarely have the time to spend on it. And when I do the
> documentation is a bit lacking. RPMs in particular are notorious for being
> difficult to roll from scratch. Ubuntu/Debian are probably better in this
> regard but still don't provide nowhere near enough docs to get someone going
> with a minimal investment of time.
>
> Don't get me wrong -- I think package management is great. I love packages
> for things like updating servers, maintaining whole environments
> (dev/test/prod), and distributing fully-baked releases. IMHO, packages excel
> in creating reasonably static environments where change must be controlled
> and tracked. This description rarely describes my development environment(s)
> so I prefer a more manual approach.
>
> --Kevin
>
> On Jul 30, 2008, at 9:39 AM, Aaron Bedra wrote:
>
>  I agree with some of that.  If you aren't that familiar with the
>> interworkings of your OS though, using the package manager's version will be
>> a lot easier.  It will help keep you up to date and on the right track.  You
>> really should use the package manager for as much as possible and only
>> compile your own binaries when it's absolutely 100% necessary.  If it's
>> Ubuntu and ruby that you are concerned with, there's no need to be
>> concerned, I have gone through that package and it's good to go.  There
>> really isn't much of a need to be on the latest version of 1.8.6.  The
>> security patches for ruby are an important thing, but so far they break some
>> stuff in rails, so once that gets figured out then it will be time to
>> upgrade.  If you are going to compile things from source, learn your
>> distributions package management system and create packages to install
>> instead of just compiling the binaries.  You will be much better off in the
>> end.
>>
>> Aaron
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 8:59 AM, Kevin A. Smith <
>> kevin at hypotheticalabs.com> wrote:
>> I take the same approach with Erlang, Java, and Ruby. Compile, if
>> possible, from source. If you can't, like in the case of Java, manually
>> install from a tarball.
>>
>> There's enough differences between even minor versions of each language
>> that I never trust the packaging decisions made by the distro. Call me
>> crazy, but I don't like giving up control on the tools I use to make a
>> living. :)
>>
>> --Kevin
>>
>> On Jul 30, 2008, at 8:53 AM, Curtis Mitchell wrote:
>>
>> I see.  That is why your recommendation was to use aptitude to install
>> ruby1.8 instead of ruby, correct?
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 8:43 AM, Aaron Bedra <aaron at aaronbedra.com>
>> wrote:
>> Using the ruby package is a bad habit to get into with this set of
>> packages.  Whenever the package maintainer decides that the ruby package
>> should use 1.9 or 2.0 instead of 1.8 the package update will blow away all
>> your 1.8 binaries.  I would recommend specifically using the 1.8 packages so
>> that you don't have any of those problems.
>>
>> Aaron
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 11:04 PM, Aaron Schrab <aaron at schrab.com> wrote:
>> The packages with names ending in 1.8 contain binaries that are similarly
>> names.  But there are also standard packages with no version in the name
>> which depend on the versioned packages and containing symlinks to the
>> versioned binaries.
>>
>> So, there's a "ruby" package that (currently) depends on the ruby1.8
>> package.  The main content of this package is a symlink:
>>
>> /usr/bin/ruby -> ruby1.8
>>
>> There are similar packages for irb, ri, and rdoc.
>>
>>
>>
>> At 21:27 -0400 29 Jul 2008, Aaron Bedra <aaron at aaronbedra.com> wrote:
>> Curtis,
>> The Ubuntu packages just name the binaries with a 1.8 at the end.  You can
>> just use them like that, I prefer to symlink them for convention.
>>
>> Aaron
>>
>> # for the basic ruby stack
>> aptitude install build-essential ruby1.8 ruby1.8-dev libopenssl-ruby1.8
>> rdoc1.8 ri1.8 irb1.8
>>
>> # to get the standard executables
>> sudo ln -s /usr/bin/ruby1.8 /usr/local/bin/ruby
>> sudo ln -s /usr/bin/ri1.8 /usr/local/bin/ri
>> sudo ln -s /usr/bin/rdoc1.8 /usr/local/bin/rdoc
>> sudo ln -s /usr/bin/irb1.8 /usr/local/bin/irb
>> _______________________________________________
>> raleigh-rb-members mailing list
>> raleigh-rb-members at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/raleigh-rb-members
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From ruby at bandkbroom.com  Wed Jul 30 12:03:13 2008
From: ruby at bandkbroom.com (Brian Broom)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:03:13 -0400
Subject: [raleigh.rb] Ubuntu RubyGems
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Is the plan for 1.9 to include rubygem still on? This will make some of 
this go away.

Also part of the issue is for deploying on a machine you do not own.  
Some admins will be more comfortable installing a package that some 
random tarball from who knows where. 

Brian Broom

Aaron Bedra wrote:
> +1 to Java and Erlang on Ubuntu.  Both of them are behind and need to 
> be compiled.  Also +1 on rubygems from source.
>
> On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Kevin A. Smith 
> <kevin at hypotheticalabs.com <mailto:kevin at hypotheticalabs.com>> wrote:
>
>     Chalk it up to my time spent coding Java but I've experienced
>     nothing but pain when I relied on my distro's package management
>     for development libraries. One could argue that Java doesn't play
>     well with package management systems, and I wouldn't disagree at
>     all, but trying to either a) install the latest and greatest of a
>     given library or b) install multiple versions of the same JAR via
>     package managers is a recipe for Pain (notice the capital letter :)
>
>     The situation with my current language of choice, Erlang, isn't
>     much better. Most of the distros lag a full release behind for
>     non-trivial amounts of time. And even then, getting a package
>     built with the right options selected can be a real hassle.
>
>     I think Ruby is the best off out of the three I mentioned. Truth
>     be told, I install Ruby (the runtime) via package manager 10 times
>     out of 10. But, I always install gems natively, ie via 'gem
>     install', rather than from packages. Why? It all comes down to
>     availability and freshness. I don't have to wait for a package to
>     get built or updated before I can use the latest and greatest
>     code. That freedom is worth a lot to me.
>
>     I might be willing to spend some time learning how to roll
>     packages on my own but I rarely have the time to spend on it. And
>     when I do the documentation is a bit lacking. RPMs in particular
>     are notorious for being difficult to roll from scratch.
>     Ubuntu/Debian are probably better in this regard but still don't
>     provide nowhere near enough docs to get someone going with a
>     minimal investment of time.
>
>     Don't get me wrong -- I think package management is great. I love
>     packages for things like updating servers, maintaining whole
>     environments (dev/test/prod), and distributing fully-baked
>     releases. IMHO, packages excel in creating reasonably static
>     environments where change must be controlled and tracked. This
>     description rarely describes my development environment(s) so I
>     prefer a more manual approach.
>
>     --Kevin
>
>     On Jul 30, 2008, at 9:39 AM, Aaron Bedra wrote:
>
>         I agree with some of that.  If you aren't that familiar with
>         the interworkings of your OS though, using the package
>         manager's version will be a lot easier.  It will help keep you
>         up to date and on the right track.  You really should use the
>         package manager for as much as possible and only compile your
>         own binaries when it's absolutely 100% necessary.  If it's
>         Ubuntu and ruby that you are concerned with, there's no need
>         to be concerned, I have gone through that package and it's
>         good to go.  There really isn't much of a need to be on the
>         latest version of 1.8.6. <http://1.8.6.>  The security patches
>         for ruby are an important thing, but so far they break some
>         stuff in rails, so once that gets figured out then it will be
>         time to upgrade.  If you are going to compile things from
>         source, learn your distributions package management system and
>         create packages to install instead of just compiling the
>         binaries.  You will be much better off in the end.
>
>         Aaron
>
>         On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 8:59 AM, Kevin A. Smith
>         <kevin at hypotheticalabs.com <mailto:kevin at hypotheticalabs.com>>
>         wrote:
>         I take the same approach with Erlang, Java, and Ruby. Compile,
>         if possible, from source. If you can't, like in the case of
>         Java, manually install from a tarball.
>
>         There's enough differences between even minor versions of each
>         language that I never trust the packaging decisions made by
>         the distro. Call me crazy, but I don't like giving up control
>         on the tools I use to make a living. :)
>
>         --Kevin
>
>         On Jul 30, 2008, at 8:53 AM, Curtis Mitchell wrote:
>
>         I see.  That is why your recommendation was to use aptitude to
>         install ruby1.8 instead of ruby, correct?
>
>         On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 8:43 AM, Aaron Bedra
>         <aaron at aaronbedra.com <mailto:aaron at aaronbedra.com>> wrote:
>         Using the ruby package is a bad habit to get into with this
>         set of packages.  Whenever the package maintainer decides that
>         the ruby package should use 1.9 or 2.0 instead of 1.8 the
>         package update will blow away all your 1.8 binaries.  I would
>         recommend specifically using the 1.8 packages so that you
>         don't have any of those problems.
>
>         Aaron
>
>
>         On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 11:04 PM, Aaron Schrab
>         <aaron at schrab.com <mailto:aaron at schrab.com>> wrote:
>         The packages with names ending in 1.8 contain binaries that
>         are similarly names.  But there are also standard packages
>         with no version in the name which depend on the versioned
>         packages and containing symlinks to the versioned binaries.
>
>         So, there's a "ruby" package that (currently) depends on the
>         ruby1.8 package.  The main content of this package is a symlink:
>
>         /usr/bin/ruby -> ruby1.8
>
>         There are similar packages for irb, ri, and rdoc.
>
>
>
>         At 21:27 -0400 29 Jul 2008, Aaron Bedra <aaron at aaronbedra.com
>         <mailto:aaron at aaronbedra.com>> wrote:
>         Curtis,
>         The Ubuntu packages just name the binaries with a 1.8 at the
>         end.  You can
>         just use them like that, I prefer to symlink them for convention.
>
>         Aaron
>
>         # for the basic ruby stack
>         aptitude install build-essential ruby1.8 ruby1.8-dev
>         libopenssl-ruby1.8
>         rdoc1.8 ri1.8 irb1.8
>
>         # to get the standard executables
>         sudo ln -s /usr/bin/ruby1.8 /usr/local/bin/ruby
>         sudo ln -s /usr/bin/ri1.8 /usr/local/bin/ri
>         sudo ln -s /usr/bin/rdoc1.8 /usr/local/bin/rdoc
>         sudo ln -s /usr/bin/irb1.8 /usr/local/bin/irb
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