From why at poignantguide.net Wed Nov 16 14:03:18 2005 From: why at poignantguide.net (why the lucky stiff) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:03:18 -0700 Subject: Poignant repository moved to SVN Message-ID: <437B8276.4040404@poignantguide.net> With numerous translations now underway for the (Poignant) Guide, I am working to make things easier for these hard-working kids who are tediously retyping the whole thing. I am envisioning that changes to the text can be made to the repository, which will be rebuilt hourly, with subdomains for each language. The new repository is at: http://code.whytheluckystiff.net/ Checkout the (Poignant) Guide from http://code.whytheluckystiff.net/svn/poignant/trunk I'm sorry but no one has commit rights at the moment. I'm working on a means of using your Rubyforge account through the new repo. I'll let you know. _why From sl33p3r at free.fr Wed Nov 16 14:36:35 2005 From: sl33p3r at free.fr (Frederick Ros) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:36:35 +0100 Subject: Poignant repository moved to SVN In-Reply-To: <437B8276.4040404@poignantguide.net> References: <437B8276.4040404@poignantguide.net> Message-ID: <20051116193635.GB9721@hal.void.org> why the lucky stiff wrote : | With numerous translations now underway for the (Poignant) Guide, I am | working to make things easier for these hard-working kids who are | tediously retyping the whole thing. I am envisioning that changes to | the text can be made to the repository, which will be rebuilt hourly, | with subdomains for each language. Hi _why, As explained previously I've done some little changes to allow localization and so .... As I finished the translation of the 3rd chaprter tonight, I'm going to commit it to Rubyforge CVS, in the wpgtr-intl module, in order for you to review it, just to know if it's ok for you. Are you OK for this ? Best Regards, -- Frederick Ros aka Sleeper -- sleeper at jabber.fr "If you want to travel around the world and be invited to speak at a lot of different places, just write a Unix operating system." (By Linus Torvalds) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Are you also checking in with the new translation structure? _why From sl33p3r at free.fr Wed Nov 16 15:22:05 2005 From: sl33p3r at free.fr (Frederick Ros) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 21:22:05 +0100 Subject: Poignant repository moved to SVN In-Reply-To: <437B8DBC.4010601@poignantguide.net> References: <437B8276.4040404@poignantguide.net> <20051116193635.GB9721@hal.void.org> <437B8DBC.4010601@poignantguide.net> Message-ID: <20051116202205.GC9721@hal.void.org> why the lucky stiff wrote : | Great, I'll look out for it. | | Are you also checking in with the new translation structure? Yep ... poignant-en.yml and the like ;) -- Frederick Ros aka Sleeper -- sleeper at jabber.fr "I once witnessed a long-winded, month-long flamewar over the use of mice vs. trackballs...It was very silly." (By Matt Welsh) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Basically, to build both the English and French version in the /home/httpd/poignant-site directory, you can issue a rake all /home/httpd/poignant-site This will locate English version in /home/httpd/poignant-site/en and French one in /home/httpd/poignant-site/fr Best Regards, -- Frederick Ros aka Sleeper -- sleeper at jabber.fr Sigh. I like to think it's just the Linux people who want to be on the "leading edge" so bad they walk right off the precipice. (Craig E. Groeschel) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I will get back to you shortly. _why From sl33p3r at free.fr Sat Nov 19 06:19:27 2005 From: sl33p3r at free.fr (Frederick Ros) Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 12:19:27 +0100 Subject: Localization mechanism. Message-ID: <20051119111927.GF9776@hal.void.org> Hi all, Just a quick mail to indicate that I've introduced a new localization mechanism in order to ease the work of translators. For the time being it's on rubyforge CVS, in the wpgtr-intl module (instead of the wpgtr). I do not know if why is planning to use it/move it to subversion, but I think that it could help the work of translators. To start a new translation you'll need to create 2 files: the YAML file for the book, as well as a ruby file for the localization object. Let's suppose I want to translate the book to French. I will create the files: - poignant-fr.yml: with translation of the book, using the same YAML markup as the original book (renamed poignant-en.yml by the way) - localization-fr.rb: this file contains the following stuff: Localization.add( 'fr' ) { next_page "suivante" previous_page "pr?c?dente" encoding 'ISO-8859-15' locale 'fr' turn_page 'Tournez la page' header_title 'Le guide (poignant) de why vers ruby' } i.e all the local stuff needed by the Erb files. Then by calling: rake fr ../poignant-site I'll generate the HTML pages for the French translation in ../poignant-site/fr. Note that calling rake all will create all localizations in (i.e. /en , /fr ... Hope it will ease the tasks of the translators. By the way the 1st 3rd chapters of the French translation are available in the CVS (I did not yet find tile to publish them on my site in the nice way). Best Regards, -- Frederick Ros aka Sleeper -- sleeper at jabber.fr Use data arrays to avoid repetitive control sequences. - The Elements of Programming Style (Kernighan & Plaugher) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/poignant-translators/attachments/20051119/6fa2f372/attachment.bin From why at poignantguide.net Mon Nov 21 19:58:24 2005 From: why at poignantguide.net (why the lucky stiff) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 17:58:24 -0700 Subject: Localization mechanism. In-Reply-To: <20051119111927.GF9776@hal.void.org> References: <20051119111927.GF9776@hal.void.org> Message-ID: <43826D30.9010606@poignantguide.net> Frederick Ros wrote: >Just a quick mail to indicate that I've introduced a new localization >mechanism in order to ease the work of translators. >For the time being it's on rubyforge CVS, in the wpgtr-intl module >(instead of the wpgtr). I do not know if why is planning to use it/move >it to subversion, but I think that it could help the work of >translators. > > I have reviewed it and have moved it to Subversion. Thankyou, Frederick! This is invaluable work, I truly appreciate it. And your French translation is magnificent! I can't believe how far you've gone. I will work on getting this up at http://fr.poignantguide.net later tonight. I have made a few alterations. I've split things up into directories: - scripts: contains all the Ruby code for generating the book. - lang-en: contains the English text. - lang-fr: contains the French text. As we accumulate translations, it'll slow you down to keep around translations you're not working on. This way, if you'd like to work on the French, you need only checkout two modules: mkdir poignant svn co http://code.whytheluckystiff.net/svn/poignant/trunk/scripts scripts svn co http://code.whytheluckystiff.net/svn/poignant/trunk/lang-fr lang-fr How does this sound? I'm not sure what to do about the images yet. I will think about this tonight. _why From sl33p3r at free.fr Mon Nov 21 20:19:53 2005 From: sl33p3r at free.fr (Frederick Ros) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 02:19:53 +0100 Subject: Localization mechanism. In-Reply-To: <43826D30.9010606@poignantguide.net> References: <20051119111927.GF9776@hal.void.org> <43826D30.9010606@poignantguide.net> Message-ID: <20051122011953.GB9572@hal.void.org> why the lucky stiff wrote : | I have reviewed it and have moved it to Subversion. Thankyou, | Frederick! This is invaluable work, I truly appreciate it. And your | French translation is magnificent! I can't believe how far you've | gone. I will work on getting this up at http://fr.poignantguide.net | later tonight. Wow ! That's great ! Thanks ! | I have made a few alterations. I've split things up into directories: | | - scripts: contains all the Ruby code for generating the book. | - lang-en: contains the English text. | - lang-fr: contains the French text. Yeah I also think about that and that the neater layout .. | As we accumulate translations, it'll slow you down to keep around | translations you're not working on. This way, if you'd like to work on | the French, you need only checkout two modules: | | mkdir poignant | svn co http://code.whytheluckystiff.net/svn/poignant/trunk/scripts scripts | svn co http://code.whytheluckystiff.net/svn/poignant/trunk/lang-fr lang-fr | | How does this sound? I'm not sure what to do about the images yet. I | will think about this tonight. That's very nice ! Regarding the images, this is a problem .. Right now I didn't translate anything from the images, but I can add "subtitles" tot them with translation .. Being a bad artist (my 5 years old boy draws better than me ;) I do not want to alter your art ! -- Frederick Ros aka Sleeper -- sleeper at jabber.fr "Are [Linux users] lemmings collectively jumping off of the cliff of reliable, well-engineered commercial software?" (By Matt Welsh) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Microsoft spel chekar vor sail, worgs grate !! (By leitner at inf.fu-berlin.de, Felix von Leitner) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/poignant-translators/attachments/20051122/166c981d/attachment.bin From why at poignantguide.net Mon Nov 21 22:09:04 2005 From: why at poignantguide.net (why the lucky stiff) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 20:09:04 -0700 Subject: Localization mechanism. In-Reply-To: <20051122012514.GC9572@hal.void.org> References: <20051119111927.GF9776@hal.void.org> <43826D30.9010606@poignantguide.net> <20051122012514.GC9572@hal.void.org> Message-ID: <43828BD0.2010209@poignantguide.net> Frederick Ros wrote: > why the lucky stiff wrote : > | gone. I will work on getting this up at http://fr.poignantguide.net > | later tonight. It is up! > Just a couple of ideas: > > - will it be possible to alter it when I add more content ? Yes, I will have it check for updates to Subversion regularly. How about: - All changes will appear at http://fr-draft.poignantguide.net. - When you are ready to update, you may create an SVN tag and it will update http://fr.poignantguide.net/. > - Is it possible for me to add a page at the end of the book in order > to thank people that will send me errors/typos/idea on translation > ? I would like your name to appear under mine wherever the credits are. Like so: This book was tenderly written and illustrated by why the lucky stiff. French translation by Frederick Ros. Other translators who contribute a large amount (chapter-sized) should be credited as well for their work. You may link your name with contact information and also we will add a note under the Creative Commons box on the right hand side. Whatever will be most convenient. _why From why at poignantguide.net Mon Nov 21 22:40:52 2005 From: why at poignantguide.net (why the lucky stiff) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 20:40:52 -0700 Subject: Translation project is alive, French is up Message-ID: <43829344.5070807@poignantguide.net> Frederick Ros has mentioned his work on the French translation. And, also, he's done work to restructure the book to make it easy for translators to contribute. His work is really paying off, I am indebted to him. The current state of his French translation is up at: http://fr.poignantguide.net/ == How to Start a Translation == If you'd like to pitch in, here's how: 1. Check out the (Poignant) Guide from the repository. (You must have Subversion[1] installed.) svn co http://code.whytheluckystiff.net/svn/poignant/trunk poignant cd poignant 2. The English translation is in the `lang-en' directory. The French translation is in the `lang-fr' directory. Each of these directories contains two files: poignant.yml: The complete text of the book, stored in YAML[2]. localization.rb: A few language-specific settings (such as character encodings.) 3. If you'd like to start a new translation, add a new directory next to the English and French directories. For example, a German translation based on the original English would go like this: cp -r lang-en lang-de svn add lang-de You should use the ISO 639-1 code for your language. [3] If there is no 639-1 code, use the 639-2 one. 4. Once you are done editing, check in your work. If you've never checked into my repository before, get an account at: http://code.whytheluckystiff.net/ You will need to use your Rubyforge account. If you don't have one, hit: http://rubyforge.org/. Check in your work by running `svn commit' inside the top `poignant' folder. 5. After an hour or so, you should see your work published to the draft domain for your language. Using German as the example again: http://de-draft.poignantguide.net/ Please save your work frequently, even mid-sentence if you need. No one expects the drafts to be complete or sensible at all. 6. Once you're ready to publish your changes to your language's domain, update the version number in your language's localization.rb file. If you have just finished translating up to chapter 4, I'd suggest using version '0.4' as the number. Then, let's say you get partway through chapter five. Use '0.4.1'. Once again, run `svn commit' and the changes will then appear at http://fr.poignantguide.net/. -- Still left to be done: list the translations on the (Poignant) Guide cover page. I think I'll add a bar running across the top. _why [1] http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.1/index.html [2] http://yaml4r.sf.net/cookbook/ [3] http://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/langcodes.html From sl33p3r at free.fr Tue Nov 22 00:01:38 2005 From: sl33p3r at free.fr (Frederick Ros) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 06:01:38 +0100 Subject: Localization mechanism. In-Reply-To: <43828BD0.2010209@poignantguide.net> References: <20051119111927.GF9776@hal.void.org> <43826D30.9010606@poignantguide.net> <20051122012514.GC9572@hal.void.org> <43828BD0.2010209@poignantguide.net> Message-ID: <20051122050138.GD9572@hal.void.org> why the lucky stiff wrote : | It is up! Yeah ! Nice to see it with the beautifull layout of the original ! | - All changes will appear at http://fr-draft.poignantguide.net. | - When you are ready to update, you may create an SVN tag and it will | update http://fr.poignantguide.net/. Wow !!! Continuous Integration at its best ... | I would like your name to appear under mine wherever the credits are. | | Like so: | | This book was tenderly written and | illustrated by why the lucky stiff. | | French translation by Frederick Ros. | | Other translators who contribute a large amount (chapter-sized) should | be credited as well for their work. | | You may link your name with contact information and also we will add a | note under the Creative Commons box on the right hand side. Whatever | will be most convenient. OK. Works for me. -- Frederick Ros aka Sleeper -- sleeper at jabber.fr We are using Linux daily to UP our productivity - so UP yours! (Adapted from Pat Paulsen by Joe Sloan) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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A few things: * The localization.rb files have moved into localization.yml files (to ease security.) * We're not doing the SVN tag thing. Just update the `version' setting in the localization.yml to update http://fr.poignantguide.net/. _why From sl33p3r at free.fr Tue Nov 22 00:36:46 2005 From: sl33p3r at free.fr (Frederick Ros) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 06:36:46 +0100 Subject: Localization mechanism. In-Reply-To: <4382AE78.9090302@poignantguide.net> References: <20051119111927.GF9776@hal.void.org> <43826D30.9010606@poignantguide.net> <20051122012514.GC9572@hal.void.org> <43828BD0.2010209@poignantguide.net> <20051122050138.GD9572@hal.void.org> <4382AE78.9090302@poignantguide.net> Message-ID: <20051122053646.GE9572@hal.void.org> why the lucky stiff wrote : | Okay, this is all finished and running. A few things: | | * The localization.rb files have moved into localization.yml files (to | ease security.) | * We're not doing the SVN tag thing. Just update the `version' setting | in the localization.yml to update http://fr.poignantguide.net/. OK. I'm going to post something on the Ruby FR mailing-list translating your mail, to explain others how they can contribute :) Thanks again. -- Frederick Ros aka Sleeper -- sleeper at jabber.fr "sic transit discus mundi" (From the System Administrator's Guide, by Lars Wirzenius) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I've done some editing today and it's not appearing in the fr-draft site ... -- Frederick Ros aka Sleeper -- sleeper at jabber.fr "Whip me. Beat me. Make me maintain AIX." (By Stephan Zielinski) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/poignant-translators/attachments/20051122/d5083768/attachment.bin From why at poignantguide.net Tue Nov 22 12:35:44 2005 From: why at poignantguide.net (why the lucky stiff) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 10:35:44 -0700 Subject: Translation project is alive, French is up In-Reply-To: <20051122171723.GF9572@hal.void.org> References: <43829344.5070807@poignantguide.net> <20051122171723.GF9572@hal.void.org> Message-ID: <438356F0.9090701@poignantguide.net> Frederick Ros wrote: >Hi Why, > >It seems to not work. I've done some editing today and it's not >appearing in the fr-draft site ... > > Look again. I needed to a fix a problem, but it should be repaired. _why From sl33p3r at free.fr Tue Nov 22 12:39:46 2005 From: sl33p3r at free.fr (Frederick Ros) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:39:46 +0100 Subject: Translation project is alive, French is up In-Reply-To: <20051122171723.GF9572@hal.void.org> References: <43829344.5070807@poignantguide.net> <20051122171723.GF9572@hal.void.org> Message-ID: <20051122173946.GG9572@hal.void.org> Frederick Ros wrote : | Hi Why, | | It seems to not work. I've done some editing today and it's not | appearing in the fr-draft site ... Humm .. strange enough some parts (from the poignant.yml) have been updated while some others (present in index.erb) not ... -- Frederick Ros aka Sleeper -- sleeper at jabber.fr Use data arrays to avoid repetitive control sequences. - The Elements of Programming Style (Kernighan & Plaugher) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Still a pb in the left side of the page (index): I added something about the translation as well as the translation of the "This book was tenderly written and illustrated by why the lucky stiff." but it does not show up :( -- Frederick Ros aka Sleeper -- sleeper at jabber.fr Don't use conditional branches as a substitute for a logical expression. - The Elements of Programming Style (Kernighan & Plaugher) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/poignant-translators/attachments/20051122/c62dc120/attachment.bin From why at poignantguide.net Tue Nov 22 13:08:04 2005 From: why at poignantguide.net (why the lucky stiff) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 11:08:04 -0700 Subject: Translation project is alive, French is up In-Reply-To: <20051122174124.GH9572@hal.void.org> References: <43829344.5070807@poignantguide.net> <20051122171723.GF9572@hal.void.org> <438356F0.9090701@poignantguide.net> <20051122174124.GH9572@hal.void.org> Message-ID: <43835E84.1090601@poignantguide.net> Frederick Ros wrote: >why the lucky stiff wrote : >| Look again. I needed to a fix a problem, but it should be repaired. > >Still a pb in the left side of the page (index): I added something about >the translation as well as the translation of the "This book was >tenderly written and illustrated by why the lucky stiff." but it does >not show up :( > > Oh, sorry, forgot to mention that. Changes to the templates (and anything under /scripts) will not be published automatically. Just put a message here on the list and I'll check it out before updating. Your changes should appear now. _why From sl33p3r at free.fr Tue Nov 22 13:14:49 2005 From: sl33p3r at free.fr (Frederick Ros) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:14:49 +0100 Subject: Translation project is alive, French is up In-Reply-To: <43835E84.1090601@poignantguide.net> References: <43829344.5070807@poignantguide.net> <20051122171723.GF9572@hal.void.org> <438356F0.9090701@poignantguide.net> <20051122174124.GH9572@hal.void.org> <43835E84.1090601@poignantguide.net> Message-ID: <20051122181449.GI9572@hal.void.org> why the lucky stiff wrote : | Oh, sorry, forgot to mention that. Changes to the templates (and | anything under /scripts) will not be published automatically. Just put | a message here on the list and I'll check it out before updating. | | Your changes should appear now. OK !! Here they are !! Thanks a lot Why !! -- Frederick Ros aka Sleeper -- sleeper at jabber.fr Don't patch bad code - rewrite it. - The Elements of Programming Style (Kernighan & Plaugher) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/poignant-translators/attachments/20051122/c63a6065/attachment.bin From why at poignantguide.net Thu Nov 24 02:54:30 2005 From: why at poignantguide.net (why the lucky stiff) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 00:54:30 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: Poignant Guide: highlighting with CodeRay instead?] Message-ID: <438571B6.4060006@poignantguide.net> I really like the code output which murphy is generating on his German edition. What does everyone think? Any input on the syntax coloring? I like the reds a lot. _why -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: murphy Subject: Poignant Guide: highlighting with CodeRay instead? Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 04:12:46 +0100 Size: 2612 Url: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/poignant-translators/attachments/20051124/1eac2351/highlightingwithCodeRayinstead.eml From sl33p3r at free.fr Thu Nov 24 03:15:28 2005 From: sl33p3r at free.fr (Frederick Ros) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 09:15:28 +0100 Subject: [Fwd: Poignant Guide: highlighting with CodeRay instead?] In-Reply-To: <438571B6.4060006@poignantguide.net> References: <438571B6.4060006@poignantguide.net> Message-ID: <1132820128.438576a05b2f2@imp4-g19.free.fr> Quoting why the lucky stiff : > I really like the code output which murphy is generating on his German > edition. What does everyone think? Any input on the syntax coloring? > I like the reds a lot. > Yep ! I like it a lot .. Color scheme is more ruby-ish ... The 'hints' are awesome too !!!! Could be interesting to "port" the german translation to the new repository too :) Frederick Ros aka Sleeper -- sleeper at jabber.fr From why at poignantguide.net Thu Nov 24 03:42:11 2005 From: why at poignantguide.net (why the lucky stiff) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 01:42:11 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: Poignant Guide: highlighting with CodeRay instead?] In-Reply-To: <1132820128.438576a05b2f2@imp4-g19.free.fr> References: <438571B6.4060006@poignantguide.net> <1132820128.438576a05b2f2@imp4-g19.free.fr> Message-ID: <43857CE3.5000604@poignantguide.net> Frederick Ros wrote: > Could be interesting to "port" the german translation to the new repository too > :) murph's working on it right now. :D !! _why From why at poignantguide.net Thu Nov 24 16:41:29 2005 From: why at poignantguide.net (why the lucky stiff) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 14:41:29 -0700 Subject: Setup for German (Poignant) Guide In-Reply-To: <43861C6D.1080109@cYcnus.de> References: <43836BC6.70207@whytheluckystiff.net> <43852BBB.8080608@cYcnus.de> <43857166.5020601@whytheluckystiff.net> <43861C6D.1080109@cYcnus.de> Message-ID: <43863389.6030906@poignantguide.net> murphy wrote: >> Great, now we just need you to check in! > > yes, I'm in. Well done, thankyou! > I also enhanced my localization.yml. > Now I'm very motivated to translate more - starting with the rest of > "The Tiger's Vest". I've added your localization.yml changes to lang-en/ and lang-fr/ and to the templates. Frederick will need to update. > there is a problem with this chapter, maybe with Textile. you can see > it here: > > http://ruby.cycnus.de/guide/expansion-pak-1.html Please use RedCloth from SVN. I'll hook up svn:externals later so we're all using the same version. Thanks for your hard work, murph! _why From sl33p3r at free.fr Thu Nov 24 16:50:59 2005 From: sl33p3r at free.fr (Frederick Ros) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 22:50:59 +0100 Subject: Setup for German (Poignant) Guide In-Reply-To: <43863389.6030906@poignantguide.net> References: <43836BC6.70207@whytheluckystiff.net> <43852BBB.8080608@cYcnus.de> <43857166.5020601@whytheluckystiff.net> <43861C6D.1080109@cYcnus.de> <43863389.6030906@poignantguide.net> Message-ID: <20051124215059.GA12953@hal.void.org> why the lucky stiff wrote : | > Now I'm very motivated to translate more - starting with the rest of | > "The Tiger's Vest". Same for me here !!! | I've added your localization.yml changes to lang-en/ and lang-fr/ and to | the templates. Frederick will need to update. Done. -- Frederick Ros aka Sleeper -- sleeper at jabber.fr Terminate input by end-of-file or marker, not by count. - The Elements of Programming Style (Kernighan & Plaugher) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/poignant-translators/attachments/20051124/9eccc16b/attachment-0001.bin From murphy at cYcnus.de Thu Nov 24 19:55:44 2005 From: murphy at cYcnus.de (murphy) Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 01:55:44 +0100 Subject: Setup for German (Poignant) Guide In-Reply-To: <43863389.6030906@poignantguide.net> References: <43836BC6.70207@whytheluckystiff.net> <43852BBB.8080608@cYcnus.de> <43857166.5020601@whytheluckystiff.net> <43861C6D.1080109@cYcnus.de> <43863389.6030906@poignantguide.net> Message-ID: <43866110.4040704@cYcnus.de> > I've added your localization.yml changes to lang-en/ and lang-fr/ and to the > templates. Frederick will need to update. that works, thanks. > > there is a problem with this chapter, maybe with Textile.... > Please use RedCloth from SVN. I'll hook up svn:externals later so we're all > using the same version. this alone didn't solve it, but your fix in poignant.yml works: - 
+      _* 

O_o sometimes, Textile makes me crazy.

[murphy]

From sl33p3r at free.fr  Sun Nov 27 08:32:53 2005
From: sl33p3r at free.fr (Frederick Ros)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 14:32:53 +0100
Subject: Setup for German (Poignant) Guide
In-Reply-To: <43863389.6030906@poignantguide.net>
References: <43836BC6.70207@whytheluckystiff.net> <43852BBB.8080608@cYcnus.de>
	<43857166.5020601@whytheluckystiff.net>
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Message-ID: <20051127133253.GB24503@hal.void.org>

why the lucky stiff wrote :
| > Now I'm very motivated to translate more - starting with the rest of 
| > "The Tiger's Vest".

Talking about that, I just upgraded the latest version of Ruby from
1.8.2 to 1.8.3, in the en, de and fr versions of the book.

-- 
Frederick Ros aka Sleeper -- sleeper at jabber.fr

    if (argc > 1 && strcmp(argv[1], "-advice") == 0) {
	printf("Don't Panic!\n");
	exit(42);
    }
(Arnold Robbins in the LJ of February '95, describing RCS)
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From murphy at cYcnus.de  Sun Nov 27 09:34:57 2005
From: murphy at cYcnus.de (murphy)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 15:34:57 +0100
Subject: update of the latest ruby version (1.8.3 instead of 1.8.2)
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hi sleeper!

> Talking about that, I just upgraded the latest version of Ruby from 1.8.2 to 
> 1.8.3, in the en, de and fr versions of the book.
I'm not sure if this should be done.
1.8.3 is not the latest version, but just a development branch, isn't it?

on dec 24 we will have 1.8.4 from Santa Matz; this could be a better point to
update this.

what do you think?

happy translation!
[murphy]

From sl33p3r at free.fr  Sun Nov 27 11:32:48 2005
From: sl33p3r at free.fr (Frederick Ros)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 17:32:48 +0100
Subject: update of the latest ruby version (1.8.3 instead of 1.8.2)
In-Reply-To: <4389C411.9010009@cYcnus.de>
References: <43836BC6.70207@whytheluckystiff.net> <43852BBB.8080608@cYcnus.de>
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murphy wrote :
| hi sleeper!

Hi Murphy !


| I'm not sure if this should be done.
| 1.8.3 is not the latest version, but just a development branch, isn't
| it?

From the ruby-lang.org homepage, the latest stable release is 1.8.3
... So I think it's the latest one.
 
| on dec 24 we will have 1.8.4 from Santa Matz; this could be a better point to
| update this.

Yep ... We can be proactive and update to 1.8.4 ... I'm not sure I'll
have terminated my translation by Christmas, so, you're right we can
replace the version with 1.8.4 *in the translations*. IMHO the original
one should stick to the 1.8.3 (or 1.8.2)

| happy translation!

Happy translation to you too ;) and nice job for you're highlighting
library !

-- 
Frederick Ros aka Sleeper -- sleeper at jabber.fr

"Absolutely nothing should be concluded from these figures except that
no conclusion can be drawn from them."
 (By Joseph L. Brothers, Linux/PowerPC Project)
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From murphy at cYcnus.de  Sun Nov 27 12:31:52 2005
From: murphy at cYcnus.de (murphy)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 18:31:52 +0100
Subject: update of the latest ruby version (1.8.3 instead of 1.8.2)
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> From the ruby-lang.org homepage, the latest stable release is 1.8.3 ... So I
> think it's the latest one.
you are right!
the OCI for windoze is still 1.8.2 - my fault.
thanks for updating the German verasin, then.

> Happy translation to you too ;) and nice job for you're highlighting library
> !
thank you :D
- positive feedback is every programmer's energy.
if I had less other work to do, it would be already released! (*grmlb*)

[murphy]

From sl33p3r at free.fr  Sun Nov 27 16:20:12 2005
From: sl33p3r at free.fr (Frederick Ros)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 22:20:12 +0100
Subject: update of the latest ruby version (1.8.3 instead of 1.8.2)
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murphy wrote :
| you are right!

On the other hand, the (poignant) guide states that odd minor version
are development release ... So should we remove this part of the
(poignant) guide ?

-- 
Frederick Ros aka Sleeper -- sleeper at jabber.fr

I did this 'cause Linux gives me a woody.  It doesn't generate revenue.
(Dave '-ddt->` Taylor, announcing DOOM for Linux)
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From murphy at cYcnus.de  Sun Nov 27 16:36:00 2005
From: murphy at cYcnus.de (murphy)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 22:36:00 +0100
Subject: update of the latest ruby version (1.8.3 instead of 1.8.2)
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> On the other hand, the (poignant) guide states that odd minor version are
> development release ... So should we remove this part of the (poignant) guide
> ?
yes, the MINOR version.
the 3 in 1.8.3 is the teeny version.

[murphy]

From sl33p3r at free.fr  Mon Nov 28 01:13:21 2005
From: sl33p3r at free.fr (Frederick Ros)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 07:13:21 +0100
Subject: update of the latest ruby version (1.8.3 instead of 1.8.2)
In-Reply-To: <438A26C0.3040603@cYcnus.de>
References: <43852BBB.8080608@cYcnus.de>
	<43857166.5020601@whytheluckystiff.net>
	<43861C6D.1080109@cYcnus.de> <43863389.6030906@poignantguide.net>
	<20051127133253.GB24503@hal.void.org> <4389C411.9010009@cYcnus.de>
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	<20051127212012.GE24503@hal.void.org> <438A26C0.3040603@cYcnus.de>
Message-ID: <20051128061321.GF24503@hal.void.org>

murphy wrote :
| yes, the MINOR version.
| the 3 in 1.8.3 is the teeny version.

Arghhhh... I should sleep more ;)


-- 
Frederick Ros aka Sleeper -- sleeper at jabber.fr

Use the good features of a language; avoid the bad ones.
            - The Elements of Programming Style (Kernighan & Plaugher)
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