From why at poignantguide.net  Tue Mar  7 02:04:40 2006
From: why at poignantguide.net (why the lucky stiff)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 00:04:40 -0700
Subject: 2006 (Poignant) Guide
Message-ID: <440D3088.106@poignantguide.net>

Hey, everyone.  I'm testing out an updated design and could really use a 
skim in your browser of choice.  Specifically if IE or Safari is your 
browser of choice.

Here are the testing URLs:

  http://qa.poignantguide.net/
  http://de-draft.poignantguide.net/
  http://fr-draft.poignantguide.net/


(A reverent bow without equal.)

_why

From hawkman.gelooft at gmail.com  Tue Mar  7 02:31:07 2006
From: hawkman.gelooft at gmail.com (Dirk Meijer)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 08:31:07 +0100
Subject: 2006 (Poignant) Guide
In-Reply-To: <440D3088.106@poignantguide.net>
References: <440D3088.106@poignantguide.net>
Message-ID: <b1188aec0603062331x12b8a8f8w@mail.gmail.com>

hi there,
i'm using IE (because my mom won't allow me to install firefox on her
computer)
and it's looks fine, though i liked the old look better ;-)
greetings, Dirk.


2006/3/7, why the lucky stiff <why at poignantguide.net>:
>
> Hey, everyone.  I'm testing out an updated design and could really use a
> skim in your browser of choice.  Specifically if IE or Safari is your
> browser of choice.
>
> Here are the testing URLs:
>
> http://qa.poignantguide.net/
> http://de-draft.poignantguide.net/
> http://fr-draft.poignantguide.net/
>
>
> (A reverent bow without equal.)
>
> _why
> _______________________________________________
> poignant-stiffs mailing list
> poignant-stiffs at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/poignant-stiffs
>
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From sl33p3r at free.fr  Tue Mar  7 03:31:06 2006
From: sl33p3r at free.fr (Frederick Ros)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 09:31:06 +0100
Subject: 2006 (Poignant) Guide
In-Reply-To: <440D3088.106@poignantguide.net>
References: <440D3088.106@poignantguide.net>
Message-ID: <1141720266.440d44ca3f3cf@imp7-g19.free.fr>

Quoting why the lucky stiff <why at poignantguide.net>:

> Hey, everyone.  I'm testing out an updated design and could really use a
> skim in your browser of choice.  Specifically if IE or Safari is your
> browser of choice.
>
> Here are the testing URLs:
>
>   http://qa.poignantguide.net/
>   http://de-draft.poignantguide.net/
>   http://fr-draft.poignantguide.net/
>
>
> (A reverent bow without equal.)

Unfortunately the left sidebar does not appear on IE at work ( version 6.0 it
seems).

I *do* really like the new look :)


Frederick Ros aka Sleeper -- sleeper at jabber.fr

From zefredz at gmail.com  Tue Mar  7 03:37:16 2006
From: zefredz at gmail.com (ZeFredz)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 09:37:16 +0100
Subject: 2006 (Poignant) Guide
In-Reply-To: <440D3088.106@poignantguide.net>
References: <440D3088.106@poignantguide.net>
Message-ID: <440D463C.2020505@gmail.com>

Hello,

It works fine on my Safari (Safari 1.3.2 on MacOSX 10.3.9).

Cheers

-- 
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01100101 01100100 01111010
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From olleolleolle at home.se  Tue Mar  7 04:12:34 2006
From: olleolleolle at home.se (Olle Jonsson)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 10:12:34 +0100
Subject: 2006 (Poignant) Guide
In-Reply-To: <440D463C.2020505@gmail.com>
References: <440D3088.106@poignantguide.net> <440D463C.2020505@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <440D4E82.9090500@home.se>

ZeFredz:
> Hello,
> 
> It works fine on my Safari (Safari 1.3.2 on MacOSX 10.3.9).
> 
> Cheers
> 
Hi, and thanks for keeping the Guide alive and well.

These incremental redesigns are swell. Also makes me re-read the text. 
(Honing the basics is great!)

And the site looks OK in my Operahhhh:

Version		9.00
Build		8212
Platform	Win32
System		Windows XP

...apart from the fact that the "right-side-hugging factory image" and 
the top teaser about ch. 6 has whitespace after it. An inch or so. So, 
you get the scrollbar at the bottom.

The Opera works fine with a big window, but smaller sizes quash the 
text together. (People, get bigger screens, the Guide is worth a read.)

In the "other browser" aka IE6, it is all trouble:

The left-hand side-bar, where TOC is going, is nowhere to be seen. 
Just not there. But the text-part of the page, is layouted nicely.

regards from copenhagen, denmark,
    Olle



-- 
Olle Jonsson
Prinsesse Charlottes Gade 40b, 3 t.h.
2200 K?benhavn N, Denmark
mobile: +45-2212 3703
home: +45-3295 2172

From murphy at cYcnus.de  Tue Mar  7 07:55:05 2006
From: murphy at cYcnus.de (murphy)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 13:55:05 +0100
Subject: 2006 (Poignant) Guide
In-Reply-To: <440D3088.106@poignantguide.net>
References: <440D3088.106@poignantguide.net>
Message-ID: <440D82A9.4060907@cYcnus.de>

> testing out an updated design ...IE
no, no sidebar in IE 6 here. Microsoft stinks.
I got no idea what's causing it.

about the new design: why is testing our visual senses again.
I had to look at it twice, but it starts to please me...no, I like it.
I can imagine people restarting their browser because they think it's a grafic 
error - but those who have no humor understanding pop art probably don't like 
the guide itself. so, it fits.

the caption "why" is not really identifiable.

the black'n'white foxes are definitely my new avatar at rubyforen.de - if _why 
doesn't demand copyright taxes :)

in ten years, _why surely has his own room in the MoMA.
[murphy]

From robin.shannon at gmail.com  Tue Mar  7 08:53:06 2006
From: robin.shannon at gmail.com (Robin Shannon)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 00:53:06 +1100
Subject: 2006 (Poignant) Guide
In-Reply-To: <440D3088.106@poignantguide.net>
References: <440D3088.106@poignantguide.net>
Message-ID: <623d73380603070553j2436bf3bv84151da96039586d@mail.gmail.com>

looks good in Konqueror. Cool design, though the "Why's" in the red
cloud is not really apparent unless you know that it should be there.

-rjs.

On 07/03/06, why the lucky stiff <why at poignantguide.net> wrote:
> Hey, everyone.  I'm testing out an updated design and could really use a
> skim in your browser of choice.  Specifically if IE or Safari is your
> browser of choice.
>
> Here are the testing URLs:
>
>   http://qa.poignantguide.net/
>   http://de-draft.poignantguide.net/
>   http://fr-draft.poignantguide.net/
>
>
> (A reverent bow without equal.)
>
> _why
> _______________________________________________
> poignant-stiffs mailing list
> poignant-stiffs at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/poignant-stiffs
>


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From mental at rydia.net  Tue Mar  7 12:07:43 2006
From: mental at rydia.net (mental at rydia.net)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 12:07:43 -0500
Subject: 2006 (Poignant) Guide
In-Reply-To: <1141720266.440d44ca3f3cf@imp7-g19.free.fr>
References: <440D3088.106@poignantguide.net>
	<1141720266.440d44ca3f3cf@imp7-g19.free.fr>
Message-ID: <1141751263.440dbddf7a2e0@www.rydia.net>

Quoting Frederick Ros <sl33p3r at free.fr>:

> Unfortunately the left sidebar does not appear on IE at work (
> version 6.0 it seems).

Same.  Though, more bizzarely, IE does appear to be loading the
images for it and so forth regardless, and I actually got it to
appear once by hitting back and forward repeatedly.

It's apparently _there_, it's just not getting included in the
document flow or rendered most of the time.

Looks like we're unearthing yet another of IE's "We don't care!  We
don't have to!  We're the phone company!" bugs...

> I *do* really like the new look :)

Seconded.  That earlier blue thing was just ... not it.

This is so *it*.

-mental

From alex.combas at gmail.com  Tue Mar  7 12:11:14 2006
From: alex.combas at gmail.com (Alex Combas)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 09:11:14 -0800
Subject: 2006 (Poignant) Guide
In-Reply-To: <623d73380603070553j2436bf3bv84151da96039586d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <440D3088.106@poignantguide.net>
	<623d73380603070553j2436bf3bv84151da96039586d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <76c1c2f40603070911u7fbb7fci1757709446f381ff@mail.gmail.com>

mozilla-firefox-1.5.0.1winXP
Looks good, although yes I have a few small format problems as well.
1. the why is not really readable on the cover page
2. the line "Want updates? Join poignant-watchers  for a periodicupdate on new chapters. Or poignant-stiffs for dicussion." looks asthough it has been crossedout because it overlaps with the bottom line of the box that is above it.
3. I still cant find chapter 7 ;)
best regards,
--Alex Combashttp://noodlejunkie.blogspot.com/

From mental at rydia.net  Tue Mar  7 12:12:20 2006
From: mental at rydia.net (mental at rydia.net)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 12:12:20 -0500
Subject: 2006 (Poignant) Guide
In-Reply-To: <440D3088.106@poignantguide.net>
References: <440D3088.106@poignantguide.net>
Message-ID: <1141751540.440dbef4aeaf4@www.rydia.net>

Quoting why the lucky stiff <why at poignantguide.net>:

> Hey, everyone.  I'm testing out an updated design and could
> really use a skim in your browser of choice.  Specifically if IE
> or Safari is your browser of choice.

This is awesome.  As mentioned, there are some problems in IE, but
okay.  It's got the feel.

One thing: better make the foxbox flexible height-wise (I guess
divide the foxbox background across the two divs to let it
stretch?).  There's no way the text is going to fit for every
font/DPI otherwise.

-mental

From zerocross at darkness.at  Tue Mar  7 13:01:37 2006
From: zerocross at darkness.at (Simon Rumer)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 19:01:37 +0100
Subject: 2006 (Poignant) Guide
In-Reply-To: <440D3088.106@poignantguide.net>
References: <440D3088.106@poignantguide.net>
Message-ID: <440DCA81.6030209@darkness.at>

hi,
i like the new layout (nice front page) but the sidebar should 
get a different background.

word simon!

-- 
Dale Cooper: Harry, I have no idea where this will lead us, 
but I have a definite feeling it will be a place both 
wonderful and strange. - Twin Peaks

From Bil.Kleb at NASA.GOV  Tue Mar  7 13:12:05 2006
From: Bil.Kleb at NASA.GOV (Bil Kleb)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 13:12:05 -0500
Subject: 2006 (Poignant) Guide
In-Reply-To: <440DCA81.6030209@darkness.at>
References: <440D3088.106@poignantguide.net> <440DCA81.6030209@darkness.at>
Message-ID: <440DCCF5.7070007@NASA.gov>

Simon Rumer wrote:
> i like the new layout (nice front page) but the sidebar should 
> get a different background.

Agree.

-- 
Bil
http://fun3d.larc.nasa.gov

From why at poignantguide.net  Tue Mar  7 14:14:26 2006
From: why at poignantguide.net (why the lucky stiff)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 12:14:26 -0700
Subject: 2006 (Poignant) Guide
In-Reply-To: <1141751540.440dbef4aeaf4@www.rydia.net>
References: <440D3088.106@poignantguide.net>
	<1141751540.440dbef4aeaf4@www.rydia.net>
Message-ID: <440DDB92.1010406@poignantguide.net>

Well, I got the fox box stretched and limber.  The sidepane should be 
seen in IE now.

alex & robin: i think the problem with the book's title is the dotted 
"Y", it's kind of vanishd and i have to reform it into something solid.

simon & bil: do you mean the sidebar on the front page needs a different 
background color to distinguish it from the rest of the page?  or is it 
something else over there?

I kinda liked the old design, too, but you know when you can't resist 
playing with other ideas?  Mostly, I like the new pages and sidebar so 
much better.  The old blue sidebars really looked ugly to me.

Okay, great, thanks for checking it out.

_why

From Bil.Kleb at nasa.gov  Tue Mar  7 14:24:54 2006
From: Bil.Kleb at nasa.gov (Bil Kleb)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 14:24:54 -0500
Subject: 2006 (Poignant) Guide
In-Reply-To: <440DDB92.1010406@poignantguide.net>
References: <440D3088.106@poignantguide.net>	<1141751540.440dbef4aeaf4@www.rydia.net>
	<440DDB92.1010406@poignantguide.net>
Message-ID: <440DDE06.6070102@NASA.gov>

why the lucky stiff wrote:
> 
> simon & bil: do you mean the sidebar on the front page needs a different 
> background color to distinguish it from the rest of the page?  or is it 
> something else over there?

Good question.  My trouble is with the right hand sidebar!s: their
background color is the same color as the page background color.

-- 
Bil (Skype: bil_kleb)
http://fun3d.larc.nasa.gov

From mental at rydia.net  Tue Mar  7 14:33:14 2006
From: mental at rydia.net (mental at rydia.net)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 14:33:14 -0500
Subject: 2006 (Poignant) Guide
In-Reply-To: <440DDB92.1010406@poignantguide.net>
References: <440D3088.106@poignantguide.net>
	<1141751540.440dbef4aeaf4@www.rydia.net>
	<440DDB92.1010406@poignantguide.net>
Message-ID: <1141759994.440ddffa67cbf@www.rydia.net>

Quoting why the lucky stiff <why at poignantguide.net>:

> alex & robin: i think the problem with the book's title is the
> dotted "Y", it's kind of vanishd and i have to reform it into
> something solid.

Hmm.  The other letters are also pretty indistinct.  I think faint,
small, line lettering within the outer dots would clear things up a
lot.

Couple remaining items:

In IE6, the top border of the contents box falls too high, covering
the bottom edge of the title graphic.  The badge is in precisely
the right location, however.

The placeholder images for Chapter 7 are broken/missing.

-mental

From why at poignantguide.net  Tue Mar  7 14:36:33 2006
From: why at poignantguide.net (why the lucky stiff)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 12:36:33 -0700
Subject: 2006 (Poignant) Guide
In-Reply-To: <440DDE06.6070102@NASA.gov>
References: <440D3088.106@poignantguide.net>	<1141751540.440dbef4aeaf4@www.rydia.net>	<440DDB92.1010406@poignantguide.net>
	<440DDE06.6070102@NASA.gov>
Message-ID: <440DE0C1.3060003@poignantguide.net>

Bil Kleb wrote:
> Good question.  My trouble is with the right hand sidebar!s: their
> background color is the same color as the page background color.
Oh, that's intentional.  Is that making them hard to read on certain 
screens?

_why

From alex.combas at gmail.com  Tue Mar  7 15:05:39 2006
From: alex.combas at gmail.com (Alex Combas)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 12:05:39 -0800
Subject: 2006 (Poignant) Guide
In-Reply-To: <440DDB92.1010406@poignantguide.net>
References: <440D3088.106@poignantguide.net>
	<1141751540.440dbef4aeaf4@www.rydia.net>
	<440DDB92.1010406@poignantguide.net>
Message-ID: <76c1c2f40603071205u50a2e2fbw50dab71a95d6a1c8@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/7/06, why the lucky stiff <why at poignantguide.net> wrote:> Well, I got the fox box stretched and limber.  The sidepane should be> seen in IE now.>> alex & robin: i think the problem with the book's title is the dotted> "Y", it's kind of vanishd and i have to reform it into something solid.>
the front page looks fixed now, except for the "Why's"part that is still a little vague
you have what looks like a watercolorish wash behind the letters,perhaps if you made that a little more distinct and then cleaned up the lettersitself a little you could have your style and eat it too
> Okay, great, thanks for checking it out.
yw
best,--Alex Combashttp://noodlejunkie.blogspot.com/

From Bil.Kleb at nasa.gov  Tue Mar  7 15:33:41 2006
From: Bil.Kleb at nasa.gov (Bil Kleb)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 15:33:41 -0500
Subject: 2006 (Poignant) Guide
In-Reply-To: <440DE0C1.3060003@poignantguide.net>
References: <440D3088.106@poignantguide.net>	<1141751540.440dbef4aeaf4@www.rydia.net>	<440DDB92.1010406@poignantguide.net>	<440DDE06.6070102@NASA.gov>
	<440DE0C1.3060003@poignantguide.net>
Message-ID: <440DEE25.6030504@NASA.gov>

why the lucky stiff wrote:
> Bil Kleb wrote:
> 
>>Good question.  My trouble is with the right hand sidebar!s: their
>>background color is the same color as the page background color.
> 
> Oh, that's intentional.  Is that making them hard to read on certain 
> screens?

It's just disconcerting, and made me scroll up an down a bit
to make sure that nothing was amiss.

-- 
Bil
http://fun3d.larc.nasa.gov

From bret at pettichord.com  Tue Mar  7 16:56:51 2006
From: bret at pettichord.com (Bret Pettichord)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 15:56:51 -0600
Subject: 2006 (Poignant) Guide
In-Reply-To: <440DEE25.6030504@NASA.gov>
References: <440D3088.106@poignantguide.net>
	<1141751540.440dbef4aeaf4@www.rydia.net>
	<440DDB92.1010406@poignantguide.net> <440DDE06.6070102@NASA.gov>
	<440DE0C1.3060003@poignantguide.net> <440DEE25.6030504@NASA.gov>
Message-ID: <ade75c5b0603071356j32c9518dn59756883a243bfc7@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/7/06, Bil Kleb <Bil.Kleb at nasa.gov> wrote:
>
> why the lucky stiff wrote:
> > Bil Kleb wrote:
> >
> >>Good question.  My trouble is with the right hand sidebar!s: their
> >>background color is the same color as the page background color.
> >
> > Oh, that's intentional.  Is that making them hard to read on certain
> > screens?
>
> It's just disconcerting, and made me scroll up an down a bit
> to make sure that nothing was amiss.


I also found this disconcerting and wondered whether it was intentional.

Bret
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From ryan at platte.name  Tue Mar  7 17:05:49 2006
From: ryan at platte.name (Ryan Platte)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 16:05:49 -0600
Subject: 2006 (Poignant) Guide
In-Reply-To: <ade75c5b0603071356j32c9518dn59756883a243bfc7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <440D3088.106@poignantguide.net>
	<1141751540.440dbef4aeaf4@www.rydia.net>
	<440DDB92.1010406@poignantguide.net> <440DDE06.6070102@NASA.gov>
	<440DE0C1.3060003@poignantguide.net> <440DEE25.6030504@NASA.gov>
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Message-ID: <2f1a1dcb0603071405w203db1b4w146faac2ad691351@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/7/06, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com> wrote:
> On 3/7/06, Bil Kleb <Bil.Kleb at nasa.gov> wrote:
>
> > why the lucky stiff wrote:
> > > Bil Kleb wrote:
> > >
> > >>Good question.  My trouble is with the right hand sidebar!s: their
> > >>background color is the same color as the page background color.
> > >
> > > Oh, that's intentional.  Is that making them hard to read on certain
> > > screens?
> >
> > It's just disconcerting, and made me scroll up an down a bit
> > to make sure that nothing was amiss.
>
> I also found this disconcerting and wondered whether it was intentional.
>
> Bret

Me too. Seemed analogous to a joke that needed to be pondered instead
of just being funny on the surface, like when I recently watched the
movie Airplane by myself and spent most of the time thinking, "I bet
this is loaded with references that would make me laugh hard if I got
them".

Kinda like that, but more subtle, as if it were just a layout issue or
something.

--
Ryan Platte


From stephen.swift at gmail.com  Tue Mar  7 17:15:34 2006
From: stephen.swift at gmail.com (Stephen Swift)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 17:15:34 -0500
Subject: 2006 (Poignant) Guide
In-Reply-To: <2f1a1dcb0603071405w203db1b4w146faac2ad691351@mail.gmail.com>
References: <440D3088.106@poignantguide.net>
	<1141751540.440dbef4aeaf4@www.rydia.net>
	<440DDB92.1010406@poignantguide.net> <440DDE06.6070102@NASA.gov>
	<440DE0C1.3060003@poignantguide.net> <440DEE25.6030504@NASA.gov>
	<ade75c5b0603071356j32c9518dn59756883a243bfc7@mail.gmail.com>
	<2f1a1dcb0603071405w203db1b4w146faac2ad691351@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5506ed1b0603071415l12bcbbcey3f986ff3b7e7b4a0@mail.gmail.com>

For what it's worth, I'm pretty fond of the cut-out sidebars. They look and
feel like sidebars to me, with the added bonus of the implication that
someone is taking large bites out of your box model.

- Stephen

On 3/7/06, Ryan Platte <ryan at platte.name> wrote:
>
> On 3/7/06, Bret Pettichord <bret at pettichord.com> wrote:
> > On 3/7/06, Bil Kleb <Bil.Kleb at nasa.gov> wrote:
> >
> > > why the lucky stiff wrote:
> > > > Bil Kleb wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>Good question.  My trouble is with the right hand sidebar!s: their
> > > >>background color is the same color as the page background color.
> > > >
> > > > Oh, that's intentional.  Is that making them hard to read on certain
> > > > screens?
> > >
> > > It's just disconcerting, and made me scroll up an down a bit
> > > to make sure that nothing was amiss.
> >
> > I also found this disconcerting and wondered whether it was intentional.
> >
> > Bret
>
> Me too. Seemed analogous to a joke that needed to be pondered instead
> of just being funny on the surface, like when I recently watched the
> movie Airplane by myself and spent most of the time thinking, "I bet
> this is loaded with references that would make me laugh hard if I got
> them".
>
> Kinda like that, but more subtle, as if it were just a layout issue or
> something.
>
> --
> Ryan Platte
>
> _______________________________________________
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> poignant-stiffs at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/poignant-stiffs
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From mental at rydia.net  Tue Mar  7 17:31:30 2006
From: mental at rydia.net (mental at rydia.net)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 17:31:30 -0500
Subject: 2006 (Poignant) Guide
In-Reply-To: <5506ed1b0603071415l12bcbbcey3f986ff3b7e7b4a0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <440D3088.106@poignantguide.net>
	<1141751540.440dbef4aeaf4@www.rydia.net>
	<440DDB92.1010406@poignantguide.net> <440DDE06.6070102@NASA.gov>
	<440DE0C1.3060003@poignantguide.net> <440DEE25.6030504@NASA.gov>
	<ade75c5b0603071356j32c9518dn59756883a243bfc7@mail.gmail.com>
	<2f1a1dcb0603071405w203db1b4w146faac2ad691351@mail.gmail.com>
	<5506ed1b0603071415l12bcbbcey3f986ff3b7e7b4a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1141770690.440e09c29edb1@www.rydia.net>

Quoting Stephen Swift <stephen.swift at gmail.com>:

> For what it's worth, I'm pretty fond of the cut-out sidebars.
> They look and feel like sidebars to me, with the added bonus of
> the implication that someone is taking large bites out of your
> box model.

Seconded.

Thinking about it, something that might reinforce the deliberate
cut-out appearance:  adding padding around the [  sidebar!  ] boxes
rather than making them flush with the sidebar edges.

Another IE thing by the way -- at least in Chapter 3, the sidebars
themselves don't successfully flush with the edge of the page --
there's a white band separating the sidebar from the right margin.

-mental

From robin.shannon at gmail.com  Tue Mar  7 18:52:05 2006
From: robin.shannon at gmail.com (Robin Shannon)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 10:52:05 +1100
Subject: 2006 (Poignant) Guide
In-Reply-To: <440D3088.106@poignantguide.net>
References: <440D3088.106@poignantguide.net>
Message-ID: <623d73380603071552t4a0b4a56id43526a909de7dd8@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not sure if its changed or i just missed it before, but in
konqueror 3.5 at the top of the sidebar there is a pixel high line of
sidebar then a pixel high line of the normal background and then the
rest of the side bar. This doesn't affect the "open this book" circle.

-rjs.

On 07/03/06, why the lucky stiff <why at poignantguide.net> wrote:
> Hey, everyone.  I'm testing out an updated design and could really use a
> skim in your browser of choice.  Specifically if IE or Safari is your
> browser of choice.
>
> Here are the testing URLs:
>
>   http://qa.poignantguide.net/
>   http://de-draft.poignantguide.net/
>   http://fr-draft.poignantguide.net/
>
>
> (A reverent bow without equal.)
>
> _why
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From syshou at gmail.com  Fri Mar 17 16:54:45 2006
From: syshou at gmail.com (Sean Shou)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:54:45 -0500
Subject: Newbie lost in "Chaining Delusions Together"
Message-ID: <44db2f120603171354p6aae6314p3af75ca92ac04808@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

I am new to ruby, and programming. I've read about the list, and it seems a
fellow named Shalev had pointed out an error with the 'require' used to
bring in wordlists.rb in Chapter 4, "Chaining Delusions".

He even suggest what sounded like some smart suggestions as to how to
overcome these issues. However, I can't make heads or tails of modules, and
am a feeling a bit stuck.

Can anyone suggest an alternative that would pull in the hash 'code_words'
from 'wordlists.rb' ?


Much obliged.

Sy
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From agattegno at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 19 03:36:27 2006
From: agattegno at yahoo.com (Alberto Bar-Noy)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 00:36:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Newbie lost in "Chaining Delusions Together"
In-Reply-To: <44db2f120603171354p6aae6314p3af75ca92ac04808@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060319083627.63977.qmail@web32101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello Sean,

I solved the same problem by adding the $ sigil before the code_words -> $code_words thus making it a global variable.

If anyone knows any better ways please share.

Cheers!

Sean Shou <syshou at gmail.com> wrote: Hello all,
  
  I am new to ruby, and programming. I've read about the list, and it seems a fellow named Shalev had pointed out an error with the 'require' used to bring in wordlists.rb in Chapter 4, "Chaining Delusions".
  
  He even suggest what sounded like some smart suggestions as to how to overcome these issues. However, I can't make heads or tails of modules, and am a feeling a bit stuck.
  
  Can anyone suggest an alternative that would pull in the hash 'code_words' from 'wordlists.rb' ?
  
  
  Much obliged.
  
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From syshou at gmail.com  Tue Mar 21 00:53:07 2006
From: syshou at gmail.com (Sean Shou)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 00:53:07 -0500
Subject: Newbie lost in "Chaining Delusions Together"
In-Reply-To: <20060319083627.63977.qmail@web32101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <44db2f120603171354p6aae6314p3af75ca92ac04808@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060319083627.63977.qmail@web32101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <44db2f120603202153u16696cdax58fe03c1562c208f@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Alberto,

Thanks for the hint. I tried this before and this worked well, but even as a
new programmer, I've gotten some idea that you don't really want global
variables just to use something from a 'required' file.

Hmm... is there a way to instantiate the code_words array first? i.e.
code_words.new('cwArray')

then we'd do
cwArray.each do | real, code |
etc. .

Can anyone confirm/debunk this? I don't have my laptop with ruby things
loaded on it here, so I'm stuck speculating until I go home later this week.


Regards,

Sy

On 3/19/06, Alberto Bar-Noy <agattegno at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Sean,
>
> I solved the same problem by adding the $ sigil before the code_words ->
> $code_words thus making it a global variable.
>
> If anyone knows any better ways please share.
>
> Cheers!
>
>
> *Sean Shou <syshou at gmail.com>* wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> I am new to ruby, and programming. I've read about the list, and it seems
> a fellow named Shalev had pointed out an error with the 'require' used to
> bring in wordlists.rb in Chapter 4, "Chaining Delusions".
>
> He even suggest what sounded like some smart suggestions as to how to
> overcome these issues. However, I can't make heads or tails of modules, and
> am a feeling a bit stuck.
>
> Can anyone suggest an alternative that would pull in the hash 'code_words'
> from 'wordlists.rb' ?
>
>
> Much obliged.
>
> Sy _______________________________________________
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From sl33p3r at free.fr  Tue Mar 21 16:12:50 2006
From: sl33p3r at free.fr (Frederick Ros)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 22:12:50 +0100
Subject: Newbie lost in "Chaining Delusions Together"
In-Reply-To: <44db2f120603202153u16696cdax58fe03c1562c208f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <44db2f120603171354p6aae6314p3af75ca92ac04808@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060319083627.63977.qmail@web32101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<44db2f120603202153u16696cdax58fe03c1562c208f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060321211250.GC10566@hal.void.org>

Sean Shou wrote :
| Hi Alberto,
| 
| Thanks for the hint. I tried this before and this worked well, but even as a
| new programmer, I've gotten some idea that you don't really want global
| variables just to use something from a 'required' file.
| 
| Hmm... is there a way to instantiate the code_words array first? i.e.
| code_words.new('cwArray')
| 
| then we'd do
| cwArray.each do | real, code |
| etc. .
| 
| Can anyone confirm/debunk this? I don't have my laptop with ruby things
| loaded on it here, so I'm stuck speculating until I go home later this
| week.

Hummm ... Not sure to understand what you want to do, but I think that
changing code_words to CODE_WORDS (i.e making it a constant) makes it
works ;)

-- 
Frederick Ros aka Sleeper -- sleeper at jabber.fr

Watch out for off-by-one errors.
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From wschenk at gmail.com  Mon Mar 27 16:57:36 2006
From: wschenk at gmail.com (Will Schenk)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 16:57:36 -0500
Subject: Stanislaw Lem, RIP
Message-ID: <b244e1b20603271357m15d70939rc23587a9fb749d77@mail.gmail.com>

KRAKOW (Poland): Polish author Stanislaw Lem, one of the world's leading
science fiction writers, died on Monday in his home city of Krakow at the
age of 84 after a battle with a heart disease.
Lem, whose books have sold more than 27 million copies and have been
translated into more than 40 languages, won widespread acclaim for The
Cyberiad, stories from a mechanical world ruled by robots, first published
in English in 1974.

[...]

http://dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=1020403



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From agattegno at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  2 03:30:22 2006
From: agattegno at yahoo.com (Alberto Bar-Noy)
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 08:30:22 -0000
Subject: Newby question  on Chapter 4 and observation
Message-ID: <20060302084307.755.qmail@web32115.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello all,

Well as I said in the subject newby to Ruby (it rimes!) but not to programming, so please humour me.

Q1.
In chapter 4 in the codewords example I moved the codewords hash to a file wordlist.rb as suggested. 

Then I copied the code that changes the code word and writes the file and tried to run it. I got an error that there is no code_words local variable declared (yes the requires command was there). So after a couiple of hours of further reading I attacked the problem and added $ to the code_words declaration and run it and VOILA!!!! it worked. So is this a typo/bug or am I missing something?

Observation
In the same chapter there is the print "Idea:" followed by gets.

When I run it nothing is printed. I type catapult and then the code executes including the print and the gets. "So what am I missing here? " I thought to myself...

I am using the RDT plugin for Eclipse (since I am writting all day in Java it is easier to cope), so I run the program in command line and behold!!!! it runs as it should. Did anyone have this problem? Any solution or should I make a custom run configuration?

Thank you for your help
Cheers!

		
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From heldhelm at gmx.de  Tue Mar  7 02:34:19 2006
From: heldhelm at gmx.de (Helmar)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 07:34:19 -0000
Subject: 2006 (Poignant) Guide
In-Reply-To: <440D3088.106@poignantguide.net>
References: <440D3088.106@poignantguide.net>
Message-ID: <440D3A7F.1040108@gmx.de>

Looks good in latest Safari. Although there are some missing images in 
chapters five and seven...

helmar++

why the lucky stiff schrieb am 07.03.2006 8:04 Uhr:
> Hey, everyone.  I'm testing out an updated design and could really use a 
> skim in your browser of choice.  Specifically if IE or Safari is your 
> browser of choice.
> 
> Here are the testing URLs:
> 
>   http://qa.poignantguide.net/
>   http://de-draft.poignantguide.net/
>   http://fr-draft.poignantguide.net/
> 
> 
> (A reverent bow without equal.)
> 
> _why
> _______________________________________________
> poignant-stiffs mailing list
> poignant-stiffs at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/poignant-stiffs
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> 

From tashiro at zianet.com  Wed Mar 29 23:29:40 2006
From: tashiro at zianet.com (Stephen Tashiro)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 21:29:40 -0700
Subject: When irb and ri are not with Ruby 
Message-ID: <442B5EB4.4030004@zianet.com>

One thing that might be mentioned in the book is that in the Redhat 
scheme of things, ruby, ri and irb are in different rpms.  So checking a 
box to install Ruby does NOT mean that you will have ri and irb.