Hey Ame :-)<br><br>I like the tutorial idea -- I took a shot at
something on a wiki page before. You can see that I have my own
faults, so my comments are purely for "better-ness", and good. Also
I'm putting on my "adult trainer and workplace assessor" hat (not a
programs need, XXX hat *grin*).
<br><br>Here are some thoughts, in no particular order. On Friday I
took some time out of my life to find a few little toys to use to
explain "classroom psychology" .... It is impossible to find "human"
toy men and toy women these days.
<br><br>I did find :: little '<a href="http://haireemagnoz.com/home.htm"><span style="font-weight: bold;">magno-z</span></a>' men -- made from coloured pipe cleaners with funny faces and weird hair. They are pretty cool, I plan to get some more.
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<ul><li><a href="http://haireemagnoz.com/home.htm">http://haireemagnoz.com/home.htm</a><br>
</li></ul>
Consider these people as "the audience"; for your material. I like it
because I can sit with Chinese people, or Americans, and say :: Here is
your class. Here is your market. Here is your (project/sports) team
. . .<br>
<ul><li>What do they KNOW already?<br>
(<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">Foundation</span>...)<br>
</li><li>What <span style="color: rgb(51, 204, 255);">pre-conceptions</span> do they hold (NOW)? <br>
... "Rails rules", "Google and NASA love Python", C++ is the fastest, etc</li><li>What <span style="font-weight: bold;">THREE</span>(3) things do I wish them to <span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
walk out of the room </span>with?</li><li>What <span style="font-weight: bold;">ONE</span>(1) thing do I wish them to <font size="4"><span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(153, 51, 153); font-style: italic;">do</span>
<span style="font-style: italic;">, </span></font>to ACT on, after class (tutorial, advertisement, etc.)<br>
</li></ul>
This understood, I tend to do that evaluation 2nd, or even 3rd (or -- I used to). It really matter-z. Those wee '<a href="http://haireemagnoz.com/home.htm"><span style="font-weight: bold;">magno-z</span></a>' figure men/women -- Don't know where they can get to after our tutorial. Make sense?
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There seem to be many assumptions in the tutorial. And I was not sure What "assumed knowledge" I might need. Ordinarily most of that context can be gathered. NITRO, to me, is for non-database people to get something up-and-running.
<br><br>I spent a very large chunk of my life looking for ways to deliver results, and skip the technical gear, and ins and outs. I may be taking a too-Right brained approach to this tutorial in that case.<br><br>On the other hand, I'd like to see a real-world version of any data structures used and where possible, a diagram or 30 diagrams. ;-) If you rec all where you began, "they"(tm) used to tell us to imagine explaining the dumbest steps to boil rice.
<br><br>Do I know how to "fetch water"? Does the wee '<a href="http://haireemagnoz.com/home.htm"><span style="font-weight: bold;">magno-z</span></a>' figure?<br><br>Also ... my personal bias here is that, is a To Do list sufficiently real enough? It needs to be described as a thing I'm familiar with. Most "to do"-s are on envelopes. Can you make it a task tracking project? I think I used an address book -- I saw your phone-number question, are we thinking the same thing?
<br><br>Finally, you need a unbiased person with the equivalent "assumed" knowledge to review the tutorial. Can you teach/use it to, with a friend or a non-family member?<br><br>Before you do this write out those 3 objectives, and at teh end find a suitable question to ask and assess how that goes. Do not give the desired outcome away in the assessment question *grin*
<br><br>I CC-ed my friend Gayle, she knows not much on computers, she knows about training adults. I think I "know too much" to give an unbiased review. I know OG is a step beyond everything except a 4GL or NeXT.
<br><br>If you can get them, George's videos are excellent examples for a first Nitro app. Non-trivial and simple as pie. I wrote step-by-step expose-s on the first and second ones. That got lost in the "non-wiki" on
<a href="http://nitro.org">nitro.org</a>.<br><br>Because a lot does happen in Nitro "<span style="font-style: italic;">by magick</span>", it is much more important to explain the dumb, trite, and "obviously" stuff such that the reader/student gets to take in ALL he/she gets with Nitro, or Og, for free.
<br><br>* Why n ot have a "Og" tutorial first -- and then you can point people to the Og tutorial first. And keep the Nitro tutorial mostly about Nitro and about the web sites.<br><br>Good luck, let us know where we may assist.
<br><br>... Will<br><br><br><br><br>
<br><br><span class="gmail_quote">On 09/12/2007, <b class="gmail_sendername">Arne Brasseur</b> <<a href="mailto:arne@arnebrasseur.net" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">arne@arnebrasseur.net
</a>> wrote:</span>
I'm not all the way through with bringing this up to date, but it's<br>better then before so here goes.
<br><br><br>(ab)<br><br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br><span class="gmail_quote">From: <b class="gmail_sendername">Arne Brasseur</b> <<a href="mailto:arne@arnebrasseur.net">arne@arnebrasseur.net</a>>
<br>Date: 9 Dec 2007 21:46<br>Subject: [Nitro] New Tutorial PDF<br>To: General discussion about Nitro <<a href="mailto:nitro-general@rubyforge.org">nitro-general@rubyforge.org</a>><br><br></span>I'm not all the way through with bringing this up to date, but it's
<br>better then before so here goes.<br><br>