[Nitro] The future of Nitro, Og and Raw

chris prpht9 at gmail.com
Thu Oct 23 20:00:41 EDT 2008

I looked at ramaze when first checking out nitro and my philosophy seemed to
fit better with nitro.  But, I'll take another look.

I'll get into my philosophy and why I think nitro still has a better shot at
becoming a world class framework later.  For now lets just keep our eyes on
getting a stable release out with a much better set of easy to find and
working examples and docs.


On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Dan North <tastapod at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Chris.
> I'm probably the last guy in the room - I promised to switch off the lights
> :)
> Have you seen ramaze <http://ramaze.net>? It seems inspired by the same
> values as nitro, and there is a lot of energy behind it at the moment. I
> would check with trans and george whether your time might be better spent
> helping out with ramaze (which already considers og a first class ORM along
> with sequel, datamapper and activerecord).
> Just a thought, and I'm glad I'm not the only one who wanted to see a life
> after rails :)
> Cheers,
> Dan
> 2008/10/23 chris <prpht9 at gmail.com>
>> Not sure who all is still listening but I have something to say.
>>   As Dan North said a while back.  Nitro is quite feature full and could
>> really use some time to settle in with some bug fixes and a really solid
>> release.  I may end up taking a stab at this.  Once I got some fixes into
>> the Nitro and Raw dependancies and require statements.  A simple "nitro
>> hello;cd hello;nitro" works out of the box.  I also converted the entire
>> projects to "newgem" projects ( no offense intended ).  The rake build tasks
>> in there are excellent and "rake local_deploy" works perfectly.  I have not
>> touched Og, it seems to be pretty solid already.  (side note: I think Og
>> could stand on it's own two feet as well but if you want me to hold onto it
>> for a while I will)
>> Fixed Nitro and Raw gemspec dependancies
>> Fixed missing "require 'raw/controller'" in raw.rb
>> Replaced lib/facets.rb with a gemspec dependancy
>> Converted Nitro to a newgem project to capitalize on the rake tasks and
>> rubyforge integration
>> Converted Raw to a newgem project to capitalize on the rake tasks and
>> rubyforge integration
>> TODO:
>> I think I found some bugs in the admin part, which in my opinion is key to
>> getting a new user's feet wet with nitro and og.  I'd like to fix those.
>> Massive build up of examples in the rdocs
>> Move good examples to the prototype site produced by "nitro project_name"
>> Include more details in the actual prototype site code and startup files
>> like app.rb and config/debug.rb
>> I do not plan to move away from using the current unit testing.  However I
>> will create new tests using rspec and rbehave.  They are not mutually
>> exclusive
>> Get "rake docs" working
>> Get "rake website_generate" working
>>   With your permission, Trans and George I'm talking to you, I'll put some
>> more effort into this and see what I can come up with.  None of my changes
>> will mess with the api, my entire goal is stability and usability.  After
>> presenting my initial work to you guys, we can decide where you want to go
>> from there.
>>   Before I forget, Robert Mela, if your out there.  I'd love to get a hold
>> of your cheatsheets for inclusion in the actual rdocs.  Looks like your site
>> has been reclaimed by the domain goblins.
>> Hope to hear from you,
>>  Chris Scheper
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