From tastapod at gmail.com Mon Apr 21 08:21:48 2008 From: tastapod at gmail.com (Dan North) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:21:48 +0100 Subject: [Nitro] nothing like a deadline... Message-ID: Hi folks. So as usual I was talking up nitro as a replacement for rails, this time at the SPA conference earlier this year, and someone suggested I present something at the London SPA meetup . So I agreed. And now I'm going to need a working nitro and og (and a nice walkthrough demo if someone has something like that handy). Of course I'll attribute anything I use to the appropriate people, but I could really do with your help! Either that or I'll have to politely decline the talk. I really want to get nitro out there in front of some people, and the BCS crowd are useful influencers to be showing things to. So, George, about that 0.50 release..? :) Thanks, Dan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/nitro-general/attachments/20080421/6fa3910a/attachment.html From transfire at gmail.com Mon Apr 21 10:19:46 2008 From: transfire at gmail.com (Trans) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 07:19:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Nitro] nothing like a deadline... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9a788479-e1ee-45c4-9847-f89e6e56da91@q27g2000prf.googlegroups.com> On Apr 21, 8:21 am, "Dan North" wrote: > Hi folks. > > So as usual I was talking up nitro as a replacement for rails, this time at > the SPA conference earlier this year, and someone suggested I present > something at the London SPA > meetup > . > > So I agreed. And now I'm going to need a working nitro and og (and a nice > walkthrough demo if someone has something like that handy). > > Of course I'll attribute anything I use to the appropriate people, but I > could really do with your help! Either that or I'll have to politely decline > the talk. > > I really want to get nitro out there in front of some people, and the BCS > crowd are useful influencers to be showing things to. > > So, George, about that 0.50 release..? :) Hi Dan, According to George's blog, he has moved onto other projects. So Nitro is in need of a new maintainer if it is to stay alive. I have been doing some work on Og, but even so, it will take more man- hours than I have to spare to get a new release out any time soon. And sadly, interest has dwindled so much I'm not even sure if it is worth it. T. From george.moschovitis at gmail.com Mon Apr 21 10:29:22 2008 From: george.moschovitis at gmail.com (George Moschovitis) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 17:29:22 +0300 Subject: [Nitro] nothing like a deadline... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > So, George, about that 0.50 release..? :) Hello Dan, I am sorry to dissapoint you but I do not plan a 0.50 in the near future. I am still working on Nitro as needed for my currenrt projects (ie, the repositories still receive updates) but I do not plan to support this project. I am workin an a new lightwieght framework (based on javascript/java) and evaluating Google AppEngine at the moment so maybe you will see new stuff from me in the future. -g. > > > Thanks, > Dan > > _______________________________________________ > Nitro-general mailing list > Nitro-general at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/nitro-general > -- http://gmosx.me.gr http://joy.gr http://cull.gr http://nitroproject.org http://phidz.com http://joyerz.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/nitro-general/attachments/20080421/c84ec84f/attachment.html From tastapod at gmail.com Mon Apr 21 16:49:23 2008 From: tastapod at gmail.com (Dan North) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 21:49:23 +0100 Subject: [Nitro] nothing like a deadline... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi George. That is a real shame but I understand if you have to move on - I felt you really had a contender to take on rails there. I'm very grateful for all the effort and energy you've put into it - it's been inspiring! Naturally I'll be watching what you get up to next. Out of interest, is there another lightweight ruby web framework you would recommend? I'm looking at ramaze, which has nitro-inspired view "elements" ( http://tinyurl.com/3d7dgn) and plays nice with Og and Sequel ( http://ramaze.net/features:orms). I haven't used it or ary of the others (merb, mack, etc.) but from a quick scan it seems the closest in "feel" to nitro. Thanks again, Dan On 21/04/2008, George Moschovitis wrote: > > So, George, about that 0.50 release..? :) > > > Hello Dan, > > I am sorry to dissapoint you but I do not plan a 0.50 in the near future. > I am still working on Nitro as needed for my currenrt projects (ie, the > repositories still receive updates) but I do not plan to support this > project. > > I am workin an a new lightwieght framework (based on javascript/java) and > evaluating Google AppEngine at the moment so maybe you will see new stuff > from me in the future. > > -g. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > Dan > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Nitro-general mailing list > > Nitro-general at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/nitro-general > > > > > > -- > http://gmosx.me.gr > http://joy.gr > http://cull.gr > http://nitroproject.org > http://phidz.com > http://joyerz.com > _______________________________________________ > Nitro-general mailing list > Nitro-general at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/nitro-general > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/nitro-general/attachments/20080421/89e7631c/attachment.html From julian at coretech.net.au Tue Apr 22 01:29:18 2008 From: julian at coretech.net.au (Julian Leviston) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:29:18 +1000 Subject: [Nitro] nothing like a deadline... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00712459-D379-40DC-899B-BA8E284A0C1E@coretech.net.au> Try Merb. It rocks. Julian. On 22/04/2008, at 6:49 AM, Dan North wrote: > Hi George. > > That is a real shame but I understand if you have to move on - I > felt you really had a contender to take on rails there. I'm very > grateful for all the effort and energy you've put into it - it's > been inspiring! Naturally I'll be watching what you get up to next. > > Out of interest, is there another lightweight ruby web framework you > would recommend? I'm looking at ramaze, which has nitro-inspired > view "elements" (http://tinyurl.com/3d7dgn) and plays nice with Og > and Sequel (http://ramaze.net/features:orms). I haven't used it or > ary of the others (merb, mack, etc.) but from a quick scan it seems > the closest in "feel" to nitro. > > Thanks again, > Dan > > > On 21/04/2008, George Moschovitis > wrote: > So, George, about that 0.50 release..? :) > > Hello Dan, > > I am sorry to dissapoint you but I do not plan a 0.50 in the near > future. I am still working on Nitro as needed for my currenrt > projects (ie, the repositories still receive updates) but I do not > plan to support this project. > > I am workin an a new lightwieght framework (based on javascript/ > java) and evaluating Google AppEngine at the moment so maybe you > will see new stuff from me in the future. > > -g. > > > > Thanks, > Dan > > _______________________________________________ > Nitro-general mailing list > Nitro-general at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/nitro-general > > > > -- > http://gmosx.me.gr > http://joy.gr > http://cull.gr > http://nitroproject.org > http://phidz.com > http://joyerz.com > _______________________________________________ > Nitro-general mailing list > Nitro-general at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/nitro-general > > _______________________________________________ > Nitro-general mailing list > Nitro-general at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/nitro-general -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/nitro-general/attachments/20080422/506105dd/attachment-0001.html From george.moschovitis at gmail.com Tue Apr 22 08:26:17 2008 From: george.moschovitis at gmail.com (George Moschovitis) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:26:17 +0300 Subject: [Nitro] nothing like a deadline... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: form what I undestand ramaze is quite similar to Nitro (and the developers behind it are cool ;-)), and I have heard Merb is nice ;-) -g. On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 11:49 PM, Dan North wrote: > Hi George. > > That is a real shame but I understand if you have to move on - I felt you > really had a contender to take on rails there. I'm very grateful for all the > effort and energy you've put into it - it's been inspiring! Naturally I'll > be watching what you get up to next. > > Out of interest, is there another lightweight ruby web framework you would > recommend? I'm looking at ramaze, which has nitro-inspired view "elements" ( > http://tinyurl.com/3d7dgn) and plays nice with Og and Sequel ( > http://ramaze.net/features:orms). I haven't used it or ary of the others > (merb, mack, etc.) but from a quick scan it seems the closest in "feel" to > nitro. > > Thanks again, > Dan > > > > On 21/04/2008, George Moschovitis wrote: > > > > So, George, about that 0.50 release..? :) > > > > > > Hello Dan, > > > > I am sorry to dissapoint you but I do not plan a 0.50 in the near > > future. I am still working on Nitro as needed for my currenrt projects (ie, > > the repositories still receive updates) but I do not plan to support this > > project. > > > > I am workin an a new lightwieght framework (based on javascript/java) > > and evaluating Google AppEngine at the moment so maybe you will see new > > stuff from me in the future. > > > > -g. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Dan > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Nitro-general mailing list > > > Nitro-general at rubyforge.org > > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/nitro-general > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > http://gmosx.me.gr > > http://joy.gr > > http://cull.gr > > http://nitroproject.org > > http://phidz.com > > http://joyerz.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Nitro-general mailing list > > Nitro-general at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/nitro-general > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Nitro-general mailing list > Nitro-general at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/nitro-general > -- http://gmosx.me.gr http://joy.gr http://cull.gr http://nitroproject.org http://phidz.com http://joyerz.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/nitro-general/attachments/20080422/777d3fa1/attachment.html From ezmobius at gmail.com Tue Apr 22 12:56:18 2008 From: ezmobius at gmail.com (Ezra Zygmuntowicz) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:56:18 -0700 Subject: [Nitro] nothing like a deadline... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5B015E2C-112E-4314-B20C-7C501BC4261B@gmail.com> Ramaze is like Nitro's little sister and Merb is like Rails little sister. IMHO you cannot go wrong with either Ramaze or Merb, it just depends on your personal preferences and tastes. Cheers- -Ezra On Apr 22, 2008, at 5:26 AM, George Moschovitis wrote: > form what I undestand ramaze is quite similar to Nitro (and the > developers behind it are cool ;-)), and I have heard Merb is nice ;-) > > -g. > > > On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 11:49 PM, Dan North > wrote: > Hi George. > > That is a real shame but I understand if you have to move on - I > felt you really had a contender to take on rails there. I'm very > grateful for all the effort and energy you've put into it - it's > been inspiring! Naturally I'll be watching what you get up to next. > > Out of interest, is there another lightweight ruby web framework you > would recommend? I'm looking at ramaze, which has nitro-inspired > view "elements" (http://tinyurl.com/3d7dgn) and plays nice with Og > and Sequel (http://ramaze.net/features:orms). I haven't used it or > ary of the others (merb, mack, etc.) but from a quick scan it seems > the closest in "feel" to nitro. > > Thanks again, > Dan > > > > On 21/04/2008, George Moschovitis > wrote: > So, George, about that 0.50 release..? :) > > Hello Dan, > > I am sorry to dissapoint you but I do not plan a 0.50 in the near > future. I am still working on Nitro as needed for my currenrt > projects (ie, the repositories still receive updates) but I do not > plan to support this project. > > I am workin an a new lightwieght framework (based on javascript/ > java) and evaluating Google AppEngine at the moment so maybe you > will see new stuff from me in the future. > > -g. > > > > Thanks, > Dan > > _______________________________________________ > Nitro-general mailing list > Nitro-general at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/nitro-general > > > > -- > http://gmosx.me.gr > http://joy.gr > http://cull.gr > http://nitroproject.org > http://phidz.com > http://joyerz.com > _______________________________________________ > Nitro-general mailing list > Nitro-general at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/nitro-general > > > _______________________________________________ > Nitro-general mailing list > Nitro-general at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/nitro-general > > > > -- > http://gmosx.me.gr > http://joy.gr > http://cull.gr > http://nitroproject.org > http://phidz.com > http://joyerz.com _______________________________________________ > Nitro-general mailing list > Nitro-general at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/nitro-general From lists at zarac.com Tue Apr 22 13:14:29 2008 From: lists at zarac.com (Ric Turley) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:14:29 -0600 Subject: [Nitro] nothing like a deadline... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <496427AE-CA14-432B-AEA0-FB6320032BE7@zarac.com> I've been lurking on this mailing list hoping I get good enough at Ruby or the Nitro documentation gets good enough that I can jump in - I am sad to see that it might go away. I saw a demo of Merb at the Mountain West RubyConf last month and was quite impressed. It's focused on lightweight and flexible and well worth a look. Ric Turley Zarac Software On Apr 22, 2008, at 6:26 AM, George Moschovitis wrote: > form what I undestand ramaze is quite similar to Nitro (and the > developers behind it are cool ;-)), and I have heard Merb is nice ;-) > > -g. > > > On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 11:49 PM, Dan North > wrote: > Hi George. > > That is a real shame but I understand if you have to move on - I > felt you really had a contender to take on rails there. I'm very > grateful for all the effort and energy you've put into it - it's > been inspiring! Naturally I'll be watching what you get up to next. > > Out of interest, is there another lightweight ruby web framework you > would recommend? I'm looking at ramaze, which has nitro-inspired > view "elements" (http://tinyurl.com/3d7dgn) and plays nice with Og > and Sequel (http://ramaze.net/features:orms). I haven't used it or > ary of the others (merb, mack, etc.) but from a quick scan it seems > the closest in "feel" to nitro. > > Thanks again, > Dan > > > > On 21/04/2008, George Moschovitis > wrote: > So, George, about that 0.50 release..? :) > > Hello Dan, > > I am sorry to dissapoint you but I do not plan a 0.50 in the near > future. I am still working on Nitro as needed for my currenrt > projects (ie, the repositories still receive updates) but I do not > plan to support this project. > > I am workin an a new lightwieght framework (based on javascript/ > java) and evaluating Google AppEngine at the moment so maybe you > will see new stuff from me in the future. > > -g. > > > > Thanks, > Dan > > _______________________________________________ > Nitro-general mailing list > Nitro-general at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/nitro-general > > > > -- > http://gmosx.me.gr > http://joy.gr > http://cull.gr > http://nitroproject.org > http://phidz.com > http://joyerz.com > _______________________________________________ > Nitro-general mailing list > Nitro-general at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/nitro-general > > > _______________________________________________ > Nitro-general mailing list > Nitro-general at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/nitro-general > > > > -- > http://gmosx.me.gr > http://joy.gr > http://cull.gr > http://nitroproject.org > http://phidz.com > http://joyerz.com _______________________________________________ > Nitro-general mailing list > Nitro-general at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/nitro-general From cjlists at visualfood.ch Tue Apr 22 14:07:36 2008 From: cjlists at visualfood.ch (Cornelius Jaeger) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:07:36 +0200 Subject: [Nitro] nothing like a deadline... In-Reply-To: <496427AE-CA14-432B-AEA0-FB6320032BE7@zarac.com> References: <496427AE-CA14-432B-AEA0-FB6320032BE7@zarac.com> Message-ID: <422A9C4E-EF75-4B16-AD06-1CD89F2B8013@visualfood.ch> hi all sorry to put a damper on the list, but how can i unsubscribe, the mailman links don't seem to work for me. cheers cornelius On 22.04.2008, at 19:14, Ric Turley wrote: > I've been lurking on this mailing list hoping I get good enough at > Ruby or the Nitro documentation gets good enough that I can jump in - > I am sad to see that it might go away. > > I saw a demo of Merb at the Mountain West > RubyConf last month and was quite impressed. It's focused on > lightweight and flexible and well worth a look. > > Ric Turley > Zarac Software > > > On Apr 22, 2008, at 6:26 AM, George Moschovitis wrote: > >> form what I undestand ramaze is quite similar to Nitro (and the >> developers behind it are cool ;-)), and I have heard Merb is nice ;-) >> >> -g. >> >> >> On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 11:49 PM, Dan North >> wrote: >> Hi George. >> >> That is a real shame but I understand if you have to move on - I >> felt you really had a contender to take on rails there. I'm very >> grateful for all the effort and energy you've put into it - it's >> been inspiring! Naturally I'll be watching what you get up to next. >> >> Out of interest, is there another lightweight ruby web framework you >> would recommend? I'm looking at ramaze, which has nitro-inspired >> view "elements" (http://tinyurl.com/3d7dgn) and plays nice with Og >> and Sequel (http://ramaze.net/features:orms). I haven't used it or >> ary of the others (merb, mack, etc.) but from a quick scan it seems >> the closest in "feel" to nitro. >> >> Thanks again, >> Dan >> >> >> >> On 21/04/2008, George Moschovitis >> wrote: >> So, George, about that 0.50 release..? :) >> >> Hello Dan, >> >> I am sorry to dissapoint you but I do not plan a 0.50 in the near >> future. I am still working on Nitro as needed for my currenrt >> projects (ie, the repositories still receive updates) but I do not >> plan to support this project. >> >> I am workin an a new lightwieght framework (based on javascript/ >> java) and evaluating Google AppEngine at the moment so maybe you >> will see new stuff from me in the future. >> >> -g. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> Dan >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Nitro-general mailing list >> Nitro-general at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/nitro-general >> >> >> >> -- >> http://gmosx.me.gr >> http://joy.gr >> http://cull.gr >> http://nitroproject.org >> http://phidz.com >> http://joyerz.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Nitro-general mailing list >> Nitro-general at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/nitro-general >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Nitro-general mailing list >> Nitro-general at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/nitro-general >> >> >> >> -- >> http://gmosx.me.gr >> http://joy.gr >> http://cull.gr >> http://nitroproject.org >> http://phidz.com >> http://joyerz.com _______________________________________________ >> Nitro-general mailing list >> Nitro-general at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/nitro-general > > _______________________________________________ > Nitro-general mailing list > Nitro-general at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/nitro-general From james.britt at gmail.com Wed Apr 23 12:06:09 2008 From: james.britt at gmail.com (James Britt) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 09:06:09 -0700 Subject: [Nitro] nothing like a deadline... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <480F5E71.8090608@gmail.com> Dan North wrote: > Hi George. > > That is a real shame but I understand if you have to move on - I felt you > really had a contender to take on rails there. I'm very grateful for all the > effort and energy you've put into it - it's been inspiring! Naturally I'll > be watching what you get up to next. > > Out of interest, is there another lightweight ruby web framework you would > recommend? I'm looking at ramaze, which has nitro-inspired view "elements" ( > http://tinyurl.com/3d7dgn) and plays nice with Og and Sequel ( > http://ramaze.net/features:orms). I haven't used it or ary of the others > (merb, mack, etc.) but from a quick scan it seems the closest in "feel" to > nitro. I'm a big fan of both Nitro and Ramaze; Ramaze does seem very much like Nitro, with perhaps a greater range of pluggable options. The #ramaze irc channel is very active, and a great place to get help. Merb, too, is well worth looking at. It may come down to subtleties of opinion as to which best suits your development style. Both have active development and strong communities Ramaze, however, has cooler T-shirts: http://www.cafepress.com/rubystuff/4904578 :) -- James Britt "Discover the recipes you are using and abandon them." - Brian Eno and Peter Schmidt, Oblique Strategies From transfire at gmail.com Wed Apr 23 17:04:06 2008 From: transfire at gmail.com (Trans) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:04:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Nitro] nothing like a deadline... In-Reply-To: <480F5E71.8090608@gmail.com> References: <480F5E71.8090608@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4aa8e4ff-dd66-41cb-92b4-b69e653a25ea@t63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> It seems everyone is pretty well satisfied to turn to alternatives. I guess shouldn't bother to continue work on Nitro or Og, then? T. From wyhaines at gmail.com Wed Apr 23 17:20:27 2008 From: wyhaines at gmail.com (Kirk Haines) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:20:27 -0600 Subject: [Nitro] nothing like a deadline... In-Reply-To: <4aa8e4ff-dd66-41cb-92b4-b69e653a25ea@t63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> References: <480F5E71.8090608@gmail.com> <4aa8e4ff-dd66-41cb-92b4-b69e653a25ea@t63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Trans wrote: > It seems everyone is pretty well satisfied to turn to alternatives. I > guess shouldn't bother to continue work on Nitro or Og, then? It's hard to fight that inertia, and Nitro has been in a murky state for _well_ more than a year, now. Want to work on IOWA? ;) Kirk Haines From billk at cts.com Wed Apr 23 17:31:32 2008 From: billk at cts.com (Bill Kelly) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:31:32 -0700 Subject: [Nitro] nothing like a deadline... References: <480F5E71.8090608@gmail.com> <4aa8e4ff-dd66-41cb-92b4-b69e653a25ea@t63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <01e501c8a589$66d38560$6442a8c0@gonzo> From: "Trans" > > It seems everyone is pretty well satisfied to turn to alternatives. I > guess shouldn't bother to continue work on Nitro or Og, then? Hmm... Are folks abandoning Og, too? I notice the Ramaze page about ORM's shows an example using Og, but that they "suggest Sequel." http://ramaze.net/features:orms Regards, Bill From mvyver at gmail.com Wed Apr 23 17:45:20 2008 From: mvyver at gmail.com (Mark V) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 07:45:20 +1000 Subject: [Nitro] nothing like a deadline... In-Reply-To: <01e501c8a589$66d38560$6442a8c0@gonzo> References: <480F5E71.8090608@gmail.com> <4aa8e4ff-dd66-41cb-92b4-b69e653a25ea@t63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <01e501c8a589$66d38560$6442a8c0@gonzo> Message-ID: <389c43e40804231445j1d0d409eybdbff2103560ff2@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 7:31 AM, Bill Kelly wrote: > > From: "Trans" > > > > > It seems everyone is pretty well satisfied to turn to alternatives. I > > guess shouldn't bother to continue work on Nitro or Og, then? > I have moved on to Sequel, and some devs on DataMapper had indicated they have an Og 'style' in mind for somethings. However I haven't delved into the DM source. Cheers Mark > Hmm... > > Are folks abandoning Og, too? I notice the Ramaze page about > ORM's shows an example using Og, but that they "suggest Sequel." > > http://ramaze.net/features:orms > > > > > Regards, > > Bill > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Nitro-general mailing list > Nitro-general at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/nitro-general > From m.fellinger at gmail.com Wed Apr 23 19:51:23 2008 From: m.fellinger at gmail.com (Michael Fellinger) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 08:51:23 +0900 Subject: [Nitro] nothing like a deadline... In-Reply-To: <01e501c8a589$66d38560$6442a8c0@gonzo> References: <480F5E71.8090608@gmail.com> <4aa8e4ff-dd66-41cb-92b4-b69e653a25ea@t63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <01e501c8a589$66d38560$6442a8c0@gonzo> Message-ID: <9c00d3e00804231651ra902fd2lc97dcf25452ea982@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 6:31 AM, Bill Kelly wrote: > > From: "Trans" > > > > > It seems everyone is pretty well satisfied to turn to alternatives. I > > guess shouldn't bother to continue work on Nitro or Og, then? > > Hmm... > > Are folks abandoning Og, too? I notice the Ramaze page about > ORM's shows an example using Og, but that they "suggest Sequel." > > > http://ramaze.net/features:orms > Yeah, we have to suggest an alternative since Og, combined with the old facets has quite a few problems and bugs. I would love to use Og (especially for its awesome evolution capabilities), but there just hasn't been a stable release since a long time, so i settled for sequel. ^ manveru > > Regards, > > Bill From postmodern.mod3 at gmail.com Wed Apr 23 21:35:24 2008 From: postmodern.mod3 at gmail.com (postmodern modulus III) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:35:24 -0700 Subject: [Nitro] nothing like a deadline... In-Reply-To: <389c43e40804231445j1d0d409eybdbff2103560ff2@mail.gmail.com> References: <480F5E71.8090608@gmail.com> <4aa8e4ff-dd66-41cb-92b4-b69e653a25ea@t63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <01e501c8a589$66d38560$6442a8c0@gonzo> <389c43e40804231445j1d0d409eybdbff2103560ff2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <480FE3DC.2030004@gmail.com> Mark V wrote: > On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 7:31 AM, Bill Kelly wrote: > >> From: "Trans" >> >> >> > It seems everyone is pretty well satisfied to turn to alternatives. I >> > guess shouldn't bother to continue work on Nitro or Og, then? >> >> > > I have moved on to Sequel, and some devs on DataMapper had indicated > they have an Og 'style' in mind for somethings. > However I haven't delved into the DM source. > > Cheers > Mark > > >> Hmm... >> >> Are folks abandoning Og, too? I notice the Ramaze page about >> ORM's shows an example using Og, but that they "suggest Sequel." >> >> http://ramaze.net/features:orms >> >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Nitro-general mailing list >> Nitro-general at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/nitro-general >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Nitro-general mailing list > Nitro-general at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/nitro-general > > I recently moved one of my projects from Og to DataMapper. While DataMapper is definitely Og-like, it doesn't quite feel as dynamic as Og. I also miss the schema-evolution of Og. From transfire at gmail.com Thu Apr 24 10:56:22 2008 From: transfire at gmail.com (Trans) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 07:56:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Nitro] nothing like a deadline... In-Reply-To: <9c00d3e00804231651ra902fd2lc97dcf25452ea982@mail.gmail.com> References: <480F5E71.8090608@gmail.com> <4aa8e4ff-dd66-41cb-92b4-b69e653a25ea@t63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <01e501c8a589$66d38560$6442a8c0@gonzo> <9c00d3e00804231651ra902fd2lc97dcf25452ea982@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Apr 23, 7:51 pm, "Michael Fellinger" wrote: > On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 6:31 AM, Bill Kelly wrote: > > > From: "Trans" > > > > It seems everyone is pretty well satisfied to turn to alternatives. I > > > guess shouldn't bother to continue work on Nitro or Og, then? > > > Hmm... > > > Are folks abandoning Og, too? I notice the Ramaze page about > > ORM's shows an example using Og, but that they "suggest Sequel." > > > http://ramaze.net/features:orms > > Yeah, we have to suggest an alternative since Og, combined with the > old facets has quite a few problems and bugs. > I would love to use Og (especially for its awesome evolution > capabilities), but there just hasn't been a stable release since a > long time, so i settled for sequel. > > ^ manveru I wouldn't take much to get Og up to date. I have been working on it bit by bit. But I just can't do it alone. I need someone more familiar with Og to help. Unfortunately no one has really stepped forward. It's really a shame, IMHO. It's a good system, it just needs some TLC. T. From george.moschovitis at gmail.com Thu Apr 24 12:28:34 2008 From: george.moschovitis at gmail.com (George Moschovitis) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 19:28:34 +0300 Subject: [Nitro] nothing like a deadline... In-Reply-To: References: <480F5E71.8090608@gmail.com> <4aa8e4ff-dd66-41cb-92b4-b69e653a25ea@t63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <01e501c8a589$66d38560$6442a8c0@gonzo> <9c00d3e00804231651ra902fd2lc97dcf25452ea982@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Well, I DO depend on Og for my current projects so I AM interested in helping. I just don't like introducing too many incompatibilities. Still, I can help you. What exactly do you need? -g. On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 5:56 PM, Trans wrote: > > > On Apr 23, 7:51 pm, "Michael Fellinger" wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 6:31 AM, Bill Kelly wrote: > > > > > From: "Trans" > > > > > > It seems everyone is pretty well satisfied to turn to alternatives. > I > > > > guess shouldn't bother to continue work on Nitro or Og, then? > > > > > Hmm... > > > > > Are folks abandoning Og, too? I notice the Ramaze page about > > > ORM's shows an example using Og, but that they "suggest Sequel." > > > > > http://ramaze.net/features:orms > > > > Yeah, we have to suggest an alternative since Og, combined with the > > old facets has quite a few problems and bugs. > > I would love to use Og (especially for its awesome evolution > > capabilities), but there just hasn't been a stable release since a > > long time, so i settled for sequel. > > > > ^ manveru > > I wouldn't take much to get Og up to date. I have been working on it > bit by bit. But I just can't do it alone. I need someone more familiar > with Og to help. Unfortunately no one has really stepped forward. It's > really a shame, IMHO. It's a good system, it just needs some TLC. > > T. > _______________________________________________ > Nitro-general mailing list > Nitro-general at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/nitro-general > -- http://gmosx.me.gr http://joy.gr http://cull.gr http://nitroproject.org http://phidz.com http://joyerz.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/nitro-general/attachments/20080424/e982c335/attachment.html From lasso at lassoweb.se Thu Apr 24 14:23:06 2008 From: lasso at lassoweb.se (Lars Olsson) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 20:23:06 +0200 Subject: [Nitro] nothing like a deadline... In-Reply-To: <01e501c8a589$66d38560$6442a8c0@gonzo> References: <480F5E71.8090608@gmail.com> <4aa8e4ff-dd66-41cb-92b4-b69e653a25ea@t63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <01e501c8a589$66d38560$6442a8c0@gonzo> Message-ID: <4810D00A.4090306@lassoweb.se> Hi list, I still depend heavily on Og even though I too has switched over to Ramaze. I've was kind of hoping that Ogden would become my Og "replacement", but that project seems even more inactive than Nitro itself (I'm not tracking the rcs, so I actually don't know whether this is true or not). How far of is Ogden from releasing a gem? Anyway, I think it would be a shame if Og/Ogden disappeared. I've tried Sequel and some other ORM:s, but they all seem very "unnatural" to use compared to Og. I would be very happy if someone picked up the project and made a new release. Just my 0.02SEK /lasso Bill Kelly skrev: > From: "Trans" >> It seems everyone is pretty well satisfied to turn to alternatives. I >> guess shouldn't bother to continue work on Nitro or Og, then? > > Hmm... > > Are folks abandoning Og, too? I notice the Ramaze page about > ORM's shows an example using Og, but that they "suggest Sequel." > > http://ramaze.net/features:orms > > > > > Regards, > > Bill > > > _______________________________________________ > Nitro-general mailing list > Nitro-general at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/nitro-general From jason at southwell.net Thu Apr 24 14:45:32 2008 From: jason at southwell.net (Jason Southwell) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 14:45:32 -0400 Subject: [Nitro] nothing like a deadline... In-Reply-To: <4810D00A.4090306@lassoweb.se> References: <480F5E71.8090608@gmail.com> <4aa8e4ff-dd66-41cb-92b4-b69e653a25ea@t63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <01e501c8a589$66d38560$6442a8c0@gonzo> <4810D00A.4090306@lassoweb.se> Message-ID: <4810D54C.3060403@southwell.net> > Anyway, I think it would be a shame if Og/Ogden disappeared. I've tried I too see myself making use of Og over other options if it remains available. I haven't yet found another option as functional yet simple that works on all platforms I need. From transfire at gmail.com Thu Apr 24 21:31:39 2008 From: transfire at gmail.com (Trans) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 18:31:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Nitro] nothing like a deadline... In-Reply-To: References: <480F5E71.8090608@gmail.com> <4aa8e4ff-dd66-41cb-92b4-b69e653a25ea@t63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <01e501c8a589$66d38560$6442a8c0@gonzo> <9c00d3e00804231651ra902fd2lc97dcf25452ea982@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5d47d871-9411-4ea5-b056-b6b043a923af@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com> On Apr 24, 12:28 pm, "George Moschovitis" wrote: > Well, I DO depend on Og for my current projects so I AM interested in > helping. I just don't like introducing too many incompatibilities. > Still, I can help you. What exactly do you need? Ok. I need to fix the uses of Paramix (that was rewritten in the latest version of Facets) plus any other minor adjustments to bring it up to speed with Facets 2.4.x. But then I need some help in tracking down the cause of the remaining test failures -- I'm having a hard time isolating them. The only incompatibility I'm interested in at this point is making enchantment explicit. But at this point, that can wait for a version or two. I'm using the Ogden repo, of course, to isolate from your old working code. It's currently SVN, but I was thinking of getting it converted to Git (which is much more like Darcs). Would you appreciate that? T. From william.full.moon at gmail.com Thu Apr 24 23:47:44 2008 From: william.full.moon at gmail.com (* William) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:47:44 +1000 Subject: [Nitro] nothing like a deadline... In-Reply-To: References: <480F5E71.8090608@gmail.com> <4aa8e4ff-dd66-41cb-92b4-b69e653a25ea@t63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <01e501c8a589$66d38560$6442a8c0@gonzo> <9c00d3e00804231651ra902fd2lc97dcf25452ea982@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9e03c3c60804242047y4c7a825fv59cf02bcce0d1f55@mail.gmail.com> Hi all small, yet significant comment. People will only step forward when there's an access to the code -- Like SVN via rubyForge. Personally I'd love to be more involved with Og, it is my main interest. I have been keeping out or things because it sounded like there was 'something' happening. A thing to consider though, and this comes from the comment earlier about "tide up with facets" ... Og has the potential to be a very tight, neat package. Feature creep, and poor boundaries can make a great idea into a not so great implementation -- Look at Windows/Vista? Hee hee /W 2008/4/25 Trans : > > I wouldn't take much to get Og up to date. I have been working on it > bit by bit. But I just can't do it alone. I need someone more familiar > with Og to help. Unfortunately no one has really stepped forward. It's > really a shame, IMHO. It's a good system, it just needs some TLC. > > aloha, \_w_/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/nitro-general/attachments/20080425/e8030221/attachment.html From george.moschovitis at gmail.com Fri Apr 25 02:47:17 2008 From: george.moschovitis at gmail.com (George Moschovitis) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 09:47:17 +0300 Subject: [Nitro] nothing like a deadline... In-Reply-To: <5d47d871-9411-4ea5-b056-b6b043a923af@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com> References: <480F5E71.8090608@gmail.com> <4aa8e4ff-dd66-41cb-92b4-b69e653a25ea@t63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <01e501c8a589$66d38560$6442a8c0@gonzo> <9c00d3e00804231651ra902fd2lc97dcf25452ea982@mail.gmail.com> <5d47d871-9411-4ea5-b056-b6b043a923af@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: > The only incompatibility I'm interested in at this point is making > enchantment explicit. But at this point, that can wait for a version > or two. I no longer have problems with this. you can go ahead and do it. btw, I will push some more changes to my repo when I return to Greece (I am in Cyprus at the moment) -g. On 4/25/08, Trans wrote: > > > On Apr 24, 12:28 pm, "George Moschovitis" > wrote: > > Well, I DO depend on Og for my current projects so I AM interested in > > helping. I just don't like introducing too many incompatibilities. > > Still, I can help you. What exactly do you need? > > Ok. I need to fix the uses of Paramix (that was rewritten in the > latest version of Facets) plus any other minor adjustments to bring it > up to speed with Facets 2.4.x. But then I need some help in tracking > down the cause of the remaining test failures -- I'm having a hard > time isolating them. > > The only incompatibility I'm interested in at this point is making > enchantment explicit. But at this point, that can wait for a version > or two. > > I'm using the Ogden repo, of course, to isolate from your old working > code. It's currently SVN, but I was thinking of getting it converted > to Git (which is much more like Darcs). Would you appreciate that? > > T. > _______________________________________________ > Nitro-general mailing list > Nitro-general at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/nitro-general > -- http://gmosx.me.gr http://joy.gr http://cull.gr http://nitroproject.org http://phidz.com http://joyerz.com