[Nitro] RFC: Basic Points for a Better Nitro/Og

Dan North dan at tastapod.com
Fri Sep 21 05:33:25 EDT 2007

If you are thinking about moving away from darcs, can I re-raise my 
suggestion of moving to mercurial? It's written in python so it's 
available on pretty much any platform, and it allows the kind of 
distributed, patch-based development model we're used to with darcs.

A number of projects are moving that way, notably opensolaris and 
hamcrest (the matchers component of jmock and junit). It also comes with 
a very lightweight cgi script that allows you to browse, view 
history/diffs and sync from an online repository over http.

Just my $0.02.

Trans wrote:
> Just wanted to make a few suggestions that I think... no... that I
> really know would go along way to improve Nitro/Og development, and in
> turn improve stability, availability and adoption.
> The main thing is that Og needs to have it's own repository. By
> separating Og out from the Nitro framework, it can grow on it's own
> merits. This in turn will come back to benefit Nitro, as a matter of
> an independent development track, and as people adopt Og as their ORM
> of choice, they will also in turn be attracted to Nitro later for
> their website needs.
> Another thing to consider is using Subversion rather than Darcs. I
> know Darcs is great. I miss it too in some respects. But it may be
> easier to share in development if there were in fact a central
> Rubyforge-hosted repository. This isn't as big a deal as the first
> point, but it's worth some serious consideration.
> Lastly, the website, http://nitroproject.org, HAS TO BE FINISHED!!! I
> can't stress that enough. An unfinished website is a big turn-off. It
> immediately reflects on the quality of the software itself. It's
> better to have a small but finished site, than a large unfinished one.
> And there simply isn't any reason to ever have broken links --just
> don't have the links. If it's something for the future, but not yet
> ready, then use <!-- --> remarks to hide it until it is ready. I also
> note that an image link to OxyWTF was never added. I realize it may
> not be an "official" Nitro site, but inclusiveness of community
> efforts is far more important than minor personal preferences or
> gains. Thats how you build a community, and how it grows, and how in
> the end it benefits us all more than if each of us acts alone.
> Finally, let me say that I do have plans for creating some dynamic
> websites down the road, and I want to use Nitro, of course, but I've
> really been waiting for the framework to mature. I wish I could help
> more in that regard, but working on Facets is about all the time I
> have to contribute these days. Yet Nitro needs to mature. In fact, it
> has to mature if intends to be a truly viable option.
> T.
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