[Nitro] Plone

Robert Mela rob at robmela.com
Thu Nov 1 11:37:53 EDT 2007

I've done some light investigation of Plone and am wondering why I don't 
just use that.

The path to that answer leads goes through the ecodiversity of the open 
source landscape, the question of sunrise and sunset technologies, and 
the agony of trying to balance picking the best with picking a 
popularity/mindshare winner.

It passes through the language war swamps, where the best and the good 
exhaust each others energies, while the mediocre evades engagement and 
is first to reach stable ground on the other side.

What I keep hoping for is from the wild fragmented experimentation of 
the Open Source stacks that one thing will succesfully put these three 
things in place

1) Solidly great design
2) Process, stability, documentation
3) Mind share & momentum
4) The supporting ecosystem of polished applications & components

I think these things evolve in that order, though the most successful 
frameworks seem to compromise on step #1.

Only Zope/Plone seem to cover all four.   Nitro and PHP occupy 
non-overlapping sets -- Nitro's got #1, PHP has #2 thru #4.

* William wrote:
> You can't really call it 0.95 because there hasn't been a stable 
> long-term release in the wild for more than six months.
> So you will want to keep some numbers for the inevitable bug fixes 
> until it is stable.
> You know lots of people can write software.  It takes a step up to 
> make it industry ready, robust and trusted.  The main skills I've seen 
> notices are
>    *  good processes,
>    *  especially release control and integration testing
>    *  stop adding new features.
>    *  good solid regression testing
> That's the engineering.  The production also requires
>   *  Training and tutorials
>   *  User documentation (not internals and definitely not rubyDocs)
>   *  Solid internals documentation (which Oxy seems to have in hand)
>   *  Robust reliable web site in the robust reliable stable version
> PHP4 didn't do its website in PHP4 (they used PHP2 or maybe 3)
> To be honest the competition here is not rails, its PLONE.
> Which has conspired to achieve all those things and is no up to 
> release 3 -- I runs fine and there's a large growing wild population 
> in the rivers of the internet.
> These days I don marketing because lots of people can write code as 
> well as I can and better.  I'm just waped enough to have gone back to 
> university to discover why GREAT products and magic technologies don't 
> make it out in to the streams and rivers of the information aqua-sphere.
> Yet you'll see the wackiest stuff get funding for development and a 
> promotions budget.
> I'll keep speaking for good engineering processes -- It looks like 
> things are getting better.  I heartily recommend the SVN offer!!
> Aloha,
>             Will.
> On 01/11/2007, *Robert Mela* <rob at robmela.com 
> <mailto:rob at robmela.com>> wrote:
>     YEEHA!!!
>     I would love to use Nitro professionally and would like to see enough
>     momentum and community built up behind it to support that sort of
>     recommendation.
>     To that end....
>     What's everyone thinking regarding the "PR" should occur
>     surrounding the
>     release of 0.50?  And why not call it 0.95?
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