From gwen.morse at gmail.com  Mon Aug 24 02:11:02 2009
From: gwen.morse at gmail.com (Gwen Morse)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 02:11:02 -0400
Subject: [Muby-talk] Anything going on with this client?
Message-ID: <df40367e0908232311p7514ac92h7f8f6a68cc47602e@mail.gmail.com>

I'm a long-time MUSHer (I've MUSHed for well over 16 years).
Additionally, I've learned a little bit of ruby programming. I would
love to be able to use Muby as a client.

MUDs and MUSHes have recently regained popularity, so it's quite
possible that it would be reasonable to reopen this project.

Gwen

From zondolfin at gmail.com  Mon Aug 24 02:17:57 2009
From: zondolfin at gmail.com (Martin Bruse)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 08:17:57 +0200
Subject: [Muby-talk] Anything going on with this client?
In-Reply-To: <df40367e0908232311p7514ac92h7f8f6a68cc47602e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <df40367e0908232311p7514ac92h7f8f6a68cc47602e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <27acba740908232317i6cdaeb4dka5f52cc2e8097d83@mail.gmail.com>

Well, nothing much has happened, but muby worked fine last time I
tried (which was, admittedly, about a year ago).

Try it out and say what you think. I would be happy to give you a hand
if need be!

regards,
//Martin

On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 8:11 AM, Gwen Morse<gwen.morse at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm a long-time MUSHer (I've MUSHed for well over 16 years).
> Additionally, I've learned a little bit of ruby programming. I would
> love to be able to use Muby as a client.
>
> MUDs and MUSHes have recently regained popularity, so it's quite
> possible that it would be reasonable to reopen this project.
>
> Gwen
> _______________________________________________
> muby-talk mailing list
> muby-talk at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/muby-talk
> http://rubyforge.org/projects/muby/
>

From gwen.morse at gmail.com  Mon Aug 24 04:11:55 2009
From: gwen.morse at gmail.com (Gwen Morse)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 04:11:55 -0400
Subject: [Muby-talk] Anything going on with this client?
In-Reply-To: <27acba740908232317i6cdaeb4dka5f52cc2e8097d83@mail.gmail.com>
References: <df40367e0908232311p7514ac92h7f8f6a68cc47602e@mail.gmail.com> 
	<27acba740908232317i6cdaeb4dka5f52cc2e8097d83@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <df40367e0908240111uede63e9we59316ebec994061@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 2:17 AM, Martin Bruse<zondolfin at gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, nothing much has happened, but muby worked fine last time I
> tried (which was, admittedly, about a year ago).
>
> Try it out and say what you think. I would be happy to give you a hand
> if need be!
>
> regards,
> //Martin
>
> On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 8:11 AM, Gwen Morse<gwen.morse at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'm a long-time MUSHer (I've MUSHed for well over 16 years).
>> Additionally, I've learned a little bit of ruby programming. I would
>> love to be able to use Muby as a client.
>>
>> MUDs and MUSHes have recently regained popularity, so it's quite
>> possible that it would be reasonable to reopen this project.
>>
>> Gwen

Thank you for the quick response. I tried it earlier and it didn't
work. I run on windows (sadly), and I'm terribly spoiled by using a
cygwin compile of Tinyfuge.

When I try running it from Cygwin ruby, I get the following error message:
muby-0.7.14.gem:1: undefined local variable or method `data' for
main:Object (NameError)

I've never run a gem from this install so that may be the problem.
But, I can't even get the program to open right now :(

Gwen

From zondolfin at gmail.com  Mon Aug 24 04:50:24 2009
From: zondolfin at gmail.com (Martin Bruse)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 10:50:24 +0200
Subject: [Muby-talk] Anything going on with this client?
In-Reply-To: <df40367e0908240111uede63e9we59316ebec994061@mail.gmail.com>
References: <df40367e0908232311p7514ac92h7f8f6a68cc47602e@mail.gmail.com>
	<27acba740908232317i6cdaeb4dka5f52cc2e8097d83@mail.gmail.com>
	<df40367e0908240111uede63e9we59316ebec994061@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <27acba740908240150t4e01a0det5d50c70473c04c79@mail.gmail.com>

Ah - muby is packaged with rubygems, hence the .gem suffix.

See http://rubygems.org/

This means that you could (if you had the 'gem' tool installed)
install muby with the simple expedient of running the command "gem
install muby".

I suggest that you install gem (from the above mentioned page) and try again.

I must warn you, however, that it depends on another gem called
"ncurses" (that, not so surprisingly, wraps the ncurses c library).
gem will install the dependency for you automatically when you try to
install muby, but I have no personal experience of installing it on
windows, and you may experience problems finding/installing the
ncurses library (or something compatible) and possibly also installing
the ncurses gem.

However, your cygwin installation may solve all that for you. Your
mileage may vary :)

Good luck!
//Martin

On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Gwen Morse<gwen.morse at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 2:17 AM, Martin Bruse<zondolfin at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Well, nothing much has happened, but muby worked fine last time I
>> tried (which was, admittedly, about a year ago).
>>
>> Try it out and say what you think. I would be happy to give you a hand
>> if need be!
>>
>> regards,
>> //Martin
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 8:11 AM, Gwen Morse<gwen.morse at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I'm a long-time MUSHer (I've MUSHed for well over 16 years).
>>> Additionally, I've learned a little bit of ruby programming. I would
>>> love to be able to use Muby as a client.
>>>
>>> MUDs and MUSHes have recently regained popularity, so it's quite
>>> possible that it would be reasonable to reopen this project.
>>>
>>> Gwen
>
> Thank you for the quick response. I tried it earlier and it didn't
> work. I run on windows (sadly), and I'm terribly spoiled by using a
> cygwin compile of Tinyfuge.
>
> When I try running it from Cygwin ruby, I get the following error message:
> muby-0.7.14.gem:1: undefined local variable or method `data' for
> main:Object (NameError)
>
> I've never run a gem from this install so that may be the problem.
> But, I can't even get the program to open right now :(
>
> Gwen
> _______________________________________________
> muby-talk mailing list
> muby-talk at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/muby-talk
> http://rubyforge.org/projects/muby/
>

From gwen.morse at gmail.com  Mon Aug 24 06:20:04 2009
From: gwen.morse at gmail.com (Gwen Morse)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 06:20:04 -0400
Subject: [Muby-talk] Anything going on with this client?
In-Reply-To: <27acba740908240150t4e01a0det5d50c70473c04c79@mail.gmail.com>
References: <df40367e0908232311p7514ac92h7f8f6a68cc47602e@mail.gmail.com> 
	<27acba740908232317i6cdaeb4dka5f52cc2e8097d83@mail.gmail.com> 
	<df40367e0908240111uede63e9we59316ebec994061@mail.gmail.com> 
	<27acba740908240150t4e01a0det5d50c70473c04c79@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <df40367e0908240320me90757drde93ea51c6fe3020@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 4:50 AM, Martin Bruse<zondolfin at gmail.com> wrote:
> Ah - muby is packaged with rubygems, hence the .gem suffix.
>
> See http://rubygems.org/

To be clear, the "gem" is not the executable itself, it's instead a
form of packaging, similar to an rpm but with a ruby packaging system?

I don't run the .gem, I install it?

Gwen

From zondolfin at gmail.com  Mon Aug 24 07:35:15 2009
From: zondolfin at gmail.com (Martin Bruse)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 13:35:15 +0200
Subject: [Muby-talk] Anything going on with this client?
In-Reply-To: <df40367e0908240320me90757drde93ea51c6fe3020@mail.gmail.com>
References: <df40367e0908232311p7514ac92h7f8f6a68cc47602e@mail.gmail.com>
	<27acba740908232317i6cdaeb4dka5f52cc2e8097d83@mail.gmail.com>
	<df40367e0908240111uede63e9we59316ebec994061@mail.gmail.com>
	<27acba740908240150t4e01a0det5d50c70473c04c79@mail.gmail.com>
	<df40367e0908240320me90757drde93ea51c6fe3020@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <27acba740908240435w46a90bd0yb9aec12b678cb197@mail.gmail.com>

Yup, just so.

//Martin

On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Gwen Morse<gwen.morse at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 4:50 AM, Martin Bruse<zondolfin at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Ah - muby is packaged with rubygems, hence the .gem suffix.
>>
>> See http://rubygems.org/
>
> To be clear, the "gem" is not the executable itself, it's instead a
> form of packaging, similar to an rpm but with a ruby packaging system?
>
> I don't run the .gem, I install it?
>
> Gwen
> _______________________________________________
> muby-talk mailing list
> muby-talk at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/muby-talk
> http://rubyforge.org/projects/muby/
>

From gwen.morse at gmail.com  Mon Aug 24 13:28:54 2009
From: gwen.morse at gmail.com (Gwen Morse)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 13:28:54 -0400
Subject: [Muby-talk] Anything going on with this client?
In-Reply-To: <27acba740908240435w46a90bd0yb9aec12b678cb197@mail.gmail.com>
References: <df40367e0908232311p7514ac92h7f8f6a68cc47602e@mail.gmail.com> 
	<27acba740908232317i6cdaeb4dka5f52cc2e8097d83@mail.gmail.com> 
	<df40367e0908240111uede63e9we59316ebec994061@mail.gmail.com> 
	<27acba740908240150t4e01a0det5d50c70473c04c79@mail.gmail.com> 
	<df40367e0908240320me90757drde93ea51c6fe3020@mail.gmail.com> 
	<27acba740908240435w46a90bd0yb9aec12b678cb197@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <df40367e0908241028o251ae9cbx3790551deb058d60@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 7:35 AM, Martin Bruse<zondolfin at gmail.com> wrote:
> Yup, just so.
>
> //Martin

It took a bit of fiddling, but, it installed and created my mubyrc file.

Thanks for the help,now i just have to figure out how to configure
triggers and the like.

Gwen

From gwen.morse at gmail.com  Tue Aug 25 03:28:50 2009
From: gwen.morse at gmail.com (Gwen Morse)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 03:28:50 -0400
Subject: [Muby-talk] Anything going on with this client?
In-Reply-To: <27acba740908241036k75163014o5955598b14689211@mail.gmail.com>
References: <df40367e0908232311p7514ac92h7f8f6a68cc47602e@mail.gmail.com> 
	<27acba740908232317i6cdaeb4dka5f52cc2e8097d83@mail.gmail.com> 
	<df40367e0908240111uede63e9we59316ebec994061@mail.gmail.com> 
	<27acba740908240150t4e01a0det5d50c70473c04c79@mail.gmail.com> 
	<df40367e0908240320me90757drde93ea51c6fe3020@mail.gmail.com> 
	<27acba740908240435w46a90bd0yb9aec12b678cb197@mail.gmail.com> 
	<df40367e0908241028o251ae9cbx3790551deb058d60@mail.gmail.com> 
	<27acba740908241036k75163014o5955598b14689211@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <df40367e0908250028g30a77c03t9ecf8a94e8384fef@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 1:36 PM, Martin Bruse<zondolfin at gmail.com> wrote:
> Oh, you got it running!
>
> Great :)

I just needed to know that the gem was an installer. Again, I've never
worked with gems. I'm teaching myself ruby now by writing little
scripts for my MUSHing.

I had _thought_ gems were executables bundled up to work on systems
without ruby installed. I've since done some googling and found I'm
going to pretty much need ruby installed to run any scripts, or use
rubyscript2exe. (You've already explained gems are bundled
installers).

> I can attach one of my own config files, just to give you some hints
> as to what can be done.
>
> //Martin

Thanks, that's very helpful for setting up matches and highlights.
It's not clear - does muby support 256 color if the terminal does?
Your triggers have "red" and "white" in them and I don't see any color
codes when I scan through it. Finally, is there more help than simply
typing "/help"? Was a help file bundled in with the gem?

I'm thrilled that the commands are sent with a forward slash. I use
Tinyfugue and the command syntax is the same. I won't have to get used
to using a different command marker.

I'm off to play with it now.

From zondolfin at gmail.com  Tue Aug 25 04:05:29 2009
From: zondolfin at gmail.com (Martin Bruse)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 10:05:29 +0200
Subject: [Muby-talk] Anything going on with this client?
In-Reply-To: <df40367e0908250028g30a77c03t9ecf8a94e8384fef@mail.gmail.com>
References: <df40367e0908232311p7514ac92h7f8f6a68cc47602e@mail.gmail.com>
	<27acba740908232317i6cdaeb4dka5f52cc2e8097d83@mail.gmail.com>
	<df40367e0908240111uede63e9we59316ebec994061@mail.gmail.com>
	<27acba740908240150t4e01a0det5d50c70473c04c79@mail.gmail.com>
	<df40367e0908240320me90757drde93ea51c6fe3020@mail.gmail.com>
	<27acba740908240435w46a90bd0yb9aec12b678cb197@mail.gmail.com>
	<df40367e0908241028o251ae9cbx3790551deb058d60@mail.gmail.com>
	<27acba740908241036k75163014o5955598b14689211@mail.gmail.com>
	<df40367e0908250028g30a77c03t9ecf8a94e8384fef@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <27acba740908250105t2a77e18kc7c3d6ef834dc30c@mail.gmail.com>

> Thanks, that's very helpful for setting up matches and highlights.
> It's not clear - does muby support 256 color if the terminal does?
> Your triggers have "red" and "white" in them and I don't see any color
> codes when I scan through it. Finally, is there more help than simply
> typing "/help"? Was a help file bundled in with the gem?

Muby can send colors, but to simplify triggers and stuff it doesn't
detect them - so you trigger on the text only.

No, there is really no dedicated help file. Sy Ali used to have a huge
wiki set up with help and hints for muby, but that wiki is now sadly
gone :(

> I'm thrilled that the commands are sent with a forward slash. I use
> Tinyfugue and the command syntax is the same. I won't have to get used
> to using a different command marker.

Cool :)

> I'm off to play with it now.

Good luck!

//Martin

From spiralofhope at lavabit.com  Tue Aug 25 17:23:06 2009
From: spiralofhope at lavabit.com (spiralofhope)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:23:06 -0700
Subject: [Muby-talk] Anything going on with this client?
In-Reply-To: <27acba740908250105t2a77e18kc7c3d6ef834dc30c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <df40367e0908232311p7514ac92h7f8f6a68cc47602e@mail.gmail.com>
	<27acba740908232317i6cdaeb4dka5f52cc2e8097d83@mail.gmail.com>
	<df40367e0908240111uede63e9we59316ebec994061@mail.gmail.com>
	<27acba740908240150t4e01a0det5d50c70473c04c79@mail.gmail.com>
	<df40367e0908240320me90757drde93ea51c6fe3020@mail.gmail.com>
	<27acba740908240435w46a90bd0yb9aec12b678cb197@mail.gmail.com>
	<df40367e0908241028o251ae9cbx3790551deb058d60@mail.gmail.com>
	<27acba740908241036k75163014o5955598b14689211@mail.gmail.com>
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	<27acba740908250105t2a77e18kc7c3d6ef834dc30c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090825142306.1961816c@lavabit.com>

On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 10:05:29 +0200
Martin Bruse <zondolfin at gmail.com> wrote:

> No, there is really no dedicated help file. Sy Ali used to have a huge
> wiki set up with help and hints for muby, but that wiki is now sadly
> gone :(

It looks like it's all archived here:
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://jrandomhacker.info/Muby

Also, I downloaded those docs when I checked Muby out a couple of years
ago.  I can try to find that archive if it'll help.


From zond at troja.ath.cx  Wed Aug 26 00:34:20 2009
From: zond at troja.ath.cx (Gruad Lloigor)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 06:34:20 +0200
Subject: [Muby-talk] Anything going on with this client?
In-Reply-To: <20090825142306.1961816c@lavabit.com>
References: <df40367e0908232311p7514ac92h7f8f6a68cc47602e@mail.gmail.com>
	<df40367e0908240111uede63e9we59316ebec994061@mail.gmail.com>
	<27acba740908240150t4e01a0det5d50c70473c04c79@mail.gmail.com>
	<df40367e0908240320me90757drde93ea51c6fe3020@mail.gmail.com>
	<27acba740908240435w46a90bd0yb9aec12b678cb197@mail.gmail.com>
	<df40367e0908241028o251ae9cbx3790551deb058d60@mail.gmail.com>
	<27acba740908241036k75163014o5955598b14689211@mail.gmail.com>
	<df40367e0908250028g30a77c03t9ecf8a94e8384fef@mail.gmail.com>
	<27acba740908250105t2a77e18kc7c3d6ef834dc30c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090825142306.1961816c@lavabit.com>
Message-ID: <27acba740908252134k25fd442drbd623aa787986fa4@mail.gmail.com>

Great!

That wiki really was a good try at some proper documentation. Some of
it was a bit out of date, but mostly it was good advice.

//Martin

On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 11:23 PM, spiralofhope<spiralofhope at lavabit.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 10:05:29 +0200
> Martin Bruse <zondolfin at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> No, there is really no dedicated help file. Sy Ali used to have a huge
>> wiki set up with help and hints for muby, but that wiki is now sadly
>> gone :(
>
> It looks like it's all archived here:
> http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://jrandomhacker.info/Muby
>
> Also, I downloaded those docs when I checked Muby out a couple of years
> ago. ?I can try to find that archive if it'll help.
>
> _______________________________________________
> muby-talk mailing list
> muby-talk at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/muby-talk
> http://rubyforge.org/projects/muby/
>

From gwen.morse at gmail.com  Wed Aug 26 08:29:07 2009
From: gwen.morse at gmail.com (Gwen Morse)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 08:29:07 -0400
Subject: [Muby-talk] Anything going on with this client?
In-Reply-To: <27acba740908252134k25fd442drbd623aa787986fa4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <df40367e0908232311p7514ac92h7f8f6a68cc47602e@mail.gmail.com> 
	<27acba740908240150t4e01a0det5d50c70473c04c79@mail.gmail.com> 
	<df40367e0908240320me90757drde93ea51c6fe3020@mail.gmail.com> 
	<27acba740908240435w46a90bd0yb9aec12b678cb197@mail.gmail.com> 
	<df40367e0908241028o251ae9cbx3790551deb058d60@mail.gmail.com> 
	<27acba740908241036k75163014o5955598b14689211@mail.gmail.com> 
	<df40367e0908250028g30a77c03t9ecf8a94e8384fef@mail.gmail.com> 
	<27acba740908250105t2a77e18kc7c3d6ef834dc30c@mail.gmail.com> 
	<20090825142306.1961816c@lavabit.com>
	<27acba740908252134k25fd442drbd623aa787986fa4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <df40367e0908260529k772dfdb5g2c35edc32bf087fd@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 12:34 AM, Gruad Lloigor<zond at troja.ath.cx> wrote:
> Great!
>
> That wiki really was a good try at some proper documentation. Some of
> it was a bit out of date, but mostly it was good advice.
>
> //Martin
>
> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 11:23 PM, spiralofhope<spiralofhope at lavabit.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 10:05:29 +0200
>> Martin Bruse <zondolfin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> No, there is really no dedicated help file. Sy Ali used to have a huge
>>> wiki set up with help and hints for muby, but that wiki is now sadly
>>> gone :(
>>
>> It looks like it's all archived here:
>> http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://jrandomhacker.info/Muby

Thank you. I'll be reading it very closely. The wayback is a real
blessing! If you find anything else, I guess send it to the list so
there's another archive.

Gwen

From spiralofhope at lavabit.com  Wed Aug 26 10:30:27 2009
From: spiralofhope at lavabit.com (spiralofhope)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 07:30:27 -0700
Subject: [Muby-talk] Anything going on with this client?
In-Reply-To: <df40367e0908260529k772dfdb5g2c35edc32bf087fd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <df40367e0908232311p7514ac92h7f8f6a68cc47602e@mail.gmail.com>
	<27acba740908240150t4e01a0det5d50c70473c04c79@mail.gmail.com>
	<df40367e0908240320me90757drde93ea51c6fe3020@mail.gmail.com>
	<27acba740908240435w46a90bd0yb9aec12b678cb197@mail.gmail.com>
	<df40367e0908241028o251ae9cbx3790551deb058d60@mail.gmail.com>
	<27acba740908241036k75163014o5955598b14689211@mail.gmail.com>
	<df40367e0908250028g30a77c03t9ecf8a94e8384fef@mail.gmail.com>
	<27acba740908250105t2a77e18kc7c3d6ef834dc30c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090825142306.1961816c@lavabit.com>
	<27acba740908252134k25fd442drbd623aa787986fa4@mail.gmail.com>
	<df40367e0908260529k772dfdb5g2c35edc32bf087fd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090826073027.63b2068e@lavabit.com>

On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 08:29:07 -0400
Gwen Morse <gwen.morse at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you. I'll be reading it very closely. The wayback is a real
> blessing! If you find anything else, I guess send it to the list so
> there's another archive.

I found my zipfile of the documentation - it's probably the
last-updated version of it.  Once I get my hosting issues sorted out
I'll post them up online and ping the mailing list.

I've also got some configuration scripts from an earlier version of
muby which might be rewritable one day to provide good examples.


-- 
http://spiralofhope.com


From spiralofhope at lavabit.com  Sat Aug 29 04:18:54 2009
From: spiralofhope at lavabit.com (spiralofhope)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 01:18:54 -0700
Subject: [Muby-talk] hosted wiki docs
Message-ID: <20090829011854.13e7d364@lavabit.com>

My hosting finally stopped complaining and I was able to upload the
docs I have handy:
http://spiralofhope.com/hosted/muby/

You may have issues loading a page because there are css references
in them, but I don't have the mediawiki files.  Just wait for a couple
of seconds then press escape.

I could fix all of that, but I'm presently working on a custom CMS, and
when done I can rework these files so they're sensible again, and add
any updates needed.  Off the top of my head, I know there was at least
one major set of code changes which may not be included in these docs..
they're a little dated but still useful.


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