[kramdown-users] possible bug: kramdown wrapping <br> in <p>

Shawn Van Ittersum svicalifornia at gmail.com
Thu Aug 12 08:01:00 EDT 2010

Hi Thomas,

Thanks for the thorough explanation of kramdown's behavior.  I did not realize that Markdown's output was the same.  So even though is it different than what I expected, I must say again, great work on kramdown!


On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 12:14:04 +0200, Thomas Leitner wrote:
> On 2010-08-11 23:15 +0700 Shawn Van Ittersum wrote:
>> I disagree that contiguous is irrelevant.  I also see what kramdown
>> is doing, and it's something that developers can figure out.
>> However, when you or I use kramdown in some other product, its end
>> users are non-developers, who are not going to figure this out.
>> Non-developers who are going to copy in a block of HTML from
>> somewhere, expecting it to be untouched as it would be in Markdown,
>> and being very frustrated to see kramdown messing with it.
>> Contiguous blocks of HTML should be left alone.  kramdown results
>> should not diverge from Markdown results except to add clear benefit,
>> and I fail to see the benefit if this particular divergence.
> The Markdown implementation by Gruber does actually the same in this
> case, as does PHP Markdown.
>> With regard to your example input of "test": the rule we discussed
>> before was that the first line and any line that followed a blank
>> line would be treated as the start of a new block.  Following this
>> rule, it is fitting to wrap "test" in p tags.  It is not appropriate
>> to apply p tags in the middle of a block of HTML, regardless of the
>> opening and closing of DOM elements within that HTML block.  kramdown
>> should respect the rules of Markdown first.
> No, this is not correct. For example, you can have a blank line between
> two parts of one code block, like this:
>     This is the first part of the code block.
>     This is still the same code block.
> Markdown is more or less a line oriented markup language: each line is
> processed on its own and assigned a certain meaning. If it starts with
> a hash, it becomes a header; if it starts with four spaces or one tab,
> it is a code block. This is also how kramdown does the parsing: one
> line after another.
> There are some syntax elements that span multiple lines, like setext
> headers, but they also don't stop in the middle of the line but need
> whole lines.
> The only block level parser that is different regarding this is... the
> HTML parser but there are good reasons for being different!
>> I still don't understand why kramdown has an HTML parser... HTML tags
>> should simply pass through untouched.
> HTML parsing is hard, although it seems easy. This is the reason why
> there have been several completely different HTML parsers in kramdown.
> The first incarnation did something very simple and wasn't very
> powerful (ie. no "markdown" attribute and no markdown-in-html
> parsing, many problematic edge cases).
> The current parser is needed to ensure that everything works as good as
> possible:
> * There are clearly defined rules how HTML is parsed in kramdown. If
>   you follow the rules, you know what you will get as output. This is
>   documented at http://kramdown.rubyforge.org/syntax.html#html-blocks
>   If you find a difference to what kramdown actually does, please
>   report!
> * kramdown-in-HTML is supported as well as the "markdown" attribute.
> * Edge cases are reduced to a minimum.
> * Adding HTML to a kramdown document is easier for end users because the
>   kramdown HTML parser is more intelligent and tries to do the correct
>   thing.
> * I did not develop the rules for the HTML parser alone but was helped
>   and often corrected by people on this ML.
> -- Thomas
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