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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Thanks for all the feedback on what you guys are interested in.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I would like to request folks to start playing with IronRuby and
Rails 2.3.5 today. Mark, trying IronRuby + Rails on Azure sounds like a great
project. It would be great if you could look at using Rails 2.3.5 for now. Having
such a demo for IronRuby V1 RTM will be a great showcasing of the exiting
functionality. I understand that Rails 3 is of interest to folks, and that
support will come. But there will always be something new around the corner and
we are chasing a moving target in that regards. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Getting you folks to play with what works today will be greatly
appreciated. Do report the blocking issues you run into. Most of those will
apply to getting Rails 3 working as well anyway.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Shri<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
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ironruby-core-bounces@rubyforge.org
[mailto:ironruby-core-bounces@rubyforge.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark Rendle<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 16, 2010 7:06 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> ironruby-core@rubyforge.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Ironruby-core] MRI 1.8.7 compatibility<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>MRI 1.9.1 is my Linux Ruby of choice, so I'm definitely in
favour of 1.9 being the focus for IronRuby, and as soon as I can clone a 1.x
branch I'll be all over it, with Rails 3 testing as a focus. (Eventual aim: to
prove IronRuby & Rails 3 as a cool Windows Azure solution).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Mark<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 10:22 PM, Jimmy Schementi <<a
href="mailto:Jimmy.Schementi@microsoft.com">Jimmy.Schementi@microsoft.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Good point, but slight overreaction =)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Running Rails 3 and being 1.8.7
compatible can be completely different goals, as Rails 3 doesn’t use <i>all</i>
of the 1.8.7 features. =) We can implement the features needed for Rails 3 for
the releases after 1.0, so we may turn out to be compatible-enough with 1.8.7
for Rails 3. But, since we’re not going to run tests against both 1.8.7
and 1.9, we won’t be compatible enough to actually say “ruby-1.8.7
compatible”. Plus, we’d like to start ripping out ruby-1.8 features
from the 1.x releases, so that might be an impossible statement.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Since 1.9 is the future of Ruby,
we’re jumping directly to supporting it, as that will position IronRuby
for great compatibility in the future, rather than trying to optimize for the
current state of the ruby-world. If Rails 3 on IronRuby 1.1 or 1.2 is very
important to people, than it’ll find a way of happening. But 1.8.x
support is a dead-end, and not worth the IronRuby core team’s or
contributor’s time. Plus, Matz ordered me to stop caring about 1.8
support, so I can’t say no to that =P</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Are there other reasons why it’s
important for IronRuby to be ruby-1.8.7 compatible? If not, I’d prefer to
just prioritize any changes needed for “Rails 3 support”, rather
than 1.8.7 support.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>~Jimmy</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <a
href="mailto:ironruby-core-bounces@rubyforge.org" target="_blank">ironruby-core-bounces@rubyforge.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:ironruby-core-bounces@rubyforge.org" target="_blank">ironruby-core-bounces@rubyforge.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Orion Edwards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 15, 2010 1:51 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ironruby-core@rubyforge.org"
target="_blank">ironruby-core@rubyforge.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Ironruby-core] MRI 1.8.7 compatibility<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> IronRuby 1.0.x releases: ONLY ruby-1.8.6
compatible</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>> IronRuby 1.x releases: ONLY ruby-1.9 compatible</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>My
fear is that releasing 1.0 so close to release of Rails 3 without the ability
to run it will do little for IronRuby's image in the wider Ruby community (who,
from my admittedly limited experience, care about weather it can run Rails or
not).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>+1.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>While
it seems logical to go down the path jimmy mentioned, It looks like what will
happen is that rails3 won't run on IronRuby at all until the 1.x releases build
up 1.9 compat to a decent enough point and stabilize.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Is
1.9 compat a big deal? It seems like it would be a ton of work
to implement 1.9 compatibility in a stable way - thereby leaving
IronRuby unable to run rails 3 for a long long time...<o:p></o:p></p>
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