[Ironruby-core] Contributing?

Mike Moore blowmage at gmail.com
Mon Oct 25 13:27:30 EDT 2010

On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 4:22 AM, Andrius Bentkus <
Andrius.Bentkus at rwth-aachen.de> wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 1:57 AM, Michael Letterle <
> michael.letterle at gmail.com> wrote:
>> FWIW having separate IronRuby, IronPython, and Common repos that are
>> sub moduled(is that a word?) would make sense, that way changes that
>> are done in Common by both people working on Ruby and Python are
>> easily shared.. the current configuration feels.. fragile.
> There is a major problem: different vcs tools. I guess the IronPython
> project will stay with TFS/SVN while IronRuby will use git(hub). Having
> common submodule repos managed by different VCS would be a world of pain.
> There is no way of dividing the project into submodules if IronPython
> doesn't move to github/git. Maybe some git-svn magic would help and mirror
> versions on github of the svn repositories would be needed.

I don't think this would be too difficult to work around. There is already
some process that replicates changes from the IronPython's CodePlex repo to
IronRuby's GitHub repo. If the current monolithic project structure were
broken up into submoldules, you could have just IronPython's CodePlex being
replicated to an IronPython git repo.

I think that another major problem the IronRuby project has are the 4 sites
> with IronRuby content. There are like 4 sites now on github, rubyforge,
> ironruby.net and the codeplex with different content on ironruby. This is
> madness, IronPython as only 2 sites, ironpython.net and codeplex  and that
> makes sence. When I looked into the project I was just confused, because I
> couldn't find any information and the little bits of Information were
> scattered and outdated. And this is a real dilemma, because you just can't
> move away from any of these sites: you have to stay at codeplex at because
> it is an Iron project, you have to stay at rubyforge because it is ruby
> afterall, you can't move from github, because all the ruby kids use git, so
> there is only ironruby.net left, but you can't get rid of that either,
> it's after all the ironruby domain.
> The purposes of the sites need to be trimmed down: use codeplex and
> rubyforge only for binary distribution, github for versioning, issue
> tracking and wiki and ironruby.net as a presentation site just like
> ironpython.net is, cut the documentation out of it and stuff it in the
> github wiki, redudancy is hard to version.
> I don't think that keeping the issue tracking system on codeplex really
> helps in any way: people who are interested only in IronRuby have to
> register now on codeplex and github, people who are interested in bot iron
> projects will have to register on both anyway.

I don't see the number of content sites as a major problem. Rubyforge is
being phased out in favor of better tools, so I don't think its a long term
solution. (Even gem hosting has moved to rubygems.org instead of
gems.rubyforge.org.) I don't think the ironruby.net site is holding the
project back at all, but I agree it could be better. I think a better
solution would be to replace it with a jekyll site running on GitHub. Just
point the ironruby.net domain to GitHub and you're done. The reason I like
the jekyll approach is because it makes it much easier for folks to create
and improve web content. Its just a pull request away from being published.
I think that system works really well, and its free.

It doesn't really matter where downloads are hosted, as long as
ironruby.netlinks to them. But they could just as easily be hosted on

The only thing that I'm aware is being used at CodePlex is the ticketing.
Again, I think there are better ticketing solutions out there, most of them
free for open source projects. I don't really see a need for CodePlex
myself, but I understand the desire to stay on it for some things. Its
probable that you could also push the jekyll content to CodePlex (and
Rubyforge) if that was desired.

> I guess splitting up this this project is a nasty nasty dilemma, because
> the project tries to unite different communities which have different tool
> preferences.

All the more reason to have separate repositories, IMO.
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