From assaph at gmail.com  Sat Oct  1 18:20:42 2005
From: assaph at gmail.com (Assaph Mehr)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 08:20:42 +1000
Subject: [Instiki] Problem with Windows version...
In-Reply-To: <7c31c11405093009014f81fa11@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c31c11405092922112f0615d9@mail.gmail.com>
	<3ff47be90509300512q25947d07n6f4475b851cf6d05@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c31c114050930085726cf4924@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c31c11405093009014f81fa11@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3ff47be90510011520j3249b95cp94a5c9040281c83b@mail.gmail.com>

>  Well, I don't use any options. I just cd to c:\instiki-0.10.2 (Where I have
> it installed), and run 'ruby instiki'. I've also tried running the rb-file
> itself like 'ruby instiki.rb', but neither work.

What exactly do you mean by 'nothing works'? What are the symtoms you
experience?
Also, what browser are you using? what are the proxy settings? do you
have a firewall installed?

Cheers,
Assaph


From brent.mcpherson at btinternet.com  Sat Oct  1 18:44:57 2005
From: brent.mcpherson at btinternet.com (Brent)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 23:44:57 +0100
Subject: [Instiki] problems with Instiki on Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <433BF163.9090908@verk.info>
References: <p0623092bbf60f7cfb8ea@[192.168.254.205]>	<bf6e1c51dab203e1a1441fbb78ae500f@mac.com>	<356815C0-00C7-4383-80B3-3D051F0F8755@gmail.com>
	<FD9E4504-ACDC-4069-A898-9A673F4B1510@btinternet.com>
	<433BF163.9090908@verk.info>
Message-ID: <7FE00843-A9C5-403D-B3BA-62C5033D5353@btinternet.com>


On 29 Sep 2005, at 2:51 pm, Alexey Verkhovsky wrote:
> That's one major reason why Instiki-AR will be easier to live with  
> than
> its predecessor. Cleaning old revisions is a fairly simple database
> script, something like:

Couple of naive questions...

1) Will Instiki-AR become the main development branch for Instiki?

2) Will it be as simple to install and run as the current Instiki or  
will it require more setup?

Thanks!
--
Brent


From cblair1986 at gmail.com  Sat Oct  1 20:39:03 2005
From: cblair1986 at gmail.com (Chris Blair)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 17:39:03 -0700
Subject: [Instiki] Problem with Windows version...
In-Reply-To: <3ff47be90510011520j3249b95cp94a5c9040281c83b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c31c11405092922112f0615d9@mail.gmail.com>
	<3ff47be90509300512q25947d07n6f4475b851cf6d05@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c31c114050930085726cf4924@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c31c11405093009014f81fa11@mail.gmail.com>
	<3ff47be90510011520j3249b95cp94a5c9040281c83b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7c31c114051001173940ea3f5d@mail.gmail.com>

Well, I'll start Instiki up, and it starts just like is should, but when I
go to use Firefox and connect to localhost:2500, it just waits for the page
to load. The page never loads, and there is no activity in the Instiki
console-window. I don't use any proxies, I don't have a firewall, and I use
Firefox.
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From watts at ranea.org  Sun Oct  2 14:13:45 2005
From: watts at ranea.org (Watts Martin)
Date: Sun,  2 Oct 2005 11:13:45 -0700
Subject: [Instiki] Problem formatting the word LaTeX
In-Reply-To: <433D2C31.9040106@uis.no>
Message-ID: <r02010500-1042-45A64DC6337011DA8EF6000A9595B3D4@[209.237.26.147]>

> I am using Instiki v0.10.2 to write about LaTeX and my problem is that 
> whenever I put the word LaTeX in a text or heading, Instiki insist on 
> making a link of it like La Te X?

Put a "\" before the word to escape it, like "\LaTeX".

-- 
Watts Martin <watts at ranea.org>


From Anurag.Sharma at alcatel.com.au  Tue Oct  4 00:58:00 2005
From: Anurag.Sharma at alcatel.com.au (Anurag.Sharma@alcatel.com.au)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 14:58:00 +1000
Subject: [Instiki] Connection to instiki causes connection abort
Message-ID: <OFEA79804C.717F8B44-ONCA257090.001AAE08-CA257090.001B48C2@alcanet.com.au>


Hi All,

Let me first congratulate the developers of instiki. You have done an 
amazing job. 
Please add me to your fanclub list :-)

One issue I have had so far is as follows. Would appreciate it if someone 
can shed more light on it.
I run my instiki on a windows xp machine/cygwin environment. The comman I 
use in a cygwin shell is as follows.

instiki  -p 8080 -b 139.188.110.158

The ip address is the ip of the win xp box. Now I can access the wiki 
without any issues from the win xp box. However if some one else tries to 
access it from another ip address within the intranet, the instiki engine 
just dies. Following is the trace.

Many thanks in advance for your help.

Kind Regards,

Anurag

Processing WikiController#show (for 139.188.110.169 at Tue Oct 04 14:24:12 
GMT+10:00 2005)
  Parameters: {"action"=>"show", "id"=>"HomePage", "controller"=>"wiki", 
"web"=>"apollo"}
Rendering  within layouts/default
Rendering wiki/page (200 OK)
Completed in 0.10700 (9 reqs/sec) | Rendering: 0.10500 (98%) 
[http://139.188.110.158/apollo/show/Hom
ePage]
139.188.110.169 - - [04/Oct/2005:14:24:12 GMT+10:00] "GET 
/apollo/show/HomePage HTTP/1.1" 200 10913
- -> /apollo/show/HomePage
[2005-10-04 14:24:12] ERROR Errno::ECONNABORTED: Software caused 
connection abort
        /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/webrick/httprequest.rb:325:in `gets'
        /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/webrick/httprequest.rb:325:in `__send__'
        /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/webrick/httprequest.rb:325:in `_read_data'
        /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/webrick/httprequest.rb:324:in `timeout'
        /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/timeout.rb:55:in `timeout'
        /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/webrick/httprequest.rb:324:in `_read_data'
        /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/webrick/httprequest.rb:335:in `read_line'
        /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/webrick/httprequest.rb:225:in 
`read_request_line'
        /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/webrick/httprequest.rb:86:in `parse'
        /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/webrick/httpserver.rb:56:in `run'
        /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/webrick/server.rb:155:in `start_thread'
        /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/webrick/server.rb:144:in `start'
        /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/webrick/server.rb:144:in `start_thread'
        /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/webrick/server.rb:94:in `start'
        /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/webrick/server.rb:89:in `each'
        /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/webrick/server.rb:89:in `start'
        /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/webrick/server.rb:79:in `start'
        /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/webrick/server.rb:79:in `start'
 /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/rails-0.13.1/lib/webrick_server.rb:57:in 
`dispatch'
        /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/instiki-0.10.2/./script/server:92
 
/usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activesupport-1.1.1/lib/active_support/dependencies.rb:193:in 
`l
oad'
 
/usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activesupport-1.1.1/lib/active_support/dependencies.rb:193:in 
`l
oad'
        /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/instiki-0.10.2/./instiki:6
 
/usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activesupport-1.1.1/lib/active_support/dependencies.rb:193:in 
`l
oad'
 
/usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activesupport-1.1.1/lib/active_support/dependencies.rb:193:in 
`l
oad'
        /usr/bin/instiki:18


Processing WikiController#show (for 139.188.110.169 at Tue Oct 04 14:24:12 
GMT+10:00 2005)
  Parameters: {"action"=>"show", "id"=>"HomePage", "controller"=>"wiki", 
"web"=>"apollo"}
Rendering  within layouts/default
Rendering wiki/page (200 OK)
Completed in 0.10000 (9 reqs/sec) | Rendering: 0.09700 (96%) 
[http://139.188.110.158/apollo/show/Hom
ePage]
[2005-10-04 14:24:12] ERROR Errno::ECONNABORTED: Software caused 
connection abort
        /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/webrick/httpresponse.rb:324:in `write'
        /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/webrick/httpresponse.rb:324:in `<<'
        /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/webrick/httpresponse.rb:324:in `_write_data'
        /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/webrick/httpresponse.rb:296:in 
`send_body_string'
        /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/webrick/httpresponse.rb:187:in `send_body'
        /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/webrick/httpresponse.rb:104:in `send_response'
        /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/webrick/httpserver.rb:79:in `run'
        /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/webrick/server.rb:155:in `start_thread'
        /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/webrick/server.rb:144:in `start'
        /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/webrick/server.rb:144:in `start_thread'
        /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/webrick/server.rb:94:in `start'
        /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/webrick/server.rb:89:in `each'
        /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/webrick/server.rb:89:in `start'
        /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/webrick/server.rb:79:in `start'
        /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/webrick/server.rb:79:in `start'
 /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/rails-0.13.1/lib/webrick_server.rb:57:in 
`dispatch'
        /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/instiki-0.10.2/./script/server:92
 
/usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activesupport-1.1.1/lib/active_support/dependencies.rb:193:in 
`l
oad'
 
/usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activesupport-1.1.1/lib/active_support/dependencies.rb:193:in 
`l
oad'
        /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/instiki-0.10.2/./instiki:6
 
/usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activesupport-1.1.1/lib/active_support/dependencies.rb:193:in 
`l
oad'
 
/usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activesupport-1.1.1/lib/active_support/dependencies.rb:193:in 
`l
oad'
        /usr/bin/instiki:18
139.188.110.169 - - [04/Oct/2005:14:24:12 GMT+10:00] "GET 
/apollo/show/HomePage HTTP/1.1" 200 0
- -> /apollo/show/HomePage


Processing WikiController#show (for 139.188.110.169 at Tue Oct 04 14:24:12 
GMT+10:00 2005)
  Parameters: {"action"=>"show", "id"=>"HomePage", "controller"=>"wiki", 
"web"=>"apollo"}
/usr/lib/ruby/1.8/webrick/server.rb:148: [BUG] Segmentation fault
ruby 1.8.2 (2004-12-25) [i386-cygwin]


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From ianic at inet.hr  Tue Oct  4 09:54:15 2005
From: ianic at inet.hr (Igor Anic)
Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 15:54:15 +0200
Subject: [Instiki] wrong links on published web
Message-ID: <43428987.2040400@inet.hr>

On the instiki Web site i found advice how to configure Instiki and 
Apache: http://instiki.org/show/HowToUseInstikiAsWebSite .

My virtual host section in apache config is:
ProxyPass /mojalbumfaq/ http://localhost:2501/mojalbumfaq/published/
ProxyPassReverse /mojalbumfaq/ http://localhost:2501/mojalbumfaq/published/

My home page is correctly shown on:
http://localhost/mojalbumfaq/
but the other links don't work.

For example link to the page 'Forumi' is generated as:
http://localhost/published/Forumi
but the correct location would be:
http://localhost/mojalbumfaq/Forumi

On http://localhost/mojalbumfaq/Forumi
link to the home page point to
http://localhost/mojalbumfaq/published/HomePage
but should be:
http://localhost/mojalbumfaq/HomePage


Of course everything works find without Apache proxy, when I point to:
http://localhost:2501/mojalbumfaq/published/HomePage


Any advice?
Thanks,
Igor.




From brent.mcpherson at btinternet.com  Tue Oct  4 12:02:04 2005
From: brent.mcpherson at btinternet.com (Brent)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 17:02:04 +0100
Subject: [Instiki] problems with Instiki on Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <7FE00843-A9C5-403D-B3BA-62C5033D5353@btinternet.com>
References: <p0623092bbf60f7cfb8ea@[192.168.254.205]>	<bf6e1c51dab203e1a1441fbb78ae500f@mac.com>	<356815C0-00C7-4383-80B3-3D051F0F8755@gmail.com>
	<FD9E4504-ACDC-4069-A898-9A673F4B1510@btinternet.com>
	<433BF163.9090908@verk.info>
	<7FE00843-A9C5-403D-B3BA-62C5033D5353@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <7A3F2E06-427D-49B7-92FE-161404A79C25@btinternet.com>

OS X users might also be interested in this checking out MoinX  
(http://moinx.antbear.org/)

It is a version of the MoinMoin wiki for OS X and it is very similar  
to Instiki and it is a single app with easy to access preferences.

On the surface it looks like it might fill my needs for a personal  
wiki better than Instiki but I haven't really checked it out. Just  
thought I would mention it for us OS X users who have a few issues  
with the latest Instiki.

Cheers!
--
Brent


From indranil at troidus.com  Wed Oct  5 12:34:38 2005
From: indranil at troidus.com (Indranil Dasgupta)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 22:04:38 +0530
Subject: [Instiki] instiki on dreamhost
Message-ID: <7073A14F-215D-4076-A6BA-B49AF1D5885F@troidus.com>

Hi,
I'm just smitten by instiki, and want to install it on Dreamhost. Can  
anyone help me?
Thanks
Indranil

From rdm at cfcl.com  Wed Oct  5 13:17:11 2005
From: rdm at cfcl.com (Rich Morin)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 10:17:11 -0700
Subject: [Instiki] Instiki, Instiki-AR, i2 ???
Message-ID: <p06230902bf69b830dd35@[192.168.254.205]>

I've seen two Instiki "forks" being floated:

On rails at lists.rubyonrails.org, Alexey Verkhovsky says that he has been
creating Instiki-AR, an ActiveRecord-based rework.

In http://dev.rubyonrails.com/file/tools/i2/README, DHH says:

   i2 is small, tight rewrite of Instiki as a native Rails application
   that runs [off] of a database instead of Madeleine.  It's better
   suited for big, public wikis with lots of pages.  But it requires
   more manual work to set up.

The activity is interesting, but I'm a bit concerned that we'll end
up with three (or more) Instiki variants, each on its own fork.  Is
there any chance for a reconciliation (:-)?

-r
-- 
email: rdm at cfcl.com; phone: +1 650-873-7841
http://www.cfcl.com        - Canta Forda Computer Laboratory
http://www.cfcl.com/Meta   - The FreeBSD Browser, Meta Project, etc.

From david at loudthinking.com  Wed Oct  5 15:01:44 2005
From: david at loudthinking.com (David Heinemeier Hansson)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 12:01:44 -0700
Subject: [Instiki] Instiki, Instiki-AR, i2 ???
In-Reply-To: <p06230902bf69b830dd35@[192.168.254.205]>
References: <p06230902bf69b830dd35@[192.168.254.205]>
Message-ID: <78870765-CBA9-46CC-986B-9E37A761529F@loudthinking.com>

> The activity is interesting, but I'm a bit concerned that we'll end
> up with three (or more) Instiki variants, each on its own fork.  Is
> there any chance for a reconciliation (:-)?

I'm thinking there are two different tracks. The original vision for  
Instiki was personal/group wikis where you don't have all those  
problems like big wikis do (like spam, etc), but on the other hand  
you want zero setup time.

I made the mistake of using Instiki, which is meant for the personal  
wiki, on big public sites like the Rails wiki. That's just a bad fit.  
So I see i2/Instiki-AR as a different track.

And I'd like to see them evolve more into those niches.
--
David Heinemeier Hansson
http://www.37signals.com    -- Basecamp, Backpack, Writeboard, Tada
http://www.loudthinking.com -- Broadcasting Brain
http://www.rubyonrails.com  -- Web-application framework



From crelisr at gmail.com  Thu Oct  6 04:04:41 2005
From: crelisr at gmail.com (Crelis Rammelt)
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 10:04:41 +0200
Subject: [Instiki] problems with Instiki on Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <7A3F2E06-427D-49B7-92FE-161404A79C25@btinternet.com>
References: <p0623092bbf60f7cfb8ea@[192.168.254.205]>	<bf6e1c51dab203e1a1441fbb78ae500f@mac.com>	<356815C0-00C7-4383-80B3-3D051F0F8755@gmail.com>
	<FD9E4504-ACDC-4069-A898-9A673F4B1510@btinternet.com>
	<433BF163.9090908@verk.info>
	<7FE00843-A9C5-403D-B3BA-62C5033D5353@btinternet.com>
	<7A3F2E06-427D-49B7-92FE-161404A79C25@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <FBF78C3A-E347-40F7-B79C-6D8334EB20E3@gmail.com>

Thanks Brent! I am giving it a try.
Cheers Crelis

On Oct 4, 2005, at 6:02 PM, Brent wrote:

> OS X users might also be interested in this checking out MoinX
> (http://moinx.antbear.org/)
>
> It is a version of the MoinMoin wiki for OS X and it is very similar
> to Instiki and it is a single app with easy to access preferences.
>
> On the surface it looks like it might fill my needs for a personal
> wiki better than Instiki but I haven't really checked it out. Just
> thought I would mention it for us OS X users who have a few issues
> with the latest Instiki.
>
> Cheers!
> --
> Brent
>
> _______________________________________________
> Instiki-users mailing list
> Instiki-users at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/instiki-users
>



From rprill at jhu.edu  Thu Oct  6 14:27:12 2005
From: rprill at jhu.edu (Robert Prill)
Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 14:27:12 -0400
Subject: [Instiki] possible to enable file upload in version 0.10.2?
Message-ID: <0C519DB7-F7FB-45C0-BD83-0479C387F260@jhu.edu>

I would like to play with the file upload feature.  As I understand  
it, it exists, but is disabled by default in version 0.10.2.  I  
obtained the 0.10.2 source via svn (svn co http://svn.instiki.org/ 
instiki/trunk instiki).  Can I simply enable file uploads?  Thanks.
- RP


From tomcloyd at bestmindhealth.com  Sun Oct  9 20:36:52 2005
From: tomcloyd at bestmindhealth.com (Tom Cloyd)
Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 17:36:52 -0700
Subject: [Instiki] documentation note
Message-ID: <op.syemnqh3jvf8eq@hpxw4200tc.hsd1.wa.comcast.net>

I searched for a while at the Insiki site trying to find out how to delete  
a page. Nothing there, it seems. I finally found a note buried on this  
page - not exactly documentation - http://instiki.rubyforge.org/

Maybe this should be added to the Users Manual?

-- t.

======================================================
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Private practice Psychotherapist
Bellingham, Washington, U.S.A: (360) 920-1226
<< BestMindHealth.com / tc at bestmindhealth.com >>
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From tomcloyd at bestmindhealth.com  Tue Oct 11 16:36:56 2005
From: tomcloyd at bestmindhealth.com (Tom Cloyd)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 13:36:56 -0700
Subject: [Instiki] linking to document fragments - Textile documentation
Message-ID: <op.syh0vud6jvf8eq@hpxw4200tc.hsd1.wa.comcast.net>

Now that I have dropped ZWiki/Zope as my prime personal wiki (Zope runs  
far too slowly on my fast WinXP box), and taken up Instiki instead (runs  
great - and is a pleasure to use), which markup scheme to use is a  
critical question.

All three options appear to do well with basic document structure, but  
since I write a lot of stuff with reference notes, being able easily to  
set up linking down to a reference note is critical matter. "Easy" means  
absolutely NO HTML, which is simply unacceptable as a fast solution.

After far too long looking for an easy solution in ANY of the 3 schema, I  
could find my concern addressed nowhere. I was fairly displeased.

Then, snooping around in the Textile sandbox, of all places - because, as  
what looks like the richest schema I simply couldn't believe that it  
didn't address this document fragment linking issue artfully, somehow, I  
found that someone had set up just the kind of link I was looking for. I  
confirmed that this was the solution I was seeking, and was finally at  
peace with this issue.

NOW, why in !@$#@! is this not addressed somewhere in some documentation?  
Intelligent people doing serious writing for the web NEED reference notes.

I would be happy to document this piece of Textile myself, but...I don't  
immediately see anywhere that this is possible.

Any solution to this?

Could someone just Take Care Of It?

-- t.

======================================================
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Private practice Psychotherapist
Bellingham, Washington, U.S.A: (360) 920-1226
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From huw.nichols at gmail.com  Tue Oct 11 19:02:21 2005
From: huw.nichols at gmail.com (Huw)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 00:02:21 +0100
Subject: [Instiki] linking to document fragments - Textile documentation
In-Reply-To: <op.syh0vud6jvf8eq@hpxw4200tc.hsd1.wa.comcast.net>
References: <op.syh0vud6jvf8eq@hpxw4200tc.hsd1.wa.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <dcfebd630510111602v678cb597wc217a53393352ae0@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

Can you not document it here on the list [please], at least to start
with, or failing that create a page on the main wiki ?? I for one
would love to see what you have found as it may well be very useful
for my work also.

Best regards

Huw

On 10/11/05, Tom Cloyd <tomcloyd at bestmindhealth.com> wrote:
> Now that I have dropped ZWiki/Zope as my prime personal wiki (Zope runs
> far too slowly on my fast WinXP box), and taken up Instiki instead (runs
> great - and is a pleasure to use), which markup scheme to use is a
> critical question.
>
> All three options appear to do well with basic document structure, but
> since I write a lot of stuff with reference notes, being able easily to
> set up linking down to a reference note is critical matter. "Easy" means
> absolutely NO HTML, which is simply unacceptable as a fast solution.
>
> After far too long looking for an easy solution in ANY of the 3 schema, I
> could find my concern addressed nowhere. I was fairly displeased.
>
> Then, snooping around in the Textile sandbox, of all places - because, as
> what looks like the richest schema I simply couldn't believe that it
> didn't address this document fragment linking issue artfully, somehow, I
> found that someone had set up just the kind of link I was looking for. I
> confirmed that this was the solution I was seeking, and was finally at
> peace with this issue.
>
> NOW, why in !@$#@! is this not addressed somewhere in some documentation?
> Intelligent people doing serious writing for the web NEED reference notes.
>
> I would be happy to document this piece of Textile myself, but...I don't
> immediately see anywhere that this is possible.
>
> Any solution to this?
>
> Could someone just Take Care Of It?
>
> -- t.
>


From rob at boringbutgood.com  Wed Oct 12 05:02:33 2005
From: rob at boringbutgood.com (Rob Sharp)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 10:02:33 +0100
Subject: [Instiki] linking to document fragments - Textile documentation
In-Reply-To: <op.syh0vud6jvf8eq@hpxw4200tc.hsd1.wa.comcast.net>
References: <op.syh0vud6jvf8eq@hpxw4200tc.hsd1.wa.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <434CD129.1060307@boringbutgood.com>



Tom Cloyd wrote:
> 
> NOW, why in !@$#@! is this not addressed somewhere in some documentation?  
> Intelligent people doing serious writing for the web NEED reference notes.
> 
> I would be happy to document this piece of Textile myself, but...I don't  
> immediately see anywhere that this is possible.
> 
> Any solution to this?
> 
> Could someone just Take Care Of It?

Bearing in mind that I've done absolutely no research on this, but what 
does the Wikipedia entry for Textile say?

Maybe you could create/expand that entry to document this feature.

R

From lewis.jubb at gmail.com  Wed Oct 12 07:27:13 2005
From: lewis.jubb at gmail.com (Lewis Jubb)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 12:27:13 +0100
Subject: [Instiki] Problem importing data into instiki-AR
Message-ID: <fe6acde20510120427j4cb74ccdk@mail.gmail.com>

I was playing around with instiki-ar today. I got every thing setup and
ready to import my data. The import went ok, but some of the data got
mangled. For example ' (single quotes) and " (double quotes) got messed up.
Also - (dashes) and ... (ellipses)

I was just wondering if anyone had any idea as to what might be causing
this.
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From GThiesfeld at emdeon.com  Wed Oct 12 10:28:05 2005
From: GThiesfeld at emdeon.com (Thiesfeld, Gordon)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 09:28:05 -0500
Subject: [Instiki] linking to document fragments - Textile documentati	on
Message-ID: <6119F2F6D5632C4EB624429CCFD6E86404706E22@zstlecex001.na.webmd.net>

> Then, snooping around in the Textile sandbox, of all places - because, as
> what looks like the richest schema I simply couldn't believe that it
> didn't address this document fragment linking issue artfully, somehow, I
> found that someone had set up just the kind of link I was looking for. I
> confirmed that this was the solution I was seeking, and was finally at
> peace with this issue.
> 
> NOW, why in !@$#@! is this not addressed somewhere in some documentation?
> Intelligent people doing serious writing for the web NEED reference notes.
>

 
Do you mean footnotes?  This page, entitled "Textile Reference" talks about
footnotes.

     http://hobix.com/textile/

> I would be happy to document this piece of Textile myself, but...I don't
> immediately see anywhere that this is possible.
> 
> Any solution to this?
> 
> Could someone just Take Care Of It?
> 
> -- t.
> 
> ======================================================
> Tom Cloyd, MS MA, LMHC
> Private practice Psychotherapist
> Bellingham, Washington, U.S.A: (360) 920-1226
> << BestMindHealth.com / tc at bestmindhealth.com >>
> ======================================================
> 
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From tomcloyd at bestmindhealth.com  Wed Oct 12 12:23:18 2005
From: tomcloyd at bestmindhealth.com (Tom Cloyd)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 09:23:18 -0700
Subject: [Instiki] linking to document fragments - Textile documentati	on
In-Reply-To: <6119F2F6D5632C4EB624429CCFD6E86404706E22@zstlecex001.na.webmd.net>
References: <6119F2F6D5632C4EB624429CCFD6E86404706E22@zstlecex001.na.webmd.net>
Message-ID: <op.syjjs4b0jvf8eq@hpxw4200tc.hsd1.wa.comcast.net>

Thank you, but no. Footnotes are not quite document fragment links, as I  
point out in the documentation that I place here:

http://instiki.org/show/Textile

But thanks anyway. The footnote thing is nice, though.

t.

On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 07:28:05 -0700, Thiesfeld, Gordon  
<GThiesfeld at emdeon.com> wrote:

>> Then, snooping around in the Textile sandbox, of all places - because,  
>> as
>> what looks like the richest schema I simply couldn't believe that it
>> didn't address this document fragment linking issue artfully, somehow, I
>> found that someone had set up just the kind of link I was looking for. I
>> confirmed that this was the solution I was seeking, and was finally at
>> peace with this issue.
>>
>> NOW, why in !@$#@! is this not addressed somewhere in some  
>> documentation?
>> Intelligent people doing serious writing for the web NEED reference  
>> notes.
>>
>
> Do you mean footnotes?  This page, entitled "Textile Reference" talks  
> about
> footnotes.
>
>      http://hobix.com/textile/
>
>> I would be happy to document this piece of Textile myself, but...I don't
>> immediately see anywhere that this is possible.
>>
>> Any solution to this?
>>
>> Could someone just Take Care Of It?
>>
>> -- t.
>>
>> ======================================================
>> Tom Cloyd, MS MA, LMHC
>> Private practice Psychotherapist
>> Bellingham, Washington, U.S.A: (360) 920-1226
>> << BestMindHealth.com / tc at bestmindhealth.com >>
>> ======================================================
>>
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>> http://www.opera.com/mail/
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======================================================
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From rhkramer at gmail.com  Wed Oct 12 15:09:13 2005
From: rhkramer at gmail.com (Randy Kramer)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:09:13 -0400
Subject: [Instiki]
	=?iso-8859-1?q?linking_to_document_fragments_-_Textile_?=
	=?iso-8859-1?q?documentati=09on?=
In-Reply-To: <op.syjjs4b0jvf8eq@hpxw4200tc.hsd1.wa.comcast.net>
References: <6119F2F6D5632C4EB624429CCFD6E86404706E22@zstlecex001.na.webmd.net>
	<op.syjjs4b0jvf8eq@hpxw4200tc.hsd1.wa.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <200510121509.13834.rhkramer@gmail.com>

On Wednesday 12 October 2005 12:23 pm, Tom Cloyd wrote:
> Thank you, but no. Footnotes are not quite document fragment links, as I
> point out in the documentation that I place here:
>
> http://instiki.org/show/Textile
>
> But thanks anyway. The footnote thing is nice, though.

Many people refer to what you've done on that page as an anchor.  You might 
find some documentation if you Google for anchor and Instiki or Textile.

BTW, is the terminology "document fragment" (in this context) something you've 
run across, or something you've invented?  (I never heard it in this context 
before.)

regards,
Randy Kramer

From tomcloyd at bestmindhealth.com  Wed Oct 12 23:28:38 2005
From: tomcloyd at bestmindhealth.com (Tom Cloyd)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:28:38 -0700
Subject: [Instiki] linking to document fragments - Textile documentati	on
In-Reply-To: <200510121509.13834.rhkramer@gmail.com>
References: <6119F2F6D5632C4EB624429CCFD6E86404706E22@zstlecex001.na.webmd.net>
	<op.syjjs4b0jvf8eq@hpxw4200tc.hsd1.wa.comcast.net>
	<200510121509.13834.rhkramer@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <op.sykel0o1jvf8eq@hpxw4200tc.hsd1.wa.comcast.net>

Re: the term "document fragment" - I use it after some careful
consideration.

First, it comes from Jennifer Niederst's fine book "Web Design in a
Nutshell" (O'Reilly), a book I consult often. I use the term exactly (I
hope!) as she does.

Knowing that it's not a common term, I thought about inventing something
that might be more immediately clear in meaning, but failed to think of
anything.

I surely agree that linking to a document fragment involves what in HTML
we would call a link anchor, but the terms in that linguistic domain are a
mess. The anchor tag <a> includes both link source and link target. And
anything else you can stick in the anchor tag. I need a more precise term
- something that points to only one thing.

I want to link part of a document to another, just like we more commonly
link one web page to another. "Document fragment" seems to work as a
label, here. I just wish it was more obvious what it's naming.

As for Googling for documentation - I did Google for "Textile" and "link"
and didn't find what I was seeking. And it certainly doesn't appear to be
documented at the Textile home site. I shouldn't have to go so far afield
to get so fundamental a question answered, anyway, I think. If we can
document footnotes - a rather unusual markup functionality, we surely
ought first to have documented document fragment linking, a set of which
footnote linking is a member.

That has been my thinking.

I will say that at this point I'm completely satisfied with the markup
functionality I have at my fingertips, with Textile in Instiki.

- t.

On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 12:09:13 -0700, Randy Kramer <rhkramer at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Wednesday 12 October 2005 12:23 pm, Tom Cloyd wrote:
>> Thank you, but no. Footnotes are not quite document fragment links, as I
>> point out in the documentation that I place here:
>>
>> http://instiki.org/show/Textile
>>
>> But thanks anyway. The footnote thing is nice, though.
>
> Many people refer to what you've done on that page as an anchor.  You  
> might
> find some documentation if you Google for anchor and Instiki or Textile.
>
> BTW, is the terminology "document fragment" (in this context) something  
> you've
> run across, or something you've invented?  (I never heard it in this  
> context
> before.)
>
> regards,
> Randy Kramer



-- 

======================================================
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Bellingham, Washington, U.S.A: (360) 920-1226
<< BestMindHealth.com / tc at bestmindhealth.com >>
======================================================

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From rdm at cfcl.com  Fri Oct 14 12:26:03 2005
From: rdm at cfcl.com (Rich Morin)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 09:26:03 -0700
Subject: [Instiki] rhtml in Insstiki?
Message-ID: <p06230904bf758b7594e3@[192.168.254.205]>

Instiki seems to be willing to interpret embedded html, but it
balks at interpreting rhtml.  For example,

   <%= 123 + 456 %>

simply shows up as

   <= 123 + 456  >

Is there a reason why allowing rhtml (perhaps as an option)
would be a Bad Idea?  If not, how might I (as a Nuby) try it?

-r
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From james at hillyerd.com  Fri Oct 14 12:35:51 2005
From: james at hillyerd.com (James Hillyerd)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 09:35:51 -0700
Subject: [Instiki] rhtml in Insstiki?
In-Reply-To: <p06230904bf758b7594e3@192.168.254.205>
References: <p06230904bf758b7594e3@192.168.254.205>
Message-ID: <254841be0510140935h1338c6dbw32b40a85c41a9964@mail.gmail.com>

I don't think rhtml runs in any sort of "sandbox". Allowing rhtml would
allow people to use it to delete files off your server, or output the
contents of files that they should not be able to see.

-james

On 10/14/05, Rich Morin <rdm at cfcl.com> wrote:
>
> Instiki seems to be willing to interpret embedded html, but it
> balks at interpreting rhtml. For example,
>
> <%= 123 + 456 %>
>
> simply shows up as
>
> <= 123 + 456 >
>
> Is there a reason why allowing rhtml (perhaps as an option)
> would be a Bad Idea? If not, how might I (as a Nuby) try it?
>
> -r
> --
> email: rdm at cfcl.com; phone: +1 650-873-7841
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From assaph at gmail.com  Fri Oct 14 12:42:25 2005
From: assaph at gmail.com (Assaph Mehr)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 02:42:25 +1000
Subject: [Instiki] rhtml in Insstiki?
In-Reply-To: <p06230904bf758b7594e3@192.168.254.205>
References: <p06230904bf758b7594e3@192.168.254.205>
Message-ID: <3ff47be90510140942idc8ad92wdcd416f77abef3ee@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Is there a reason why allowing rhtml (perhaps as an option)
> would be a Bad Idea?


It would be an extremely bad idea, as it will allow users to run code on the
server. There is no way to absolutely secure such code (it is very easy to
'leak' malicious code) and you can get random users to remotely run things
like FileUtils.rm_rf('/') on the server. Not something you probably want.

Cheers,
Assaph
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From rdm at cfcl.com  Fri Oct 14 12:51:40 2005
From: rdm at cfcl.com (Rich Morin)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 09:51:40 -0700
Subject: [Instiki] rhtml in Insstiki?
In-Reply-To: <3ff47be90510140942idc8ad92wdcd416f77abef3ee@mail.gmail.com>
References: <p06230904bf758b7594e3@192.168.254.205>
	<3ff47be90510140942idc8ad92wdcd416f77abef3ee@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06230905bf75922a2738@[192.168.254.205]>

At 2:42 AM +1000 10/15/05, Assaph Mehr wrote:
>Is there a reason why allowing rhtml (perhaps as an option)
>would be a Bad Idea?
>
>It would be an extremely bad idea, as it will allow users ...

Point taken.  Obviously, I'm not paranoid enough!

-r
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From tamassmith at mac.com  Fri Oct 14 15:56:58 2005
From: tamassmith at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Tam=E1s_Smith?=)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 15:56:58 -0400
Subject: [Instiki] rhtml in Insstiki?
In-Reply-To: <p06230905bf75922a2738@[192.168.254.205]>
References: <p06230904bf758b7594e3@192.168.254.205>
	<3ff47be90510140942idc8ad92wdcd416f77abef3ee@mail.gmail.com>
	<p06230905bf75922a2738@[192.168.254.205]>
Message-ID: <817144f43d8c4b24c67113556333a992@mac.com>

Rich

Of course, if you just run your own personal Wiki tightly bound to 
localhost, running rhtml would not be as terrible an idea as it may 
sound in a multi-user configuration (to add to Assaph's point, if your 
server that ran Instiki with rhtml enabled sat behind a firewall, 
anyone with Ruby network programming experience could use it to poke 
around behind your firewall, connecting as the Instiki server).

I have not investigated, but if it were easily possible to enable rhtml 
in this manner for a personal Wiki, I'd still like to know how, 
consequences be damned.  Anyone?

Tam?s

On Oct 14, 2005, at 12:51 PM, Rich Morin wrote:

At 2:42 AM +1000 10/15/05, Assaph Mehr wrote:
> Is there a reason why allowing rhtml (perhaps as an option)
> would be a Bad Idea?
>
> It would be an extremely bad idea, as it will allow users ...

Point taken.  Obviously, I'm not paranoid enough!

-r
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From rot at granul.at  Mon Oct 17 03:51:21 2005
From: rot at granul.at (Roman Seidl)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 09:51:21 +0200
Subject: [Instiki] I2 or Instiki Rails Port
Message-ID: <20051017074911.M70217@granul.at>

Hello all,

i want to use a rails wiki and i wanted to know if i should rather use the i2
or the instiki rails port? are they the same? will they both exist in the future?

Anyway - i want to upload Files to the wiki too - is there any working patches
for i2/instiki for file uploads to work?

cheers
roman seild

--
granul.at


From shijialeee at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 17 12:43:38 2005
From: shijialeee at yahoo.com (James.Q.L)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 09:43:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Instiki] I2 or Instiki Rails Port
In-Reply-To: <20051017074911.M70217@granul.at>
Message-ID: <20051017164338.89158.qmail@web50408.mail.yahoo.com>



--- Roman Seidl <rot at granul.at> wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> i want to use a rails wiki and i wanted to know if i should rather use the i2
> or the instiki rails port? are they the same? will they both exist in the future?

base on the i2 readme:
"i2 runs of a database instead of Madeleine.
It's better suited for big, public wikis with lots of pages. But it requires more anual work to
set up."

if your usage of instiki is very small, then it is probably ok to choose instiki. but for a bigger
usage of instiki, I would pick i2 for the database feature. that's why wiki.rubyonrails converted
to i2 from instiki.
we runs a not-so-small instiki site and it needs reboot constantly. please see the old list
archive about the problem regarding cache and madeleine.

I am wondering if the i2 would be a replacement of instiki. as Alex mentioned, he was working on
the mysql feature for instiki.

either way, i hope it would be really easy to convert from instiki to i2. but looks like it's not
so base on the rubyonrails site. "The wiki is back ? running on i2 ? but the import from Instiki
wasn?t perfect." i am wondering what they are refering to.

James.



	
		
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From rdm at cfcl.com  Mon Oct 17 13:28:10 2005
From: rdm at cfcl.com (Rich Morin)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 10:28:10 -0700
Subject: [Instiki] I2 or Instiki Rails Port
In-Reply-To: <20051017164338.89158.qmail@web50408.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051017164338.89158.qmail@web50408.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p0623090ebf798f5b0ff0@[192.168.254.205]>

Is there a way to load Instiki wikis into Instiki-AR and/or i2?

-r
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From dubh at halfpie.net  Mon Oct 17 20:37:52 2005
From: dubh at halfpie.net (Alan Macdougall)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 13:37:52 +1300
Subject: [Instiki] I2 or Instiki Rails Port
In-Reply-To: <p0623090ebf798f5b0ff0@192.168.254.205>
References: <20051017164338.89158.qmail@web50408.mail.yahoo.com>
	<p0623090ebf798f5b0ff0@192.168.254.205>
Message-ID: <9323cd640510171737m4c63f222ja2d7571dc5683480@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/18/05, Rich Morin <rdm at cfcl.com> wrote:
>
> Is there a way to load Instiki wikis into Instiki-AR and/or i2?


Yes. I spent quite some time tinkering on both a couple weeks ago. [By way
of background, I'm a user, not a programmer...]

i2 has an import script, which traverses the exported textile files from
your old instiki install. However, as you may have seen with the Ruby On
Rails wiki, it's not quite ready for prime time yet: existing wikilinks get
broken (as i2 does not at all use CamelCase) and in my experience screwed up
links that had been created using [[ ]] syntax.

Meanwhile, instiki-ar has a somewhat nicer import script that runs over the
latest madeleine snapshot; the only problems I've had is that I seem to end
up with a whole lot of "orphanned" pages that aren't actually orphans.

I've managed to get both i2 and instiki-ar running on an Sqlite backend:
both seem to go quite well, just very slightly slower on my iBook than
instiki itself (n.b. there's a gotcha with Sqlite3 on MacOSX: you need to
get an install of SWIG (?) or use Sqlite2 - well documented on the RoR
wiki). Both run similarly on my WinXP box. I've also tried instiki-ar on
WinXP using a MySQL backend - it ran very smoothly there too. However, i2's
caching of pages means it runs like stink (i.e., very fast) on any page that
you've previously visited.

I don't know if both i2 and instiki-ar use the same schema (I should check).
Therefore at this stage I don't know how easy it would be to migrate from i2
to instiki-ar (or vice versa) if I committed to one over the other now.
There's lots of things I don't know about them - I'm a little uncertain to
commit to either until someone comes up with an agreed roadmap for instiki
that marks out the territory to be inhabited by the various forks. This is a
difficult issue. As my install of instiki is non-mission critical (a
personal wiki on a usb key) I can afford to wait until the dust clears.

cheers

Alan


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From alex at verk.info  Mon Oct 17 22:28:49 2005
From: alex at verk.info (Alexey Verkhovsky)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 20:28:49 -0600
Subject: [Instiki] I2 or Instiki Rails Port
In-Reply-To: <9323cd640510171737m4c63f222ja2d7571dc5683480@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20051017164338.89158.qmail@web50408.mail.yahoo.com>	<p0623090ebf798f5b0ff0@192.168.254.205>
	<9323cd640510171737m4c63f222ja2d7571dc5683480@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43545DE1.9060703@verk.info>

Alan Macdougall wrote:

> On 10/18/05, *Rich Morin* <rdm at cfcl.com <mailto:rdm at cfcl.com>> wrote:
>
>     Is there a way to load Instiki wikis into Instiki-AR and/or i2?
>
>
> Yes. I spent quite some time tinkering on both a couple weeks ago. [By 
> way of background, I'm a user, not a programmer...]
>
> i2 has an import script, which traverses the exported textile files 
> from your old instiki install. However, as you may have seen with the 
> Ruby On Rails wiki, it's not quite ready for prime time yet: existing 
> wikilinks get broken (as i2 does not at all use CamelCase) and in my 
> experience screwed up links that had been created using [[ ]] syntax.
>
> Meanwhile, instiki-ar has a somewhat nicer import script that runs 
> over the latest madeleine snapshot; the only problems I've had is that 
> I seem to end up with a whole lot of "orphanned" pages that aren't 
> actually orphans.
>
> I've managed to get both i2 and instiki-ar running on an Sqlite 
> backend: both seem to go quite well, just very slightly slower on my 
> iBook than instiki itself (n.b. there's a gotcha with Sqlite3 on 
> MacOSX: you need to get an install of SWIG (?) or use Sqlite2 - well 
> documented on the RoR wiki). Both run similarly on my WinXP box. I've 
> also tried instiki-ar on WinXP using a MySQL backend - it ran very 
> smoothly there too. However, i2's caching of pages means it runs like 
> stink ( i.e., very fast) on any page that you've previously visited. 
>
> I don't know if both i2 and instiki-ar use the same schema (I should 
> check). Therefore at this stage I don't know how easy it would be to 
> migrate from i2 to instiki-ar (or vice versa) if I committed to one 
> over the other now. There's lots of things I don't know about them - 
> I'm a little uncertain to commit to either until someone comes up with 
> an agreed roadmap for instiki that marks out the territory to be 
> inhabited by the various forks. This is a difficult issue. As my 
> install of instiki is non-mission critical (a personal wiki on a usb 
> key) I can afford to wait until the dust clears.

Few answers:

I2 is [currently] a small subset of Instiki features, and it is targeted 
at large public wikis (primarily, rubyonrails.org). So, some things will 
simply never be there. For example, the "No Step Three" installation 
process is not a goal for I2 at all.

Despite similar look and feel, I2 is not a fork, it's a rewrite from 
ground up. Instiki-AR, on the other hand, is the same feature set as 
Instiki 0.10.2, more or less. The database schemas are different.

Which one survives - who can say? The main problem with Instiki 
development now is that yours truly doesn't personally need it anymore. 
My current employer [much more enlightened than my previous one] has 
site license for Confluence. Moreover, I get work in Ruby on the job. 
It's not Ruby on Rails yet, but we are working in that direction, too :) 
This is the main reason why I2 will probably grow much faster than 
Instiki in the near future.

By the way, if someone wants to move Instiki forward much faster than 
yours truly (it is quite certainly possible!), please email me. We can 
work something out.

On a more practical note:
To get rid of orphan pages after the import, you should run 
script/reset_references. This takes care of all the alleged orpahns that 
aren't. :)

On the performaqnce front, Instiki caches pre-rendered pages, too.

Hope this clears things up a bit.

Best regards,
Alexey Verkhovsky


From alex at verk.info  Fri Oct 21 07:37:38 2005
From: alex at verk.info (Alexey Verkhovsky)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 05:37:38 -0600
Subject: [Instiki] Need feedback on Instiki-AR beta
Message-ID: <4358D302.3050506@verk.info>

Hi all,

As I haven't had a lot of bug reports for Instiki-AR, this could mean 
one of the two things. Either nobody is using it, or some people are, 
and have no problems at all. I'd like to know which option is it.
So, if you are using Instiki-AR, or have tried and found it totally 
unusable, please tell me about your experience.

Best regards,
Alexey Verkhovsky



From james at hillyerd.com  Fri Oct 21 12:12:23 2005
From: james at hillyerd.com (James Hillyerd)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 09:12:23 -0700
Subject: [Instiki] Need feedback on Instiki-AR beta
In-Reply-To: <4358D302.3050506@verk.info>
References: <4358D302.3050506@verk.info>
Message-ID: <254841be0510210912m2248ba53y90c804549787b2c6@mail.gmail.com>

I'm using beta1, but on a site that gets virtually no traffic. The main
problem I had with it is the caching is too agressive. If I add a link to
non-existant page Y to page X, X's link to Y will continue to show a ? even
after Y has been created, etc.

-james

On 10/21/05, Alexey Verkhovsky <alex at verk.info> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> As I haven't had a lot of bug reports for Instiki-AR, this could mean
> one of the two things. Either nobody is using it, or some people are,
> and have no problems at all. I'd like to know which option is it.
> So, if you are using Instiki-AR, or have tried and found it totally
> unusable, please tell me about your experience.
>
> Best regards,
> Alexey Verkhovsky
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Instiki-users mailing list
> Instiki-users at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/instiki-users
>



--
James A. Hillyerd <james at hillyerd.com>
Chief Technical Officer - ActiveRain Corp
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From deasach at gmail.com  Fri Oct 21 20:17:24 2005
From: deasach at gmail.com (Alan Macdougall)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 13:17:24 +1300
Subject: [Instiki] Need feedback on Instiki-AR beta
In-Reply-To: <4358D302.3050506@verk.info>
References: <4358D302.3050506@verk.info>
Message-ID: <9323cd640510211717q10b5d0a8oab783142e33fa134@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/22/05, Alexey Verkhovsky <alex at verk.info> wrote:
> So, if you are using Instiki-AR, or have tried and found it totally
> unusable, please tell me about your experience.

Alexey:

I'm not using it in production (yet) but the only problems I had were
related to the conversion.

I tried importing from an old Madeleine snapshot, and got an error as follows:

[iBook:~/Desktop/wikistuff/instiki-ar] alan% ruby
script/import_storage -t ~/Desktop/wikistuff/instiki/storage/2501 -i
~/Desktop/iandi/instiki -o ~/Desktop/wikistuff/instiki-ar/i.sql -d
sqlite
/Users/alan/Desktop/wikistuff/instiki/app/models/chunks/engines.rb:3:in
`require': No such file to load -- redcloth (LoadError)
        from /Users/alan/Desktop/wikistuff/instiki/app/models/chunks/engines.rb:3
        from /Users/alan/Desktop/wikistuff/instiki/app/models/wiki_content.rb:2:in
`require'
        from /Users/alan/Desktop/wikistuff/instiki/app/models/wiki_content.rb:2
        from /Users/alan/Desktop/wikistuff/instiki/app/models/revision.rb:2:in
`require'
        from /Users/alan/Desktop/wikistuff/instiki/app/models/revision.rb:2
        from /Users/alan/Desktop/wikistuff/instiki/app/models/page.rb:3:in
`require'
        from /Users/alan/Desktop/wikistuff/instiki/app/models/page.rb:3
        from /Users/alan/Desktop/wikistuff/instiki/app/models/web.rb:2:in
`require'
        from /Users/alan/Desktop/wikistuff/instiki/app/models/web.rb:2
        from /Users/alan/Desktop/wikistuff/instiki/app/models/wiki_service.rb:7:in
`require'
        from /Users/alan/Desktop/wikistuff/instiki/app/models/wiki_service.rb:7
        from script/import_storage:96:in `require'
        from script/import_storage:96

I eventually figured out what it was looking for... and by doing more
or less the following

copy /Users/alan/Desktop/wikistuff/instiki/lib/redcloth_for_tex.rb to
/Users/alan/Desktop/wikistuff/instiki/lib/redcloth.rb

That fixed seemed to fix that problem. Maybe the name of that file has
changed at some point... According to the changelog with my Instiki
install I've got version 10.2.

The only other thing was the "orphanned pages" problem, which you have
previously outlined the fix for.

The only reason I'm not switching to instiki-ar at the moment is the
error I get (probably relating to cookie handling) when I try to run
two Rails apps (in this case Instiki-ar and Tracks) on the same host
(localhost) at the same time.

thanks

Alan

--
                B?onn caora dhubh ar an tr?ad is gile.
          (There are black sheep in the brightest flocks.)

                       <http://halfpie.net/>


From ldk2005 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 25 09:53:26 2005
From: ldk2005 at gmail.com (Larry Kelly)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 06:53:26 -0700
Subject: [Instiki] How to access a new web?
Message-ID: <871b07a70510250653u6e79b9edg6c5d3216c860dbb5@mail.gmail.com>

I've started Instiki, clicked on 'edit web', then 'create web'. Entered a
unique Title and Address, set the password and clicked on create. I'm taken
back to my original web. How to I access the new one that was just created?
I've tried 'http://localhost:2500/new_web_name.


Thanks in advance.


--
Best Regards,
-Larry
"Work, work, work...there is no satisfactory alternative."
--- E.Taft Benson
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From ldk2005 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 25 09:54:58 2005
From: ldk2005 at gmail.com (Larry Kelly)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 06:54:58 -0700
Subject: [Instiki] Running instiki on a hosted server (Apache)
Message-ID: <871b07a70510250654r2825c548oec765745d61fa6ab@mail.gmail.com>

How would I put Instiki on my hosted domain? Or, is that not possible?

--
Best Regards,
-Larry
"Work, work, work...there is no satisfactory alternative."
--- E.Taft Benson
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From bkr.nair at gmail.com  Tue Oct 25 12:29:25 2005
From: bkr.nair at gmail.com (BKR)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 21:59:25 +0530
Subject: [Instiki] How to access a new web?
In-Reply-To: <871b07a70510250653u6e79b9edg6c5d3216c860dbb5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <871b07a70510250653u6e79b9edg6c5d3216c860dbb5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2b1774520510250929i6ed344et@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not sure if its working yet, I can't access any other webs either.
I guess its a work in progress :)

On 25/10/05, Larry Kelly <ldk2005 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I've started Instiki, clicked on 'edit web', then 'create web'.  Entered a
> unique Title and Address, set the password and clicked on create.  I'm taken
> back to my original web.  How to I access the new one that was just created?
>  I've tried  'http://localhost:2500/new_web_name.
>
>
>  Thanks in advance.
>
>
> --
> Best Regards,
> -Larry
> "Work, work, work...there is no satisfactory alternative."
>             --- E.Taft Benson
> _______________________________________________
> Instiki-users mailing list
> Instiki-users at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/instiki-users
>
>
>


From bkr.nair at gmail.com  Tue Oct 25 12:35:50 2005
From: bkr.nair at gmail.com (BKR)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 22:05:50 +0530
Subject: [Instiki] Running instiki on a hosted server (Apache)
In-Reply-To: <871b07a70510250654r2825c548oec765745d61fa6ab@mail.gmail.com>
References: <871b07a70510250654r2825c548oec765745d61fa6ab@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2b1774520510250935x7e72b807v@mail.gmail.com>

Its in the works as of now i think. Instiki-AR Beta1 its called and is
a normal rails application, so u probably 'd be able to run it under 
Apache/FCGI, mind u, it didnt work for me.

check out the announcement here:
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.ruby/browse_frm/thread/b860ae9f81e9919c/9125c121276ddebb?q=instiki]&rnum=5#9125c121276ddebb

On 25/10/05, Larry Kelly <ldk2005 at gmail.com> wrote:
> How would I put Instiki on my hosted domain?  Or, is that not possible?
>
> --
> Best Regards,
> -Larry
> "Work, work, work...there is no satisfactory alternative."
>             --- E.Taft Benson
> _______________________________________________
> Instiki-users mailing list
> Instiki-users at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/instiki-users
>
>
>


From deasach at gmail.com  Tue Oct 25 15:14:04 2005
From: deasach at gmail.com (Alan Macdougall)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:14:04 +1300
Subject: [Instiki] How to access a new web?
In-Reply-To: <871b07a70510250653u6e79b9edg6c5d3216c860dbb5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <871b07a70510250653u6e79b9edg6c5d3216c860dbb5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9323cd640510251214w39baa2edwb62d8350af9768bb@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/26/05, Larry Kelly <ldk2005 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I've started Instiki, clicked on 'edit web', then 'create web'. Entered a
> unique Title and Address, set the password and clicked on create. I'm taken
> back to my original web. How to I access the new one that was just created?
> I've tried 'http://localhost:2500/new_web_name.


It should just work. Unless you've entered the wrong password maybe.

Perhaps you could try:

http://localhost:2500/web_list/

To see a list of all created webs...?

Alan
--
B?onn caora dhubh ar an tr?ad is gile.
(There are black sheep in the brightest flocks.)

<http://halfpie.net/>
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From curtis at radsoft.com  Tue Oct 25 16:05:30 2005
From: curtis at radsoft.com (Curtis Cooley)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 13:05:30 -0700
Subject: [Instiki] How to access a new web?
In-Reply-To: <9323cd640510251214w39baa2edwb62d8350af9768bb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <871b07a70510250653u6e79b9edg6c5d3216c860dbb5@mail.gmail.com>
	<9323cd640510251214w39baa2edwb62d8350af9768bb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <435E900A.9060403@radsoft.com>

Alan Macdougall wrote:

> On 10/26/05, *Larry Kelly* <ldk2005 at gmail.com
> <mailto:ldk2005 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     I've started Instiki, clicked on 'edit web', then 'create web'. 
>     Entered a unique Title and Address, set the password and clicked
>     on create.  I'm taken back to my original web.  How to I access
>     the new one that was just created?  I've tried 
>     'http://localhost:2500/new_web_name.  
>
>
> It should just work. Unless you've entered the wrong password maybe.
>
> Perhaps you could try:
>
> http://localhost:2500/web_list/
>
> To see a list of all created webs...?
>
Could it be a browser refresh/cache problem?

Curtis
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From assaph at gmail.com  Tue Oct 25 19:59:32 2005
From: assaph at gmail.com (Assaph Mehr)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:59:32 +1000
Subject: [Instiki] How to access a new web?
In-Reply-To: <871b07a70510250653u6e79b9edg6c5d3216c860dbb5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <871b07a70510250653u6e79b9edg6c5d3216c860dbb5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3ff47be90510251659k100222c5i43ffb4d99f5fa037@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Larry,

On 10/25/05, Larry Kelly <ldk2005 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I've started Instiki, clicked on 'edit web', then 'create web'.  Entered a
> unique Title and Address, set the password and clicked on create.  I'm taken
> back to my original web.  How to I access the new one that was just created?
>  I've tried  'http://localhost:2500/new_web_name.

Note that the password that you need to enter is the system password
(that you've entered when you first launched Instiki). This is not the
edit password for this web (you can later set it in the edit_web page
for the new web).

HTH,
Assaph


From bkr.nair at gmail.com  Wed Oct 26 05:49:52 2005
From: bkr.nair at gmail.com (BKR)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 15:19:52 +0530
Subject: [Instiki] How to access a new web?
In-Reply-To: <3ff47be90510251659k100222c5i43ffb4d99f5fa037@mail.gmail.com>
References: <871b07a70510250653u6e79b9edg6c5d3216c860dbb5@mail.gmail.com>
	<3ff47be90510251659k100222c5i43ffb4d99f5fa037@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2b1774520510260249n3bd79ff5i@mail.gmail.com>

that worked, i had diff passwords for system and current web i think,
anyways i created a new web called testweb and entered system
password, now i can access it through http://localhost:2500/web_list/
and http://localhost:2500/testweb/.

The createweb did'nt give an error when i entered a wrong password, it
just went back to the front page. this is bad behaviour, I'd like to
file a bug about about this.

On 26/10/05, Assaph Mehr <assaph at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Larry,
>
> On 10/25/05, Larry Kelly <ldk2005 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I've started Instiki, clicked on 'edit web', then 'create web'.  Entered a
> > unique Title and Address, set the password and clicked on create.  I'm taken
> > back to my original web.  How to I access the new one that was just created?
> >  I've tried  'http://localhost:2500/new_web_name.
>
> Note that the password that you need to enter is the system password
> (that you've entered when you first launched Instiki). This is not the
> edit password for this web (you can later set it in the edit_web page
> for the new web).
>
> HTH,
> Assaph
>
> _______________________________________________
> Instiki-users mailing list
> Instiki-users at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/instiki-users
>


From jens.himmelreich at gmail.com  Wed Oct 26 08:07:27 2005
From: jens.himmelreich at gmail.com (Jens Himmelreich)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:07:27 +0200
Subject: [Instiki] Themes
Message-ID: <378718b60510260507k2047be12o@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I'm new on the list.
I use instiki as a personal notepad.
I tried WriteBoard and was impressed
by its simple and beautiful design. I think
the underlying text-engine ist the same as
the default-instiki engine. So I searched for
themes - the css-plugin - for instiki and can't
find some. Is there a instiki-theme-repository?
Is there a WriteBoard-Theme for instiki?

ciao
jens

(PS: I know, my english is german grammar with
     -orthographical incorrect - english words.)


From derek at derekgulbranson.com  Wed Oct 26 13:48:34 2005
From: derek at derekgulbranson.com (Derek Gulbranson)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:48:34 -0700
Subject: [Instiki] Need feedback on Instiki-AR beta
In-Reply-To: <4358D302.3050506@verk.info>
References: <4358D302.3050506@verk.info>
Message-ID: <157C482D-C267-43F0-B289-D1F76802813C@derekgulbranson.com>

I lead a very busy life and haven't had time to try it yet. I would  
like to soon though.

On Oct 21, 2005, at 4:37 AM, Alexey Verkhovsky wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> As I haven't had a lot of bug reports for Instiki-AR, this could mean
> one of the two things. Either nobody is using it, or some people are,
> and have no problems at all. I'd like to know which option is it.
> So, if you are using Instiki-AR, or have tried and found it totally
> unusable, please tell me about your experience.
>
> Best regards,
> Alexey Verkhovsky


From derek at derekgulbranson.com  Wed Oct 26 13:54:21 2005
From: derek at derekgulbranson.com (Derek Gulbranson)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:54:21 -0700
Subject: [Instiki] Themes
In-Reply-To: <378718b60510260507k2047be12o@mail.gmail.com>
References: <378718b60510260507k2047be12o@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5A4E0955-6750-4A3A-A78A-E53376923AEA@derekgulbranson.com>

There are no themes for Instiki. If you want to adjust the design,  
take a look at app/view/layouts/default.rhtml.  It's basically just  
plain old HTML with some Ruby mixed in. If you're familiar with HTML  
you should be able to completely change the look of your Instiki  
using mostly just that file.

-Derek

On Oct 26, 2005, at 5:07 AM, Jens Himmelreich wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm new on the list.
> I use instiki as a personal notepad.
> I tried WriteBoard and was impressed
> by its simple and beautiful design. I think
> the underlying text-engine ist the same as
> the default-instiki engine. So I searched for
> themes - the css-plugin - for instiki and can't
> find some. Is there a instiki-theme-repository?
> Is there a WriteBoard-Theme for instiki?
>
> ciao
> jens
>
> (PS: I know, my english is german grammar with
>      -orthographical incorrect - english words.)


From jens.himmelreich at gmail.com  Wed Oct 26 14:08:04 2005
From: jens.himmelreich at gmail.com (Jens Himmelreich)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 20:08:04 +0200
Subject: [Instiki] Themes
In-Reply-To: <5A4E0955-6750-4A3A-A78A-E53376923AEA@derekgulbranson.com>
References: <378718b60510260507k2047be12o@mail.gmail.com>
	<5A4E0955-6750-4A3A-A78A-E53376923AEA@derekgulbranson.com>
Message-ID: <378718b60510261108p2409ddees@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Derek,

I think there is another possibility.
The CSS-Plugin-Hook on the admin-page of instiki.
WriteBoard is no exotic HTML, it's just very fine CSS.
And so my question, are there same css-samples,
themes for instiki?


ciao
jens

2005/10/26, Derek Gulbranson <derek at derekgulbranson.com>:
> There are no themes for Instiki. If you want to adjust the design,
> take a look at app/view/layouts/default.rhtml.  It's basically just
> plain old HTML with some Ruby mixed in. If you're familiar with HTML
> you should be able to completely change the look of your Instiki
> using mostly just that file.
>
> -Derek
>
> On Oct 26, 2005, at 5:07 AM, Jens Himmelreich wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm new on the list.
> > I use instiki as a personal notepad.
> > I tried WriteBoard and was impressed
> > by its simple and beautiful design. I think
> > the underlying text-engine ist the same as
> > the default-instiki engine. So I searched for
> > themes - the css-plugin - for instiki and can't
> > find some. Is there a instiki-theme-repository?
> > Is there a WriteBoard-Theme for instiki?
> >
> > ciao
> > jens
> >
> > (PS: I know, my english is german grammar with
> >      -orthographical incorrect - english words.)
>
> _______________________________________________
> Instiki-users mailing list
> Instiki-users at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/instiki-users
>


From derek at derekgulbranson.com  Wed Oct 26 15:05:30 2005
From: derek at derekgulbranson.com (Derek Gulbranson)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:05:30 -0700
Subject: [Instiki] Themes
In-Reply-To: <378718b60510261108p2409ddees@mail.gmail.com>
References: <378718b60510260507k2047be12o@mail.gmail.com>
	<5A4E0955-6750-4A3A-A78A-E53376923AEA@derekgulbranson.com>
	<378718b60510261108p2409ddees@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <77020F84-BC0C-4F9A-8AB2-461F773473B1@derekgulbranson.com>

Not that I know of, but that's a good idea.

On Oct 26, 2005, at 11:08 AM, Jens Himmelreich wrote:

> Hi Derek,
>
> I think there is another possibility.
> The CSS-Plugin-Hook on the admin-page of instiki.
> WriteBoard is no exotic HTML, it's just very fine CSS.
> And so my question, are there same css-samples,
> themes for instiki?
>
>
> ciao
> jens
>
> 2005/10/26, Derek Gulbranson <derek at derekgulbranson.com>:
>
>> There are no themes for Instiki. If you want to adjust the design,
>> take a look at app/view/layouts/default.rhtml.  It's basically just
>> plain old HTML with some Ruby mixed in. If you're familiar with HTML
>> you should be able to completely change the look of your Instiki
>> using mostly just that file.
>>
>> -Derek
>>
>> On Oct 26, 2005, at 5:07 AM, Jens Himmelreich wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm new on the list.
>>> I use instiki as a personal notepad.
>>> I tried WriteBoard and was impressed
>>> by its simple and beautiful design. I think
>>> the underlying text-engine ist the same as
>>> the default-instiki engine. So I searched for
>>> themes - the css-plugin - for instiki and can't
>>> find some. Is there a instiki-theme-repository?
>>> Is there a WriteBoard-Theme for instiki?
>>>
>>> ciao
>>> jens
>>>
>>> (PS: I know, my english is german grammar with
>>>      -orthographical incorrect - english words.)
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Instiki-users mailing list
>> Instiki-users at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/instiki-users
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Instiki-users mailing list
> Instiki-users at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/instiki-users
>


From assaph at gmail.com  Wed Oct 26 18:58:46 2005
From: assaph at gmail.com (Assaph Mehr)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 08:58:46 +1000
Subject: [Instiki] Themes
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	<5A4E0955-6750-4A3A-A78A-E53376923AEA@derekgulbranson.com>
	<378718b60510261108p2409ddees@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Jens

> I think there is another possibility.
> The CSS-Plugin-Hook on the admin-page of instiki.
> WriteBoard is no exotic HTML, it's just very fine CSS.
> And so my question, are there same css-samples,
> themes for instiki?

There is no plugin functionality for instiki, but if you want to
change the layout you have two options:

* On the edit_web page there is a "Tweak the stylesheet" area where
you can add CSS elements. They will take precedence over the default
ones.

* As Derek said, you can edit both the default.rhtml template and the
instiki.css file located under
<instiki-install-dir>/public/stylesheets. The default.rhtml layout
includes a reference link to the stylesheet, so you can just replace
that without replacing the instiki.css file itself.

HTH,
Assaph

<shameless plug>Look at Pimki2 - I have added multiple stylesheet
choices there. And if you can improve on my crummy CSS-fu it will be
most welcome :-)</shameless plug>


From karl-konig.konigsson at micronic.se  Thu Oct 27 09:30:23 2005
From: karl-konig.konigsson at micronic.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Karl-K=F6nig_K=F6nigsson?=)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 15:30:23 +0200
Subject: [Instiki] Instiki-AR beta problems
Message-ID: <794FFE525A416E459B73E51DF9A927A6476D11@mailserver01.miclaser.net>

Hi all,

This is probably the closes to a "I'm a moron"-letter I have ever written but here goes...

I have played with Ruby on Rails for a while and quite liked it and was very thrilled when I stumbled across Instiki. So, I downloaded it, read the README file and did as I was told:

Step 1 -- done
Step 2 -- results in this:

C:\tmp\instiki-ar>ruby instiki.rb
./script/../config/environment.rb:68:in `initialize': No such file or directory - C:/tmp/instiki-ar/config/database.yml (Errno::ENOENT)
        from ./script/../config/environment.rb:68:in `open'
        from ./script/../config/environment.rb:68
        from c:/ruby/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:18:in `require__'
        from c:/ruby/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:18:in `require'
        from ./script/server:42
        from instiki.rb:3:in `load'
        from instiki.rb:3

I have noticed that there is no "database.yml" as usually is the case (and that is what I understand the above error message is complaining about) but a "database.default.yml" instead.

I then tried to rename this one to "database.yml" but to no avail. The server starts allright but when I go to "http://localhost:2500" I get a  "MissingSourceFile in Wiki#index" error, with the following details:

No such file to load -- sqlite3

/app/models/wiki.rb:82:in `setup?'
/app/controllers/wiki_controller.rb:17:in `index'
./script/server:49
instiki.rb:3:in `load'
instiki.rb:3

OK, so this makes sense since I don't have sqlite but I just can not get any further. I have tried to download sqlite but I have not managed to install it; I tried to switch database to MySQL but I can not get the schema right.


So, I'm stuck, to be frank. Furthermore I have not a clue as to what to do. It seems to me that there are a number of steps missing between Step 2. Run "instiki", and Step 3. Chuckle... "There's no step three!" (TM)

I can accept that I am an idiot but please tell me what I am doing wrong. This is bugging me and I _really_ want to try out Instiki -- it seems way cool to me.


Cheers,


	Karl-Koenig Koenigsson

--
Karl-Koenig Koenigsson
SCM Micronic Laser Systems AB
"Video meliora proboque deteriora sequor"



From stuglaser at gmail.com  Thu Oct 27 10:44:34 2005
From: stuglaser at gmail.com (Stu Glaser)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 09:44:34 -0500
Subject: [Instiki] Instiki-AR beta problems
In-Reply-To: <794FFE525A416E459B73E51DF9A927A6476D11@mailserver01.miclaser.net>
References: <794FFE525A416E459B73E51DF9A927A6476D11@mailserver01.miclaser.net>
Message-ID: <4360E7D2.1020107@gmail.com>

Hi Karl-Koenig,

Same thing happened to me.  It seems that the "there is no step 3" 
mantra has been put on hold until further notice.  Instiki-AR is beta 
software, so that's not too surprising.

I copied database.default.yml to database.yml.  I then installed sqlite. 
  Then, I ran script/create_db.  Then, everything Just Worked.

Check out Alexey's email here: 
http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/instiki-users/2005-September/000302.html
It contains instructions for setting up Instiki-AR to use MySQL.

Enjoy!
-Stu Glaser

Karl-K?nig K?nigsson wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> This is probably the closes to a "I'm a moron"-letter I have ever written but here goes...
> 
> I have played with Ruby on Rails for a while and quite liked it and was very thrilled when I stumbled across Instiki. So, I downloaded it, read the README file and did as I was told:
> 
> Step 1 -- done
> Step 2 -- results in this:
> 
> C:\tmp\instiki-ar>ruby instiki.rb
> ./script/../config/environment.rb:68:in `initialize': No such file or directory - C:/tmp/instiki-ar/config/database.yml (Errno::ENOENT)
>         from ./script/../config/environment.rb:68:in `open'
>         from ./script/../config/environment.rb:68
>         from c:/ruby/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:18:in `require__'
>         from c:/ruby/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:18:in `require'
>         from ./script/server:42
>         from instiki.rb:3:in `load'
>         from instiki.rb:3
> 
> I have noticed that there is no "database.yml" as usually is the case (and that is what I understand the above error message is complaining about) but a "database.default.yml" instead.
> 
> I then tried to rename this one to "database.yml" but to no avail. The server starts allright but when I go to "http://localhost:2500" I get a  "MissingSourceFile in Wiki#index" error, with the following details:
> 
> No such file to load -- sqlite3
> 
> /app/models/wiki.rb:82:in `setup?'
> /app/controllers/wiki_controller.rb:17:in `index'
> ./script/server:49
> instiki.rb:3:in `load'
> instiki.rb:3
> 
> OK, so this makes sense since I don't have sqlite but I just can not get any further. I have tried to download sqlite but I have not managed to install it; I tried to switch database to MySQL but I can not get the schema right.
> 
> 
> So, I'm stuck, to be frank. Furthermore I have not a clue as to what to do. It seems to me that there are a number of steps missing between Step 2. Run "instiki", and Step 3. Chuckle... "There's no step three!" (TM)
> 
> I can accept that I am an idiot but please tell me what I am doing wrong. This is bugging me and I _really_ want to try out Instiki -- it seems way cool to me.
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 
> 	Karl-Koenig Koenigsson
> 
> --
> Karl-Koenig Koenigsson
> SCM Micronic Laser Systems AB
> "Video meliora proboque deteriora sequor"
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Instiki-users mailing list
> Instiki-users at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/instiki-users
> 


From alex at verk.info  Thu Oct 27 22:18:59 2005
From: alex at verk.info (Alexey Verkhovsky)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 20:18:59 -0600
Subject: [Instiki] Instiki-AR beta problems
In-Reply-To: <4360E7D2.1020107@gmail.com>
References: <794FFE525A416E459B73E51DF9A927A6476D11@mailserver01.miclaser.net>
	<4360E7D2.1020107@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43618A93.80105@verk.info>

Stu Glaser wrote:

>Same thing happened to me.  It seems that the "there is no step 3" 
>mantra has been put on hold until further notice.
>
Indeed, Instiki-AR is not shrink-wrapped for No Step Three installation 
yet. It's on a todo list. Meantime, you have to deploy it as a normal 
Rails application.

Alex





From rot at granul.at  Fri Oct 28 07:01:40 2005
From: rot at granul.at (Roman Seidl)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:01:40 +0200
Subject: [Instiki] delay in prototype.js ajax calls?
Message-ID: <1016286130.20051028130140@granul.at>

Hello instiki users,

  I am using i2 as a wiki and i added some live preview to the wiki
  editor. The only Problem with live preview is that if i type fast in
  the editor it fires lots of http posts.

  You can have a look at the editor under:
  http://p2.granul.at/wiki/pages/Sandbox

  So i thought if there would be a possibility to delay the ajax call.
  I know how to delay a javascript call so that only the last call
  within a time interval gets called. But it seems awfully complicated
  to me to apply this to the prototype library.

  Example for a page doing a delay (opens a popup on the last click
  within one second):
  ---------
<html>
<head>
<script language="javascript">
var onceafter_requests=0;

function onceafter(time)
{
  onceafter_requests++;
  debug(onceafter_requests);
  setTimeout("trytodo()",time);
} 

function trytodo()
{
  onceafter_requests--;
  debug("-"+onceafter_requests);
  if(onceafter_requests == 0) alert("now!");
}
function debug(str)
{
  var dbgObj = document.getElementById("dbg");
  dbgObj.innerHTML = (dbgObj.innerHTML + str + "<br>");
}
</script>
</head>
<body>
<form>
<input type="button" value="Push this button to open an alert box for the last click within 1 second" onClick="onceafter(1000);">
</form>
<div id="dbg"></div>
</body>
</html>
-----

Anyone got an idea if this pattern could be applied to the prototype
ajax library and how?

cheers
roman seidl

P.S.: If someone wants to see this editor in i2 i can send a patch or
so. I? am actually working on combining i2 and collaboa and so my
pathces to i2 go far beyond the editor.


From bkr.nair at gmail.com  Sun Oct 30 11:05:25 2005
From: bkr.nair at gmail.com (BKR)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 21:35:25 +0530
Subject: [Instiki] Instiki-AR beta problems
In-Reply-To: <794FFE525A416E459B73E51DF9A927A6476D11@mailserver01.miclaser.net>
References: <794FFE525A416E459B73E51DF9A927A6476D11@mailserver01.miclaser.net>
Message-ID: <2b1774520510300805v59838c20n@mail.gmail.com>

hi,

 > So, I'm stuck, to be frank. Furthermore I have not a clue as to
what to do. It seems to me that there are a number of steps missing
between Step 2. Run "instiki", and Step 3. Chuckle... "There's no step
three!" (TM)
>
> I can accept that I am an idiot but please tell me what I am doing wrong. This is bugging me and I _really_ want to try out Instiki -- it seems way cool to me.

Instiki is really way2cool (TM) :).
AR-beta is just that, a beta. I suggest you try instiki 0.10.2 as its
pretty stable. It has a windows, osx and linux versions and its pretty
easy to get going. I installed my copy using ruby gems package
manager.

gem install instiki -r

did the trick for me on windows with activestate ruby. It
automatically installs all the deps. hope this helps.

BKR


From bkr.nair at gmail.com  Sun Oct 30 11:12:33 2005
From: bkr.nair at gmail.com (BKR)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 21:42:33 +0530
Subject: [Instiki] delay in prototype.js ajax calls?
In-Reply-To: <1016286130.20051028130140@granul.at>
References: <1016286130.20051028130140@granul.at>
Message-ID: <2b1774520510300812x6e7e702ax@mail.gmail.com>

hi,
Nice effort, have you had a chance to test this under differentbrowsers? Instiki runs under mac and linux as well. i had a chance totest it under IE and firefox. it works well, but opera seems to begiving me trouble. It keeps throwing up javascript errors.
Is there any chance this can be included in the next Instiki-Beta?
tyBKR
On 28/10/05, Roman Seidl <rot at granul.at> wrote:> Hello instiki users,>>   I am using i2 as a wiki and i added some live preview to the wiki>   editor. The only Problem with live preview is that if i type fast in>   the editor it fires lots of http posts.>>   You can have a look at the editor under:>   http://p2.granul.at/wiki/pages/Sandbox>>   So i thought if there would be a possibility to delay the ajax call.>   I know how to delay a javascript call so that only the last call>   within a time interval gets called. But it seems awfully complicated>   to me to apply this to the prototype library.>>   Example for a page doing a delay (opens a popup on the last click>   within one second):>   ---------> <html>> <head>> <script language="javascript">> var onceafter_requests=0;>> function onceafter(time)> {>   onceafter_requests++;>   debug(onceafter_requests);>   setTimeout("trytodo()",time);> }>> function trytodo()> {>   onceafter_requests--;>   debug("-"+onceafter_requests);>   if(onceafter_requests == 0) alert("now!");> }> function debug(str)> {>   var dbgObj = document.getElementById("dbg");>   dbgObj.innerHTML = (dbgObj.innerHTML + str + "<br>");> }> </script>> </head>> <body>> <form>> <input type="button" value="Push this button to open an alert box for the last click within 1 second" onClick="onceafter(1000);">> </form>> <div id="dbg"></div>> </body>> </html>> ----->> Anyone got an idea if this pattern could be applied to the prototype> ajax library and how?>> cheers> roman seidl>> P.S.: If someone wants to see this editor in i2 i can send a patch or> so. I? am actually working on combining i2 and collaboa and so my> pathces to i2 go far beyond the editor.>> _______________________________________________> Instiki-users mailing list> Instiki-users at rubyforge.org> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/instiki-users>

From jens.himmelreich at gmail.com  Mon Oct 31 02:48:55 2005
From: jens.himmelreich at gmail.com (Jens Himmelreich)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 08:48:55 +0100
Subject: [Instiki] Themes
In-Reply-To: <3ff47be90510261558s490793a5td26d972deb254d44@mail.gmail.com>
References: <378718b60510260507k2047be12o@mail.gmail.com>
	<5A4E0955-6750-4A3A-A78A-E53376923AEA@derekgulbranson.com>
	<378718b60510261108p2409ddees@mail.gmail.com>
	<3ff47be90510261558s490793a5td26d972deb254d44@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <378718b60510302348r46b98632g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Assaph

Oh Dear - my english.

> There is no plugin functionality for instiki, but if you want to
> change the layout you have two options:

Plugin must be the wrong word.

> * On the edit_web page there is a "Tweak the stylesheet" area where
> you can add CSS elements. They will take precedence over the default
> ones.

I mean just this!

> <shameless plug>Look at Pimki2 - I have added multiple stylesheet
> choices there. And if you can improve on my crummy CSS-fu it will be
> most welcome :-)</shameless plug>

Could you put them in the instiki-wiki at:
  http://instiki.org
?


ciao
jens


From assaph at gmail.com  Mon Oct 31 04:51:45 2005
From: assaph at gmail.com (Assaph Mehr)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 20:51:45 +1100
Subject: [Instiki] delay in prototype.js ajax calls?
In-Reply-To: <1016286130.20051028130140@granul.at>
References: <1016286130.20051028130140@granul.at>
Message-ID: <3ff47be90510310151x703dc4b7n69e72576ab1c36f9@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Roman,

>   I am using i2 as a wiki and i added some live preview to the wiki
>   editor. The only Problem with live preview is that if i type fast in
>   the editor it fires lots of http posts.

I know little javascript, but take a look at the rails documentation
for "observe_field",
http://api.rubyonrails.com/classes/ActionView/Helpers/JavaScriptHelper.html#M000424

HTH,
Assaph