From BArmstrong at dymaxion.ca  Thu Nov  3 11:01:24 2005
From: BArmstrong at dymaxion.ca (BG - Ben Armstrong)
Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 12:01:24 -0400
Subject: [Instiki] Instiki, Instiki-AR, i2 ???
In-Reply-To: <78870765-CBA9-46CC-986B-9E37A761529F@loudthinking.com>
References: <p06230902bf69b830dd35@[192.168.254.205]>
	<78870765-CBA9-46CC-986B-9E37A761529F@loudthinking.com>
Message-ID: <1131033684.13408.46.camel@bgpc.dymaxion.ca>

On Wed, 2005-10-05 at 12:01 -0700, david at loudthinking.com (David Heinemeier Hansson) wrote:
> I'm thinking there are two different tracks. The original vision for  
> Instiki was personal/group wikis where you don't have all those  
> problems like big wikis do (like spam, etc), but on the other hand  
> you want zero setup time.
> 
> I made the mistake of using Instiki, which is meant for the personal  
> wiki, on big public sites like the Rails wiki. That's just a bad fit.  
> So I see i2/Instiki-AR as a different track.

Ours is neither a personal wiki, nor a big public site like the Rails
wiki.  Instead, it is to be an internal wiki for our company.  As such,
it will start out small, but could grow to be quite large if it catches
on.  We're thinking we will eventually need i2 or Instiki-AR, but with
such uncertainty about the future of these projects, it seems it is best
to stick with Instiki until we see which one succeeds.

We're assuming the Instiki project is going to make it easy for us to
make the switch when the time comes.  How would you migrate from Instiki
to one of these forks today, and is it likely to be very much the same
procedure when the time comes to switch?

Regards,
Ben Armstrong


From archier at gmail.com  Thu Nov  3 14:20:16 2005
From: archier at gmail.com (archier)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 11:20:16 -0800
Subject: [Instiki] instiki installation problem
Message-ID: <69281cb10511031120x69287ef7ka93b2115b92c38b@mail.gmail.com>

I downloaded ruby, and did a "make". it worked successfully, but I'm not a
"super user" so I can't run "make install".

I then downloaded instiki and tried to start it up, and got the following
error message:

[russella at bluto]% ../ruby-1.8.3/ruby instiki
./script/server:3:in `require': no such file to load -- webrick (LoadError)
from ./script/server:3
from instiki:6
[russella at bluto]%

Any idea what I should do?

Thanks,
Archie
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From andy at preloaded.com  Thu Nov  3 14:23:33 2005
From: andy at preloaded.com (Andy Beaumont)
Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 19:23:33 +0000
Subject: [Instiki] instiki installation problem
In-Reply-To: <69281cb10511031120x69287ef7ka93b2115b92c38b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <69281cb10511031120x69287ef7ka93b2115b92c38b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <436A63B5.7020501@preloaded.com>


Have you tried installing from gems? It's much easier.

archier wrote:
> I downloaded ruby, and did a "make". it worked successfully, but I'm not a
> "super user" so I can't run "make install".
> 
> I then downloaded instiki and tried to start it up, and got the following
> error message:
> 
> [russella at bluto]% ../ruby-1.8.3/ruby instiki
> ./script/server:3:in `require': no such file to load -- webrick (LoadError)
> from ./script/server:3
> from instiki:6
> [russella at bluto]%
> 
> Any idea what I should do?
> 
> Thanks,
> Archie

From archier at gmail.com  Thu Nov  3 14:26:21 2005
From: archier at gmail.com (archier)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 11:26:21 -0800
Subject: [Instiki] instiki installation problem
In-Reply-To: <436A63B5.7020501@preloaded.com>
References: <69281cb10511031120x69287ef7ka93b2115b92c38b@mail.gmail.com>
	<436A63B5.7020501@preloaded.com>
Message-ID: <69281cb10511031126i21ed1e25j31126a3b6cff05dd@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Andy. I don't know how, could you send me a link?

On 11/3/05, Andy Beaumont <andy at preloaded.com> wrote:
>
>
> Have you tried installing from gems? It's much easier.
>
> archier wrote:
> > I downloaded ruby, and did a "make". it worked successfully, but I'm not
> a
> > "super user" so I can't run "make install".
> >
> > I then downloaded instiki and tried to start it up, and got the
> following
> > error message:
> >
> > [russella at bluto]% ../ruby-1.8.3/ruby instiki
> > ./script/server:3:in `require': no such file to load -- webrick
> (LoadError)
> > from ./script/server:3
> > from instiki:6
> > [russella at bluto]%
> >
> > Any idea what I should do?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Archie
> _______________________________________________
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From alex at verk.info  Thu Nov  3 22:44:57 2005
From: alex at verk.info (Alexey Verkhovsky)
Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 20:44:57 -0700
Subject: [Instiki] instiki installation problem
In-Reply-To: <69281cb10511031120x69287ef7ka93b2115b92c38b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <69281cb10511031120x69287ef7ka93b2115b92c38b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <436AD939.8050208@verk.info>

archier wrote:

> I downloaded ruby, and did a "make".  it worked successfully, but I'm 
> not a "super user" so I can't run "make install".

I'd make a small wager that it is either Debian or Ubuntu. Is it?

Alex

From alex at verk.info  Thu Nov  3 23:25:25 2005
From: alex at verk.info (Alexey Verkhovsky)
Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 21:25:25 -0700
Subject: [Instiki] Instiki, Instiki-AR, i2 ???
In-Reply-To: <1131033684.13408.46.camel@bgpc.dymaxion.ca>
References: <p06230902bf69b830dd35@[192.168.254.205]>	<78870765-CBA9-46CC-986B-9E37A761529F@loudthinking.com>
	<1131033684.13408.46.camel@bgpc.dymaxion.ca>
Message-ID: <436AE2B5.70408@verk.info>

BG - Ben Armstrong wrote:

>We're thinking we will eventually need i2 or Instiki-AR, but with
>such uncertainty about the future of these projects, it seems it is best
>to stick with Instiki until we see which one succeeds.
>  
>
I'm actually working on both Instiki-AR and I2 right now. They are not 
forks. Instiki-AR will be merged into the trunk soon (translation for 
non-programmers: eventually it will become Instiki 0.11 release). I2 is 
is a new project, which at the moment is defined is "tailor-made wiki 
engine for www.rubyonrails.org", no more, no less. Large, public wiki, 
constantly spammed, occasionally slashdotted, and all that jazz.

If I were looking for an internal project wiki now, I'd probably use 
Instiki-AR. I know some people using beta 1 and saying that it "just 
works". For your scenario the installation process does not need to be 
as simple as "download, start, voila", therefore you may want to begin 
right there. Beta 2 is "Coming Real Soon", in open-source terms.

>We're assuming the Instiki project is going to make it easy for us to
>make the switch when the time comes. How would you migrate from Instiki
>to one of these forks today, and is it likely to be very much the same
>procedure when the time comes to switch?
>  
>
Instiki -> Instiki-AR migration script packaged with Beta 1 is good 
enough. Just don't forget to run 'script/reset_references'.
I2 migration is considerably worse, and it will probably stay that way, 
simply because rubyonrails.org doesn't need a migration script anymore.
Having said that, somebody may just read this and write one for the heck 
of it (or for his/her own needs) :) In which case, please submit a patch 
to dev.rubyonrails.org!

Best regards,
Alexey Verkhovsky

From assaph at gmail.com  Thu Nov  3 23:44:12 2005
From: assaph at gmail.com (Assaph Mehr)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 15:44:12 +1100
Subject: [Instiki] Instiki, Instiki-AR, i2 ???
In-Reply-To: <436AE2B5.70408@verk.info>
References: <p06230902bf69b830dd35@192.168.254.205>
	<78870765-CBA9-46CC-986B-9E37A761529F@loudthinking.com>
	<1131033684.13408.46.camel@bgpc.dymaxion.ca>
	<436AE2B5.70408@verk.info>
Message-ID: <3ff47be90511032044r4601f30ek69892878650cb5c8@mail.gmail.com>

> Instiki-AR will be merged into the trunk soon (translation for
> non-programmers: eventually it will become Instiki 0.11 release).
...
> Beta 2 is "Coming Real Soon", in open-source terms.

Can you please comment about the scope of (planned) changes?
(Won't hold you to any timeframe, just a roadmap of what you want to
achieve for the next few versions :-)

Cheers,
Assaph


From alex at verk.info  Fri Nov  4 00:08:04 2005
From: alex at verk.info (Alexey Verkhovsky)
Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 22:08:04 -0700
Subject: [Instiki] Instiki, Instiki-AR, i2 ???
In-Reply-To: <3ff47be90511032044r4601f30ek69892878650cb5c8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <p06230902bf69b830dd35@192.168.254.205>	<78870765-CBA9-46CC-986B-9E37A761529F@loudthinking.com>	<1131033684.13408.46.camel@bgpc.dymaxion.ca>	<436AE2B5.70408@verk.info>
	<3ff47be90511032044r4601f30ek69892878650cb5c8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <436AECB4.8050103@verk.info>

Assaph Mehr wrote:

>Can you please comment about the scope of (planned) changes?
>  
>
>(Won't hold you to any timeframe, 
>
Thanks, Assaph, I really appreciate this. :)

>a roadmap of what you want to
>achieve for the next few versions :-)
>  
>
- Get rid of Madeleine
- Upgrade to Rails 1.0; presumably, this should enable you to repackage 
Pimki as plugins (if that's what you want to do); it will also let other 
people publish plugins for whatever.
- CSS tweaks to replace hard-coded pixel-based styles with something 
less rigid
- File uploads (now THAT'S an old song, isn't it?)

I also want to do some AJAX, just for the heck of it. Don't know what it 
will be yet, probably in the file uploads area.
This is as far as I see now. For all we know today, I may then retire to 
Inner Mongolia and live peacefully ever after... but this is unlikely :)

Alex


From bkr.nair at gmail.com  Fri Nov  4 03:55:57 2005
From: bkr.nair at gmail.com (BKR)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 14:25:57 +0530
Subject: [Instiki] Instiki, Instiki-AR, i2 ???
In-Reply-To: <436AECB4.8050103@verk.info>
References: <p06230902bf69b830dd35@192.168.254.205>
	<78870765-CBA9-46CC-986B-9E37A761529F@loudthinking.com>
	<1131033684.13408.46.camel@bgpc.dymaxion.ca>
	<436AE2B5.70408@verk.info>
	<3ff47be90511032044r4601f30ek69892878650cb5c8@mail.gmail.com>
	<436AECB4.8050103@verk.info>
Message-ID: <2b1774520511040055m2b440167k@mail.gmail.com>

hi,

> - Get rid of Madeleine
> - Upgrade to Rails 1.0; presumably, this should enable you to repackage
> Pimki as plugins (if that's what you want to do); it will also let other
> people publish plugins for whatever.
> - CSS tweaks to replace hard-coded pixel-based styles with something
> less rigid
> - File uploads (now THAT'S an old song, isn't it?)
>
> I also want to do some AJAX, just for the heck of it. Don't know what it
> will be yet, probably in the file uploads area.

I'd prefer theming instead of just CSS, i always had this idea of a
plugin for importing wordpress themes to instiki :S, right now its
just a weird idea. The ajax interface to instiki could just be a
theme. so if the browser is not XTML compatible, you could just load a
diff theme.
Problem is , I'm just learning my way around ruby and its been a few
years since i tried to learn a new lang. so it aint happening anytime
soon :(

BKR


From eric_crahen at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  5 20:08:49 2005
From: eric_crahen at yahoo.com (Erc Crahen)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 17:08:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Instiki] FastCGI
Message-ID: <20051106010850.61226.qmail@web60314.mail.yahoo.com>

Can someone take a look here and tell me what may be
going on?

I've been trying to get instiki-0.10.2 running with
Apache and FastCGI. I'm using the standard
configuration that I would with instiki-ar. I've got
that distpatch.fcgi from that release. I have my
.htaccess setup just the same. 

If I point Apache to my instiki-ar installation it
works as a FastCGI just fine. When I do it with 0.10.2
I get the error below. I don't know anything about
what instiki or rails is doing when you run it in this
mode so this error isn't telling me a whole lot. 

Does anyone have any ideas?



[Sat Nov 05 10:30:30 2005] [warn] FastCGI: (dynamic)
server "/var/www/instiki/instiki/public/dispatch.fcgi"
started (pid 27402)


Processing WikiController#index (for 127.0.0.1 at Sat
Nov 05 10:30:31 PST 2005)
  Parameters: {"action"=>"index",
"controller"=>"wiki"}


NoMethodError (undefined method `setup?' for
nil:NilClass):
    /app/controllers/wiki_controller.rb:13:in `index'
   
/vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/base.rb:756:in
`send'
   
/vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/base.rb:756:in
`perform_action_without_filters'
   
/vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/filters.rb:295:in
`perform_action_without_benchmark'
   
/vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/benchmarking.rb:41:in
`perform_action_without_rescue'
   
/vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/benchmarking.rb:41:in
`measure'
   
/vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/benchmarking.rb:41:in
`perform_action_without_rescue'
   
/vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/rescue.rb:80:in
`perform_action'
   
/vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/base.rb:356:in
`send'
   
/vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/base.rb:356:in
`process'
    /vendor/rails/railties/lib/dispatcher.rb:32:in
`dispatch'
    /vendor/rails/railties/lib/fcgi_handler.rb:144:in
`process_request'
    /vendor/rails/railties/lib/fcgi_handler.rb:64:in
`process!'
    /vendor/rails/railties/lib/fcgi_handler.rb:55:in
`each_cgi'
    /usr/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/fcgi.rb:597:in `each'
    /usr/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/fcgi.rb:597:in
`each_cgi'
    /vendor/rails/railties/lib/fcgi_handler.rb:55:in
`process!'
    /vendor/rails/railties/lib/fcgi_handler.rb:21:in
`process!'
    /public/dispatch.fcgi:6





- Eric
eric.crahen at gmail.com


		
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From eric_crahen at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  5 20:15:59 2005
From: eric_crahen at yahoo.com (Erc Crahen)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 17:15:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Instiki] FastCGI
In-Reply-To: <20051106010850.61226.qmail@web60314.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20051106011559.26015.qmail@web60315.mail.yahoo.com>

If I get in there and screw around with layout.rhtml I
found that @wiki is never defined. So I think there is
some initialization that the instiki startup script is
doing the fcgi gateway is not?

--- Erc Crahen <eric_crahen at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Can someone take a look here and tell me what may be
> going on?
> 
> I've been trying to get instiki-0.10.2 running with
> Apache and FastCGI. I'm using the standard
> configuration that I would with instiki-ar. I've got
> that distpatch.fcgi from that release. I have my
> .htaccess setup just the same. 
> 
> If I point Apache to my instiki-ar installation it
> works as a FastCGI just fine. When I do it with
> 0.10.2
> I get the error below. I don't know anything about
> what instiki or rails is doing when you run it in
> this
> mode so this error isn't telling me a whole lot. 
> 
> Does anyone have any ideas?
> 
> 
> 
> [Sat Nov 05 10:30:30 2005] [warn] FastCGI: (dynamic)
> server
> "/var/www/instiki/instiki/public/dispatch.fcgi"
> started (pid 27402)
> 
> 
> Processing WikiController#index (for 127.0.0.1 at
> Sat
> Nov 05 10:30:31 PST 2005)
>   Parameters: {"action"=>"index",
> "controller"=>"wiki"}
> 
> 
> NoMethodError (undefined method `setup?' for
> nil:NilClass):
>     /app/controllers/wiki_controller.rb:13:in
> `index'
>    
>
/vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/base.rb:756:in
> `send'
>    
>
/vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/base.rb:756:in
> `perform_action_without_filters'
>    
>
/vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/filters.rb:295:in
> `perform_action_without_benchmark'
>    
>
/vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/benchmarking.rb:41:in
> `perform_action_without_rescue'
>    
>
/vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/benchmarking.rb:41:in
> `measure'
>    
>
/vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/benchmarking.rb:41:in
> `perform_action_without_rescue'
>    
>
/vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/rescue.rb:80:in
> `perform_action'
>    
>
/vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/base.rb:356:in
> `send'
>    
>
/vendor/rails/actionpack/lib/action_controller/base.rb:356:in
> `process'
>     /vendor/rails/railties/lib/dispatcher.rb:32:in
> `dispatch'
>    
> /vendor/rails/railties/lib/fcgi_handler.rb:144:in
> `process_request'
>     /vendor/rails/railties/lib/fcgi_handler.rb:64:in
> `process!'
>     /vendor/rails/railties/lib/fcgi_handler.rb:55:in
> `each_cgi'
>     /usr/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/fcgi.rb:597:in
> `each'
>     /usr/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/fcgi.rb:597:in
> `each_cgi'
>     /vendor/rails/railties/lib/fcgi_handler.rb:55:in
> `process!'
>     /vendor/rails/railties/lib/fcgi_handler.rb:21:in
> `process!'
>     /public/dispatch.fcgi:6
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - Eric
> eric.crahen at gmail.com
> 
> 
> 		
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From alex at verk.info  Sat Nov  5 22:51:43 2005
From: alex at verk.info (Alexey Verkhovsky)
Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 20:51:43 -0700
Subject: [Instiki] FastCGI
In-Reply-To: <20051106011559.26015.qmail@web60315.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051106011559.26015.qmail@web60315.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <436D7DCF.3090201@verk.info>

Erc Crahen wrote:

>If I get in there and screw around with layout.rhtml I
>found that @wiki is never defined. So I think there is
>some initialization that the instiki startup script is
>doing the fcgi gateway is not?
>  
>
That's right. It starts Madeleine thread and loads the latest storage 
snapshot on startup. IMHO, there is little practical sense in running 
Instiki-0.10.2 under FCGI - it can only run as a single process, and 
startup is pretty expensive.

Alex

From maurizio at gmail.com  Sun Nov  6 11:56:31 2005
From: maurizio at gmail.com (Maurizio Balestrieri)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 17:56:31 +0100
Subject: [Instiki] problem with svn installation of instiki-ar
Message-ID: <1c7fecb90511060856q48c51da0w9b15aa4dcb342172@mail.gmail.com>

hello. i got the following error while trying to install the lates svn
instiki-ar:

C:\Program Files\instiki>rake db_schema_import create_sessions_table
(in C:/Program Files/instiki)
rake aborted!
No such file or directory - ./config/../config/database.yml

(i checked out from the repository in the "C:\Program Files\instiki"
directory; rake and sqlite are installed and working fine).

any ideas?

many thanks.


From assaph at gmail.com  Sun Nov  6 16:06:58 2005
From: assaph at gmail.com (Assaph Mehr)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 08:06:58 +1100
Subject: [Instiki] problem with svn installation of instiki-ar
In-Reply-To: <1c7fecb90511060856q48c51da0w9b15aa4dcb342172@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1c7fecb90511060856q48c51da0w9b15aa4dcb342172@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3ff47be90511061306j1023d6e2x3cc553b3db95b0fd@mail.gmail.com>

> C:\Program Files\instiki>rake db_schema_import create_sessions_table
> (in C:/Program Files/instiki)
> rake aborted!
> No such file or directory - ./config/../config/database.yml

Under the /config directory there is a database.default.yml. Make a
copy of it and rename it to database.yml. Change any details if you
need to override the default SQLite names.

HTH,
Assaph


From maurizio at gmail.com  Sun Nov  6 17:07:10 2005
From: maurizio at gmail.com (Maurizio Balestrieri)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 23:07:10 +0100
Subject: [Instiki] problem with svn installation of instiki-ar
In-Reply-To: <3ff47be90511061306j1023d6e2x3cc553b3db95b0fd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1c7fecb90511060856q48c51da0w9b15aa4dcb342172@mail.gmail.com>
	<3ff47be90511061306j1023d6e2x3cc553b3db95b0fd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1c7fecb90511061407t6f4506abs3551f44fda3a725a@mail.gmail.com>

thank you. unfortunately it is not found inside the current svn
repository (at least my svn client has not been able to check it out).
i though to download the current beta1 (zip) and i found it there, so
i copied it inside the proper dir. but then i got a new error:

C:\Program Files\instiki-ar>rake db_schema_import create_sessions_table
(in C:/Program Files/instiki-ar)
rake aborted!
No such file to load -- sqlite3

(but sqlite3 is in the path and is executed at the commend prompt)

so i decided to give a try to the beta1. but then i got this one:

C:\Program Files\instiki>rake db_schema_import create_sessions_table
(in C:/Program Files/instiki)
rake aborted!
Don't know how to build task 'db_schema_import'

:(



if i've installed 10.2 (with gem) and then i'll install the beta1 or
the svn release, when i run "instiki" (under windows) which one of the
two will be executed?


On 11/6/05, Assaph Mehr <assaph at gmail.com> wrote:
> > C:\Program Files\instiki>rake db_schema_import create_sessions_table
> > (in C:/Program Files/instiki)
> > rake aborted!
> > No such file or directory - ./config/../config/database.yml
>
> Under the /config directory there is a database.default.yml. Make a
> copy of it and rename it to database.yml. Change any details if you
> need to override the default SQLite names.
>
> HTH,
> Assaph
>
> _______________________________________________
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>


From assaph at gmail.com  Sun Nov  6 17:43:36 2005
From: assaph at gmail.com (Assaph Mehr)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 09:43:36 +1100
Subject: [Instiki] problem with svn installation of instiki-ar
In-Reply-To: <1c7fecb90511061407t6f4506abs3551f44fda3a725a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1c7fecb90511060856q48c51da0w9b15aa4dcb342172@mail.gmail.com>
	<3ff47be90511061306j1023d6e2x3cc553b3db95b0fd@mail.gmail.com>
	<1c7fecb90511061407t6f4506abs3551f44fda3a725a@mail.gmail.com>
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> C:\Program Files\instiki-ar>rake db_schema_import create_sessions_table
> (in C:/Program Files/instiki-ar)
> rake aborted!
> No such file to load -- sqlite3
>
> (but sqlite3 is in the path and is executed at the commend prompt)

You'll need the Ruby SQLite3 adapter, as well as the SQLite DLL.
Make sure that
(a) you have the DLL (not just the .exe) for SQLite on the path
(b) the adapter is installed. You can install via gems: gems install
sqlite3-ruby

This adapter is included in the zip.

> so i decided to give a try to the beta1. but then i got this one:
>
> C:\Program Files\instiki>rake db_schema_import create_sessions_table
> (in C:/Program Files/instiki)
> rake aborted!
> Don't know how to build task 'db_schema_import'

That's because there is no such rake task for Instiki. It's defined in
the railties rakefile, but not in the Instiki rakefile. I have no idea
if it applies.

> if i've installed 10.2 (with gem) and then i'll install the beta1 or
> the svn release, when i run "instiki" (under windows) which one of the
> two will be executed?

It's acording to the systems PATH environment variable. Usually it
will check the current directory first, so if you're in one of the
svn/beta1 dirs it will start those versions, otherwise the gem
version.


Cheers,
Assaph


From dpguest at bestweb.net  Tue Nov  8 09:49:54 2005
From: dpguest at bestweb.net (David Guest)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 09:49:54 EST
Subject: [Instiki] How do I run the beta version?
Message-ID: <4370bb12.17c18.0@bestweb.net>



From dpguest at bestweb.net  Tue Nov  8 09:51:35 2005
From: dpguest at bestweb.net (David Guest)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 09:51:35 EST
Subject: [Instiki] Questions about installing Beta AR
Message-ID: <4370bb77.17c55.0@bestweb.net>

Sorry about the empty post.

I am on Windows XP.

I downloaded and unzipped the Beta AR and would like to try it.

What steps do I need to do in order to run it on my computer?

thank you

David Guest

From cbailey at verio.net  Tue Nov  8 11:19:58 2005
From: cbailey at verio.net (Christopher Bailey)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 11:19:58 -0500
Subject: [Instiki] instiki upgrade trouble
Message-ID: <C287464BB03CA545BCF6B567E1B282C222406C@IAD-WPRD-XCHB01.corp.verio.net>

I apparently didn't follow prescribed upgrade procedures when I tried to
move from instiki-0.9.2 to instiki-010.2. I did not export to either
html or textile. I wish that I had. I moved the /storage directory into
another location and did a "gem install instiki" after upgrading my
ruby-gems port (on FreeBSD).

The installation went smoothly. I opened my browser and created the
original web along with an additional web with the intent of "importing"
data from the saved /storage directory back into the first web I
created.

This is when I realized I had no idea what I was doing. In the mean time
I spent some time on a second web thinking surely I would figure out how
to get my data from original /storage directory back into the first new
web I created under 0.10.2. Now I have two storage directories. Moving
the original storage directory back into the original location and
restarting instiki doesn't seem to help. I don't get any particular
error at all, the browser just finally times out with a blank screen.

Can the data in the /storage/2500 directories be recovered and imported
back into a web?

I obviously have no clue as to how the underlying file/data storage
system works and could use some expert advice to save my bacon here.

Thanks,
Chris


From archier at gmail.com  Tue Nov  8 14:24:53 2005
From: archier at gmail.com (archier)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 11:24:53 -0800
Subject: [Instiki] instiki installation problem
In-Reply-To: <436AD939.8050208@verk.info>
References: <69281cb10511031120x69287ef7ka93b2115b92c38b@mail.gmail.com>
	<436AD939.8050208@verk.info>
Message-ID: <69281cb10511081124h49f03ccdnc459391cfadcd64d@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Alex -- it's actually Suse


On 11/3/05, Alexey Verkhovsky <alex at verk.info> wrote:
>
> archier wrote:
>
> > I downloaded ruby, and did a "make". it worked successfully, but I'm
> > not a "super user" so I can't run "make install".
>
> I'd make a small wager that it is either Debian or Ubuntu. Is it?
>
> Alex
> _______________________________________________
> Instiki-users mailing list
> Instiki-users at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/instiki-users
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From assaph at gmail.com  Tue Nov  8 16:35:19 2005
From: assaph at gmail.com (Assaph Mehr)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:35:19 +1100
Subject: [Instiki] Questions about installing Beta AR
In-Reply-To: <4370bb77.17c55.0@bestweb.net>
References: <4370bb77.17c55.0@bestweb.net>
Message-ID: <3ff47be90511081335r620a610ai430c3ba6e1b3ec54@mail.gmail.com>

> I downloaded and unzipped the Beta AR and would like to try it.
>
> What steps do I need to do in order to run it on my computer?

* Install Ruby: http://rubyforge.org/frs/?group_id=167&release_id=2049
* Place the SQLite dll in the path (e.g. in ruby\bin directory):
http://sqlite.org/sqlitedll-3_2_7.zip
* from the command line run: gem install sqlite3-ruby
* Unzip the beta1 zip. In the config directory there is a
database.default.yml. Make a copy and name it database.yml
* From the command-line, go the beta1 directory and run: ruby script/create_db
* run: ruby script/server
* In your browser go to: http://localhost:2500


HTH,
Assaph


From assaph at gmail.com  Tue Nov  8 16:45:03 2005
From: assaph at gmail.com (Assaph Mehr)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:45:03 +1100
Subject: [Instiki] instiki upgrade trouble
In-Reply-To: <C287464BB03CA545BCF6B567E1B282C222406C@IAD-WPRD-XCHB01.corp.verio.net>
References: <C287464BB03CA545BCF6B567E1B282C222406C@IAD-WPRD-XCHB01.corp.verio.net>
Message-ID: <3ff47be90511081345w25d52ef0sbfc7b5e1f1a46328@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Chris,

In Instiki the storage format should be copatible between 0.9.2 and
0.10.2. You could have simply used the same storage directory :-)

If you have two different wikis now, you must open the old web (just
run instiki --storage=/path/to/old/storage --port=some_other_port) and
export the web as textile. You should then hack the source a bit to
enable import of old webs, and import the old web into the new one.
Look at the list archives on how to enable it (mucking about in
app/controllers/file_controller.rb IIRC).

HTH,
Assaph

On 11/9/05, Christopher Bailey <cbailey at verio.net> wrote:
> I apparently didn't follow prescribed upgrade procedures when I tried to
> move from instiki-0.9.2 to instiki-010.2. I did not export to either
> html or textile. I wish that I had. I moved the /storage directory into
> another location and did a "gem install instiki" after upgrading my
> ruby-gems port (on FreeBSD).
>
> The installation went smoothly. I opened my browser and created the
> original web along with an additional web with the intent of "importing"
> data from the saved /storage directory back into the first web I
> created.
>
> This is when I realized I had no idea what I was doing. In the mean time
> I spent some time on a second web thinking surely I would figure out how
> to get my data from original /storage directory back into the first new
> web I created under 0.10.2. Now I have two storage directories. Moving
> the original storage directory back into the original location and
> restarting instiki doesn't seem to help. I don't get any particular
> error at all, the browser just finally times out with a blank screen.
>
> Can the data in the /storage/2500 directories be recovered and imported
> back into a web?
>
> I obviously have no clue as to how the underlying file/data storage
> system works and could use some expert advice to save my bacon here.
>
> Thanks,
> Chris
>
> _______________________________________________
> Instiki-users mailing list
> Instiki-users at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/instiki-users
>


From ldk2005 at gmail.com  Tue Nov  8 17:14:44 2005
From: ldk2005 at gmail.com (Larry Kelly)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 14:14:44 -0800
Subject: [Instiki] How to run Instiki on a different port.
Message-ID: <871b07a70511081414q1a660957ocdf5f3cc407c4630@mail.gmail.com>

Instiki looks really neat. How can I change the port that it runs on?

--
Best Regards,
-Larry
"Work, work, work...there is no satisfactory alternative."
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From ldk2005 at gmail.com  Tue Nov  8 17:17:38 2005
From: ldk2005 at gmail.com (Larry Kelly)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 14:17:38 -0800
Subject: [Instiki] Instiki on apache.
Message-ID: <871b07a70511081417w47d4c4e9if8ef9311a3971463@mail.gmail.com>

Will Instiki run on an Apache server? Is there a tutorial on that somewhere?
I really like it's private web capability, but I'd like to put it on my
hosting server.

--
Best Regards,
-Larry
"Work, work, work...there is no satisfactory alternative."
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From assaph at gmail.com  Tue Nov  8 17:17:41 2005
From: assaph at gmail.com (Assaph Mehr)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:17:41 +1100
Subject: [Instiki] How to run Instiki on a different port.
In-Reply-To: <871b07a70511081414q1a660957ocdf5f3cc407c4630@mail.gmail.com>
References: <871b07a70511081414q1a660957ocdf5f3cc407c4630@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3ff47be90511081417g513a1691ja9e4f78e4a90ffc@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Larry,

On 11/9/05, Larry Kelly <ldk2005 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Instiki looks really neat.  How can I change the port that it runs on?

instiki --port=<port number>

look at "instiki --help" for more info.

Cheers,
Assaph


From assaph at gmail.com  Tue Nov  8 17:30:49 2005
From: assaph at gmail.com (Assaph Mehr)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:30:49 +1100
Subject: [Instiki] Instiki on apache.
In-Reply-To: <871b07a70511081417w47d4c4e9if8ef9311a3971463@mail.gmail.com>
References: <871b07a70511081417w47d4c4e9if8ef9311a3971463@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3ff47be90511081430p11da9c63oc70a4cc9e959296a@mail.gmail.com>

> Will Instiki run on an Apache server?  Is there a tutorial on that
> somewhere?  I really like it's private web capability, but I'd like to put
> it on my hosting server.

Yes. The instructions are on instiki.org, which is down at the moment
(maybe try google cache)

Cheers,
Assaph


From ldk2005 at gmail.com  Tue Nov  8 18:55:57 2005
From: ldk2005 at gmail.com (Larry Kelly)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 15:55:57 -0800
Subject: [Instiki] How to run Instiki on a different port.
In-Reply-To: <3ff47be90511081417g513a1691ja9e4f78e4a90ffc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <871b07a70511081414q1a660957ocdf5f3cc407c4630@mail.gmail.com>
	<3ff47be90511081417g513a1691ja9e4f78e4a90ffc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <871b07a70511081555l48976cedse681a1f8ae6284cb@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks,
-Larry

On 11/8/05, Assaph Mehr <assaph at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Larry,
>
> On 11/9/05, Larry Kelly <ldk2005 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Instiki looks really neat. How can I change the port that it runs on?
>
> instiki --port=<port number>
>
> look at "instiki --help" for more info.
>
> Cheers,
> Assaph
>
> _______________________________________________
> Instiki-users mailing list
> Instiki-users at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/instiki-users
>



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From bart.masschelein at skynet.be  Thu Nov 10 14:32:19 2005
From: bart.masschelein at skynet.be (Bart Masschelein)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 20:32:19 +0100
Subject: [Instiki] About Instiki, I2, Pimki and grandmothers
Message-ID: <4373A043.3030008@skynet.be>

I like wikis. I like their flexibility. I like their ease of use for 
grandmothers, who lived the times of 'letters' (I recently found out 
those red boxes with a hole, which you sometimes see on the pavement, 
were used for letters. You can consider them like nodes in a network, 
and there were people who put it in this other hole you find in your 
front door.), and want to keep in touch with their grandchildren on the 
other side of the world. I like grandmothers. I like ruby, and I like 
RoR. So a while ago I started with using Instiki. Works fine. Did the 
trick, but the out-of-the box installation lacked clarity and 
customizability. And then there was Instiki AR. Same problem, but 
already on Rails and SQL. And then there is I2, which should according 
to the 'internet' be used for larger websites with a vast amount of 
pages. And my first question (after: Not again? Doing all the changes I 
have done before?) is if Instiki AR is on Rails, and uses SQL, can there 
then be such a significant difference in implementation that Instiki AR 
could not be used for Big Sites? And then Pimki was still in the back of 
my mind. And what I really want to have is the power of I2, with the 
flexibility of Pimki (based on the features list, will soon try out). In 
PmWiki you have the CookBook, which are add-ons for the wiki. It would 
be nice if you could install the base of Instiki AR or I2, and then, at 
own wish, install for instance a todo list, or adddress book, or 
authorization modules. These might then attract more plug-in developers, 
if you give them a template to do what they want to do. I have no clue 
what this would actually mean, as my knowledge of Rails is currently 
quite poor. But it must be feasible.

Pff, I lost track of what I wanted to say. But basically it comes down 
to this: guys, put your heads together, and try to find the best of all 
three worlds (Instiki AR, I2 and Pimki), and make one beats-them-all 
wiki. These ideas shoot through my mind, at the very moment:

The wiki itself should actually be also merely a plug-in, into a top 
layer controller.
AJAX should be used heavily, probably, to control the plug-ins 
renderings in the main page
theming facilities, very attractive for new users which are not developers

I'm more then willing to contribute in these effort, as I find them very 
useful, and probably will try it out myself. But I cannot do this on my 
own, and I dont want that in the end I've created a YAW. Number four. So 
if people have ideas (I'm mainly looking (yes, I can see you ;-)) to the 
developers of the Trinity) on how such a system should work, shoot.

Fact: I never have written such a long mail.

regards,

Bart


From assaph at gmail.com  Thu Nov 10 16:59:54 2005
From: assaph at gmail.com (Assaph Mehr)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 08:59:54 +1100
Subject: [Instiki] About Instiki, I2, Pimki and grandmothers
In-Reply-To: <4373A043.3030008@skynet.be>
References: <4373A043.3030008@skynet.be>
Message-ID: <3ff47be90511101359i67674403t47a40809ebf170fd@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Bart,

A bit of History first:

- Instiki was started by David Heinemeier Hansson when he wanted to
collaborate with friends on his thesis. It was based on his ideas of
what rails will look like, and used Madeleiene object prevalence for
storage.
- I started playing with Instiki when it came out and added a few
features. DHH did not want to include them in the core as they
violated the "no step three" installation (dependencies on GraphViz)
and the simplicity of the wiki. Pimki was born.
- Being nominated "best hacker for 2005" made DHH a mite busy to take
care of Instiki and the job was given to Alexey. Alex has revamped
Instiki to use the modern rails release.
- I lost a few hairs, and decided to re-implement Pimki (as Pimki2)
because the changed were just too extensive.
- Meanwhile the RubyOnRails site was being slashdotted regularly and
the madeleine backend for the RoR wiki was crumbling. This I2 was born
- to scratch that particular itch: an Instiki-like wiki that can
withstand *really* being abused.
- Just when I thought Pimki2 was about ready, Alexey release
Instiki-AR. This is a branch of Instiki that uses adatabase for the
backend. I lost a few more hairs.
- Apparently the AR branch / beta release were successful and Alexey
has moved it to be the mainline and it will be the next Instiki
release.
- The next release will also be updated to Rails 1.0, which has a
plugin functionality.
- I'm currently waiting for the dust to settle a bit before
reimplementing, *again*, Pimki over the new Instiki. I'm still
considering what's the best course to achieve that, especially since
Pimki is aimed at really personal use / small groups - people that
need it to "just work" without the hassle of database maintenance.

Now for your suggestions....

> The wiki itself should actually be also merely a plug-in, into a top
> layer controller.

Not sure this is possible with Rails.
Alexey has suggested I should try re-implementing Pimki as a set of
plugins as well. From a cursory glance I don't believe that will work,
as I need to make extensive changes to the way Instiki works. For that
reason I am not sure if other non-trivial functionality can be written
as a plugin, but I am not an expert.

> AJAX should be used heavily, probably, to control the plug-ins
> renderings in the main page

Ajax is nice, but it is not a full solution to everything. Pimki2 has
a few bits of Ajax, and I think Alexey wants to do some for Instiki as
well (for the fun of it :). Am just not sure if it will solve these
issues, or make things worse.

> theming facilities, very attractive for new users which are not developers

You do have theming in the current Instik/Pimki: On the Edit Web page
you can tweak the stylesheet, or you can replace the stylesheet that
is located under /public/stylesheets in the Instiki distro. All you
need are a bit of CSS skills. (Pimki2 comes a couple of alternative
stylesheets).

> I'm more then willing to contribute in these effort, as I find them very
> useful, and probably will try it out myself. But I cannot do this on my
> own, and I dont want that in the end I've created a YAW.

Feel free to submit patches to existing projects :-)


Cheers,
Assaph


From ngzax at comcast.net  Thu Nov 10 17:06:40 2005
From: ngzax at comcast.net (Daryl Richter)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 17:06:40 -0500
Subject: [Instiki] Instiki-AR installation problem
Message-ID: <4373C470.9010300@comcast.net>

Hi-

I just checked out the latest from svn.  While running step #7:

    [DJR-iBook:~/Code/Ruby/instiki] daryl% rake db_schema_import 
create_sessions_table
    (in /Users/daryl/Code/Ruby/instiki)
    rake aborted!
    No such file or directory - ./config/database.yml

??

-- 
Daryl

"We want great men who, when fortune frowns, will not be discouraged."
     -- Colonel Henry Knox, 1776

From rdm at cfcl.com  Thu Nov 10 18:32:09 2005
From: rdm at cfcl.com (Rich Morin)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 15:32:09 -0800
Subject: [Instiki] About Instiki, I2, Pimki and grandmothers
In-Reply-To: <3ff47be90511101359i67674403t47a40809ebf170fd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4373A043.3030008@skynet.be>
	<3ff47be90511101359i67674403t47a40809ebf170fd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06230930bf9986f24556@[192.168.254.205]>

At 8:59 AM +1100 11/11/05, Assaph Mehr wrote:
>Feel free to submit patches to existing projects :-)

I'd love to, but I'm kind of waiting for YOUR dust to settle.  In
the meanwhile, I'd like to know a bit more about Pimki's use of
graphviz (current and projected) and "Hyberbolic Mind Maps".  Is
this stuff documented somewhere?

More generally, I'm interested in the possible crosses between
wikis and Topic Maps.  TMwiki (http://www.topic-maps.org) is one
take on this, but it sounds like Pimki could be an interesting
basis for another.

-r
-- 
email: rdm at cfcl.com; phone: +1 650-873-7841
http://www.cfcl.com        - Canta Forda Computer Laboratory
http://www.cfcl.com/Meta   - The FreeBSD Browser, Meta Project, etc.

From assaph at gmail.com  Thu Nov 10 19:45:54 2005
From: assaph at gmail.com (Assaph Mehr)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 11:45:54 +1100
Subject: [Instiki] About Instiki, I2, Pimki and grandmothers
In-Reply-To: <p06230930bf9986f24556@192.168.254.205>
References: <4373A043.3030008@skynet.be>
	<3ff47be90511101359i67674403t47a40809ebf170fd@mail.gmail.com>
	<p06230930bf9986f24556@192.168.254.205>
Message-ID: <3ff47be90511101645p11cd5c14q23c8549a85b63611@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Rich,

> >Feel free to submit patches to existing projects :-)
> I'd love to, but I'm kind of waiting for YOUR dust to settle.

I'll take it as a compliment :-)

> In the meanwhile, I'd like to know a bit more about Pimki's use of
> graphviz (current and projected) and "Hyberbolic Mind Maps".  Is
> this stuff documented somewhere?

It is documented in Pimki2 - if you have an instance running just
click on the "don't panic" link at the top for the help section.

In general, GraphViz is used in three places (in PImki2):
* The Mind Maps - a map of links between pages, authors and categories
in the wiki
* Hyperbolic Maps - a per-page map of inbound and outbound links
* Integrated Graphs - you can embed diagrams in a page inside
<graph></graph> tags

> More generally, I'm interested in the possible crosses between
> wikis and Topic Maps.  TMwiki (http://www.topic-maps.org) is one
> take on this, but it sounds like Pimki could be an interesting
> basis for another.

Thanks for the reference - looks interesting, I'll check it out soon.

Cheers,
Assaph


From lists-instiki at shopwatch.org  Thu Nov 10 20:17:33 2005
From: lists-instiki at shopwatch.org (Jay Levitt)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 20:17:33 -0500
Subject: [Instiki] About Instiki, I2, Pimki and grandmothers
In-Reply-To: <4373A043.3030008@skynet.be>
References: <4373A043.3030008@skynet.be>
Message-ID: <4373F12D.1060300@shopwatch.org>

Bart Masschelein wrote:
> Pff, I lost track of what I wanted to say. But basically it comes down 
> to this: guys, put your heads together, and try to find the best of all 
> three worlds (Instiki AR, I2 and Pimki), and make one beats-them-all 
> wiki. These ideas shoot through my mind, at the very moment:
>   
Personally, I'm trying to get rid of this horrible php-based wiki I'm 
using, and bringing Instiki up to feature parity is first on my 
development list.  I don't actually think it's that hard; it's just that 
every time I post "I'm going to start working on this" to a Rails 
mailing list, I end up doing three weeks of sysadmin, and two other cool 
new projects grab my interest... so I hate to make any promises.

That said, stuff I personally intend to add to Instiki-AR if nobody gets 
there first:
- Comments
- Revision diffing
- Dojo's WYSIWYG editor
- Table-of-contents macro
- Syntax highlighting (or is it there already? I forget)
- Basic login, probably using ModelSecurity
- Engine-ifying it
- Add field for "change description"
- Separation of "same-person edited" and "minor change" concepts
- Better handling of back button/locking
- Preview button
- ignore-words
- Basic spam-blocking
- See if there's a way to refactor Ruwiki and share stuff
- Page-watch e-mail notifications

Whew.  That oughta take at least a week or so.

> The wiki itself should actually be also merely a plug-in, into a top 
> layer controller.
>   
That shouldn't be difficult at all with the new Engines stuff.

> theming facilities, very attractive for new users which are not developers
>   
I have a feeling the new rendering stuff in 1.0 is going to handle that 
nicely... we should see what develops.

Jay Levitt


From alex at verk.info  Fri Nov 11 01:15:31 2005
From: alex at verk.info (Alexey Verkhovsky)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 00:15:31 -0600
Subject: [Instiki] About Instiki, I2, Pimki and grandmothers
In-Reply-To: <4373F12D.1060300@shopwatch.org>
References: <4373A043.3030008@skynet.be> <4373F12D.1060300@shopwatch.org>
Message-ID: <43743703.2030605@verk.info>

Jay Levitt wrote:
> That said, stuff I personally intend to add to Instiki-AR if nobody gets 
> there first:
>   
Let's keep in mind what Instiki is supposed to be. A personal / small 
project wiki that is ridiculously easy to install and start using. This 
actually means that there shouldn't be many features in the "core" of 
it. I'm actually thinking about dropping some features, primarily 
Tex/PDF exports.

That said, Rails now has the plugin architecture, and so it should be 
possible for people who want to create more features to package them as 
plugins.

Looking at Jay's list, here is my take on what is a core feature and 
what is a plugin. But if anybody feels particularly passionate about 
something, feel free to smack me down on it :)
> - Comments
>   
plugin
> - Revision diffing
>   
By all means, please make it happen. What we have now can definitely be 
smarter.
> - Dojo's WYSIWYG editor
>   
plugin
> - Table-of-contents macro
>   
Please clarify.
> - Syntax highlighting (or is it there already? I forget)
>   
Plugin. A library to do it exists, but Instiki doesnt include it. I 
would, in fact, happily add this plugin to instiki.org.
> - Basic login, probably using ModelSecurity
>   
Plugin.
> - Engine-ifying it
>   
Hmm... not sure about it. I want to push it out the door as a standalone 
product first. If you can make a Rake task that can package reexisting 
the existing codebase into an Engine, I'm sure this would make quite a 
few people happy!
> - Add field for "change description"
>   
Plugin.
> - Separation of "same-person edited" and "minor change" concepts
>   
Edit marked as minor by a checkbox? Plugin.
> - Better handling of back button/locking
>   
Yeah, this one could be done better than it is. Core feature.
> - Preview button
>   
Core feature.
> - ignore-words
>   
Please clarify
> - Basic spam-blocking
>   
Already there, but should be better. And repackaged as a plugin :)
> - See if there's a way to refactor Ruwiki and share stuff
>   
Sure!
> - Page-watch e-mail notifications
>   
Plugin
> Whew.  That oughta take at least a week or so.
>   
Give me somebody in the Ruby world who has a spare week these days, and 
I turn over the world. :)

Best regards,
Alex


From alex at verk.info  Fri Nov 11 01:22:33 2005
From: alex at verk.info (Alexey Verkhovsky)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 00:22:33 -0600
Subject: [Instiki] About Instiki, I2, Pimki and grandmothers
In-Reply-To: <4373A043.3030008@skynet.be>
References: <4373A043.3030008@skynet.be>
Message-ID: <437438A9.4080106@verk.info>

Bart Masschelein wrote:
> make one beats-them-all wiki. 
Personal and public wiki are different enough to be different projects. 
One Beats Them All Wiki will inevitably end up a horrible feature bloat, 
like PhpBB
> I'm more then willing to contribute in these effort, as I find them very 
> useful, and probably will try it out myself. But I cannot do this on my 
> own, and I dont want that in the end I've created a YAW.
Somebody told me recently that the right answer is: Submit Patches!
So, Submit Patches! Submit Patches! Submit Patches! :)

Alex


From lists-instiki at shopwatch.org  Fri Nov 11 08:02:01 2005
From: lists-instiki at shopwatch.org (Jay Levitt)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 08:02:01 -0500
Subject: [Instiki] About Instiki, I2, Pimki and grandmothers
In-Reply-To: <43743703.2030605@verk.info>
References: <4373A043.3030008@skynet.be> <4373F12D.1060300@shopwatch.org>
	<43743703.2030605@verk.info>
Message-ID: <43749649.5060801@rubyforge.org>

Alexey Verkhovsky wrote:
> Jay Levitt wrote:
>   
>> That said, stuff I personally intend to add to Instiki-AR if nobody gets 
>> there first:
>>   
>>     
> Let's keep in mind what Instiki is supposed to be. A personal / small 
> project wiki that is ridiculously easy to install and start using. This 
> actually means that there shouldn't be many features in the "core" of 
> it. I'm actually thinking about dropping some features, primarily 
> Tex/PDF exports.
>   
Yes, I agree.. many of these can and should be plugins.  In fact, even 
if they don't -have- to be, designing them as such (which will take some 
refactoring of the core, I'm sure) will make it more possible for them 
to extend each other, and to work well with other extensions. 

>> - Table-of-contents macro
>>     
WackoWiki's got this - You put {{ToC}} in a page, and it gives you a 
nicely-formatted list of the header links on the page.  It's really, 
really nice, and takes a lot of the pressure off deciding "Should this 
stuff be refactored into multiple pages?"  See 
http://wackowiki.com/WackoDownload/InEnglish, on the rare occasions that 
it's up...

>> - Engine-ifying it
>>   
>>     
> Hmm... not sure about it. I want to push it out the door as a standalone 
> product first. If you can make a Rake task that can package reexisting 
> the existing codebase into an Engine, I'm sure this would make quite a 
> few people happy!
>   
I was actually thinkin the other way around - once it's an Engine, it's 
trivial to package an app that consists only of including the engine, 
SQLite, routes, etc!

>> - Add field for "change description"
>>   
>>     
> Plugin.
>   
Hmm.. at first I disagree, but then I realize that this means we need a 
way for plugins to add fields, and I think that's worth doing, and this 
can be the simplest example of such a plugin.

>> - Separation of "same-person edited" and "minor change" concepts
>>   
>>     
> Edit marked as minor by a checkbox? Plugin.
>   
I disagree on this one, because of the -opposite- case.  If I edit 
something three days later, I expect the wiki to store a revision for 
me, and it doesn't.  In fact, on my wiki (and I expect on many), I'm the 
core maintainer of any page that someone doesn't grab, so ALL the 
changes are mine...  thoughts?

>> - ignore-words
>>
>>     
> Please clarify
>   
Start writing a lot of pages about PowerBooks, MovableType, iTunes, and 
vBulletin, and you'll very quickly wish there was a global list of words 
that were not considered WikiWords! :)  As an enhancement, it might be 
nice if they were glossary terms or something like that.  Could easily 
be a plugin.

>> - Basic spam-blocking
>>
>>     
> Already there, but should be better. And repackaged as a plugin :)
>   
Whole bunch of em, actually.. I have a list of about ten things I want 
to try eventually, culled from the various other wiki folks.  Plugins 
definitely make that easy once we have the right hooks in place.

>> Whew.  That oughta take at least a week or so.
>>   
>>     
> Give me somebody in the Ruby world who has a spare week these days, and 
> I turn over the world. :)
>   
My world keeps turning over too!

Jay
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From chris at idlelion.net  Fri Nov 11 10:15:39 2005
From: chris at idlelion.net (Chris Schumann)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 09:15:39 -0600
Subject: [Instiki] About Instiki, I2, Pimki and grandmothers
In-Reply-To: <4373F12D.1060300@shopwatch.org>
References: <4373A043.3030008@skynet.be> <4373F12D.1060300@shopwatch.org>
Message-ID: <4374B59B.7090509@idlelion.net>

Jay Levitt wrote:
> That said, stuff I personally intend to add to Instiki-AR if nobody gets 
> there first:
<awesome list o' stuff>

(My first post to this list, BTW.)

I'll pop my hand up to humbly ask for a login button on the login page. 
I didn't think it was missing until I tried to use Blazer (on a Palm 
T|X) to connect to my Instiki. I can enter the password, but I can't hit 
enter, so a login button would be much appreciated, and it shouldn't 
slow down anyone who likes to hit enter.

Chris

PS - I like that Thunderbird suggests Nonstick as a correction of Instiki.

From bkr.nair at gmail.com  Fri Nov 11 11:41:35 2005
From: bkr.nair at gmail.com (BKR)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 22:11:35 +0530
Subject: [Instiki] Instiki-AR installation problem
In-Reply-To: <4373C470.9010300@comcast.net>
References: <4373C470.9010300@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <2b1774520511110841k7a11b3d9t@mail.gmail.com>

On how to setup AR-beta, go here pls

http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/instiki-users/2005-November/000404.html

thx
On 11/11/05, Daryl Richter <ngzax at comcast.net> wrote:
> Hi-
>
> I just checked out the latest from svn.  While running step #7:
>
>     [DJR-iBook:~/Code/Ruby/instiki] daryl% rake db_schema_import
> create_sessions_table
>     (in /Users/daryl/Code/Ruby/instiki)
>     rake aborted!
>     No such file or directory - ./config/database.yml
>
> ??
>
> --
> Daryl
>
> "We want great men who, when fortune frowns, will not be discouraged."
>      -- Colonel Henry Knox, 1776
> _______________________________________________
> Instiki-users mailing list
> Instiki-users at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/instiki-users
>


From rahulsinha at mac.com  Sat Nov 12 02:26:58 2005
From: rahulsinha at mac.com (Rahul Sinha)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 02:26:58 -0500
Subject: [Instiki] Tagging
Message-ID: <174BAB0D-0532-4965-BBFC-2B81FBC0D965@mac.com>

Are there any plans to add category/tagging support to instiki?
Is this something else that is better left to plugins? (If so, I have  
to see this plugin API!)

-RS

From assaph at gmail.com  Sat Nov 12 07:03:23 2005
From: assaph at gmail.com (Assaph Mehr)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 23:03:23 +1100
Subject: [Instiki] Tagging
In-Reply-To: <174BAB0D-0532-4965-BBFC-2B81FBC0D965@mac.com>
References: <174BAB0D-0532-4965-BBFC-2B81FBC0D965@mac.com>
Message-ID: <3ff47be90511120403i8d150e0k6ac7558413990100@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/12/05, Rahul Sinha <rahulsinha at mac.com> wrote:
> Are there any plans to add category/tagging support to instiki?
> Is this something else that is better left to plugins? (If so, I have
> to see this plugin API!)

There is already some tagging functionality: You can add categories
for a page and then view pages in those categories. This is done by
writing "category: " at the start of a line plus a list of comma
separated categories.
For example:
category:ProjectA, Documentation
If you add a colon at the line start, the category line will not be
displayed, e.g.:
:category:work
You can tweak the way the category line is displayed with the Edit Web
-> Stylesheet Tweaks using the 'property' CSS class, e.g.:

.property {
  color: grey;
  font-size: 9px;
  text-align: right;
}

Read the docos at: http://instiki.org/show/WikiSyntax

HTH,
Assaph


From dpguest at bestweb.net  Sat Nov 12 11:43:27 2005
From: dpguest at bestweb.net (David Guest)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 11:43:27 -0500
Subject: [Instiki] HtML problem
Message-ID: <43761BAF.3070706@bestweb.net>

I am using instiki 10.2 and have tried the HTML export.  The export 
function never ends and does not ask me for the location to store the 
output.  It just sits with the hour glass forever ... however, the html 
is produced in a zip file in the storage folder?

Is this right?

And what happens if a remote user uses the HTML feature? Where does his 
output go? and will that leave the systems in hourglass eternity?

thanks and have a nice day...

David Guest

From alex at verk.info  Sun Nov 13 02:00:44 2005
From: alex at verk.info (Alexey Verkhovsky)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 01:00:44 -0600
Subject: [Instiki] Need help with packaging Instiki 0.11
Message-ID: <4376E49C.4020303@verk.info>

Dear all,

I need some help with Instiki 0.11 packaging.

Instiki trunk now sports a SQL-based backend. Which means that at the 
time of installation there must be a database present.

If you look at http://dev.instiki.org/changeset/418, you can see that 
Instiki trunk (that now sports SQL-based backend) is now equipped to run 
out of the box on Windows, using prepackaged SQLite3 binaries, an empty 
database and a shell script that adds the prepackaged libraries on the 
system path.

No doubt, the same can be easily achieved on a *nix, the only difference 
is the actual binaries and using LD_LIBRARY_PATH and/or SHLIB_PATH 
instead of PATH. Being completely Unix-deprived (don't have a Unix even 
in the office these days), I have to rely on other people's help to make 
it. So, if you have a Linux, please help me with this story.

Same story with a Mac.

Best regards,
Alexey Verkhovsky


From bart.masschelein at skynet.be  Sun Nov 13 09:17:57 2005
From: bart.masschelein at skynet.be (Bart Masschelein)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 15:17:57 +0100
Subject: [Instiki] About Instiki, I2, Pimki and grandmothers
In-Reply-To: <437438A9.4080106@verk.info>
References: <4373A043.3030008@skynet.be> <437438A9.4080106@verk.info>
Message-ID: <43774B15.6090304@skynet.be>

Interesting discussions... discovered for instance in the meantime 
Engines, how to configure fcgi correctly this time, and made a summary 
of this talk on

http://instiki.org/show/Instiki+Future+Directions

Have a look, and shoot.

bart.


Alexey Verkhovsky wrote:

>Bart Masschelein wrote:
>  
>
>>make one beats-them-all wiki. 
>>    
>>
>Personal and public wiki are different enough to be different projects. 
>One Beats Them All Wiki will inevitably end up a horrible feature bloat, 
>like PhpBB
>  
>
>>I'm more then willing to contribute in these effort, as I find them very 
>>useful, and probably will try it out myself. But I cannot do this on my 
>>own, and I dont want that in the end I've created a YAW.
>>    
>>
>Somebody told me recently that the right answer is: Submit Patches!
>So, Submit Patches! Submit Patches! Submit Patches! :)
>
>Alex
>
>_______________________________________________
>Instiki-users mailing list
>Instiki-users at rubyforge.org
>http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/instiki-users
>
>
>
>  
>

From alex at verk.info  Sun Nov 13 11:42:37 2005
From: alex at verk.info (Alexey Verkhovsky)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 10:42:37 -0600
Subject: [Instiki] About Instiki, I2, Pimki and grandmothers
In-Reply-To: <4374B59B.7090509@idlelion.net>
References: <4373A043.3030008@skynet.be> <4373F12D.1060300@shopwatch.org>
	<4374B59B.7090509@idlelion.net>
Message-ID: <43776CFD.1050802@verk.info>

Chris Schumann wrote:
> (My first post to this list, BTW.)
>   
Welcome!
> I'll pop my hand up to humbly ask for a login button on the login page. 
>   
Done (http://dev.instiki.org/changeset/424). The next release will have 
the button.

Alex


From assaph at gmail.com  Sun Nov 13 16:48:06 2005
From: assaph at gmail.com (Assaph Mehr)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 08:48:06 +1100
Subject: [Instiki] Need help with packaging Instiki 0.11
In-Reply-To: <4376E49C.4020303@verk.info>
References: <4376E49C.4020303@verk.info>
Message-ID: <3ff47be90511131348h5085f4efr73c62089a237c8d3@mail.gmail.com>

> I need some help with Instiki 0.11 packaging.

I can handle Linux (Ubuntu, plus anything else I can run on a Virtual PC).
I'll take a look at it later.

Cheers,
Assaph


From ngzax at comcast.net  Tue Nov 15 14:06:54 2005
From: ngzax at comcast.net (Daryl Richter)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:06:54 -0500
Subject: [Instiki] Instiki-AR installation problem
In-Reply-To: <2b1774520511110841k7a11b3d9t@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4373C470.9010300@comcast.net>
	<2b1774520511110841k7a11b3d9t@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <437A31CE.6090707@comcast.net>

BKR wrote:
> On how to setup AR-beta, go here pls
> 
> http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/instiki-users/2005-November/000404.html
> 

Thanks, this helps a bit.  But I am still confused as to why after I do:

     svn co http://svn.instiki.org/instiki/trunk instiki

The important files in /config or /db that are in your distribution are 
missing.  Where are you getting them from?

[snip]

-- 
Daryl

From bkr.nair at gmail.com  Tue Nov 15 21:32:31 2005
From: bkr.nair at gmail.com (BKR)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:02:31 +0530
Subject: [Instiki] Instiki-AR installation problem
In-Reply-To: <437A31CE.6090707@comcast.net>
References: <4373C470.9010300@comcast.net>
	<2b1774520511110841k7a11b3d9t@mail.gmail.com>
	<437A31CE.6090707@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <2b1774520511151832ie4d16aev@mail.gmail.com>

hi Daryl

could be more specific?
which files are mi sing for you?

svn trunk seems to work for me fine now.
even so , if you are having problems, check the mailing list. I
remember reading a mail about svn checkout trouble. you can also use
files from the instiki-AR.zip from instiki.org (btw rubyforge seems to
be down atm for me).

lemme know how it goes.

BKR

On 16/11/05, Daryl Richter <ngzax at comcast.net> wrote:
> BKR wrote:
> > On how to setup AR-beta, go here pls
> >
> > http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/instiki-users/2005-November/000404.html
> >
>
> Thanks, this helps a bit.  But I am still confused as to why after I do:
>
>      svn co http://svn.instiki.org/instiki/trunk instiki
>
> The important files in /config or /db that are in your distribution are
> missing.  Where are you getting them from?
>
> [snip]
>
> --
> Daryl
> _______________________________________________
> Instiki-users mailing list
> Instiki-users at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/instiki-users
>


From ez at brainspl.at  Wed Nov 16 11:58:48 2005
From: ez at brainspl.at (Ezra Zygmuntowicz)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:58:48 -0800
Subject: [Instiki] Instiki with lighttpd?
Message-ID: <C6AB91CE-1773-4795-95EB-9E83EA68C705@brainspl.at>

Hey there list-

	I have a question about running instiki-0.10.2 behind a lighttpd  
server with lighty's mod_proxy. Has anyone got this working and could  
share a config file? I have seen the running instiki as a website  
with the apache config files but I need it to run behind lighttpd.  
Here is the proxy config so far:

$HTTP["host"]=~"^wiki\.smarkets\.net" {

     proxy.server = ( "" => (
                         "" => (
                                  "host" => "127.0.0.1",
                                  "port" => 2500
                                   )
                            )
                     )
}

	And then I run ruby instiki to get instiki fired up. But the error I  
get is this:

Unknown web 'create_system'

when i go to this url: http://wiki.smarkets.net/

Help?

Cheers-
-Ezra


From assaph at gmail.com  Wed Nov 16 16:31:01 2005
From: assaph at gmail.com (Assaph Mehr)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:31:01 +1100
Subject: [Instiki] Instiki with lighttpd?
In-Reply-To: <C6AB91CE-1773-4795-95EB-9E83EA68C705@brainspl.at>
References: <C6AB91CE-1773-4795-95EB-9E83EA68C705@brainspl.at>
Message-ID: <3ff47be90511161331p142b3d67yb14f8ea4e3869b1d@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Ezra,


>         I have a question about running instiki-0.10.2 behind a lighttpd
> server with lighty's mod_proxy. Has anyone got this working and could
> share a config file? I have seen the running instiki as a website
> with the apache config files but I need it to run behind lighttpd.
> Here is the proxy config so far:
[snip]
> Unknown web 'create_system'
>
> when i go to this url: http://wiki.smarkets.net/

I know little of lighty's config files, but it seems like there is a
problem with the routing between the two. For some reason the request
for the system creation page is handled as if it's for an existing
web. Try opening a browser to http://localhost:2500/ to get at the
create_system page, create the system and the initial page and then
retry through the proxy.

HTH,
Assaph


From rahulsinha at mac.com  Thu Nov 17 21:31:41 2005
From: rahulsinha at mac.com (Rahul Sinha)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 21:31:41 -0500
Subject: [Instiki] adding Instiki.app (instiki v10.2) data to a remote 11.0
	installation
Message-ID: <41EE5ADE-EF04-4601-8A21-64C24F5764BE@mac.com>

I was wondering if there was any way to import the results of the  
10.2 export command (rather than having to upload to TxD the entire  
Instiki.app, the "2500" app preferences directory in order to run the  
script referred to in README) into a functioning Instiki-AR  
installation.

I don't know if the export format is in flux; are there any plans to  
"automate" the process further? (I'm thinking an upload page that  
pulls in the bundle and automatically propagates its content...)

Thanks
-RS



From rahulsinha at mac.com  Thu Nov 17 22:04:43 2005
From: rahulsinha at mac.com (Rahul Sinha)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 22:04:43 -0500
Subject: [Instiki] upgrading to 11.0 from 10.2
In-Reply-To: <41EE5ADE-EF04-4601-8A21-64C24F5764BE@mac.com>
References: <41EE5ADE-EF04-4601-8A21-64C24F5764BE@mac.com>
Message-ID: <492F7A4B-1FB9-4E90-8A4E-939D0B0EA439@mac.com>

What am I missing if this script can't find the redcloth module?  TxD  
must have it installed in their ruby setup...

% ./instiki/script/import_storage -t instiki-old/2500 -i instiki-old/ 
rb_src -d mysql -o instiki-data.sql
/users/home/quidire/web/public/instiki-old/rb_src/app/models/chunks/ 
engines.rb:3:in `require': No such file to load -- redcloth (LoadError)
         from /users/home/quidire/web/public/instiki-old/rb_src/app/ 
models/chunks/engines.rb:3
         from /users/home/quidire/web/public/instiki-old/rb_src/app/ 
models/wiki_content.rb:2:in `require'
         from /users/home/quidire/web/public/instiki-old/rb_src/app/ 
models/wiki_content.rb:2
         from /users/home/quidire/web/public/instiki-old/rb_src/app/ 
models/revision.rb:2:in `require'
         from /users/home/quidire/web/public/instiki-old/rb_src/app/ 
models/revision.rb:2
         from /users/home/quidire/web/public/instiki-old/rb_src/app/ 
models/page.rb:3:in `require'
         from /users/home/quidire/web/public/instiki-old/rb_src/app/ 
models/page.rb:3
         from /users/home/quidire/web/public/instiki-old/rb_src/app/ 
models/web.rb:2:in `require'
         from /users/home/quidire/web/public/instiki-old/rb_src/app/ 
models/web.rb:2
         from /users/home/quidire/web/public/instiki-old/rb_src/app/ 
models/wiki_service.rb:7:in `require'
         from /users/home/quidire/web/public/instiki-old/rb_src/app/ 
models/wiki_service.rb:7
         from ./instiki/script/import_storage:96:in `require'
         from ./instiki/script/import_storage:96

Any ideas?
-RS

On Nov 17, 2005, at 9:31 PM, Rahul Sinha wrote:

> I was wondering if there was any way to import the results of the
> 10.2 export command (rather than having to upload to TxD the entire
> Instiki.app, the "2500" app preferences directory in order to run the
> script referred to in README) into a functioning Instiki-AR
> installation.
>
> I don't know if the export format is in flux; are there any plans to
> "automate" the process further? (I'm thinking an upload page that
> pulls in the bundle and automatically propagates its content...)
>
> Thanks
> -RS
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Instiki-users mailing list
> Instiki-users at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/instiki-users
>


From deasach at gmail.com  Thu Nov 17 22:17:10 2005
From: deasach at gmail.com (Alan Macdougall)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:17:10 +1300
Subject: [Instiki] upgrading to 11.0 from 10.2
In-Reply-To: <492F7A4B-1FB9-4E90-8A4E-939D0B0EA439@mac.com>
References: <41EE5ADE-EF04-4601-8A21-64C24F5764BE@mac.com>
	<492F7A4B-1FB9-4E90-8A4E-939D0B0EA439@mac.com>
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Rahul:

On 11/18/05, Rahul Sinha <rahulsinha at mac.com> wrote:
>
> What am I missing if this script can't find the redcloth module? TxD
> must have it installed in their ruby setup...



I think I had this exact same problem (I mentioned it here a while back)

What I did (after extensive poking around in the code - interesting, as I
don't know any Ruby) was copy the file in my old instiki installation that I
was importing from:

/instiki/lib/redcloth_for_tex.rb

to

/instiki/lib/redcloth.rb
That seemed to do the trick.

Hope this helps!

Alan

--
B?onn caora dhubh ar an tr?ad is gile.
(There are black sheep in the brightest flocks.)

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From rahulsinha at mac.com  Thu Nov 17 23:08:11 2005
From: rahulsinha at mac.com (Rahul Sinha)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 23:08:11 -0500
Subject: [Instiki] upgrading to 11.0 from 10.2
In-Reply-To: <9323cd640511171917g7813eb89mb896f98df7c10703@mail.gmail.com>
References: <41EE5ADE-EF04-4601-8A21-64C24F5764BE@mac.com>
	<492F7A4B-1FB9-4E90-8A4E-939D0B0EA439@mac.com>
	<9323cd640511171917g7813eb89mb896f98df7c10703@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2CAB29C9-1CA4-474E-8B53-CA1A2F02AC6C@mac.com>

Thanks!

That worked like a charm; next time I'll try hitting the archives  
harder.

Now to decipher "execute the sql file in your database app" for mysql.

-RS

On Nov 17, 2005, at 10:17 PM, Alan Macdougall wrote:

> Rahul:
>
> On 11/18/05, Rahul Sinha <rahulsinha at mac.com> wrote:
> What am I missing if this script can't find the redcloth module?  TxD
> must have it installed in their ruby setup...
>
>
> I think I had this exact same problem (I mentioned it here a while  
> back)
>
> What I did (after extensive poking around in the code -  
> interesting, as I don't know any Ruby) was copy the file in my old  
> instiki installation that I was importing from:
>
> / instiki/lib/redcloth_for_tex.rb
>
> to
>
> /instiki/lib/redcloth.rb
>
> That seemed to do the trick.
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> Alan
>
> -- 
>                 B?onn caora dhubh ar an tr?ad is gile.
>           (There are black sheep in the brightest flocks.)
>
>                        <http://halfpie.net/>
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From ngzax at comcast.net  Fri Nov 18 08:29:58 2005
From: ngzax at comcast.net (Daryl Richter)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 08:29:58 -0500
Subject: [Instiki] Instiki-AR installation problem
In-Reply-To: <2b1774520511151832ie4d16aev@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4373C470.9010300@comcast.net>	
	<2b1774520511110841k7a11b3d9t@mail.gmail.com>	
	<437A31CE.6090707@comcast.net>
	<2b1774520511151832ie4d16aev@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <437DD756.6040001@comcast.net>

BKR wrote:
> hi Daryl
> 
> could be more specific?
> which files are mi sing for you?
>

Missing:

/config/database.default.yml

/db/pages.erbsql
/db/revisions.erbsql
/db/schema.postgre.sql
/db/system.erbsql
/db/webs.erbsql
/db/wiki_references.erbsql

In SVN, not in distribution:
/db/schema.rb

> svn trunk seems to work for me fine now.
> even so , if you are having problems, check the mailing list. I
> remember reading a mail about svn checkout trouble. you can also use
> files from the instiki-AR.zip from instiki.org (btw rubyforge seems to
> be down atm for me).
> 
> lemme know how it goes.

Thanks for all your help so far.  I am hoping to get fully set up so
that I can possibly contribute to the project.

> 
> BKR
> 

-- 
Daryl


From rahulsinha at mac.com  Fri Nov 18 16:01:13 2005
From: rahulsinha at mac.com (Rahul Sinha)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:01:13 -0500
Subject: [Instiki] Passwords
Message-ID: <A08C83B2-880E-4370-839B-F5CE3BF9446F@mac.com>

Hi there,

Well I've got my new Instiki-AR instance up, I've moved over all my  
10.2 content...

and now it rejects my system password.

I can use it on the old Instiki, I know I set up my new one  
appropriately, but it not only rejects that password but pretty much  
any password I could possibly have given it.

I'd rather not wipe the wiki and re-import... but does anyone have  
any other ways to get at that password?  I have access to the mysql  
database I-AR is using (obviously).

-RS

From rahulsinha at mac.com  Fri Nov 18 16:03:19 2005
From: rahulsinha at mac.com (Rahul Sinha)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:03:19 -0500
Subject: [Instiki] Proxies
Message-ID: <22B33940-F2C1-4816-A501-CBD4FE0ACE78@mac.com>

So I setup a proxy to my instiki instance, and it works... sort of.

if I type in http://domain:2500 (well 2502, but that's not  
important), I can access the wiki
if I type in http://domain/notes, well Instiki gets contact in that  
the url becomes
http://domain/notes/show/HomePage... but then I get
Internal Error

An application erro occurred while processing your request.

I have no idea how to debug that error.

-RS

From assaph at gmail.com  Fri Nov 18 16:12:57 2005
From: assaph at gmail.com (Assaph Mehr)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 08:12:57 +1100
Subject: [Instiki] Instiki-AR installation problem
In-Reply-To: <437DD756.6040001@comcast.net>
References: <4373C470.9010300@comcast.net>
	<2b1774520511110841k7a11b3d9t@mail.gmail.com>
	<437A31CE.6090707@comcast.net>
	<2b1774520511151832ie4d16aev@mail.gmail.com>
	<437DD756.6040001@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <3ff47be90511181312g5fffb83fn8bc431abdc796de6@mail.gmail.com>

HI Daryl,

> Missing:
[snip]

> In SVN, not in distribution:
> /db/schema.rb

I believe Alexey is in the middle of updating the SVN mainline, and
it's not working exactly the same as the beta. For example, schema.rb
is a better way of defining the DB schema and it replaces the .erbsql
files.

I suggest you use the instiki-ar zip file and wait a bit until the
mainline is ready for general consupmtion.

Cheers,
Assaph


From assaph at gmail.com  Fri Nov 18 16:14:08 2005
From: assaph at gmail.com (Assaph Mehr)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 08:14:08 +1100
Subject: [Instiki] Passwords
In-Reply-To: <A08C83B2-880E-4370-839B-F5CE3BF9446F@mac.com>
References: <A08C83B2-880E-4370-839B-F5CE3BF9446F@mac.com>
Message-ID: <3ff47be90511181314w4cc70e0frd0feaab72d69dc6d@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Rahul,


> and now it rejects my system password.

Try looking at the system table.


From rahulsinha at mac.com  Fri Nov 18 16:17:28 2005
From: rahulsinha at mac.com (Rahul Sinha)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:17:28 -0500
Subject: [Instiki] Categories and weird behavior by "all pages"
Message-ID: <84E7A09F-0EFC-4794-8D66-E71537A418A0@mac.com>

I know, lots of posts... just thought I'd air all the problems while  
they are fresh...

Well I placed a category tag on two pages, to try it out.
If I click on All Pages I see:
Categories:[Any] restaurant
(no problem there of course)

and see all the pages of my wiki below.  (So far so good)

If I click on "restaurant"... nothing happens.  I still see:
Categories:[Any] restaurant

althought the page did reload.

All this is a problem for "Recently Revised" as well.

Nothing I do can get the category-only listing (which I have gotten  
before, at one point)

-RS

From rahulsinha at mac.com  Fri Nov 18 16:30:25 2005
From: rahulsinha at mac.com (Rahul Sinha)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:30:25 -0500
Subject: [Instiki] Passwords
In-Reply-To: <3ff47be90511181314w4cc70e0frd0feaab72d69dc6d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <A08C83B2-880E-4370-839B-F5CE3BF9446F@mac.com>
	<3ff47be90511181314w4cc70e0frd0feaab72d69dc6d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C44AFF2D-74CA-4150-94A3-15D5C21F28DE@mac.com>

Hey, I did so... there was no password there!!!

I added one in, it worked fine.  Not too hard, but how did the wiki  
manage to get setup w/o a system password... oh nm...

-RS

On Nov 18 2005, at 4:14 PM, Assaph Mehr wrote:
 > Hi Rahul,
 >
 >
 >> and now it rejects my system password.
 >
 > Try looking at the system table.




From rahulsinha at mac.com  Fri Nov 18 16:34:53 2005
From: rahulsinha at mac.com (Rahul Sinha)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:34:53 -0500
Subject: [Instiki] RAM use
Message-ID: <0FA45332-0109-4F00-8EBC-587A905D6607@mac.com>

Instiki has been having problems getting RAM on the server I host it  
on.  Placing a support ticket I got the following reply:
<snip>
We don't have limit RAM or CPU usage per account, but instead per  
process. The limit for RAM for a single process is 48MB active, 80MB  
swap. We also limit customers to 20 concurrent processes at a time.

  Your Instiki instance is only using nearly 39MB of active memory,  
and nearly 64MB of swap space. Not quite bumping the limits, but  
close. I'm not sure what you're doing with your Instiki exactly, but  
the typical instance tends to consume less than 5MB of active memory  
and less than 20MB (closer to 10MB or 15MB) of swap.
<snip>

Why would there be such a dramatic difference? It's not that big a  
wiki; straight from the horse's mouth:

All content: 134807 chars / approx. 59.0 printed pages

How can that be taking up:
41511 <user>       106   10 64560K 40748K select 0   0:11  0.00%   
0.00% ruby

the execution string is:
ruby instiki --port=2502 --environment=production --daemon

-RS

From rahulsinha at mac.com  Fri Nov 18 16:37:21 2005
From: rahulsinha at mac.com (Rahul Sinha)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:37:21 -0500
Subject: [Instiki] RAM use
In-Reply-To: <0FA45332-0109-4F00-8EBC-587A905D6607@mac.com>
References: <0FA45332-0109-4F00-8EBC-587A905D6607@mac.com>
Message-ID: <05760B17-A0E6-451F-88D0-6B0D7E50C731@mac.com>

As a followup, that RAM level was with one open connection (or brower  
window at any rate)

I opened 5 more in quick succession, to different pages (hardly an  
unreasonable level of use, to have 5-6 simultaneous hits)...

That drove instiki over 48MB, and it got automatically shutdown...

-RS
On Nov 18 2005, at 4:34 PM, Rahul Sinha wrote:

> Instiki has been having problems getting RAM on the server I host it
> on.  Placing a support ticket I got the following reply:
> <snip>
> We don't have limit RAM or CPU usage per account, but instead per
> process. The limit for RAM for a single process is 48MB active, 80MB
> swap. We also limit customers to 20 concurrent processes at a time.
>
>   Your Instiki instance is only using nearly 39MB of active memory,
> and nearly 64MB of swap space. Not quite bumping the limits, but
> close. I'm not sure what you're doing with your Instiki exactly, but
> the typical instance tends to consume less than 5MB of active memory
> and less than 20MB (closer to 10MB or 15MB) of swap.
> <snip>
>
> Why would there be such a dramatic difference? It's not that big a
> wiki; straight from the horse's mouth:
>
> All content: 134807 chars / approx. 59.0 printed pages
>
> How can that be taking up:
> 41511 <user>       106   10 64560K 40748K select 0   0:11  0.00%
> 0.00% ruby
>
> the execution string is:
> ruby instiki --port=2502 --environment=production --daemon
>
> -RS
> _______________________________________________
> Instiki-users mailing list
> Instiki-users at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/instiki-users


From rahulsinha at mac.com  Fri Nov 18 16:48:36 2005
From: rahulsinha at mac.com (Rahul Sinha)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:48:36 -0500
Subject: [Instiki] RAM use
In-Reply-To: <05760B17-A0E6-451F-88D0-6B0D7E50C731@mac.com>
References: <0FA45332-0109-4F00-8EBC-587A905D6607@mac.com>
	<05760B17-A0E6-451F-88D0-6B0D7E50C731@mac.com>
Message-ID: <D18D057A-49D5-423C-8828-24416D42C657@mac.com>

As a further followup, if I take Instiki into an edit window
then in a terminal kill instiki and restart it (putting it at roughly  
35 MB use)
and then click cancel edit in the browser window (the only browser  
open to the wiki)
the ram use will spiral up to 48MB and then get automatically  
terminated.

-RS
On Nov 18 2005, at 4:37 PM, Rahul Sinha wrote:

> As a followup, that RAM level was with one open connection (or brower
> window at any rate)
>
> I opened 5 more in quick succession, to different pages (hardly an
> unreasonable level of use, to have 5-6 simultaneous hits)...
>
> That drove instiki over 48MB, and it got automatically shutdown...
>
> -RS
> On Nov 18 2005, at 4:34 PM, Rahul Sinha wrote:
>
>> Instiki has been having problems getting RAM on the server I host it
>> on.  Placing a support ticket I got the following reply:
>> <snip>
>> We don't have limit RAM or CPU usage per account, but instead per
>> process. The limit for RAM for a single process is 48MB active, 80MB
>> swap. We also limit customers to 20 concurrent processes at a time.
>>
>>   Your Instiki instance is only using nearly 39MB of active memory,
>> and nearly 64MB of swap space. Not quite bumping the limits, but
>> close. I'm not sure what you're doing with your Instiki exactly, but
>> the typical instance tends to consume less than 5MB of active memory
>> and less than 20MB (closer to 10MB or 15MB) of swap.
>> <snip>
>>
>> Why would there be such a dramatic difference? It's not that big a
>> wiki; straight from the horse's mouth:
>>
>> All content: 134807 chars / approx. 59.0 printed pages
>>
>> How can that be taking up:
>> 41511 <user>       106   10 64560K 40748K select 0   0:11  0.00%
>> 0.00% ruby
>>
>> the execution string is:
>> ruby instiki --port=2502 --environment=production --daemon
>>
>> -RS
>> _______________________________________________
>> Instiki-users mailing list
>> Instiki-users at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/instiki-users
>
> _______________________________________________
> Instiki-users mailing list
> Instiki-users at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/instiki-users


From rahulsinha at mac.com  Fri Nov 18 17:44:01 2005
From: rahulsinha at mac.com (Rahul Sinha)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 17:44:01 -0500
Subject: [Instiki] Categories and Tagging
In-Reply-To: <3ff47be90511120403i8d150e0k6ac7558413990100@mail.gmail.com>
References: <174BAB0D-0532-4965-BBFC-2B81FBC0D965@mac.com>
	<3ff47be90511120403i8d150e0k6ac7558413990100@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0E95ADD9-811A-4D31-9A77-6D4647595832@mac.com>

If people do want "semantic awareness" in Instiki, how about the  
following as a set of behaviours:
1) there are two semantic namespaces - Categories and Tags
	a) Categories are a classification distinction.  Each Category can  
have its own style sheet, and can define custom fields.
	b) Tags are content descriptions.  They are not strict subsets of  
categories.
2) for the purposes of export and import tags and categories are text  
markup
	a) if there is any categorisation or tagging, the relevant markup  
must occur in the first two lines.
	b) the form is of [tags|category]: <value>(, <value>)*
	c) the intraInstiki interface can parse these indicators, but has an  
alternate system for general use.

Take a page that is a restaurant review.  It might be of category  
Restaurant Review, which defines (among other things) the custom  
field Rating as a numerical field with the range 0-5 (0 representing  
no rating).  It might have tags that indicate who has gone there,  
where it is located, etc.

Another page, regarding an event that occurred for Armistice Day, may  
be categorised Event, but still be tagged with the same location, etc  
etc

The mockups are follow: (I'm no artist, these are execrable examples  
of Photoshopping)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/48600070624 at N01/64597754/in/set-1394772/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/48600070624 at N01/64597755/in/set-1394772/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/48600070624 at N01/64597756/in/set-1394772/

-RS

On Nov 12 2005, at 7:03 AM, Assaph Mehr wrote:

> On 11/12/05, Rahul Sinha <rahulsinha at mac.com> wrote:
>> Are there any plans to add category/tagging support to instiki?
>> Is this something else that is better left to plugins? (If so, I have
>> to see this plugin API!)
>
> There is already some tagging functionality: You can add categories
> for a page and then view pages in those categories. This is done by
> writing "category: " at the start of a line plus a list of comma
> separated categories.
> For example:
> category:ProjectA, Documentation
> If you add a colon at the line start, the category line will not be
> displayed, e.g.:
> :category:work
> You can tweak the way the category line is displayed with the Edit Web
> -> Stylesheet Tweaks using the 'property' CSS class, e.g.:
>
> .property {
>   color: grey;
>   font-size: 9px;
>   text-align: right;
> }
>
> Read the docos at: http://instiki.org/show/WikiSyntax
>
> HTH,
> Assaph
>
> _______________________________________________
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From ngzax at comcast.net  Thu Nov 24 11:15:17 2005
From: ngzax at comcast.net (Daryl Richter)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 11:15:17 -0500
Subject: [Instiki] Instiki-AR installation problem
In-Reply-To: <CCF03738-388D-442C-86B1-9E3D102352E9@gmail.com>
References: <4373C470.9010300@comcast.net>	
	<2b1774520511110841k7a11b3d9t@mail.gmail.com>	
	<437A31CE.6090707@comcast.net>
	<2b1774520511151832ie4d16aev@mail.gmail.com>
	<437DD756.6040001@comcast.net>
	<CCF03738-388D-442C-86B1-9E3D102352E9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4385E715.4040807@comcast.net>

John Evans wrote:
> So did u get an answer to resolve this, I am having problems with cvs  
> checkout too
>

I did, though I thought it was to the list too. They are working on it. 
  I haven't had time to check it out recently myself, but it sounds from 
you like it's not quite ready yet.

> john
> 
> On 18 Nov 2005, at 15:29, Daryl Richter wrote:
> 

[snip]

-- 
Daryl

From eitan-keyword-deux.352d02 at u2d.com  Fri Nov 25 12:34:41 2005
From: eitan-keyword-deux.352d02 at u2d.com (Eitan Suez)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 11:34:41 -0600
Subject: [Instiki] HTML Export Followup..
Message-ID: <1132940081.21735.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hello,

  I just joined the list.  Looking at the Nov archives I
  noticed someone mentioning problems with the HTML export
  feature.

  1. I'd like to corroborate that:  i'm getting the same
   behavior.  the zip file is created in the storage area
   but not delivered properly to a client making the request
   from the web page.

  2. i looked at the contents of the zipped file.  here are
     two problems i noticed:

   a. sidebar links are not resolved to static links
    (and therefore fail)
   b. the css file is embedded into each html file;
    that really bloats the static content;  i would much
    prefer dumping the .css file into the .zip file and
    <link rel>'ing it from the html files.

  3. in general, i'm interested in the html export feature
  to publish a static version of the content;  that is
  i'm interested in instiki as a means for easily producing
  read-only web content, not for live/online collaboration.

  i hope this feedback helps.  sorry i'm still at the moment
  too much of a ruby/ror newbie to actually correct these
  problems myself.  if i do find the time to ramp up, i will
  submit patches.

thank you for a wonderful product,

sincerely,
/ eitan


From abosley at mac.com  Sat Nov 26 13:52:48 2005
From: abosley at mac.com (Aaron Bosley)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 13:52:48 -0500
Subject: [Instiki] Error installing Instiki-AR
Message-ID: <C91A6020-3E77-4AFB-B243-4245D5EFA9C3@mac.com>


I'm attempting to install Inistiki-AR-Beta1.
I'm getting the following error when executing /script/create_db.rb

/Users/boz/work/instiki-ar/vendor/rails/activerecord/lib/ 
active_record/connection_adapters/abstract_adapter.rb:77:in  
`establish_connection': development database is not configured  
(ActiveRecord::AdapterNotSpecified)
         from /Users/boz/work/instiki-ar/vendor/rails/activerecord/ 
lib/active_record/connection_adapters/abstract_adapter.rb:70:in  
`establish_connection'
         from /Users/boz/work/instiki-ar/script/../config/ 
environment.rb:69
         from ./script/create_db:5:in `require'
         from ./script/create_db:5

I've using Ruby 1.8.2, Rails v0.14.3, MySQL 4.1.12 on OS X 10.4.3.

I ran gem update before attempting the install.  Any ideas?

TIA,

Aaron

From assaph at gmail.com  Sat Nov 26 14:31:40 2005
From: assaph at gmail.com (Assaph Mehr)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 06:31:40 +1100
Subject: [Instiki] Error installing Instiki-AR
In-Reply-To: <C91A6020-3E77-4AFB-B243-4245D5EFA9C3@mac.com>
References: <C91A6020-3E77-4AFB-B243-4245D5EFA9C3@mac.com>
Message-ID: <3ff47be90511261131h73e9285bg460f6b8bcc502fee@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

> I'm attempting to install Inistiki-AR-Beta1.
> I'm getting the following error when executing /script/create_db.rb

Make sure you rename <instiki-install-dir>config/database.default.yml
to database.yml and edit the configuration to match the MySQL database
(the default is for SQLite; IIRC there are examples for MySQL).

HTH,
Assaph


From stratinfo at gmail.com  Sat Nov 26 21:11:01 2005
From: stratinfo at gmail.com (Bill Berry)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 18:11:01 -0800
Subject: [Instiki] Error installing Instiki-AR
In-Reply-To: <C91A6020-3E77-4AFB-B243-4245D5EFA9C3@mac.com>
References: <C91A6020-3E77-4AFB-B243-4245D5EFA9C3@mac.com>
Message-ID: <a6704430511261811s197cff85if8e247513277d18c@mail.gmail.com>

I didn't see your specific problem when installing, but
http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/instiki-users/2005-September/000302.html
provides useful info regarding installing Instiki-AR to work with
MySQL.

On 11/26/05, Aaron Bosley <abosley at mac.com> wrote:
>
> I'm attempting to install Inistiki-AR-Beta1.
> I'm getting the following error when executing /script/create_db.rb
>
> /Users/boz/work/instiki-ar/vendor/rails/activerecord/lib/
> active_record/connection_adapters/abstract_adapter.rb:77:in
> `establish_connection': development database is not configured
> (ActiveRecord::AdapterNotSpecified)
>          from /Users/boz/work/instiki-ar/vendor/rails/activerecord/
> lib/active_record/connection_adapters/abstract_adapter.rb:70:in
> `establish_connection'
>          from /Users/boz/work/instiki-ar/script/../config/
> environment.rb:69
>          from ./script/create_db:5:in `require'
>          from ./script/create_db:5
>
> I've using Ruby 1.8.2, Rails v0.14.3, MySQL 4.1.12 on OS X 10.4.3.
>
> I ran gem update before attempting the install.  Any ideas?
>
> TIA,
>
> Aaron
> _______________________________________________
> Instiki-users mailing list
> Instiki-users at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/instiki-users
>


From wbarwell at mylinuxisp.com  Mon Nov 28 00:18:15 2005
From: wbarwell at mylinuxisp.com (wbarwell)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 23:18:15 -0600
Subject: [Instiki] Install woes
Message-ID: <438A9317.4010208@mylinuxisp.com>

I am having trouble getting instiwiki to work.

What I did.  I am using Mandrake 10.1, so I started
with urpmi ruby.  This installed.

 From the console, ruby -v tells me I have ruby 1.8.1.

I next downloaded Instiki .10.2 and put in /home/user1/instiki.
I untared it, and  I ran chmod -R 755 *. 

 From a root console I ran ruby instiki.  I saw a long
list of install files, so something ran.

I then fired up Opera and tried localhost:2500.   No connection.
I get an error message.
Could not connect to remote server

You tried to access the address http://localhost:2500/,
which is currently unavailable. Please make sure that
the Web address (URL) is correctly spelled and punctuated,
 then try reloading the page.

I checked my hosts file and all seems well, I have user1, localhost, 
127.0.0.1
there.

I have CUPs at :631 and I have Webmin at :10000 and
both work.

What would I look at next?  Where should I have unzipped
instiwiki? User home directory, elsewhere?

What permissions should it have?
What could I be overlooking or doing wrong?

I tried moving it all to /opt/, making sure root owned all
of it and changed permissions to 755.
Nothing changes.

Since CUPs and Webmin work,it has to be my instiwiki install.


Any help is most welcome.

W. C. Barwell

From eitan-keyword-deux.352d02 at u2d.com  Mon Nov 28 09:20:32 2005
From: eitan-keyword-deux.352d02 at u2d.com (Eitan Suez)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 08:20:32 -0600
Subject: [Instiki] Install woes
In-Reply-To: <438A9317.4010208@mylinuxisp.com>
References: <438A9317.4010208@mylinuxisp.com>
Message-ID: <02C0B242-E3F2-4A10-869E-C86846544587@u2d.com>

hello,
   i would suggest installing rubygems and using
   gem to install instiki. maybe some dependencies
   are missing.  look for an error message in the output
   produced after you ran instiki.
thanks, eitan

On Nov 27, 2005, at 11:18 PM, wbarwell wrote:

> I am having trouble getting instiwiki to work.
>
> What I did.  I am using Mandrake 10.1, so I started
> with urpmi ruby.  This installed.
>
>  From the console, ruby -v tells me I have ruby 1.8.1.
>
> I next downloaded Instiki .10.2 and put in /home/user1/instiki.
> I untared it, and  I ran chmod -R 755 *.
>
>  From a root console I ran ruby instiki.  I saw a long
> list of install files, so something ran.
>
> I then fired up Opera and tried localhost:2500.   No connection.
> I get an error message.
> Could not connect to remote server
>
> You tried to access the address http://localhost:2500/,
> which is currently unavailable. Please make sure that
> the Web address (URL) is correctly spelled and punctuated,
>  then try reloading the page.
>
> I checked my hosts file and all seems well, I have user1, localhost,
> 127.0.0.1
> there.
>
> I have CUPs at :631 and I have Webmin at :10000 and
> both work.
>
> What would I look at next?  Where should I have unzipped
> instiwiki? User home directory, elsewhere?
>
> What permissions should it have?
> What could I be overlooking or doing wrong?
>
> I tried moving it all to /opt/, making sure root owned all
> of it and changed permissions to 755.
> Nothing changes.
>
> Since CUPs and Webmin work,it has to be my instiwiki install.
>

From alex at satoridesign.com  Mon Nov 28 13:42:00 2005
From: alex at satoridesign.com (Alex Pukinskis)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:42:00 -0400
Subject: [Instiki] installation dependencies on windows
Message-ID: <20051128184200.M92111@satoridesign.com>

Looking forward to an easy-to-setup wiki, I downloaded the one-click Ruby
1.8.2 installer for windows, ran it, and then downloaded and unzipped instiki
0.10.2.  When I opened the command line and tried to run instiki, I got a
string of error messages around "no such file to load: active_support".  I
tried the instiki-ar release; same error.  I went ahead and did gem install
rails, and tried again, but continued to get dependency errors - it couldn't
find RedCloth.  Installed that one, and then it wanted Madeleine.  Now it's
complaining that RedCloth is version 3.0.4, not 3.0.3.

Since this experience differs so wildly from the advertised "two-step" install
with no dependencies, I must be doing something wrong.  What is it?  I'm
running Windows XP Pro SP2; I have never done anything with Ruby on this
machine before.

Thanks,

-Alex

From junk.3eyes at gmail.com  Mon Nov 28 17:42:57 2005
From: junk.3eyes at gmail.com (John Evans)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 00:42:57 +0200
Subject: [Instiki] instiki vs. mod_proxy
In-Reply-To: <438A9317.4010208@mylinuxisp.com>
References: <438A9317.4010208@mylinuxisp.com>
Message-ID: <380D0895-6831-4019-97F2-154814226165@gmail.com>

Ok, so this has been killing me today.

I have an instiki install running on a machine. It has multiple webs  
(about 12 I believe), each web is a separate project, some have just  
editable pages, other webs have published and editable. Basically the  
instiki install is a mini project server for making notes and such.  
It works like a dream :)

Now here is the thing, because there are several projects there are  
occasions where we want to publish using a specific url that points  
directly to published pages, or an editable web, which is no problem  
right up until I want to point to a specific web that is editable.

So I google around and find two options, proxypass, and mod_rewrite

Mod_rewrite tends to half work but isn't what I want so I stick with  
proxy pass so I can keep all my virtual-hosts in one place. So after  
gluing a few things together I now have something like this.

<Virtualhost *:80>
     	ServerName oeresund.not-yet-become.net
	ServerAlias oeresund.not-yet-become.net
	RewriteEngine On
	RewriteRule ^/oeresund/(.*)$ http://oeresund.not-yet-become.net/$1 [L]
	ProxyPass /images http://127.0.0.1:2500/images/
	ProxyPass /javascripts http://127.0.0.1:2500/javascripts/
	ProxyPass /stylesheets http://127.0.0.1:2500/stylesheets/
     	ProxyPass / http://127.0.0.1:2500/oeresund/
     	ProxyPassReverse / http://127.0.0.1:2500/oeresund/
</Virtualhost>


Basically requests for a specific domain name go through the proxy,  
but I have to account for the 'special' urls. So we proxy differently  
for stylesheets, JS and images (if any). Ah but then some urls have  
the web name in them, others don't, ok no worries we know what we  
don't want, so strip those out with a quick rewrite. Ok we have  
something that is working for pretty much everything.

But now an issue, if I go to edit a page I get this when I save

"cannot convert nil into String"

Any ideas, you can try it at http://oeresund.not-yet-become.net, if  
someone can tell me what is going on here and point to a fix that  
would be good.

Any help on this much appreciated

john

P.S. Seen as getting instiki on port 80 is a fairly frequent request  
might I also make a suggestion; with multiple webs it would be good  
if all urls had a constant root and naming scheme. Right now some  
urls have the web name in them, others dont, some resolve to root,  
others are relative. It should be pretty trivial to sort these out  
and also to setup the css/javascript/images to pass through the url  
schema. So for example this would work.

http://localhost:2500/web_name/css/instiki.css
http://localhost:2500/web_name/javascript/generic.js
etc...

From junk.3eyes at gmail.com  Mon Nov 28 17:43:02 2005
From: junk.3eyes at gmail.com (John Evans)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 00:43:02 +0200
Subject: [Instiki] instiki-ar timeframe
Message-ID: <A25B5C6D-EEC9-4ECA-B7A9-F4BC7A1D7D51@gmail.com>

Hi, I have a fairly large wiki which is becoming very slow, storage  
tops over 600 mb now :(

I am very aware of instiki-ar but I am holding off transitioning to  
mysql or sqlite untill its actually released, espesially as when I  
checked out the latest SVN it didnt match up to any instructions I  
could find, as has been documented here on the list before.

So basically a simple question, what is the time frame on this one? A  
week, two, four? No pressure intended, I am just wondering if I  
should make do for a few more weeks or not.

cheers

john

From karl-konig.konigsson at micronic.se  Tue Nov 29 05:56:45 2005
From: karl-konig.konigsson at micronic.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Karl-K=F6nig_K=F6nigsson?=)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:56:45 +0100
Subject: [Instiki] installation dependencies on windows
Message-ID: <794FFE525A416E459B73E51DF9A927A652EAF5@mailserver01.miclaser.net>

Looks like you are missing the RubyOnRails parts that are absolutely essential.

Perhaps is your best bet to get rid of your previous installation and start anew. Install ruby from scratch and then install instiki with gem instead:

	gem install instiki --include-dependencies

This should take care of all dependencies for you and get your Ruby installation ready for instiki.

I just did this and all I had to do once the installations were done was to enter "instiki" on the command line. I then browsed to localhost:2500 and got a nice instiki setup window -- exactly as advertised!


Cheers,


	Karl-Koenig Koenigsson

> -----Original Message-----
> From: instiki-users-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:instiki-users-
> bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Alex Pukinskis
> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 7:42 PM
> To: instiki-users at rubyforge.org
> Subject: [Instiki] installation dependencies on windows
> 
> Looking forward to an easy-to-setup wiki, I downloaded the one-click Ruby
> 1.8.2 installer for windows, ran it, and then downloaded and unzipped
> instiki
> 0.10.2.  When I opened the command line and tried to run instiki, I got a
> string of error messages around "no such file to load: active_support".  I
> tried the instiki-ar release; same error.  I went ahead and did gem
> install
> rails, and tried again, but continued to get dependency errors - it
> couldn't
> find RedCloth.  Installed that one, and then it wanted Madeleine.  Now
> it's
> complaining that RedCloth is version 3.0.4, not 3.0.3.
> 
> Since this experience differs so wildly from the advertised "two-step"
> install
> with no dependencies, I must be doing something wrong.  What is it?  I'm
> running Windows XP Pro SP2; I have never done anything with Ruby on this
> machine before.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> -Alex
> _______________________________________________
> Instiki-users mailing list
> Instiki-users at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/instiki-users


From alex at satoridesign.com  Tue Nov 29 11:25:54 2005
From: alex at satoridesign.com (Alex Pukinskis)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:25:54 -0400
Subject: [Instiki] installation dependencies on windows
Message-ID: <20051129162554.M89883@satoridesign.com>

Thanks, this worked well.  The Windows Installation instructions on the
website should be updated; right now, the instructions insist there's no need
to worry about dependencies. ("The only prerequisite to Instiki installation
is a computer with Ruby version 1.8.1 or greater").  In fact, there are many
dependencies that doing the gem install takes care of; the download approach
suggested in the user guide simply does not work.

-Alex


On 11/29/05, Karl-K?nig K?nigsson <karl-konig.konigsson at micronic.se> wrote:
> Looks like you are missing the RubyOnRails parts that are absolutely essential.
> 
> Perhaps is your best bet to get rid of your previous installation and start
anew. Install ruby from scratch and then install instiki with gem instead:
> 
>         gem install instiki --include-dependencies
> 
> This should take care of all dependencies for you and get your Ruby
installation ready for instiki.
> 
> I just did this and all I had to do once the installations were done was to
enter "instiki" on the command line. I then browsed to localhost:2500 and got
a nice instiki setup window -- exactly as advertised!
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 
>         Karl-Koenig Koenigsson
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: instiki-users-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:instiki-users-
> > bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Alex Pukinskis
> > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 7:42 PM
> > To: instiki-users at rubyforge.org
> > Subject: [Instiki] installation dependencies on windows
> >
> > Looking forward to an easy-to-setup wiki, I downloaded the one-click Ruby
> > 1.8.2 installer for windows, ran it, and then downloaded and unzipped
> > instiki
> > 0.10.2.  When I opened the command line and tried to run instiki, I got a
> > string of error messages around "no such file to load: active_support".  I
> > tried the instiki-ar release; same error.  I went ahead and did gem
> > install
> > rails, and tried again, but continued to get dependency errors - it
> > couldn't
> > find RedCloth.  Installed that one, and then it wanted Madeleine.  Now
> > it's
> > complaining that RedCloth is version 3.0.4, not 3.0.3.
> >
> > Since this experience differs so wildly from the advertised "two-step"
> > install
> > with no dependencies, I must be doing something wrong.  What is it?  I'm
> > running Windows XP Pro SP2; I have never done anything with Ruby on this
> > machine before.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > -Alex
> > _______________________________________________
> > Instiki-users mailing list
> > Instiki-users at rubyforge.org
> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/instiki-users
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Instiki-users mailing list
> Instiki-users at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/instiki-users
> 



From stratinfo at gmail.com  Tue Nov 29 13:09:50 2005
From: stratinfo at gmail.com (Bill Berry)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 10:09:50 -0800
Subject: [Instiki] Export Error
Message-ID: <a6704430511291009u3395f919y162291b6b5b8a3d9@mail.gmail.com>

When Export is selected from the top Instiki menu, I get the following
error message:

>>Internal Error 500
>>
>>An application error occurred while processing your request.

I'm using the latest Instiki-AR release and it otherwise works great.

Has anyone come across this before?

Thx,

Bill


From stratinfo at gmail.com  Tue Nov 29 13:50:21 2005
From: stratinfo at gmail.com (Bill Berry)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 10:50:21 -0800
Subject: [Instiki] Export Error
In-Reply-To: <a6704430511291009u3395f919y162291b6b5b8a3d9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a6704430511291009u3395f919y162291b6b5b8a3d9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a6704430511291050l73ce4fb7l424041f672c33645@mail.gmail.com>

More info from production.log:

Processing WikiController#export (for 67.180.73.181 at 2005-11-29
13:45:55) [GET]
  Parameters: {"action"=>"export", "controller"=>"wiki", "web"=>"tech"}
Rendering  within layouts/default
Rendering wiki/export


ActionView::TemplateError (uninitialized constant OPTIONS) on line #8
of app/views/wiki/export.rhtml:
5: <ul id="feedsList">
6:   <li><%= link_to 'HTML', :web => @web.address, :action =>
'export_html' %></li>
7:   <li><%= link_to "Markup (#{@web.markup.to_s.capitalize})", :web
=> @web.address, :action => 'export_markup' %></li>
8: <% if OPTIONS[:pdflatex] && @web.markup == :textile %>
9:   <li><%= link_to 'TeX', :web => @web.address, :action =>
'export_tex' %></li>
10:   <li><%= link_to 'PDF', :web => @web.address, :action =>
'export_pdf' %></li>
11: <% end %>

    /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/activesupport-1.2.3/lib/active_support/dependencies.rb:195:in
`const_missing'
    #{RAILS_ROOT}/app/views//wiki/export.rhtml:8
    /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionpack-1.11.0/lib/action_view/base.rb:269:in
`compile_and_render_template'
    /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionpack-1.11.0/lib/action_view/base.rb:245:in
`render_template'
    /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionpack-1.11.0/lib/action_view/base.rb:206:in
`render_file'
    /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionpack-1.11.0/lib/action_controller/base.rb:643:in
`render_file'
    /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionpack-1.11.0/lib/action_controller/base.rb:583:in
`render_with_no_layout'
    /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionpack-1.11.0/lib/action_controller/layout.rb:218:in
`render_without_benchmark'
    /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionpack-1.11.0/lib/action_controller/benchmarking.rb:53:in
`render'
    /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/benchmark.rb:293:in `measure'
    /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionpack-1.11.0/lib/action_controller/benchmarking.rb:53:in
`render'
    /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionpack-1.11.0/lib/action_controller/base.rb:844:in
`perform_action_without_filters'
    /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionpack-1.11.0/lib/action_controller/filters.rb:332:in
`perform_action_without_benchmark'
    /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionpack-1.11.0/lib/action_controller/benchmarking.rb:69:in
`perform_action_without_rescue'
    /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/benchmark.rb:293:in `measure'
    /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionpack-1.11.0/lib/action_controller/benchmarking.rb:69:in
`perform_action_without_rescue'
    /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionpack-1.11.0/lib/action_controller/rescue.rb:82:in
`perform_action'
    /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionpack-1.11.0/lib/action_controller/base.rb:365:in
`process_without_session_management_support'
    /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/actionpack-1.11.0/lib/action_controller/session_management.rb:116:in
`process'
    /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/rails-0.14.3/lib/dispatcher.rb:38:in `dispatch'
    /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/rails-0.14.3/lib/fcgi_handler.rb:141:in
`process_request'
    /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/rails-0.14.3/lib/fcgi_handler.rb:53:in
`process!'
    /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fcgi-0.8.6.1/./fcgi.rb:600:in `each_cgi'
    /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fcgi-0.8.6.1/./fcgi.rb:597:in `each_cgi'
    /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/rails-0.14.3/lib/fcgi_handler.rb:52:in
`process!'
    /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/rails-0.14.3/lib/fcgi_handler.rb:22:in
`process!'
    dispatch.fcgi:24



On 11/29/05, Bill Berry <stratinfo at gmail.com> wrote:
> When Export is selected from the top Instiki menu, I get the following
> error message:
>
> >>Internal Error 500
> >>
> >>An application error occurred while processing your request.
>
> I'm using the latest Instiki-AR release and it otherwise works great.
>
> Has anyone come across this before?
>
> Thx,
>
> Bill
>