<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Nate, </font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Sounds good. Shoot for a presentation
that is no more than 60 to 90 minutes. Also try to limit the amount
of introductory material in the talk. We have had 2 or 3 presentations
on RSpec in the last couple years and each one introduced and in some cases
gave detailed history of BDD. Anyway, that is my opinion.</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Cheers,</font>
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<br><font size=3>All,<br>
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So it looks like people would appreciate (attend) a session on June 2nd
where some time was spent talking upon experiences discovered using BDD/Selenium
with Rails. Ryan is willing to act as a question answer, and
I might be able to present something useful on my own. <br>
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How much time should I shoot for?<br>
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I know chirb is into technical details, but the important things we found
are more about high level strategy than technical details although I can
add details for those uncomfortable with strategies.<br>
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The outline would be:<br>
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What is BDD? <br>
How does RSpec work (practical usage not internal)? <br>
How does Selenium work (with rails - once again practical usage not internals)?<br>
What is story runner? (I know David covered this in Oct last year - so
this will be cursory)<br>
Usage<br>
What did we find about BDD?<br>
Duplication of effort<br>
Mocks v DB <br>
What did we find about Story Runner?<br>
Combine with Selenium?<br>
Engineers response<br>
Combinational complexity<br>
What did we find about Selenium?<br>
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Then the final Unexpected result.<br>
*Ryan can ask me question (actually anyone can - but I reserve the right
to say "I don't know") as the session proceeds?<br>
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How does this sound?<br>
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Blessings,<br>
Nate<br>
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+1 for 2D gaming in Ruby. Actually +1 for both. </font>
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<br><font size=3 face="Times">On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Josh Cronemeyer
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Ok! Now we have options!</font><font size=3 face="Times"> <br>
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Up for grabs - June 2nd meeting -</font><font size=3 face="Times"> <br>
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Volunteered talks:</font><font size=3 face="Times"> </font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
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-2D gaming in ruby with some guy</font><font size=3 face="Times"> <br>
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I'm happy to save mine for the July meeting which according to the webpage
is a lightning talk session. Or whatever. Group, if you have
opinions, now is the time to share them otherwise the usual noisy minority
will make the decisions for you :)</font><font size=3 face="Times"> <br>
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Josh,<br>
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If you want me to present I can. What I have might not take up a
whole meeting though. Ryan's idea might be helpful. Let's see
if anyone else chimes in about their experiences.<br>
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I will be in town on June 2.<br>
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Nate<br>
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Nate,</font><font size=3 face="Times"> </font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
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Sounds like it would be a good topic. Just to keep the focus of my
email though, I'm trying to line up a session for the June meeting. Are
you offering to talk about this June 2nd?</font><font size=3 face="Times">
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Ryan Platte wrote: <br>
Nate, it'd be interesting to hear the story you mentioned. I'd love to
hear about what you learned. <br>
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Idea: if you're uncomfortable making a big deal of it, I'd be happy to
present with you, asking questions, kind of like a 2-person panel format.
But again, I'd be interested in learning more no matter how you'd want
to present it. <br>
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On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 4:33 PM, Nate Kirby <</font><a href=mailto:natebkirby@yahoo.com target=_blank><font size=3 color=blue face="Times"><u>natebkirby@yahoo.com</u></font></a><font size=3 face="Times">>
wrote: <br>
Josh,<br>
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Those sound interesting, but if anyone has been using BDD, tools such as
RSpec, Story Runner, Selenium, Cubic Test or any other quality improvement
tools, it would be great to have a session where people talk about what
they have found to be best practices.<br>
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We tried integrating RSpec Story Runner and Selenium. The integration
was easy, but it created a workflow nightmare that we had to back out of.
If others have stories about there experience it seems like such
a session might be very valuable. <br>
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-- <br>
Ryan Platte <br>
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