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All,<br>
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So it looks like people would appreciate (attend) a session on June 2nd
where some time was spent talking upon experiences discovered using
BDD/Selenium with Rails. Ryan is willing to act as a question answer,
and I might be able to present something useful on my own. <br>
<br>
How much time should I shoot for?<br>
<br>
I know chirb is into technical details, but the important things we
found are more about high level strategy than technical details
although I can add details for those uncomfortable with strategies.<br>
<br>
The outline would be:<br>
<br>
What is BDD? <br>
How does RSpec work (practical usage not internal)? <br>
How does Selenium work (with rails - once again practical usage not
internals)?<br>
What is story runner? (I know David covered this in Oct last year - so
this will be cursory)<br>
Usage<br>
What did we find about BDD?<br>
Duplication of effort<br>
Mocks v DB <br>
What did we find about Story Runner?<br>
Combine with Selenium?<br>
Engineers response<br>
Combinational complexity<br>
What did we find about Selenium?<br>
<br>
Then the final Unexpected result.<br>
*Ryan can ask me question (actually anyone can - but I reserve the
right to say "I don't know") as the session proceeds?<br>
<br>
How does this sound?<br>
<br>
Blessings,<br>
Nate<br>
<br>
Nick wrote:
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-Nick<br>
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+1 for 2D gaming in Ruby. Actually +1 for both.
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Josh
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<font face="sans-serif" size="2">Ok! Now we have options!</font> <br>
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<font face="sans-serif" size="2">Up for grabs - June 2nd meeting -</font>
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<font face="sans-serif" size="2">Volunteered talks:</font> <br>
<font face="sans-serif" size="2">-BDD tools best practices with
Nate
Kirby and Ryan Platte</font> <br>
<font face="sans-serif" size="2">-2D gaming in ruby with some guy</font>
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<font face="sans-serif" size="2">I'm happy to save mine for the
July
meeting which according to the webpage is a lightning talk session. Or
whatever. Group, if you have opinions, now is the time to share them
otherwise the usual noisy minority will make the decisions for you :)</font>
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<font size="3">Josh,<br>
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If you want me to present I can. What I have might not take up a
whole meeting though. Ryan's idea might be helpful. Let's see
if anyone else chimes in about their experiences.<br>
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I will be in town on June 2.<br>
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Nate,</font><font size="3"> <br>
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Sounds like it would be a good topic. Just to keep the focus of my
email though, I'm trying to line up a session for the June meeting.
Are
you offering to talk about this June 2nd?</font><font size="3"> <br>
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Ryan Platte wrote: </font> <br>
<font size="3">Nate, it'd be interesting to hear the story you
mentioned.
I'd love to hear about what you learned. </font> <br>
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<font size="3">Idea: if you're uncomfortable making a big deal of
it,
I'd be happy to present with you, asking questions, kind of like a
2-person
panel format. But again, I'd be interested in learning more no matter
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<font size="3">Josh,<br>
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Those sound interesting, but if anyone has been using BDD, tools such
as
RSpec, Story Runner, Selenium, Cubic Test or any other quality
improvement
tools, it would be great to have a session where people talk about what
they have found to be best practices.<br>
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We tried integrating RSpec Story Runner and Selenium. The integration
was easy, but it created a workflow nightmare that we had to back out
of.
If others have stories about there experience it seems like such
a session might be very valuable.</font> <br>
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