From theonetruewaffles at gmail.com  Thu Sep  1 19:17:47 2011
From: theonetruewaffles at gmail.com (Anonymous Waffles)
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 16:17:47 -0700
Subject: Teaching
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I don't think I know enough to contribute anything, but I'll see if I could
perhaps write up something from what I learn here, perhaps making it more
user-friendly.
-Waffles

On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Jenna Fox <a at creativepony.com> wrote:

> Would you like to write some content for it Waffles? The version at
> http://whywentcamping.com/The-Camping-Book is a wiki - you can edit it by
> clicking the pencil, though you need a github account as it's a mirror of
> the camping/camping github wiki
>
>
> On 01/09/2011, at 9:21 AM, Anonymous Waffles wrote:
>
> I would personally like to see the Camping book expanded on more, but I
> can't wait to see some more projects for spreading Camping.
> -Waffles
>
> On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Dave Everitt <deveritt at innotts.co.uk>wrote:
>
>> Everyday is WhyDay. You should know this! :D
>>>
>>
>> oh yeh - I forgot :-)
>>
>>
>>  I'll email you directly with infos later.
>>>
>>
>> k
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From a at creativepony.com  Thu Sep  1 20:53:48 2011
From: a at creativepony.com (Jenna Fox)
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2011 10:53:48 +1000
Subject: Teaching
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Great! If you'd like help with anything you know where to come. :D


On 02/09/2011, at 9:17 AM, Anonymous Waffles wrote:

> I don't think I know enough to contribute anything, but I'll see if I could perhaps write up something from what I learn here, perhaps making it more user-friendly.
> -Waffles
> 
> On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Jenna Fox <a at creativepony.com> wrote:
> Would you like to write some content for it Waffles? The version at http://whywentcamping.com/The-Camping-Book is a wiki - you can edit it by clicking the pencil, though you need a github account as it's a mirror of the camping/camping github wiki
> 
> 
> On 01/09/2011, at 9:21 AM, Anonymous Waffles wrote:
> 
>> I would personally like to see the Camping book expanded on more, but I can't wait to see some more projects for spreading Camping.
>> -Waffles
>> 
>> On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Dave Everitt <deveritt at innotts.co.uk> wrote:
>> Everyday is WhyDay. You should know this! :D
>> 
>> oh yeh - I forgot :-)
>> 
>> 
>> I'll email you directly with infos later.
>> 
>> k
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list
>> 
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From edheil at fastmail.fm  Tue Sep  6 22:35:49 2011
From: edheil at fastmail.fm (Ed Heil)
Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2011 21:35:49 -0500
Subject: What is the Best Way to Install Camping in 2011?
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Gave this a shot, and now when I run Camping I get:

Invalid gemspec in 
[/Library/Ruby/Gems/1.8/specifications/camping-2.1.448.gemspec]: 
Illformed requirement ["#<YAML::Syck::DefaultKey:0x1023bfdc8> 0.8.7"]

Is that bad?

On 8/30/11 3:18 AM, Magnus Holm wrote:
> We definitely need to put out a new release. Try this in the meantime:
>
>   gem install camping --source http://gems.judofyr.net/
>
> (I've just updated the DNS record, so it might take an hour or two to 
> propagate correctly)
>
> // Magnus Holm
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 07:09, John Beppu <john.beppu at gmail.com 
> <mailto:john.beppu at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Let's say I have a pristine Unixy system in front of me.  (In my
>     case, it's a new OS X 10.7 installation and I put MacPorts on there.)
>
>     What is the simplest way to get an up-to-date Camping installation?
>
>     (I've been out of the Ruby loop for a while.)
>
>
>
>     _______________________________________________
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>     Camping-list at rubyforge.org <mailto:Camping-list at rubyforge.org>
>     http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list
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From edheil at fastmail.fm  Tue Sep  6 22:36:07 2011
From: edheil at fastmail.fm (Ed Heil)
Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2011 21:36:07 -0500
Subject: What is the Best Way to Install Camping in 2011?
In-Reply-To: <CAJ367fdNcTHx7n38A6E8Oq92R1=smZ_VYgbqcYnpLVfPvLBTMA@mail.gmail.com>
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Oh, this is on OS X -- Snow Leopard, using the built-in Ruby.

On 8/30/11 3:18 AM, Magnus Holm wrote:
> We definitely need to put out a new release. Try this in the meantime:
>
>   gem install camping --source http://gems.judofyr.net/
>
> (I've just updated the DNS record, so it might take an hour or two to 
> propagate correctly)
>
> // Magnus Holm
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 07:09, John Beppu <john.beppu at gmail.com 
> <mailto:john.beppu at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Let's say I have a pristine Unixy system in front of me.  (In my
>     case, it's a new OS X 10.7 installation and I put MacPorts on there.)
>
>     What is the simplest way to get an up-to-date Camping installation?
>
>     (I've been out of the Ruby loop for a while.)
>
>
>
>     _______________________________________________
>     Camping-list mailing list
>     Camping-list at rubyforge.org <mailto:Camping-list at rubyforge.org>
>     http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list
>
>
>
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From judofyr at gmail.com  Wed Sep  7 03:31:35 2011
From: judofyr at gmail.com (Magnus Holm)
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 09:31:35 +0200
Subject: What is the Best Way to Install Camping in 2011?
In-Reply-To: <4E66D885.8080503@fastmail.fm>
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On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 04:35, Ed Heil <edheil at fastmail.fm> wrote:
> Gave this a shot, and now when I run Camping I get:
>
> Invalid gemspec in
> [/Library/Ruby/Gems/1.8/specifications/camping-2.1.448.gemspec]: Illformed
> requirement ["#<YAML::Syck::DefaultKey:0x1023bfdc8> 0.8.7"]
>
> Is that bad?

Try to upgrade RubyGems:

  sudo gem update --system

It's this bug that's causing it:
http://blog.rubygems.org/2011/08/31/shaving-the-yaml-yacc.html

From edheil at fastmail.fm  Wed Sep  7 09:39:00 2011
From: edheil at fastmail.fm (Ed Heil)
Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2011 08:39:00 -0500
Subject: What is the Best Way to Install Camping in 2011?
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Thanks, that worked!

On the downside, all my gems *except* camping now emit "invalid gemspec" 
messages whenever I require rubygems...  But I assume at this point the 
issue is nothing to do with Camping and will see if I can google me up 
an answer. (I wonder if it's OK to just delete all those gemspecs?  I 
don't actually know how gems work in any detail....)

On 9/7/11 2:31 AM, Magnus Holm wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 04:35, Ed Heil<edheil at fastmail.fm>  wrote:
>> Gave this a shot, and now when I run Camping I get:
>>
>> Invalid gemspec in
>> [/Library/Ruby/Gems/1.8/specifications/camping-2.1.448.gemspec]: Illformed
>> requirement ["#<YAML::Syck::DefaultKey:0x1023bfdc8>  0.8.7"]
>>
>> Is that bad?
> Try to upgrade RubyGems:
>
>    sudo gem update --system
>
> It's this bug that's causing it:
> http://blog.rubygems.org/2011/08/31/shaving-the-yaml-yacc.html
> _______________________________________________
> Camping-list mailing list
> Camping-list at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list

From edheil at fastmail.fm  Wed Sep  7 10:00:12 2011
From: edheil at fastmail.fm (Ed Heil)
Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2011 09:00:12 -0500
Subject: What is the Best Way to Install Camping in 2011?
In-Reply-To: <4E6773F4.3060409@fastmail.fm>
References: <CA+N_sa11ahc0g2Ve5u6ZjkvRFP1BSXGLMQsELzh=VVGrw1=2qw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ367fdNcTHx7n38A6E8Oq92R1=smZ_VYgbqcYnpLVfPvLBTMA@mail.gmail.com>
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And that turned out to be fixable with a global search and replace of " 
00:00:00.000000000Z" to "" in my gemspecs.  Rock. :)


On 9/7/11 8:39 AM, Ed Heil wrote:
> Thanks, that worked!
>
> On the downside, all my gems *except* camping now emit "invalid 
> gemspec" messages whenever I require rubygems...  But I assume at this 
> point the issue is nothing to do with Camping and will see if I can 
> google me up an answer. (I wonder if it's OK to just delete all those 
> gemspecs?  I don't actually know how gems work in any detail....)
>
> On 9/7/11 2:31 AM, Magnus Holm wrote:
>> On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 04:35, Ed Heil<edheil at fastmail.fm>  wrote:
>>> Gave this a shot, and now when I run Camping I get:
>>>
>>> Invalid gemspec in
>>> [/Library/Ruby/Gems/1.8/specifications/camping-2.1.448.gemspec]: 
>>> Illformed
>>> requirement ["#<YAML::Syck::DefaultKey:0x1023bfdc8>  0.8.7"]
>>>
>>> Is that bad?
>> Try to upgrade RubyGems:
>>
>>    sudo gem update --system
>>
>> It's this bug that's causing it:
>> http://blog.rubygems.org/2011/08/31/shaving-the-yaml-yacc.html
>> _______________________________________________
>> Camping-list mailing list
>> Camping-list at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list

From judofyr at gmail.com  Wed Sep  7 10:40:58 2011
From: judofyr at gmail.com (Magnus Holm)
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 16:40:58 +0200
Subject: What is the Best Way to Install Camping in 2011?
In-Reply-To: <4E6778EC.6000204@fastmail.fm>
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On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 16:00, Ed Heil <edheil at fastmail.fm> wrote:
> And that turned out to be fixable with a global search and replace of "
> 00:00:00.000000000Z" to "" in my gemspecs. ?Rock. :)

Great! Feel free to bother us more if you encounter more problems :)

From paul at luon.net  Sat Sep 24 16:22:04 2011
From: paul at luon.net (Paul van Tilburg)
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 22:22:04 +0200
Subject: failing test
Message-ID: <20110924202203.GA18920@density.luon.net>

Hi!

I am in the process of packaging Camping 2.1 for Debian.  While renewing
the entire packaging structure I wanted to integrate the tests in the
build procedure.  However, surprisingly, one of the tests (apps) fails
(I require test/app*.rb):

  Started
  ......F........
  Finished in 0.057194 seconds.

    1) Failure:
  test_session(Sessions::Test)
      [./test/test_helper.rb:41:in `assert_body'
       ./test/app_sessions.rb:44:in `test_session']:
  <"[42, 56, 99]"> expected but was
  <"[nil, nil, 99]">.

  15 tests, 17 assertions, 1 failures, 0 errors

That result is quite surprising.  Redirecting does not preserve state? 
Or is this a desired change since 2.1 and the test has not been fixed
since?

Paul

-- 
PhD Student @ Eindhoven                     | email: paul at luon.net
University of Technology, The Netherlands   | JID: paul at luon.net
>>> Using the Power of Debian GNU/Linux <<< | GnuPG key ID: 0x50064181

From judofyr at gmail.com  Sat Sep 24 17:01:42 2011
From: judofyr at gmail.com (Magnus Holm)
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 23:01:42 +0200
Subject: failing test
In-Reply-To: <20110924202203.GA18920@density.luon.net>
References: <20110924202203.GA18920@density.luon.net>
Message-ID: <CAJ367ffwVguf=pczH+PgzUYC_eDy1dswCWona_4=R4F8VO18AA@mail.gmail.com>

Pretty sure this is related to incompatability with the latest Rack
(which suddenly slightly "broke" the Session-API). It's fixed in
latest master. Maybe we should just do a release soon.

// Magnus Holm



On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 22:22, Paul van Tilburg <paul at luon.net> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I am in the process of packaging Camping 2.1 for Debian. ?While renewing
> the entire packaging structure I wanted to integrate the tests in the
> build procedure. ?However, surprisingly, one of the tests (apps) fails
> (I require test/app*.rb):
>
> ?Started
> ?......F........
> ?Finished in 0.057194 seconds.
>
> ? ?1) Failure:
> ?test_session(Sessions::Test)
> ? ? ?[./test/test_helper.rb:41:in `assert_body'
> ? ? ? ./test/app_sessions.rb:44:in `test_session']:
> ?<"[42, 56, 99]"> expected but was
> ?<"[nil, nil, 99]">.
>
> ?15 tests, 17 assertions, 1 failures, 0 errors
>
> That result is quite surprising. ?Redirecting does not preserve state?
> Or is this a desired change since 2.1 and the test has not been fixed
> since?
>
> Paul
>
> --
> PhD Student @ Eindhoven ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? | email: paul at luon.net
> University of Technology, The Netherlands ? | JID: paul at luon.net
>>>> Using the Power of Debian GNU/Linux <<< | GnuPG key ID: 0x50064181
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From matma.rex at gmail.com  Sat Sep 24 17:25:16 2011
From: matma.rex at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Bartosz_Dziewo=C5=84ski?=)
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 23:25:16 +0200
Subject: Feature: Simple controllers?
In-Reply-To: <CA+N_sa0iAFHQ0JJPQhZ+x1AWvvkWX4jAtmDKRk+xZHXZ7MjnCg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ367fep=7Q9VC0qXvriASdUCOYKcZOAFJYBLpR2ua=H5VX68w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+N_sa1H6neav9eyyQ62Dm3Y0ZEJ530YzFn+z7VVP6jLaje6Yg@mail.gmail.com>
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So, are we reverting it? It's still in the latest GitHub commit.

(If it was unclear, I agree with Jenna - while certainly neat, this should go.)

-- Matma Rex

From matma.rex at gmail.com  Sat Sep 24 17:49:02 2011
From: matma.rex at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Bartosz_Dziewo=C5=84ski?=)
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 23:49:02 +0200
Subject: Feature: Inline templates?
In-Reply-To: <4E58FBA6.2070706@monnet-usa.com>
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	<3C88508E-3824-4841-B5C2-AA7051F8FA0B@innotts.co.uk>
	<CAA-yUx0y7y7cSOT48hs2b-6zKSdj6DjaG_9RJA7PkaJdx_BSig@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ367fdxNz+a1DnyG3MpUhaNToiokfSsX3w06HoHDZfMmpPWfQ@mail.gmail.com>
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A comment after some time: I'd appreciate it more if I could just have
one "external" file with all the templates, and one with the Camping
code, and I could "link in" the templates to parse using this
mechanism.

-- Matma Rex

From a at creativepony.com  Fri Sep 30 20:37:16 2011
From: a at creativepony.com (Jenna Fox)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 10:37:16 +1000
Subject: Since we're talking about couch
Message-ID: <B2B7D089-1C00-4452-8369-F921C56ECA39@creativepony.com>

Here's mine: https://github.com/Bluebie/chill

Fairly short and simple, like couchdb.

?
Jenna

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From danbryan at gmail.com  Fri Sep 30 21:45:34 2011
From: danbryan at gmail.com (Daniel Bryan)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 11:45:34 +1000
Subject: Since we're talking about couch
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 i like it  

your library is nice n' neat  


On Saturday, 1 October 2011 at 10:37 AM, Jenna Fox wrote:

> Here's mine: https://github.com/Bluebie/chill
>  
> Fairly short and simple, like couchdb.
>  
> ?
> Jenna
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
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