From syfys at interia.pl Wed Oct 3 06:51:04 2007 From: syfys at interia.pl (syfys at interia.pl) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 12:51:04 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] gift ? Message-ID: <47037418.2090409@interia.pl> Hi There is a free book of rails at: http://www.sitepoint.com/books/rails1/freebook.php It's quite a basics, but for me it is useful. It worked well for me - no catches I believe ... I hope to see you all this evening ... -- kind regards Robert Begier +32 496 387 797 www.begier.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Fajne i smieszne. Zobacz najlepsze filmiki! >>> http://link.interia.pl/f1bbb From peter at 10-forward.be Wed Oct 3 07:42:15 2007 From: peter at 10-forward.be (Peter De Berdt (10-forward)) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 13:42:15 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] using RoR for a "serious" site: how about security and performance ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8209A25D-3712-42C0-AFF9-3B748D6C4A3B@10-forward.be> On 10 Aug 2007, at 19:16, Peter Vandenabeele wrote: > I am Peter Vandenabeele and new to RoR. If I would build a > site that would contain confidential data (e.g. a list of users, > trusting me to not leak info like e.g. their e-mail addresses, > real name, ...) and the site needs to process a large number > of hits, would RoR then be a good candidate ? Sure, I've found Rails application to be nicely scalable and optimizable and you can do it when there's a need: ? Caching ? Balancing (e.g. database on one server, web servers on another, ?) ? Memcache for even more speed ? ? > On the security side for Web applications, a lot issues need > to be taken into account: cross site scripting, SQL injection, > session cookies, etc. etc. How mature is RoR on the security > side for "serious" applications? How fast are security problems > resolved ? Do we know of security flaws that where exploited ? > How does RoR compare against other common server > technologies like Java and PhP ? Java and PHP are just as vulnerable to the security issues you are mentioning. That said, if you follow proper procedure like escaping the data from the database in your views etc., Rails is very secure. It has everything in it for you to make sure security is tight. The Agile Web Development with Rails book has a chapter on these issues. > On the performance side, Ruby is a scripting language, but > do I understand correctly that e.g. JRuby and other initiatives > my allow faster executing ? Does Ruby also offer things like > "hot spot" run-time compilers etc. ? Or is performance > already better than other technologies, so this is a non-issue ? Ruby (current version) is slower at certain things than some other languages out there, but it develops a lot faster and is easily maintainable. With the performance of computers nowadays and the fact that most of the time to process a request is spent in the database queries, I consider this a non-issue. > Actually, do we know publicly in which server technologies, > really big sites like LinkedIn, Xing, Spock and closer to home, > netlog, are built ? Could be just about anything, but it shouldn't matter to you. It's important you use the language and framework you feel good about, and Rails development does that for me. > Do we know of large cases of publicly accessible sites, containing > sensitive data that _are_ built in RoR. This list: > > http://www.workingwithrails.com/browse/sites/country/Belgium > > was not that reassuring ... (might make sense to list a little more > Belgian RoR projects there). And even on this list, > > http://www.workingwithrails.com/browse/sites/country/United+States > > I did not immediately recognize large names (but they may just be me). 37signals and twitter are well known if you ask me. Best regards. Peter De Berdt Research & Development Software Expert ______________________ 10-forward Zwarteweg 28 B-8433 Middelkerke Mobile : (0473) 38 35 86 info at 10-forward.be http://www.10-forward.be ______________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/brug-talk/attachments/20071003/8389195e/attachment-0001.html From nboucart at gmail.com Wed Oct 3 07:56:10 2007 From: nboucart at gmail.com (Nick Boucart) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 13:56:10 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] using RoR for a "serious" site: how about security and performance ? In-Reply-To: <8209A25D-3712-42C0-AFF9-3B748D6C4A3B@10-forward.be> References: <8209A25D-3712-42C0-AFF9-3B748D6C4A3B@10-forward.be> Message-ID: <8d9aaa2b0710030456t6447a5b3t25c9cb330b2d847e@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Around security, be sure to check out: http://www.quarkruby.com/2007/9/20/ruby-on-rails-security-guide and http://www.rorsecurity.info/ruby-on-rails-security-cheatsheet/ The first link contains tons of info. It focuses on rails but is applicable to all database driven websites: sql injection can happen everywhere and requires a developer to be alert each and every time he/she writes a query based upon input from the user. Same with cross site scripting, if you allow your users to enter script tags in your forms and you render this without proper escaping, you have a security issue, regardless whether you use php, rails or java... Same for password encryption and so on... With regards on scalability and what the larger websites of this world run upon, a recent article I came across talks about this. http://royal.pingdom.com/?p=173 An interesting read on scaling a large rails app can be found here http://poocs.net/2006/3/13/the-adventures-of-scaling-stage-1 Regards, Nick. On 10/3/07, Peter De Berdt (10-forward) wrote: > > > On 10 Aug 2007, at 19:16, Peter Vandenabeele wrote: > > I am Peter Vandenabeele and new to RoR. If I would build a > > site that would contain confidential data (e.g. a list of users, > > trusting me to not leak info like e.g. their e-mail addresses, > > real name, ...) and the site needs to process a large number > > of hits, would RoR then be a good candidate ? > > > Sure, I've found Rails application to be nicely scalable and optimizable > and you can do it when there's a need: > ? Caching > ? Balancing (e.g. database on one server, web servers on another, ?) > ? Memcache for even more speed > ? ? > > On the security side for Web applications, a lot issues need > > to be taken into account: cross site scripting, SQL injection, > > session cookies, etc. etc. How mature is RoR on the security > > side for "serious" applications? How fast are security problems > > resolved ? Do we know of security flaws that where exploited ? > > How does RoR compare against other common server > > technologies like Java and PhP ? > > > Java and PHP are just as vulnerable to the security issues you are > mentioning. That said, if you follow proper procedure like escaping the data > from the database in your views etc., Rails is very secure. It has > everything in it for you to make sure security is tight. The Agile Web > Development with Rails book has a chapter on these issues. > > On the performance side, Ruby is a scripting language, but > > do I understand correctly that e.g. JRuby and other initiatives > > my allow faster executing ? Does Ruby also offer things like > > "hot spot" run-time compilers etc. ? Or is performance > > already better than other technologies, so this is a non-issue ? > > > Ruby (current version) is slower at certain things than some other > languages out there, but it develops a lot faster and is easily > maintainable. With the performance of computers nowadays and the fact that > most of the time to process a request is spent in the database queries, I > consider this a non-issue. > > Actually, do we know publicly in which server technologies, > > really big sites like LinkedIn, Xing, Spock and closer to home, > > netlog, are built ? > > > Could be just about anything, but it shouldn't matter to you. It's > important you use the language and framework you feel good about, and Rails > development does that for me. > > Do we know of large cases of publicly accessible sites, containing > > sensitive data that _are_ built in RoR. This list: > > > http://www.workingwithrails.com/browse/sites/country/Belgium > > > was not that reassuring ... (might make sense to list a little more > > Belgian RoR projects there). And even on this list, > > > http://www.workingwithrails.com/browse/sites/country/United+States > > > I did not immediately recognize large names (but they may just be me). > > > 37signals and twitter are well known if you ask me. > > Best regards. > > > Peter De Berdt > Research & Development > Software Expert > > ______________________ > *10-forward* > Zwarteweg 28 > B-8433 Middelkerke > Mobile : (0473) 38 35 86 > info at 10-forward.be > http://www.10-forward.be > ______________________ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/brug-talk/attachments/20071003/e7e5137e/attachment-0001.html From peter at xaop.com Wed Oct 3 09:35:35 2007 From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 15:35:35 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Anyone from Antwerp to the UG tonight? In-Reply-To: <53F1A96FFA519D4BA19E1B927A7CB26293807F@MSEVS01.outlook.hostbasket.com> References: <53F1A96FFA519D4BA19E1B927A7CB26293807F@MSEVS01.outlook.hostbasket.com> Message-ID: <47039AA7.7010802@xaop.com> Hi, Only one person who confirmed his presence said that he is coming by train. His train arrives at 18h31 in Halle station, and someone from XaoP is picking him up. If you arrive at that time too (the train from Brussels arrives then), or a little earlier, you can hitch a ride. Let me know in time and I'll make sure you get picked up too. Just wait in the canteen/caf? inside the station; you should be able to recognize our chauffeur for the occasion by the XaoP t-shirt he should be wearing, and you can find his picture here: http://www.xaop.com/pages/company He's the second guy from the top, wearing the glasses. Kind regards, Peter Vanbroekhoven XaoP Bram / Mr. Henry wrote: > Hello, > > Is there anyone going from Antwerp tonight to > the meeting? I could use a ride :-) > > Or someone going by train from Antwerp, Mechelen ? > > groetjes, > Bram > > =================== > > > > we are Mr. Henry > i am Bram Plessers > > world wide web http://www.mrhenry.be > telephone +32 (0) 3 260 87 52 > fax +32 (0) 3 260 87 55 > > we live in Antwerp, Belgium > Juliaan Dillensstraat 54 > > we like car rides > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk From bram at mrhenry.be Wed Oct 3 09:38:23 2007 From: bram at mrhenry.be (Bram / Mr. Henry) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 15:38:23 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Anyone from Antwerp to the UG tonight? References: <53F1A96FFA519D4BA19E1B927A7CB26293807F@MSEVS01.outlook.hostbasket.com> <47039AA7.7010802@xaop.com> Message-ID: <53F1A96FFA519D4BA19E1B927A7CB2629380DD@MSEVS01.outlook.hostbasket.com> Thanks Peter, But I arranged a carpool with another attendee off list ; ) -----Original Message----- From: brug-talk-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto:brug-talk-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Peter Vanbroekhoven Sent: woensdag 3 oktober 2007 15:36 To: brug-talk at rubyforge.org Subject: Re: [Brug-talk] Anyone from Antwerp to the UG tonight? Hi, Only one person who confirmed his presence said that he is coming by train. His train arrives at 18h31 in Halle station, and someone from XaoP is picking him up. If you arrive at that time too (the train from Brussels arrives then), or a little earlier, you can hitch a ride. Let me know in time and I'll make sure you get picked up too. Just wait in the canteen/caf? inside the station; you should be able to recognize our chauffeur for the occasion by the XaoP t-shirt he should be wearing, and you can find his picture here: http://www.xaop.com/pages/company He's the second guy from the top, wearing the glasses. Kind regards, Peter Vanbroekhoven XaoP Bram / Mr. Henry wrote: > Hello, > > Is there anyone going from Antwerp tonight to > the meeting? I could use a ride :-) > > Or someone going by train from Antwerp, Mechelen ? > > groetjes, > Bram > > =================== > > > > we are Mr. Henry > i am Bram Plessers > > world wide web http://www.mrhenry.be > telephone +32 (0) 3 260 87 52 > fax +32 (0) 3 260 87 55 > > we live in Antwerp, Belgium > Juliaan Dillensstraat 54 > > we like car rides > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk _______________________________________________ Brug-talk mailing list Brug-talk at rubyforge.org http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk From mesut.celik at gmail.com Wed Oct 3 09:42:38 2007 From: mesut.celik at gmail.com (Mesut Celik) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 15:42:38 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Anyone from Antwerp to the UG tonight? In-Reply-To: <53F1A96FFA519D4BA19E1B927A7CB2629380DD@MSEVS01.outlook.hostbasket.com> References: <53F1A96FFA519D4BA19E1B927A7CB26293807F@MSEVS01.outlook.hostbasket.com> <47039AA7.7010802@xaop.com> <53F1A96FFA519D4BA19E1B927A7CB2629380DD@MSEVS01.outlook.hostbasket.com> Message-ID: In return, if someone goes back to Zaventem area and takes me too, it will be highly appriciated.;) mesut 2007/10/3, Bram / Mr. Henry : > > Thanks Peter, > But I arranged a carpool with another attendee off list ; ) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: brug-talk-bounces at rubyforge.org [mailto: > brug-talk-bounces at rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Peter Vanbroekhoven > Sent: woensdag 3 oktober 2007 15:36 > To: brug-talk at rubyforge.org > Subject: Re: [Brug-talk] Anyone from Antwerp to the UG tonight? > > Hi, > > Only one person who confirmed his presence said that he is coming by > train. His train arrives at 18h31 in Halle station, and someone from > XaoP is picking him up. If you arrive at that time too (the train from > Brussels arrives then), or a little earlier, you can hitch a ride. Let > me know in time and I'll make sure you get picked up too. Just wait in > the canteen/caf? inside the station; you should be able to recognize our > chauffeur for the occasion by the XaoP t-shirt he should be wearing, and > you can find his picture here: > > http://www.xaop.com/pages/company > > He's the second guy from the top, wearing the glasses. > > Kind regards, > Peter Vanbroekhoven > XaoP > > Bram / Mr. Henry wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Is there anyone going from Antwerp tonight to > > the meeting? I could use a ride :-) > > > > Or someone going by train from Antwerp, Mechelen ? > > > > groetjes, > > Bram > > > > =================== > > > > > > > > we are Mr. Henry > > i am Bram Plessers > > > > world wide web http://www.mrhenry.be > > telephone +32 (0) 3 260 87 52 > > fax +32 (0) 3 260 87 55 > > > > we live in Antwerp, Belgium > > Juliaan Dillensstraat 54 > > > > we like car rides > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Brug-talk mailing list > > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/brug-talk/attachments/20071003/26113dcc/attachment.html From peter at xaop.com Wed Oct 3 18:39:47 2007 From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 00:39:47 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Slides "Metaprogramming in Ruby" Message-ID: <47041A33.3020306@xaop.com> Hi all, You can find the slides of my presentation at the first BRUG meeting at the following URL: http://rubyforge.org/frs/?group_id=4180 Kind regards, Peter Vanbroekhoven From syfys at interia.pl Wed Oct 3 19:22:46 2007 From: syfys at interia.pl (syfys at interia.pl) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 01:22:46 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Slides "Metaprogramming in Ruby" In-Reply-To: <47041A33.3020306@xaop.com> References: <47041A33.3020306@xaop.com> Message-ID: <47042446.5030305@interia.pl> there is .pdf missing on the site ... by the way: thank you for your, and xaop's effort to initialize the first meeting regards Robert Begier Peter Vanbroekhoven pisze: > Hi all, > > You can find the slides of my presentation at the first BRUG meeting at > the following URL: > > http://rubyforge.org/frs/?group_id=4180 > > Kind regards, > Peter Vanbroekhoven > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Fajne i smieszne. Zobacz najlepsze filmiki! >>> http://link.interia.pl/f1bbb From hans at verschooten.com Thu Oct 4 01:15:55 2007 From: hans at verschooten.com (Hans verschooten) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 07:15:55 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Slides "Metaprogramming in Ruby" In-Reply-To: <47042446.5030305@interia.pl> References: <47041A33.3020306@xaop.com> <47042446.5030305@interia.pl> Message-ID: <3e85b8490710032215g1b4cc8bcg7b838e42f0636e50@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I would like to join in with the congratulations for the first meeting. The administrative part was a bit too long winded for my taste, but the presentation and networking afterwards really erased any doubts about my being there. If you put the video on YouTube everyone with a blog could include it, so we start to get the word out without waiting for the creation of the BRUG site. Thanks again for the kick off, Hans verschooten http://tintr.net On 10/4/07, syfys at interia.pl wrote: > there is .pdf missing on the site ... > > by the way: thank you for your, and xaop's effort to initialize the > first meeting > > regards > Robert Begier > > Peter Vanbroekhoven pisze: > > Hi all, > > > > You can find the slides of my presentation at the first BRUG meeting at > > the following URL: > > > > http://rubyforge.org/frs/?group_id=4180 > > > > Kind regards, > > Peter Vanbroekhoven > > _______________________________________________ > > Brug-talk mailing list > > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Fajne i smieszne. Zobacz najlepsze filmiki! > > >>> http://link.interia.pl/f1bbb > > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > From stephane.wirtel at gmail.com Thu Oct 4 01:19:36 2007 From: stephane.wirtel at gmail.com (Stephane Wirtel) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 07:19:36 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Slides "Metaprogramming in Ruby" In-Reply-To: <47041A33.3020306@xaop.com> References: <47041A33.3020306@xaop.com> Message-ID: Hi Peter, Thanks for the presentation, Best regards, Stephane Wirtel 2007/10/4, Peter Vanbroekhoven : > > Hi all, > > You can find the slides of my presentation at the first BRUG meeting at > the following URL: > > http://rubyforge.org/frs/?group_id=4180 > > Kind regards, > Peter Vanbroekhoven > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Peter Vanbroekhoven XaoP On 04/10/2007, syfys at interia.pl wrote: > there is .pdf missing on the site ... > > by the way: thank you for your, and xaop's effort to initialize the > first meeting > > regards > Robert Begier > > Peter Vanbroekhoven pisze: > > Hi all, > > > > You can find the slides of my presentation at the first BRUG meeting at > > the following URL: > > > > http://rubyforge.org/frs/?group_id=4180 > > > > Kind regards, > > Peter Vanbroekhoven > > _______________________________________________ > > Brug-talk mailing list > > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Fajne i smieszne. Zobacz najlepsze filmiki! > > >>> http://link.interia.pl/f1bbb > > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > From peter at xaop.com Thu Oct 4 04:30:15 2007 From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 10:30:15 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Slides "Metaprogramming in Ruby" In-Reply-To: References: <47041A33.3020306@xaop.com> <47042446.5030305@interia.pl> Message-ID: <4704A497.1070006@xaop.com> Hi, Before causing confusion again: sorry for using my other email address. It's me who wrote that. Kind regards, Peter Vanbroekhoven XaoP Calamitas wrote: > Hi Robert, > > Rubyforge employs file mirrors, and you may have to wait for a while > before the file gets propagated to all mirrors. I believe it can take > up to a day. > > And thanks for the kind words. All of you! > > Peter Vanbroekhoven > XaoP > > On 04/10/2007, syfys at interia.pl wrote: >> there is .pdf missing on the site ... >> >> by the way: thank you for your, and xaop's effort to initialize the >> first meeting >> >> regards >> Robert Begier >> >> Peter Vanbroekhoven pisze: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> You can find the slides of my presentation at the first BRUG meeting at >>> the following URL: >>> >>> http://rubyforge.org/frs/?group_id=4180 >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> Peter Vanbroekhoven >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Brug-talk mailing list >>> Brug-talk at rubyforge.org >>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk >>> >>> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Fajne i smieszne. Zobacz najlepsze filmiki! >> >>>>> http://link.interia.pl/f1bbb >> _______________________________________________ >> Brug-talk mailing list >> Brug-talk at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk >> > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk From peter at vandenabeele.com Thu Oct 4 04:49:37 2007 From: peter at vandenabeele.com (Peter Vandenabeele) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 10:49:37 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] first meeting yesterday 3 October 2007 (please send your contact info in private) Message-ID: Hi, First of all thank to the organizers (XAOP) for all the work and providing the room, the driks, the sandwhiches, etc. Just to keep some track of the first meeting, minimalistic minutes below: 1. introduction 2. administrativa: * decided to form a small admin group (5 people) * decided to work on networking between the members (technical questions, partnerships, joint actions, ...) * decided to work on promoting RoR to a larger audience, e.g. through open website, forums and organizing conferences 3. presentation: "Metaprogramming in Ruby" by Peter Vanbroekhoven (http://rubyforge.org/frs/download.php/26198/BRUG-10-03-2007.pdf) 4. Networking May I ask that ALL ATTENDANTS that want to keep track of who was there, send at least a mail to me (IN PRIVATE) with their name and e-mail. I will then bounce back the list of all people that responded back to all the people on the list (in PRIVATE). I will give that feedback in 10 days from now, that is 14 October 2007. Of course it would be better to do this on a wiki or something, but I am not aware there is one yet. Thanks, Peter From peter at xaop.com Thu Oct 4 11:30:57 2007 From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 17:30:57 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website Message-ID: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> Hi all, One of the things I wanted to discuss yesterday, but which we didn't get to anymore in the end, is how we are going to set up a website for our user group. I think we need the following: * hosting * one or a few people to create the site (Rails programmers, website designers) * a few people to create and manage the content These three groups needn't be disjunct, but they can be. We need volunteers for each of these jobs. Components for the website that I believe we certainly need are: * a wiki for putting together information (specific to BRUG and BRUG events, but also about Rails and Ruby in general) * news + feed (announcing events, project/library releases, ...) I propose using the brug project at Rubyforge for development (libraries, Rails plugins, ...). We can set our own website as the home page at Rubyforge. This way, Rubyforge ties us to the rest of the Ruby community and allows Rubyists all over the world to find us and our projects in the obvious place. This is independent from advertising our Ruby user group via other channels. Another nice thing to have would be a logo for BRUG. If someone feels up to the task of designing one or more candidates, you can find the Ruby logo here: http://rubyidentity.org/ruby-logo-kit.zip . The Rails logo is trademarked, so using that requires more care. Finally, I'm in the process of setting up a mailing list + Google group mirror for the BRUG admins. There are several reasons why it's nice to have this: * As pointed out by Peter, not everyone is interested in the administrative part, so it doesn't belong on the general list * A mailing list allows everyone who *is* interested to enter the discussions if so desired * A mailing list provides an archive of these discussions * Changes in the core admin group are easy to effectuate, just add/remove users to/from the list. I'll let you know when I receive notification that the list is created and then anyone interested can subscribe. Kind regards, Peter Vanbroekhoven From syfys at interia.pl Thu Oct 4 13:16:22 2007 From: syfys at interia.pl (syfys at interia.pl) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 19:16:22 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> Message-ID: <47051FE6.2040302@interia.pl> Hi there hosting - I'm currently using free rails account (till 28 march 2008) 500 MB space transfer/month: 1GB 1 database + great support (normally I wait no more than 30min for response) If you wish we could use it as a table to work - before deploying in production mode. I don't know how you work out the final lists of users - sign me up, as active support ;) Peter Vanbroekhoven pisze: > Hi all, > > One of the things I wanted to discuss yesterday, but which we didn't get > to anymore in the end, is how we are going to set up a website for our > user group. I think we need the following: > > * hosting > * one or a few people to create the site (Rails programmers, website > designers) > * a few people to create and manage the content > > These three groups needn't be disjunct, but they can be. > > We need volunteers for each of these jobs. > > Components for the website that I believe we certainly need are: > > * a wiki for putting together information (specific to BRUG and BRUG > events, but also about Rails and Ruby in general) > * news + feed (announcing events, project/library releases, ...) > > I propose using the brug project at Rubyforge for development > (libraries, Rails plugins, ...). We can set our own website as the home > page at Rubyforge. This way, Rubyforge ties us to the rest of the Ruby > community and allows Rubyists all over the world to find us and our > projects in the obvious place. This is independent from advertising our > Ruby user group via other channels. > > Another nice thing to have would be a logo for BRUG. If someone feels up > to the task of designing one or more candidates, you can find the Ruby > logo here: http://rubyidentity.org/ruby-logo-kit.zip . The Rails logo is > trademarked, so using that requires more care. > > Finally, I'm in the process of setting up a mailing list + Google group > mirror for the BRUG admins. There are several reasons why it's nice to > have this: > > * As pointed out by Peter, not everyone is interested in the > administrative part, so it doesn't belong on the general list > * A mailing list allows everyone who *is* interested to enter the > discussions if so desired > * A mailing list provides an archive of these discussions > * Changes in the core admin group are easy to effectuate, just > add/remove users to/from the list. > > I'll let you know when I receive notification that the list is created > and then anyone interested can subscribe. > > Kind regards, > Peter Vanbroekhoven > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Najlepsi DJ-e na 7 scenach.Pole Mokotowskie.Sobota 6.10.07 Sprawdz >>> http://link.interia.pl/f1c00 From hans at verschooten.com Thu Oct 4 13:58:26 2007 From: hans at verschooten.com (Hans verschooten) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 19:58:26 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> Message-ID: <3e85b8490710041058r37f00d68o62a970a1f54cd44@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I couldn't resist so, here is my proposal for the logo. http://tintr.net/ What do you think? Cheers, Hans On 10/4/07, Peter Vanbroekhoven wrote: > Hi all, > > One of the things I wanted to discuss yesterday, but which we didn't get > to anymore in the end, is how we are going to set up a website for our > user group. I think we need the following: > > * hosting > * one or a few people to create the site (Rails programmers, website > designers) > * a few people to create and manage the content > > These three groups needn't be disjunct, but they can be. > > We need volunteers for each of these jobs. > > Components for the website that I believe we certainly need are: > > * a wiki for putting together information (specific to BRUG and BRUG > events, but also about Rails and Ruby in general) > * news + feed (announcing events, project/library releases, ...) > > I propose using the brug project at Rubyforge for development > (libraries, Rails plugins, ...). We can set our own website as the home > page at Rubyforge. This way, Rubyforge ties us to the rest of the Ruby > community and allows Rubyists all over the world to find us and our > projects in the obvious place. This is independent from advertising our > Ruby user group via other channels. > > Another nice thing to have would be a logo for BRUG. If someone feels up > to the task of designing one or more candidates, you can find the Ruby > logo here: http://rubyidentity.org/ruby-logo-kit.zip . The Rails logo is > trademarked, so using that requires more care. > > Finally, I'm in the process of setting up a mailing list + Google group > mirror for the BRUG admins. There are several reasons why it's nice to > have this: > > * As pointed out by Peter, not everyone is interested in the > administrative part, so it doesn't belong on the general list > * A mailing list allows everyone who *is* interested to enter the > discussions if so desired > * A mailing list provides an archive of these discussions > * Changes in the core admin group are easy to effectuate, just > add/remove users to/from the list. > > I'll let you know when I receive notification that the list is created > and then anyone interested can subscribe. > > Kind regards, > Peter Vanbroekhoven > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > From maarten at fastfocus.be Thu Oct 4 14:39:58 2007 From: maarten at fastfocus.be (Maarten Porters) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 20:39:58 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: <3e85b8490710041058r37f00d68o62a970a1f54cd44@mail.gmail.com> References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> <3e85b8490710041058r37f00d68o62a970a1f54cd44@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4705337E.7090103@fastfocus.be> That logo kicks ass! :) Really cool. Maby I'm wrong but maby the rails aspect should be more involved in the logo or name. Because I have a feeling that most people use Ruby for rails. Again, maby I'm wrong. Greetz, Maarten Hans verschooten schreef: > Hi all, > > I couldn't resist so, here is my proposal for the logo. http://tintr.net/ > > What do you think? > > Cheers, > Hans > > On 10/4/07, Peter Vanbroekhoven wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> One of the things I wanted to discuss yesterday, but which we didn't get >> to anymore in the end, is how we are going to set up a website for our >> user group. I think we need the following: >> >> * hosting >> * one or a few people to create the site (Rails programmers, website >> designers) >> * a few people to create and manage the content >> >> These three groups needn't be disjunct, but they can be. >> >> We need volunteers for each of these jobs. >> >> Components for the website that I believe we certainly need are: >> >> * a wiki for putting together information (specific to BRUG and BRUG >> events, but also about Rails and Ruby in general) >> * news + feed (announcing events, project/library releases, ...) >> >> I propose using the brug project at Rubyforge for development >> (libraries, Rails plugins, ...). We can set our own website as the home >> page at Rubyforge. This way, Rubyforge ties us to the rest of the Ruby >> community and allows Rubyists all over the world to find us and our >> projects in the obvious place. This is independent from advertising our >> Ruby user group via other channels. >> >> Another nice thing to have would be a logo for BRUG. If someone feels up >> to the task of designing one or more candidates, you can find the Ruby >> logo here: http://rubyidentity.org/ruby-logo-kit.zip . The Rails logo is >> trademarked, so using that requires more care. >> >> Finally, I'm in the process of setting up a mailing list + Google group >> mirror for the BRUG admins. There are several reasons why it's nice to >> have this: >> >> * As pointed out by Peter, not everyone is interested in the >> administrative part, so it doesn't belong on the general list >> * A mailing list allows everyone who *is* interested to enter the >> discussions if so desired >> * A mailing list provides an archive of these discussions >> * Changes in the core admin group are easy to effectuate, just >> add/remove users to/from the list. >> >> I'll let you know when I receive notification that the list is created >> and then anyone interested can subscribe. >> >> Kind regards, >> Peter Vanbroekhoven >> _______________________________________________ >> Brug-talk mailing list >> Brug-talk at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > > From stephane.wirtel at gmail.com Thu Oct 4 14:44:43 2007 From: stephane.wirtel at gmail.com (Stephane Wirtel) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 20:44:43 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: <3e85b8490710041058r37f00d68o62a970a1f54cd44@mail.gmail.com> References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> <3e85b8490710041058r37f00d68o62a970a1f54cd44@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi all, I like it, with the Belgium's flag. Don't use the logo of Rails, because there is a trademark. Thanks Hans, Stephane -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/brug-talk/attachments/20071004/8c88a2bd/attachment.html From hans at verschooten.com Thu Oct 4 15:32:54 2007 From: hans at verschooten.com (Hans verschooten) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 21:32:54 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: <4705337E.7090103@fastfocus.be> References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> <3e85b8490710041058r37f00d68o62a970a1f54cd44@mail.gmail.com> <4705337E.7090103@fastfocus.be> Message-ID: <3e85b8490710041232k41978891m50f01510a43180d4@mail.gmail.com> Maarten, it is the Ruby user group :-) I know that a lot of people come to Ruby via Rails, but we never know what the future will bring us. Maybe Ruby will outlive Rails. So better focus on the language than the framework, I guess. Cheerio, Hans On 10/4/07, Maarten Porters wrote: > That logo kicks ass! :) Really cool. Maby I'm wrong but maby the rails > aspect > should be more involved in the logo or name. Because I have a feeling > that most people > use Ruby for rails. Again, maby I'm wrong. > > Greetz, > > Maarten > > > Hans verschooten schreef: > > Hi all, > > > > I couldn't resist so, here is my proposal for the logo. http://tintr.net/ > > > > What do you think? > > > > Cheers, > > Hans > > > > On 10/4/07, Peter Vanbroekhoven wrote: > > > >> Hi all, > >> > >> One of the things I wanted to discuss yesterday, but which we didn't get > >> to anymore in the end, is how we are going to set up a website for our > >> user group. I think we need the following: > >> > >> * hosting > >> * one or a few people to create the site (Rails programmers, website > >> designers) > >> * a few people to create and manage the content > >> > >> These three groups needn't be disjunct, but they can be. > >> > >> We need volunteers for each of these jobs. > >> > >> Components for the website that I believe we certainly need are: > >> > >> * a wiki for putting together information (specific to BRUG and BRUG > >> events, but also about Rails and Ruby in general) > >> * news + feed (announcing events, project/library releases, ...) > >> > >> I propose using the brug project at Rubyforge for development > >> (libraries, Rails plugins, ...). We can set our own website as the home > >> page at Rubyforge. This way, Rubyforge ties us to the rest of the Ruby > >> community and allows Rubyists all over the world to find us and our > >> projects in the obvious place. This is independent from advertising our > >> Ruby user group via other channels. > >> > >> Another nice thing to have would be a logo for BRUG. If someone feels up > >> to the task of designing one or more candidates, you can find the Ruby > >> logo here: http://rubyidentity.org/ruby-logo-kit.zip . The Rails logo is > >> trademarked, so using that requires more care. > >> > >> Finally, I'm in the process of setting up a mailing list + Google group > >> mirror for the BRUG admins. There are several reasons why it's nice to > >> have this: > >> > >> * As pointed out by Peter, not everyone is interested in the > >> administrative part, so it doesn't belong on the general list > >> * A mailing list allows everyone who *is* interested to enter the > >> discussions if so desired > >> * A mailing list provides an archive of these discussions > >> * Changes in the core admin group are easy to effectuate, just > >> add/remove users to/from the list. > >> > >> I'll let you know when I receive notification that the list is created > >> and then anyone interested can subscribe. > >> > >> Kind regards, > >> Peter Vanbroekhoven > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Brug-talk mailing list > >> Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Brug-talk mailing list > > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > From syfys at interia.pl Thu Oct 4 15:33:36 2007 From: syfys at interia.pl (syfys at interia.pl) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 21:33:36 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: <3e85b8490710041232k41978891m50f01510a43180d4@mail.gmail.com> References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> <3e85b8490710041058r37f00d68o62a970a1f54cd44@mail.gmail.com> <4705337E.7090103@fastfocus.be> <3e85b8490710041232k41978891m50f01510a43180d4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47054010.6000801@interia.pl> cool logo, if you ask me ... regards, Robert Hans verschooten pisze: > Maarten, > > it is the Ruby user group :-) > I know that a lot of people come to Ruby via Rails, but we never know > what the future will bring us. Maybe Ruby will outlive Rails. So > better focus on the language than the framework, I guess. > > Cheerio, > Hans > > On 10/4/07, Maarten Porters wrote: >> That logo kicks ass! :) Really cool. Maby I'm wrong but maby the rails >> aspect >> should be more involved in the logo or name. Because I have a feeling >> that most people >> use Ruby for rails. Again, maby I'm wrong. >> >> Greetz, >> >> Maarten >> >> >> Hans verschooten schreef: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I couldn't resist so, here is my proposal for the logo. http://tintr.net/ >>> >>> What do you think? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Hans >>> >>> On 10/4/07, Peter Vanbroekhoven wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> One of the things I wanted to discuss yesterday, but which we didn't get >>>> to anymore in the end, is how we are going to set up a website for our >>>> user group. I think we need the following: >>>> >>>> * hosting >>>> * one or a few people to create the site (Rails programmers, website >>>> designers) >>>> * a few people to create and manage the content >>>> >>>> These three groups needn't be disjunct, but they can be. >>>> >>>> We need volunteers for each of these jobs. >>>> >>>> Components for the website that I believe we certainly need are: >>>> >>>> * a wiki for putting together information (specific to BRUG and BRUG >>>> events, but also about Rails and Ruby in general) >>>> * news + feed (announcing events, project/library releases, ...) >>>> >>>> I propose using the brug project at Rubyforge for development >>>> (libraries, Rails plugins, ...). We can set our own website as the home >>>> page at Rubyforge. This way, Rubyforge ties us to the rest of the Ruby >>>> community and allows Rubyists all over the world to find us and our >>>> projects in the obvious place. This is independent from advertising our >>>> Ruby user group via other channels. >>>> >>>> Another nice thing to have would be a logo for BRUG. If someone feels up >>>> to the task of designing one or more candidates, you can find the Ruby >>>> logo here: http://rubyidentity.org/ruby-logo-kit.zip . The Rails logo is >>>> trademarked, so using that requires more care. >>>> >>>> Finally, I'm in the process of setting up a mailing list + Google group >>>> mirror for the BRUG admins. There are several reasons why it's nice to >>>> have this: >>>> >>>> * As pointed out by Peter, not everyone is interested in the >>>> administrative part, so it doesn't belong on the general list >>>> * A mailing list allows everyone who *is* interested to enter the >>>> discussions if so desired >>>> * A mailing list provides an archive of these discussions >>>> * Changes in the core admin group are easy to effectuate, just >>>> add/remove users to/from the list. >>>> >>>> I'll let you know when I receive notification that the list is created >>>> and then anyone interested can subscribe. >>>> >>>> Kind regards, >>>> Peter Vanbroekhoven >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Brug-talk mailing list >>>> Brug-talk at rubyforge.org >>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Brug-talk mailing list >>> Brug-talk at rubyforge.org >>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Brug-talk mailing list >> Brug-talk at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk >> > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > > -----------------R--E--K--L--A--M--A----------------- Lepsze wiadomosci z kraju i z zagranicy. Nie wierzysz? Sprawdz - http://wiadomosci.interia.pl/ From alain.ravet at gmail.com Thu Oct 4 18:12:23 2007 From: alain.ravet at gmail.com (Alain Ravet) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 00:12:23 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: <3e85b8490710041058r37f00d68o62a970a1f54cd44@mail.gmail.com> References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> <3e85b8490710041058r37f00d68o62a970a1f54cd44@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Hans, > I couldn't resist so, here is my proposal for the logo. http://tintr.net/ > What do you think? Simple and original. I like it a lot. The red looks not right though. Alain From alain.ravet at gmail.com Thu Oct 4 18:14:17 2007 From: alain.ravet at gmail.com (Alain Ravet) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 00:14:17 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: <3e85b8490710041058r37f00d68o62a970a1f54cd44@mail.gmail.com> References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> <3e85b8490710041058r37f00d68o62a970a1f54cd44@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > I couldn't resist so, here is my proposal for the logo. http://tintr.net/ Would look good as a lapel pin. Alain From frank at openminds.be Fri Oct 5 02:00:12 2007 From: frank at openminds.be (Frank Louwers) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 08:00:12 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> Message-ID: <6D49AD8E-05E0-4098-9187-1A137D17031F@openminds.be> On 04 Oct 2007, at 17:30, Peter Vanbroekhoven wrote: > Hi all, > > One of the things I wanted to discuss yesterday, but which we > didn't get > to anymore in the end, is how we are going to set up a website for our > user group. I think we need the following: > > * hosting Peter, It's quite obvious we'd be happy to provide the hosting needed :) Frank From bernard at openminds.be Fri Oct 5 01:49:55 2007 From: bernard at openminds.be (Bernard Grymonpon) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 07:49:55 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> Message-ID: <9C76FADE-8597-4D30-81BF-5A7466850D61@openminds.be> Hi all, As a Belgian hosting company, specializing in Rails hosting, we would be ashamed if the BRUG would be hosted elsewere; we will provide the hosting for the BRUG-website (unless someone objects to this). This will be in the form of our Pro-hosting package, providing Ruby and Rails support, a free domain name (suggestions anyone?) and mail hosting for this domain, along with other goodies. Can someone make a quick one-page template/holding page (simple html) with a short introduction text (maybe in Dutch and in French (we have people in the BRUG who can do some translation I guess)), and some links to the mailing list and rubyforge pages... so we can get the show online. Btw: The logo is really great. Rgds, Bernard Grymonpon Openminds On 04 Oct 2007, at 17:30, Peter Vanbroekhoven wrote: > Hi all, > > One of the things I wanted to discuss yesterday, but which we > didn't get > to anymore in the end, is how we are going to set up a website for our > user group. I think we need the following: > > * hosting > * one or a few people to create the site (Rails programmers, website > designers) > * a few people to create and manage the content > > These three groups needn't be disjunct, but they can be. > > We need volunteers for each of these jobs. > > Components for the website that I believe we certainly need are: > > * a wiki for putting together information (specific to BRUG and BRUG > events, but also about Rails and Ruby in general) > * news + feed (announcing events, project/library releases, ...) > > I propose using the brug project at Rubyforge for development > (libraries, Rails plugins, ...). We can set our own website as the > home > page at Rubyforge. This way, Rubyforge ties us to the rest of the Ruby > community and allows Rubyists all over the world to find us and our > projects in the obvious place. This is independent from advertising > our > Ruby user group via other channels. > > Another nice thing to have would be a logo for BRUG. If someone > feels up > to the task of designing one or more candidates, you can find the Ruby > logo here: http://rubyidentity.org/ruby-logo-kit.zip . The Rails > logo is > trademarked, so using that requires more care. > > Finally, I'm in the process of setting up a mailing list + Google > group > mirror for the BRUG admins. There are several reasons why it's nice to > have this: > > * As pointed out by Peter, not everyone is interested in the > administrative part, so it doesn't belong on the general list > * A mailing list allows everyone who *is* interested to enter the > discussions if so desired > * A mailing list provides an archive of these discussions > * Changes in the core admin group are easy to effectuate, just > add/remove users to/from the list. > > I'll let you know when I receive notification that the list is created > and then anyone interested can subscribe. > > Kind regards, > Peter Vanbroekhoven > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > From tom at tmplus.be Fri Oct 5 02:43:08 2007 From: tom at tmplus.be (Tom Mestdagh) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 08:43:08 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: <3e85b8490710041058r37f00d68o62a970a1f54cd44@mail.gmail.com> References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> <3e85b8490710041058r37f00d68o62a970a1f54cd44@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4705DCFC.9010304@tmplus.be> Hi, yeah, the logo looks very nice. I would also be happy to help with ror development on the website if needed, but I guess we can do a lot with just a wiki and using the tools available (del.icio.us, youtube, flickr, ...). But offcourse, the wiki should be in rails :-p Instiki is a possibility, anybody experience with that? regards, Tom Hans verschooten schreef: > Hi all, > > I couldn't resist so, here is my proposal for the logo. http://tintr.net/ > > What do you think? > > Cheers, > Hans > > On 10/4/07, Peter Vanbroekhoven wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> One of the things I wanted to discuss yesterday, but which we didn't get >> to anymore in the end, is how we are going to set up a website for our >> user group. I think we need the following: >> >> * hosting >> * one or a few people to create the site (Rails programmers, website >> designers) >> * a few people to create and manage the content >> >> These three groups needn't be disjunct, but they can be. >> >> We need volunteers for each of these jobs. >> >> Components for the website that I believe we certainly need are: >> >> * a wiki for putting together information (specific to BRUG and BRUG >> events, but also about Rails and Ruby in general) >> * news + feed (announcing events, project/library releases, ...) >> >> I propose using the brug project at Rubyforge for development >> (libraries, Rails plugins, ...). We can set our own website as the home >> page at Rubyforge. This way, Rubyforge ties us to the rest of the Ruby >> community and allows Rubyists all over the world to find us and our >> projects in the obvious place. This is independent from advertising our >> Ruby user group via other channels. >> >> Another nice thing to have would be a logo for BRUG. If someone feels up >> to the task of designing one or more candidates, you can find the Ruby >> logo here: http://rubyidentity.org/ruby-logo-kit.zip . The Rails logo is >> trademarked, so using that requires more care. >> >> Finally, I'm in the process of setting up a mailing list + Google group >> mirror for the BRUG admins. There are several reasons why it's nice to >> have this: >> >> * As pointed out by Peter, not everyone is interested in the >> administrative part, so it doesn't belong on the general list >> * A mailing list allows everyone who *is* interested to enter the >> discussions if so desired >> * A mailing list provides an archive of these discussions >> * Changes in the core admin group are easy to effectuate, just >> add/remove users to/from the list. >> >> I'll let you know when I receive notification that the list is created >> and then anyone interested can subscribe. >> >> Kind regards, >> Peter Vanbroekhoven >> _______________________________________________ >> Brug-talk mailing list >> Brug-talk at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > > -- ---------------------------- TM+ Software -en webontwikkeling Brabantdam 35J 9000 Gent 09 233 12 38 tom at tmplus.be ---------------------------- From peter at xaop.com Fri Oct 5 03:05:27 2007 From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 09:05:27 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] first meeting yesterday 3 October 2007 (please send your contact info in private) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4705E237.4090702@xaop.com> Hey Peter, Mij mag je toevoegen aan je lijst: Peter Vanbroekhoven peter at xaop.com Groetjes, Peter Peter Vandenabeele wrote: > Hi, > > First of all thank to the organizers (XAOP) for all the work and > providing the room, the driks, the sandwhiches, etc. > > Just to keep some track of the first meeting, minimalistic > minutes below: > > 1. introduction > 2. administrativa: > * decided to form a small admin group (5 people) > * decided to work on networking between the members > (technical questions, partnerships, joint actions, ...) > * decided to work on promoting RoR to a larger audience, > e.g. through open website, forums and organizing conferences > 3. presentation: "Metaprogramming in Ruby" by Peter Vanbroekhoven > (http://rubyforge.org/frs/download.php/26198/BRUG-10-03-2007.pdf) > 4. Networking > > May I ask that ALL ATTENDANTS that want to keep track of who was > there, send at least a mail to me (IN PRIVATE) with their name and > e-mail. I will then bounce back the list of all people that responded back > to all the people on the list (in PRIVATE). I will give that feedback in > 10 days from now, that is 14 October 2007. > > Of course it would be better to do this on a wiki or something, but I > am not aware there is one yet. > > Thanks, > > Peter > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk From alain.ravet at gmail.com Fri Oct 5 04:25:45 2007 From: alain.ravet at gmail.com (Alain Ravet) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 10:25:45 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] first meeting yesterday 3 October 2007 (please send your contact info in private) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Peter, Here are my details : Alain Ravet alain.ravet at gmail.com Alain On 10/4/07, Peter Vandenabeele wrote: > Hi, > > First of all thank to the organizers (XAOP) for all the work and > providing the room, the driks, the sandwhiches, etc. > > Just to keep some track of the first meeting, minimalistic > minutes below: > > 1. introduction > 2. administrativa: > * decided to form a small admin group (5 people) > * decided to work on networking between the members > (technical questions, partnerships, joint actions, ...) > * decided to work on promoting RoR to a larger audience, > e.g. through open website, forums and organizing conferences > 3. presentation: "Metaprogramming in Ruby" by Peter Vanbroekhoven > (http://rubyforge.org/frs/download.php/26198/BRUG-10-03-2007.pdf) > 4. Networking > > May I ask that ALL ATTENDANTS that want to keep track of who was > there, send at least a mail to me (IN PRIVATE) with their name and > e-mail. I will then bounce back the list of all people that responded back > to all the people on the list (in PRIVATE). I will give that feedback in > 10 days from now, that is 14 October 2007. > > Of course it would be better to do this on a wiki or something, but I > am not aware there is one yet. > > Thanks, > > Peter From peter at vandenabeele.com Fri Oct 5 04:31:09 2007 From: peter at vandenabeele.com (Peter Vandenabeele) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 10:31:09 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] first meeting yesterday 3 October 2007 (please send your contact info in private) In-Reply-To: References: <4705E237.4090702@xaop.com> Message-ID: On 10/5/07, Peter Vandenabeele wrote: ... > Er is een reden waarom je expliciet in private > antwoord en niet op de lijst ... ^^ antwoordt ... Sorry Peter From peter at vandenabeele.com Fri Oct 5 04:29:24 2007 From: peter at vandenabeele.com (Peter Vandenabeele) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 10:29:24 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] first meeting yesterday 3 October 2007 (please send your contact info in private) In-Reply-To: <4705E237.4090702@xaop.com> References: <4705E237.4090702@xaop.com> Message-ID: On 10/5/07, Peter Vanbroekhoven wrote: > Hey Peter, > > Mij mag je toevoegen aan je lijst: Jah ... hoeveel keer in mijn leven zal ik nog proberen om de beheerders van een mailing list te overtuigen om de "Reply-To" NIET niet naar het lijst adres te laten wijzen. Argumentatie is simpel: * een e-mail die per ongeluk naar de OP (Original Poster) alleen gaat, is geen drama, gewoon opnieuw forwarden naar het lijst adres en problem solved, no harm done. * een e-amil die bedoeld was voor de OP (in private) en per ongeluk naar de lijst gaat, is soms wel een drama en is een fout die nooit meer rechtgezet kan worden (the ghost is out of the bottle). Vooral omdat een intended private reply op een mailing list topic vaak echt wel gevoelig ligt. Er is een reden waarom je expliciet in private antwoord en niet op de lijst ... Dus, bij deze mijn standaard vraag om de mailing list zo in te stellen dat Reply-To gewoon het prive adres is van de afzender, en _niet_ het lijst adres. Bedankt om dit te overwegen, Peter From peter at vandenabeele.com Fri Oct 5 04:44:15 2007 From: peter at vandenabeele.com (Peter Vandenabeele) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 10:44:15 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: <9C76FADE-8597-4D30-81BF-5A7466850D61@openminds.be> References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> <9C76FADE-8597-4D30-81BF-5A7466850D61@openminds.be> Message-ID: On 10/5/07, Bernard Grymonpon wrote: > Can someone make a quick one-page template/holding page (simple html) > with a short introduction text (maybe in Dutch and in French (we have > people in the BRUG who can do some translation I guess)), Having this experience at Federal level and also e.g. in opengov.be , we really need to think about the multi-language aspect as one of the most challenging aspects. This needs some architecture thinking before just blindly choosing one solution. I personally prefer _explicit_ language choice (and not the "implicit" language choice that was used for the current (=previous) belgium.be site, brrr ...). So, most simple (and obvious to users) to me seems: (by example): http://www.brug-ruby.be/nl/... http://www.brug-ruby.be/fr/... http://www.brug-ruby.be/en/... and then on a page where the content is not present in that language, have a text like the one below: "sorry, this page is not available in english, check http://www.brug-ruby.be/nl/help/ for the Dutch version or http://www.brug-ruby.be/fr/help/ for the French version" Other ideas welcome, but please take into account this question explicitely in the coice of architecture of the site. I personally prefer very explicit language choices (no "smart stuff" going on behind my back, which is just confusing me). HTH, Peter From peter at xaop.com Fri Oct 5 05:15:05 2007 From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 11:15:05 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> Message-ID: <47060099.1020902@xaop.com> Hi all, Peter Vanbroekhoven wrote: > Finally, I'm in the process of setting up a mailing list + Google group > mirror for the BRUG admins. There are several reasons why it's nice to > have this: > > * As pointed out by Peter, not everyone is interested in the > administrative part, so it doesn't belong on the general list > * A mailing list allows everyone who *is* interested to enter the > discussions if so desired > * A mailing list provides an archive of these discussions > * Changes in the core admin group are easy to effectuate, just > add/remove users to/from the list. > > I'll let you know when I receive notification that the list is created > and then anyone interested can subscribe. The list has been created now. You can find it here: http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-admin A Google mirror can be found here: http://groups.google.com/group/brug-admin-google?lnk=iggc Again, this will be the central place for organizing meetings and such. If you're interested in these kinds of discussions, or want to pitch in from time to time, you can subscribe, but you don't need to do so as a "regular" member; you'll only miss some administration. Note that you need to subscribe to the list on Rubyforge to be able to post with Google groups. Kind regards, Peter Vanbroekhoven XaoP From peter at xaop.com Fri Oct 5 05:38:48 2007 From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 11:38:48 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> <9C76FADE-8597-4D30-81BF-5A7466850D61@openminds.be> Message-ID: <47060628.6000407@xaop.com> Peter Vandenabeele wrote: > Other ideas welcome, but please take into account this question > explicitely in the coice of architecture of the site. > > I personally prefer very explicit language choices (no "smart stuff" > going on behind my back, which is just confusing me). I wholeheartedly agree. Possible additions to this idea are: * If, for instance, on an English page, a link is provided to a page that has no English version, it could link to a page like you mentioned, but also (within parentheses) give the available languages as links to the corresponding translations * On the "not available as this language" page, add an "or create a translation" link in addition to the "edit" link * An important challenge is how to keep the translations in sync. It would be nice if the system could automatically indicate in some way that certain parts of certain pages are out of sync with translations. If we require translations to have the same structure (sections, paragraphs, ...) then this is easily doable. Then we can provide translation aids as well, i.e., put the page you are translating and the translation next to each other, section by section, paragraph by paragraph my 2 cents... Regards, Peter Vanbroekhoven XaoP From peter at xaop.com Fri Oct 5 06:14:46 2007 From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 12:14:46 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: <4705337E.7090103@fastfocus.be> References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> <3e85b8490710041058r37f00d68o62a970a1f54cd44@mail.gmail.com> <4705337E.7090103@fastfocus.be> Message-ID: <47060E96.2090102@xaop.com> Maarten Porters wrote: > That logo kicks ass! :) Really cool. Maby I'm wrong but maby the rails > aspect > should be more involved in the logo or name. Because I have a feeling > that most people > use Ruby for rails. Again, maby I'm wrong. Maarten, The way I see it, what binds us is Ruby. I think this is a bit tricky; on the one hand, mentioning Rails explicitly may scare off people not interested in Rails, on the other hand, not mentioning Rails may scare off people who are only interested in Rails. We can change the official name to the Belgian Ruby and Rails User Group, and still abbreviate it as BRUG, but I don't know if that eliminates either ill effect. The thing is, though, where do we want to go? How big do we see this? For the moment, we have Ruby and Rails. What if other web frameworks emerge, or what if Ruby catches on in other fields, and interests diverge even further? I believe that it is bad to fracture the Belgian Ruby community; it is better to have one large community with possibly separate divisions, but that can share infrastructure and organization if needed, and that allows coordinating events. I think we should take that into account, and make sure we are prepared for that. I also want to ease all fears; the user group will not be pure Ruby, and not pure Rails. We have a mix of people with different interests and that mix should be reflected in a comparable mix of topics and activities. But getting back to the logo, it may be interesting to have two logos. The one we have now (which is great BTW) can be used in places that require a compact logo. We can have a bigger logo that does incorporate Rails in some way. One idea would be the outline of Belgium in the back (tricolored maybe, but the way I see it just whitish with a blackish outline and a shadow), some rails leading "into" the map, and the logo with have now on these rails with the gem on top of the bridge. The rails could have the shape of a bridge. That way, we don't use the Rails logo directly, so it should pose no problem with trademarks, and certainly not if the rails are drawn in a different way than in the Rails logo. I'm not a graphical designer, so I can't work out this logo design myself. Again, if someone feels up to it... Regards, Peter Vanbroekhoven XaoP From peter at xaop.com Fri Oct 5 06:23:23 2007 From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 12:23:23 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: <47060E96.2090102@xaop.com> References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> <3e85b8490710041058r37f00d68o62a970a1f54cd44@mail.gmail.com> <4705337E.7090103@fastfocus.be> <47060E96.2090102@xaop.com> Message-ID: <4706109B.4020900@xaop.com> Peter Vanbroekhoven wrote: > But getting back to the logo, it may be interesting to have two logos. > The one we have now (which is great BTW) can be used in places that > require a compact logo. We can have a bigger logo that does incorporate > Rails in some way. One idea would be the outline of Belgium in the back > (tricolored maybe, but the way I see it just whitish with a blackish > outline and a shadow), some rails leading "into" the map, and the logo > with have now on these rails with the gem on top of the bridge. The > rails could have the shape of a bridge. That way, we don't use the Rails I messed up my sentence a little in this part. The rails lead in to the map, and the logo we have now goes on top of the rails. The rails could form a bridge and the gem logo we have now goes on top. This indicates the bridge we want to build, and shows Ruby heading for Belgium. Regards, Peter Vanbroekhoven XaoP From alain.ravet at gmail.com Fri Oct 5 16:24:50 2007 From: alain.ravet at gmail.com (Alain Ravet) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 20:24:50 -0000 Subject: [Brug-talk] trouble with the emails settings on Google Group Message-ID: <1191615890.683522.234380@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> Hi, In the Google Group membership settings, I cannot specify I want to receive every mail (the last option in the email rate section). Of the 25+ Google Groups I subscribe to, the BRUG mirrors are the only two where I have this problem, so I wonder if they have been setup correctly. Is anybody successful/encountering the same problem? TIA Alain Ravet From laurent.sansonetti at gmail.com Fri Oct 5 17:30:21 2007 From: laurent.sansonetti at gmail.com (Laurent Sansonetti) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 23:30:21 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: <4706109B.4020900@xaop.com> References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> <3e85b8490710041058r37f00d68o62a970a1f54cd44@mail.gmail.com> <4705337E.7090103@fastfocus.be> <47060E96.2090102@xaop.com> <4706109B.4020900@xaop.com> Message-ID: <1be7247c0710051430q1ced6deaoea27aa3c073eea07@mail.gmail.com> Hi guys, # I unfortunately couldn't attend the first BRUG meet-up. I was unluckily in Belgium the day after, and now leaving in a few days :( I personally love Hans' logo. It's really good to see our colors on the Ruby gem! Regarding the group website, I wasn't present at the meeting so I don't really know what you are planning to do with it, but I wonder if it's really interesting to provide content in both French and Dutch. We should perhaps focus on English content at least initially, since most (all?) of the people can understand it. # I would nevertheless be happy to help with any French translation work. Laurent From alain.ravet at gmail.com Fri Oct 5 18:42:31 2007 From: alain.ravet at gmail.com (Alain Ravet) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 00:42:31 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: <1be7247c0710051430q1ced6deaoea27aa3c073eea07@mail.gmail.com> References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> <3e85b8490710041058r37f00d68o62a970a1f54cd44@mail.gmail.com> <4705337E.7090103@fastfocus.be> <47060E96.2090102@xaop.com> <4706109B.4020900@xaop.com> <1be7247c0710051430q1ced6deaoea27aa3c073eea07@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 10/5/07, Laurent Sansonetti wrote: > .. I wonder if > it's really interesting to provide content in both French and Dutch. > We should perhaps focus on English content at least initially, .. I agree 100%. Splitting the site in 3 sounds like a joke, especially now. Alain Ravet From peter at xaop.com Fri Oct 5 18:58:01 2007 From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven) Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2007 00:58:01 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] trouble with the emails settings on Google Group In-Reply-To: <1191615890.683522.234380@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> References: <1191615890.683522.234380@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <4706C179.4030804@xaop.com> Hi, I've noticed this too. According to Google's docs, it's a consequence of the setup as a mirror. They probably have a good technical reason for this, but it sucks nonetheless. If anybody knows of a way to fix this, I'd be happy to hear. Regards, Peter Vanbroekhoven XaoP Alain Ravet wrote: > Hi, > > In the Google Group membership settings, I cannot specify I want to > receive every mail (the last option in the email rate section). > Of the 25+ Google Groups I subscribe to, the BRUG mirrors are the only > two where I have this problem, so I wonder if they have been setup > correctly. > > Is anybody successful/encountering the same problem? > > TIA > > Alain Ravet > > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > From alain.ravet at gmail.com Sat Oct 6 05:45:26 2007 From: alain.ravet at gmail.com (Alain Ravet) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 11:45:26 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] trouble with the emails settings on Google Group In-Reply-To: <4706C179.4030804@xaop.com> References: <1191615890.683522.234380@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <4706C179.4030804@xaop.com> Message-ID: Peter, > I've noticed this too. According to Google's docs, it's a consequence of > the setup as a mirror. So, why use it as a mirror, and not as a main repository (as they did for the rails list, after hosting the list elsewhere first)? Do we really need the rubyforge middle-man? Less is more. Alain Ravet From peter at xaop.com Sat Oct 6 07:22:09 2007 From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven) Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2007 13:22:09 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] [Fwd: Re: trouble with the emails settings on Google Group] Message-ID: <47076FE1.1000605@xaop.com> Hi all, Forwarding this mail... Peter Vandenabeele adviced me to change the settings of the mailing list. Replies go to the author now by default, and you need to change the recipient if you want it to go to the mailing list. I've forgotten to do that already... Regards, Peter Vanbroekhoven XaoP -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Peter Vanbroekhoven Subject: Re: [Brug-talk] trouble with the emails settings on Google Group Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2007 12:12:38 +0200 Size: 1275 Url: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/brug-talk/attachments/20071006/f22ccdbb/attachment.mht From peter at xaop.com Sat Oct 6 07:35:43 2007 From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven) Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2007 13:35:43 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] FOSDEM Message-ID: <4707730F.5070105@xaop.com> Hi all, One of the things we should consider is to try and get a Ruby/Rails track at FOSDEM, and if there is interest in it, a developer's room. We can also consider running a booth there. I think this is a great opportunity to advertise our user group, find new members, and basically give us a kick-start. We need proposals for speakers. DHH is an obvious one, but we need more. So let us know about your heroes and what you want them to talk about! It would be nice if by then we have a logo to put on t-shirts that we can wear there. The small logo can go on the front, a bigger, more elaborate one can go on the back. If we have a booth, we can show photographs of the meetings, possible a video even; we can distribute information about BRUG, and we could hand out stickers with the logo and simplified contact information. This seems like *the* occasion to expand out Ruby user group. We have to get kicking though because FOSDEM is only 4 and a half months away and we don't want to miss the boat. The call for speakers went out about one and a half month ago, so I expect we don't have much time. Regards, Peter Vanbroekhoven XaoP From peter at vandenabeele.com Sat Oct 6 08:11:39 2007 From: peter at vandenabeele.com (Peter Vandenabeele) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 14:11:39 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] FOSDEM In-Reply-To: <4707730F.5070105@xaop.com> References: <4707730F.5070105@xaop.com> Message-ID: On 10/6/07, Peter Vanbroekhoven wrote: > One of the things we should consider is to try and get a Ruby/Rails > track at FOSDEM, and if there is interest in it, a developer's room. This is a great idea. I did that on fosdem for a few years with the "embedded track" (now continued by a Philippe De Swert). We only had to organize a: * program committee (writing the call for papers, invite people, select the abstracts and define the program) * on the two days manage the meeting. Because this is such an efficient and easy system, demand for "developer rooms" is high and they are early "sold-out". I could ask Raph (I know him quite well because of early involvement), but if you know him better, you could ask instead. Maybe the answer will simply be "sorry, already sold out for 2008 ..." HTH, Peter From alain.ravet at gmail.com Sat Oct 6 15:33:01 2007 From: alain.ravet at gmail.com (Alain Ravet) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 21:33:01 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] trouble with the emails settings on Google Group In-Reply-To: <47075F96.4090207@xaop.com> References: <1191615890.683522.234380@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <4706C179.4030804@xaop.com> <47075F96.4090207@xaop.com> Message-ID: Peter, On 10/6/07, Peter Vanbroekhoven wrote: > Alain Ravet wrote: > > So, why use it as a mirror, and not as a main repository (as they did > > for the rails list, after hosting the list elsewhere first)? > > Do we really need the rubyforge middle-man? Less is more. > > > The main problem with this is that the argument runs both ways; do we > really need the Google group. Why did you setup a Google mirror in the first place? Google group is superior, and it makes my/our life easier. Subscription takes 10 seconds. Same for cancellation. No password to remember, etc, etc.. The way it's setup currently - no way to get each email from the mirror -, it's useless, but for the Web Interface, and the archive, and the easy of each user message, and the rating, .. :) So, I'm forced to subscribe to 4 list : - subscribe (email+password) to the 2 rubyforge lists just to get the emails, - subscribe to the Google groups to get a decent Web Interface and access to the archive. Less is more. It's obvious, isn't it? Alain Ravet From peter at vandenabeele.com Sun Oct 7 09:52:42 2007 From: peter at vandenabeele.com (Peter Vandenabeele) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 15:52:42 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Fwd: [FOSDEM] 23-24 Feb 2008 FOSDEM? In-Reply-To: <4708D1EC.9080802@fosdem.org> References: <166745da0710070419ke83f51cu74b870515b707166@mail.gmail.com> <4708D1EC.9080802@fosdem.org> Message-ID: Beste, Moet ik vragen om ev. een Ruby developer room te krijgen Naast dit: http://archive.fosdem.org/2007/schedule/devrooms zal het niet zo evident zijn om nog een room te krijgen, maar we kunnen proberen. Dit is nog leeg ... http://fosdem.org/2008/schedule/devrooms Peter ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Christophe Vandeplas Date: Oct 7, 2007 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [FOSDEM] 23-24 Feb 2008 FOSDEM? To: FOSDEM visitors The date will be the 23rd and 24th Feb 2008. Unfortunately due to (the usual) administrative slowness of the location where we organise the event we cannot confirm this 100% sure. We already reserved some rooms for that week-end for the speakers. So don't expect it to change except if unexpected problems arise. From simonis.christophe at gmail.com Sun Oct 7 12:15:42 2007 From: simonis.christophe at gmail.com (Christophe Simonis) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 18:15:42 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Fwd: [FOSDEM] 23-24 Feb 2008 FOSDEM? In-Reply-To: References: <166745da0710070419ke83f51cu74b870515b707166@mail.gmail.com> <4708D1EC.9080802@fosdem.org> Message-ID: Can you write in english on the ML please? 2007/10/7, Peter Vandenabeele : > > Beste, > > Moet ik vragen om ev. een Ruby developer room te krijgen > > Naast dit: > > http://archive.fosdem.org/2007/schedule/devrooms > > zal het niet zo evident zijn om nog een room te krijgen, maar > we kunnen proberen. > > Dit is nog leeg ... > > http://fosdem.org/2008/schedule/devrooms > > Peter > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Christophe Vandeplas > Date: Oct 7, 2007 2:32 PM > Subject: Re: [FOSDEM] 23-24 Feb 2008 FOSDEM? > To: FOSDEM visitors > > The date will be the 23rd and 24th Feb 2008. > > Unfortunately due to (the usual) administrative slowness of the location > where we organise the event we cannot confirm this 100% sure. > > We already reserved some rooms for that week-end for the speakers. So > don't expect it to change except if unexpected problems arise. > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > -- Simonis Christophe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/brug-talk/attachments/20071007/6adf2fee/attachment.html From peter at xaop.com Sun Oct 7 14:22:49 2007 From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven) Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 20:22:49 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Fwd: [FOSDEM] 23-24 Feb 2008 FOSDEM? In-Reply-To: References: <166745da0710070419ke83f51cu74b870515b707166@mail.gmail.com> <4708D1EC.9080802@fosdem.org> Message-ID: <470923F9.80901@xaop.com> Hi, Yes, please ask. Regards, Peter Vanbroekhoven XaoP Peter Vandenabeele wrote: > Beste, > > Moet ik vragen om ev. een Ruby developer room te krijgen > > Naast dit: > > http://archive.fosdem.org/2007/schedule/devrooms > > zal het niet zo evident zijn om nog een room te krijgen, maar > we kunnen proberen. > > Dit is nog leeg ... > > http://fosdem.org/2008/schedule/devrooms > > Peter > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Christophe Vandeplas > Date: Oct 7, 2007 2:32 PM > Subject: Re: [FOSDEM] 23-24 Feb 2008 FOSDEM? > To: FOSDEM visitors > > The date will be the 23rd and 24th Feb 2008. > > Unfortunately due to (the usual) administrative slowness of the location > where we organise the event we cannot confirm this 100% sure. > > We already reserved some rooms for that week-end for the speakers. So > don't expect it to change except if unexpected problems arise. > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > From peter at vandenabeele.com Sun Oct 7 14:35:38 2007 From: peter at vandenabeele.com (Peter Vandenabeele) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 20:35:38 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Fwd: [FOSDEM] 23-24 Feb 2008 FOSDEM? In-Reply-To: References: <166745da0710070419ke83f51cu74b870515b707166@mail.gmail.com> <4708D1EC.9080802@fosdem.org> Message-ID: On 10/7/07, Christophe Simonis wrote: > Can you write in english on the ML please? Very sorry for that ... I really have to get rid of the habit that is formed when working at the Federal Public Services, where Dutch, French and German are formally allowed as languages, but English is strictly "verboten" (since not an official language of Belgium). So, what I proposed was: "Should I ask to Raph from fosdem to get a Ruby developer room at fosdem 2008 ? Next to: http://archive.fosdem.org/2007/schedule/devrooms it will not be trivial to get a room, but we can try. This page is still empty for now ... http://fosdem.org/2008/schedule/devrooms Peter From stephane.wirtel at gmail.com Mon Oct 8 01:28:02 2007 From: stephane.wirtel at gmail.com (Stephane Wirtel) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 07:28:02 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Fwd: [FOSDEM] 23-24 Feb 2008 FOSDEM? In-Reply-To: References: <166745da0710070419ke83f51cu74b870515b707166@mail.gmail.com> <4708D1EC.9080802@fosdem.org> Message-ID: Peter, A room for Ruby, ok You can ask to Laurent Sansonetti If he can come to the Fosdem, to present RubyCocoa. For the presentations in the room, some ideas ( I am a developer, so it's a list of presentation about the development :d ) - Ruby & DSL ( with the metaprogramming ) ( sorry Peter :d ) How to write a small DSL if you work with a compiled language, how to generate a source code ( write a source code to generate classes or a structure of database :d ) How to be a smart devel ( generate source code with ruby ) - XML with Ruby REXML, libxml, xpath, SOAP, XML Schema, XSLT ( ruby-xslt produces an extension with libexslt, to introduce some ruby code to the exslt engine ). - Camping ( static website ) & Rails ( dynamic ) and MERB - small presentation of Mongrel ( directory handler, ... ) - Use ActiveRecord without Rails, - How to create a gem with newgem, ... - Very important BDD, RSpec, Runit, autotest, ... About the administration with Ruby, - How to move Python or Perl to the trash can ? ( joke, I like Python :d ) - How to write a daemon with ruby ? ( for Windows, a NT Service ). A good presentation with ruby-gtk2, ruby-qt4, or RubyFOX ? Regards, Stephane, -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/brug-talk/attachments/20071008/69f9f99e/attachment-0001.html From peter at xaop.com Mon Oct 8 04:09:32 2007 From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 10:09:32 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] trouble with the emails settings on Google Group In-Reply-To: References: <1191615890.683522.234380@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <4706C179.4030804@xaop.com> <47075F96.4090207@xaop.com> Message-ID: <4709E5BC.8040308@xaop.com> Alain, Alain Ravet wrote: > Why did you setup a Google mirror in the first place? > Google group is superior, and it makes my/our life easier. > Subscription takes 10 seconds. Same for cancellation. No password to > remember, etc, etc.. > I set it up because I know people have different preference regarding web interfaces and email. And, well... it was supposed to work flawlessly (we don't expect anything less from Google, right?) > The way it's setup currently - no way to get each email from the > mirror -, it's useless, but for the Web Interface, and the archive, > and the easy of each user message, and the rating, .. :) > > So, I'm forced to subscribe to 4 list : > - subscribe (email+password) to the 2 rubyforge lists just to get the emails, > - subscribe to the Google groups to get a decent Web Interface and > access to the archive. > > Less is more. It's obvious, isn't it? > I think the superiority of Google groups is really a matter of taste. You are clearly on one end of the spectrum. On the other end of the spectrum will be those among us who don't have or want a Gmail address. They need to create one, and monitor an extra email address. Sure, Gmail can do forwarding if needed, but then we are leaning towards more again, and forwarding does break too. I don't want to unilaterally decide this. I'll start another thread to ask for the whole community's opinion. Regards, Peter Vanbroekhoven XaoP From peter at vandenabeele.com Mon Oct 8 04:23:35 2007 From: peter at vandenabeele.com (Peter Vandenabeele) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 10:23:35 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Fwd: [FOSDEM] 23-24 Feb 2008 FOSDEM? In-Reply-To: References: <166745da0710070419ke83f51cu74b870515b707166@mail.gmail.com> <4708D1EC.9080802@fosdem.org> Message-ID: On 10/8/07, Stephane Wirtel wrote: > A room for Ruby, ok I sent the message below to Raph, with you e-mail in attachment. I will inform the list if I get a response from Raph. Peter +++ Raph, In name of the newly formed "Belgian Ruby Users Group", I am asking if we could organise a "Ruby and Rails developer room" at fosdem. Obviously you are aware of the growing importance of Ruby and Rails in the Open Source world but now with the BRUG we also have the organisation that is capable of handling the logistics. The member list is not public (yet), but our first meeting last week, had around 30 participants, amongst which some of the most active Ruby and Rails developers in Belgium. Could you please quickly inform us of your decision on the availability of a developer room for Ruby and Rails ? Below is a mail from Stephane Wirtel, where he already describes some possible programme and a person to invite. Did you already plan a Ruby or Rails speaker on the regular program ? Thanks, Peter From peter at xaop.com Mon Oct 8 04:39:12 2007 From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 10:39:12 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Mailing list or Google group Message-ID: <4709ECB0.6040701@xaop.com> Hi all, Currently, the setup of the Google group I created is not ideal, and that's an understatement. Alain raised this issue and suggested to go Google group only. Before I make a decision on this, I want to ask for everyone's opinion, because currently it's only Alain that has complained. The options are as follows: * Mailing list hosted at Rubyforge : provides only a mail interface, requires you to choose a password, but works with general email addresses. Provides archives as well. * Google group : provides a mail interface and a web interface. Integrates well with your Gmail account. Provides archives. * Mailing list + Google group : The Google group becomes harder to use. It's useless if used as a mailing list, and you need to subscribe to the mailing list if you want to post to the Google group. If we host our own mailing list then the password requirement can be dropped, and we can probably sync the subscriber list with the Google group. But I expect there will always be some kind of trouble. I have created a poll, and you can vote here: http://www.doodle.ch/nm8u5bh7g3cmhtke This is just to indicate your *preference*. If you have strong feelings on any of these options, I urge you to voice them here. I hope we can decide this soon. We already have around 50 people subscribed to the mailing list, and the longer we wait, the more people will have to move if we make a change. Regards, Peter Vanbroekhoven XaoP From peter at vandenabeele.com Mon Oct 8 04:42:53 2007 From: peter at vandenabeele.com (Peter Vandenabeele) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 10:42:53 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Mailing list or Google group In-Reply-To: <4709ECB0.6040701@xaop.com> References: <4709ECB0.6040701@xaop.com> Message-ID: On 10/8/07, Peter Vanbroekhoven wrote: > I urge you to voice them here. At this time, I only work with old-fashioned mailing lists (no groups, forums etc.). If the solution does not send me e-mails, I am quite sure I will miss out about everything. Maybe an RSS feed from a forum could be a more modern solution ? But that's just me. Peter From peter at xaop.com Mon Oct 8 05:33:01 2007 From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 11:33:01 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] [Fwd: Re: Mailing list or Google group] Message-ID: <4709F94D.70301@xaop.com> -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Peter Vanbroekhoven Subject: Re: [Brug-talk] Mailing list or Google group Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 11:22:41 +0200 Size: 2007 Url: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/brug-talk/attachments/20071008/a869b382/attachment.mht From tom at 10to1.be Mon Oct 8 05:36:04 2007 From: tom at 10to1.be (Tom Klaasen) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 11:36:04 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Mailing list or Google group In-Reply-To: References: <4709ECB0.6040701@xaop.com> Message-ID: Hi, Just voicing my opinion: I prefer to receive updates in my mailbox. Second choice is an RSS feed. Web forums (where you have to go out and check) don't work for me: after a while, I forget they exist. Just my ? 0.02, On 10/8/07, Peter Vandenabeele wrote: > > On 10/8/07, Peter Vanbroekhoven wrote: > > I urge you to voice them here. > > At this time, I only work with old-fashioned mailing lists > (no groups, forums etc.). If the solution does not send me > e-mails, I am quite sure I will miss out about everything. > Maybe an RSS feed from a forum could be a more modern > solution ? > > But that's just me. > > Peter > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > -- Tom Klaasen 10to1 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The size of the hardware-boxes is a question we can answer after analysing the dataset/size. Contact me for more details discussions/meetings/examples/experience/... Rgds, Bernard On 08 Oct 2007, at 09:49, Bram / Mr. Henry wrote: > Hello, > > Anyone on track with the development of a API to make > the data in a huge database available online using Rails? > > It?s a rather big client with a very extensive catalogue. > Any examples, papers on this topic? > > Any thoughts on what kind of hardware we need? > ( dedicated machine? Security? ) > > groetjes, > Bram > > =================== > > > > we are Mr. Henry > i am Bram Plessers > > world wide web http://www.mrhenry.be > telephone +32 (0) 3 260 87 52 > fax +32 (0) 3 260 87 55 > > we live in Antwerp, Belgium > Juliaan Dillensstraat 54 > > we like sound scapes > > > > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/brug-talk/attachments/20071008/c4928d2b/attachment-0001.html From peter at xaop.com Mon Oct 8 08:18:25 2007 From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 14:18:25 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: <1be7247c0710051430q1ced6deaoea27aa3c073eea07@mail.gmail.com> References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> <3e85b8490710041058r37f00d68o62a970a1f54cd44@mail.gmail.com> <4705337E.7090103@fastfocus.be> <47060E96.2090102@xaop.com> <4706109B.4020900@xaop.com> <1be7247c0710051430q1ced6deaoea27aa3c073eea07@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <470A2011.70805@xaop.com> Laurent Sansonetti wrote: > Regarding the group website, I wasn't present at the meeting so I > don't really know what you are planning to do with it, but I wonder if > it's really interesting to provide content in both French and Dutch. > We should perhaps focus on English content at least initially, since > most (all?) of the people can understand it. Obviously the primary content should always be in English indeed. But the main reason for providing a translation has little to do with the ability to speak English; many people still prefer reading information in their native tongue no matter how good their English is. So, in the long term, providing translations for at least the most important content is a must, and if we want to encode it in the URL as Peter suggested, we need to take this into account from the beginning. Regards, Peter Vanbroekhoven XaoP From alain.ravet at gmail.com Mon Oct 8 08:27:48 2007 From: alain.ravet at gmail.com (Alain Ravet) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 14:27:48 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Mailing list or Google group In-Reply-To: References: <4709ECB0.6040701@xaop.com> Message-ID: Peter stated it, but it's worth repeating : "rubyforge + Google Group" doesn't work well (at all). Meaning: if you want to receive each mail posted to the list, then you MUST subscribe to the Rubyforge group (because the GoogleGroug is just a mirror in this configuration, and you cannot ask it/select the 'send me every email' option). So, please refrain from voting for 'Rubyforge + Google Group' unless you have actually tried it (I have), and it's good enough for you. Alain Ravet From peter at xaop.com Mon Oct 8 09:19:53 2007 From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 15:19:53 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Mailing list or Google group Message-ID: <470A2E79.4070801@xaop.com> -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Peter Vanbroekhoven Subject: Re: [Brug-talk] Mailing list or Google group Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 15:16:58 +0200 Size: 2504 Url: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/brug-talk/attachments/20071008/83fb6934/attachment.mht From peter at xaop.com Mon Oct 8 12:57:20 2007 From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 18:57:20 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: <9C76FADE-8597-4D30-81BF-5A7466850D61@openminds.be> References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> <9C76FADE-8597-4D30-81BF-5A7466850D61@openminds.be> Message-ID: <470A6170.7060602@xaop.com> Bernard Grymonpon wrote: > Hi all, > > As a Belgian hosting company, specializing in Rails hosting, we would > be ashamed if the BRUG would be hosted elsewere; we will provide the > hosting for the BRUG-website (unless someone objects to this). This > will be in the form of our Pro-hosting package, providing Ruby and > Rails support, a free domain name (suggestions anyone?) and mail > hosting for this domain, along with other goodies. Regarding the domain name... ruby.be is taken (that would have been nice if we wanted to create a Belgian Ruby portal, and host the user group at brug.ruby.be). brug.be is taken as well, as is rug.be. Longer possibilities are ruby-brug.be (parallels ruby-lang.org) or belgian-rug.be. If we consider the Ruby portal idea again, brug.ruby-lang.be is a possiblitity. It doesn't help to try the .org, .net, .eu domains, the short ones are all taken. Comments? Other suggestions? Regards, Peter Vanbroekhoven Xaop From laurent.sansonetti at gmail.com Mon Oct 8 15:30:33 2007 From: laurent.sansonetti at gmail.com (Laurent Sansonetti) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 21:30:33 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: <470A2011.70805@xaop.com> References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> <3e85b8490710041058r37f00d68o62a970a1f54cd44@mail.gmail.com> <4705337E.7090103@fastfocus.be> <47060E96.2090102@xaop.com> <4706109B.4020900@xaop.com> <1be7247c0710051430q1ced6deaoea27aa3c073eea07@mail.gmail.com> <470A2011.70805@xaop.com> Message-ID: <1be7247c0710081230of875cdewd58669f2cf551ea7@mail.gmail.com> On 10/8/07, Peter Vanbroekhoven wrote: > Laurent Sansonetti wrote: > > Regarding the group website, I wasn't present at the meeting so I > > don't really know what you are planning to do with it, but I wonder if > > it's really interesting to provide content in both French and Dutch. > > We should perhaps focus on English content at least initially, since > > most (all?) of the people can understand it. > > Obviously the primary content should always be in English indeed. But > the main reason for providing a translation has little to do with the > ability to speak English; many people still prefer reading information > in their native tongue no matter how good their English is. So, in the > long term, providing translations for at least the most important > content is a must, and if we want to encode it in the URL as Peter > suggested, we need to take this into account from the beginning. > Fair enough, I also do agree that providing translations is definitely a good idea, if we focus on English content first. We could even compete with the .fr or .nl monolingual groups :-) Laurent From laurent.sansonetti at gmail.com Mon Oct 8 15:32:04 2007 From: laurent.sansonetti at gmail.com (Laurent Sansonetti) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 21:32:04 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: <470A6170.7060602@xaop.com> References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> <9C76FADE-8597-4D30-81BF-5A7466850D61@openminds.be> <470A6170.7060602@xaop.com> Message-ID: <1be7247c0710081232l4b9fd0b8o99322678b979e2a0@mail.gmail.com> On 10/8/07, Peter Vanbroekhoven wrote: > Bernard Grymonpon wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > As a Belgian hosting company, specializing in Rails hosting, we would > > be ashamed if the BRUG would be hosted elsewere; we will provide the > > hosting for the BRUG-website (unless someone objects to this). This > > will be in the form of our Pro-hosting package, providing Ruby and > > Rails support, a free domain name (suggestions anyone?) and mail > > hosting for this domain, along with other goodies. > > > Regarding the domain name... ruby.be is taken (that would have been nice > if we wanted to create a Belgian Ruby portal, and host the user group at > brug.ruby.be). brug.be is taken as well, as is rug.be. Longer > possibilities are ruby-brug.be (parallels ruby-lang.org) or > belgian-rug.be. If we consider the Ruby portal idea again, > brug.ruby-lang.be is a possiblitity. It doesn't help to try the .org, > .net, .eu domains, the short ones are all taken. > ruby-lang.be sounds nice. What about rubybe.org which is a bit shorter? # The Ruby France association uses rubyfr.org. Laurent From laurent.sansonetti at gmail.com Mon Oct 8 15:42:30 2007 From: laurent.sansonetti at gmail.com (Laurent Sansonetti) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 21:42:30 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Fwd: [FOSDEM] 23-24 Feb 2008 FOSDEM? In-Reply-To: References: <166745da0710070419ke83f51cu74b870515b707166@mail.gmail.com> <4708D1EC.9080802@fosdem.org> Message-ID: <1be7247c0710081242x1cc8cddcof102d7a66c4c40f7@mail.gmail.com> I'm afraid I won't be able to attend FOSDEM this time (I will unfortunately be in the US). But I can ask my employer if he wants to sponsor my travel, which could be possible. I can also ask the usual RubyConf speakers if any of them is willing to give a talk there. I'm sure we can easily attract them with beer and/or chocolate :-) Laurent On 10/8/07, Stephane Wirtel wrote: > Peter, > > A room for Ruby, ok > > You can ask to Laurent Sansonetti If he can come to the Fosdem, to present > RubyCocoa. > > For the presentations in the room, some ideas ( I am a developer, so it's a > list of presentation about the development :d ) > > - Ruby & DSL ( with the metaprogramming ) ( sorry Peter :d ) > How to write a small DSL > if you work with a compiled language, how to generate a source code ( > write a source code to generate classes or a structure of database :d ) > How to be a smart devel ( generate source code with ruby ) > > - XML with Ruby > REXML, libxml, xpath, SOAP, XML Schema, XSLT ( ruby-xslt produces an > extension with libexslt, to introduce some ruby code to the exslt engine ). > > - Camping ( static website ) & Rails ( dynamic ) and MERB > - small presentation of Mongrel ( directory handler, ... ) > - Use ActiveRecord without Rails, > - How to create a gem with newgem, ... > - Very important BDD, RSpec, Runit, autotest, ... > > About the administration with Ruby, > - How to move Python or Perl to the trash can ? ( joke, I like Python :d ) > - How to write a daemon with ruby ? ( for Windows, a NT Service ). > > A good presentation with ruby-gtk2, ruby-qt4, or RubyFOX ? > > Regards, > > Stephane, > > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > > From laurent.sansonetti at gmail.com Mon Oct 8 15:55:25 2007 From: laurent.sansonetti at gmail.com (Laurent Sansonetti) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 21:55:25 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Mailing list or Google group In-Reply-To: <4709ECB0.6040701@xaop.com> References: <4709ECB0.6040701@xaop.com> Message-ID: <1be7247c0710081255pa32ed31m9ed4cc08a29dc9d2@mail.gmail.com> On 10/8/07, Peter Vanbroekhoven wrote: > I have created a poll, and you can vote here: > > http://www.doodle.ch/nm8u5bh7g3cmhtke > Where is the "facebook group" option? :-) Seriously, I'm for a simple mailing list, as it is now. The Google group AFAIK requires a Google account, which everybody may not have. Also, the rubyforge folks (well, Tom) are very responsive when something bad happens or when something needs to be quickly changed. Laurent From alain.ravet at gmail.com Tue Oct 9 05:43:27 2007 From: alain.ravet at gmail.com (Alain Ravet) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 11:43:27 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: <470A6170.7060602@xaop.com> References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> <9C76FADE-8597-4D30-81BF-5A7466850D61@openminds.be> <470A6170.7060602@xaop.com> Message-ID: > Regarding the domain name... Comments? Other suggestions? http://ruby-ug.be http://rug-be.org/ http://be-rug.org/ They are all available at the moment. To stay in the group admin subject, we could found those expenses by selling items around our newly designed - thanks Hans - and unique logo. - lapel pins - mugs - T-Shirts I don't know the European equivalent of Cafepress.com. If anybody has some information in that matter, shoot. Alain Ravet From bernard at openminds.be Tue Oct 9 06:21:22 2007 From: bernard at openminds.be (Bernard Grymonpon) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 12:21:22 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Stage - internship Message-ID: Hi list, Something completely different: if someone knows some students who have to do a "internship" during their last year in school (graduates, engineering, computer science...), we have serveral projects using Ruby and/or Ruby on Rails. Feel free to spread the word if you think someone might be searching for such a spot, as I assume internships with ruby/rails are not that easy to find, and we are more intrested in interns who are eager about ruby/rails. More info (in dutch, sorry) here: http://www.openminds.be/losse- paginas/stageopdrachten-2007-2008, pdf version here: http:// www.openminds.be/file_download/2 Rgds, Bernard From hans at verschooten.com Tue Oct 9 06:24:39 2007 From: hans at verschooten.com (Hans verschooten) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 12:24:39 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Technical question In-Reply-To: <3e85b8490710090224k61340dc9v361c62c1e7c297b0@mail.gmail.com> References: <3e85b8490710090224k61340dc9v361c62c1e7c297b0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3e85b8490710090324o5ae0834cnba7b9c39de77479@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I've a question that's been on my mind for a while now. If I have a Model for a House. A house can have many properties that describe it, the kind of roof, the windows, how many floors, orientation, ... Looking at an interface to create or update the house, this would mean a lot of select boxes. Now my question is, how would you set this up. Every option a separate model,for ex a house has_one rooftype. Or is there another way, for ex. to group all options in one database and then use polymorphic associations. What is the common practice for such things? Any tips are appreciated. Thanks, Hans From dieter.dhaeyere at gmail.com Tue Oct 9 06:28:22 2007 From: dieter.dhaeyere at gmail.com (Dieter D'haeyere) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 12:28:22 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Brug-talk Digest, Vol 10, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <869ace850710090328y102e0389y71ff5fca85cb051a@mail.gmail.com> maybe brugonrails.be could be a combination of two worlds ? Sincerely, Dieter. On 10/9/07, brug-talk-request at rubyforge.org wrote: > Send Brug-talk mailing list submissions to > brug-talk at rubyforge.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > brug-talk-request at rubyforge.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > brug-talk-owner at rubyforge.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Brug-talk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Setup BRUG website (Peter Vanbroekhoven) > 2. Re: Mailing list or Google group (Alain Ravet) > 3. Re: Mailing list or Google group (Peter Vanbroekhoven) > 4. Re: Setup BRUG website (Peter Vanbroekhoven) > 5. Re: Setup BRUG website (Laurent Sansonetti) > 6. Re: Setup BRUG website (Laurent Sansonetti) > 7. Re: Fwd: [FOSDEM] 23-24 Feb 2008 FOSDEM? (Laurent Sansonetti) > 8. Re: Mailing list or Google group (Laurent Sansonetti) > 9. Re: Setup BRUG website (Alain Ravet) > 10. Stage - internship (Bernard Grymonpon) > 11. Technical question (Hans verschooten) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 14:18:25 +0200 > From: Peter Vanbroekhoven > Subject: Re: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website > To: brug-talk at rubyforge.org > Message-ID: <470A2011.70805 at xaop.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Laurent Sansonetti wrote: > > Regarding the group website, I wasn't present at the meeting so I > > don't really know what you are planning to do with it, but I wonder if > > it's really interesting to provide content in both French and Dutch. > > We should perhaps focus on English content at least initially, since > > most (all?) of the people can understand it. > > Obviously the primary content should always be in English indeed. But > the main reason for providing a translation has little to do with the > ability to speak English; many people still prefer reading information > in their native tongue no matter how good their English is. So, in the > long term, providing translations for at least the most important > content is a must, and if we want to encode it in the URL as Peter > suggested, we need to take this into account from the beginning. > > Regards, > Peter Vanbroekhoven > XaoP > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 14:27:48 +0200 > From: "Alain Ravet" > Subject: Re: [Brug-talk] Mailing list or Google group > To: brug-talk at rubyforge.org > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Peter stated it, but it's worth repeating : > "rubyforge + Google Group" > doesn't work well (at all). > > Meaning: if you want to receive each mail posted to the list, then you > MUST subscribe to the Rubyforge group (because the GoogleGroug is just > a mirror in this configuration, and you cannot ask it/select the 'send > me every email' option). > > So, please refrain from voting for 'Rubyforge + Google Group' unless > you have actually tried it (I have), and it's good enough for you. > > Alain Ravet > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 15:19:53 +0200 > From: Peter Vanbroekhoven > Subject: Re: [Brug-talk] Mailing list or Google group > To: brug-talk at rubyforge.org > Message-ID: <470A2E79.4070801 at xaop.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An embedded message was scrubbed... > From: Peter Vanbroekhoven > Subject: Re: [Brug-talk] Mailing list or Google group > Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 15:16:58 +0200 > Size: 2504 > Url: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/brug-talk/attachments/20071008/83fb6934/attachment-0001.mht > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 18:57:20 +0200 > From: Peter Vanbroekhoven > Subject: Re: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website > To: brug-talk at rubyforge.org > Message-ID: <470A6170.7060602 at xaop.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Bernard Grymonpon wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > As a Belgian hosting company, specializing in Rails hosting, we would > > be ashamed if the BRUG would be hosted elsewere; we will provide the > > hosting for the BRUG-website (unless someone objects to this). This > > will be in the form of our Pro-hosting package, providing Ruby and > > Rails support, a free domain name (suggestions anyone?) and mail > > hosting for this domain, along with other goodies. > > > Regarding the domain name... ruby.be is taken (that would have been nice > if we wanted to create a Belgian Ruby portal, and host the user group at > brug.ruby.be). brug.be is taken as well, as is rug.be. Longer > possibilities are ruby-brug.be (parallels ruby-lang.org) or > belgian-rug.be. If we consider the Ruby portal idea again, > brug.ruby-lang.be is a possiblitity. It doesn't help to try the .org, > .net, .eu domains, the short ones are all taken. > > Comments? Other suggestions? > > Regards, > Peter Vanbroekhoven > Xaop > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 21:30:33 +0200 > From: "Laurent Sansonetti" > Subject: Re: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website > To: brug-talk at rubyforge.org > Message-ID: > <1be7247c0710081230of875cdewd58669f2cf551ea7 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On 10/8/07, Peter Vanbroekhoven wrote: > > Laurent Sansonetti wrote: > > > Regarding the group website, I wasn't present at the meeting so I > > > don't really know what you are planning to do with it, but I wonder if > > > it's really interesting to provide content in both French and Dutch. > > > We should perhaps focus on English content at least initially, since > > > most (all?) of the people can understand it. > > > > Obviously the primary content should always be in English indeed. But > > the main reason for providing a translation has little to do with the > > ability to speak English; many people still prefer reading information > > in their native tongue no matter how good their English is. So, in the > > long term, providing translations for at least the most important > > content is a must, and if we want to encode it in the URL as Peter > > suggested, we need to take this into account from the beginning. > > > > Fair enough, I also do agree that providing translations is definitely > a good idea, if we focus on English content first. We could even > compete with the .fr or .nl monolingual groups :-) > > Laurent > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 21:32:04 +0200 > From: "Laurent Sansonetti" > Subject: Re: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website > To: brug-talk at rubyforge.org > Message-ID: > <1be7247c0710081232l4b9fd0b8o99322678b979e2a0 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On 10/8/07, Peter Vanbroekhoven wrote: > > Bernard Grymonpon wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > As a Belgian hosting company, specializing in Rails hosting, we would > > > be ashamed if the BRUG would be hosted elsewere; we will provide the > > > hosting for the BRUG-website (unless someone objects to this). This > > > will be in the form of our Pro-hosting package, providing Ruby and > > > Rails support, a free domain name (suggestions anyone?) and mail > > > hosting for this domain, along with other goodies. > > > > > > Regarding the domain name... ruby.be is taken (that would have been nice > > if we wanted to create a Belgian Ruby portal, and host the user group at > > brug.ruby.be). brug.be is taken as well, as is rug.be. Longer > > possibilities are ruby-brug.be (parallels ruby-lang.org) or > > belgian-rug.be. If we consider the Ruby portal idea again, > > brug.ruby-lang.be is a possiblitity. It doesn't help to try the .org, > > .net, .eu domains, the short ones are all taken. > > > > ruby-lang.be sounds nice. What about rubybe.org which is a bit shorter? > > # The Ruby France association uses rubyfr.org. > > Laurent > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 21:42:30 +0200 > From: "Laurent Sansonetti" > Subject: Re: [Brug-talk] Fwd: [FOSDEM] 23-24 Feb 2008 FOSDEM? > To: brug-talk at rubyforge.org > Message-ID: > <1be7247c0710081242x1cc8cddcof102d7a66c4c40f7 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I'm afraid I won't be able to attend FOSDEM this time (I will > unfortunately be in the US). But I can ask my employer if he wants to > sponsor my travel, which could be possible. > > I can also ask the usual RubyConf speakers if any of them is willing > to give a talk there. I'm sure we can easily attract them with beer > and/or chocolate :-) > > Laurent > > On 10/8/07, Stephane Wirtel wrote: > > Peter, > > > > A room for Ruby, ok > > > > You can ask to Laurent Sansonetti If he can come to the Fosdem, to present > > RubyCocoa. > > > > For the presentations in the room, some ideas ( I am a developer, so it's a > > list of presentation about the development :d ) > > > > - Ruby & DSL ( with the metaprogramming ) ( sorry Peter :d ) > > How to write a small DSL > > if you work with a compiled language, how to generate a source code ( > > write a source code to generate classes or a structure of database :d ) > > How to be a smart devel ( generate source code with ruby ) > > > > - XML with Ruby > > REXML, libxml, xpath, SOAP, XML Schema, XSLT ( ruby-xslt produces an > > extension with libexslt, to introduce some ruby code to the exslt engine ). > > > > - Camping ( static website ) & Rails ( dynamic ) and MERB > > - small presentation of Mongrel ( directory handler, ... ) > > - Use ActiveRecord without Rails, > > - How to create a gem with newgem, ... > > - Very important BDD, RSpec, Runit, autotest, ... > > > > About the administration with Ruby, > > - How to move Python or Perl to the trash can ? ( joke, I like Python :d ) > > - How to write a daemon with ruby ? ( for Windows, a NT Service ). > > > > A good presentation with ruby-gtk2, ruby-qt4, or RubyFOX ? > > > > Regards, > > > > Stephane, > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Brug-talk mailing list > > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 21:55:25 +0200 > From: "Laurent Sansonetti" > Subject: Re: [Brug-talk] Mailing list or Google group > To: brug-talk at rubyforge.org > Message-ID: > <1be7247c0710081255pa32ed31m9ed4cc08a29dc9d2 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On 10/8/07, Peter Vanbroekhoven wrote: > > I have created a poll, and you can vote here: > > > > http://www.doodle.ch/nm8u5bh7g3cmhtke > > > > Where is the "facebook group" option? :-) > > Seriously, I'm for a simple mailing list, as it is now. The Google > group AFAIK requires a Google account, which everybody may not have. > > Also, the rubyforge folks (well, Tom) are very responsive when > something bad happens or when something needs to be quickly changed. > > Laurent > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 11:43:27 +0200 > From: "Alain Ravet" > Subject: Re: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website > To: brug-talk at rubyforge.org > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > Regarding the domain name... Comments? Other suggestions? > > http://ruby-ug.be > http://rug-be.org/ > http://be-rug.org/ > > They are all available at the moment. > > To stay in the group admin subject, we could found those expenses by > selling items around our newly designed - thanks Hans - and unique > logo. > - lapel pins > - mugs > - T-Shirts > > I don't know the European equivalent of Cafepress.com. If anybody has > some information in that matter, shoot. > > Alain Ravet > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 12:21:22 +0200 > From: Bernard Grymonpon > Subject: [Brug-talk] Stage - internship > To: brug-talk at rubyforge.org > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > Hi list, > > Something completely different: if someone knows some students who > have to do a "internship" during their last year in school > (graduates, engineering, computer science...), we have serveral > projects using Ruby and/or Ruby on Rails. > > Feel free to spread the word if you think someone might be searching > for such a spot, as I assume internships with ruby/rails are not that > easy to find, and we are more intrested in interns who are eager > about ruby/rails. > > More info (in dutch, sorry) here: http://www.openminds.be/losse- > paginas/stageopdrachten-2007-2008, pdf version here: http:// > www.openminds.be/file_download/2 > > Rgds, > Bernard > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 12:24:39 +0200 > From: "Hans verschooten" > Subject: [Brug-talk] Technical question > To: brug-talk at rubyforge.org > Message-ID: > <3e85b8490710090324o5ae0834cnba7b9c39de77479 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi all, > > I've a question that's been on my mind for a while now. > If I have a Model for a House. A house can have many properties that > describe it, the kind of roof, the windows, how many floors, > orientation, ... > Looking at an interface to create or update the house, this would mean > a lot of select boxes. > > Now my question is, how would you set this up. Every option a separate > model,for ex a house has_one rooftype. Or is there another way, for > ex. to group all options in one database and then use polymorphic > associations. > > What is the common practice for such things? Any tips are appreciated. > > Thanks, > Hans > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > > > End of Brug-talk Digest, Vol 10, Issue 1 > **************************************** > From peter at vandenabeele.com Tue Oct 9 10:49:31 2007 From: peter at vandenabeele.com (Peter Vandenabeele) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 16:49:31 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Setup BRUG website In-Reply-To: References: <47050731.8030908@xaop.com> <9C76FADE-8597-4D30-81BF-5A7466850D61@openminds.be> <470A6170.7060602@xaop.com> Message-ID: On 10/9/07, Alain Ravet wrote: > > Regarding the domain name... Comments? Other suggestions? > > http://ruby-ug.be > http://rug-be.org/ > http://be-rug.org/ > > They are all available at the moment. Just