From stephane.wirtel at gmail.com Fri Aug 3 08:09:45 2007 From: stephane.wirtel at gmail.com (Stephane Wirtel) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 14:09:45 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] First post on the mailing list Message-ID: Hi all, I am Stephane Wirtel from Charleroi. I use Ruby for 2 years on Windows & Linux. And you ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/brug-talk/attachments/20070803/85ba1df0/attachment.html From calamitates at gmail.com Mon Aug 6 11:15:03 2007 From: calamitates at gmail.com (Calamitas) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 17:15:03 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Welcome Message-ID: Hi, Just wanted to wish you all welcome to brug-talk. Besides being an abbreviation of Belgian Ruby User Group, the name BRUG is intended to reflect our bigger goal: build a bridge between Ruby and Belgium. (Although maybe not obvious to those who don't speak Dutch.) Currently, we are trying to set a date for the first week of October. That's still relatively long from now, but it gives us time to organize things well. We are thinking of starting at 19h-19h30, but we can vote on that as it largely depends on when people can get here. Depending on the program, the meeting should last about 2 to 3 hours. Our main concern now is what that program will be. We welcome any suggestions. The program can be quite varied, ranging from hour-long in-depth technical presentations to short introductions to libraries you have used or have written yourself, but it should certainly not be limited to that. The program should probably be a good mixture of Ruby and Rails; the way I see it, Rails is a big part of Ruby, and vice versa. So, if you think you've got something interesting to tell your fellow Rubyists, let us know. If you know someone else who can tell us a few interesting things, let us know! Oh, and if you can get Matz or DHH to come over, definitely let us know!!! The first meeting probably shouldn't have the heaviest of programs though; it will be all about getting to know each other, about socializing, and we don't want people to just come here, listen to a few presentations, and leave. So... let the flow of topics commence! With kind regards, Peter From werner.ramaekers at gmail.com Mon Aug 6 14:16:33 2007 From: werner.ramaekers at gmail.com (Werner Ramaekers) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 20:16:33 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Welcome In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4acd25d70708061116i750e65a5r46b1fc65b067071b@mail.gmail.com> Hello, my name is Werner Ramaekers and i work at the R&D lab of VRT and have been working with Ruby on Rails since December 2005. I hope the Belgian Ruby User Group will be successful but i would like to ask some questions regarding your mail. I hope we can be as open as possible in expressing our views and hope to encourage communication in this user group. 1. The mail address you use is calamitates at gmail.com, you sign with Peter without a last name and you talk about "We" in the mail as in : "we are trying to set a date for the first week of October" So i think it would be helpful to all to be clear about : a. who is Peter ? does he have a lastname ? :) b. who is the "we" in your mail, i think you are asking for the "brug" community to help out in creating something but i'm afraid doing it this way will prove to be difficult. As a long time background in Java starting in 1997 this is not the first user group that i'm involved in, so i have some experience in what kind off works and what doesn't :) Looking forward to a healthy and vibrant user group Werner -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ir. Werner Ramaekers Read my Blog at http://www.werner.be ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On 8/6/07, Calamitas wrote: > Hi, > > Just wanted to wish you all welcome to brug-talk. > > Besides being an abbreviation of Belgian Ruby User Group, the name > BRUG is intended to reflect our bigger goal: build a bridge between > Ruby and Belgium. (Although maybe not obvious to those who don't speak > Dutch.) > > Currently, we are trying to set a date for the first week of October. > That's still relatively long from now, but it gives us time to > organize things well. We are thinking of starting at 19h-19h30, but we > can vote on that as it largely depends on when people can get here. > Depending on the program, the meeting should last about 2 to 3 hours. > > Our main concern now is what that program will be. We welcome any > suggestions. The program can be quite varied, ranging from hour-long > in-depth technical presentations to short introductions to libraries > you have used or have written yourself, but it should certainly not be > limited to that. The program should probably be a good mixture of Ruby > and Rails; the way I see it, Rails is a big part of Ruby, and vice > versa. So, if you think you've got something interesting to tell your > fellow Rubyists, let us know. If you know someone else who can tell us > a few interesting things, let us know! Oh, and if you can get Matz or > DHH to come over, definitely let us know!!! The first meeting probably > shouldn't have the heaviest of programs though; it will be all about > getting to know each other, about socializing, and we don't want > people to just come here, listen to a few presentations, and leave. > > So... let the flow of topics commence! > > With kind regards, > Peter > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > From laurent.sansonetti at gmail.com Mon Aug 6 15:52:54 2007 From: laurent.sansonetti at gmail.com (Laurent Sansonetti) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 21:52:54 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Welcome In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1be7247c0708061252hfbf014bm9e626fb1974b5ef7@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I just joined the list after the announcement on ruby-talk. I'm extremely glad to hear that a Belgian Ruby user group is getting created, this is very cool! I am a longtime Ruby enthusiast (since ~2002). I am originally from Belgium, though I now live between Paris and the silicon valley. But I sometimes come back to Belgium, and if it coincides with an organized meeting I would be happy to attend (or even do a presentation). # BTW, I will be in Liege/Luik next week. There is a big party there for the 15 August [1]. If you want to come and discuss Ruby while drinking some Peket, we can organize something :-) Laurent [1]: http://www.wallonie-tourisme.be/tourisme/description.php?ID=263&CLANGUE=en&T=E&ELTOID=19459 From thomas9999 at gmail.com Mon Aug 6 17:43:12 2007 From: thomas9999 at gmail.com (Thomas Richard) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 23:43:12 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Welcome In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello all, I would like to say hi to this BRUG community aswell. I am studying civil engineering (K.U. Leuven) at the moment. This means i'm still pretty young (18) and I don't have alot of experience with these kind of communities. I'm looking forward to participate in a meeting like this though. It will certainly be a rich experience for me. As for my programming skills. I only just started using Ruby on Rails, just for fun actually. I'm always looking for some kind of challenge where i can bite myself into. I'm currently going threw the basics of the RoR framework and i must admit that they look promising. Looking forward to hear more. Greetings, Thomas Richard 2007/8/6, Calamitas : > Hi, > > Just wanted to wish you all welcome to brug-talk. > > Besides being an abbreviation of Belgian Ruby User Group, the name > BRUG is intended to reflect our bigger goal: build a bridge between > Ruby and Belgium. (Although maybe not obvious to those who don't speak > Dutch.) > > Currently, we are trying to set a date for the first week of October. > That's still relatively long from now, but it gives us time to > organize things well. We are thinking of starting at 19h-19h30, but we > can vote on that as it largely depends on when people can get here. > Depending on the program, the meeting should last about 2 to 3 hours. > > Our main concern now is what that program will be. We welcome any > suggestions. The program can be quite varied, ranging from hour-long > in-depth technical presentations to short introductions to libraries > you have used or have written yourself, but it should certainly not be > limited to that. The program should probably be a good mixture of Ruby > and Rails; the way I see it, Rails is a big part of Ruby, and vice > versa. So, if you think you've got something interesting to tell your > fellow Rubyists, let us know. If you know someone else who can tell us > a few interesting things, let us know! Oh, and if you can get Matz or > DHH to come over, definitely let us know!!! The first meeting probably > shouldn't have the heaviest of programs though; it will be all about > getting to know each other, about socializing, and we don't want > people to just come here, listen to a few presentations, and leave. > > So... let the flow of topics commence! > > With kind regards, > Peter > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > From steve.verlinden at gmail.com Mon Aug 6 18:12:33 2007 From: steve.verlinden at gmail.com (Steve Verlinden) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 00:12:33 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Welcome In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi all, Let's continue with the presentations ! First of all, I'm really happy of this creation of a Belgian user group about Ruby (more precisely about Rails in my case). I'm Steve Verlinden, 21 years old computer sciences student at University of Mons, I've just got my bachelor graduate (3 first years) so still 2 years to go for the Master! I started with Ruby/Rails 1 year ago, I really falled "in love" for the RoR framework ( what a pleasure to say "Bye Bye PHP .."). This year, with a friend, we did a school project whith Rails (while other did it whit php...) and we were really glad because first, our project received the best note, and second, our professors didn't know anything about the Rails framework! Soon, I'll start a big project in Rails, and I hope this community will bring to me answers when I would have questions! ( I've no doubt about it, there are here people with more experience than a young men like me ^-^ ) Best regards, Steve 2007/8/6, Thomas Richard : > > Hello all, > > I would like to say hi to this BRUG community aswell. I am studying > civil engineering (K.U. Leuven) at the moment. This means i'm still > pretty young (18) and I don't have alot of experience with these kind > of communities. I'm looking forward to participate in a meeting like > this though. It will certainly be a rich experience for me. > > As for my programming skills. I only just started using Ruby on Rails, > just for fun actually. I'm always looking for some kind of challenge > where i can bite myself into. I'm currently going threw the basics of > the RoR framework and i must admit that they look promising. > > Looking forward to hear more. > > Greetings, > Thomas Richard > > 2007/8/6, Calamitas : > > Hi, > > > > Just wanted to wish you all welcome to brug-talk. > > > > Besides being an abbreviation of Belgian Ruby User Group, the name > > BRUG is intended to reflect our bigger goal: build a bridge between > > Ruby and Belgium. (Although maybe not obvious to those who don't speak > > Dutch.) > > > > Currently, we are trying to set a date for the first week of October. > > That's still relatively long from now, but it gives us time to > > organize things well. We are thinking of starting at 19h-19h30, but we > > can vote on that as it largely depends on when people can get here. > > Depending on the program, the meeting should last about 2 to 3 hours. > > > > Our main concern now is what that program will be. We welcome any > > suggestions. The program can be quite varied, ranging from hour-long > > in-depth technical presentations to short introductions to libraries > > you have used or have written yourself, but it should certainly not be > > limited to that. The program should probably be a good mixture of Ruby > > and Rails; the way I see it, Rails is a big part of Ruby, and vice > > versa. So, if you think you've got something interesting to tell your > > fellow Rubyists, let us know. If you know someone else who can tell us > > a few interesting things, let us know! Oh, and if you can get Matz or > > DHH to come over, definitely let us know!!! The first meeting probably > > shouldn't have the heaviest of programs though; it will be all about > > getting to know each other, about socializing, and we don't want > > people to just come here, listen to a few presentations, and leave. > > > > So... let the flow of topics commence! > > > > With kind regards, > > Peter > > _______________________________________________ > > Brug-talk mailing list > > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > > > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But I think its worth the pain :-) I currently write articles for http://www.ridingrails.be and did a few introduction presentation on Rails in companies that we work with, just to show them where we want to move to over time. We also attended RubyEnRails in Holland a few months ago and I'm going to RailsConf Europe in september. Is anyone else going there? I'm looking forward to meet you all! Stijn > 2007/8/6, Calamitas >: > > Hi, > > > > Just wanted to wish you all welcome to brug-talk. > > > > Besides being an abbreviation of Belgian Ruby User Group, the name > > BRUG is intended to reflect our bigger goal: build a bridge between > > Ruby and Belgium. (Although maybe not obvious to those who don't > speak > > Dutch.) > > > > Currently, we are trying to set a date for the first week of > October. > > That's still relatively long from now, but it gives us time to > > organize things well. We are thinking of starting at 19h-19h30, > but we > > can vote on that as it largely depends on when people can get here. > > Depending on the program, the meeting should last about 2 to 3 > hours. > > > > Our main concern now is what that program will be. We welcome any > > suggestions. The program can be quite varied, ranging from hour-long > > in-depth technical presentations to short introductions to libraries > > you have used or have written yourself, but it should certainly > not be > > limited to that. The program should probably be a good mixture > of Ruby > > and Rails; the way I see it, Rails is a big part of Ruby, and vice > > versa. So, if you think you've got something interesting to tell > your > > fellow Rubyists, let us know. If you know someone else who can > tell us > > a few interesting things, let us know! Oh, and if you can get > Matz or > > DHH to come over, definitely let us know!!! The first meeting > probably > > shouldn't have the heaviest of programs though; it will be all about > > getting to know each other, about socializing, and we don't want > > people to just come here, listen to a few presentations, and leave. > > > > So... let the flow of topics commence! > > > > With kind regards, > > Peter > > _______________________________________________ > > Brug-talk mailing list > > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > > > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/brug-talk/attachments/20070807/297f7e08/attachment-0001.html From syfys at interia.pl Tue Aug 7 04:20:37 2007 From: syfys at interia.pl (syfys at interia.pl) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 10:20:37 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Welcome In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46B82B55.8020600@interia.pl> Hi My name is Robert Begier, and I come from Poland. I provide polish community (mostly) in Belgium with IT services. Looking for a way to enrich the web sites I do, with more functionality (rails). Polish ruby/rails society seems to emerge as well. I'm very new to programming at all (2 months of reading so far), and no experience in any group like this, so I expect myself to listen rather then speak. But it would be great to meet you ... regards Robert ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Miarka sie przebrala! Sejm do Mongolii! >>>http://link.interia.pl/f1b3c From peter at xaop.com Tue Aug 7 04:58:26 2007 From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 10:58:26 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Welcome In-Reply-To: <4acd25d70708061116i750e65a5r46b1fc65b067071b@mail.gmail.com> References: <4acd25d70708061116i750e65a5r46b1fc65b067071b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 06/08/07, Werner Ramaekers wrote: > I hope we can be as open as possible in expressing our views and hope > to encourage communication in this user group. > > 1. The mail address you use is calamitates at gmail.com, you sign with > Peter without a last name and you talk about "We" in the mail as in : > "we are trying to set a date for the first week of October" > > So i think it would be helpful to all to be clear about : > a. who is Peter ? does he have a lastname ? :) > b. who is the "we" in your mail, i think you are asking for the > "brug" community to help out in creating something but i'm afraid > doing it this way will prove to be difficult. Hi, Sorry, my mistake. In gathering people, I had to subscribe to a few Google groups using my (non-personal -- for spam reasons) Gmail account, and I automatically used it for this mailing list. I'm going to use my company email address if that puts you more at ease :-) My full name is Peter Vanbroekhoven, I've recently started working for XaoP, a company based in Sint-Pieters-Leeuw. I've known and loved Ruby for over 4 and a half years now. I'm also known in the Ruby community as Calamitas, although I mostly lurk there. My personal contributions to the Ruby community have been few; I've mostly been helping out a friend and very active Rubyist behind the scenes. As for "we", it refers to my XaoP colleagues and me. Peter Vanbroekhoven XaoP, Belgium http://www.xaop.com From jean.lazarou at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 16:27:57 2007 From: jean.lazarou at gmail.com (Jean Lazarou) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 22:27:57 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Welcome Message-ID: <5b1bba270708071327u2eab78d7k50bae9e9aeb27a3d@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I am 42, I am mainly working in Java, but I am also working with Ruby and Ruby on Rails. What I would expect from a user group is a place where any one can find expertise, and get help. If the group organises some event, the event should be a plus for the attendees (for instance, I often saw useless technical presentations). Regards, Jean Lazarou From simonis.christophe at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 17:51:35 2007 From: simonis.christophe at gmail.com (Christophe Simonis) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 23:51:35 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Welcome In-Reply-To: <5b1bba270708071327u2eab78d7k50bae9e9aeb27a3d@mail.gmail.com> References: <5b1bba270708071327u2eab78d7k50bae9e9aeb27a3d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi All, As everybody is doing it, I'm going to introduce myself. I'm Christophe Simonis and I live in Charleroi but I'm from Li?ge, where I did my studies. I learned programming with Python with Mr Swinnen as supervisor(it's not a misuse of language, I really have the man as supervisor, not only the book). I continue with C, C++, Java, SQL at HERS(with the basis of html/js/php, that I go into details by myself). Then, I learned Delphi on the job. I discovered Ruby & RoR one year and half ago. From that time, I dream of programming professionally with this language. -- Simonis Christophe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/brug-talk/attachments/20070807/e73e6d3e/attachment.html From nboucart at gmail.com Wed Aug 8 02:24:11 2007 From: nboucart at gmail.com (Nick Boucart) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 08:24:11 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Welcome In-Reply-To: <46B82B55.8020600@interia.pl> References: <46B82B55.8020600@interia.pl> Message-ID: <8d9aaa2b0708072324r4d56a0aflc5343bcd910c181a@mail.gmail.com> Hi group, I am Nick Boucart, 33 years old. I have a strong background in python/jython and java. I started looking at rails approx. a year ago. I am an avid extreme programmer and as such an advocate of pair programming. The belgian XP user group used to hold pair-programming parties, in which they euhm, pair program on a common project. Maybe that is an idea for one of the brug meetings, to define a small web 2.0-ish project, and work on it during our meetings. This way, not only people will see different aspects of programming in ruby and rails, but also will expose ways of people working with it. If I see on screencasts how people fly with textmate on the mac, or if I work together with senior eclipse users in java, I almost always learn as much about coding and OO as I learn about using ide?s, small utilities that make live easier, good practises, etc... Since I?m doing my rails progamming mostly on my one (frankly, at the moment I?m only playing, I have 1 small datacenter monitoring webapp live at my previous company, but it is not a giant web project) I miss the interaction of working with others, learning and sharing knowledge. Looking forward to see how this brug evolves. Regards, Nick. www.redrobinsoftware.net/blog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/brug-talk/attachments/20070808/a0c177de/attachment.html From stijn at weblogik.be Wed Aug 8 02:45:09 2007 From: stijn at weblogik.be (Stijn Mathysen // Weblogik) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 08:45:09 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] SPAM ALERT Re: Welcome In-Reply-To: <8d9aaa2b0708072324r4d56a0aflc5343bcd910c181a@mail.gmail.com> References: <46B82B55.8020600@interia.pl> <8d9aaa2b0708072324r4d56a0aflc5343bcd910c181a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46B96675.60608@weblogik.be> Hi again, I think this is a great idea. I talked to Miles K. Forrest (from coderpath.com) a few weeks ago. He is member of the Seattle Ruby Brigade (along with Geoffrey Grosenbach) and he said that in the beginning they were focusing to much on presentations (in fact I think they gave everybody a topic to work out and present it). Once they dropped this "required" assignment the memberlist doubled. Instead they have small groups of people sitting together to talk about problems and work together on some stuff, and occasionally a presentation on an interesting topic. Maybe a good idea would be to create a webapplication where everybody could post questions and answers on rails (somewhat Forum-like)? Ciao, Stijn Nick Boucart wrote: > Hi group, > > I am Nick Boucart, 33 years old. I have a strong background in > python/jython and java. I started looking at rails approx. a year ago. > > I am an avid extreme programmer and as such an advocate of pair > programming. The belgian XP user group used to hold pair-programming > parties, in which they euhm, pair program on a common project. Maybe > that is an idea for one of the brug meetings, to define a small web > 2.0-ish project, and work on it during our meetings. This way, not > only people will see different aspects of programming in ruby and > rails, but also will expose ways of people working with it. If I see > on screencasts how people fly with textmate on the mac, or if I work > together with senior eclipse users in java, I almost always learn as > much about coding and OO as I learn about using ide?s, small utilities > that make live easier, good practises, etc... Since I?m doing my rails > progamming mostly on my one (frankly, at the moment I?m only playing, > I have 1 small datacenter monitoring webapp live at my previous > company, but it is not a giant web project) I miss the interaction of > working with others, learning and sharing knowledge. > > Looking forward to see how this brug evolves. > > Regards, > Nick. > > www.redrobinsoftware.net/blog > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/brug-talk/attachments/20070808/0428df9d/attachment.html From pint at xaop.com Wed Aug 8 10:49:14 2007 From: pint at xaop.com (pint at xaop.com) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 16:49:14 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Brug-talk] Welcome In-Reply-To: <8d9aaa2b0708072324r4d56a0aflc5343bcd910c181a@mail.gmail.com> References: <46B82B55.8020600@interia.pl> <8d9aaa2b0708072324r4d56a0aflc5343bcd910c181a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48438.195.206.74.130.1186584554.squirrel@195.206.74.130> Hi all, I'm Stijn Pint, a colleague of Peter Vanbroekhoven and Stijn Van Vreckem at XaoP, a small software development company. I've been working with Ruby and Rails for almost a year now, no need to say that it's been really fun :-) We are trying to make Ruby our core business. I like the suggestions from Nick and Stijn, maybe we have to look further than the classic "presentation user meetings" in order to keep everybody's enthusiasm alive. Regards, Stijn Pint From peter at xaop.com Thu Aug 9 09:00:06 2007 From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 15:00:06 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] SPAM ALERT Re: Welcome In-Reply-To: <46B96675.60608@weblogik.be> References: <46B82B55.8020600@interia.pl> <8d9aaa2b0708072324r4d56a0aflc5343bcd910c181a@mail.gmail.com> <46B96675.60608@weblogik.be> Message-ID: On 08/08/07, Stijn Mathysen // Weblogik wrote: > I think this is a great idea. I talked to Miles K. Forrest (from > coderpath.com) a few weeks ago. He is member of the Seattle Ruby Brigade > (along with Geoffrey Grosenbach) and he said that in the beginning they were > focusing to much on presentations (in fact I think they gave everybody a > topic to work out and present it). Once they dropped this "required" > assignment the memberlist doubled. Instead they have small groups of people > sitting together to talk about problems and work together on some stuff, and > occasionally a presentation on an interesting topic. I'm not sure that would work on a first meeting. The way I see the first meeting for the moment is 15 minutes or even half an hour for people to arrive, pick up a drink and socializing, followed by everyone saying who they are, what that their background is and what they expect from these RUG meetings. And then a presentation (possibly on metaprogramming) to have some substance to the meeting. Somewhere in between there should be time to eat. At the first meeting, most people will still be strangers to you, and you still need to discover common interests to be able to sit together, and talk about working on the same stuff. If you force people to do that right from the start, you will scare people off too. People need some time to settle in, build some trust. In time, we can migrate towards collaboration. And like you say, on occasion, there can still be a presentation or a demo of what people have done. I think we need to have these plenary activities too to avoid creating lots of separate user groups within BRUG. Kind regards, Peter Vanbroekhoven XaoP, Belgium http://www.xaop.com From brug at defv.be Thu Aug 9 09:48:11 2007 From: brug at defv.be (Jan De Poorter) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 15:48:11 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Welcome Message-ID: <46BB1B1B.7080905@defv.be> Hello, My name is Jan De Poorter, I'm 21, and I work as a coder and sysadmin at Openminds, a hoster/solutions provider in Ghent. I've had web-coding experience with asp, PHP, perl and now RoR. I've been programming in RoR for about a year now, and I'm not regretting it! At work I am involved with rails in two ways, since I do a lot of rails coding (We try to do all projects in Rails) and I am looking in to Rails Hosting solutions (We're one of the first rails hoster in Belgium, and are trying to keep doing cutting-edge hosting). My experience with Rails range from my first project in rails, 7bills.eu (which was a hobby-fun-project), to a whole control-panel (yet to be released). I actively blog on http://blog.defv.be, with now and then a RoR post. We (Openminds) are also attending Railsconf Europe, and looking forward to see a few of you there? And if not there, maybe on the first BRUG meeting? :-) regards, Jan PS: I liked Stijn's idea about the small groups of people! From peter at vandenabeele.com Fri Aug 10 13:16:05 2007 From: peter at vandenabeele.com (Peter Vandenabeele) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:16:05 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] using RoR for a "serious" site: how about security and performance ? Message-ID: Hi, I am Peter Vandenabeele and new to RoR. If I would build a site that would contain confidential data (e.g. a list of users, trusting me to not leak info like e.g. their e-mail addresses, real name, ...) and the site needs to process a large number of hits, would RoR then be a good candidate ? On the security side for Web applications, a lot issues need to be taken into account: cross site scripting, SQL injection, session cookies, etc. etc. How mature is RoR on the security side for "serious" applications? How fast are security problems resolved ? Do we know of security flaws that where exploited ? How does RoR compare against other common server technologies like Java and PhP ? On the performance side, Ruby is a scripting language, but do I understand correctly that e.g. JRuby and other initiatives my allow faster executing ? Does Ruby also offer things like "hot spot" run-time compilers etc. ? Or is performance already better than other technologies, so this is a non-issue ? Actually, do we know publicly in which server technologies, really big sites like LinkedIn, Xing, Spock and closer to home, netlog, are built ? Do we know of large cases of publicly accessible sites, containing sensitive data that _are_ built in RoR. This list: http://www.workingwithrails.com/browse/sites/country/Belgium was not that reassuring ... (might make sense to list a little more Belgian RoR projects there). And even on this list, http://www.workingwithrails.com/browse/sites/country/United+States I did not immediately recognize large names (but they may just be me). Thanks a lot for any comments, Peter -- Peter Vandenabeele http://www.vandenabeele.com/ http://www.linkedin.com/in/petervandenabeele/ http://www.taximize.be/ http://del.icio.us/petervandenabeele From maarten at fastfocus.be Wed Aug 15 03:37:26 2007 From: maarten at fastfocus.be (Maarten Porters) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 09:37:26 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Welcome Message-ID: <46C2AD36.2040901@fastfocus.be> Hi, My name is Maarten Porters and I'm sorry about my late introduction to the brug group. I started my own webdesign/webdevelopment company(FastFocus Studios) about a year ago. Since I never liked PHP or ASP it was an excellent opportunity to start using Rails for my projects. (and I don't regret it :) ). Besides Rails I'm also working with Flash and AS2. I guess I'm one of those few people who likes coding and design. A few months ago I started the ridingrails.be webblog with my collegues at Weblogik. I'm glad to hear about to Brug initiative because it contributes to the awareness of Ruby/Rails in Belgium. Count me in if we are going to organize some events in the near future. Best regards, Maarten From benny at gorilla-webdesign.be Wed Aug 15 18:08:16 2007 From: benny at gorilla-webdesign.be (Benny Degezelle) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 00:08:16 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] Welcome In-Reply-To: <46C2AD36.2040901@fastfocus.be> References: <46C2AD36.2040901@fastfocus.be> Message-ID: <8c6fca940708151508k798b5ccevc6f0cc518341fc1b@mail.gmail.com> Hello everyone, My name is Benny Degezelle, i'm 24, and half of Gorilla webdesign since november '06. I used to work with PHP, and switched to ruby and rails about a year ago. Since about 3 months we are mostly using Radiant CMS to make small to medium sized websites at low development cost. We have about a dozen rails-powered sites running so far, besides that there's no real "achievements" for me to list here (yet). Except for RubyEnRails 2 months ago, i have no experience with coder get-together's, but i'm certainly interested in attending these events. Regards, Benny Degezelle Gorilla webdesign www.gorilla-webdesign.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/brug-talk/attachments/20070816/a634907f/attachment.html From peter at xaop.com Tue Aug 28 09:10:43 2007 From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:10:43 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] First BRUG meeting Message-ID: Hi all, As mentioned before, we would like to hold the first BRUG meeting in the first week of October. The current proposal is one of 2, 3 and 4 October. Because we want to gather as many people as possible, it is probably best if we vote on this. You can send me your preferences in private so as to avoid swamping the mailing list. Another issue is the time at which to hold the meeting. Currently, we are thinking of starting at 18h so we can sit together with our newly made friends and have sandwiches at a reasonable hour. But this may be too early for some people to make it, so don't hesitate to voice your opinions on this. Finally, the program for the first meeting will probably be as follows: * Welcome * Everyone presenting themselves: who are they, how have they been using Ruby, what do they expect from these meetings? * Some discussion on what further meetings should look like (could ensue from or blend with the previous item) and when the next meeting will be * A presentation. Currently, we are considering one on metaprogramming because we know from experience that many Rubyists still consider that an advanced topic even though it is an invaluable tool. Other suggestions are welcome If there's something else you want to put on the agenda for the first meeting, or any other comments on it, just hit reply. Kind regards, Peter Vanbroekhoven XaoP, Belgium From peter at vandenabeele.com Tue Aug 28 09:34:13 2007 From: peter at vandenabeele.com (Peter Vandenabeele) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:34:13 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] First BRUG meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 8/28/07, Peter Vanbroekhoven wrote: > As mentioned before, we would like to hold the first BRUG meeting in > the first week of October. The current proposal is one of 2, 3 and 4 > October. Because we want to gather as many people as possible, it is > probably best if we vote on this. One way is to use a simple online poll mechanism. I have set-up a poll for 2, 3 and 4 October with start-timing 18:00 , 18:30 and 19:00. You can vote here: http://www.doodle.ch/592wk5sf2aschebz Of course, if you don't like that concept, just forget about it. I will send the "admin" key to Peter Vanbroekhoven. In which location (city) will it be held ? That will decide also on the timing. I prefer close to a train station, but also having some way to park a car ... Peter -- Peter Vandenabeele peter AT vandenabeele DOT com http://www.vandenabeele.com/ http://www.linkedin.com/in/petervandenabeele/ http://www.taximize.be/ http://del.icio.us/petervandenabeele From stephane.wirtel at gmail.com Tue Aug 28 09:39:30 2007 From: stephane.wirtel at gmail.com (Stephane Wirtel) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:39:30 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] First BRUG meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Perer, Where will place the meeting at ? because I work ( and live ) at Charleroi, Thanks Stephane -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/brug-talk/attachments/20070828/b90d5201/attachment.html From peter at xaop.com Tue Aug 28 11:37:08 2007 From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:37:08 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] First BRUG meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46D44124.3010701@xaop.com> Peter Vandenabeele wrote: > In which location (city) will it be held ? That will decide also on the > timing. I prefer close to a train station, but also having some way > to park a car ... BTW, the closest train station is Lot, which is a bit far to walk, but we have someone willing to play taxi. Just notify us up-front if you come by train. As for parking space, we have plenty outside office hours. Kind regards, Peter Vanbroekhoven XaoP, Belgium From peter at xaop.com Tue Aug 28 11:12:08 2007 From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:12:08 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] First BRUG meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46D43B48.2030407@xaop.com> Peter Vandenabeele wrote: > On 8/28/07, Peter Vanbroekhoven wrote: >> As mentioned before, we would like to hold the first BRUG meeting in >> the first week of October. The current proposal is one of 2, 3 and 4 >> October. Because we want to gather as many people as possible, it is >> probably best if we vote on this. > > One way is to use a simple online poll mechanism. I have set-up a poll > for 2, 3 and 4 October with start-timing 18:00 , 18:30 and 19:00. You > can vote here: > > http://www.doodle.ch/592wk5sf2aschebz > > Of course, if you don't like that concept, just forget about it. Voting is fine, no problem. > In which location (city) will it be held ? That will decide also on the > timing. I prefer close to a train station, but also having some way > to park a car ... It will be in Sint-Pieters-Leeuw, Bergensesteenweg 709A. Check our website (http://www.xaop.com) for the exact location. Kind regards, Peter Vanbroekhoven XaoP, Belgium From stijn at weblogik.be Wed Aug 29 02:22:13 2007 From: stijn at weblogik.be (Stijn Mathysen) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 08:22:13 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] SPAM ALERT Railsconf Europe Message-ID: <97C413E8D6894774BEF39D53606E774B.MAI@weblogik.be> Hi all, just wanted to let you know that I'll be at Railsconf Europe from sunday (16/9) evening (Bradwurst on Rails) till wednesday (19/9) evening. I'll be driving by car and still have a few seats left. Send me a private message if you want to carpool. Are there other BRUG members going to Railsconf? Maybe we can meet there? C-ya, Stijn From svv at xaop.com Wed Aug 29 08:48:06 2007 From: svv at xaop.com (Stijn Van Vreckem) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:48:06 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] SPAM ALERT Railsconf Europe In-Reply-To: <97C413E8D6894774BEF39D53606E774B.MAI@weblogik.be> References: <97C413E8D6894774BEF39D53606E774B.MAI@weblogik.be> Message-ID: <46D56B06.9000809@xaop.com> Hi Stijn, Stijn Pint and I will go to RailsConf Europe as well. We will go by plane. Regards, Stijn Van Vreckem Stijn Mathysen wrote: > Hi all, > > > just wanted to let you know that I'll be at Railsconf Europe from sunday (16/9) evening (Bradwurst on Rails) till wednesday (19/9) evening. I'll be driving by car and still have a few seats left. Send me a private message if you want to carpool. > > Are there other BRUG members going to Railsconf? Maybe we can meet there? > > > C-ya, > > > Stijn > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > From nico.oorts at gmail.com Wed Aug 29 08:58:15 2007 From: nico.oorts at gmail.com (nico oorts) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:58:15 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] SPAM ALERT Railsconf Europe In-Reply-To: <46D56B06.9000809@xaop.com> References: <97C413E8D6894774BEF39D53606E774B.MAI@weblogik.be> <46D56B06.9000809@xaop.com> Message-ID: <9ccc14bb0708290558i3a1e20d0i18844087c2a530be@mail.gmail.com> Hi Stijn & Stijn (& Stijn), I will also attend the RailsConf. Regards, Nico Oorts 2007/8/29, Stijn Van Vreckem : > > Hi Stijn, > > Stijn Pint and I will go to RailsConf Europe as well. > We will go by plane. > > Regards, > Stijn Van Vreckem > > > > > > > Stijn Mathysen wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > > > just wanted to let you know that I'll be at Railsconf Europe from sunday > (16/9) evening (Bradwurst on Rails) till wednesday (19/9) evening. I'll be > driving by car and still have a few seats left. Send me a private message if > you want to carpool. > > > > Are there other BRUG members going to Railsconf? Maybe we can meet > there? > > > > > > C-ya, > > > > > > Stijn > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Brug-talk mailing list > > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > > > > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/brug-talk/attachments/20070829/f0949e14/attachment.html From brug at defv.be Wed Aug 29 09:00:47 2007 From: brug at defv.be (Jan De Poorter) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:00:47 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] SPAM ALERT Railsconf Europe In-Reply-To: <9ccc14bb0708290558i3a1e20d0i18844087c2a530be@mail.gmail.com> References: <97C413E8D6894774BEF39D53606E774B.MAI@weblogik.be> <46D56B06.9000809@xaop.com> <9ccc14bb0708290558i3a1e20d0i18844087c2a530be@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46D56DFF.1040105@defv.be> Hi all, We (Openminds) will be attending RailsConf, and are also going by plane. Regards, Jan De Poorter nico oorts wrote: > Hi Stijn & Stijn (& Stijn), > > I will also attend the RailsConf. > > Regards, > > Nico Oorts > > 2007/8/29, Stijn Van Vreckem >: > > Hi Stijn, > > Stijn Pint and I will go to RailsConf Europe as well. > We will go by plane. > > Regards, > Stijn Van Vreckem > > > > > > > Stijn Mathysen wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > > > just wanted to let you know that I'll be at Railsconf Europe > from sunday (16/9) evening (Bradwurst on Rails) till wednesday > (19/9) evening. I'll be driving by car and still have a few seats > left. Send me a private message if you want to carpool. > > > > Are there other BRUG members going to Railsconf? Maybe we can > meet there? > > > > > > C-ya, > > > > > > Stijn > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Brug-talk mailing list > > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > > > > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Brug-talk mailing list > Brug-talk at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-talk > From peter at xaop.com Thu Aug 30 06:08:23 2007 From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 12:08:23 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] First BRUG meeting again Message-ID: Hi all, Since someone here reported not getting any emails from the "First BRUG meeting" thread, and since I've noticed getting my own posts a few hours late, there may be something wrong with the reliability of the mailing list. Hence, I'm going to post again in the hope of reaching everyone this time. Could you please vote at the below url so we can determine the date and time for the first meeting. If you can't come that week, or if you are not sure you want to come, can I still ask you to vote no to all (possibly anonymously)? The number of votes doesn't seem to be in proportion to the number of reactions I got earlier or the number of people subscribed to the mailing list, and it's nice to know what the reason is. I'm going to reserve the meeting room on Monday (September 3rd), so if you can, please vote before then: http://www.doodle.ch/592wk5sf2aschebz Thanks, Peter Vanbroekhoven XaoP, Belgium From peter at vandenabeele.com Fri Aug 31 04:49:55 2007 From: peter at vandenabeele.com (Peter Vandenabeele) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 10:49:55 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] First BRUG meeting again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 8/30/07, Peter Vanbroekhoven wrote: > Could you please vote at the below url so we can determine the date > and time for the first meeting. If you can't come that week, or if you > are not sure you want to come, can I still ask you to vote no to all > (possibly anonymously)? The number of votes doesn't seem to be in > proportion to the number of reactions I got earlier or the number of > people subscribed to the mailing list, and it's nice to know what the > reason is. I'm going to reserve the meeting room on Monday (September > 3rd), so if you can, please vote before then: > > http://www.doodle.ch/592wk5sf2aschebz So, we currently have 14 votes in (a few still arrived recently). 13 out of 14 are able to attend at the proposed date of Wednesday Sept 3 at 19:00. The system sends me an update mail on every vote. If someone wants to be informed actively about updates, please let me know. Peter From peter at xaop.com Fri Aug 31 05:11:24 2007 From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 11:11:24 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] First BRUG meeting again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46D7DB3C.9040003@xaop.com> Peter Vandenabeele wrote: > So, we currently have 14 votes in (a few still arrived recently). 13 out of 14 > are able to attend at the proposed date of Wednesday Sept 3 at 19:00. Just to be sure: it's October, not September. And good news: two more votes just arrived. Tuesday and Wednesday are still tied for the moment. Peter Vanbroekhoven XaoP, Belgium From stephane.wirtel at gmail.com Fri Aug 31 05:17:05 2007 From: stephane.wirtel at gmail.com (Stephane Wirtel) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 11:17:05 +0200 Subject: [Brug-talk] First BRUG meeting again In-Reply-To: <46D7DB3C.9040003@xaop.com> References: <46D7DB3C.9040003@xaop.com> Message-ID: Hi Peter ( from xaop ) I prefer to go to the meeting the wednesday at 7:00 PM Christophe Simonis and Me come from Charleroi, Thanks, Best regards, Stephane -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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