[Brug-admin] [Fwd: Re: Post-FOSDEM momentum]

[Tom Klaasen]

Peter, Peter,


On 3/5/08, Peter Vanbroekhoven <peter at xaop.com> wrote:
>
> Tom Klaasen wrote:
> > All,
> >
> > Will this be an event for brug-admin only? Maybe we could make it a
> > brug-talk event... That seems to make more sense to me. Maybe
> > everybody in the BRUG should then participate in the doodle?
>
> Yes it makes more sense. But instead of going round the issue again,
> I'll get straight to the point.
>
> Thing is, I'm a bit unhappy with the admin part of the BRUG at the
> moment. The admin part we had at the first meeting was generally
> somewhat of a disaster.



Sorry, I wasn't there. I found out about BRUG later.


Many people found that part a real downer. In
> the end, we didn't decide much concrete, except to have an admin group.
> Problem there was too many voices. My general feeling is that in the
> admin group here we have too little voice (note that I'm not saying "too
> few voices"). I get the feeling I'm often waiting for a response,
> feedback, instead of actually doing something. I'm not getting a strong
> decision making vibe from you.


You're right, that's what makes committees such a PITA. Everybody listens to
everybody, but it's hard to make decisions.


Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining
> here. What I want to say is that I am perfectly willing to take these
> decisions on my own, get things going instead of waiting, and still run
> things by you guys for advice or extra ideas, but then I *have* to know
> that you are OK with that. I know I'm the one who started all this, but
> that doesn't automatically imbue me with absolute power. I don't want to
> unilaterally disband the admin group we've set up, but it does feel a
> touch unwieldy at the moment.



My experience with volunteer-efforts is that a 'benevolent dictator' is
often needed, exactly to circumvent the committee-feeling. I'm willing to
support you as that benevolent dictator, since you took the initiative for
the BRUG.


So what I am really asking is: can I please please go ahead and get this
> show on the road without the overhead of asking and waiting? You get the
> right to veto and stuff, and I'll still run decisions and such by you;
> we'd still have an admin group, you'd just have to do less :-)



If we take the Apache model as an example, this decision-making can become
quicker: make a proposition, ask for a vote, and the response can be as
simple as '+1'. Veto's are '-1', and are expected to be explained.
Contrary to the Apache model, I wouldn't wait until x% of the members have
voted, but assume that no response means '0', or 'no opinion'.


If this is OK with you guys, I'll start by setting up a new poll for a
> _general_ BRUG meeting. I'd move it up by one week though, to the end of
> March. Next, Benny and I will put together a proposal for a new website
> setup, run it by you and get it implemented.



+1


Peter
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