From peter at xaop.com  Tue Feb  5 04:00:00 2008
From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven)
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 10:00:00 +0100
Subject: [Brug-admin] Community link
Message-ID: <47A82590.5090209@xaop.com>

Hi all,

Yesterday someone contacted me regarding their Community Link website

http://www.itprofessional.be/communitylink.cfm . It is supposed to be a platform that enables us to communicate with a wider audience than just our members (seems they hope it will at some point be all Belgian ITers). They are asking if we are interested in joining them. It would be a free service to members of the user groups. Articles need to be given in both Dutch and French, English is not an option. I've attached the info they sent me (sorry, it's in Dutch and in a non-portable format). So what do you guys think?

Regards,
Peter

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From peter at vandenabeele.com  Tue Feb  5 04:48:41 2008
From: peter at vandenabeele.com (Peter Vandenabeele)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 10:48:41 +0100
Subject: [Brug-admin] Community link
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2008/2/5 Peter Vanbroekhoven <peter at xaop.com>:
> http://www.itprofessional.be/communitylink.cfm . It is supposed to be a platform that enables us
> to communicate with a wider audience than just our members (seems they hope it will at some
> point be all Belgian ITers). They are asking if we are interested in joining them. It would be a free
> service to members of the user groups. Articles need to be given in both Dutch and French,
> English is not an option. I've attached the info they sent me (sorry, it's in Dutch and in a
> non-portable format). So what do you guys think?

Not sure if we are ready for this ... Maybe better to wait until the
organisation is a little stronger,
e.g. has a website that has more content (thanks Peter for what is
there already), we had a few
more meetings etc.

Maybe we decide now to discuss this at fosdem ? Maybe we plan a short
BRUG "organisational"
meeting at fosdem (next to the technical track) ?

Just ideas ...

Peter

From peter at xaop.com  Tue Feb  5 05:20:13 2008
From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven)
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 11:20:13 +0100
Subject: [Brug-admin] Community link
In-Reply-To: <a11b4a7c0802050148s2c118808r55fc6474066742e9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47A82590.5090209@xaop.com>
	<a11b4a7c0802050148s2c118808r55fc6474066742e9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47A8385D.9000000@xaop.com>

Peter Vandenabeele wrote:
> 2008/2/5 Peter Vanbroekhoven <peter at xaop.com>:
>> http://www.itprofessional.be/communitylink.cfm . It is supposed to be a platform that enables us
>> to communicate with a wider audience than just our members (seems they hope it will at some
>> point be all Belgian ITers). They are asking if we are interested in joining them. It would be a free
>> service to members of the user groups. Articles need to be given in both Dutch and French,
>> English is not an option. I've attached the info they sent me (sorry, it's in Dutch and in a
>> non-portable format). So what do you guys think?
> 
> Not sure if we are ready for this ... Maybe better to wait until the
> organisation is a little stronger,
> e.g. has a website that has more content (thanks Peter for what is
> there already), we had a few
> more meetings etc.
> 
> Maybe we decide now to discuss this at fosdem ? Maybe we plan a short
> BRUG "organisational"
> meeting at fosdem (next to the technical track) ?

I wholeheartedly agree on this as I wanted to propose this too. We need
to discuss what our next event will be, and we need to get the website
going.

Peter

From alain.ravet at gmail.com  Wed Feb  6 09:48:19 2008
From: alain.ravet at gmail.com (Alain Ravet)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 15:48:19 +0100
Subject: [Brug-admin] Community link
In-Reply-To: <47A82590.5090209@xaop.com>
References: <47A82590.5090209@xaop.com>
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  > http://www.itprofessional.be/communitylink.cfm

I guess we could use it to announce and reports about BRUG events,
Ruby and Rails conferences.
Except for that... In their current state, I'm doubtful there is much
for us - the BRUG community - in such a service. Maybe later, once
they've matured and found a voice.

It's one more site that tries and tells too little about too much.
I'm sure they could find a readership (obviously more
business-oriented than technical), but don't count me in: their
English counterparts are wayyy better, in contents and format.

  > Articles need to be given in both Dutch and French, English is not
an option.

That's another story but I don't trust IT people who can't understand
English: where do they get their information from? Sites like this one
I guess.
Also, I checked all the sections for both languages, and their
contents never matched.
Compare
- http://www.itprofessional.be/communitylink.cfm
to
- http://fr.itprofessional.be/communitylink.cfm
Poor.

Finally, I don't wan't to be - too - picky but if you reject English
and pretend to be linguistically asexual, you have to do it the proper
way :
- http://nl.itprofessional.be/communitylink.cfm
does'nt work, you have to use
- http://www.itprofessional.be/communitylink.cfm
, the default.


Alain Ravet


PS: the reply-to is still set to the mail author. I thought it had be
corrected to point to the list.

From peter at xaop.com  Tue Feb 26 06:00:55 2008
From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 12:00:55 +0100
Subject: [Brug-admin] Post-FOSDEM momentum
Message-ID: <47C3F167.4090103@xaop.com>

Hi all,

The devroom at FOSDEM was quite successful, so cheers on that. After
FOSDEM we had 15-20 more subscribers to brug-talk than before FOSDEM, so
some people already took the bait. So all's well. But...

It isn't the time to sit still. We should use the momentum we've built
to keep going. But enough motivational talk...

First off, there has been a gap of almost 5 months between the first
BRUG meeting and the FOSDEM devroom. I'm probably not alone in thinking
that this is a bit too much. I'm not saying that we should have an event
like FOSDEM every month, but I still think we should meet more often.
The way I see it now, we could discern the following categories of meet-ups:

* Regular BRUG get-together: a monthly meeting in a cafe or so where we
can talk about Ruby, life, anything we want. No pressure to attend each
time, no pressure on topics, just getting together and socialize. This
should be low overhead, i.e., we pick a date and come who can/wants to come.
* More formal BRUG meetings: these could be anything, from hackatons to
semi-formal presentations. I wouldn't put the pressure on this one
either, but rather do this when it arises. So if someone feels like
giving a presentation, we could organize a meeting. If someone wants to
kick off a new project and is looking for a few fellow developers to
help, we could organize a coding session. I'm sure at some point we all
have thought about implementing a small utility, a Ruby lib or a Rails
plugin. These coding sessions are great to kick such a project into
gear; it's surprising what a few motivated programmer's can put together
in a few hours. It's how Rubygems got started :-)
* Formal seminars: I was thinking along the lines of some of the events
organized by SAI, i.e., http://www.sai.be/nl/eventdetail.aspx?ev_id=153
. We could advertise this to companies and such. This could be an
important vehicle in promoting Ruby in Belgium. Many companies see Ruby
as a hype and are thus hesitant to jump on the bandwagon out of fear of
investing in a fad that will be over before they got back what they
invested in it. We should convince them that it is worth it. Once we get
going, we could even invite prominent speakers (although then we'll need
to charge for it probably).
* The big guns: once we get going, we can organize bigger events like
half/one-day conferences. This one is still way off in the future, but
it is something to keep an eye on. We already did this in the form of
FOSDEM, but I was thinking about something stand-alone, something we
advertise to companies.
* BRUG-admin meetings: although we can have discussions online, nothing
beats a real-life meeting where you can brainstorm on important
issue/decisions.

My feeling tells me that the first and last type of meeting could very
well turn out to end up the same. It's likely to be the hardcore group.
But anyway, it would be nice if we could get these regular meet-ups
going. Because we don't need any infrastructure for it, we can easily
vary the location.

Another important thing is to build a decent website. Currently, we have
some information online, but it's certainly not sufficient. Instiki was
great to quickly get some information online, but it is certainly not a
durable solution. I think we need to brainstorm on what we will need to
build a decent website. I would like to organize a BRUG-admin meeting
for this in 2 or 3 weeks time. And then have the first regular BRUG
meeting a few weeks after that, just to start going. Sound reasonable?

Peter

From tom at 10to1.be  Tue Feb 26 06:42:51 2008
From: tom at 10to1.be (Tom Klaasen)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 12:42:51 +0100
Subject: [Brug-admin] Post-FOSDEM momentum
In-Reply-To: <47C3F167.4090103@xaop.com>
References: <47C3F167.4090103@xaop.com>
Message-ID: <b97366280802260342s2c2d161cv4c2638761cccfb7f@mail.gmail.com>

+1 for the IRL meetings. It's a lot easier to discuss (and dream) if you can
see each other.

The first meeting could be used to discuss the first 'workshop'...

kr,


On 2/26/08, Peter Vanbroekhoven <peter at xaop.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> The devroom at FOSDEM was quite successful, so cheers on that. After
> FOSDEM we had 15-20 more subscribers to brug-talk than before FOSDEM, so
> some people already took the bait. So all's well. But...
>
> It isn't the time to sit still. We should use the momentum we've built
> to keep going. But enough motivational talk...
>
> First off, there has been a gap of almost 5 months between the first
> BRUG meeting and the FOSDEM devroom. I'm probably not alone in thinking
> that this is a bit too much. I'm not saying that we should have an event
> like FOSDEM every month, but I still think we should meet more often.
> The way I see it now, we could discern the following categories of
> meet-ups:
>
> * Regular BRUG get-together: a monthly meeting in a cafe or so where we
> can talk about Ruby, life, anything we want. No pressure to attend each
> time, no pressure on topics, just getting together and socialize. This
> should be low overhead, i.e., we pick a date and come who can/wants to
> come.
> * More formal BRUG meetings: these could be anything, from hackatons to
> semi-formal presentations. I wouldn't put the pressure on this one
> either, but rather do this when it arises. So if someone feels like
> giving a presentation, we could organize a meeting. If someone wants to
> kick off a new project and is looking for a few fellow developers to
> help, we could organize a coding session. I'm sure at some point we all
> have thought about implementing a small utility, a Ruby lib or a Rails
> plugin. These coding sessions are great to kick such a project into
> gear; it's surprising what a few motivated programmer's can put together
> in a few hours. It's how Rubygems got started :-)
> * Formal seminars: I was thinking along the lines of some of the events
> organized by SAI, i.e., http://www.sai.be/nl/eventdetail.aspx?ev_id=153
> . We could advertise this to companies and such. This could be an
> important vehicle in promoting Ruby in Belgium. Many companies see Ruby
> as a hype and are thus hesitant to jump on the bandwagon out of fear of
> investing in a fad that will be over before they got back what they
> invested in it. We should convince them that it is worth it. Once we get
> going, we could even invite prominent speakers (although then we'll need
> to charge for it probably).
> * The big guns: once we get going, we can organize bigger events like
> half/one-day conferences. This one is still way off in the future, but
> it is something to keep an eye on. We already did this in the form of
> FOSDEM, but I was thinking about something stand-alone, something we
> advertise to companies.
> * BRUG-admin meetings: although we can have discussions online, nothing
> beats a real-life meeting where you can brainstorm on important
> issue/decisions.
>
> My feeling tells me that the first and last type of meeting could very
> well turn out to end up the same. It's likely to be the hardcore group.
> But anyway, it would be nice if we could get these regular meet-ups
> going. Because we don't need any infrastructure for it, we can easily
> vary the location.
>
> Another important thing is to build a decent website. Currently, we have
> some information online, but it's certainly not sufficient. Instiki was
> great to quickly get some information online, but it is certainly not a
> durable solution. I think we need to brainstorm on what we will need to
> build a decent website. I would like to organize a BRUG-admin meeting
> for this in 2 or 3 weeks time. And then have the first regular BRUG
> meeting a few weeks after that, just to start going. Sound reasonable?
>
> Peter
> _______________________________________________
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>



-- 
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From njacobeus at gmail.com  Tue Feb 26 07:24:13 2008
From: njacobeus at gmail.com (Nicolas Jacobeus)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 13:24:13 +0100
Subject: [Brug-admin] Post-FOSDEM momentum
In-Reply-To: <b97366280802260342s2c2d161cv4c2638761cccfb7f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47C3F167.4090103@xaop.com>
	<b97366280802260342s2c2d161cv4c2638761cccfb7f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D4F1B24B-9327-4081-A000-1D69FBDA76C2@gmail.com>

Hello all,

I'm also in favor of most of the ideas proposed by Peter. I  
particularly like the idea of informal, OpenCoffee-like monthly  
meetings.

Let's pick a date in March for an IRL discussion about this...  
(doodle.ch anyone?)

Nicolas

On 26 Feb 2008, at 12:42, Tom Klaasen wrote:

> +1 for the IRL meetings. It's a lot easier to discuss (and dream) if  
> you can see each other.
>
> The first meeting could be used to discuss the first 'workshop'...
>
> kr,
>
>
> On 2/26/08, Peter Vanbroekhoven <peter at xaop.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> The devroom at FOSDEM was quite successful, so cheers on that. After
> FOSDEM we had 15-20 more subscribers to brug-talk than before  
> FOSDEM, so
> some people already took the bait. So all's well. But...
>
> It isn't the time to sit still. We should use the momentum we've built
> to keep going. But enough motivational talk...
>
> First off, there has been a gap of almost 5 months between the first
> BRUG meeting and the FOSDEM devroom. I'm probably not alone in  
> thinking
> that this is a bit too much. I'm not saying that we should have an  
> event
> like FOSDEM every month, but I still think we should meet more often.
> The way I see it now, we could discern the following categories of  
> meet-ups:
>
> * Regular BRUG get-together: a monthly meeting in a cafe or so where  
> we
> can talk about Ruby, life, anything we want. No pressure to attend  
> each
> time, no pressure on topics, just getting together and socialize. This
> should be low overhead, i.e., we pick a date and come who can/wants  
> to come.
> * More formal BRUG meetings: these could be anything, from hackatons  
> to
> semi-formal presentations. I wouldn't put the pressure on this one
> either, but rather do this when it arises. So if someone feels like
> giving a presentation, we could organize a meeting. If someone wants  
> to
> kick off a new project and is looking for a few fellow developers to
> help, we could organize a coding session. I'm sure at some point we  
> all
> have thought about implementing a small utility, a Ruby lib or a Rails
> plugin. These coding sessions are great to kick such a project into
> gear; it's surprising what a few motivated programmer's can put  
> together
> in a few hours. It's how Rubygems got started :-)
> * Formal seminars: I was thinking along the lines of some of the  
> events
> organized by SAI, i.e., http://www.sai.be/nl/eventdetail.aspx? 
> ev_id=153
> . We could advertise this to companies and such. This could be an
> important vehicle in promoting Ruby in Belgium. Many companies see  
> Ruby
> as a hype and are thus hesitant to jump on the bandwagon out of fear  
> of
> investing in a fad that will be over before they got back what they
> invested in it. We should convince them that it is worth it. Once we  
> get
> going, we could even invite prominent speakers (although then we'll  
> need
> to charge for it probably).
> * The big guns: once we get going, we can organize bigger events like
> half/one-day conferences. This one is still way off in the future, but
> it is something to keep an eye on. We already did this in the form of
> FOSDEM, but I was thinking about something stand-alone, something we
> advertise to companies.
> * BRUG-admin meetings: although we can have discussions online,  
> nothing
> beats a real-life meeting where you can brainstorm on important
> issue/decisions.
>
> My feeling tells me that the first and last type of meeting could very
> well turn out to end up the same. It's likely to be the hardcore  
> group.
> But anyway, it would be nice if we could get these regular meet-ups
> going. Because we don't need any infrastructure for it, we can easily
> vary the location.
>
> Another important thing is to build a decent website. Currently, we  
> have
> some information online, but it's certainly not sufficient. Instiki  
> was
> great to quickly get some information online, but it is certainly  
> not a
> durable solution. I think we need to brainstorm on what we will need  
> to
> build a decent website. I would like to organize a BRUG-admin meeting
> for this in 2 or 3 weeks time. And then have the first regular BRUG
> meeting a few weeks after that, just to start going. Sound reasonable?
>
> Peter
> _______________________________________________
> Brug-admin mailing list
> Brug-admin at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-admin
>
>
>
> -- 
> Tom Klaasen
> 10to1
> +32 475 28 17 62
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