From peter at xaop.com  Thu Oct  4 14:15:46 2007
From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven)
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 20:15:46 +0200
Subject: [Brug-admin] test
Message-ID: <47052DD2.7030700@xaop.com>

test

From peter at xaop.com  Thu Oct  4 14:23:52 2007
From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven)
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 20:23:52 +0200
Subject: [Brug-admin] test
In-Reply-To: <47052DD2.7030700@xaop.com>
References: <47052DD2.7030700@xaop.com>
Message-ID: <47052FB8.2080106@xaop.com>

test

Peter Vanbroekhoven wrote:
> test
> _______________________________________________
> Brug-admin mailing list
> Brug-admin at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-admin
>   


From calamitates at gmail.com  Fri Oct  5 04:11:59 2007
From: calamitates at gmail.com (Calamitas)
Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 08:11:59 -0000
Subject: [Brug-admin] test
In-Reply-To: <47052DD2.7030700@xaop.com>
References: <47052DD2.7030700@xaop.com>
Message-ID: <1191571919.400436.35210@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>

another test

On Oct 4, 8:15 pm, Peter Vanbroekhoven <pe... at xaop.com> wrote:
> test
> _______________________________________________
> Brug-admin mailing list
> Brug-ad... at rubyforge.orghttp://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-admin


From peter at xaop.com  Thu Oct 11 10:03:52 2007
From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:03:52 +0200
Subject: [Brug-admin] Domain name
Message-ID: <470E2D48.1030700@xaop.com>

Hi all,

Peter and I are converging on a consensus concerning the domain names
and how we will use them, and we wanted to run this by you all to see
what you think.

Currently we will focus on rubyist.be. The word "rubyist" is part of the
Ruby culture, and once Ruby/Rails programmers get this, the name rubyist
(usually) appeals to them. On the other hand, from a marketing point of
view, rubybelgium.be makes more sense. People who are not involved in
the Ruby community (newbies, managers, ...) will have a hard time
"getting" and remembering rubyist.be. The main cause of our long
discussion is probably this dichotomy, but that is good because now we
realize that this dichotomy is there.

Hence, the idea is to start out building the rubyist.be website and have
rubybelgium.be redirect there. Once we start with things like donations,
advertising, and organizing big events with a lot of money involved, it
would be wise to formalize the organization in the sense of a VZW/ASBL.
This has the added advantage that gifts can be made tax-deductible. This
organization would be called "Ruby Belgium", would have rubybelgium.be
as a home, would own the money and the domain names, and would be the
name behind the bigger events like conferences. So basically, rubyist.be
would be the geek side and rubybelgium.be would be the official side:
two faces of the same coin. Of course, we are running ahead of ourselves
here, but it's a good idea to have a clear vision of where we want to be
heading.

This is something both Peter and I support, but we need to know what you
guys think about this.

Regards,
Peter Vanbroekhoven
XaoP

From peter at vandenabeele.com  Thu Oct 11 15:41:54 2007
From: peter at vandenabeele.com (Peter Vandenabeele)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:41:54 +0200
Subject: [Brug-admin] Domain name
In-Reply-To: <470E2D48.1030700@xaop.com>
References: <470E2D48.1030700@xaop.com>
Message-ID: <a11b4a7c0710111241i6d8abec7t8d3cfc2321273e0f@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/11/07, Peter Vanbroekhoven <peter at xaop.com> wrote:
> This is something both Peter and I support, but we need to know what you
> guys think about this.

As Peter pointed out, most of the above are only "ideas" for the future.
The only hard decision at this time would be to:
* acquire both domains
* start building on the rubyist.be domain name
* limit rubybelgium.be to a straight redirect to rubyist.be
  (probably we will have changed our mind by then ...)

Peter

From alain.ravet at gmail.com  Thu Oct 11 16:55:25 2007
From: alain.ravet at gmail.com (Alain Ravet)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 22:55:25 +0200
Subject: [Brug-admin] Domain name
In-Reply-To: <a11b4a7c0710111241i6d8abec7t8d3cfc2321273e0f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <470E2D48.1030700@xaop.com>
	<a11b4a7c0710111241i6d8abec7t8d3cfc2321273e0f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ffe522d40710111355n6ce4787dnd282c46b30257b9e@mail.gmail.com>

> This is something both Peter and I support, but we need to know
 > what you guys think about this.

Sounds good.
Just one remark : I think the redirect should be in the other redirection :
  rubyist.be => rubybelgium.be
, with rubybelgium.be being the official/public address of the community.

The rationale : urls are our signatures.
Each time we will communicate with the world (read: the others) we
will publish a url.


  http://rubybelgium.be/conferences


speaks more and covers more ground than


  http://rubyist.be/conferences


Alain Ravet

From peter at xaop.com  Thu Oct 11 16:55:53 2007
From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 22:55:53 +0200
Subject: [Brug-admin] [Fwd: Re: [Brug-talk]  Domain name]
Message-ID: <470E8DD9.8070303@xaop.com>

Forwarding again. I think I just answered my own question :-)

Peter
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From peter at vandenabeele.com  Fri Oct 12 03:36:33 2007
From: peter at vandenabeele.com (Peter Vandenabeele)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:36:33 +0200
Subject: [Brug-admin] Domain name
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On 10/11/07, Alain Ravet <alain.ravet at gmail.com> wrote:
> Just one remark : I think the redirect should be in the other redirection :
>   rubyist.be => rubybelgium.be
> , with rubybelgium.be being the official/public address of the community.
>
> The rationale : urls are our signatures.
> Each time we will communicate with the world (read: the others) we
> will publish a url.
>
>   http://rubybelgium.be/conferences

I hope I now understand the DRY argument better (actually, just hit Chapter
14 (Active Record Basics) chapter in the Pragmatic Programmers book on
Rails; really fun to start understanding the underlying technologies :-).

rubybelgium.be indeed has a DRY problem, and ... as we are moving
toward a VZW/ASBL concept, I proposed yesterday to Peter
(Vanbroekhoven) to rather focus on the name

  rubybelgium.org

This:
* avoids the DRY problem
* adds value in the TLD by emphasizing the .org nature of the VZW/ASBL

In second order, I think the organisation could register the rubybelgium.be
and rubybelgium.com names "defensively" to avoid abuse. I believe, this
has happened in the meanwhile.

If I understand well, the idea was to start using the rubyist.be name
for internal
networking, so the ideas around rubybelgium.tld are only relevant for
a later date.

Peter

From peter at xaop.com  Mon Oct 15 05:09:51 2007
From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 11:09:51 +0200
Subject: [Brug-admin] List of subscribers
Message-ID: <47132E5F.4030404@xaop.com>

Hi all,

For those of you who are interested to know who they are talking with
here...

The list of the subscribers to the admin list can be viewed here:

  http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/brug-admin

These people can post. The Google group can have subscribers that cannot
be found above (and thus cannot post), and they can be viewed here:

  http://groups.google.com/group/brug-admin-google/members

Regards,
Peter Vanbroekhoven
XaoP

From peter at vandenabeele.com  Tue Oct 16 16:46:42 2007
From: peter at vandenabeele.com (Peter Vandenabeele)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 22:46:42 +0200
Subject: [Brug-admin] [Brug-talk] Fwd: [FOSDEM] 23-24 Feb 2008 FOSDEM?
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Hi,

I just chatted with Raph Bauduin (who organised fosdem up to last year)
and Raph is now discussing my request for a Ruby and Rails dev room on
fosdem with the current organizers.

Stephane is also contacting people he knows in the fosdem organisation.

May I assume this is still considered a good idea, that BRUG organizes a
developer room at fosdem 2008 ? I think we will need to do some lobbying
to get this arranged, so all help is welcome ...

Thanks,

Peter Vandenabeele

From peter at xaop.com  Thu Oct 18 05:20:11 2007
From: peter at xaop.com (Peter Vanbroekhoven)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 11:20:11 +0200
Subject: [Brug-admin] [Brug-talk] Fwd: [FOSDEM] 23-24 Feb 2008 FOSDEM?
In-Reply-To: <a11b4a7c0710161346g32368fd6l9fae4b0fb6fc416f@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <4717254B.3050408@xaop.com>

Peter Vandenabeele wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I just chatted with Raph Bauduin (who organised fosdem up to last year)
> and Raph is now discussing my request for a Ruby and Rails dev room on
> fosdem with the current organizers.
> 
> Stephane is also contacting people he knows in the fosdem organisation.
> 
> May I assume this is still considered a good idea, that BRUG organizes a
> developer room at fosdem 2008 ? I think we will need to do some lobbying
> to get this arranged, so all help is welcome ...

Sorry for the lateness of my reply.

One thing is for certain: if we need to push so hard to get the dev
room, we have to really commit to organizing it well. Could you give us
an idea what organizing the dev room entails exactly and what the time
line is?

Regards,
Peter Vanbroekhoven
XaoP

From peter at vandenabeele.com  Thu Oct 18 05:43:42 2007
From: peter at vandenabeele.com (Peter Vandenabeele)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 11:43:42 +0200
Subject: [Brug-admin] [Brug-talk] Fwd: [FOSDEM] 23-24 Feb 2008 FOSDEM?
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On 10/18/07, Peter Vanbroekhoven <peter at xaop.com> wrote:
> Could you give us an idea what organizing the dev room entails exactly
> and what the time line is?

* define program committee (PC) ("technical committee, looks at "content"")
* define secretary (organiser(s))
* PC writes "Call for papers"
* PC publishes this on Ruby related lists

  e.g. for the kernel and embedded track:
  2007: http://www.nabble.com/FOSDEM-embedded-room-call-for-papers.-t2714500.html
  2006: http://www.ucdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/12/06/1528244&mode=thread
  2005: http://osdir.com/ml/uclinux.devel/2004-12/msg00006.html
  2004: http://osdir.com/ml/debian.ports.hurd/2003-12/msg00012.html
  2003: http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/openbsd/2002-10/1496.html

  or e.g. for the Debian dev room (organised by Wouter Verhelst):
  2004: http://lists.debian.org/debian-events-eu/2004/01/msg00065.html

* secretary sorts out the incoming abstracts (administratively) and
  forwards them to the PC

* PC defines a schedule of speakers and communicates with the speakers,
  publishes schedules, etc.

* on the day itself, organisers (BRUG ?), manage the room (1 class room, of
  typically 30 to 150 seats), projector, not very difficult ...

Typically no money is involved in any of this. No separate advertising
is allowed
(outside of the official fosdem sponsors).

If the application for fosdem would not work out, the preparations can still be
used to make a smaller, local Ruby and Rails conference, independent of
fosdem (but then, you suddenly do need money for accomodations etc.).

HTH,

Peter