From mike.pence at gmail.com Thu Sep 22 16:23:28 2005 From: mike.pence at gmail.com (Mike Pence) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 16:23:28 -0400 Subject: [Borges-users] Wee vs. Borges and continuations Message-ID: Hello all. Can someone give me the birds-eye view of the state of Borges and of Wee? Aside from RDocs, Wee does not seem to be under any active attention or use. Does the inability to serialize continuations in Ruby affect Borges, and is Borges being actively developed. Is Borges stable? Is anyone here? I am looking for a Seaside inspired framework that is better than Rails at abstracting the webishness of applications. Thanks! Mike Pence From eule at space.ch Fri Sep 23 04:44:10 2005 From: eule at space.ch (Kaspar Schiess) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 10:44:10 +0200 Subject: [Borges-users] Wee vs. Borges and continuations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Mike, The birds-eye view: To me it looks as though Wee has some nice ideas, but borges has more in the way of usability and precoded components to make typical tasks easier. Borges is under active developement, only that it has stalled a bit, since it has a lot of the things one would wish for. My personal interests are currently on Ruby core hacking, and since you mention serializable continuations, yes, that would be really nice for Borges. But Borges really works without that, only that it uses quite a bit of memory. That's the only thing that might make you reconsider the use of borges. AFAIK, Wee with CC suffers from the same problem. And yes, I am here, and I am still developing projects with borges, so I will react to questions, if only with some delay. And if I can do my part in making the web less webby, I will. Good fun exploring borges (and/or Wee) and welcome ! -- kaspar code manufacture & ruby lab - www.tua.ch/ruby From mneumann at ntecs.de Tue Sep 27 09:26:07 2005 From: mneumann at ntecs.de (Michael Neumann) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 15:26:07 +0200 Subject: [Borges-users] Wee vs. Borges and continuations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4339486F.3030408@ntecs.de> Kaspar Schiess wrote: > Hello Mike, Hi Kaspar and Mike, > The birds-eye view: > To me it looks as though Wee has some nice ideas, but borges has more > in the way of usability and precoded components to make typical tasks > easier. Borges is under active developement, only that it has stalled > a bit, since it has a lot of the things one would wish for. My development in Wee has also stalled a bit, due to lack of supporting people. I only develop as much as I need. > My personal interests are currently on Ruby core hacking, and since > you mention serializable continuations, yes, that would be really nice > for Borges. But Borges really works without that, only that it uses > quite a bit of memory. That's the only thing that might make you > reconsider the use of borges. AFAIK, Wee with CC suffers from the same > problem. Yes, I think so. > And yes, I am here, and I am still developing projects with borges, so > I will react to questions, if only with some delay. And if I can do my > part in making the web less webby, I will. > > Good fun exploring borges (and/or Wee) and welcome ! You're all welcome ;-) Regards, Michael From mneumann at ntecs.de Tue Sep 27 09:33:47 2005 From: mneumann at ntecs.de (Michael Neumann) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 15:33:47 +0200 Subject: [Borges-users] Wee vs. Borges and continuations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43394A3B.3090901@ntecs.de> Hi Mike, Mike Pence wrote: > Hello all. Can someone give me the birds-eye view of the state of > Borges and of Wee? Aside from RDocs, Wee does not seem to be under any > active attention or use. > > Does the inability to serialize continuations in Ruby affect Borges, > and is Borges being actively developed. Is Borges stable? Is anyone > here? > > I am looking for a Seaside inspired framework that is better than > Rails at abstracting the webishness of applications. Wee is not much in use, that's right. I know a few people (including me), that tried it out and/or are developing application with it. I myself, switched from Wee to Rails for a very database-centric application, due to the statelessness of Rails (or Nitro). In Wee/Borges, you normally spend more time in looking to find the right abstractions, which leads to cleaner code IMHO, unless you have a very near deadline to match of course ;-) I haven't used continuations in Wee for a very long time. So, it might be even the case, that I broke something (should be very easy to fix of course). Regards, Michael