From ryan at mountainshows.com  Fri Jun  1 15:01:42 2007
From: ryan at mountainshows.com (Ryan Grow)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 13:01:42 -0600
Subject: [Boulder-Denver Ruby Group] can html content be filtered before it
	is sent back to the client?
Message-ID: <19eed7f80706011201y21617c7ej46b116c0d53ac6d1@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I have a requirement to remove some whitespace and newlines from html
generated by ruby templates, before it goes back to the client.

It seems to be pretty hard to control placement of newlines at the template
level. Is there a "filter hook" of some sort that can remove unwanted
characters after the html has been created but before its passed back to the
web server?

Thanks,

Ryan
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From kevwil at gmail.com  Fri Jun  1 16:28:38 2007
From: kevwil at gmail.com (Kevin Williams)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 14:28:38 -0600
Subject: [Boulder-Denver Ruby Group] can html content be filtered before
	it is sent back to the client?
In-Reply-To: <19eed7f80706011201y21617c7ej46b116c0d53ac6d1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <19eed7f80706011201y21617c7ej46b116c0d53ac6d1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <683a886f0706011328y5db7d1b0m57fdc8d4069c35da@mail.gmail.com>

A Mongrel handler could do it, I would imagine.

On 6/1/07, Ryan Grow <ryan at mountainshows.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a requirement to remove some whitespace and newlines from html
> generated by ruby templates, before it goes back to the client.
>
> It seems to be pretty hard to control placement of newlines at the template
> level. Is there a "filter hook" of some sort that can remove unwanted
> characters after the html has been created but before its passed back to the
> web server?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ryan
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bdrg-members mailing list
> Bdrg-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/bdrg-members
>


-- 
Cheers,

Kevin Williams
http://www.almostserio.us/

"If you don't think carefully, you might think that programming is
just typing statements in a programming language." - Ward Cunningham
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from
Magic." - Arthur C. Clarke

From ara.t.howard at gmail.com  Fri Jun  1 17:59:56 2007
From: ara.t.howard at gmail.com (ara.t.howard)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 15:59:56 -0600
Subject: [Boulder-Denver Ruby Group] can html content be filtered before
	it is sent back to the client?
In-Reply-To: <19eed7f80706011201y21617c7ej46b116c0d53ac6d1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <19eed7f80706011201y21617c7ej46b116c0d53ac6d1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A48577C0-44F9-4792-8C3B-CA8D88EA2831@gmail.com>


On Jun 1, 2007, at 1:01 PM, Ryan Grow wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have a requirement to remove some whitespace and newlines from  
> html generated by ruby templates, before it goes back to the client.
>
> It seems to be pretty hard to control placement of newlines at the  
> template level. Is there a "filter hook" of some sort that can  
> remove unwanted characters after the html has been created but  
> before its passed back to the web server?

this can be configured in apache quite easily.  to test our theory  
you could always do

   buf = render_to_string ...
   transform buf
   render :text => buf

which is down, dirty, and done today.

-a
--
we can deny everything, except that we have the possibility of being  
better. simply reflect on that.
h.h. the 14th dalai lama



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From jameson.watts at gmail.com  Sat Jun  2 13:47:30 2007
From: jameson.watts at gmail.com (Jameson Watts)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 11:47:30 -0600
Subject: [Boulder-Denver Ruby Group] Ruby Tuesday...
Message-ID: <c70623cf0706021047j4511784i900fc26f93d8190@mail.gmail.com>

...we at ID345 have decided there just isn't enough Ruby in Colorado so we'd
like to sponsor a gathering at our (almost finished) warehouse in Denver.

On Tuesday, June 5th ID345 will begin a monthly Ruby and Rails developer
group (Ruby Tuesdays) as well as a Flash/Flex/RIA developer group
(Actionscript Society). These events will happen simultaneously in each of
our conference areas the first Tuesday of every month (forever and ever)
with before and after mingling. These events will be free and open to the
public. Come one, come all.

**The big red warehouse**

June 5th, 6:00pm
@ ID345 2930 Larimer St. Denver CO 80205
Contact: Danny Newman dnewman at gmail dot com
http://www.id345.com/ruby

P.S. Free pizza, pop, and one of our founders (Austin) is preparing to make
his "famous" Ruby Red Greyhounds. Yum.
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From david at collectiveintellect.com  Sat Jun  2 18:09:01 2007
From: david at collectiveintellect.com (David Clements)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 16:09:01 -0600
Subject: [Boulder-Denver Ruby Group] Ruby Tuesday...
In-Reply-To: <c70623cf0706021047j4511784i900fc26f93d8190@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c70623cf0706021047j4511784i900fc26f93d8190@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6A66D256-2C0E-4FC9-A260-4482AD6E311F@collectiveintellect.com>

Do you guys know there is all-ready a Denver Rails Group?

http://groups.google.com/group/derailed   They have great talks!

Seems like we are a small enough group to not fracture into two  
groups within blocks of each other.

Maybe you guys can sponsor Derailed?  I think they lost their sponsor  
awhile back.

Dave


On Jun 2, 2007, at 11:47 AM, Jameson Watts wrote:

> ...we at ID345 have decided there just isn't enough Ruby in  
> Colorado so we'd like to sponsor a gathering at our (almost  
> finished) warehouse in Denver.
>
> On Tuesday, June 5th ID345 will begin a monthly Ruby and Rails  
> developer group (Ruby Tuesdays) as well as a Flash/Flex/RIA  
> developer group (Actionscript Society). These events will happen  
> simultaneously in each of our conference areas the first Tuesday of  
> every month (forever and ever) with before and after mingling.  
> These events will be free and open to the public. Come one, come all.
>
> **The big red warehouse**
>
> June 5th, 6:00pm
> @ ID345 2930 Larimer St. Denver CO 80205
> Contact: Danny Newman dnewman at gmail dot com
> http://www.id345.com/ruby
>
> P.S. Free pizza, pop, and one of our founders (Austin) is preparing  
> to make his "famous" Ruby Red Greyhounds. Yum.
> _______________________________________________
> Bdrg-members mailing list
> Bdrg-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/bdrg-members

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From ray.hunter at gmail.com  Sat Jun  2 23:34:18 2007
From: ray.hunter at gmail.com (ray hunter)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 21:34:18 -0600
Subject: [Boulder-Denver Ruby Group] Ruby Tuesday...
In-Reply-To: <6A66D256-2C0E-4FC9-A260-4482AD6E311F@collectiveintellect.com>
References: <c70623cf0706021047j4511784i900fc26f93d8190@mail.gmail.com>
	<6A66D256-2C0E-4FC9-A260-4482AD6E311F@collectiveintellect.com>
Message-ID: <607412b50706022034x6d56e97foe63ef6244de1d837@mail.gmail.com>

on the same point:
are you aware that there is already a Colorado Flash/Flex meetup on Tuesday
nights:
http://flash.meetup.com/116/calendar/5731633/
To second David's thoughts, it's difficult enough to attend the user groups
that I enjoy,
in between family time and work, why are we fracturing our local groups?

i sure wish you would've picked a different night.

_Ray


On 6/2/07, David Clements <david at collectiveintellect.com> wrote:
>
> Do you guys know there is all-ready a Denver Rails Group?
> http://groups.google.com/group/derailed   They have great talks!
>
> Seems like we are a small enough group to not fracture into two groups
> within blocks of each other.
>
> Maybe you guys can sponsor Derailed?  I think they lost their sponsor
> awhile back.
>
> Dave
>
>
> On Jun 2, 2007, at 11:47 AM, Jameson Watts wrote:
>
> ...we at ID345 have decided there just isn't enough Ruby in Colorado so
> we'd like to sponsor a gathering at our (almost finished) warehouse in
> Denver.
>
> On Tuesday, June 5th ID345 will begin a monthly Ruby and Rails developer
> group (Ruby Tuesdays) as well as a Flash/Flex/RIA developer group
> (Actionscript Society). These events will happen simultaneously in each of
> our conference areas the first Tuesday of every month (forever and ever)
> with before and after mingling. These events will be free and open to the
> public. Come one, come all.
>
> **The big red warehouse**
>
> June 5th, 6:00pm
> @ ID345 2930 Larimer St. Denver CO 80205
> Contact: Danny Newman dnewman at gmail dot com
> http://www.id345.com/ruby
>
> P.S. Free pizza, pop, and one of our founders (Austin) is preparing to
> make his "famous" Ruby Red Greyhounds. Yum.
> _______________________________________________
> Bdrg-members mailing list
> Bdrg-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/bdrg-members
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bdrg-members mailing list
> Bdrg-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/bdrg-members
>
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From mghaught at gmail.com  Sun Jun  3 01:03:51 2007
From: mghaught at gmail.com (Marty Haught)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 23:03:51 -0600
Subject: [Boulder Ruby Group] BRG - June Meeting - Jun 20th
Message-ID: <57f29e620706022203w669333achf80fca9a83cc721@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Everyone,

First, we have our June meeting scheduled for Wednesday the 20th at
6:30pm.  We'll begin the meeting with a RailsConf 2007 reflection.
Several of us that attended the conference will present our thoughts
on the conference.  Any of you who attended are invited to come on up
to Boulder and share with us.  The second part of the meeting will be
a presentation on full text search from Ruby by Lee Marlow.
Collective Intellect will provide food as usual and we'll have a short
break between the talks for mingling.  It should be a good time so I
hope to see you all out there.

Second, I have been working on a REAL website for the group.  It's
still in progress but I figured I'll release it to you all.  Look for
us to flesh out different sections of the site over the coming months.
 If you have any comments/feedback on the site or section/information
that is sorely lacking, please let either Tim or I know.  We'll still
post meeting announcements to the list but this site will hold all the
current information.  While we'll continue to use the RubyForge
project, please direct your web queries to the new site.  The url is
http://boulderruby.org.

Finally, we're going to drop the Denver part of our name.  When I
decided to start this group back in 2005 there were no other
Ruby/Rails groups meeting in the area.  Our first meeting was
scheduled for the first week after the Pragmatic's RailsStudio in
Denver in January 2006.  Derailed formed from the group and they've
got Denver covered nicely.  It was also my ideal to have the group
meet between Boulder and Denver and while our initial meetings were
near Broomfield on Hwy 36, that didn't last long.  I don't foresee us
leaving Boulder anytime in the future so it seemed simpler to just be
the Boulder Ruby Group.  That's what we'll be from now on.  We, of
course, still welcome anyone from anywhere to come hang out with us.
We have members from all over the Front Range as well as some out of
state guests from time to time.  We're a friendly, laid-back group but
then again most of you already know that. ;)

Cheers,
Marty

From forruby101 at yahoo.com  Sun Jun  3 08:42:00 2007
From: forruby101 at yahoo.com (Erin ruby)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 05:42:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Boulder Ruby Group] Ruby Tuesday
Message-ID: <90663.70458.qm@web38408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

  I actually did not know there was a Denver Ruby Group that had regular meetings.  Kind of surprised, because I would have thought there would have been.
  I have done my share of whining about it. J
  It is actually difficult for me to get to boulder for the meetings, so the news that there is already a Denver Ruby Group is elating to me.
  On the idea that there are two Denver Ruby Groups, I really don?t care just as long as I can attend either of the meetings.  I would be happy.  
  Of course if you decided to consolidate your efforts I would be happy as well. 
  Please just steer clear of the Java Users Group Meeting on Wednesday?s, which I think is the second Wednesday of the month.
  Look forward to seeing some of you,
  Larry 
  
 
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From david at collectiveintellect.com  Sun Jun  3 10:24:23 2007
From: david at collectiveintellect.com (David Clements)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 08:24:23 -0600
Subject: [Boulder Ruby Group] BRG - June Meeting - Jun 20th
In-Reply-To: <57f29e620706022203w669333achf80fca9a83cc721@mail.gmail.com>
References: <57f29e620706022203w669333achf80fca9a83cc721@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CFE3FA34-82CF-491E-AC58-19ED61063081@collectiveintellect.com>

We should think about putting a widget on the ruby group website.  I  
have been working on the topic net and themes with the intention of  
creating an Auto Filled Blog, but the widget and its splash page is  
pretty much the same thing.

Dave

On Jun 2, 2007, at 11:03 PM, Marty Haught wrote:

> Hello Everyone,
>
> First, we have our June meeting scheduled for Wednesday the 20th at
> 6:30pm.  We'll begin the meeting with a RailsConf 2007 reflection.
> Several of us that attended the conference will present our thoughts
> on the conference.  Any of you who attended are invited to come on up
> to Boulder and share with us.  The second part of the meeting will be
> a presentation on full text search from Ruby by Lee Marlow.
> Collective Intellect will provide food as usual and we'll have a short
> break between the talks for mingling.  It should be a good time so I
> hope to see you all out there.
>
> Second, I have been working on a REAL website for the group.  It's
> still in progress but I figured I'll release it to you all.  Look for
> us to flesh out different sections of the site over the coming months.
>  If you have any comments/feedback on the site or section/information
> that is sorely lacking, please let either Tim or I know.  We'll still
> post meeting announcements to the list but this site will hold all the
> current information.  While we'll continue to use the RubyForge
> project, please direct your web queries to the new site.  The url is
> http://boulderruby.org.
>
> Finally, we're going to drop the Denver part of our name.  When I
> decided to start this group back in 2005 there were no other
> Ruby/Rails groups meeting in the area.  Our first meeting was
> scheduled for the first week after the Pragmatic's RailsStudio in
> Denver in January 2006.  Derailed formed from the group and they've
> got Denver covered nicely.  It was also my ideal to have the group
> meet between Boulder and Denver and while our initial meetings were
> near Broomfield on Hwy 36, that didn't last long.  I don't foresee us
> leaving Boulder anytime in the future so it seemed simpler to just be
> the Boulder Ruby Group.  That's what we'll be from now on.  We, of
> course, still welcome anyone from anywhere to come hang out with us.
> We have members from all over the Front Range as well as some out of
> state guests from time to time.  We're a friendly, laid-back group but
> then again most of you already know that. ;)
>
> Cheers,
> Marty
> _______________________________________________
> Bdrg-members mailing list
> Bdrg-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/bdrg-members


From david at collectiveintellect.com  Sun Jun  3 10:26:56 2007
From: david at collectiveintellect.com (David Clements)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 08:26:56 -0600
Subject: [Boulder Ruby Group] BRG - June Meeting - Jun 20th
In-Reply-To: <CFE3FA34-82CF-491E-AC58-19ED61063081@collectiveintellect.com>
References: <57f29e620706022203w669333achf80fca9a83cc721@mail.gmail.com>
	<CFE3FA34-82CF-491E-AC58-19ED61063081@collectiveintellect.com>
Message-ID: <F4A7C794-8610-4042-865A-AE5F534405B3@collectiveintellect.com>

Oops.  Didn't mean to CC the group there.  I'll let you guys wonder  
what the "Widget" is for awhile.
;)

Dave

On Jun 3, 2007, at 8:24 AM, David Clements wrote:

> We should think about putting a widget on the ruby group website.  I
> have been working on the topic net and themes with the intention of
> creating an Auto Filled Blog, but the widget and its splash page is
> pretty much the same thing.
>
> Dave
>
> On Jun 2, 2007, at 11:03 PM, Marty Haught wrote:
>
>> Hello Everyone,
>>
>> First, we have our June meeting scheduled for Wednesday the 20th at
>> 6:30pm.  We'll begin the meeting with a RailsConf 2007 reflection.
>> Several of us that attended the conference will present our thoughts
>> on the conference.  Any of you who attended are invited to come on up
>> to Boulder and share with us.  The second part of the meeting will be
>> a presentation on full text search from Ruby by Lee Marlow.
>> Collective Intellect will provide food as usual and we'll have a  
>> short
>> break between the talks for mingling.  It should be a good time so I
>> hope to see you all out there.
>>
>> Second, I have been working on a REAL website for the group.  It's
>> still in progress but I figured I'll release it to you all.  Look for
>> us to flesh out different sections of the site over the coming  
>> months.
>>  If you have any comments/feedback on the site or section/information
>> that is sorely lacking, please let either Tim or I know.  We'll still
>> post meeting announcements to the list but this site will hold all  
>> the
>> current information.  While we'll continue to use the RubyForge
>> project, please direct your web queries to the new site.  The url is
>> http://boulderruby.org.
>>
>> Finally, we're going to drop the Denver part of our name.  When I
>> decided to start this group back in 2005 there were no other
>> Ruby/Rails groups meeting in the area.  Our first meeting was
>> scheduled for the first week after the Pragmatic's RailsStudio in
>> Denver in January 2006.  Derailed formed from the group and they've
>> got Denver covered nicely.  It was also my ideal to have the group
>> meet between Boulder and Denver and while our initial meetings were
>> near Broomfield on Hwy 36, that didn't last long.  I don't foresee us
>> leaving Boulder anytime in the future so it seemed simpler to just be
>> the Boulder Ruby Group.  That's what we'll be from now on.  We, of
>> course, still welcome anyone from anywhere to come hang out with us.
>> We have members from all over the Front Range as well as some out of
>> state guests from time to time.  We're a friendly, laid-back group  
>> but
>> then again most of you already know that. ;)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Marty
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bdrg-members mailing list
>> Bdrg-members at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/bdrg-members
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bdrg-members mailing list
> Bdrg-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/bdrg-members


From ara.t.howard at gmail.com  Sun Jun  3 14:59:44 2007
From: ara.t.howard at gmail.com (ara.t.howard)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 12:59:44 -0600
Subject: [Boulder Ruby Group] BRG - June Meeting - Jun 20th
In-Reply-To: <F4A7C794-8610-4042-865A-AE5F534405B3@collectiveintellect.com>
References: <57f29e620706022203w669333achf80fca9a83cc721@mail.gmail.com>
	<CFE3FA34-82CF-491E-AC58-19ED61063081@collectiveintellect.com>
	<F4A7C794-8610-4042-865A-AE5F534405B3@collectiveintellect.com>
Message-ID: <3F14CA61-C946-46DA-A20A-9B2FAB21EC8C@gmail.com>


On Jun 3, 2007, at 8:26 AM, David Clements wrote:

> Oops.  Didn't mean to CC the group there.  I'll let you guys wonder
> what the "Widget" is for awhile.
> ;)
>
> Dave

rachelle told us all about it!


-a
--
we can deny everything, except that we have the possibility of being  
better. simply reflect on that.
h.h. the 14th dalai lama




From timrohde2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  4 11:04:27 2007
From: timrohde2000 at yahoo.com (Tim Rohde)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 09:04:27 -0600
Subject: [Boulder Ruby Group] Adhearsion - Jay Phillips
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1180841664.3712.bdrg-members@rubyforge.org>
References: <mailman.1.1180841664.3712.bdrg-members@rubyforge.org>
Message-ID: <CD56135B-1DBD-4682-B0E9-89425F058D62@yahoo.com>

Hey folks,

I've been talking with Jay Phillips (the Adhearsion guy). His job in  
Portland fell through. If there was ever a thought to supporting  
Adhearsion with a donation, now is the time. Also, he's looking for  
work (hopefully centered on Adhearsion). I've offered to be his host  
down hear for a few weeks starting later this month so there is a  
good chance he'll be in town!

I hope this post isn't inappropriate....

Thanks,


Tim Rohde
Home Office: 303-443-0449
Cell Phone:   310-592-6581
timrohde2000 at yahoo.com





From lisas at protechtraining.com  Fri Jun  8 07:25:51 2007
From: lisas at protechtraining.com (Lisa Stebbing)
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 06:25:51 -0500
Subject: [Boulder Ruby Group] Ruby on Rails TDD Bootcamp
Message-ID: <20070608113839.5D50C5240A62@rubyforge.org>

Good Morning-

I am an Account Manager with ProTech Training.  I am excited to 
announce that we've partnered with Obtiva (www.obtiva.com) to bring 
best of breed software development training to the Denver area.  The 
following classes are now available:

Ruby on Rails TDD Bootcamp, Sept 24-27
This 4-day intensive course takes students on a journey through a 
Ruby refresher, Ruby on Rails, Ajax, and Test-Driven Development. You 
will walk away with the knowledge and skills required to rapidly 
deliver high-quality Rails Web applications.

Agile Project Management, July 12-13
This course provides the missing link between Extreme Programming, 
and other developer-level agile practices, and the rigorous project 
management that is required to ensure project success. By using 
practical exercises and case studies, students will master agile 
project management tools and practices including the User Story, 
Iteration and Release Planning, Product Vision Box, Project Data 
Sheet, Unit and Acceptance Testing, and Value Stream Mapping.

Additional programs are available in Denver.  You can learn more 
about ProTech at www.protechtraining.com.  I am so very excited about 
our relationship with Obtiva, and bringing these classes to the 
Denver market, and truly want them to be successful.  Please feel 
free to share this information with other folks that might have an 
interest.  For additional information or to register for classes, 
please contact Lisa Stebbing at lstebbing at protechtraining.com or via 
phone at 800.373.9188, ext. 138.  Online registrations can also be 
accepted for Ruby at http://www.obtiva.com/index.php?page=rails_course.

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From mghaught at gmail.com  Tue Jun 19 10:05:48 2007
From: mghaught at gmail.com (Marty Haught)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:05:48 -0400
Subject: [Boulder Ruby Group] BRG - June Meeting - June 20th Reminder
Message-ID: <57f29e620706190705m644f1b69h9d08dde3912300a2@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Everyone,

Here's the friendly reminder about our June Boulder Ruby group
meeting.  We'll be meeting this Wednesday, the 20th, at 6:30pm in our
usual digs (directions below).   We'll begin the meeting with a
RailsConf 2007 reflection.  Several of us that attended the conference
will present our thoughts
on the conference.  We'll have a break for mingling and food before
starting the second half of the meeting.  Afterwards Lee Marlow will
do a presentation on full text search from Ruby.   I look forward to
seeing you all there.

Cheers,
Marty

Directions:
Collective Intellect
1414 Pearl St., Suite 200
Boulder, CO 80302

It is located on the East end of the walking mall above a store called
"Baby Doll" on the South side. The Collective Intellect name is on the
door of a stairway leading up to the office.

URL to google maps:
http://rubyurl.com/QO7

From ara.t.howard at gmail.com  Fri Jun 29 00:26:43 2007
From: ara.t.howard at gmail.com (ara.t.howard)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 22:26:43 -0600
Subject: [Boulder Ruby Group] rendering now!
Message-ID: <FE14BA75-A819-4BC1-817F-D11A03152E1B@gmail.com>


i hope i am doing something stupid and someone has a slicker way

   http://drawohara.tumblr.com/post/4517961

??

-a
--
we can deny everything, except that we have the possibility of being  
better. simply reflect on that.
h.h. the 14th dalai lama




From tony at clickcaster.com  Fri Jun 29 00:32:54 2007
From: tony at clickcaster.com (Tony Arcieri)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 22:32:54 -0600
Subject: [Boulder Ruby Group] rendering now!
In-Reply-To: <FE14BA75-A819-4BC1-817F-D11A03152E1B@gmail.com>
References: <FE14BA75-A819-4BC1-817F-D11A03152E1B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c7e6b2b00706282132k1f40363cn16306f4032a43cdb@mail.gmail.com>

Filters, which prevent the action from ever being executed in the
first place, are the typical solution to that problem (if I'm reading
it correctly)

-- 
Tony Arcieri
ClickCaster, Inc.

On 6/28/07, ara.t.howard <ara.t.howard at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> i hope i am doing something stupid and someone has a slicker way
>
>    http://drawohara.tumblr.com/post/4517961
>
> ??
>
> -a
> --
> we can deny everything, except that we have the possibility of being
> better. simply reflect on that.
> h.h. the 14th dalai lama
>
>
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From bruce at codefluency.com  Fri Jun 29 01:00:47 2007
From: bruce at codefluency.com (Bruce Williams)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 23:00:47 -0600
Subject: [Boulder Ruby Group] rendering now!
In-Reply-To: <c7e6b2b00706282132k1f40363cn16306f4032a43cdb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <FE14BA75-A819-4BC1-817F-D11A03152E1B@gmail.com>
	<c7e6b2b00706282132k1f40363cn16306f4032a43cdb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a2830e5b0706282200t5d202217rfb4a0aa3c300f742@mail.gmail.com>

I'd agree with Tony here, Ara.
Authentication is generally handled as a filter (vs explicitly calling it
from an action) -- lots of bonuses with doing it this way, since on a single
line (before_filter :authenticate :only => [:foo, :bar]) you can get a
bird's eye view of security within a controller, and it looks/feels better
[at least to me].

If you need to render a specific 'access denied' page, you should be able to
render and then return false from the filter, or do a redirection.

Cheers,
Bruce
--
Bruce Williams
http://codefluency.com

On 6/28/07, Tony Arcieri <tony at clickcaster.com> wrote:
>
> Filters, which prevent the action from ever being executed in the
> first place, are the typical solution to that problem (if I'm reading
> it correctly)
>
> --
> Tony Arcieri
> ClickCaster, Inc.
>
> On 6/28/07, ara.t.howard <ara.t.howard at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > i hope i am doing something stupid and someone has a slicker way
> >
> >    http://drawohara.tumblr.com/post/4517961
> >
> > ??
> >
> > -a
> > --
> > we can deny everything, except that we have the possibility of being
> > better. simply reflect on that.
> > h.h. the 14th dalai lama
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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From ara.t.howard at gmail.com  Fri Jun 29 01:07:52 2007
From: ara.t.howard at gmail.com (ara.t.howard)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 23:07:52 -0600
Subject: [Boulder Ruby Group] rendering now!
In-Reply-To: <a2830e5b0706282200t5d202217rfb4a0aa3c300f742@mail.gmail.com>
References: <FE14BA75-A819-4BC1-817F-D11A03152E1B@gmail.com>
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On Jun 28, 2007, at 11:00 PM, Bruce Williams wrote:

> I'd agree with Tony here, Ara.
>
> Authentication is generally handled as a filter (vs explicitly  
> calling it from an action) -- lots of bonuses with doing it this  
> way, since on a single line (before_filter :authenticate :only =>  
> [:foo, :bar]) you can get a bird's eye view of security within a  
> controller, and it looks/feels better [at least to me].
>

for the simple case i agree.  in fact this method was designed to be  
used in a filter.

> If you need to render a specific 'access denied' page, you should  
> be able to render and then return false from the filter, or do a  
> redirection.
>

which is exactly what i was doing...

more generally looking for a way to find a way to abstract bits of  
logic that might render and re-use them without resorting to testing  
return codes...


hope austin is treating you well!


-a
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From brian at heimidal.net  Fri Jun 29 01:32:37 2007
From: brian at heimidal.net (Brian Rose)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 23:32:37 -0600
Subject: [Boulder Ruby Group] rendering now!
In-Reply-To: <FE14BA75-A819-4BC1-817F-D11A03152E1B@gmail.com>
References: <FE14BA75-A819-4BC1-817F-D11A03152E1B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8d046e100706282232y2448b04au17c0764c44e73645@mail.gmail.com>

I might be misunderstanding, but if the problem is a double render, just
return the render:

before_filter :authenticate

def authenticate
  self.current_user ||= (session[:user] && User.find_by_id(session[:user]))
|| false
  return redirect_to(login_path) unless current_user
end

On 6/28/07, ara.t.howard <ara.t.howard at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> i hope i am doing something stupid and someone has a slicker way
>
>    http://drawohara.tumblr.com/post/4517961
>
> ??
>
> -a
> --
> we can deny everything, except that we have the possibility of being
> better. simply reflect on that.
> h.h. the 14th dalai lama
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bdrg-members mailing list
> Bdrg-members at rubyforge.org
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From ara.t.howard at gmail.com  Fri Jun 29 01:37:27 2007
From: ara.t.howard at gmail.com (ara.t.howard)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 23:37:27 -0600
Subject: [Boulder Ruby Group] rendering now!
In-Reply-To: <8d046e100706282232y2448b04au17c0764c44e73645@mail.gmail.com>
References: <FE14BA75-A819-4BC1-817F-D11A03152E1B@gmail.com>
	<8d046e100706282232y2448b04au17c0764c44e73645@mail.gmail.com>
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On Jun 28, 2007, at 11:32 PM, Brian Rose wrote:

> I might be misunderstanding, but if the problem is a double render,  
> just return the render:
>
>
> before_filter :authenticate
>
> def authenticate
>   self.current_user ||= (session[:user] && User.find_by_id(session 
> [:user])) || false
>   return redirect_to(login_path) unless current_user
> end


that's precisely how i ended up double rendering while testing my  
code ;-)

def action_that_needs_authentication
   authenticate
   render
end


cheers.

-a
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From bruce at codefluency.com  Fri Jun 29 02:13:52 2007
From: bruce at codefluency.com (Bruce Williams)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 00:13:52 -0600
Subject: [Boulder Ruby Group] rendering now!
In-Reply-To: <BDB891D8-3634-4540-91FF-1670980E42C3@gmail.com>
References: <FE14BA75-A819-4BC1-817F-D11A03152E1B@gmail.com>
	<8d046e100706282232y2448b04au17c0764c44e73645@mail.gmail.com>
	<BDB891D8-3634-4540-91FF-1670980E42C3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a2830e5b0706282313m6be07b6q436e41b8595e746@mail.gmail.com>

Ara,
The filter needs to return false to stop the action dispatch.

Here's a working example (just played with it):

--snip--
class FoosController < ApplicationController

  before_filter :authenticate

  def index
    # won't get here
  end

  #######
  private
  #######

  def can_find_account # stub, use some method that's useful
    return false
  end

  def authenticate
    unless can_find_account
      render :template => 'shared/access_denied'
      return false
    end
  end

end
--snip--

I generally like rendering directly vs redirection in these cases.

Cheers,
Bruce
---
Bruce Williams
http://codefluency.com

On 6/28/07, ara.t.howard <ara.t.howard at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Jun 28, 2007, at 11:32 PM, Brian Rose wrote:
>
> I might be misunderstanding, but if the problem is a double render, just
> return the render:
>
> before_filter :authenticate
>
>
> def authenticate
>   self.current_user ||= (session[:user] && User.find_by_id(session[:user]))
> || false
>   return redirect_to(login_path) unless current_user
> end
>
>
>
>
>
> that's precisely how i ended up double rendering while testing my code ;-)
>
>
> def action_that_needs_authentication
>   authenticate
>   render
> end
>
>
>
>
> cheers.
>
>
>   -a
> --
> we can deny everything, except that we have the possibility of being
> better. simply reflect on that.
> h.h. the 14th dalai lama
>
>
>
>
>
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From ara.t.howard at gmail.com  Fri Jun 29 02:35:53 2007
From: ara.t.howard at gmail.com (ara.t.howard)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 00:35:53 -0600
Subject: [Boulder Ruby Group] rendering now!
In-Reply-To: <a2830e5b0706282313m6be07b6q436e41b8595e746@mail.gmail.com>
References: <FE14BA75-A819-4BC1-817F-D11A03152E1B@gmail.com>
	<8d046e100706282232y2448b04au17c0764c44e73645@mail.gmail.com>
	<BDB891D8-3634-4540-91FF-1670980E42C3@gmail.com>
	<a2830e5b0706282313m6be07b6q436e41b8595e746@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F78DE5B7-B6D8-400A-A813-FF90C3551763@gmail.com>


On Jun 29, 2007, at 12:13 AM, Bruce Williams wrote:

> Ara,
>
> The filter needs to return false to stop the action dispatch.
>
> Here's a working example (just played with it):
>
> --snip--
> class FoosController < ApplicationController
>
>   before_filter :authenticate
>
>   def index
>     # won't get here
>   end
>
>   #######
>   private
>   #######
>
>   def can_find_account # stub, use some method that's useful
>     return false
>   end
>
>   def authenticate
>     unless can_find_account
>       render :template => 'shared/access_denied'
>       return false
>     end
>   end
>
> end
> --snip--
>

cool - the return false was the key.

> I generally like rendering directly vs redirection in these cases.

yeah - that's totally where i'm at too.

thanks a bunch!

-a
--
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better. simply reflect on that.
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From tony at clickcaster.com  Sat Jun 30 01:54:10 2007
From: tony at clickcaster.com (Tony Arcieri)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 23:54:10 -0600
Subject: [Boulder Ruby Group] Anyone else see this?
Message-ID: <c7e6b2b00706292254o18ab56a2j564f52eb62183140@mail.gmail.com>

http://m.onkey.org/2007/6/30/let-s-start-with-wtf

Just did my own little test...

~$ irb -rbenchmark -rubygems -ractive_support
>> class Fixnum; def timestwo; self * 2; end; end
=> nil
>> puts Benchmark.measure { (1..10000000).map { |n| n.timestwo } }
 13.570000   0.100000  13.670000 ( 13.795564)
=> nil
>> puts Benchmark.measure { (1..10000000).map(&:timestwo) }
 48.370000   0.080000  48.450000 ( 48.517666)
=> nil

Yikes

-- 
Tony Arcieri
ClickCaster, Inc.
tony at clickcaster.com
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From bruce at codefluency.com  Sat Jun 30 02:15:21 2007
From: bruce at codefluency.com (Bruce Williams)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 00:15:21 -0600
Subject: [Boulder Ruby Group] Anyone else see this?
In-Reply-To: <c7e6b2b00706292254o18ab56a2j564f52eb62183140@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c7e6b2b00706292254o18ab56a2j564f52eb62183140@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a2830e5b0706292315h769c1d9aucf59e15d3d9249d4@mail.gmail.com>

Tony,

Oh, yeah, definitely seen that before.  Array#shift, etc in
ActiveSupport's Symbol#to_proc definitely seems to hurt for something
of this scale.  I'm really looking forward to the native support we'll
see with 1.9.

Bruce

On 6/29/07, Tony Arcieri <tony at clickcaster.com> wrote:
> http://m.onkey.org/2007/6/30/let-s-start-with-wtf
>
> Just did my own little test...
>
> ~$ irb -rbenchmark -rubygems -ractive_support
> >> class Fixnum; def timestwo; self * 2; end; end
> => nil
> >> puts Benchmark.measure { (1..10000000).map { |n| n.timestwo } }
>  13.570000   0.100000  13.670000 ( 13.795564)
> => nil
> >> puts Benchmark.measure { (1..10000000).map(&:timestwo) }
>  48.370000   0.080000  48.450000 ( 48.517666)
> => nil
>
> Yikes
>
> --
> Tony Arcieri
> ClickCaster, Inc.
> tony at clickcaster.com
> _______________________________________________
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From ara.t.howard at gmail.com  Sat Jun 30 02:42:12 2007
From: ara.t.howard at gmail.com (ara.t.howard)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 00:42:12 -0600
Subject: [Boulder Ruby Group] Anyone else see this?
In-Reply-To: <c7e6b2b00706292254o18ab56a2j564f52eb62183140@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c7e6b2b00706292254o18ab56a2j564f52eb62183140@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F99842C6-9DF9-4B4B-8505-73DFFA23381E@gmail.com>


On Jun 29, 2007, at 11:54 PM, Tony Arcieri wrote:

> http://m.onkey.org/2007/6/30/let-s-start-with-wtf
>
> Just did my own little test...
>
> ~$ irb -rbenchmark -rubygems -ractive_support
> >> class Fixnum; def timestwo; self * 2; end; end
> => nil
> >> puts Benchmark.measure { (1..10000000).map { |n| n.timestwo } }
>  13.570000   0.100000  13.670000 ( 13.795564)
> => nil
> >> puts Benchmark.measure { (1..10000000).map(&:timestwo) }
>  48.370000   0.080000  48.450000 ( 48.517666)
> => nil
>
> Yikes
>
> --  
> Tony Arcieri
> ClickCaster, Inc.
> tony at clickcaster.com
> _______________________________________________
> Bdrg-members mailing list
> Bdrg-members at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/bdrg-members


less capable.

cfp:~ > cat a.rb
require 'benchmark'

class Symbol
   def to_proc
     lambda{|obj| obj.send self}
   end
end

n = 10000

s = Struct.new :id
messages = []
n.times { messages << s.new(:id => rand(n)) }

Benchmark.bm do |x|
   # Integer
   x.report { n.times { messages.map{|m| m.id} } }
   x.report { n.times { messages.map(&:id) } }
end

cfp:~ > ruby a.rb
       user     system      total        real
31.160000   1.200000  32.360000 ( 33.135435)
40.640000   1.380000  42.020000 ( 43.270193)



-a
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From bothari at gmail.com  Sat Jun 30 10:08:44 2007
From: bothari at gmail.com (Bothari)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 09:08:44 -0500
Subject: [Boulder Ruby Group] Resume - Joe Fair
Message-ID: <c09158680706300708o655e4eft9e30a0626b593fd6@mail.gmail.com>

Group,

My name is Joe Fair, and I am a software developer with 10 years
experience.  Most of that time has been doing Java for Solaris with
Oracle.  I have been working with Ruby for the last year and a half.
I went to the first Rails Studio in Denver, and later I wrote a book
about using Ruby and PayPal.
(http://pragmaticprogrammer.com/titles/jfpaypal/index.html)

I would like to find a position where I can develop in Ruby full time.
 However, I have high standards for my next position.  I want to work
where I can be challenged to be a better software engineer.  I want to
work with people who know about, and use, unit testing, software
process, and design patterns.  I want to work on software I can be
passionate about, not embarrassed about.

If this sounds like a good fit for your team, please let me know.

Thanks,
Joe
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From ara.t.howard at gmail.com  Sat Jun 30 11:43:46 2007
From: ara.t.howard at gmail.com (ara.t.howard)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 09:43:46 -0600
Subject: [Boulder Ruby Group] rendering now!
In-Reply-To: <a2830e5b0706282313m6be07b6q436e41b8595e746@mail.gmail.com>
References: <FE14BA75-A819-4BC1-817F-D11A03152E1B@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CC5FA0CD-B9DD-4E20-B33E-BE9878FDF6D7@gmail.com>


On Jun 29, 2007, at 12:13 AM, Bruce Williams wrote:

> Ara,
>
> The filter needs to return false to stop the action dispatch.
>
> Here's a working example (just played with it):

<snip>

the summary:

http://drawohara.tumblr.com/post/4627267

cheers.

-a
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better. simply reflect on that.
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From bruce at codefluency.com  Sat Jun 30 12:01:21 2007
From: bruce at codefluency.com (Bruce Williams)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 10:01:21 -0600
Subject: [Boulder Ruby Group] rendering now!
In-Reply-To: <CC5FA0CD-B9DD-4E20-B33E-BE9878FDF6D7@gmail.com>
References: <FE14BA75-A819-4BC1-817F-D11A03152E1B@gmail.com>
	<8d046e100706282232y2448b04au17c0764c44e73645@mail.gmail.com>
	<BDB891D8-3634-4540-91FF-1670980E42C3@gmail.com>
	<a2830e5b0706282313m6be07b6q436e41b8595e746@mail.gmail.com>
	<CC5FA0CD-B9DD-4E20-B33E-BE9878FDF6D7@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a2830e5b0706300901g542ea36ah5573fdec2c6b40a5@mail.gmail.com>

Ara,

Nice writeup.

I agree that something like render! would be useful in edge cases (I
hit double renders once in a very big blue moon) -- but in this case,
with all respects to your DRY skills and to Doug's opinions, I still
hold a filter is the best approach to the problem, and is surely
cleaner.

As to Doug's second issue; it's not something I've ever encountered in
my memory -- and since both of us have been using Rails for a "long
time" (as these things are measured), that's probably simply because
we approach problems differently.

In fact, I rarely need to render two different templates for an
action, though your authentication example is an exception.

Cheers,
Bruce


On 6/30/07, ara.t.howard <ara.t.howard at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Jun 29, 2007, at 12:13 AM, Bruce Williams wrote:
> Ara,
>
> The filter needs to return false to stop the action dispatch.
>
> Here's a working example (just played with it):
>
> <snip>
>
> the summary:
>
> http://drawohara.tumblr.com/post/4627267
>
> cheers.
>
> -a
> --
> we can deny everything, except that we have the possibility of being better.
> simply reflect on that.
> h.h. the 14th dalai lama
>
>
>
>


-- 
---
Bruce Williams
http://codefluency.com

From shackletj at yahoo.com  Sat Jun 30 14:10:50 2007
From: shackletj at yahoo.com (Justin Shacklette)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 11:10:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Boulder Ruby Group] Boulder hosting
In-Reply-To: <a2830e5b0706300901g542ea36ah5573fdec2c6b40a5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <938788.89531.qm@web32910.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Rubists,

Can anyone recommend a quality Boulder area hosting company that knows
what's up and can host both Ruby and PHP?  I'd like to have options
from a vanilla $9.99 package to managed hosting on a dedicated server. 
Denver area is okay too, but Boulder is preferred.

-Justin


 
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